Sniper Country Duty Roster

May 01, 2001 - May 02, 2001


I have finally had NUFF'...........
I am fixing to resort to the "Dreaded",Red Loctite 271........
Heres my rub.....

Every time I shoot one of my riffles.....the darn Badger mounts LOOSEN up......

I'm talking from 65in#'s to 20-25in #'s.......

I know you should check all your hardware prior to commencing fire....but this has happened on this one rifle.....3 times now.
It's on a Badger 20moa base, and it's good to go....

I mean, it's a .308 for cryin' out loud....
Any comments, suggestions BEfore I break out the GOOP.....
This same rifle , and ring combo cost me some REally good groups at a precision rifle class.

Two Shoes
Torque challenged in Tejas.....)):
Terry <>
USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 00:10:09 (ZULU) (your host address:

Again I am looking for email contact concerning rifle config./calibers suited for hunting Elk. Also interested on what stock config the HS on the Stealth is- does it have the palm swell or the sporter grip? Thanks.
Bill Moore <>
Goodview, Va, USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 00:41:09 (ZULU) (your host address:
Bill Moore...

The Winchester Stealth stock is made by H-S, with the aluminum block... wide forend, standard (no palm swell) grip... it is the very famous "Marksman" stock that Winchester designed about 70 years ago, and is still one of the most used target stocks... it has been copied by McMillan, and others... you will love it.

Two Shoes...
Try "Blue" before going to red. Red is very serious stuff (don't come out)... blue is damn good, but can be removed.


Pablito <>
One MatchKing... one Kat!! in the, USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 01:13:23 (ZULU) (your host address:

Sounds like that hardware(through bolts)are stretching. This happens with all fasteners to some degree.I think I'd ask Marty for some more bolts and nuts clean them with brake cleaner and torque them up dry.Or I could be full of crap.
Bruce E <>
texas, USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 01:24:57 (ZULU) (your host address:
I have a small feeding problem with my months-old PSS.

It seems that the process of boring the chamber at the Rem factory has left a sharp edge or burr at the corner where the end of the barrel meets the edge of the chamber. As I feed rounds in, the edge of the chamber digs into and catches the shoulder of the brass as it's entering the chamber, halting forward progress, and shaving off a small amount of brass when I force the round in. There are two small scratches left on the shoulder of every piece of fired brass.

Anyone have ideas as to how to remove this edge and cure the feeding problem without major disassembly?

MikeL <>
Brew City, WI, USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 01:53:51 (ZULU) (your host address:

Kevin (Andy's dad),

You Definately gotta BTDT contest thang going,

'Course never know whos gonna appear with a fresh "Carlos Match" tee shirt for not only Friday night (pre-match whoop dee do ), AND also each day of the event, and show you up. hee-hee

Speaking of which - Sniper Foo shirts?????????? Where can I get one?


PS The 1st Sniper Rendezvous tee's are gonna be trendy again this year to according to the local fashion mavens. ;-)
Nyah-Nyah City, By-Gawd, USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 01:56:41 (ZULU) (your host address:

PeteR: BTDT? - enlighten the tersely challenged ;)

ken hunter <>
nokesville, va, USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 02:41:13 (ZULU) (your host address:

Jefe: Oh, I thought you were down there representing the country's largest hiking club. Working for a private outfit must be a welcome change.

The social scene sounds refreshing. As my dad says, "Free love and nickle beer or free beer and nickle love; It's all the same to me."

CDC' <criscurt@g foedu>
USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 02:58:22 (ZULU) (your host address:

Mike L,
I think this will cure your problem, go to the hardware store, auto parts store, etc....get some wet/dry 600 grit paper.

Get an old aluminum cleaning rod joint, (approx 12-14"'s long.)
Reverse tape the w/d sand paper, in about a 2" wide strip, and wrap it around the rod.

Chuck it into a VSR drill motor, and insert the sandpaper into the chamber......

Run the drill motor around 500 rpm's, and have enough paper on the rod, where it basically fills the chamber area, concentrate the pressure on the area with the burr.(stay clear of the neck area, and don't even get close to the rifling area).

This should smooth the burr out enough to get you fixed up......
And it will not damage the chamber at all, unless you go slap dab nuts with it.......

600 grit is very slow at removal, and I think this will take care of your dilema.

Gent's, thanks for the advice on the Badgers.....I was funnin', I know to steer clear of Red's almost like death and taxes.

Bruce E, I thought the same thing, at first....then I figured if Badgers bolts were that soft, they would be POOP, and no one would ever buy them.

Especially after this has occured 3 times.

Our own Mr. Bruce Robinson, has made me see the light.......
What is happening, is the base screws, are not completely bottomed out, and even though it SEEMS tight, it's really not.

Meaning my scope base is moving..............(on the front end).
This is causing the nuts to loosen up,( the front one more than the rear), constant vibes when shooting.......

I will remedy this lil' problem tommorrow.........

Thanks for all the responses on and offline............

Two Shoes
Terry <>
USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 04:05:35 (ZULU) (your host address:


Interesting posts...

Two Shoes, shouldn't your missive on Badger mounts loosening have been labeled "Torqued Off In Tejas"...? Can understand your consternation.

On shooting Schools...

Brother Bravo has it right. Go to as many as you can afford. Be selective. I've trained with a great many of the "names" out there and can say that I have learned something from all of them.

As an instructor, myself, there are certain things I look for in courses. Content is one. I tend to pick things up very rapidly. The course can only progress as fast as the slowest student.

Professional demeanor in the instructors and staff. If you see a hint of ego involvement I suggest you walk away. Pride of instructing is different and should be visible. Techniques tought for "cool factor" will get you killed, worst case, or fail when needed...

Dedication. This goes back to demeanor. If the guy is there picking up a pay check it will be evident.

Use the same weapons as your students. If revolvers are mandated then, by god, use one and excel with it!

Make sure your equipment is up to the task. If you go to a $1,000.00 school with poor or malfunctioning equipment you will NOT get the most out of the experience. Buy the best you can afford. Be prepared to pay for ancilliary equipment. Whether it be holsters, magazines, etc. DON'T "cheap charlie" it! As I tell my basic students: What is your life and that of your loved ones worth? 'Nuff said.

Lastly, as an instructor, leave the pipeline open. I view all my students as "family" and tell them that. Consequently, I get calls, e-mails, etc. asking my advice and staying in touch.

Guess, I'm just a big softie, but it feels good to have a student call you and tell you what they learned just pulled him/her out of a bad situation.

Rambled on enough...

Semper Fi,

(Sometimes the instructor, ALWAYS the student).
Wes Howe <>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 04:17:18 (ZULU) (your host address:

I don't know how handy with tools you are... but a 5/8ths" or 3/4" dowel, with a 45 degree cone on the end, and some oiled #500 or 600 carbide paper, will lap the edge just fine.
You just want to break the sharp edge of the chamber... 5 or 10 thou is enough. Keep the paper out ot the chamber... if the burr is "IN" the chamber, you need a new barrel

Remember to flush the action and barrel with gun cleaner (or paint thinner) when you're finished, and then oil it... if you're not comfortable with doing it... take it to a 'smith. This is not a disassembly issue.

"Sniper Fu" Tee shirts...
Torsten had a contest a few months ago for a tee shirt logo for his sniper babies when they gradumated... the winner to get a couple of shirts.


Pablito <>
One MatchKing... one Kat!! in the, USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 08:55:50 (ZULU) (your host address:


Been Thar - Done That! +BTDT

You know like the dozen or so You and Tony have, + Sinisters "Marcos room" full of them. Speaking of which where is Sinister Dave?

I have heard rumour of a catwalk at the Rendezvous this year, you know a right said fred "I'm too sexy for my Tee" thing - HA!


Make sure you pray for peteR, its once again "Qualification Week" which means more range time, and those friggin smarty pants type PHD yo-yo written tests......

Big City, By-Gawd, USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 10:54:37 (ZULU) (your host address:

Take your rifle to a smith and have him find and remove the burr that is causing the scratches because it may not be a burr at the end of the chamber. I have found burrs in other places that do the same thing you are asking about and using a drill (lito you cannot get a 3/4" dowel in the action) and sand paper you are asking for problems.
Just my two cents worth.

Jerry Rice <>
American Canyon, CA, USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 13:34:04 (ZULU) (your host address:

Good morning all!!

I have a question regarding MWG scope mounts and bases. What is the general opinion of these products? There is a very small amount of information in the "Hot Tips & Cold Shots" section but more is better. Also, I called Mounting Solutions Plus and asked a few questions and something that caught my attention was the fact that the through bolt/recoil lug in the rings are ground flat only on two sides. I know that GG&G are square and I believe the Badgers are too. Thoughts on this? Thanks for the info.

Anyone attending the Garand Match at Camp Butner? Check out the match schedule, throughout the year they have Long Range matches as well. Everything from Service Rifle to any gun, any sight.

Semper Fi,

Paul <>
No-VA, USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 14:11:57 (ZULU) (your host address:

Paul..... I have a .308 PSS/LTR with an MWG one-piece base and a pair of MWG low rings mounted on it. I've never had any problems with these mounts - easy to install, easy to lap, and puts the scope nice'n low, just where I like it. Price was right, too! I also have, and use, bases and rings from Badger, Smith Enterprises, GG&G, and Dan Ross. For me, each has its place and specific use. The only complaint that I've ever had is that one particular brand used to supply base-to-receiver screws that were too long and bottomed out before they secured the base (many of you know who they are) but that was a very minor problem for me to correct. I was lucky enough to be pre-warned by an old post on the Roaster! As far as the square vs. two flat sided ring thru-bolts, I've never been able to fault either one. I'm sure no 'smith, scopemount designer, or engineer, but IMHO, one would think that the flats on the recoil surfaces would be the ones that really matter, at least until you get into the BMG level of recoil. Again... I don't think that you could go wrong with any that I've mentioned, as long as they are correct for your application!

PALISADE, COLORADO, USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 15:43:30 (ZULU) (your host address:

Pablito, your advice is very close to what I had pictured in my mind, only I was going to use a 45 degree cone shaped fine grinding stone sized halfway between the chamber and the bolt, on the end of a wooden dowel, and turn it by hand a little at a time until the brass stopped hanging up. And then I was going to point the gun downward and flush the crap down the tube with a spray can of Gun Scrubber followed by bunches of patches.

But advice from a rifle builder, especially one of Jerry Rice's caliber, is not to be ignored. He makes a good point - I think I know where the burr is, but I don't have a bore scope to make sure that's what's catching on the brass. To the smith it goes.

Doh! I just called the local smith - it'll take a couple of weeks.

I may give that stone a couple of gentle well-oiled finger turns before turning it over to the smith. The weather is just too nice now to part with the gun that long unless I have to.

MikeL <>
Brew City, WI, USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 17:19:44 (ZULU) (your host address:

Anyone have any experience with the Swarovski/Barrett 10x42 50 cal rifle scope? I have a couple Swarovski hunting scopes and they are of good quality both in optics and mechanics. Is their scope adaptabile to other than 50 cal ? Target knobs or just 50 cal BDC?
TonyY <>
Woodbridge, NJ, USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 18:59:41 (ZULU) (your host address:
Hogs, and Hogette's..........
A run down for all you non PRO's out there.


Badger rings, loosening up.
Gent's, as expected, I pulled the sucka down today.
Examination revealed, what Mr. Robinson suspected, the FRONT screw on the Badger mount (A standard Rem SHORT screw), IS too long.
Although appearing to tighten fully, left a not tightened base front.


File off approx 1/16th, and then it will not bottom out.
Base second screw, use ONLY a Badger screw here also, OR the Rem short full length model.
Rear screws, use ring mount screws, as these give you more TPI, and will not come through, and are longer than the standard Badger's.

These mod's, and Loctite (NOT Red 271), will, in conjunction with using the LT on the ring nut studs,should keep this from being an issue again.

Lest you think I'm stooopid, I have used these rings, and bases on several rigs.........this is the FIRST one I have ever had this anomaly to show up Caveat Emptor!!!!!!!!

Thanks Mr. Robinson, for making MY neighborhood a pleasant one to dwell in again.

Sir Wes, NOW, I'm not torqued off in Tejas!!!!!!!!

Two Shoes
Terry <>
USA - Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 22:58:23 (ZULU) (your host address:


Sounds like your father is an ex GI and a wise man to boot!

I am happy as a clam down here, workwise and everything else. Nothing like NO INCOME TAX (legally) when you work overseas.

Picture this too: Sitting in the movie theater watching American movies in english with spanish subtitles (great for learning). A bunch of well endowed, white blouse/black mini skirt wearing chicas come down to your seat and say "Good Evening Sir; would you care for anything from the bar?" They don't mean snack bar, although they will do that too.

Besides, something about Infantry squads patrolling the downtown area seem downright homey!

Jefe <>
Colombia - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 00:38:54 (ZULU) (your host address:

Just wanted to put the word out about some upcoming training to be held at the BadLands Tactical Training Center. June 21-24, 2001 we will be conducting a Basic Long Range Precision (Sniper) Rifle course.June 25-28, 2001 an Advanced Phase I course will be held, and July 11-15, 2001 we will be conducting a Advanced Phase II course. A word of warning to all potential students for this course...Be in FAIR SHAPE !! Just a few topics from the course curriculum - Sniper Team movement techniques, Land Navigation, Operations of a TOC, Stress Shooting. This course will concluded with students going through a 36 hour continuous FTX! For more information, email me offline or visit our website(Click on my name). Take care and good shooting to everyone!
Bobby Whittington <>
Grandfield, Ok, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 01:07:10 (ZULU) (your host address:
Forgot to mention, the instructor for the previous mentioned classes will be SFC (recently retired) Steve Suttles, Former Marine Corp sniper in Vietnam (63 confirmed) and instructor for the National Guard Scout Sniper School.
Bobby Whittington <>
Grandfield, Ok, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 01:09:52 (ZULU) (your host address:
Jefe: Not quite. Dad was Navy. He was a gunner aboard the Mighty Missouri during WWII and had a front row center seat for some vast and mind boggling spectacles.

CDC' <>
USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 01:23:44 (ZULU) (your host address:

Tony Y,

The Swarovski scopes w/ballistic reticle are geared to the 29" tube of the Barrett 50's shooting the M8 AP round. Of course at the prerequesite 59* F at sea level, your actual miles may vary with highway driving, yada yada.

In different locales your actual drop will vary a tiny bit. I compensate on my 82A1 with a slight holdover and holdunder at different ranges.

As to working on other .50's, mount it and shoot it and see what happens. I've never tried it on anything other than our .50's. Saw one mounted on a McBros repeater w/33" tube. Never had the chance to ask the owner if it worked for him.


Are you still going to the Ft. Drum shoot?
Tony <>
Murfreesboro, TN, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 02:56:42 (ZULU) (your host address:

Tony (50bldr)...

Yup!. I just got in, and there was one spot left (which is now filled).
I made up the first set of test loads with 750gr A-Maxs... with 218 thru 230grs of H-50BMG powder...
... man, those 6" missiles will give a guy a case of insecurity ;((
I should be shooting it in a week or two... I promise you will hear about it ;))

Pablito <>
USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 03:14:09 (ZULU) (your host address:

Looking to scope up a new SR25 (heavy target model and 24" barrel). I have M1-16X without mil-dot on my three tactical rifles (6mm Rem, .308 and .300 WM) and this scope has been hard to beat for long range shooting.

SEALS have gone to a lighter 20" barrel on their new urban rifle with the Leupold 3.5-10X mil dot long range scope. Apparently this was selected for light weight and the Leupold cam was adjusted to reflect the lower MV on the new rifle.

Purpose of rifle would be to extend tactical capability with rapid ranging capability, provide some form of BDC adjustment but retain some sort of target turrets (like M1-16X) for more precision shooting if required. Weight is not as critical as SEAL spec. But would like to maintain more precision capability.

I am really looking for advice and suggestions on quality or design features of the major scopes available. I really do not like BDC systems as the MV of a Federal 168 is HIGHER than the 2600 fps cam adjustment set by Leupold. Have looked at Springfield and that system is set for 2550 fps. According to KMC, the MV of this rifle would be around 2750.

16X power is terrifice at 400 yds, adequate at 600 and starts to fall off at 800 or more. I think 10X would start to be limited at 600 yds.
If anyone might provide references, experience or thoughts, I would like to establish a dialogue. Thank you.
sy308 <>
buffalo, ny, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 03:26:39 (ZULU) (your host address:


Got news. I have found financial backing for the International League of Riflemen. We will be incoporating it into a 501(c)3 organization and we will be planning a series of bolt action precision competitions across the country. Guess what? Anyone eligible to join a CMP club can shoot. So unless you are a member of an organization that advocates the violent overthrowing of the govt or are a felon come on down! We are also looking at a rifle competition for hunting rifles. You know those bolt guns without 2" diameter barrels? Yeah those ones.

We will also be conducting the Super Sniper Shootouts for police and military. By the way is up.

Membership will include a newsletter, a email address, maybe a hat, etc. Got to flesh out the details but unless we have another recount in Florida it should go.

Hope to be up in a month or so. Be the first on our block to join up. Watch on for more action!

Cool shit also. Met a gal who just finished reading "93 Confirmed kills" and works for the VA. There is a God.

Gooch <>
USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 04:25:50 (ZULU) (your host address:


"... there are certain things I look for in courses. Content is one. I tend to pick things up very rapidly. The course can only progress as fast as the slowest student.
Professional demeanor in the instructors and staff. If you see a hint of ego involvement I suggest you walk away. Pride of instructing is different and should be visible. Techniques tought for "cool factor" will get you killed, worst case, or fail when needed...
Dedication. This goes back to demeanor. If the guy is there picking up a pay check it will be evident."

AMEN to that. And not just training like we're talking about here, but ANY training. Whatever the training scenario , those comments of yours is spot-on. The "web development" training I'm undergoing right now is an excellent example.

Fortunately my company is paying for the training, and they decided where it was to be done, otherwise I would have raised a lot more hell than I have already. The training is just not up to standard, but with them insisting on after-hours (their money, our time - we are being re-skilled), the current place is actually the best of the bad.

But, to give you an example. ASP - Active Server Pages. This is the technology I'm re-writing the Roster in. On the documents sent out before it say "ASP & Advanced ASP". Yet the instructor ("I'm here for the money"-type - and actually acknowledges it!) admits that he doesn't really know much ASP, and that he has already taught us all he knows. That is after I started asking some questions, trying to understand some stuff. I am sure that, after this LONG-weekend's sitting with ASP and the new Roster, I already know more than he does.

What makes this sort of thing so frustrating is that work expects us now to be "experts".

But in any case, I have learned some, and now know enough to get myself off to a start - sometimes that's all that is needed.

Enough off-topic rant for now.

HOGS, look out for questions about what you want to see, what you are willing to do (in terms of posting etc.) during the next couple of days. I want to get the first iteration up over the weekend. Ken has agreed to give me a seperate area to play in, so I don't degrade the site's (and probably others as well) performance while I'm playing/learning.


Marius <>
RSA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 07:31:24 (ZULU) (your host address:


While the SEALs may have special ordered cams (if you have money, or "jooce" you can get anthing you want), I can assure you that the M3-LR, 3.5x10 that the rest of the military, and everybody else uses, hasn't been changed.
The issued 308 cam is for the new M118-LR round, and tracks the 175SMK at 2885.
There is a special order ($35) cam for the 168SMK at 2600, which is a nice, easy, target load.

If you find that 16x is terrific at 400yds, and just adquate at 600, you might look into having the power raised by Premier Reticles... thay will kick it up to 32x, which should take you out to 800yds with comfort.

I like 10x myself, but I don't shoot well enough to justify the higher power scopes.

Pablito <>
CATS!!! The other white meat! diner in the, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 10:17:44 (ZULU) (your host address:

Sy308 & Pablito:

Seems like you'd have real trouble with mirage distortion with powers above 18, 20x. I know there are days that with my 10x scope- I think there are fish swimming inside of it - because of the mirage being really heavy.

Enjoy all this daylight hogs.

BTW - I had someone mention that the term "Hogs" meant "Hunters Of Gunmen"..... interesting... man - I've been too sheltered all these years....

Ken :)

ken hunter <>
nokesville, va, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 10:29:06 (ZULU) (your host address:

New Duty Roster

Question #1

this is the first in a number of questions I'll be posting regarding the New Roster - if such will be created in the end. Depending on the answers, it might not even be worth it to do - especially this question.

When posting, we all (well, most of us) reply to a number of different messages, about different subjects, in one post.


How would you feel about being restricted to one subject (thread) per post?

This has a number of advantages.

There are other benefits as well which I can't think of right now, but will hopefully become obvious once we're there.

Some changes will be made to the normal Roster, and the Reverse Order one as well (Yes, these will stay - we'll just be adding a third one for those so inclined!)

I think this is enough for now, and I hope this comes out like it should - else I'll have to edit it tonight to fix it :-) Everybody as confused as I am right now? :-)

Please answer the question here, as I'd like others to have an opportunity to respond as well to be able to see a sort of common concensus.

Marius <>
RSA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 10:44:58 (ZULU) (your host address:


I like the way AssaultWeb has their threads set up. If you know which thread you like to view, you don't have to wade through all the other stuff to see responses.

Another alternative would be the way the old FALFiles and the Barrett www.board is set up. You need to take a look at it also. Similar to what is in place here, responses to a particular thread go directly underneath it, but you can quickly view all ongoing threads. Thread start,
Next oldest thread
Take a look at those alternatives.
Those type boards lend themselves to easier pic posting also.
Tony <>
Murfreesboro, Tn, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 11:46:21 (ZULU) (your host address:


I meant GI to cover all branches. And my hats off to him and the Mighty Mo.

Good reminder sometimes. So much BS between services sometimes; they all are the best in the world at their specific mission.


You still alive out there?


Great comments by all. And I probably overlooked it, but one of the most important factors for me is that the instructors have "been there and done that." I always got a kick out of this one guy who had gone to a 2 week sniper course in which nobody failed almost 15 years ago. He never did anything after that for training and it wasn't his duty slot and somehow became a "Sniper God" and instructs all the time now.
Jefe <>
Colombia - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 12:36:47 (ZULU) (your host address:

Am I seeing double, or what??......
M118 cam @ 2885?????????.........
Sheesh....barrel burner, may as well go to a 300 WM

Two Shoes
Terry <>
USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 13:00:19 (ZULU) (your host address:

Ladies and Gentlemen,

This is my first post so please bare with me, I am one of those people for whom Bill Gates put a spell-checker in MS Word.

Now for why I am here. My friend and I will be attending Storm Mountain Training center's Long Range Rifle One this summer and we are looking for any advice on what to bring and what to expect. SMTC does a pretty good job of explaining it, but we would like to find out more information. We realy want to get the most out of this class so please help us and guide a few young pups in their training.

Semper Fi,

Emmett Harty
Emmett <>
UCONN, CT, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 13:22:37 (ZULU) (your host address:


You wrote:

"The issued 308 cam is for the new M118-LR round, and tracks the 175SMK at 2885."

Is 2885 correct? I haven't read/heard a great deal about this new round and I am curious if this is correct or a typo. Seems fast. Thanks.

Semper Fi,

Paul <>
No-VA, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 13:31:34 (ZULU) (your host address:

To all,

Sorry for the echo to Two Shoes. "Snuck" in on me prior to the refresh!!

Paul <>
USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 13:35:46 (ZULU) (your host address:

Training: First thanks for the kind words Bravo. I appreciate that. I wish I could spend more time teaching and will when I retire from LE but for now its just a few civilian classes a year with James and the rest to cops on duty.

Jefe, I dont know which teacher you are talking about with the two weeks and no more thing but hell that could be many of the FBI, or local cops. Many departments think you give a guy one or two weeks of training and they know it all. My department has sent me to one to two weeks of training on sniping every year for the last twenty. I leave next week for two with the USMC. Thats how it should be done for cops. It takes my pushing and some backing from command level for this. I just agree to pay for it and they give me duty time and ammo. We then have quarterly qualifications for the line guys. They all get 40 hours to start and 40 hours a year of training. Hows that sound for LE. By the way I know of no living Sniper God do you?

Gooch great news on all counts.

CDC had the same thing from the rip off artists. I just replied to send the money in a shoe box and I would keep it for them. I signed it E.S.and D. That was the first time. The second time I just replied "You have reached a none working email address for the FBI"

On sandpaper in the chamber. I would go with Jerry Rice on this one.

Scopes, the new US Optics scopes I mentioned before are almost ready for testing. I may have one at Pendelton next week. very excited about this one. Also working on a 1MOA adjustment NXS 3.5x15x50 Scope from Nightforce. I will let you guys know if I get one and how it works.

MikeMiller <>
Calif, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 14:22:24 (ZULU) (your host address:

Re: Assaultweb boards

I am a moderator on Assaultweb (Hard Rock). I prefer the way the boards are set up there due to the fact that information doesn't scroll off but can be archived and sorted much easier. It is also much easier to locate replies and new posts with out scrolling through the whole list to see references and so forth. The draw back is if you have a large amount of forums, the whole thing can become moderator/administrator intensive.

If I can be of assistance with this, let me know.

BCR #226 <>
USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 14:39:36 (ZULU) (your host address:

Guy's....... I, too have received two e-mails from this Nigerian scam artist. I replied with a message that if I got but one more message from him I would find out where he lives and visit his loved ones for a 'cultural exchange'. I didn't specify exactly what kind. At first, I thought that was targeted at people on this site...... but check out the "Dilbert" comic strip in today's newspaper. This scam must have grown to National proportions!

Gooch..... great news! FWIW - count me in on 'Riflemen". BTW, I sent an e-mail to Andy Weber right after reading your post last week (about the Moisin's) but so far no response. I'm not ragging on you at all, but if you happen to talk to him - you might drop a friendly hint to him that he should respond to his sales inquiries a bit faster. It's only good business!

Jefe...... sounds like you're having a blast down there. A good friend took a gig there a couple of years ago and wound up going native;-))

PALISADE, COLORADO, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 15:07:28 (ZULU) (your host address:


Sounds like a choice job! What is the market like for security consulting? L.E. is too P.C. here in California.

Semper Fi!

Bad Karma
Bad Karma <>
USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 16:03:46 (ZULU) (your host address:


I hear you on the 2 week wonder issue. We spoke of that in an email a long time ago when I sent you that course outline I wrote up for the NESPAC course I set up.

Sustainment training is where its at and schools certainly don't hurt. But what I really like to see is field time. Real field time and the more the better.

As far as sniper gods, that was sarcasm. As was said anyone who portrays themselves as such is suspect at best by default. However, there are a few guys I know who are as close as you get.

Finally, all good snipers have a God looking out for them. Just my opinion. He's the one who gets me home when I stagger the streets of Bogota.


The security business overseas is pretty good. If you have been LEA for a while, I suggest you try contacting DynCorp. Last I knew they were snapping up cops left and right for the Balkans and Haiti. Good money too.

Good Luck and let me know how it goes if you do.

Jefe <>
Colombia - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 19:12:37 (ZULU) (your host address:

Marius, I like that idea about the new roster. If it's anything like Beartooth bullet's forum, or's Marlin Talk, it would be able to weed out the stuff that isn't necessary, and be able to go straight to what's relevent to your situation.

Keep up the good work, God Bless
Ben <>
USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 19:44:50 (ZULU) (your host address:


How are you getting training from the USMC? What happened to the ban on LE getting training from the military. Last thing I knew all LE had to go to Army MP school for military training.

Gooch <>
USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 20:57:18 (ZULU) (your host address:

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Ken fixed the only thing that was broke (passwords)... the rest is fine.

> Question

> "How would you feel about being restricted to one subject (thread) per post?"

HA!!! You gotta be kiddin'... I'd go into shock ;)

I spend some time every day, reading "Biggerhammer"... and it takes forever to go through the posts... the Roster is fast, and I often read stuff that I would pass on, if it was under a "Thread" title.

Yeah, yeah guys... I should never type before having coffee, especially on Wednesdays :((
It's 2685... (twenty six, eighty five ;)


Pablito <>
CAT... The other white meat! diner in the, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 21:49:53 (ZULU) (your host address:

Marius: I'm with Leetle Pablo. The Roster seems to be working fine. The boards with the thread dealies have no soul.

CDC' <>
USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 22:40:05 (ZULU) (your host address:

Gooch, hard to get in but its caled Joint Use> I traded some Urban Sniper Training for getting into the class. The USMC was interested in how Police Departments do the sniper thing since they are doing more and more Police like work in bad places. Knowing the right guys helped also. I wanted to learn the USMC Stalking techniques
MikeMiller <>
Calif, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 22:47:59 (ZULU) (your host address:
We KNEW you meant 2685.............
We's just a funnin' wid ya'..(:

Marius, I am with lito' on the Roster, you go to the different site concept, and it seems to stop the dialouge( er', I mean arguments!!!).

This is one of the few sites where you don't spend forever looking for something, just pull down "Find in top window", and you are at least close.
And you also can see what's new in five seconds, instead of five minutes.

On the Nigerian scam artist, they caught the guy's front men in the states, Kaweeesi imfumin', and Tedward Skinnedy......
Illicit fund raising for HCU, and the Demoncrats............(;


Two Shoes
Terry <TLS8323@CS.COM>
USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 23:03:12 (ZULU) (your host address:

Lemme get this straight!

"Joint Use"... is that when you do a stalk in the "Wacky Weed" fields, north of L.A.?

"The USMC was interested in how Police Departments do the sniper thing since they are doing more and more Police like work in bad places."

Are they going to the "Blond Ghillie", like you'z California guys?

"I wanted to learn the USMC Stalking techniques."

But they blend in with the scenery, and you make a fashion statement... and they don't rattle ;)

You're a real piece of work, my friend... can you break free, and come to the Fort Drum match... the long range part of it is 2000 meters.
Longest match you'll find, and it'll give that little Barrett a chance to stretch it's legs.

I agree with CDC and Two Shoes ;))


Pablito <>
CAT... The other white meat! Goes GREAT in Chilli, with a beer, in the, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 23:24:02 (ZULU) (your host address:

Marius, FWIW I like this roster very much- as is. I agree with 'Lito, unless the author titles the thread well- I don't read it.
Guys, I am getting the shakes- my money heads for Georges place this week for my new M1A!
Bill Moore <>
Goodview, Va, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 23:31:06 (ZULU) (your host address:
Good Evening Hogs,

FWIW, I too prefer the current format. The various cross-topic exchanges are sometimes at LEAST as amusing as the data is informative!!! And it doesn't take forever to see who is up to what, etc, like the "thread" type format...with a measly 26.4k connection (phone lines in the dang sticks and no DSL available), I appreciate the browsing speed.

The current format is unique and kind of makes the Roster the treasure chest that it is.....contributes to the "pub atmosphere" if you will.
Could you imagine if they remodeled your favorite corner pub, and they made a separate room for each drink? Does that analogy translate, or have a been working too much lately? LOL

Also FWIW, I am going to have outgrown my single stage press before the summer is out I do believe!!! Never thought I would dig it so much. And shooting alot more too, when time permits.
Iron to the fire at the loading bench tonight...

Take care everyone and shoot straight...
Geoff M <>
Beautiful Wisconsin, USA - Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 23:48:53 (ZULU) (your host address: