February 06, 2000 to February 14, 2000

BTW, I have reversed the snubbing that I did to the SA scopes since 'Lito let me in on the fact that the lenses come from the same place that Leupolds do.

'Lito: ah, NY. That explains it. Only some place like that can take a really good pistol like the Glock, and screw it up with a trigger designed to make shooting it more difficult. If they want safer pistols without proper training, just plug the barrels and don't issue ammo :-)
You should see how my groups improved since I dropped a 3.5# connector I coated with Molybdenum disulfide in there!
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
Cedar City, Utah, USA - Sunday, February 06, 2000 at 00:38:12 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.144)

Dee, I will try hard to get things together for Mudville in March.

Jeff, regarding your M40A1 from TBA, I sent them (TBA) email and so far have been ignored. I won't bother them again. I have emailed Jerry Rice and recieved a response within 24 hours, so tell me who do you want to build your rifle? Someone that takes care of small details or someone that will ignore you.
Good Shooting All
Frank
FRANK <kubikari@goplay.com>
Port Awful , OreGUN, USA - Sunday, February 06, 2000 at 01:29:00 (ZULU) (your host address: 204.214.119.38)

I have the 4x14-56 on a M21 for the spotter's matches at West Point Academy, where targets scores are divided by time... and no disrespect ment, UnDude... but there's nothing that'll keep up with it... and should my part of the world go crappy-bad like East LA in '91, it's the rig I would grab.

Pablito.
 

Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Sunday, February 06, 2000 at 01:33:20 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.249.180.136)

While I could (and do) bitch about the tardy delivery, I never had a problem contacting Mike Lau via telephone. I figured out long ago that his website on Shooters hasn't been updated in a very long time and I don't know that he even gets the emails from the link there anymore. If you want to contact Mike, I would suggest that email is most definitely not the route to try.

On the other hand, the other day I saw that IBA finally has their site up, and it looks much better than most.

Ironically, after waiting something like 18 months for my rifle, I now have to suffer the California 10-day waiting period on top of it. Talk about your pointless blankety-blank laws! And to make it more ironic still, that makes my pickup day 2/14: Valentine's Day. I'll take that as a good sign, and I may need to follow Colonel Cooper's lead and name this rifle "sweetheart." :)

Dave <dave@broadsword.com>
San Jose, CA, USA - Sunday, February 06, 2000 at 02:23:08 (ZULU) (your host address: 204.156.152.47)

Just got signed off on two more BATF Form 4's. One suppressor in 30 cal. and one for the 223's. My question is this. What are my limitations in regards to modifying barrels (when I legally can own the suppressors)? I have a pre-ban Stoner SR25 and am building a long range 300 WinMag. Also have numerous AR's for the 223 suppressor.

Another question is "What is the shortest recommended barrel lenth for the 300 WinMag (can I do 18"ers like the 308's)?

Thanks in advance for all the help!

Bill
Bill Ferris <ferrisb@volvo.com>
Austin, Texas, USA - Sunday, February 06, 2000 at 04:14:35 (ZULU) (your host address: 204.235.196.33)

Jerry hasn't paid me, and in fact we strongly dissagree on glass bedding, and I'll tell you, he builds one hell'ova rifle.

Pablito.
 

Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Sunday, February 06, 2000 at 12:19:26 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.249.180.123)

Has anyone heard about Remington's plan to discontinue the DM models? Specifically, the PSS DM's.

Is there a kit that converts the hinged floor plate into a DM?
 

"Disperse ye rebels! Lay down your arms!"
Maj. John Pitcairn, Royal Marines
North Bridge, Concord
April 19,1775

History country?

Excuse the lesson, just finished reading about what happened to the signers of the Constitution.
Thanks for any info.
Paul D <avos@pickletree.com>
USA - Sunday, February 06, 2000 at 12:29:49 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.186.125.23)

When I ordered my PSS from Precision Arms, I was told by Jerry Sloan that the DM's were being discontinued. I say good riddance!

Jim Colborn:

Have you received either of my e-mails about the Leupolds W/M3's?

Bullpup <blackstratguy@excite.com>
Rochester, NH, USA - Sunday, February 06, 2000 at 14:48:04 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.6.138.241)

I think you will be very, very happy when you get your rifle from Jerry. I should be getting mine this month and I can't wait! I have shot Mike M.'s and it is mighty nice. Besides all the craftsmanship that goes into the rifle, Jerry is just a nice guy to deal with who has been around the block and know what it takes to make a rifle shoot! I don't mean to sound like a commercial, but he is also a perfectionist that makes certain that everything is just right on the rifle.

Michael
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
San, Jose, USA - Sunday, February 06, 2000 at 15:36:04 (ZULU) (your host address: 63.192.208.6)

Re: Remington triggers

There is a picture located at http://www.recguns.com/IIID2a18a.html. This is on the rec.guns FAQ and might help. Looks similar to your article with a picture.

Pat T.
Pat T <ptidwell@home.com>
Ca, USA - Sunday, February 06, 2000 at 15:47:02 (ZULU) (your host address: 24.0.195.244)

I used to use a M2 Ultra and loved it until the light faded and with the faded light my reticle went away. Khales has the same problem and both are better than the Springfield. As I said before the Springfield is a good concept but a poor follow through. My friend no disrespect taken or intended either. We just dont agree.

Frank, Jerry does not pay anyone to push his product. Jerry is a retired guy that has made a life of making the best rifles he can. He wont do something you ask for if he thinks it will not help the rifles ability. Just ask him about certain firing pins and look out LOL. He calls it as he sees it and will share his lifetime of knowledge with you. Many Gunsmiths have made weapons for me over the last twenty years, but I have become friends with very few. I dont become friends with BS'rs, crooks or blowhards. Jerry is a friend! Do yourself a favor and talk him into making you a rifle.
MikeM <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Sunday, February 06, 2000 at 17:50:12 (ZULU) (your host address: 205.188.200.37)

"Bolt,

Don't disagree with you often, but......

The rings in question are tightened to the scope FIRST, then clamped to the
bases by two through-bolts, after the bases are tightened to the rail
mount. Everything stays in alignment, and this ingenious system allows you
to crank up a generous amount of elevation, thus eliminating the need for a
tapered base."
 
 

"I called Leupold last year when I got the Mk4 rings and base, Badger
Ordnance was out, and the engineer I spoke to adamantly suggested never lap
the Mk4 rings as they loose those nice grip rings built into them. Any idea
if practical field work says otherwise?"
 
 

Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Sunday, February 06, 2000 at 22:59:18 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.138.184.113)

"those nice grip rings built into them"... BS!

Those nice built in grip rings are rough tool marks from rough work.
If it takes 1000 pounds of force to hold the tube, and there is 10% of the ring gripping the tube (because of those nice tool marks), then you need ten times the force on the rings to keep the scope from slipping, and those nice fings can leave "Nice ring marks" on the tube.
If the rings are lapped, the grip is so high, that it's hard to move the scope in the rings even before the screws are tightened.

P.S... I found a crankshaft shop that took .01 off of my lapping bar, and now I wrap oiled emory paper on the bar, and it takes 20 minutes to do the bottom AND tops of a set of MK4's... eat your heart out!

Pablito.
 

Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Sunday, February 06, 2000 at 23:59:46 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.249.180.100)

Badger and Leupold may not want you to lap the rings but, try this test. Get some baby butt powder and rub all around your scope tube where they will mount into the rings. Put the scope in the rings and tighten them up just to where you can bearly turn it. Pull the scope out and see where the powder rubbed off on the rings. If you don't have adequate support, get them laps out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 00:38:34 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.138.184.113)

Bolt <reeldoctor@mnindspring.com>
USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 00:40:53 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.138.184.113)

Question:
When using a semi like an M14 in the sniper mode, how do you stop the empties from giving your postion away when they come lying out? Also, do you blacken the cases of your ammo?
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 00:51:18 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.138.184.113)

Northern Kalifornia shooters, we had a record turnout at the Sacramento Valley Shooting Center 'Long Range Tactical' match today. 26 guys, (no women this time, because they all heard that Kenya Sheutte would not make it because of the flu, hence no incentive to attend), and nearly ideal weather. Mr. Dee Turner won the match with an excellent 304/360, which ties for the third highest score ever shot at the match. Dee was using a .260 Rem. VLS, which apparently has been charmed by a local shaman, as it did WAY better this time than in December. Plus, that same shaman gave us a fine, clear day, not pea soup like January. Dan Schmidt provided all of us a complimentary "Tac Wet Pac", which consisted of a towel, cotton swabs, and WD-40. (I used the towel to dry my tears from shooting so badly.)

Darren (USMC Spud) and Bad Karma, we hope you can make it next time. Tip for any attendees: bring an extra duffel bag to throw your muddy stuff in for the trip home. At least until the rainy season is past.

Would-be new shooters, please show some consideration and courtesy and get there on time, and then if you are late and the rest of the group is standing around waiting for you, hustle your lazy ass and run to the firing line! Shooting with a hammering pulse is good training, and range etiquette is part of the deal. Show up, have fun, but mind your manners!!!

Out.
Wills <wdayton@thegrid.net>
Radioactive, CA, USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 01:11:27 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.162.48.35)

The scope look's good,but the 4 problem's I have with the NSX are the size of the objective lens (56mm) and the weight (32 ounche's) those 2 are not too bad,However the 2 point's I don't like ALOT are the weird reticle's available(their mil-dot is like nothing like a std Mil-Dot,just weird),and the fact that for every revolution of the turret's you only get 10 moa of adjustment(it's going too take you a few more turn's to get out too max range.

I would like them too at lest offer a reticle that people what,maybe go to 15 moa turret and while on the wish list a 50mm len's as a option.
 

Chris
Chris <cafarr@excite.com>
New Zealand - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 01:49:59 (ZULU) (your host address: 203.97.45.166)

Sen. Mc Cain, an American patriot in my eyes, has clearly taken a pro-gun control stance. You may step up to defend his views on certain pieces of legislation-like the jevenille crime bill- but I think most gun owners see that for what it is. A fresh sympathy 'rousing name for legislation that ultimately takes the option of owning a weapon away from honest citizens.

And I am not going to say Bush is without probelms, but I do think he does not depend on his family name for his candidacy. He is the CEO if you will of one of the largest states. And my personal favorite, he is not beaten down by the liberal press everytime someone is up for the death penalty. He lets the decisions of the jury and law of the citizens of his state determine the punishment. That has to be tough during his bid for the presidancy. I will vote for whomever I feel is best, as I know all of you will. Just don't rush to aid a candidate who may have some other views in direct opposition to yours.

It is probably another case of the
-Steve <slhoenig@yahoo.edu>
CA, USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 02:58:35 (ZULU) (your host address: 169.237.13.48)

Larry C <tmhorn@hotmail.com>
Woodward, Okla., USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 04:22:59 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.141.216.100)

Semper Fi
Mac

sean <macdelta1@webtv.net>
houston, tx, USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 04:30:00 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.240.197.24)

Semper Fi
Mac

sean <macdelta1@webtv.net>
houston, tx, USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 04:31:44 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.240.197.24)

Concerning John McCain. True he is a war hero and a victim of war crimes perpetrated against him by N.Vietnam. This does not qualify him as our head of state. I want to point out a few things to you before you make any final decision on voting.
Since New Hampshire, his campaign has recieved a lot of press coverage. Why? He spent most of his contributions there. He has only 7 million remaining. This was risky on his part and shows that he has the stones to take such a gamble. The press love him because he is the most liberal Republican Candidate that has any chance of winning office.
The press will be doing all they can to discredit Mr. Bush to keep the Reagan type of policies out of the White House, they have no boundries (press). John, believes that all guns, not just handguns should be registered. Bad idea! He aslo shares certain views that are consistant with the Klinton Administation. Health care and foriegn policy.
If you want to see who is who on the issue of gun control, look ar Mr. Bushes record in Texas. CCWs are at an all time high! John on the other hand is not well liked in AZ. This is why you hear nothing of his standing there.

Points to concider:
If John is elected to the White House (God help us!) there is no certainty that his liberal policies will be supported by the Congress or the Senate. There are hard liner (Thank God!) that oppose his ideologies. He may get little support in the area of gun control.
It is my understanding that John is a sore loser. Meaning that he may spend the rest of his war chest to smear Mr. Bush if he loses out by September, Forbes has already said he would!

Gentlemen,

You are at an advantage, your are well informed on the issues and are well aware of the consequences if WE lose. McCain is far better than Gore, by a long shot yet, Bush will get us on our feet and tell the U.N. where to shove it! I hate bringing up politic on such a pure gun website but, this is more important than just gun talk. This is our future as a free people exercising our birth right. In the United States of America we have citizens. Britain has subjects! The difference is citezens are in control. Subjects are at the mercy of the government.
Yes I believe in single issue politics, espescially when our traditional way of life, self defense and soveriegnty as a Nation is at total risk. Look at Europe! Do you want to have U.S. Dollars in your pocket or UN currency? Do you want the UN dictating OUR policies to US?! A blue helmut is like a red coat, and will get the same treatment! Don't tread on me! God bless America!
Semper Fidelis!!

Bravo Kilo out.
Bad Karma <jwhiteII56@hotmail.com>
Near Supreme Soviet, Peoples Republic of Kalifornia, USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 04:41:25 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.79.209.130)

One last question. Does anyone shoot at the El Dorado rod and gun club?

Bravo Kilo out.
Bad Karma <jwhiteII56@hotmail.com>
USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 04:46:31 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.79.209.130)

Thought a few of you might know. It's late and I'll try the Leupold web site tomorrow to see if such a creature exists. And if it does exist what is the scoop on this scope?
B. Douglas <uglygun@lightspeed.net>
Bakersfield where men are men and sheep are scared, Ca. land of the gun hater, USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 10:35:55 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.165.1.36)

If your rifle is being painted with an epoxy based finish that requires heating (oven), how does one match that finish on a very expensive scope...I'm thinking that tossing the M4 in the oven would be a bad idea.

Lito or any other noreastern US shooter, I'll soon have my first real long iron and no place to create data beyond 300 yards...any hints on something with 100 miles of New Jersey where one might sling some 175s out to 600+ (without a $500 membership fee)

Regarding the elections...McCain or Bush, either suggests that the Democratic party and the controlling press will have to pause 4 years to finish brain-washing the general public. I personally would vote for any candidate that promised to make the press responsible for content...free speach....BAAA... covering one side of every issue is not free speach in my mind, it's controlled, precise manipulation of public opinion...much akin to a "party line", comrade.

We don't really need a president that feverishly supports the 2nd amendment, if public opinion was based on facts, we'd never have to defend the right to keep and bear arms in defense of freedom.

just my humble opinion.
Jim Mitchell <james_mitchell@merck.com>
NJ, USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 15:34:48 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.20.190.1)

Bill <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 15:45:44 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.184.248.252)

peteR are you still singing Varget's praises. Its agreat powder, but you've got to try some Vit 550- if you can find some!

300 Win Mag - everyone has been expressing their opinion about the poswer to use in the 300, so. I thought I would join the group. Try using some H-4831Sc (sc stands for short cut) it meter through a powder drop very cleanly and accurately..

Remington Trigger or replacement: Everyone here has ben touting the benefits of a great factory trigger and I am also of the opinion that Rem triggers are about one of the best factory triggers around. But if you want to replace it with one terrific trigger look at the Shilen Match trigger. It will bring you down into the ounce range. I know, I know - all you tactical efficienados are saying, why thats no place for that type of trigger on a tactical rifle and you guys are corrects. But when shooting for accuracy, a fine trigger will help you accomplish that. Be prepared to shell out about 150.00. But really you have to ask yourself - do you really need to replace that good adjustable Rem trigger - probably not!

Finally. 300 Win Mag barrel shortening: Remember that on almost any magnum caliber you have an overbore situation adn the 300 Mag rifles are no different. If you shorten it much more that 22 inches, it will not be able to consume all the powder in that big case and accuracy can suffer, and also velocity will greatly suffer. If you want to use a shorter barrel stay with the efficient burning 308 and you can definitely get away with a 18 to 20 inch barrel. Keep the 300 mag rifle withat least a 24 inch tube.

I will wait and see which candidate I want to vote for. Gore is out. Tipper would be a better candidate in a bikini. Bush did show resolve andn conviction iin Texas as Texas Governor, when he did not allow that Texas murderess to free on death row (what ever her name was). And I have also read some articles about McCain. Seems like a good Republican candidate, but time will tell. Pat Buchanan - where are you now.

al o.
Al OStapowicz <aaostapowicz@nls.net>
My Town, My Home in , Ohi-er, USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 15:52:00 (ZULU) (your host address: 216.144.4.42)

Fish <fish@hawaii.net>
USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 16:33:39 (ZULU) (your host address: 204.60.72.4)

Ken Hunter... did you buy that M40A3 that was on the emporium??
How's your project going.

My new gun is waiting for the Teflon goop from Brownell's... should be finished in a few weeks... need a scope... lookin' for a MK4-M3 with a "7.62mm Nato-M118" cam... (hint!).

Pablito
 

Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 16:42:30 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.249.180.121)

Bill R,
I agree I would never cut a "Hot Rod" or a Magnum you have to have the barrel to burn the powder. I know the 1000yd boys are still big into the long barrels but then they are the size of a truck axle too. I think anything shorter than 22" will give to much muzzle blast also and like I stated earlier I do belive the 22" is the best of both worlds. Just my opinion though!!
Pat <mrbullet@hotmial.com>
USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 17:20:18 (ZULU) (your host address: 207.41.18.130)

Thanks!
- Dave (non-Depity variety)
Dave <dave@broadsword.com>
San Jose, CA, USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 17:42:32 (ZULU) (your host address: 198.133.22.67)

If it's marked "308Y", then it's for the Sierra 168 at 2600fps, in yards.

The "M" cam is standard... the "Y" cam was made up in a small lot,
for the "Clockwise" scopes. Last January '99, they changed the scope turrets to turn counterclockwise, and they don't have "Y" cam for the CCW scopes yet.

Pablito.
 

Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 18:13:10 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.249.180.121)

"Black Match"...

You can blacken the cases, without affecting the function of the rifle, and the cases can't be seen from the target's position, as they fly through the air...

Pablito.
 

Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 18:17:46 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.249.180.121)

Sure, there is a check and balance thing in the Fed. government (at least in theory), but the so-called leader should be the forerunner in Constitutional adherence.

Would you like to have your money in a bank where the president of said bank did not feverishly adhere to guidelines like "No Embezzlement"?
Wills <wdayton@thegrid.net>
Radioactive, CA, USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 19:02:11 (ZULU) (your host address: 206.14.52.225)

I don't know too much about Keyes, but he seems like he'd be great from what little I do know. But, I really don't see him having a chance against Bush for the nomination. If he gets it, great. I think McCain has a good chance against Bush, though, and if he gets the nomination instead of Bush, I'll live with him.

Earlier, Bravo made a point that we shouldn't be picking who ought to win, but instead be picking who would do the best job. I'd wholly agree if this wasn't a partisian setup these days. Regardless, in my state as an independent I can't vote in the primaries, so I'll having to wait til the real election to get my say at the poll.
 

AN ACTUAL SNIPER QUESTION:
Gooch, you may be the one who answers this, but I'd like to hear from all who have an opinion:

How does the scout-sniper's intel get processed once it's out of his hands? I mean, in addition to long-range marksmanship, the fellow's collecting data that he hands to his platoon commander. I assume there's some channel to get the data from the CO's hands into Intel's grubby little fingers.
Once it's there, do they just format/assimulate it and then hand it off to higher ups who send it back down to the generals? Or do they actually think about it, process it themselves, send a copy up and also send a copy directly to the COs?

Ciao,
-L

Leslie <lnbright@juno.com>
VA-TN, USA - Monday, February 07, 2000 at 20:30:05 (ZULU) (your host address: 216.98.92.157)

PLEASE go check out Dr. Alan Keyes. I CHALLENGE :-) you to.
What you will find (if you look) is someone so PRO 2nd that you would think we offered up one of our own from the roster to run. No "republican clit-ton" i.e. Dubbya Bush. Anyone hear of the paratroopers in Texas and how he reacted? Neither is he a McCain. Don't get me wrong, what McCain did in service to this great nation is nothing short of heroic (in my mind, any POW had to have great courage to come back alive from there), and I'm certainly not going to say ANYTHING disrespectful of the man. I just don't agree with him completely on the issues. I want my son to have the same rights, no, MORE rights than I do. I would be honored to have a beer with him, but not vote for him to be THE commander in cheif. Rush Limbaugh (my favorite liberal) says Keyes is the closest we have to Reagan. I say he's the closest we have to Thomas Jefferson. If you listen to him in a debate, heck, he can use LOGIC - not spin - to counter ANYONE. Great orator (speaker for those of you in Rio Linda) and true Patriot. Will he win? In a recent Yahoo! poll, he rated 1% better than al gore. That's good enough for me!

Please excuse the non-shooting related post, but it really is in disguise. I shoot a "nasty evil paramilitary assault rifle". My M1A. And I want my son to shoot one too, and on those grounds I OWE it to him, and my father and grandfather (patriotic veterans) to vote for the BEST man for the job, not back the "most marketable" person. Put bill bradley in a debate with Dr. Keyes, and the NATION will have to back him or admit their left handedness (no offense to biological lefties).

Now we all KNOW the mass media is EXTREMELY liberal. They cover McCain well, because he's more "centered" than bush. They don't cover Keyes AT ALL. If the word got out that there was someone out there like him, people would either have to say "well, he's OBVIOUSLY the best for the job" or "the hell with the constitution, I love big guvmint more!". And we know which way that tug of war will go. All I ask is that you LOOK. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, just put the choice out there. Can't choose what you don't know about! I got a beer riding on the fact anyone on this site will change their affiliation though :-)

By the way, I beleive in this guy so much that I'm a volunteer, first time ever for anyone. Gotta love an "anti-clit-ton"!
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
Keyes Country, Utah, USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2000 at 00:58:01 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.139)

SFC Pete: Thanks for the info on Mike's email, that's good to know. I never had much trouble reaching him via the phone.

Anyone find any these handheld anemometers (I think I'm remembering that right... I mean wind meters, nothin' to do with sheep or naughes.) to be useful in the field? The Kestrel 1000 looks to be pretty good.
 

Dave <dave@broadsword.com>
San Jose, CA, USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2000 at 01:58:46 (ZULU) (your host address: 204.156.152.47)

Does anyone know about a SAKO TRG-S rifle? I have not been able to find a Win 70 stealth. Can anybody help? I am just trying to gather up other options.

Tom

Tom <tomstuckey@hotmail.com>
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2000 at 02:45:19 (ZULU) (your host address: 206.180.129.93)

I had an Obermeyer 5R put on my M1A by David Sullivan in CO.
You will not be unsatisfied with one of Boots' barrels, they are top notch. Other than Obermeyer there is Mike Rock 5R's, but I have not heard of them available in some time.

Check with David, he probably has some in stock. Different twist rates too.

Westwind Rifles-(303)828-3823

If no luck there I would search in the Highpower circles, I believe there is more interest there.
TR <BOLTGUNZRUL@aol.com>
Portland, OR, USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2000 at 04:51:28 (ZULU) (your host address: 152.163.195.202)

Bragger. Send me the rifle, I'll see if it fits the case I have.

Hank <ninesoft2@earthlink.net>
Denver, USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2000 at 05:28:57 (ZULU) (your host address: 38.27.84.155)

You won't be wrong going with the VS or even a Win M70 for beginning long range. Either are excellent rifles out to at least 600 yrds. Go with the cheaper option and learn to shoot well with it first. If you buy an expensive rig and still can't shoot well, you've misinvested your money.

Brovo:

Here, here! on Dr. Keyes. I saw an earlier Republican debate with all the candidates (I think it may have been on CNN) and was impressed. Unlike Sen. McCain, he didn't try to avoid the topics and questions posed to him by injecting more comments about previous topics. It seemed to me that McCain was only talking about what HE wanted to talk about, and not what the hosts posed as the topic of discussion. Talk about rude! Dr. Keyes stuck to the topics. And unlike Bush, Dr. Keyes was deliberate and direct in his replies. He didn't talk in generallities. He wasn't shy about saying that a lack of family values and a lack of patriotic respect are the causes of a lot of America's problems - things that I believe.

In the last election I felt Clinton would win. But, I voted against him anyway. Each person should vote for who they beleive is the right choice, reguardless of whether or not they feel that candidate will loose. There is no reason to jump on any band wagon. What good does it do to say "I voted for this guy and he won" if he doesn't beleive in and fight for the same values that you do. That's like stepping into an arguement and siding with the one who is best dressed, reguardless of who you think is right or wrong. McCain,Bush and even Gore realize that in today's politics (media?) image is everything, even if you don't have anything worthwhile to say. I've always felt that party favorites want to stay as neutral as they can so that they can get more votes, not because they feel its what's best for the country.

Even if its not sniping related this seems to be the topic of the week. Not a bad subject, really, considering that we, on this site, are all pro- second amendment and still somewhat divided on who should be our next President. But, I've said my piece.....

NEXT!.......

Paul M. <prmayne@ala.net>
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2000 at 10:03:18 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.2.27.184)

Thanks for all the feedback on the differeing Leupold tatcical scopes. For this paticular application I think I will go with the M3.
 

Now, on to the next Q: I am currently using a set of 1" IOR rings on a set of Bayer Lightforce tapered bases along with the Vari-X II 4x12 AO that I am currently using on my 700PSS. Nioce gear but these rings are easily tall enough to clear a 50mm objective over the barrel, resulting in my realy *needing* the Blackhawk stock pack just to get the comb high enough. Are there any "tactical'-grade rings out there that will actualy get a 40mm scope reasonably low over the bore?
Application would be for a 30mm Vari-X III 3.5x10 LR M3 on a 700PSS with the Bayer bases, just to be extra clear.
 

Thanks:

-Tom
Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Colatown, in the lovely state of, SC, USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2000 at 12:08:38 (ZULU) (your host address: 24.31.213.119)

Paul M. <prmayne@ala.net>
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2000 at 21:49:07 (ZULU) (your host address: 206.107.24.50)

Jerry
Jerry Rice <nor-cal@worldnet.att.net>
American Canyon, CA, USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2000 at 22:30:42 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.72.103.217)

There is no magical combination that automatically puts you up front.
There are those that love 1 turn tactical scopes, and those that hate 'em, and love 1/4 minute target style scopes, and those that love rangefinding reticles, and those that hate 'em...
There are those that love Rem's and those that love Wins...
Lupita's vs B&L Tac's, vs Tasco Super Duper Sniper Diaper scopes...
There are lots of combinations that are effective.
You go to any good tactical/sniper match, and you will see many mongrel combinations... and the shooters will argue to defend their choices... sometimes with humor, and sometimes with bitterness.
But one thing is for sure... when they hit the mud, there's a lot of ringing steel.

Pick your own combination things that fit the way you think, and the way you shoot...pick your poison, and learn the art.

The "Art" is much more difficult to find, than the tools.

Pablito.
 

Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2000 at 22:35:17 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.249.180.38)

Let's get smarter and proactive. Bring an extra (clean!) set of earmuffs or earplugs and shooting glasses. When you see somebody standing back just watching the fun at the range, introduce yourself and see if you can get them to try it for themselves. If their jealous A-hole boyfriend comes over and takes a swing at you, then just employ some sniper-fu as discussed ad nauseum on this very forum several months ago.
Wills <wdayton@thegrid.net>
Radioactive, CA, USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2000 at 22:39:09 (ZULU) (your host address: 206.14.52.225)

I have a Mk4M3 on my .308. It also has the Baer tapered bases. The rings are the standard Leupold Mk4 rings, 30mm, and the bottom edge of the objective lens is probably about 3/8 inch from the top edge of the barrel. The objective lens of the M3 is 40mm , I beleive.

Hope that helps,

Pat Murphy:

Damn interesting post on the chopped .260. What was the difference in terms of powder charge type/weight to get the velocity you wanted in the shorter barrel? Sounds like your project was a huge success.

This Sunday begins the "Winter Series" tactical rifle matches. Looks like I might just be able to do a complete year, season, whatever of competition. Very good. One of these days, they're even going to let me use real bullets.

Jeff A.
Jeff A. <d1k2l3@smyrnacable.net>
Smyrna, GA, USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2000 at 23:37:10 (ZULU) (your host address: 139.76.64.4)

Your post re: "no magical combination" was excellent. Hell, I get excited when I spell most of my words kerrecktly..

By the way, what is "sniper-fu" anyone? I'm curious. Just a two or three paragraph explaination would be appreciated :)

Jeff A.
Jeff A. <d1k2l3@smyrnacable.net>
Smyrna, Ga, USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2000 at 23:49:28 (ZULU) (your host address: 139.76.64.4)

Jim <youngestliles@hotmail.com>
PDX, Or., USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 00:28:13 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.156.133.183)

I have the Sierra "Infinity" program, and I don't use it much.
I prefer their earlier "Sierra 3" software... runs under DOS, and gives more info, faster... they left stuff out, when they went to "Infinity", in order to make it look nice under windows.

Pablito.
 

Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 02:56:29 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.249.180.112)

I told you the that VV550 was good stuff! As I recall your call on Uptown was 10' over the target, so I know they were gett'n there;) But it groups real well for me too. Sorry about the no-show on the bird hunting trip. That flue had me down. Missed three days of work.
BTW...ordered a new toy; the 15-45x60mm spotting scope from U.S. Optics. Can't wait to get a look through it. Should be here soon.

To the Board:

I'm signed up for Sniper 1 at SM in Sept. and need a partner.

To the Webmaster:

I hearby request that Dixie be given equal time.
 
 

Gar <stucook@bright.net>
Displaced Southern Boy, NW OH, USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 04:21:27 (ZULU) (your host address: 205.212.119.65)

It is an advanced firelapping kit called the FinalFinish.

Check it out, sounds real interesting for $28 bucks.

www.jarheadtop.com/Final%20Finish.htm
TR <BOLTGUNZRUL@aol.com>
Portland, OR, USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 05:02:54 (ZULU) (your host address: 152.163.204.58)

The trigger group is rather good but still a bit stiff for this IPSC shooter; way better than a stock trigger group. Retail is around $425.00 I bought mine about 10 years ago for $225.00. Well worth the price of admission...
JGT
Jon Tupper <Gonzo 1xp@aol.com>
Reno, NV, USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 06:59:59 (ZULU) (your host address: 205.188.195.42)

SAKO TRG-S HUNTING RIFLE BASED ON TRG TACTICAL RIFLE

I bought a Sako TRG-S (aka M995) 8 months ago. The rifle has been scoped with a Leupold M1, the barrel has been Mag-na-ported (second shot gets off quicker) and a Harris bipod was installed (and un-installed depending on what I'm shooting).

HOW IT SHOOTS - Please note, theres alot of people who shoot alot better than I do.
With Sierra 175 HPBT home loads it shoots 0.7 MOA. I'm currently testing Sierra 155 HPBT (Palma friends talked me into this) and have had one group just under 0.5 MOA - this might have been lucky? - more testing required. I believe the rifle is capable of groups smaller than the above, and look forward to testing Sierra 168 HPBT.

REASON FOR CHOOSING SAKO TRG-S
1. In Australia the Sako TRG-S and the Remington PSS were the same price.
2. Accuracy out of the box was very important as I had no intention of modifying the rifle for accuracy ie. trigger jobs, bedding etc.
3. When researching which rifle to buy, a few people were questioning Remington quality. Sending a rifle back to the factory from here was not an option.
4. Rightly or wrongly I believe that the North Europeans produce better MASS PRODUCED precision engineered firearms than the Americans. Emphasis being on the MASS PRODUCED. American custom gun smiths are undoubtly the best in the world. (Oh-oh, I'm going to get into trouble for point 4.)

CONCLUSION
I'm very happy with the TRG-S, I bought a rifle to shoot paper, brumbies, donkeys, and pigs to 500 meters, and this rifle does that.

For more info refer www.sako.fi as posted by someone else earlier.

Cheers,

Stephen

Stephen Bertschi <donnasch@octa4.net.au>
Darwin, NT, Australia - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 08:24:42 (ZULU) (your host address: 203.21.6.48)

SAKO TRG-S HUNTING RIFLE BASED ON TRG TACTICAL RIFLE

I bought a Sako TRG-S (aka M995) 8 months ago. The rifle has been scoped with a Leupold M1, the barrel has been Mag-na-ported (second shot gets off quicker) and a Harris bipod was installed (and un-installed depending on what I'm shooting).

HOW IT SHOOTS - Please note, theres alot of people who shoot alot better than I do.
With Sierra 175 HPBT home loads it shoots 0.7 MOA. I'm currently testing Sierra 155 HPBT (Palma friends talked me into this) and have had one group just under 0.5 MOA - this might have been lucky? - more testing required. I believe the rifle is capable of groups smaller than the above, and look forward to testing Sierra 168 HPBT.

REASON FOR CHOOSING SAKO TRG-S
1. In Australia the Sako TRG-S and the Remington PSS were the same price.
2. Accuracy out of the box was very important as I had no intention of
modifying the rifle for accuracy ie. trigger jobs, bedding etc.
3. When researching which rifle to buy, a few people were questioning
Remington quality. Sending a rifle back to the factory from here was not an option.
4. Rightly or wrongly I believe Sako have a higher enginerring standard than Remington.

CONCLUSION
I'm very happy with the TRG-S, I bought a rifle to shoot paper, brumbies, donkeys, and pigs to 500 meters, and this rifle does that.

For more info refer www.sako.fi as posted earlier.

Cheers,

Stephen
 
 

Stephen Bertschi <donnasch@octa4.net.au>
Darwin, NT, Australia - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 09:16:52 (ZULU) (your host address: 203.21.6.48)

A Loooperholder scope,
Mounted in them mighty Badger rings,
Makes me think,
About sex and things.

A Harris bipod,
You might add,
And one of Mike's slings,
Makes it look mighty bad.

I like Federal GM Match 175's
They are mightly fine,
But roll your own by Pete's recipe,
And you'll be so happy you just want to pee.

That Mildot master,
Makes you a masterblaster,
With that Slopedoper at your side,
Makes them shots hit on a hillside.

Drag bags are great,
you may say,
Can't afford one now,
Too much to pay.

These are the final lines,
Of the Boltman's prose,
Now get out and shoot,
But don't forget them perty sheepie hoe's!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 13:11:27 (ZULU) (your host address: 170.98.67.135)

Bolt,

Nice prose! I AM impressed dude!
 
 

Al O.,

I haven't forgot our little bit of "unfinished" business, however until my indoor range is complete,(and the home over it too) I'm gonna have to put you "Out To Pasture" for a while.

Nope!-Nope!-Nope!

Not in West Virginny, but at home with Mrs AL O. and you better get her sumfin for V-day, or dare I say you run the risk of another "Lambasting"

Chao!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 15:13:23 (ZULU) (your host address: 205.188.193.32)

On Scopes: any scope will change impact if you change how you look through it/Stock Weld. Same as iron sights. No magic here. Take some tape and put down when you have found the right place as a refrence point. 1/4 versus 1/2 versus 1cm adjustments. They all work well

All for now Undude
MikeM <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 15:34:44 (ZULU) (your host address: 152.163.213.184)

Thanks for you help. I sent my mailing address to your e-mail.

Regards,

Cecil
 

Cecil <cpl0321@yahoo.com>
Makati, Metro Manila, Philippines - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 16:08:17 (ZULU) (your host address: 202.131.0.16)

Of Course it just had to happen I just got all the pieces of my AICS R700 together and was intending on hitting the range. It was 10 Degrees Celcius here - about 49F I think - yesterday and now it is -10 and we got 12"+ of snow and it is still coming down. I can't even drive down the street (foreign car) let alone the 900m range.

Thanks to Dave L., Tony W. (and Barrett), and all the others for the advice etc.
Kevin <kevmich@cadvision.com>
Snowed under in Calgary, Canada - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 16:51:40 (ZULU) (your host address: 207.148.139.30)

it's here that you can see the ultimate

hopefully it will be added as a link, if not do a quick cut and paste for a good laugh.
B. Douglas <uglygun@lightspeed.net>
Bakersfield, where your sister can also be your wife!, California, land of the stupid., USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 16:53:40 (ZULU) (your host address: 136.168.218.12)

You asked about places to get your Garand Refurbished and specifically asked about Miltech Vintage Restorations.

I have never shot a MilTech Firearm, but I have talked to the guy that is responsible for test-firing them up at the range I go to once in a while. I can not comment on their quality as I have not observed too closely, but I never noticed him having any real problems. The weapons do look very nice when they have finished them.

Another avenue might be to do it yourself or to do parts of it yourself. If you want some friendly advice and people that are really into M1s to talk to have a look at
Dick Culvers CSP Guntalk Forum at http://12.4.191.54/cgi-bin/guntalk/config.pl?

Gloria and Dick run a tight ship and have a friendly atmosphere on their forum. Folks like Lane Smith or SHM1 always seem to be online and have good fact-based answers to almost any problem. For history buffs folks Like Ed Clancy and other M1 authors also frequent the site.

A guy by the name of dean (mumble) who runs Deans Gun Restorations out of Southern California also frequents that forum and those who have sent him parts for refinishing have appeared to be very happy.

-----

A few days ago someone asked about Jerry Rice and kidded that he must pay people to sing his praises. Admittedly I am biased because I built his website, but I spent some time with him during that process and got to see his shop and many of the rifles he has built. If peole sing his praises its because he makes a damn fine piece of equipment! I have shot 2 of his rifles and thought both were just outstanding. He has worked on my .308 and the groups tightened right up. My wife shot a 223 Ackley Jerry had built.. it was the first time she had fired a bolt gun and with the exception of one flier she easily put them all in an x-ring size group... Which she now has stapled to MY bulletin board.

In short he earned his accolades! Do check out his site.
JT - webmaster to the stars! (shooting stars?) <tenarius@memorableplaces.com>
CCCPalifornia, USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 22:34:03 (ZULU) (your host address: 204.156.137.61)

John Wagner ( Greywulf ) <Jawagne@yahoo.com>
Hillsborough, nc, USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 22:49:40 (ZULU) (your host address: 32.97.136.232)

Dark & cold,
Hard, of stone. What has afflicted my pet?
Oozed,as of curds, from unseen crags to fasten lock to stock?
Fiend! Evil Devcon!
How I have been played untrue, to an untimely demise, to grapple
on the floor, to strike upon the bench!
To grasp and tug, strain and tear!

And you, bastard potion! Blue devil in virgin bottle!
Release agent?
Release Havoc! A curse upon thy ilk!

Now with my gaze on my misplayed friend,
I ponder the wherewithal of tears.
Let them be to dissolve this grime, this pox, shame.
Jim <youngestliles@hotmail.com>
PDX, Or., USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2000 at 23:40:33 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.156.133.190)

Its a bolt action.

Mag-na-porting helped get the second shot off quicker by almost entirely eliminating muzzle jump and noticably decreasing recoil. There website is www.magnaport.com.

There was an excellent article written on Mag-na-porting in an Australian shooting magazine called Sporting Shooter in August last year. For those interested they can e-mail me there fax numbers (including area code) and I'll fax them a copy.

No, I do not work for Mag-na-port and wont benefit in anyway, I just think its a good product.

Cheers

Stephen

Stephen <donnasch@octa4.net.au>
NT, Australia - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 01:08:19 (ZULU) (your host address: 203.21.6.48)

Want to buy a single shot, 50 BMG rifle. Have started researching and would like to talk to experienced 50BMG owners offline (over the phone to save my fingers all the typing blisters). Anyone willing to help or direct to 50bmg forums, thanks.

Bill Ferris
Hm Office 512-255-9783
Cl 214-244-9358
Bill Ferris <ferrisb@volvo.com>
Austin, Texas, USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 01:12:42 (ZULU) (your host address: 24.27.14.173)

If you are an active shooter in good old Nova Scotia, what club(s) are you a member of? If you are not a member of NSRA, you should be. Some of the finest shooters in Canada (perhaps, North America?) are members of this club. That's a fact.

Glad to see another Maritimer around here for a change.
 

Jeff Babineau <j.babineau@ns.sympatico.ca>
Truro, N.S., Canada - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 03:42:51 (ZULU) (your host address: 142.177.87.172)

A while back, Tactical Shooter magazine ran an article on asymmetrical muzzle breaks. These muzzle breaks were designed to eliminate muzzle jump. Has anyone tried one of these muzzle breaks? If so, how did it perform? Did the muzzle break effect the accuracy of the rifle? Who built it and how much $$$$?

Thanks
 

Jeff <harmonj@ttc.com>
McKinney, TX, USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 04:13:01 (ZULU) (your host address: 205.188.192.173)

AD <adsjunkbox@mindspring.com>
al, USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 05:54:31 (ZULU) (your host address: 199.174.136.86)

Please remember your caps lock.

Thanks
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 06:18:56 (ZULU) (your host address: 63.192.208.6)

Hi mate,Yes I concur,RE: Design and Quality Control(Finish) of Sako is Higher,REGUARDLESS of what I have heard other's say about Sako,You can read between the line's I think,my experience with Sako product's has alway's been positive,got my first one in 1983,never personally seen or heard of a Sako that was not a excellent shooter.

I have 2 TRG serie's,similar to yours, a TRG-21 in .308 and a TRG-41 in .338LM,havn't used the 41 yet,but the 21 is a tack driver.
 
 
 

Chris
Chris <cafarr@excite.com>
New Zealand - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 07:48:15 (ZULU) (your host address: 203.97.45.198)

First off, because of the font used on this web site all-caps postings are difficult to read. Some people even feel like you are yelling. So be kind and don't use all capital letters just to get attention. Some of the most knowledgable folks here may view it as disrespectfull and not give you a reply.

And on to your questions. I bought my PSS in .308 through the forum here on this site. I haven't looked lately, but, there seemed to be a good selection to choose from. Keep in mind that the higher priced ones probably have some customizing and therefor worth what is being asked. $700 is not unreasonable if its in good to excellent condition with no modifications. They go for about $750 and up for a new one (rifle only) if you can get it. Remington has installed purchasing limitations recently for liability reasons and in many cases a request must be made on law enforcement letter head.

As an option, however, any of the other model 700's will perform the same if they have the heavy (medium?) weight barrel. The actions are identical. The stocks are the only difference. So, unless you've shot the fatter gripped PSS and feel its the one for you, the Sendero might be a better choice. It uses a varmint style stock made by the same company that makes the PSS stock and has more barrel options than the PSS. Check out the article on the PSS else where on this site.

Also, it looks as though that's an AL (as in Alabama) below your name on your post. If so you are welcome to swing by and shoot mine sometime. Just e-mail me.
Paul M. <prmayne@ala.net>
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 09:21:06 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.2.27.131)

Up until this year, the VS only came in LH. As for the VSSF, I would assume that since it uses the same stock style and just replaces the metal parts with stainless steel that it would also be available in LH. As for the PSS, I've only seen RH models of those.
 

Paul M. <prmayne@ala.net>
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 09:27:27 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.2.27.131)

When I said "forum" above I should have said . Sorry.
 

Paul M. <prmayne@ala.net>
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 09:37:16 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.2.27.131)

When I said "forum" above I should have said prmayne@ala.net>
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 09:38:12 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.2.27.131)

It should read Emporium.

Marius:

How about a link at the top or bottom of this page to the article that JT wrote on how to type in links for people like me who have poor abilities to remember stuff?
 

Paul M. <prmayne@ala.net>
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 09:48:44 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.2.27.131)

straight shooting!!

Haraldur Gústafsson <garou@simnet.is>
Egilsstaðir, Iceland - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 14:14:15 (ZULU) (your host address: 194.105.224.231)

Sorry again wasnt trying to be rude.
ad
ad <adsjunkbox@mindspring.com>
hartselle, Al , USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 14:55:46 (ZULU) (your host address: 199.174.148.201)

(I don't mind the 52mm objective lens - since my large head creates a high profile anyway).

Ken :)

Ken <ImpactArea@snipercountry.com>
Nokesville, Va, USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 18:15:27 (ZULU) (your host address: 216.172.42.2)

I am flattered you'd suggest linking my silly little page to the roster. It's okay with me if the guys want to do that. I had intended the link instruction page to be temporary, but it takes up almost no space and so I'll leave it up permenantly on my site if there is an interest.

You can see the page we're talking about at: http://www.memorableplaces.com/zzzlinkingonsc.html. Its a simple little tutorial on how to make hyperlinks appear HIGHLIGHTED here and work as what one of you guys calls 'jump links'.

As an alternative to doing it this way, remember also you can put in any URL into the Duty Roster entry form box labeled "URL of YOUR website - if any:" and simply tell folks to click on your name. Though I do agree that this may be more confusing for casual readers.

I have also linked the Making hyperlinks on SC page at the bottom of my main MemorablePlaces.com page. Should I ever get tired of seeing it there I will simply move it to my links to other firearms websites page.

Enjoy!
JT - Link Tutor <tenarius@memorableplaces.com>
CCCPalifornia, USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 18:35:20 (ZULU) (your host address: 204.156.137.61)

I have the most beautiful Weatherby Mark V, cal.300Wby. Bought for hunting purposes, but lately I've been thinking of converting it into a tactical gun. My problem so far is that I haven't fired too many rounds with it, so I really don't know my weapon. With time (and money)this will correct itself, but my question to you, gentlemen, is; does any of you have any experience with this rifle and caliber? Is it worth the time & effort? In case of yes, will I be able to get a 'decent' stock (fiber) from the major producers?
Thanks in advance for a (serious) comment.
Robbie

Robbie Lopez <robbiel@online.no>
in an OP in, Norway - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 18:37:17 (ZULU) (your host address: 130.67.65.120)

I really think you guys are missing the boat on this lapping thing.

there 2 reasons you lap

1. the surface of the ring is rough, i.e. reduced contact/less clamping force/damage to scope.

2. the rings don't line up. There are 2 reasons for this:
1) rings are made poorly
2) the base is not straight.

There 2 or more reasons for this!
1) the base is poorly manufactured (very likely with some bases)
2) the damn receiver is shit! Which is always the case!!!

Lets say you are building a house (the receiver is the foundation) if the foundation is not level or square and there is nothing done to compensate for it the walls (base) will be twisted or out of wack in some other way and when you add the roof (rings) the peak of the roof will not be straight (the center of the scope path)

So to recap…if you had to lap a set of rings…why? Was it the rings? if so blast the manufacturer!
If it was the base… blast the manufacturer!
And receivers on Remingtons, and Winchesters are always crooked, twisted and bent down.
The stock will help to pull the receiver into shape but will not always fix the problems.
Always mount a base on an action that is torqued in to the stock.

2 piece bases will always have more problems than a 1 piece mount period! Do the math yourself
If 2 inclined plains with same angle at a given distance provide a flat plane (center of the rings) this in good.
But what if the given distance is longer or shorter, the plane from the first mount will not match the plane of the second mount. Get the picture.
Well you might say "its only off a little!" What is a little? 1 degree is 60 moa 1 degree is about .017 of an inch at 1 inch, so if your rear base is .002" higher than your front and the front and rear base are 6" from each other that's 1'9" of angle that you must lap out of the rings. Are 1 pc bases perfect…no but neither in the action.
What's it mean? It means that there no perfect answers as there are no perfect rifles. Food for thought, but the best stuff and you will always be closer to what you want.
Who am I? I have been in the Firearms industry for 20+ years as an engineer, I have done contract work for the Army, Nave and Secret service, I have designed whole firearms and parts for guns that I bet most of you own. I have built dozens of rifles that have won matches, saved lives and even broken some new ground. I have mounted dozens and dozens of scopes. I thought I would give a little free advise.

FOX

FOX <M4carbine@aol.com>
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 19:21:19 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.0.208.115)

Another reason to lap the night away. Will your your arms as big as Arnold's! Specially them thar Badgers. Definitely go the extra $ and get a one piece base. I do think it makes a big difference in scope fit.

YOU TELL EM FOX!!!!!!!!!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 22:05:33 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.138.57.14)

Posted by MM on February 10, 19100 at 14:38:03:

You Amaericans are such babies, hide behind your big guns ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i'm scared. I bet all of you must have been beaten up growing up??? wish I would run into some of you on the street and knock your teeth out!!!
How many chindren are going to die before you care????
And yes, this is my real email so you know where to get some ass kicked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
 

Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 22:15:50 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.138.57.14)

I have always admired the front dovetailed base and rings of the redfield design. The rear end has thrilled me less so, every since I ripped the little ears off of the rear ring by pushing the scope and ring down to meet the rear base 25 years ago. I have since learned about shims and JB weld to elimate that from happening again, but still the rear base is a pretty flimsy setup. I think the Ideal design would incorporate the dovetail front of the redfield and the the rear scope ring design should be of weaver style. I spent a day scraping in a weaver rear base to match a front redfield dovetail and it works great. The nice part of this setup is that you know when you install the scope as you cam the scope on the rifle you can watch the rear weaver type ring slide right on top of the rear weaver base. If all four sides of the bottom of the ring are touching the top of the base you did a good job of scraping in the botttom of the base in to match the receiver. It is just my opinion that this is a stronger setup than the pure redfield design but I can take the scope off and put it on using only a coin and it returns to zero perfectly. One thing though, you have to open up the channel of the rear base where the crossbolt goes through to be able to swing the scope on and off. Also you lose the ability to adjust for windage in the base as is possible with the original redfield design.
Steve <nato@bright.net>
S.C.D.H., Ohio, USA - Thursday, February 10, 2000 at 23:25:23 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.143.42.57)

Here is my reply to "MM" for his (her?) posting on the Emporium (copied into the DR above, by the Boltster. Feel free to load his box or leave it to me to receive whatever flame mail this generates:

So, "MM", you stumble across an otherwise harmless website and cannot resist spewing your hateful, mislead rhetoric here. Well, that is no great surprise to those of us who frequent the site. You see, we are very accustomed to such drivel. People like you, those with no clue of the price of freedom and safety, are quite common. We encounter such nonsense constantly, in the form of hopeless sheep like you who refuse to see the real cause of gun-related deaths. We regularly suffer infringements on our freedoms as a result of the likes of you whipping up an emotional public in the wake of terrible, isolated acts of crime.

But here's the problem, and I know you've already heard it and refuse to listen: no new law or restriction will prevent these killings from happening. With the literally hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of citizens around the world, the possibility of more tragedies is quite real. The problem you should really strive to solve has more to do with punishing and isolating the criminals, not law-abiding gun owners like me.

If you spent any time at all perusing the Sniper Country website, you would see that the vast majority of people who visit there are decent individuals who share a profound interest in shooting sports. Additionally, there is a tremendous number of law-enforcement officers who give and receive valuable information relating to the safe use of firearms. These are not the people whom you should be railing at. These are the people whom you might one day wish will rescue you from danger.

Need I remind you of World War II? According to historical accounts, the people of Great Britain were armed with little more than hunting shotguns, with which to defend their shores against enemy invasion. Few armies have managed to repel a motivated invasion without the assistance of the general populace. Lucky for you, the US stepped in and did a great deal to prevent, for the UK, a more horrible outcome.

Before you return to this site and spout more hatred, expend a small bit of that useless energy and research the effect of disarmament on crime rates in such places as early 20th century Germany, modern day England, and Australia, as well as US cities like Washington D.C. and New York. If you look honestly at gun-related crime, as well as violent crime, you will see a sad result from this sort of meaningless action.

Punish the criminals, not the law abiding. Thieves, rapists and killers will think twice before risking their cowardly lives with a potentially armed victim. Wouldn't you? In view of the fact that you were too spineless to leave your own name on your pathetic posting, I must conclude that you can relate to the senses of a coward.

There is no need to waste any more of your time in this useless and unfounded expression of your ignorance. You will receive no more attention from any of us. But remember: to those who defend it, freedom has a sweetness the protected will never know.

And I will include my name.

Roger

Oh, and by the way, none of us is the least bit concerned about your hollow threat of physical violence. This is for two reasons: first, your cowardly nature betrays this weak display of combatance and, second, people who possess firearms pay no heed to the threat of a beating. Maybe you never heard - you should always bring a gun to a gunfight. Of course, if you weren't such a simpleminded pacifist, you might think of that yourself.
Roger <rlays@aol.com>
PA, USA - Friday, February 11, 2000 at 01:23:55 (ZULU) (your host address: 152.163.201.58)

You're funny. From reading your comments I can see that you are not in charge of anything and I think I know why. You just repeat what you have heard. Do us all a favor and have an original thought. They are reasonably priced. Barring that, maybe you could simply seek to understand the ramifications of your desires. When you think you've got a firm grip on it, by all means enlighten us. I'm trying to remember the last time I was responsible for the death of a child...Sorry, nothing yet, but I'll be sure to let you know. What does "MM" stand for anyway?...Militant Moron?

Sincerely,
Paul J. Headlee <pheadlee@networksplus.net>
Ogden, KS, USA - Friday, February 11, 2000 at 03:04:59 (ZULU) (your host address: 199.240.135.85)

Rifle: Did I say Jerry Rice. Pablito, just leave your 40x at home, I am bringing this 300win every where. Shot a bunch of groups today with the average under 1/2moa. Many groups under 1/4moa. Pete as to how fast them bullets will go. I used a load with 220's that averaged 2800fps. That is 250fps faster than the load worked in two PSS 300's. Jerry says it the type of rifling. Some type of KxP only thing. Whatever it shoots very well and very fast, with no signs of pressure. I never thought 220's would go 2800 fps in a 300win with room to spare. Just factor that 220 grainer at 2800 fps and see how the 168's hold up against it. Now all you need is a dead shoulder like mine. LOL

Scopes: all scopes are subject to the big P. Word. The 3.5x10 LR M1 is a great scope that anyone should be happy to use. The ultimate scope is the one on the rifle that the guy that can shoot has.

Undude/Mike
MikeM <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Friday, February 11, 2000 at 04:08:54 (ZULU) (your host address: 152.163.201.186)

Thanks for the link! I put it in my "favorites".

Haraldur Gústafsson:

Thanks for the link! I put it in my "favorites".

AD:

Yes, that's the same rifle; and the price is fair. P, PSS, I think they're the same except bbl length. My older model has the 24" bbl. The newer ones have a 26".
 

Paul M. <prmayne@ala.net>
USA - Friday, February 11, 2000 at 10:04:04 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.2.27.137)

Was wondering if it was worth sending the rifle to them or if I should go with another company.

Any suggestions on other companies that will do the job? Not looking to spend $1500 more on the rifle; have a lot of other firepower that costs $$ to shoot as well!!

Thanks in advance for your help!!

Krom
Krom <krom22@yahoo.com>
Vermont, USA - Friday, February 11, 2000 at 10:13:30 (ZULU) (your host address: 198.133.22.71)

There are several sites that use/sell moly products , mostly in industries, that don't sell to the public. Dow-Corning comes to mind, they have a product "Z" that is great and has no graphite added as do some moly products. Contact Dow and they will tell you who will sell to the public. Then there is "Kal-Gard" which does sell to the public. In fact they have a whole line of gun related moly based products. I should have read "JT's" how-to-make-a-link but....

Last but not least... I wonder if G. David Tubbs has quit using moly ? I don't think so !! Anyway, that's my $0.02 worth... for now !! Any questions, Please email me.
OUT HERE !!
Will <rogue308@mindspring.com>
USA - Friday, February 11, 2000 at 11:10:51 (ZULU) (your host address: 199.174.146.184)

Dave <dave@broadsword.com>
San Jose, CA, USA - Friday, February 11, 2000 at 17:44:06 (ZULU) (your host address: 198.133.22.74)

Sniper weapons are different and Molly stinks for these. Not a no it all, just a guy that has used them a bunch.

Undude/Mike
MikeM <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Friday, February 11, 2000 at 18:07:48 (ZULU) (your host address: 152.163.201.203)

2800 fps with 220's! Hot Damn! That is cooking......

Is that a std cut chamber or "match" type? neck diameter????? What primer / powders are working well for you? 4831SC?

Keep us informed Un-Dude!
 

Chao!
 

peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Friday, February 11, 2000 at 18:31:51 (ZULU) (your host address: 152.163.213.54)

But, regardless of who you have do the action work on your rifle, just consider this: How well does the rifle shoot now, and how well do you expect/demand that it shoot after the work? Are you using the best ammo you can now, and have you eliminated other variables, like crappy scope, loose rings/base, shooter flinch, stock to barrel contact, etc?

If your rifle does not meet your requirements AFTER you have done all the basic things to test its capabilities, then maybe the action work is warranted. But, I bet you can get a new barrel installed by Pac-Nor in Oregon, for about the same money as Arnold Arms will charge for their service.

Here's my philosophy: NEVER change your factory rifle until you have thoroughly and fairly tested its ability "As Is". Unless you just want to spend some money, then knock yourself out. (No, that's not a sniper-fu reference, you fisticuff fans!)
 

Wills <wdayton@thegrid.net>
Radioactive, CA, USA - Friday, February 11, 2000 at 20:02:34 (ZULU) (your host address: 206.14.52.225)

re: Arnold Arms. In discussions with another (un-named) gunsmith in the same geographical area as AA, he gets alot of work from customers who were not completely satified with the work. Conflict of interests you say? Fair question, but I consider the source credible since his clientel consists of the benchrest/precision oriented shooter in the Seattle area.

Buyer Beware!

Curious George <cg@ibm.net>
Emerald Ciry, WA, USA - Friday, February 11, 2000 at 20:13:15 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.13.226.16)

If a guy is happy with his Ruger and it works for him (like me), so what?
Maybe thats what he likes and all he can afford. Remember people, we stick to gether or well fall one by one!

Wise up.
PJC <PJC5252@aol.com>
USA - Friday, February 11, 2000 at 20:34:33 (ZULU) (your host address: 205.188.198.41)

Stay away from cam nets - they snag just about everything in (and out) of sight. They are noisy, and uttery to 'man made' (shine, texture, color, etc.) They 'work' on large kit more to conceal the exact contents under than to hide it from view. They same goes for making a net ghillie by tying or stiching strips to pieces of jungle hammok. If you haven't had any formal training go get the Ultimate Sniper and read Maj. Plasters hints - or get the video. And if first you don't suceed relax they are very time consuming (never done).

The suspicious side of me always asks myself why people without formal training need or want one, but I always try to assume that it is just an innocent little private who really wants to be Mr. Keen and Gung-Ho to get posted into a recce (recon for y'all) pl or sniper det.
 

Kevin <kevmich@cadvision.com>
Canada - Friday, February 11, 2000 at 23:13:09 (ZULU) (your host address: 207.148.132.218)

Portholes <sissy95119@yahoo.com>
USA - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 00:26:23 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.247.149.2)

I have found that to be consistant, I need to always approach the desired setting from the same direction. For example, I turn the focus knob all the way toward the closest (ie toward 0 yards) setting before moving to the setting I want. I believe this problem could be due to play in the internal adjustment mechanisms, but I do not know.

I have noticed that if I do not do this, I observe parallax at my setting for 100 yds when I adjust from the infinity direction, but have no parallax problem at the same setting when adjusting from the zero side.

A while back someone commented on a similar problem with elevation settings, but I don't remember the details or which type of scope.

Finally, I'd like to all thank the "regulars" on this site - I have gotten a lot of great advice here, especially in the reviews (Scott), in related links (like Gooch's article on Mill dots), and offline (Pablito). Thanks for taking the time to share your hard earned experience!
 
 

Ken Finlon <kenneth.finlon@prodigy.net>
West Palm Beach, Fl, USA - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 00:40:10 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.252.225.18)

PJC;if it wasn't for you Ruger owners getting abused us Savage owners would have to take all the crap,and a Ruger that you shoot is better than a Remington(or any other brand for that matter)that you don't.

How about that there Leica compact LRF anybody got one yet?I saw that SWFA moved delivery back a month.
Bruce E <bgenlvtex@aol.com>
Texas, USA - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 02:16:24 (ZULU) (your host address: 152.163.197.64)

Belay that last thought! You are very welcome on this site! I agree totally with Bruce-this site is open to anyone, and even if you weren't in the Marines, you'd be welcome. I 'spect you'll be even MORE welcome since you were a jar...er, Marine, and I'm sure you'll have something you can contribute. I am a police officer, and possession of a ghillie doesn't raise my eyebrows (in and of itself) anymore than ownership of a gun, something of which our Canuck friends may not be able to relate to. I don't know Kevin's credentials, but he's not even a regular, and certainly doesn't speak for all Rosterfarians.

Give it another try; I haven't found a better site on the web for this type of info, and if you hang around, I think you'll agree.

David Kiser <kiser403@mailcity.com>
NC, USA - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 03:28:08 (ZULU) (your host address: 207.203.13.151)

Unless someone else posts an update, I'll give them a call on Monday and see what's up and then post the info here.
Dave <dave@broadsword.com>
San Hozay, CA, USA - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 03:51:57 (ZULU) (your host address: 204.156.152.47)

Good Luck
Sean <macdelta1@webtv.net>
Houston, TX, USA - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 04:14:42 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.240.200.116)

Whats a 3531? Been awhile.

MM, Get a grip. Its thinking like yours that caused us to KICK YOUR COUNTRY'S ASS out of here. Unlike the sheep over there that are happy to be RULED we Americans defy rulers and the reason we have our Constitution set up the way we do is so that we can overthrow oppression when it occurs. Most of the good gene pool left over there in the 1700's and took up residence over here. I sat behind some Royal Army types at an awards cerimony in Cananda once and when the bag pipes began to play one limey looked at another and commented "Somebody step on a cat?" I guess Brits have an aversion to the pipes since almost everytime they heard them some Highland Regiment was fixin to kick off on thier ass. Hell your country can't even make a decent beer. Gotta go to Ireland for that. Oh thats right your country is taking over Northern Ireland again isn't it? Just can't give up that "Empire" huh?

By the way I am of partial UK (Irish, Scottish and a little British) decent and I still think you suck. I think you brought out the Irish and Scott in me.

Love,

Kent Gooch
 

Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 05:18:01 (ZULU) (your host address: 129.71.17.145)

I was more jumpy that the MM type would be asking a type of question like that to prove we are all blood thirst savages.

As for MM I am not going to do some Brit bashing - just thoght maybe our resident Brit could go look up Mr. MM and take him up on his offer :)
Kevin <kevmich@cadvision.com>
Canada - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 05:38:12 (ZULU) (your host address: 207.148.136.63)

Thanks,

Scojo
Scojo <scojo@techie.com>
USA - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 06:39:02 (ZULU) (your host address: 158.252.53.214)

Sneakin' up on these critters, makes a stalkin' an OB with 7x50 bins, feel like walkin' up to a blind man.

Pablito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 13:19:57 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.249.180.139)

Anyway, back to shooting..........

I found out that we are adding another 500 acres to our hunting lease and I may now have a 2000 yard + clear shot. Yep, you're right, pondering a 50cal! Need suggestions on a reasonably priced, decent quality for the money 50cal. Don't want a kit gun or any thing like that and from what I have seen, can't touch a semi. Guess that leaves me in the single shot catagory.

Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 13:32:25 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.138.45.242)

Those of youn'z looking for another source of single and repeating .50 cal rifles - checkout:

608.849.5800 State Arms Gun Co. (50 Cal rifles) Klaus Horstkamp

Haven't had anything done by him - but he checks out very well. Also makes a rifle that chambers a wildcat round made of a .50 case necked down to a .375. Say's it shoots flat as an ironing board out to about 1100 - after that is where the .50 really starts to shine.

Anyhow - check him out....

Ken :)

Ken Hunter <ImpactArea@snipercountry.com>
Nokesville, Va, USA - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 14:03:44 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.84.196.60)

I have no problems relating,I love the shooting culture.Just so happens most of the voters live in big cities and don't give a rats ... about me.

Kevin

You live in this town and don't drive a 4x4, shame on you. Drop me a line, maybe we can get out to that 900M range of yours.OH by the way,tried my hand at a g-suit two other buddies wimped out and bought thiers.
 

vince <vincent300@cadvision.com>
Calgary, Canada - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 16:54:19 (ZULU) (your host address: 207.148.129.10)

Maybe this should be under the banner of "Not so Subtle Psychology".

Clinton's Legacy won't only be profaning our nations capital by allowing some piggish looking (my opinion) intern allegedly blow him in the 'Red-Light House'. Nope... How about a continuing legacy of subtly influencing the press long after he is out
of office?

Now you tell me...

If you were a young person who made their living from using their mind and the English language to convey and communicate with masses of others and you were assigned to be a reporter at the white house what would you most fear?

New computers? No... Losing the white-out? Naw.. no typewriters... Having your cell phone go offline? No...

Or would you most fear being unable to concentrate and then losing your job and livelyhood?

What if EVERY day that you went to work you had to work in an office where you were constantly reminded of another person with a job similar to yours who had his livelyhood ripped from him? Would you be predisposed to look for quick and easy ways to keep this thing you fear from happening to you?

Enter Bill Clinton...
Have a look at:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/369083.asp

Today "PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON led the
testimonials as the White House press
briefing room — the often televised site of
presidential statements and the daily grillings
of the press secretary — was named in honor
of Brady, who was President Ronald
Reagan’s chief spokesman."

According to the article:
"Clinton praised Brady for turning his
own suffering into a crusade against gun
violence that has made the nation a safer
place."
Emphasis added.

Wonderful quotes like:
‘Jim Brady is living proof that you can’t
kill courage, that it takes more than a
cheap handgun to destroy a strong spirit.’
were reportedly part and parcel of this orgy of stupidity.

Now back to my original point. If you were an up and coming reporter who already worked for an institution (mass media) that has a definite predisposition for being anti-self-protection and anti-gun and you had to enter hallowed halls
at the Whitehouse every day and sit in a room named for one of your own who had been 'crippled by an evil-handgun' wouldn't it sway you just a little? What would you do the next time it was time to report on the President's anti-gun
(anti-liberty) proposal?

Would you call into question its constitutionality or might you. as a fresh faced young reporter who was fearful of losing your own abilities, spin the story just as the administration wished?

Is there nothing sleazy that this administration wont try?

The cowards in congres who didn't remove Clinton when they had the chance should in my opinion be totally and completely humiliated and ashamed of themselves and their abject and total failure to do their duty to this country.

I'll say it again this election WILL make the difference of where our country goes. Please DO GO VOTE even if they have to wheel you in on a stretcher.

Charles

JT - Speaking only for himself. <tenarius@memorableplaces.com>
CCCPalifornia, USA - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 18:58:17 (ZULU) (your host address: 204.156.137.61)

Ken :)

Ken <ImpactArea@snipercountry.com>
Nokesville, Va, USA (By Grace of God) - Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 21:05:01 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.84.196.60)

CJ
CJ <T18man@gateway.net>
NEW CASTLE, DE, USA - Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 00:30:20 (ZULU) (your host address: 38.30.231.220)

What is more shameful indeed is what happened in the impeachment, and the subsequent vote.

What is most shameful is that if there is a single reader of this D.R. who believes in the 2nd Amendment and the U.S. Constitution in general, who voted for Clinton. Any of you out there? Care to explain why?

And for those of you who blame ourselves for these sorts of people getting in office, and eroding our freedoms, that is a crock, unless YOU voted for them, or unless YOU didn't vote at all.
Wills <wdayton@thegrid.net>
Radioactive, CA, USA - Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 03:04:38 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.162.49.35)

Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Colatown, SC, USA - Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 14:37:24 (ZULU) (your host address: 24.31.213.119)

Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Colatown, SC, USA - Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 14:37:24 (ZULU) (your host address: 24.31.213.119)

Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Colatown, SC, USA - Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 14:37:25 (ZULU) (your host address: 24.31.213.119)

I am not sure about the production quantities and dates on the 788 in 7mm-08, the 788 rifle was made for a number of years, I belive from the late '60s up until about 1984. It has long enjoyed a reputation as being a very accurate rifle, especialy for the money. I belive more than a few budget-minded benchrest shooters used sleeved 788 actions to build some very effective guns. The only downsides to this rifle are:

1) Remington factory parts support ended some years ago.

2) The rifle is somewhat frigile and doent like to be roughhandled. In particular, the bolt handle can be broken if worked rapidly and violently, snd owing to caveat 1) above, you may have a hard time replacing it.

3) The action design offers weak initial extracton of the fired case, required you to use full-length sized cases for reloading and that you maintian a clean chamber. Otherwise, you risk stuck cases.

These concerns aside, they can make very nice hunting or varmint rifles if treated with appropriate care.

HTH!

-Tom
 

Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Colatown , SC, USA - Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 14:47:36 (ZULU) (your host address: 24.31.213.119)

AIRBORNE!!!
Tony W. <gtw90@gateway.net>
Murfreesboro, Tn, USA - Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 14:49:50 (ZULU) (your host address: 63.26.5.35)

A: The President who followed Bush.
TonyY <ayackowski@rcn.com>
Iselin, NJ, USA - Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 15:16:24 (ZULU) (your host address: 32.97.88.100)

When will the Sniper Rendevous events be posted?
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 15:30:12 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.138.191.140)

Stez <stezzly@aol.com>
ks, USA - Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 18:29:12 (ZULU) (your host address: 171.225.167.36)

Has anyone tried the Federal GM308M3 load with the 155gr MK bullet yet? How does it hold up past 500yd? Does it like the 1-12" twist in the Remington barrel? I haven't been able to find the stuff in stock anywhere, and I'm dying to try it.
Bullpup <blackstratguy@excite.com>
Rochester, NH, USA - Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 19:55:52 (ZULU) (your host address: 207.180.179.81)

Has it been dropped.
 
 
 

Chris
Chris <cafarr@excite.com>
New Zealand - Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 21:54:07 (ZULU) (your host address: 203.97.45.169)

Also, does anyone have a form they use for recording load data? I've tried finding one on the web to no avail. If someone could scan their's and e-mail it to me it would be very appreciated. I'm not experienced enough to be able to organize my own in a usable fashion for reference. Scott Powers mentioned creating one for distribution on this site in one of the articles, but, I can't find it.

Thanks. E-mail replies O.K.
 

Paul M. <prmayne@ala.net>
USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 01:33:28 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.2.27.181)

David
David <btn4ch@aol.com>
USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 02:30:08 (ZULU) (your host address: 165.166.46.114)

I have a simmions pro50 scope that I put on A savage 110fp tactical 308. I used Leupold Mounts and rings but for some reason I can not zero the rifle. I put it on a bore sight and got it zeroed but it will not zero on paper. SO I tried looking down the bore and ajusting still to no avail any suggestion these are both new items and I am really frustrated.
Owen
Owen Foster <Sigma53@yahoo.com>
Amarillo, Texas, USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 03:36:08 (ZULU) (your host address: 207.16.165.26)

Gents, If you are looking for PSS's please look at our website at www.gun-fun.com or call 850.769.4495 and ask for Mark or Zack.

We just got some more 700P's in stock. I know we have at least one LTR in stock and one .300 Win Mag. The rest are .308's

Tell Mark or Zack that Cory refered you.

-OR- Call the store on sunday between 1200 to 1800 central and I can deal with you direct.

LATER!!
Cory Wilson <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
Panama City, Very Dry Florida, USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 04:04:58 (ZULU) (your host address: 158.252.73.70)

MM, I have been to your country, what a filthy third world little piss hole you live in. I see now that it is probably attitudes like yours that brought you from a world empire to a stinking socialist backwater full of sheeple. Bend over and bleet like the sheep you are,'cause if you think you are safe because you gave up your guns, you have a ROYAL screwing coming. No pun intended. SO, shut up subject and bow down. Your liberty and freedom are probably about to get the big black jack boot up yer limey arse.
 

Cory Wilso <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
Panma City, Florida, USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 04:31:30 (ZULU) (your host address: 158.252.73.82)

MM, I have been to your country, what a filthy third world little piss hole you live in. I see now that it is probably attitudes like yours that brought you from a world empire to a stinking socialist backwater full of sheeple. Bend over and bleet like the sheep you are,'cause if you think you are safe because you gave up your guns, you have a ROYAL screwing coming. No pun intended. SO, shut up subject and bow down. Your liberty and freedom are probably about to get the big black jack boot up yer limey arse.
 

Cory Wilson <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
Panma City, Florida, USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 04:31:57 (ZULU) (your host address: 158.252.73.82)

Swarowski scope !

sounds like you have a ZF 69, that should belong to a Steyr SSG.

I will have to look this up, but I am pretty sure that the "windage" marks on the reticle are 5 mil intervalls like on our G-3 scope.The vertical post should be 1,5 mil at the bottom, and if I am correct it should have a ,75 mil "rooftop" at the topmost flat.

The windage clicks should be 1 cm at 100 Meters, and there should be a BDC up to at leat 600 Meters if I remember correcly.

The slotted screws, there may be up to four on the windage side? are the scope "clutch", you loosen these to zero the scope. (Austrian zero distance is 400 Meters with a maximum spread of .... 20 cm !!!)You may have to loosen the elevation BDC to lower your point of impact as well. The caps are then (when zeroed) best pulled off and slid on again.The windage at 0 (have to zero this on a calm day) and the elevation at whatever distance you zeroed at. Tighten the clutchscrews again, done.

I will scan my pile of books for a picture of the reticle, but I am pretty sure they should have 5 mil intervalls. Go out and check them yourself with the formula: estimated (better known) width of an object in M, x 1000, divided by the width of the object in Mil´s = distance to object in M.

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torsten <7.62@lasercon.de>
germany - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 07:37:16 (ZULU) (your host address: 193.159.89.221)

Somebody probably baited us just to get a rise, but JUST IN CASE, heres my two cents worth:

MM:
I have three words for you-World War Two.

Everytime you DON'T walk down "Hitler Road," or DON'T visit your friend in "Goeringshire," or DON'T drive your London made VW over to Nazi headquarters to register your double barrel shotgun you get to check out once a year to shoot, you can thank an American with a big gun. To say otherwise is pure fantasy.
 
 
 

David Kiser <kiser403@mailcity.com>
NC, USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 08:45:12 (ZULU) (your host address: 204.255.136.176)

PS: In case I don't talk to you again, Happy Fourth of July.
David Kiser <kiser403@mailcity.com>
Big Gun, NC, USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 09:04:47 (ZULU) (your host address: 204.255.136.176)

Cheers,
Stephen <donnasch@octa4.net.au>
Australia - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 11:13:19 (ZULU) (your host address: 203.21.6.48)

Frank <kubikari@goplay.com>
Coquille, Or, USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 15:43:54 (ZULU) (your host address: 204.214.112.135)

Dave <dave@broadsword.com>
San JOse, CA, USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 17:29:52 (ZULU) (your host address: 198.133.22.93)

Who else makes a quality 6x with mildots?
Jim Mitchell <james_mitchell@merck.com>
NJ, USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 17:29:52 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.20.190.1)

Regarding the British largest, unsinkable aircraft carrier, I think that Torsten might be referring to that large landmass that had
so many sorties of B-17's take off from it during WWII.

JerryK
JerryK <JerryK-one@Juno.com>
So., CA, USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 19:19:10 (ZULU) (your host address: 207.94.87.152)

Annoyed and insulted
Matt

(However, Pat and Frank I'd buy you a beer!)
Matt <MT@mtwilks.fsnet.co.uk>
UK - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 19:21:14 (ZULU) (your host address: 195.92.198.77)

Please try to attend. The meetings are free to NRA members. No press or media will be admitted.

This message may be cross-posted, as appropriate, in order to spread the word of these meetings to NRA
members in the areas of the meetings.

Meeting information follows:

Wednesday, February 16, 2000
7:00 P.M. to 9:00 P.M.
San Francisco, California

Airport Marriott
1800 Old Bayshore Hwy.
Burlingame, CA. 94010
 

Thursday, February 17, 2000
7:00 P.M. to 9:00 P.M.
Culver City, California (Los Angeles area)

American Legion - Post 46
5309 South Sepulveda Blvd.
Culver City, California 90230
 
 

If you live any where near these 2 locations GO GO GO !!!!
get of your couch you lazy beer drinking gun shooting sheep abusers :-)

Scott Hannah <hannah@slip.net>
Los Gatos, Stalinfornia, USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 21:29:03 (ZULU) (your host address: 198.22.121.116)

A. Which would be better, for any reason, the long action 110, or the short action 110?

B. I hate to further the debate between .308 and 30-06, but which would be better for long range accuracy? I've heard that the .308 is more accurate, but I've seen data that shows the 30-06 is less susceptible to crosswinds.

I'd appreciate any comments anyone would have on the matter.
Steve <bfdorau@students.wisc.edu>
USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 21:36:09 (ZULU) (your host address: 144.92.44.76)

Repost - Does anyone have a form they use for recording load data? I've tried finding one on the web to no avail. If someone could scan their's and e-mail it to me it would be very appreciated. I'm not experienced enough to be able to organize my own in a usable fashion for reference. Scott Powers mentioned creating one for distribution on this site in one of the articles, but, I can't find it.

Thanks. E-mail replies O.K.
 
 

Paul M. <prmayne@ala.net>
USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 22:00:14 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.2.27.189)

BTW-Important tip: DON'T try to out drink a Scotsman!!!
David Kiser <kiser403@mailcity.com>
NC, USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 22:54:44 (ZULU) (your host address: 204.255.136.25)

For the guys that asked, Tactical Shooter has the articles on the Nighthawk, McBros, and HS Precision Rifles.

Undude/Mike
MikeM <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Monday, February 14, 2000 at 23:28:30 (ZULU) (your host address: 205.188.193.164)

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