High Power type competitions:
Another quick question for the list:
Is there a form of high power rifle competition that a sniper rifle
could be used in? Closest thing I've found is Service rifle competition
with an M1A Supermatch, but how about something for a scoped bolt gun?
Ft. Meade, MD USA - Monday, November 23, 1998 at 10:41:24 (EST)
I'am sorry I got your answer mixed up with Will's. There are several shoot's across the country for "Sniper" type rifle's. There called Tactical Rifle course's. They are starting to pick up in popularity and some even feel they may be the next Sporting Clays or Cow Boy action shooting event's. I went to one in Wyoming last year and it was a blast, but a real "Ball Buster". They are not all as Physical as that one and each course varies with the area and the person putting it on. I hope to try to get to a few more next year if all work's out. Hope this answer's your question sorry about the mix up.
USA - Monday, November 23, 1998 at 12:10:58 (EST)
There is one match in HighPower that allows scoped rifles, The Wimbledon cup. I am not sure if the Palma matches are shot both open and any sight strings. The Wimbledon cup is a 1000 yard prone match that can regularly go to shootoffs to decide. Michelle Ghallager won this years match at Camp perry with a 100-5X in the shoot off. those that made the shootoffs shot cleans (200 possible) and a handful of X's to qualify. (see NRA November Shooting Sports or maybe the American Rifleman)
As far as "local competitions", contact the state rifle and pistol association where you live, they can put you in contact with those who run matches. Here in Pennsylvania, we hold three to four 1000yd matches per year (that I am aware of). Two twenty shot strings, one Iron sight and one any sight. Also, many of the hardcore Pa. shooters will contact the Ohio Rifle and Pistol Assoc. for their Highpower schedule. They hold several different matches at Camp Perry throughout the year.
steve uhall <email@example.com>
South West , Pa USA - Monday, November 23, 1998 at 16:47:48 (EST)
Re: Wimbledon and Palma Matches
The Palma is iron sight only. The Wimbledon always has a shoot off. The winner of each of the five relays is in the shoot off. This evens out weather inconsistencies throughout the day.
There is some talk of the newer F-class. This will be long range with scopes and artificial support (i.e., bipod, etc). I know it is shot in Canada and informally in the U.S. Perhaps another shooter can elaborate.
Ron N. <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Buckeye; worthless nut USA - Monday, November 23, 1998 at 21:20:11 (EST)
Ref long range scoped rifle target shooting:
The Dominion of Canada Rifle Association was the first of the world-wide shooting associations to introduce an any rifle-any sights class. Old George Farquharson, who I am proud to say I met before his departure to the 1000yd line in the sky, kept telling shooters that there had to be a class for people whose eyes and elbows had abandonned them, but who still could shoot and wanted to compete. At first it was dismissed as an old duffer's category. However, F-Class has evolved into an all-out equipment race amongst very good shooters, but there is not buying bullseyes in the wind. The old (and less-than competitive) shooters are still able to win the odd match, but are usually not consistent enough to win the whole match.
The 1998 Canadian Nationals champ was a German and the runners up were Americans. The Canadians challenge every year, but keep making mental mistakes. The target is the standard 300 to 1000yd round bullseyes. The one limitation at the Nationals in Ottawa, is the 6.5 X 284 maxs out the danger area, and has to be downloaded to keep it legal for the range. The same F-Class rifles OK for the Canadian UIT 300meter match if you want to try a 120 shot match.
Contact the DCRA, NRA of America, NRA of GB, NRA of Australia and NRA of NZ for match info. There are websites for all of these.
Terry Warner <email@example.com>
Canada - Tuesday, November 24, 1998 at 00:36:25 (EST)
I've only shot in four matches thus far. All have been w/ scoped boltgun off of a support(sandbag or bipod). This has been twice at Ft. Benning (call it a tactical match), once on a card carryin NRA range. This was 600 yd prone. I used scoped bolt gun on sandbag. Once last Oct. on a private farm: 600, 800, and 1000yds. Again, scoped, off of a bench(big support). The above is my complete "competition" history. A newbie, to be sure. None of these require a shooting jacket. Some of the competitors did do it "sanctioned highpower" style with jacket, sling etc. Not me. I shot my wannabe sniper rifle off sand bags to see if I could hit the target. I was in F class. They called it Fun class. Don't think my scores really counted. The experience was more than worth it. Just another example (like the SC website) where others experience and the actual doing was informative and exciting. My only question at the end is, "when's the next match?"
So, Jim, there may be a structured F-class competition in diff. parts of the country, but for myself, the expierence so far is just finding matches that will allow tactical style shooting, and not a required structural format. My interest is skill development with my sniper rifle. I do compete in the sense that I take the shooting seriously, and there's a certain rush of adrenalin, and espirit de corps feeling that I've been able to get to some extent each time. These things are very valuable, as well.
Well, this probably has very little to do with your inquiry about matches, but I put this response together during a couple of breaks from what has been hectic computer training. Reeeeaall hectic...
Anyway, time to go...
Jeff A. <firstname.lastname@example.org>
downtown, Atlanta, Ga. USA - Tuesday, November 24, 1998 at 17:42:02 (EST)
RE: Long - range shooting matches
If someone is looking for a great place to learn 1,000 yard shooting skills, check out the Original Pennsylvania 1,000 Yard Bench Rest Club, Inc., located in Bodines, PA, which is north of Williamsport in Lycoming county.
These folks have included an 11 pound rifle classification in their
bi-weekly shoots, which means your rifle may not weigh more than 11 pounds
totally tricked out. This class shoots for score only, and you do not have
to keep all ten shots on paper to receive a score. I shoot a stock Sendero,
but off the shelf equipment is NOT the norm, even for the 11 pound class.
I am not there to impress anyone, I am only there to learn long range shooting
by observing and competing against the best. This type of shooting is not
pure "sniper" training per se, but it sure is a chance to shoot with (and
against) the best civilian long range shooters around. There is no camo
to be seen on the line (usually), and all ages and genders participate.
One of the top shooting groups is a husband, wife, and their 12 year old
son! As one would expect, you will find all personality types, from the
very friendly and helpful to the earnest, serious, rather self-absorbed
types who don't really mingle much. If you want to learn how to dope wind
and other atmospheric conditions that affect the long-range shot, by all
means, check this club out. They are the oldest, and they are very, very
good at what they do.
PA USA - Tuesday, November 24, 1998 at 19:22:16 (EST)
RE: 1,000 yard shooting at Bodines, PA
The 11 pound matches are held over the course of a 10 - match season that starts in early May. Three classes of rifles are shot at each match. On Saturday, the 11 pound and 16.5 pound rifles are shot, and on Sunday the unlimited rifles are shot. The unlimited class is by far the most heavily attended match, with upwards of 110-120 shooters at each match. Anywhere from 40 - 60 shooters will shoot in the 16.5 class match, and an average of 10 - 12 shooters will compete in the 11 pound class. As stated previously, these matches are held every other week from May through early November. The club also has a World Class Shoot held in the middle of July, and a banquet shoot at the end of the season. The primary shooting stance is from the bench, however, I believe, but I am not 100% sure, that club rules allow shooting from the prone. The club has a place on the web under some benchrest website. See that site and make your contacts from there, if you need more information. Hope this information helps.
PA USA - Wednesday, November 25, 1998 at 17:06:29 (EST)
Scott--What calibers are working down there(Bodines)? When I attended the ANY/ANY matches the 6.5/284 was dominating. These matches are held monthly and they coincide with the Keystone Highpower league. I shoot the HP league and am considering the ANY/ANY for next season. I recall several 300 Win Mags too. I played with the 308 Win at the 1000 but died against the big boys. Still, it was fun! Ding
USA - Wednesday, November 25, 1998 at 18:03:02 (EST)
In the 11 pound class, .300 Winchester Magnum is what the majority of competitors seem to shoot, however, that 6.5 thing you mention turns up, too. I heard once that the 11 pound class was originally designed with the Sendero in mind, due to the fact that there are also stock dimension restrictions in the 11 pound class, as well as in the 16.5 pound class. I heard the stock measurements for the 11 pounders were based on a Sendero, but again, this is only heresay. Once you move up to the 16.5 pound guns, most of the calibers are wildcats. There are a few gun builders whose products seem to do consistently well in the 16.5 pound class. I was not aware of the Keystone HighPower League, but that sounds pretty interesting. I have done some DCM familiarization shooting with a Garand. Is there any connection between the DCM guys and the HighPower League?
PA USA - Wednesday, November 25, 1998 at 19:10:12 (EST)
Scott--The highpower league and DCM league are one in the same. They shoot standard NRA Highpower once a month at Bodines. It falls on a Sunday. The Saturday prior to the Sunday league match is usually a 1000yd prone match. 30minutes unlimited sighters with 20rds for record within the 30mins. All rds fired from the prone.
Bodines offers both rifles and ammo for Garand shooters. Most shooters bring their own AR or M1A. I squad with the Navy team when I can. Turn out varies between 25-50 shooters. We shoot 200/300/600 across the course. With the Bodines winds it is very challenging. After shooting there for several years I have even greater respect that the 1000yd record was shot there. Bodines rules--shoot as soon as the target appears and try to avoid the wind shift.
If you are interested I can provide the phone # for the league director. He can put you on his mailing list for May 99.
USA - Wednesday, November 25, 1998 at 19:59:52 (EST)
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