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Scopes - Schmidt & Bender:


anyone have an oppinion on the Schmidt & Bender police tactical scopes? top quality optics? etched reticles? thanks
Rich <dick2@clarkston.com>
WA USA - Tuesday, December 08, 1998 at 20:55:53 (EST) 



called Schnidt & Bender today, their new police marksman will be a 3-12 with a 34mm tube. The BDC will go 100-1000 in one revolution with 1/4 minute clicks. The paralax adjustment will be added to the side. There will be two elevation knobs, one for the .308/168 and one with 1/4 minute graduations. Projected retail is around $1400 USd. This sounds like an excelent scope but I would like to hear oppinions on Schmidt & Bender products. thanks
Rich <dick2@clarkston.com>
WA USA - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 14:43:59 (EST) 

RIch - Schmidt Bender stuff is very good but $1200.00? Consider giving to the Gooch Fund. Does it come with mildots? Do you want them? If this is an issue, you won't be able to get mildots put in it here in the states. Premier wouldn't touch one when I talked to them last. Who does thier warrenty work? 1/4 moa is redundent in a tactical scope. You can fart and hit the Leupold factory where you live. Not telling you to do are not to do anything, just playing the devils adversary.

Gooch out.
gooch <gooch@stormmountain.com>
USA - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 15:20:34 (EST) 



To Rich, re. Schmidt & Bender scopes.

I've used S&B sniperscopes for years. They are exellent.

The Norwegian Army use S&B 6X42 with Simrad NVD as standard equipment. I use the same S&B 6X42 Sniperscope on my huntingrifle. I've also experience with S&B 10X42 and a couple of special S&B's for the G3, a 4X20 and a 1,5-6X42.

All scopes have one-turn elevationturrets from 1-600m or 1-800m with 50m clicks above 300m. All cams are for 7,62 147gr ammo. We don't use special sniperammo. Regular Raufoss 147gr ammo, even linked, will shoot 1moa or less in a regular G3 in good condition. (No conversion to 5.56NATO until at least 2015.)

If S&B make mildot reticles for the new variable scopes the reticle can be used for ranging at all powersettings. S&B puts the reticle in the forward focalplane. This also eliminates POI-change across the powerrange.

Warranty from S&B is similar to Leupold. I sent them a battered 6X42 (in a Leupold box...) that fogged up. I think they stripped it completely and put the original tube through the regular productionline. Everything was new, lenses, turrets, etc. Turnaroundtime was 8 weeks.

TorF
Oslo, Norway - Thursday, December 10, 1998 at 08:11:17 (EST) 



TorF, thanks for the info. The new scopes, will be set up for 168s and do have mil-dots. I guess the older models (in the US anyhow) went to 500 with 1/4 clicks or 1000 with 1 minute clicks. What I like about the 1/4 click BDC combo is that it adds a fair bit of versatility in a single scope.

Rich <dick2@clarkston.com>
WA USA - Thursday, December 10, 1998 at 16:01:38 (EST) 



Schmidt&Bender ZF 3-12x50 Military
This scope is very rough. It has excellent optic performance and wide field of view. When you have it in your hand you "feel" its quality. It comes with several reticles (i.e Mil-Dot). It has large target knobs and has enough elevation to go for 1000m with .308 Caliber. It has 34mm tube. Friend of mine ownes one and I tested it as well. This scope is standard on the British Artic Warfare Rifle in the British Military. I own a Leupold Ultra Mark IV 10X but the performance is not as good as the Schmidt&Bender's.
As I know Schmidt&Bender is going to build up their scope to 3-16x50 with parallax-setting. It should be released at the beginning of 1999 (top secret!!).
If it's worth the few dollar's more? --- I would say yes, all times.

Regards
Frank
Frank Henn <henn@verw.uni-kl.de>
Kaiserslautern, Rheinland-PF. Germany - Monday, December 21, 1998 at 07:15:19 (EST) 



Frank - You Germans are sure proud of your optics aren't you? Don't blame you. We had a G3SG-1 at Quantico that had a 1.6x6 SB (or maybe it was a Zeiss) on it. It was a good piece of gear. There are two problems with the SB's though. First one is the cost. I believe we are talking almost 1500.00 dollars from what I've seen on here, where a M3 LR is less than 600.00. Second is getting work done in the event the shooter has a booboo. With a Leupold I can ship it to either Premier reticle or back to the factory. With a SB I think we are talking about sending it back to the Fatherland for work.

gooch <gooch@stormmountain.com>
USA - Monday, December 21, 1998 at 19:53:48 (EST) 



Frank Henn: I can appreciate your love for Schmidt und Bender rifle scopes, however, if you have a need for only a 10X, look at the Bausch and Lomb tactical. I'm snot sure what the exchange rate is between the Am. dollar and the German Deutsch Marke, but here in the US we save about 500 to 700 dollars buying a Leopold or B&L over the overpriced Swarovskis, Schmidt and Bender, Zeiss, etc. They are exceptional scopes and I have tried all of them at one time or another, but . . .

Al Ostapowicz <aaostapowicz@worldnet.att.net>
Gonna Have White Christmas here in the Winter Wonderland of , Ohio USA - Monday, December 21, 1998 at 21:37:39 (EST) 



Re: German Optics
Gooch, AL: The following statements should only refer to the top of the line scopes from the worldwide manufacturers. I agree with what you've said about pricing. I don't know why the german scopes are so expensive in USA. I think it among other reasons is because of duty (only few were produced in USA). But that's the way life is. We here in Germany have to pay over 1500$ for a ULTRA Mk IV.
But one thing is fact, the optic performance of very best german (ZEISS, Schmidt&Bender) and austrian (SWAROWSKI, KAHLES) military scopes is better than those of the other manufacturers. They are like jewells and are expensive. Is it worth it? Is it worth spending
3000$+ on a custom rifle (ROBAR, MCBros etc.) instead of buying a Savage or Rem700 Police? That's always the same question...

Service should be provided for Schmidt&Bender in Meriden, NH. They advertise in Precision Shooting Magazine. ZEISS (Hensold) produces in USA for several years. So that it would be no problem.

But I don't want to put so much honor on the German/Austrian manufacturers. For years they were not able to produce a scope that has target turrets and elevation to shoot over 600m with .308 Caliber (Standard NATO). Overmore their reticles were good enough for hunting bears at 100m but not to shoot at small targets. That's why I bought my Leupold. But things have changed.
Frank Henn <henn@verw.uni-kl.de>
Germany - Tuesday, December 22, 1998 at 05:09:58 (EST) 



To Frank Henn, re. European sniperscopes:

S&B 6X and 10X42 sniperscopes have turrets to 800m with regular 7.62NATO ammo. The same goes for Khales ZF69. I have been using the S&B's for years.

TorF
Oslo, Norway - Tuesday, December 22, 1998 at 08:14:38 (EST) 


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