Charles Hunt-sign me up for a slot on those border retirement cantinas.

WR Moore          
Saturday, July 4, 2009, at 15:53:23 (ZULU)

I mentioned a while back that I'd won the LTW prize package at AmericanSnipers.org.  I'm rethinking my ambivalence toward 1911s now!  In that package was a pair of Steiner 10x42 binocs.  My initial impression was that they were good glass, but closer inspection revealed bubbles in the reticle focal plane.  This displeased me, because I've never seen anything like it in the several binocs that I own.  I returned them under warranty and just got them back.  Well, not "them" them, but a new replacement pair.  I'm happy with the glass now.  Not happy that I had to pay shipping on them, both ways.

Lito, what sort of process could cause bubbles on the reticle?  That's not something I would expect from high-dollar glass.  Is this an indication that the process is not up to the promise?

Mike

BMG Mike          
People's Republic of Austin, Texas, - Saturday, July 4, 2009, at 15:41:03 (ZULU)

HDR          
OK, - Saturday, July 4, 2009, at 15:39:26 (ZULU)

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway          
The rainy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Saturday, July 4, 2009, at 14:51:35 (ZULU)

Yeah, What he said...

UnPat

UnPat          
Wi, USA - Saturday, July 4, 2009, at 12:12:47 (ZULU)

* made me happy.  Happy 4th of July to all of you desperados out there in SC land!!!  I hope you all get to share picnic/BBQ/parties with family and fun friends!

* Cracked me up.  "To those who voted for Obama..."  That's like most of my friends, maybe I'll pass along you good wishes! :D

NEW EDIT:  You guys might have an idea for a Hallmark greeting card. "Lost your job?  Going bankrupt?  Voted for Obama?  FUCK YOU!"

* Impressed me.  I don't think I have the attention span to read Dante's Inferno or Atlas Shrugged!  How about a new level to those who want sheep for citizens and take away ancient .22s from old ladies in New Orleans!

Again I hope all of you have terrific WX, food, drink and friends.  I'll break squelch later tomorrow after I leave my comfy lup!

Kathy          
Smogland, CA, USA - Saturday, July 4, 2009, at 12:11:15 (ZULU)

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY, y'all!

   For those serving, I'll try to enjoy it extra, for you, and remember you while I'm doing it. For those that have served, I thank you for making sure I'm allowed to do it.

   For those that voted for Obama..... FUCK YOU.

Travis Morgan          
Wichita, State of Distress, The country formerly known as the U.S.A. - Saturday, July 4, 2009, at 10:17:26 (ZULU)

   If nothing else, for the $8.99, it's gonna keep me in reading material for a while. Also picked up a copy of "Dante's Inferno", another classic I never got around to.

Travis Morgan          
Wichita, State of Distress, The country formerly known as the U.S.A. - Saturday, July 4, 2009, at 10:00:30 (ZULU)

>"He's sort of a skunk-scented Yoda."<

You crack me up!! :)))))))))))))))

-

'lito

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, July 4, 2009, at 04:31:29 (ZULU)

ROD I am impressed (Clickapoo). I LOVED E.E. Doc Smith's novels in 6th grade.  His descriptions were so 30's-40's like, two ships locked in battle. Round after round of explosive copper exploding on the nose of the opponents each creating a coruscating display too much for the human eye to tolerate (to the effect of, just from memory).  The funny thing is that as I think back on it there are some similarities with you guys. Remember when they went to the planet so advanced in mechanics that they had a telescope with hundreds, maybe thousands of precise gears so they could look into to the heavy planet bad guys?  

Reminds me of some of you guys' gear.  I'll bet I had a little boost from those books when I first heard of Barnes X-bullets haha.  Then there was a scene where beams would ionize a path (in a vacuum?) so that lightening could cross.  We studied something like that during SDI.  Even at that age, I just couldn't get by Ether.  Also by the 4th or 5th book I couldn't suspend disbelief anymore, I mean where can you go when you've got essentially a supernova surrounding two ships?  First book, loved the idea of the multiple projectile rifle (M-203 w/ shotgun included!)

Lensman.  I do like the ring to that.  Apropos.

Kathy

p.s. I am completely out of 30-06 nuts.

Kathy          
Saturday, July 4, 2009, at 01:28:34 (ZULU)

OldBill          
Vi Vis Pacem - Para Bellum, - Saturday, July 4, 2009, at 00:54:57 (ZULU)

Duman:  Just clarifying because you know this.  "the force" in this case is your conditioned response to the desired sight picture.  'yotebait is the first one around here who called it that.  He's sort of a skunk-scented Yoda.

CDC'          
Saturday, July 4, 2009, at 00:19:58 (ZULU)

'Lito is the Lense Master - trust me.  

Does that make him a Lensman? {grin}

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lensman_series

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, July 3, 2009, at 23:49:38 (ZULU)

Good discussion on trigger-pull/anticipation/freeze..... getting the right dialogue on the descriptive nature of the issue is a good start.  Trust the force, I must.... (with apologies to Yogurt).

Had a Harley rider harrass me, towards the end of my 25-mile bicycle ride.  Told me to get off the road, "... you dumb sonofabitch..".  Another middle-aged-biker-poser.  He wouldn't stop when I asked him for a more thorough discussion of his issue.  I hope to see him again....

Duman          
Friday, July 3, 2009, at 21:05:01 (ZULU)

NarcS - Ball and Dummy was my favorite and most humiliating (in the humble sense) exercise I would do with handgun, what a great idea.  I used to put 1 or 2 dummy rnds in a magazine, but 3-5 is a great idea for a different sense of training!  Gotta try it with rifle!  In fact, I just have to do a lot of dry-firing anyway.

b.t.w. know Leroy Pyle? - great guy!

Medicjim - dissolves the coating??  Could it possibly maybe be like darn forgot the cleaner, but if you used it on glass, it would look like it etched it.  What happened was that it left crystals of non water soluble stuff on it.  If you hit it with a slightly acidic solution, it would take it off.  But, you know - I believe you.  Most 'green' things don't work as well (like Freon substitutes) maybe they put ingredient 'X' in which sounds scary!

'lito - Cool the lenses!  "Master" :)

Kathy          
Ellay, CA, USA - Friday, July 3, 2009, at 19:42:16 (ZULU)

medicjim          
Friday, July 3, 2009, at 16:53:51 (ZULU)

  MarcS and Charles:  Glad you two are ok and vertical.

 Duman: Same s*** here as far as avialability and steep prices. At least it is available.  People won't pay those prices forever and the market will correct.

 California economy: They are paying the piper for there politics and social conscience.  When I lived there, it was painfully obvious that you cannot have 5 million people paying into a system with 30 million taking from it.  The US is in the same boat, but, as the govenator pointed out, California cannot just print more money, unlike the federal government.  

Happy 4th to all! Hopefully this great country can stumble through the next 233 years.

Pat II          
Friday, July 3, 2009, at 16:52:09 (ZULU)

It isn't very exciting and it does feel like work but nothing helps me more than that excercise.  

NarcS          
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Friday, July 3, 2009, at 16:37:06 (ZULU)

First, get a box of plain, boring tissue paper that doesn't have any additives in it (like skin softeners :((

Put lenses to be cleaned in the fridge for half an hour - take them out, breath on the lenses and softly wipe them with a clean tissue... repeat until clean.

If that doesn't do it, then the film should be able to be removed with a soft tissue and a drop of dish detergent and alcohol.  Put one drop of dish detergent in a saucer and three or four drops of denatured alcohol - mix - touch the tip of the tissue in the mix and clean the lenses.

Then clean the detergent off with repeated applications of the tissue with just alcohol... when you have done this for a while, then put them in the fridge for a half hour - take them out, breath on the lenses and use dry tissue to finish up the effort.

-

As to the bins - the Swaro and the Nikon EDG (you ARE talking about the EDG??) will definitely kill your piggy bank for this month ($$$ OUCHIE)... at this level of optics, the differences are not optical, they are "How you like them", and brand loyalty.

I would suggest that you get both (HA!!) from a dealer that will allow you to return the ones that you don't like... I mean $2,000 for a small set of 8x or 10x bins - you damn well better LOVE them. :)))

I am not a fan of roof prism bins - there are too many compromises in the designs, but they are small and handy in a mountain pack.

-

'lito

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, July 3, 2009, at 14:27:59 (ZULU)

I found part of my issues related to the noise/blast.  Using double hearing protection (plugs and muffs) helps.  Good way to help preserve your hearing too!

I can call my shots, but I blink afterwards, so I can't readily follow the sight/crosshairs thru recoil.

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, July 3, 2009, at 12:05:16 (ZULU)

That sounds pretty convoluted, but it isn't as stupid as a first reading would suggest.

CDC'          
Friday, July 3, 2009, at 09:30:23 (ZULU)

Remember the old "Zen of Tennis."  He had an exercise where he'd get the students to let go and just watch the ball bounce up and down, over and over, than just sort of automatically take swing.  Brian Enos had something similar.  In pistol, I switch to a heavy barreled .22 and just watch the front sight go up and down.  Very relaxing.  Also tells me when my grip is good since it neither freezes or takes a multiple loop to relax back into alignment.  Maybe same for rifle?  Oh well, without the expectation of having to train to a particular standard for the match - it would be worth shooting the .22 just for stress relief and regaining some of the joy of shooting!

That's my 0.002 cents worth from a pistol shooter's view.

The force is strong in that one it is...

Kathy

Kathy          
Banos, CA, USA - Friday, July 3, 2009, at 08:57:27 (ZULU)

Calling it is part of it, but there are things going on that I have never seen written about or heard discussed.  In this case I shot several .300 rounds then tried to shoot a sporter weight .308 from the sitting position.  I didn't simply alignin my NPA and my desired point of impact then press the trigger without disturbing the sights. I lost focus and froze up enough to push the button when the crosshairs were not perfectly aligned.  It isn't a "flinch" and I did call the shots.  And it is not exactly what the Russians call "freezing on the trigger".  That is caused by fear of a bad shot.  This is related to freezing but it isn't freezing.

The trick is to decondition myself.  Dryfire, reduced loads, .22s, .223s and don't shoot anything loud for a month or so.  See what I need to see and treat every shot like my life depends on it.

CDC'          
Friday, July 3, 2009, at 07:58:19 (ZULU)

That crash is still on my mind when I'm driving on these twisty roads. I always get this feeling of anxiety when I see an oncoming car. Today on the way home there were two seperate occasions where I really got an adrenalin spike and my heartrate shot up. Both of those times there was an oncoming car that was coming my way at the apex of a left turn, just as in my accident. I keep seeing that fucking car coming straight at me with an 80 MPH closing speed. I've had this before from other crashes I've had in cars and motorcycles. It's that one moment in time that is so focused and intense you can't forget it. That moment when you know that this is it, this is going to happen to you right here, right now, it's going to hurt real bad and you have absolutely no control over it.

It's a lousy feeling but there is something about it that is, well, I don't know how to describe. I won't call it "fun" 'cuz it aint. Just something that for some sick reason makes me feel like I'm glad to have experienced it and still be alive I guess. I can't explain it.

I notice I'm constantly sleepy. I sleep a full night, hate to wake up, take a nap when I can, still can't wait to get to bed. Never enough sleep. Crazy.

MarcS          
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Friday, July 3, 2009, at 06:30:15 (ZULU)

Pablo:  On your recommendation, I picked up a couple of Monarch scopes.  NIB 2-7s are available on ebay for $180.  My new .280 mountain rifle wears one now.  I was thinking about putting a Zeiss on it but decided to check this one out first.  When it gets here, the 6.5-20X Monarch goes on "The Squeek Monster" which is a Tac-Ord worked-over 5.56 Rem 700.  We expect good things.

The 10X 25mm(?) Zeiss minis I picked up about 30 years ago have a film on the lenses.  How do I remove it?  And what do you think of the very high $$$ Nikon binos v Swarovski 10X ELs?  

CDC'          
Friday, July 3, 2009, at 06:22:33 (ZULU)

CDC:  I like your observations about 'flinch.'  In handguns I'll either see/or get flinch, anticipation, but when I'm in practice and shooting for all x's at 20-25 yds I notice the loss of focus too.  I'm not one of those who can see the brass eject, but I can see a sharp outline of the sight against a flash with the right load.  I'm still trying to figure out what I see with a bolt. I can followthrough well and regain the target quickly, but I just don't know if I can call the shot.

Perhaps to the gods, but not to me.  This is a good group.  For the most part, real gentlemen.  Thank goodness through text and a CRT, I can seem to be whatever one's imagine requires.  To me it shows everyone is young at heart.  The moon is on the wane when there's no interest.  This has been a fun, educational experience for me.  A group with the same interests (but more experience).  That's a gift!

Unlike a meat market, there are no smelly breaths, elbows nudging from friends and unwanted attention.  This is Okay.  Through text, you all seem sharp and therefore young!

Kathy

Kathy S.          
Norco, CA, USA - Friday, July 3, 2009, at 06:14:40 (ZULU)

"A man who does not know his season looks ridiculous to the gods."___Mary Renault

medicjim:  "#5 - You are never too old for anything, the consequences just get more painful"

One of my nephews is an EMT who runs triathalons.  He invited me to climb the Grand Teton (click) in 6 weeks.  I agreed, of course.  

6 weeks.

"Flinch" is too simple to describe the conditioned response we can develop to the pressing of the trigger.  A good gunsmith did some work to my .300 Sendero.  I checked it out pretty comprehensively but picked up a bad habit.  There are about 1000 reduced loads for my beater .308 so I put a 6X loopy on it and went to work deconditioning myself.  The goal is, of course, to see the crosshairs on the point of aim through the fall of the firing pin.  Losing a fine edge on that isn't a "flinch" at all.  It is more of a loss of focus.

After a session of that, I shoot .22s with the kids.  My son has his Anshutz and my daughter uses her Win 52.  I use a Rem 541X with a 541S trigger and a 15X Weaver or a Kimber with a Zeiss Conquest 2.5-8X.  We're having a blast.

CDC'          
Friday, July 3, 2009, at 02:56:35 (ZULU)

Be sure to avoid any form of trauma...nothing works for sure and people screw it up all the time.  I've intubated a guy with no face (I mean nothing)...shotgun blast just made him miserable. Explosives are the same, unless you really know what you are doing...Oh and don't ya know, California just added TNT to it's official list of Cancer causing agents (no, I am not kidding)...and I thought the stuff was perfectly safe.  Ya just never know.

Now, onto the subject of hookers <g>.  I think what you want is called an escort.  Hookers are those dried up, drugged up, Golum like creatures that walk the streets...I wouldn't expect them to honor  AARP Senior discounts nor greenstamps  

On marriage and involuntary celebacy....

IMO, there are some truths that mankind absolutely refuses to face...at least this is how I figure it works...your experiences may be comepletely different....

#1 - Marriage is a bad deal for most, avoid it.  Love, honor, cherish...yeah, right....total BS. If you have to sign binding legal documents, it ain't love, not anymore.

#2 - Getting old sucks, dying sucks more.  The process of dying is painful and unpleasant and everyone is going to die.

#3 - You go around once.... deny it all you want, when you die, the ride is over, your done.

#4 - There ain't no rules to this thing we call life.  If you abide by the rules (you are a slow learner)...and you die unhappy.  The person that pays attention and uses the rules mankind adopts for his or her benefit wins (well, ok, you still die, just less miserable).  

#5 - You are never too old for anything, the consequences just get more painful

#6 - Women do not think like men.  Men do not think like women.  Dealing with the opposite sex requires you to pay attention to the differences, else .....

medicjim          
Friday, July 3, 2009, at 01:40:09 (ZULU)

   That can be even worse for guys; older guys assume you can't possibly know more than them just because of age; no matter that you read the equipment and operation manuals they've been using for a doorstop for the last ten years.

   If you prove you're better at something or know more, you're a smartass kid. THEN you get to hear about how "I've been doing this X number of years, so I oughta know!". Indeed, they SHOULD know! It never occurs to these guys that it's rather sad that they've been there for all those years without improvement or advancement. They're stagnant as stocktank water.

   I guess it's kinda like the shit women have to eat when they take "a man's job".  

Brogers,

   Are you the one that told my wife that shit? She don't give any! It's like only having one restaurant you can eat at, which serves food you don't like, and it's always closed!

   It's entirely too damned bad that I don't believe in divorce.

Travis Morgan          
Wichita, State of Distress, The country formerly known as the U.S.A. - Friday, July 3, 2009, at 00:28:35 (ZULU)

Anyway, Happy Bob...ieuwwwww.  Bad timing.  That guy would put me off men for good!  I think I'll need that old home too. :)

bfn

Kathy

Kathy          
North PMS, Ca, USA - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 23:44:07 (ZULU)

Is it 5 o'clock somewhere yet? You kids play nice while I'm gone!

Oh one more thing for you younger guys. When you get older it's important to adopt a policy if you live with one of the older women. A policy of give and take is what we base it on.  Works like this,"she don't give any and I don't take any. Works real good without enzyte that way.

Jim; you do a lot of "social work". Do you think hookers ever give senior discounts?  I don't know who else to ask!

Brogers          
Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 22:02:52 (ZULU)

Brogers          
Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 21:51:17 (ZULU)

I'm honestly not trying to be cynical or catty.  It's experience.  All of my girlfriends including strippers, ballet principles, Stanford cheerleaders, Coyote Ugly type dancers all say the same thing.  I'm just trying to add a female brain take on this.

I have several girlfriends.  We'll get together and gab when I was up north.  A few of the sexiest young ones had older benefactors.  One or two married older with money.  It can work out as long as the guy realizes that she'll be playing with young hot guys any chance she'll get.  So as long as the older guy is an adult and knew he walked into it with his eyes open and doesn't become enraged, well, I suppose.  I learned not all that long ago there is one huge difference between guys a few decades apart.  The difference is why Enzite commercials are so popular and Gawd I loathe that jingle and goofy looking guy, ieuwwww.

I don't know if that's the way to go, but I happen to know that there are some women who happen to appreciate distinguished, sensitive, intelligent and gentlemanly guys in relatively good shape etc.  

Youth is wasted on the young and as a Greek friend told me "Now there's all the yoghurt in the world and no spoons to eat with."  Believe me, it's worse for women.  When I don't reveal my age, it is not vanity.  For one, in acting and ballet, everyone must lie about their age.  The most important thing is that people (even who think they're open minded about age) who press you, have built in expectations about where you should be in life in a particular decade.  Once you give up information...there's no taking it back.  It gets told, even when complementary, "See, Kathy over there?  It's amazing, she's 200yrs old but doesn't look a day over 98!"

Ick. :D

Kathy

Kathy S.          
LA, CA, USA - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 21:42:02 (ZULU)

Greed is more reliable than the federal government, insurance or altruism.

medicjim          
Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 19:19:06 (ZULU)

Duman; It's getting slightly better around here but same thing on the prices.

Slow day here, everyone leaving for the 4th. I'm going for a drive into the Sierra's where it's cool and see an ole friend of mine.  

Brogers          
Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 19:12:23 (ZULU)

My dealer's shelves now have ample supply of rifles, ARs, pistolas and other such things.  Ammo shelves are ~70% repopulated, plenty of 308 and 223.  Prices are steep, but stuff is available.

What are you folks seeing out yonder?

Duman          
Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 18:36:48 (ZULU)

'Lito,

So did Sis's.About the only good thing to come out of their marriage was the creation of my niece:)

More Kool-Aide:   http://www.firearmsfax.com/

UnPat

UnPat          
Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 18:27:48 (ZULU)

medicjim          
Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 18:25:07 (ZULU)

Brogers          
Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 17:33:27 (ZULU)

I doubt I will because of the weight of the gear and heat out here where they do it and they require you to carry everything from 1k out to 600 yards out during the match but...I may go with him and help out where I can. He's a good shot but not experienced in competetion much. I thought about the .308 and 5.56 class. but so far I've stayed with the open stuff. The wind out here sure makes it rough to train on.

Just been limited to getting things going. My rifle seems to do ok for beginning entry level stuff but I've got a lot to learn. We have some groups at 1k that are under 1moa quite a bit but 5" x rings are pretty frightening to me for now anyway. Good luck though. It sounds like a great project for someone of your ability.

Brogers          
Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 16:03:52 (ZULU)

Kathy you stick around, we are a bunch of old farts and harmless.  I flirt but would not mess around on my wife for anything.  You bring life to the discussions. Hope you make the class.

Now off to a subject we all know I hate politics. So far I see things this way

1. Gas prices are as high as ever

2. Ca. is issuing IOUs and I wonder what my home loan folks will say when I hand them one because State cant/wont pay me.

3.Unemployment is highest I can remember. More and more good folks are out of work because folks off shored manufacturing, stole from investors, screwed the US Consumers and bent over the work force. The persons who did this will get additional government help/money soon.

4. All the thiefs that f'd up our economy and stole our money are still getting our money just this time its taxes we paid

5. The wars have become even more screwed up

6. We F'd over several good contractor companies for BS because it made folks feel better. Some of these "Writers" should see Hell easily once they leave this earth. No explaining the F job done by a few of them to make a name.

7. Gun Owners are once again the bad guys in media and legal circles.  You know in 25 years LE I never once saw a weapon go on a  shooting rampage. I did see alot of nuts who had been arrested many times and let go to fast hurt alot of innnocent folks though.

8. My SUV is evil and the Prius crowd feels important as if they are actually doing something good.

9. Both Democrates and Republican Parties have did massive damage to us all.

Mike/Undude

mikemiller          
Ca, - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 15:43:34 (ZULU)

No snub on my end, just trying to get up to speed with your brand of humor...I catch maybe 25% of it.  I laughed out loud with your "Feral guys - gotta love 'em :)" comment.  You rely on alot of context which takes me time to interpret.  Having never met you, I'm not sure how to interpret a lot of it.

Hang in there, you are welcome here, it's just gonna take time for us to figure you out.

Joe - "MedicJim:  Do you REALLY think the economy is resilient enough to absorb this agenda if enacted as briefed?"

I parse things a little different... Most of the current adminstration's programs are challenging to get going, but real easy to back away from should they become troublesome (hmm, accident?).  You catch that little "see, the banks are paying back loans with interest" quip Obama made?  If the public or Congress yell 'enough!', I see things reversing very fast.  I see the adminstration as 'testing the limits', not committing deeply.  Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not.  I have a genetic predisposition to find a path less travelled.  I cannot help myself <g>. Just about everyone on this site is a maverick and you guys can just barely tolerate me...imagine what it's like for me living in the conformist hub of "New Joisey".

medicjim          
Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 15:07:05 (ZULU)

I was going to have the same thing at my last wedding (#23) - a good friend brought a 12ga SxS...

... but one of the guests was the great ("late") Val Forgett, founder of Navy Arms.  He is the same Val Forgett that was involved with the illegal importation of a ship load of semi-auto AK-47s (that were full auto) some years back :((

He was a pompous ass, and he stopped everything and told everyone that it was against the law to (fill in about 15 minutes of BS, non-existent law)... so it fizzled out.

So did the marriage :((

-

'lito

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 13:15:09 (ZULU)

Maybe he got sick of turning the other cheek. :) Can't say I blame him much.

One of the coolest Preachers I ever met was the one that performed my Sis's wedding.He was a Retired State Trooper.

When Sis got hitched,she was 6 months preggers.I was requested to be an Usher,wich left me the room to play a fun prank on her.Cleared it with the Padre beforehand.

Ceremony was performed to plan,we had about 80 people present in the Church,on what had to be the hottest day of the summer.I sneak out and instead of decorating the car,went to my car and snuck an old family heirloom back into the Church.I had managed to get the photographers attention and filled him on the prank,at wich time he gave me a pair of glasses that were basically two very large bloodshot eyeballs inplace of the lenses.

Picture time at the altar,I grab the heirloom (Granpappy's damascas 16ga side by side)and slip in along side Pops and hand him the shotgun with the action open and the glasses.Dad calmly saunters up to his new son in law with the eyeball glasses on and the open shotgun draped over his arm and with his free hand thumping the grooms chest starts giving my brother in law a verbal smackdown on he how he was expected to take care of my Sis.

The whole place just busted up laughing.The acoustics being what they are in them old churches you could even feel the vibrations from the laughter,The Preacher was in tears from laughin so hard.The photographer got some really cool pics of it all and even got a pic of one of the best "Oh Shit" facial expressions from my brother in law that I have ever seen captured on film.

The Guinness flowed very freely that night.

UnPat

UnPat          
Wi., USA - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 13:04:40 (ZULU)

   Newfies are like cajuns; they talk too damn fast and chop the words up so bad that nobody but other Newfies can understand them, but since they live in such a remote area, they've kinda developed their own dialect.

   It's kinda like the regional acceptability of guns. In Lander, Wyoming, it'd be ABNORMAL to have no guns at all. In NYC, it'd be abnormal to have ANY!

Travis Morgan          
Wichita, State of Distress, The country formerly known as the U.S.A. - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 12:50:35 (ZULU)

I guess there is hope (I'm an eternal optimist)... this week, Obamy's rating went negative - more people think he is doing a bad job, than those who think he is doing a good job... and of course there is that pool of idiots that "don't know" and have no opinion about anything (who ever said that EVERYONE should vote - for WHAT??? - some asshole's smile?

I think he may loose control of congress in 2010 (Please God, I'll eat all of my vegetables if you grant me this one :)

-

Media... if they ever took photos of my basement, the state would cordon off a three block area around my house - I have close to 150 pounds of powder, and enuff firearms to start a revolution in most South American countries.

-

Kat Lady...

There were many attempts to get scopes banned or licensed like pistols, back in the 70's... and it still comes up from time to time in states like NY.

-

'lito

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 11:15:48 (ZULU)

I shot a 300m rifle match (Sierra/ISU).  I know, short range :-)  Still, that's far enough that the projectiles won't all go thru the same ragged hole. {grin}

re: newfie jokes

Every country seems to have a non-urbanized region that they tell jokes about.  Canada's is Newfoundland.  It's mostly done affectionately.

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 11:02:57 (ZULU)

The "old" media is the willing, knowingly complicit tool of the enemy, period.  Stop, end of sentence.      

My "best" idea for a solution at the moment involves a generational effort to get people of integrity, vigor and Constitutional understanding into prosecutorial positions and get corrupt politicians and their minions who corrupt the integrity of the voting process into prison.  I see this as a long shot but ehe alternatives are much uglier.  S/F.....Ken M    

Ken M          
Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 10:24:45 (ZULU)

Mark my words, the definition of domestic terrorist is going to be broadened substantially.  That works both for a government who wants to be the central nervous system and a bureaucracy which wants to be fed dollars.  Remember something called 'Nat'l Entity Studies?'  'Nuff said.

I'm also waiting for any scoped rifle to be called a 'horrible sniper's weapon.'  "Why would you need one of these?" The officer would ask.

Kathy S.          
Grover Mill, NJ, USA - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 09:47:59 (ZULU)

What is the world coming to when a "Pastor" owns icky GUNS! (Eeek!!)  

Especially when they are the favorite of the drug cartel thugs - by the way, what kind are those?... Glocks???  The same kind as most police use - maybe that means that the police really are "Jackbooted Drug Thugs.

I wonder if the pastor's car was a brand or model that is a favorite of drug cartel thugs too?  I mean, that would be important.  But what about if he owns drug thug guns, but drives a Toyota Prius???

Maybe that would mean that he was in conflict with the drug world, and the environment - ya' thunk??

I own a bunch of Lugers, favorites of Nazis - and a bunch of 1911s favorite of the US in WW2 - so what does that mean... that I am at war with myself??

I abso-friggin-lutly LOVE the way the media draws conclusions from thin air (and maybe embellishes it... just a little).

-

'lito

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 09:12:08 (ZULU)

Brogers          
Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 05:51:15 (ZULU)

Be sure to say hello to InSain when you head north....

Duman          
Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 05:37:22 (ZULU)

from Kathy:

Joe and anyone else, no apologies are necessary. I am thrilled that you have someone special!!!  The LAST thing I'd ever want to do is cause a problem in a relationship!  I'd honestly rather just disappear than cause that.  

I'm sure that I would love to be friends with your girl.  Thank you for esplaining what you did.  I was afraid that you and a few others considered me to be a wannabe who read too many novels.  I am NOT a groupie, believe me.  Besides, who would want a girl who would attend an autopsy to see how a round works?

I know that my personality and my sense of humor is not for everyone.  I don't expect for everyone to like me.  I'd rather lurk and learn, but these guys are such fun, that I have to chime in.  I'm just sorry there aren't any of you people near where I live, it would be fun to have coffee and it has been far too quiet around here for me.

This has been a real revelation to me.  I've always communicated with women much more easily.  It's a new and odd feeling.

Best to all,

Kathy

p.s. From a M.E. 1300fps Speer HBWC works on frontal chest shots!!!!  Recovered size was like a quarter, DRT.  Personal experience...they'll penetrate an old model Olds hood at 35 deg (the base would).

Kathy S.          
LA, CA, USA - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 04:50:49 (ZULU)

>>My favorite drink (not mixed) Macallan 18.  I like Highland Single Malts even Lowland (?), Islay is a wee bit to peaty for me...but I don't live freezing my arse off on some little island off Scotland either.>>

Aye, yer a lass to contend with...Myself enjoy a bit of the MaCallan, when times call for it..Talisker if I can find it here..And ya dinnae hae tae be on nae wee bit of isle to freeze your bits off in Scotland.  perfectly capable of freezing tits off in midlothian and the borders..I witnessed in an irish pub here the publican approving Lauder whisky on the shelf as proper scotch..I think it's about 7 bucks a gallon in the states..I now frequent that pub less.

I thought I lost my main cell phone today.  Of all weeks I need it, never, this was one I did cuz it's coming with me to sodak tomorrow...well luckily I have a couple for work, and redirect..Called the number, aha, found you on that charger I swore I'd never forget was there..a couple hours later I check my voice mail..What is this number, looks familiar.  Instead of ringing it, I do a reverse phone lookup on tinternet..Cocoa number..is it ex gf 1, 2, 3, shit...was seriously considering spending money to find out who this was...I mean it wa heavy breathing and all w/background noise, I thought might need servicing, I just need an address.  Finally, said the hell with it and called the number..Yeah, one of my other cells started ringing and vibrating off the kitchen counter..so yeah.  

later

JR          
formerly of Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland United Kingdom - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 03:53:31 (ZULU)

Kathy, if it seems as if I were ignoring you, it's cuz I was.  While I would answer anyone's question that I can in those rare occasions I actually know an answer...I chose to sit out the harmless banter stuff out of love and respect for a special someone.  I'm not a snob; I'm just watching the dialogue from the sidelines.  

As for youz bums elbowing your way across our bar:  Play nice!  No fights;)

JimB:  I saw that bit in the article about the pastor, and wondered what the big deal was about him...one of my chaplains was a gun nut...and it occured to me all at once:  Most sheeple wouldn't know that pastors and firearms aren't mutually exclusive...it also occured to me that people with such a narrow view of gun owners maybe should not be runnig about with badges.  Scary thought that this is not so.  Of course, i also noted that the very data that is supposed to be "one time use" with no record is, in fact, a record.  It was also nice to learn that they found a loop hole in the legislation to exploit.  Ha.  Just don't try that youself at home, eh?

MedicJim:  Do you REALLY think the economy is resilient enough to absorb this agenda if enacted as briefed?  

Joe M          
Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 03:39:24 (ZULU)

Kathy S.          
Trailer in BLM land, CA, USA - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 03:31:08 (ZULU)

I'm still a little timid here, but it's very hard for me want our system not to work.  I've always felt virtual reality would be the worst thing we could ever develop.  TV is bad enough and even from the 'crime wave' of the 80s, they knew how to manipulate the average person's beliefs and fear.  I don't like the weakening of FOIA and non-existence of probable cause.  The DEA is a huge money making machine which will now never go away and it will never win the war on drugs.  Homeland Security will be bigger.  Just wait until other things (spitting on the street) gets pulled into the definition of Terrorism.  I used to think that in 10 years we'll have RPVs up in our skies after they get perfected and are cheaper, but except for sigint, who needs them?  We all have GPS in our cell phones and ATM cards.  

A revolution will give the gov't exactly the reason to create total control...gee, why aren't there many true battle rifles out there now?  Can you imagine how the news would portray that?  I can't say much about something I want to say badly.  Let's say that a guy I know, a member of the Livermore club was asked by you-know-who to spy on them during the press driven 'militia' days.  Oh was he excited...what a jerk (and I'm talking about his personality, not what he believed in).  Strangely enough.  Just normal people there, many from Livermore and all those up market towns; Pleasanton, Blackhawk etc.  He did his darned best to entrap.  Shifty looks, "Hey George, do you know anyone who might, uh, you know, have rubber chickens?  You know me.  I won't say anything."  Grrr.

Point is, if you think the 60s word beginning in coin is not around...well, your life is much happier for it.

what would you think if you suspected it happened before and you saw this? click

kathy          
Edge City, CA, USA - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 01:36:42 (ZULU)

Happy Canada Day "Oh Canada..." that's all I know.  I stayed in Edmonton, AL for a summer and fall.  Wonderful place (esp the Rockies) and people! Came back with an Edmontonian accent (it happens to me fast).  Discovered Tim Horton's, Poutine, Cesears, (peanut butter in the preserve tray?) and the beef there...drool.  Everyone warned me to go away by Oct 31.  I guess that's when the vampires come out!  Canuck snipers did a really good job I hear!

Hey, I know every group has it's butt of jokes, but what's with all the Newfie jokes I heard?

Kathy          
Ellay, CA, USA - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 01:27:35 (ZULU)

"Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time..."

".......Dozens of agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and ""Explosives"" 8^o  — sent here from around the country — are..."

I thought explosives where illegal. ;)

"......the government can’t compile databases on gun owners under federal law.

Agents instead review firearms dealers’ records in person...."

"......They also combined efforts with the Drug Enforcement Administration for an aircraft to stealthily follow traffickers....."

"......Another tip took agents on a 30-minute drive from the shack to a sprawling home with a pool in the back and an American flag out front.

It turned out two handguns, of a type drug gangsters prefer, were bought by a pastor for target practice......"

Can you believe that... a pastor..... with an american flag in his yard... just get the rope!

"......The lamest so far came from a police officer: He said he bought a few military-style rifles, left them in his car and — on the same night — forgot to lock a door. He couldn’t explain why he didn’t file a police report....." DOH!

"of a type drug gangsters prefer" HA

Must be one dem 'Glock 9's' wif da sight thingies on daSide of da slide.  Which dont matter none anyhow cuz when dey shoots it, its held over eye level!

Well, least we know were all the ammo is going!  We need a new bumper sticker.... Build the damn fence, bring ammo prices back down!  

and it will give us a place to hang our targets....

Jim b.          
AZ., You cant win the hearts and minds of the heartless and mindless., - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 01:10:46 (ZULU)

Uh, all Two of us?  Hope you had a good day, Rod.

I'll raise one, and thanks to all who've served.

Sean T          
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada - Thursday, July 2, 2009, at 01:02:43 (ZULU)

Bill:  Bill Jordan, that was stuff I used to read. I had a long action Model 10 once which I WISH I had never sold (wish I had never sold any of my gubs***) oh refering to Mr. Fast and Fancy Shooting

MarkS: This is a bit on the geeky side, but if you took yourself back 5 sec. before the collision and replicated 5000 of you and truck doing the same thing, how many of the Mikes would have been as lucky?  It's a little thing from statistics I learned when I wore a pterodactyl on my shoulder and said "arrrr"  Take care of that neck, you need it for prone!

**Revenge of the Nerds (buuuuurrrrrp)

*** Take the Money and Run (bank holdup)

Have fun everyone!

Kathy          
Toxic Acres, CA, USA - Wednesday, July 1, 2009, at 22:45:46 (ZULU)

I was reading where Bill Jordan drew from a buzzer including reaction time and fired a killing shot in .27 seconds. Anybody ever see that?  I can't even imagine that!

Brogers          
Wednesday, July 1, 2009, at 20:14:41 (ZULU)

Kathy and others its all in fun.  No worries from this end.  Thats probably one of the least ofensive things I have been called.

Lindy, well you have nothing to worry about. I cant spell with out Microsoft and my skin is far thicker than that.  You still shooting every day?

Now lately I have been training several ways for the F TR World  Championships. I really dont want to embarrass myself there. LOL.  

The normal shooting at range stuff and I have been running a dry fire match in my shop every day. Setting everything up and dry fire shooting every round like it was for real. I was shocked at how it actually gets your blood flowing.

I have a seven page list os drugs they will be testing us for. Thank God Advil is not on the list!

Mike/Undude

MikeMiller          
ca, - Wednesday, July 1, 2009, at 15:16:36 (ZULU)

Anyhoo, glad you're still using oxygen.  

Charles Hunt          
Kabul, Eastern Tejas, Afghanistan - Wednesday, July 1, 2009, at 13:40:25 (ZULU)

Bill: You speek English gud.  You sooo smaht.

Kathy          
Ugadouga, CA, USAFie - Wednesday, July 1, 2009, at 11:45:34 (ZULU)

Charles I'm glad your ok after that close call.

Had a helluva weekend. Did the big break up and I'm outta here ceremony with the girlfriend of 12 years- found out the one good job lead I had will not happen- then got into a head on collision which totalled my truck. The other driver said she saw a skunk cross the road so she had to swerve out into me. I said yeah I know skunks do that all the time in broad daylight. By the time the cops got there it changed to a squirrel. Naturally she doesn't have insurance.

I'm just happy that I wasn't hurt bad. I had just a fraction of a second to cut left hard enough for her to hit me in the passenger front wheel instead of directly straight on. Then the airbags popped and I slid down the road in a straight line into the hillside on the opposite side. Lots of witnesses and they all drove away immediately. Thankfully she didn't lie about what happened other than the skunk. I think what she really saw was a laughing leprechaun merrily running down the road. Used up old recovering drug addict type.

The market out here seems flooded with late model, 3/4 ton, 4 door, 4X4 diesel pickup trucks. The possibilities look good.

This weekend we're practicing on Saturday and competing on Sunday in Sacramento, then the big So Cal match will be on the following weekend. I hope my .243 barrel can just hold on for another 400 rounds or so!

MarcS          
East S.F. Bay area, CV, - Wednesday, July 1, 2009, at 06:09:25 (ZULU)

Brogers          
Wednesday, July 1, 2009, at 01:39:21 (ZULU)

Believe me, I'm no femme fatale, maybe in a literal sense if anyone I care about is threatened, like puppy Nelson, claws out.  For looks, my ballet and acting friends make me look like a Chinese Crested dog!

Kathy          
Ellay, CA, USA - Wednesday, July 1, 2009, at 00:35:34 (ZULU)

Lindy          
Creede, Colorado, U.S.A. - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 23:10:00 (ZULU)

I'm pretending that the camping trip's going to happen and it's really giving me something to look forward to! Believe me, I've needed it. God would that be fun!

I LOVE hearing that you're passing along the fun and reality of the sport to your daughters.  When they grow up they'll have a bigger voice because people expect them to say, "ieuwww guns are bad!"  But more importantly, if Michael Myers comes visiting your daughters if he survives the encounter he'll pee and run away.  (Then there'll be a DNA sample from all the exit holes, tissue hanging on the walls and that puddle too + a monster shaped hole in the wall if you remember that old cartoon).  That is sooooo cool and makes me even more proud of all of you and your wives!

Mike - I don't remember you being particularly chauvinistic but, shhh, I'm an anthropologist studying the online tribal behavior of active and ex-practical-marksmen.  I understand there have to be some "Ugh, you Jane" behavior sometime.  Feral guys - gotta love 'em :)  Besides, what's HE?  When I hear HE you can guess what I think...like WP or CS**.  Sigh. "I am a human not a Elephant."

Darren:  Haven't heard from you in awhile.  Many thanks again for your question.  Ah consider it to be a real honor suh (tipping hat and bowing).

OldBill:  Sorry there are different kinds of people that make my stomach ache.  Franken is one of them.

**footnote time:

WP: White Pepper, great in Chinese dishes, CS: chicken fertilizer,

HEAT: feels good when it's cold, Linear Shaped Charge: Really skinny nanny.  Saigon Commando: Guys who wear camo to the range.  REMF: Really Evil Mutha F#$@er, SMAE:  Hood for Smile "Smae' fo' de camera". See?  I do know stuff!!!  Oh yeah Flashbang: Time to smile for the camera!

Yes, I thought a little humor would pull you guys out of the funk you were in.  Oh <evil grin> I could have a harem. j/k j/k  Well y'all A-salaam aleikum <ducking> That's Aloha for "Salami, Baloney..."

Kathy          
PC Land, CA, USA - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 22:35:57 (ZULU)

Now she is asking to shoot her Ruger 10/22 carbine :-) Makes a daddy proud.

Oh, and she knows of the Marine Corps hymm, the first verse anyway :-)

Darren          
East Bay, CA, USA - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 21:13:05 (ZULU)

OldBill          
Vi Vis Pacem - Para Bellum, - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 19:51:16 (ZULU)

Discression is the better part of valor!

Brogers          
Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 17:02:37 (ZULU)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/24/mr-popular-rep-paul-wins-supporters-fed-sunshine/

Anyone notice that SCOTUS ruled in favor of a State's rights case and a reverse discrimination case in the last few days?

medicjim          
Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 15:57:48 (ZULU)

Duman          
Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 14:57:02 (ZULU)

Kathy.  Actually, Paul paid a hooker with a check and it bounced before he even go to the taxi.  She was chasing him with a big knife, he was screaming/laughing down the street trying to get his shoes on.....we were laughing our asses off.  You hadda be there.

Charles S. Hunt          
Kabul, Afghanistan - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 14:48:32 (ZULU)

Next class is August 1 and 2.

Now Bill "Kathy pay no attention to Miller 'HE's' our resident chovanist!:)There is strong contention for the job here or I bet you noticed already"  Thats a bit rough. I obviously dont see men and women as the same and understand we compliment each others differences. I love teaching women to shoot. They listen and tend not to be knuckle heads like men can so easily be. LOL

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller          
ca, - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 14:47:27 (ZULU)

Hmmmm, single malt... got treated by my employer to some 30yr old Glenfidditch at the last Shot Show: smooth like buddah, powerful like Plutonium!

Kathy: "mean"? Too many people just have thin skins. I had a SSG once that refered to me as "Bog-assed Irish". Never took offence, kinda made me proud ;)

OldBill          
VI VIS PACEM - PARA BELLUM, - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 12:33:04 (ZULU)

Chuck,

You are a crack up.  As far as I know there aren't - I guess I can say that.  Just last weekend I was trying to relax at the park with my dog Nelson.  Was there early and had a picnic bench to myself.  Two Korean ladies obviously just from church came by and asked if they could share my bench.  I welcomed them.  Well, there were a whole bus load and they tried to push me and Nelson out.  I lifted my lil pup on the top of the bench, pulled out a pair of scissors from my purse and started to trim all the hairs from around his anus.  You should have seen them glare at me and leave :D I don't know how they knew, but the whole busload glared at me.  One lady made such faces, I thought she should be a Japanese comedian!  It warmed my heart to see my opinions about some Christians justified.

My ex was chased by a liquor store owner with a beer bottle for parking in his spot in a strip mall haha.

My favorite drink (not mixed) Macallan 18.  I like Highland Single Malts even Lowland (?), Islay is a wee bit to peaty for me...but I don't live freezing my arse off on some little island off Scotland either.

I'll take you up on that campfire Chuck.  Let's all have a weekend camping trip.  Did your friend get OB bottles thrown at him? :D

They are descended from Ghengis after all.

Oh gawd, I am not being very nice here.

Kathy

Kathy S.          
Area 51, NV, USA - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 11:03:20 (ZULU)

I hate to ask the obvious question.....but are there any OTHER kind?

I have fond memories of my old Navy buddy, Paul Parker, being chased down the street my a....well, that's a story best told over a campfire and single-malt.

Charles S. Hunt          
Kabul, Afghanistan - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 10:46:57 (ZULU)

>"Lito,

".... slime to none."   LOL !!"<

It was a Freudian slip :))))

-

'lito

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 09:03:17 (ZULU)

I'm strange enough to want to get some hands on fire-and-movement and hall and room-clearing.  Just for fun.  Maybe with air-soft.  Probably comes from being shot at during the riots.  They thought we were all ill-tempered Korean grocers.

Kathy          
PC Land, CA, USA - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 08:27:18 (ZULU)

Charles S. Hunt          
Kabul, Afghanistan - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 07:52:55 (ZULU)

CDC'          
Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 07:30:34 (ZULU)

Well?

CDC'          
Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 05:27:05 (ZULU)

Hey CDC aka Cik * Dkl * Clj -> Dij, Dii=sigma(i), D(ij)=kronecker delta i /= j

Shaggy dog story really.  I bop into a Tac/LE oriented store in Azusa which had some really good AR, tac vest and before the gold rush, a lot of stuff for Picatinny rails.  It's been really hot here lately so I was dressed for summer.  ("yeah, but it's a drryy heat") so I bop in with an almost side pony tail shorts and a t-shirt.  

Behind the ubiquitous glass case near the stock room are a bunch of 20 something football player looking guys acting all smug about being sporting goods sales people.  

I was sort of looking at what was in the case and rack, while studiously avoiding the "I know stuff" look.  A guy in his 50's working there comes up to me after a "watch this" kind of side glance and wink at his buddies all wearing their black whatever polo shirts, they smirk back.  

I'm used to it.  Doesn't bother me.  He give me a big used car grin and asks if I need help.  "Oh, I'm just sort of looking." I said.  He casts another sideways glance at his buddies, gives a theatric smirk and asks me "What color gun would you like."  Everyone half laughing and grinning.  If he weren't 15 ft away from his friends they'd all be high-5ing.  

So I put on my air-head facade (wish I had been chewing gum) and,  "Really?! Wow, I really like pink!"  They begin to act like the Bigus Dickus scene in Life of Brian.  

Completely condescendingly he goes, "Oh, I'm afraid we're ALL out of PINK guns."  Barely keeping a straight face.  I'm still in a good mood and thinking he probably says "clip" too or snaps his slide release on an empty chamber.  I said "Awww" and gave him a good disappointed moue and said "ohh, that's too bad, I guess you don't carry Lady Smiths."  Doubt passed on his visage.  On the glass case for cool points, there was a .223 'sniper' rifle with Harris and synthetic stock w/ Leupold.  "That looks really nice!  Can I pick it up and try it?"  He really looked doubtful.  I picked it up.  Up and shouldered it (w/ my right hand in case there were any ex-Jarheads there) in my best classic offhand (my two-tour Vietnam MSgt hunting partner used to teasingly put a knife under my right elbow).  "Oh, poo, no mil-dots."  Took a full 3 seconds, you could have kept a dime on the muzzle no problem, broke the 'shot'.  "The rifle is really light. I like it except 5.56 is a little short range for me.  Did you know the trigger is kinda heavy and has a some creep?"  Smiling sweetly.  You should have seen the guy apologize.  Especially after I asked if he carried IR filters (he said they're illegal here and I said that's okay, I can make them) for the 6-P or SAPI plates.  I kept the same vacuous expression and clicked my heels all the way out...wiggling on purpose.  There's another story from the range last month.

In Turner's same thing. Then I asked if they had any IR lasers for the rail. Shocked looks.  I have one which can reach out 500yds.  Came from a laser printer.  Can't mount it, so I'll just use it like a commander's pointer so you guys can obliterate the spot :)

I LOVE DOING THAT STUFF!!!!!  Those guys have nooo idea what kind of training I've had tee hee nyaaahhh!

Kathy          
Pasadena, CA, USA - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 05:18:14 (ZULU)

Some companies are looking at Canada as a tax haven from the US!

http://www.financialpost.com/news-sectors/story.html?id=1744591

Hortons move signals Canada's gaining tax appeal

Paul Vieira, Financial Post  

Published: Monday, June 29, 2009

OTTAWA -- In a clear indication that Canada is starting to be considered a low-tax place to do business, Tim Hortons Inc. announced Monday plans to shift its base of operations from Delaware to Canada for tax purposes.

Further, analysts indicate this is also a sign of unease among corporations regarding the U.S. business environment, where taxes are likely heading upward to deal with trillion-dollar deficits and proposed health-care reforms; and the White House is looking to crack down on companies that invest abroad.

   (continued)

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 03:28:30 (ZULU)

Hey Bill!

No, I didn't ignore MikeM.  When it isn't about IH transmissions and lost "710" parts (you do know that one?).  I listen intently whenever there is technique talk.  Mike I am dying to take your class.  I consider the South Bay, (I know Castro Valley is East Bay) home.  No job, and I doubt I can put that and travel aside by that time (or did it pass?).  I really need some feedback on my med-recoiling rifle technique!

I wonder how many rides I'd get with a drag bag on my back?

I just missed Mike's posting.  There was such a flurry of text that I couldn't get through it.  Mike, thank you for the complement, even it it was a question.  I do okay for someone who helped plant Bristlecone Pines in the Sierras.  I do get a little sad if I have a date and all I'm left with is a chewed off limb in the morning :D  But, if I'm the only girl here, first place and last place are the same!  Ever notice in a college shop class, the only female in the class can be very homey and still get lots of attention?  But still thanks!

Generally, it's very hard to talk to the average person about some of the things you do here and my interests.  I've long ago come to the conclusion that I know more about some things  than a lot of guys - right Joe, Bill, 'lito, Mike, Duman etc?  (That's where my ADD took over, I got distracted by my dog)  But NOT about truck engines and all that. zzzzzzz.  Is that good?  I don't know. I'm not as neat as a lot of my friends.  Love cooking.  Hate cleaning.  That's it, I'll live in an old Airstream with 20 cats!  I appreciate all of you guys and the forum where there are people with my odd interests.

I'm glad to hear there is still talk about Libertarian.  That's what I always thought of myself.

Hey, one of these postings I've got to tell you what happened to me when I walked into a 'tactical' oriented gun store ('ships-have-guns' conditioning from an old friend) just to browse.

Best to all!

Kathy

p.s. Re: Strange things in the woods.  Somewhere I have a photo of bear poop in the woods!  Can you imagine that?!  That shows there is a higher purpose.  An extremely long femur when I was picking up shot hulls with my friend for LosAltosR&G Club in the Nat'l forest for PR.  Benton Crossing in mid-California off 395...areas of scores of dead eviscerated cattle.  Take a UV light and walk around the desert at night, you'll be impressed.

Kathy S          
SPas, CA, USA - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 02:18:30 (ZULU)

http://www.military.com/independence-day/the-declaration-independence.html?ESRC=vr.nl

Sharon

Larry J. Porter          
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 01:46:46 (ZULU)

>"What makes you think a Republican led Congress would spend less... recent history suggests otherwise.  "<

Cuz:

1 - Recent history was led by a president with a very serious spending habit - and the desire to please "all the people, all the time"... and the Repubs got their collective asses kicked for it - I expect that IF the Repubs come back - it will look like the 1994 platform... if not, they are finished as a party, and some new party will emerge to replace them.

I would LOVE to see a serious Libertarian effort, but I don't think the party has it in them to do it.  They are terribly disorganized.

They are more lost then the Republicans.

-

'lito

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 00:28:52 (ZULU)

Perhaps it's time to pull the moderate Dem and rational Repubs into a new Libertarian party.  Hey, it's got as much chance as reforming a REAL conservative Republican party

medicjim          
Monday, June 29, 2009, at 21:47:10 (ZULU)

".... slime to none."   LOL !!

Duman          
Monday, June 29, 2009, at 20:33:00 (ZULU)

The legislation that the Obamy crew have already passed will break the finances of the country - if the Repubs can take either the house or senate in 2010, they can be stopped from passing more...

... but it cannot be undone and the spending will continue for years and years.

It will take a "tri-fecta" from the Repubs to undue the damage - and the possibilities for that are slime to none.

The Repubs still don't have anyone to bring forward in 2012, and they haven't started to work on 2010 yet, and that campaign needs to start dame soon... it doesn't look good for 2010 either.

-

'lito

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, June 29, 2009, at 19:52:38 (ZULU)

I don't think the sky is falling...not yet.  I'm of the opinion that it takes talent to really hose the US economy.  I think the system is more adaptive and resilient than others do.  

I do worry about the future, and I have made some moves to position for inflation, but I have not expanded my food reserves to cover a decade yet.  I don't see a collapse of civil society in the near future.

medicjim          
Monday, June 29, 2009, at 16:17:42 (ZULU)

I was with a buddy canoeing on Shasta Lake, northern CA, hot sunny day.  I kept mumbling, "I could really use a beer."

A few minutes later i found, floating in the water, a can of cold Budweiser.  Life was good.  :8-)

In the 80's, some folks exploring the Brazilian rain forest found a Corvair.  Apparently in the 60's, GM had air lifted the vehicle into the forest for some type of publicity stunt.  And left it to rust away.

Duman          
Monday, June 29, 2009, at 16:09:05 (ZULU)

Kathy pay no attention to Miller 'HE's' our resident chovanist!:)There is strong contention for the job here or I bet you noticed already.

Seriously, He's a puppy dog! And you know what kind! He be a sucker for a girl with 2 high capacity clips! :):) I've been told he's a little slow on the reload these days though.  

Undude, I always thought the more I exercised the better it would get but somewhere along the lines there's a point of diminishing returns that I passed about 15 years ago. Good luck!

MGMA  my God Monday already!

Brogers          
Monday, June 29, 2009, at 16:02:20 (ZULU)

   "You know, the sperm wales ejaculates 150 gallons at a time; that's why the ocean's so salty. An the free market economy, after the gold standard....."

   Just pullin' your chain, Joe; ADHD makes those long ones hard to follow.

Travis Morgan          
Wichita, State of Distress, The country formerly known as the U.S.A. - Monday, June 29, 2009, at 15:48:08 (ZULU)

Really like the increase in DR traffic. Reading it everyday and laughing alot. The political stuff still gets me down and sometimes feel the sky is falling but this has been and is still a great place. Kinda the Cheers of shooting forums. Kathy you the resident hotty?  Dont hit me I break easy.

That would make Catman? Norm?  and Stan how do you look with a mail bag?

Now time to run away

Mike/Undude

MikeMiller          
ca, - Monday, June 29, 2009, at 15:28:06 (ZULU)

Looked like it was dropped out of a plane !

Regards,

Steve

Steven Dzupin          
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Usa - Monday, June 29, 2009, at 12:09:06 (ZULU)

Travis Morgan          
Wichita, State of Distress, The country formerly known as the U.S.A. - Monday, June 29, 2009, at 10:24:34 (ZULU)

Got me to thinking; what's the wierdest thing you've found in the woods?

Also, have you ever had an uncomfortable encounter in the woods(as a civilian or cop) IE, thugs, found a dope patch, people screwing, etc.?

Travis Morgan          
Wichita, State of Distress, The country formerly known as the U.S.A. - Monday, June 29, 2009, at 05:41:52 (ZULU)

Travis Morgan          
Wichita, State of Distress, The country formerly known as the U.S.A. - Monday, June 29, 2009, at 00:20:44 (ZULU)

Travis Morgan          
Wichita, State of Distress, The country formerly known as the U.S.A. - Monday, June 29, 2009, at 00:14:12 (ZULU)

Things have gone so out of control. I'm very nervous at the speed at which this bullshit is happening.

Here's the post from Whiskey:

25. whiskey:

Obama Is a Muslim. He hates the US as much as Ahmadinejad does, or Khomeni did.

So it’s not accident, as the Marxist said, that Obama is undermining his allies. He too subscribest to Khomeni’s views, and shares them regarding America.

Only problem is, a substantial amount of Americans believe the same things. About 52% or so. Because they think “only little people” will be killed in the next 9/11.

Jake          
Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 17:48:18 (ZULU)

The Honduran Army just deported their socialist friend-of-Hugo prez.  bo expressed his concern again.  I bet he is concerned:))  Argentina looks to shift away from their social guv if early returns hold up...and the EUs latest round kinda surprised the left in the major rebuke they received.  Liberal/ left is failing everywhere, but this is only because "they all did it wrong,"  right???  

Two lessons come from all this:  The first is the obvious:  Utopia is found within, no government can ever provide it (hence, our founder's grand plan).  The second is, for the devout lefties among us:  In order for it to work, one must sweep the pesky people aside and "make it work" through force, coercive acts and outright bribery to the non productives...the ol' divide and conquer...with Hugo Chavez showing the modern way.  

How many think the left will ever say "oops, our bad...our model is a failure..."  Yeah right...option two is what I expect from these bastards.

Currencies worldwide are in flux, trending downward.  The great smokescreen is the dollar's perceived strangth relative to the trend.  Add to that the likely belief that it is ONLY government/ central bank policy that props or weakens currency by leaders of all stripes (a mistaken belief)--but it is one you can justify the seemingly suicidal printing of money in DC.  But policy and leadership are merely a component of fiat money.  The underpinning is the psychology of the masses.  Forget this, and disaster will bite yer ass.  If I decide to wipe mine with greenbacks--no policy in the world, no leader, can reverse that decision--TP and fiat money aren't too different in composition after all.  China is now caught holding a hot potato in massive US debt notes, and the world's trade flows on the grease of the greenback (for now)--so we can add a certain hubris from the ruling elite to the equation.  But, that too does not reflect the mind of day-to-day people.  These mindless pols are playing with a fire they cannot understand, or are oblivious to understanding:  The dollar is whatever we decide it is and no government, no bank, no wishful thinking or especially no world-wide flood of dollars can alter the basic fact that it is, underneath it all---a simple piece of scrap rags that we willingly trade our time for in order to trade those hours for stuff.  As a medium, it is best to leave well enough alone.  Printing these things to suit the needs of the few cannot become a long term matter of policy...but, in looking at policy...it is exactly what they will do.  And for what?  So my healthcare plan can become taxed, a few million to loose their plan, and half the under-insured might get relief?  So that my energy costs can soar like the Eagle?  So that I can stand in line behind twelve welfare mothers getting their kids noses wiped while i try to ride out an episode of angina?  So that a union can do a drive by and organize my jobsite---thru intimidation and open vote records?  With my home adress and phone numbers given to the thugs?  What if I want a stock option--just sayin;--rather than union dues and dubious representation?  What if i become one of the 10-24% that gets the axe cuz the overhead for labor just spiked through the roof?  Will BO's healthplan or his energy tax help pay my mortgage?  What if I want to drive a truck rather than an electric beercan???  No; I want nothing to do with a free lunch.  No, I am not happy that the government for years shits on my currency--my only legal tender for trading my effort for necessities.  Nor am I happy that this new crew stopped shitting long enough to light a pyre on the same currency.  And they seize my taxes under penalty of a ruined life...and then freely give this same money to a bunch of asshats that voted themselves bankrupt.    If I had representation in this great rape I'd feel sooo much better.  At least then I'd know who I needed to choke the shit out of:))  Of the people, by the people and for the people my ranting ass.  That is just so 19th century...now, it is of by and for the guv.  Hell, who needs to read a law....just gotta pass it cause a few top echelon asshats said so, eh?  

Arghhhhhhh.  I woke up in the soviet union....

The click is a dollar article...almost forgot.

Joe M          
Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 17:30:20 (ZULU)

<<JR:  Where is the outrage?  Cap and trade was not the first Politburo/ Duma style stupid pet trick:  Yesterday's 1300 page legislation, introduced in full at around 3 am, was voted on 15 hours later.  As Glenn Beck said, "like reading 'Atlas Shrugged'" one lazy day.  I read fast...but not that dang fast.  So, just like the so called stimulus bill, our illustrious representatives made law god knows what--and they have as much an idea as I do what is in it...the difference being they also voted it in both times.  I could only roll my eyes in disbelief.>>>

CDC answered that one just as I had considered.  As a people, the americans are not a serious thinking group..Yet..Certainly not a group of 4-500 on Capitol hill.  I don't want common sense anymore, if what is common to let freedom and liberty dissolve so nonchalantly..But I don't think it matters the public scrutiny, the govt seems to do whatever it wants at the moment.

Kathy,

<<Is that Tennessee, Kentucky or Irish whiskey?>>

The clue was in the spelling..Only one country produces Whisky.

later

JR          
Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 17:14:09 (ZULU)

As for the retirement thing....I've had an idea for the last few years.  I'd like to establish a chain of snipers retirement homes along the Tex/Mex border, all 800 yds apart.  Leaves a 400-yd overlap, if you figure what I mean.  All the Lil' Rascal scooters will have Live Ammo/Expended brass boxes, with beer coolers.  And all the attendants will be off-duty Hooters Girls.  Anybody want to go in with me, I think we can make some money.  

Narrowly missed an IED OTW the range yesterday.  Only people that use that range, lately is us.  Novel thought.....someone doesn't like me. ISAF snafu kept us from using their back gate, hadda go another way and put us a few minutes late.  Some other guy got to the range first.  I guess God hasn't given up on me yet..... :)

Charles Hunt          
Kabul, tired, Afghanistan - Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 16:49:40 (ZULU)

Kathy:  I like your idea  about a a retirement village.  I have been looking for one of those ever since I retired :-).

HDR          
OK, - Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 14:45:35 (ZULU)

>"We aren't a serious people."<

Are you trying for the coveted "Understatement of the year award" :))))

I can't believe that congress is passing legislation before it is written.

I thought the media was "in the bag" for Clinton, but this is over the top.

Jim... this is what meant 6 months ago when I said this is not the America I grew up in... the public and the media would have NEVER stood for this kind of shit 20 years ago...

.. and it's gonna get a lot worse before it turns around (if it can), cuz once the public gets a taste of political correctness, they can't seem to walk away from it.

"Hey Mommy, the President isn't wearing any clothes".

-

'lito

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 14:00:08 (ZULU)

We aren't a serious people.

CDC'          
Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 08:05:03 (ZULU)

And why hasn't the obvious caught on in talk radio about the taxation without representation BS that is federal aid to states and municipalities?  Think about it:  Some socialist utopia that busts it budget routinely gets bailed out by us, though we had no vote in the programs that busted said budget...now, with so much more tax dollars flowing to states in distress, it is out of control bad.  The debt that is now California will likely as not be repaid by Alabama's grandsons and granddaughters...

Rant off.

On the lighter side, I just turned on the TV (AMC) and Clint is looking down the sights of a model 29 and says, "well? Do ya punk?"  Good timing.  

Joe M          
Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 06:32:43 (ZULU)

Kathy          
LA, CA, USA - Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 04:59:46 (ZULU)

Brian Sain's boy has just left for Benning.  He figuratively takes up the colors of every dog-faced rifleman symbolized by Iron Mike.  He joins some of the sons of others on our site, including Joe's and others'.

Colt will graduate on the field that has soil from battlefields from most of the United States' foreign wars.  That field adjoins the new Infantry Museum.

===============================

Infantry Museum's '100 Yards' exhibit touches veterans --

Infantry Museum’s centerpiece exhibit moves Vietnam vet retired Lt. Gen. Hal Moore

By Chuck Williams - Columbus Ledger - Enquirer, Columbus, GA <chwilliams@ledger-enquirer.com>

A walking cane in his left hand, a Cavalry Stetson adorned with three stars atop his head, retired Lt. Gen. Hal Moore walked.

An 87-year-old battle-scarred soldier in his dress blue uniform, Moore experienced “The Last 100 Yards,” the signature exhibit of the new National Infantry Museum and Soldier Center at Patriot Park on Thursday night.

On the eve of the grand opening, about 175 military leaders, past and present, including former Secretary of State and retired Gen. Colin Powell and Vice Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army Gen. Peter W. Chiarelli, gathered for a formal dinner and tour of the facility. The gathering included philanthropists from Columbus and throughout the country who helped make the museum possible.

On this night, Moore walked through the American Revolution, into the Civil War, into two World Wars and through Korea.

All along the way, he stopped and dutifully read the markers describing each battle depicted.

He walked slowly, but he walked with purpose.

As Moore neared the top of the ramp, he stopped.

Vietnam. Air Assault at Landing Zone X-Ray.

“I am familiar with this one,” he said as he marched toward the marker.

He stopped. Got as close to the words describing battle as his eyes would allow. He squinted. And he read every single word.

As he read, his face was a portrait of concentration, lips pursed.

He walked up to the helicopter, a video screen playing on the inside. The grass moved as if the chopper was landing.

It was all too real.

He looked into the face of one of the soldiers captured in a large photo inside the exhibit.

“That was one of my men,” Moore said.

These were Moore’s men, this was his fight.

What happened on that field in Southeast Asia was first a book, “We Were Soldiers Once ... And Young,” written by Moore and journalist Joe Galloway, and then a major Hollywood movie.

As Moore walked out the Vietnam War and onto the desert sands of the most recent wars, he stopped and looked back.

“It felt like I was going backward in time and memories,” Moore said while standing on the 100-yard ramp.

His words were choked with emotion.

Moore’s friend Toby Warren put the experience into words the lieutenant general could not.

“He will not sleep tonight,” Warren said. “This reconnected him to his heart, all that his life has been about.”

Moore’s wife, Julie Compton Moore, a soldier of a different kind on the home front during those trying times, is buried just up the hill in Fort Benning Main Post Cemetery. She died five years ago.

The walk through the historic battles helped Moore put his place in history into perspective.

“He told me the book was for the men; the movie was for the men,” Warren said of Moore. “But walking through there it was not just for his men, but for all of the dead of this country including his men.”

Moore stopped as he got to the top of the ramp.

He simply said, “I’m speechless.”

AFLAC Chairman Dan Amos walked the ramp, too, as soldiers — past and present — and those who made the $91 million museum a reality gathered for a meal before today’s dedication.

“I have seen a lot of people tonight who are speechless,” Amos said.

Retired Columbus businessman Benjamin Hardaway III gave the museum his seal of approval. Hardaway, a World War II veteran who landed at Omaha Beach, was one of the many donors who made the museum possible.

“This is above my expectations — and they were high to start with,” he said. “I can’t see one thing that I would criticize.”

Powell walked the ramp shortly after Moore. He will be the keynote speaker at today’s dedication.

As Powell got to the top of the ramp, National Infantry Foundation Chairman Jerry White, a retired major general and former Fort Benning commander, was explaining the symbolism of the American flag on a large video screen with soldiers marching out of the desert and into future battles.

Powell just nodded.

“Now that I have seen it, this is a remarkable tribute to the Infantry, the Infantry School and, frankly, the community that has supported it for so long,” Powell said.

For some old warriors, the museum was an important trip into the past.

“I think this will help close a chapter in his life,” Moore’s friend Warren said. “This was a very serious trip into the past."

sinister          
Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 04:38:47 (ZULU)

BTW, shot an NRA Tactical Police Competition 3 gun last weekend.  Excellent match with good stages, a realistic target and no suppressed urges to call in airstrikes.  If you can find one, try it.

WR Moore          
Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 04:32:19 (ZULU)

btw...<click> and decide if you really need that chaser :)  I've had fairly hard drinking college party animals spit this one up haha.

Okay, (doing my senator act) item two on the agenda.  A place for shooters with good solid training and who are becoming curmudgeonely can form a housing development and future retirement village on a friendly tropical island and can fend of BATF/Homeland Revin'ers (mostly for sport).  Oh, a retirement village with a community fully outfitted shop w/ EDM, chemical and electronics labs, hot tubs, and free with association membership a Class III license.  Nothing too farfetched.  Yes, I know <sigh> hot and cold running Dallas Cheerleaders......cable channel.

This has been fun!

<wicked grin>

Kathy

Kathy "I eat what I kill and drink what kills me" S.          
Cooking, Channel, USA - Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 03:39:46 (ZULU)

Sometimes one has to vent...One thing in this roach motel, it can be a random check in or permanent residence, but if it's anything it's a train of thought that might go one tangent to another...Margarita sounds good, as long as there's a whisky chaser..

News for the dudes and undudes.  guess who's making twisticles appear in perfectly well reamed bores again.  mmmhmm..and me likey what I see...Proof is on the paper, we'll see what potential they have, but that's for their sake.  I've already made my conclusion fwiw, they're shooters, and they are the bizness.  make more.

JR

JR          
Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 03:16:01 (ZULU)

Seriously, it steams me up too, but I get so pissy, I can't talk.  In fact, I can get annoyingly teary.  Joe, about women in politics?  It hurts me to tell you this because I admire you so much....<big pause>....but I do agree with you there.  Gotcha! ;) Living in Calif. I've had almost schizo feelings about some of our female politicians.  The dems I don't even want to picture that lawyer's face, seem to want the whole country run like a grammar school in the bad part of the inner city (btw I grew up in the hood - you guys would have found my accent in 6th grade hilarious).  If a bunch of you live in the same area.  DVD night.  One of my other hobbies is guessing which movie has the 'real' guys doing technical consulting.

The remake of Manchurian Candidate, Shooter (hey, we all need some fun), Enemy of the State (two consultants, one from SAIC kinda part of the branch I worked for...you know, the company who hired Bobby R. Inman after he ran No_Such_etc., and an ex-CIA senior officer), Man on Fire (you're all men on fire. <wink nudge> esp w/ these politics/economy).  I've got a big list!

Okay, you boys just go on.  I'll be back w/ some high-octane refreshments and the Korean BBQ Pronghorn I invented a while back.  Hmm.  This forum could use a feminine touch - maybe a floral arrangement.  j/k j/k

bye4now

Kathy          
Ellay, Trying2B_Calm, USA - Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 01:38:48 (ZULU)

JR          
Sunday, June 28, 2009, at 00:40:06 (ZULU)