I DO understand; my grandad that raised me and I would be so damned mad at each other sometimes, I'd have sworn people could see the waves of anger. We'd just go work seperately for half a day or so, then be back to being buddies. I attribute that to a willingness to see one another's point of view.(and recognising that we were both assholes, at times.)

Travis Morgan          
Friday, November 20, 2009, at 18:41:30 (ZULU)

CDC'          
Friday, November 20, 2009, at 17:45:32 (ZULU)

LMAO !!

I accidentally stumbled onto a naughty-demotivational-poster site, thanks to a Google search.... ugh... as in ugh-lee

Steve Racer: "Tangueray is great stuff, but straight it's like drinking lighter fluid."  T is for mixing with Tonic water, Canada Dry was my favorite.  Bombay Sapphire Gin .... now THAT's fine, not for mixing....  :8-)

Duman          
Friday, November 20, 2009, at 16:37:51 (ZULU)

It's near Kingsville. Click on my name for the link. The facility deals mostly with military and L.E. clients, and may from time to time have openings for adjunct instructors for specific clients.

Don't expect an immediate answer - the director and primary staff are on the west coast this week teaching a high-angle precision rifle course in a place with limited Internet access.

Lindy          
Rockport, Texas, U.S.A. - Friday, November 20, 2009, at 15:03:11 (ZULU)

Charles S. Hunt          
Kabul, Afghanistan - Friday, November 20, 2009, at 14:10:26 (ZULU)

Thanx and No worries about the Booze and/or Hookers.Headed to my folks and have to make a pitstop at Sis's to work on her Rem 870.Her deer zone is one of the last ones left in Wisconsin that are still shotgun/muzzleloader only.Was up by her last weekend to do some last minute load work,and shoot with my niece.Range was packed for the deer sight-ins.Sis tried 3 nights in a row after work to get a shooting lane but it was just too packed.

Dad is gettin up there in years and I want to hunt with him as much as possible while he is still with us.I know there is gonna be a point in time that comes where it will be like; I wish we could have done ____.Maybe that dream antelope/elk/sheep hunt will be,just that ... a dream.At least I will be able to say we had deer hunting and a few other hobbies shared.

Maybe we didnt always see eye to eye on alot of things and had our share of scraps.That doesnt change the fact that he isnt just my Father,he is one of my closest Friends...as well too, that he doesnt think of me just as a Son,but one of his closest Friends.

Kinda hard to explain sometimes,we could be pissed off and ready to swing at each other one second,and the next we are back to back takin on half the bar.

Neither one of us drinks that much anymore,and thats not such a bad thing.Kinda nice being able to remember things done together instead of trying to figure out what happened during a fuzzy blur and a hangover so bad the sound of the bolt slamming home makes your eyes and ears bleed to the point you just cant pull the trigger when that 10 pointer walks past.

Good Luck with the truck,theres better and easier ways to get some iron in your diet,than droppin the parts on your face.

UnPat

UnPat          
Almost there,, Small detour required, - Friday, November 20, 2009, at 09:08:38 (ZULU)

Travis Morgan          
Friday, November 20, 2009, at 08:40:25 (ZULU)

Well, I do agree about Chap Stick.  I guess it's a good thing they didn't invent Root Beer.  They probably would be pretty good makers of Retsina Wine though kaff choke.  I just can't acquire that taste.

I'll just quietly zone out when there's car talk.  That's beyond my brain.

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
Pas, CA, USA - Friday, November 20, 2009, at 07:41:06 (ZULU)

Chapstick tastes like shoe flegm. What's up with that? They obviously know folks will get it near their pie hole.

If you use a very fine water stone (can't remember the grit just now. The soft tan one. You ladies might call it taupe or beige) make a good slurry by massaging your fav blade then gather it up and wipe it on a decent piece of leather for a strop. Free rouge! Shiney, shaving sharp in just a few well placed, equal strokes. Or cheat and get a power strop. I have the scope from Radio Shack and it's cool for cheap! It's a fine line between a good strong edge and a flimsy burr. I can get a good burr on my broadheads with a mill bastard, but it breaks off pretty quick when you try to nurse it. Steel quality and hardness has a lot to do with it.

Bald arms, gotta love it. I love that little "puff" of hair when a broadhead hits a whitetail. Then they get sleepy. Silly cervids.

Steve Racer          
somewhere in Dillsburg, PA, formerly United States - Friday, November 20, 2009, at 06:25:26 (ZULU)

   I've no fricking idea WTF most of those words were. The gist, I think was; you'll give me a shopping list and a diagram, then I can make people mess their pants, right?

   First though, I have to figure out why the horn and cruise don't work.

Travis Morgan          
Friday, November 20, 2009, at 04:56:33 (ZULU)

I think I have something that combined with you truck horn might do it, but I'm not sure yet.  I will make a tape of what I did and what it sounds like in the front.  Same sound as a lot of car alarms but with a dish it goes more in one direction.  It like super loud fingernails on a blackboard!

rough drawing and parts list yup!

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
Nuts, Worse, USA - Friday, November 20, 2009, at 01:58:40 (ZULU)

   Occasionally, we ARE fans of lip GLOSS. NOT for kissing, though. That damned chapstick is just gross.

UnPat,

   Good luck; stay outta the booze and hookers! Right now, I've just baler wired the pipe clamps that that friggin' genius thought needed to be WELDED on! IDK why in hell he'd weld those, but only put a spot on the actual pipe joint!

Travis Morgan          
Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 23:34:05 (ZULU)

I have a tube of aquaphor for dry lips/hands...and sometimes to fill in hollowpoints for fun (in a pinch for cans too - um for the record j/k).  Lucy Liu uses it on set.  I'll bet you wouldn't complain too much about her!  Too funny.

The Chapstick thing should be in girls' dating guides.  I think most women do that because they think guys really like it.

My Bloody Mary is the usual stuff, a little more than a dash of Tabasco, about 2 tsp to a Tbsp of Worcestershire sauce, fresh celery Yum-O!  I also really like using Clamato a la Canuck!

You guys are great.  What's really fun is finding all the common interest areas besides firearms/reloading.  Ham Radio, truck engines and suspension (not my thing but that's okay), quality blades.  I think nearly anything one can hold and shows art-like craftsmanship.  Not many things left like that these days!

The other day I was at a coffee shop, looked down and saw a stray hair (ick) on my ankle.  Without thinking I pulled the Benchmade out of my pocket, clipped it and put it back.  I looked up and saw the oddest looks at me.  I felt like I had a fright mask on.  Strange :)

I had a neighbor's boyfriend pull over and start questioning me about it.  He thought his "subtle" demands to see it should be obeyed.  "That's a serious knife and I know knives" he told me (about my little Benchmade).  No he doesn't.  I didn't show it to him and said, "oh, it's just a penknife."  He doesn't like me now - my nose bleeds for him.  Even my brother has asked not to carry it.  Curiouser and curiouser!  :)

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
Pas, CA, USA - Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 23:17:17 (ZULU)

I wouldnt recomend the use of either in exhausts. Unless to keep the draggin pipe off the ground. and only use the duct tape on the cold side of the broken pipe.Barbed wire, wire coathangers would be better.Less risk of fire damage.Any chance of usin a hacksaw to clean up the pipe break? And then fittin a pipe section in?

Hate the feelin of chapstick transfer from a kiss....Ranks right up there alongside fang scrapes.  :-o  

UnPat

UnPat          
Trucks packed and I, am outta here, Even the dog is layin a "your leavin" guilt trip - Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 23:00:24 (ZULU)

   That damn chapstick gets on my nerves; she can wear it all day long, but she waits until I wanna smooch on her to lube her lips up!

   I'd considered your idea, but don't have my grinder handy to buzz off that weld that's in my way. I DO, however, (like any hillbilly) have JB Weld and duct tape handy.

Travis Morgan          
Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 22:19:44 (ZULU)

Make/Drink Boody Mary's tonight....Take tomato juce can,remove top and bottom,split can up the side.Wrap can around outside of pipe and hose clamp in place after jamming it tight in muffler....or pick up a straight section of exhaust pipe about 6inches long or so that just fits inside both muffler and broken pipe.Try to fit half into broken side and half in muffler.Clamp at broken pipe side and let muffle side "float".

Gotta love a woman that keeps chapstick handy :)))

UnPat

UnPat          
Outta here, Gone deer huntin, - Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 21:48:24 (ZULU)

   There's a fella on the Wichita, Ks. craigslist ads that's giving away two 12 foot lengths of dried walnut! If nobody comes and gets it, he's gonna burn it! If I had anywhere to put it, I'd get it, but I don't. If one of you guys makes stocks, feel free to go get it and make me some stocks for a finder's fee!

Travis Morgan          
Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 20:31:30 (ZULU)

   My ex used to give me the same crap; I look mangy when I wear shorts because of the missing patches of leg hair!

   GF's in the doghouse; she kept asking to borrow my knife despite the fact that I gave her a good one to carry in her purse in a handy inside pocket for defense. When I looked for HER knife, I found it stashed under maxi pads in a side pocket! What was in the handy inside pocket, you ask? Two hand sanitizers and a tube of chap stick!  

   Guys,

   My exhaust came apart right behind the muffler (btw, if you drop it on your lips, it'll rattle you a little bit!) some idiot only put one little tack weld on it. I have no money and no welder(and no job) any chance JB Weld or Epoxy would work?

Travis Morgan          
Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 19:44:41 (ZULU)

I love sharp blades, my Morseth takes an unbelievable edge, just touch it to a deer hide and it opens up.

Every fall the inside of my left arm from elbow to wrist is shaved clean from testing knife and broadhead blades, drives my wife nuts. She says I look like a dork with half of one arm shaved. :)

Rob Opp

Rob Opp          
Jamestown, ND, USA - Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 15:46:12 (ZULU)

I missed that one...

Sharon

Larry J. Porter          
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 14:46:10 (ZULU)

>"Travis, The last time I "Clicky'd" one of your hyperlinks, the link was for an adult entertainment site."<

Hey Duey...  Mang, how do you think I discovered the "Mud wrestling lesbo girl scouts" website?

:))

--

'lito

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 14:42:17 (ZULU)

I intend to post it on my PC Facebook account.  I think the one's who don't have their fingers in their ears humming when I post such stuff will learn something.

Kat girl

Kat Girl          
Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 10:47:57 (ZULU)

      widow........

     "WE NOTICED"

     President Obama:

     Today I read of your administrations' plan to re-define September 11

     as a National Service Day. Sir, it's  time we had a talk.........

     During your campaign, Americans watched as you made mockery of our

     tradition of standing and crossing your heart when the Pledge of

     Allegiance was spoken. You, out of four people on the stage, were the

     only one not honoring our tradition.

     YES, "We  noticed."

     During one of your many speeches, Americans  heard you say that you

     intended to visit all 57 states.

     We all know that Islam, not America has 57 states.

     YES, "We noticed."

     When President Bush leaned over at Ground Zero and gently placed a

     flower on the memorial, while you

     nonchalantly tossed your flower onto the pile without leaning  over.

     YES, "We noticed."

     Every time you apologized to other countries for America's position

     on an issue we have wondered why you don't share our pride in this

     great country. When you have heard foreign leaders berate our country

     and our beliefs, you have not defended us. In fact,  you insulted the

     British Crown beyond belief.

     YES, "We noticed."

     When your pastor of 20 years, "God-damned America " and said that

     9/11 was " America 's chickens coming

      home to roost" and you denied having heard    recriminations of that

     nature, we wondered how that could be. You later disassociated

     yourself from that church and Pastor Wright because it was

     politically expedient to do so.

     YES, "We noticed."

     When you announced that you would

     transform America , we wondered why. With all her faults, America is

     the  greatest country on earth. Sir, KEEP THIS IN MIND, "if not for

     America and the people who built her, you wouldn't be sitting  in the

     White House now." Prior to your election to the highest

      office in this Country, you were a senator from Illinois and from

     what we can glean from the records available, not a very remarkable

     one.

     YES, "We noticed."

     All through your campaign and even now, you have surrounded yourself

     with individuals who are basically unqualified for the positions  for

     which you appointed them. Worse than that, the majority of them are

     people who, like you, bear no special allegiance,  respect, or

     affection for this country and her traditions.

     YES, "We noticed."

     You are 9 months into your term and every morning millions of

     Americans wake up to a new horror heaped on us by you. You seek to

     saddle working Americans with a health care/insurance reform package

     that,

     along with cap and trade, will bankrupt this nation.

     YES, "We noticed."

     We seek, by protesting, to let our representatives know that we are

     not in favor of these crippling expenditures and we are labeled

     "un-American","racist", "mob". We wonder how we are supposed to let

     you know how frustrated we are. You have attempted to make our

     protests seem isolated and  insignificant. Until your appointment,

     Americans had the right to speak out.

     YES, "We noticed."

     On September 11, 2001 there were no Republicans or Democrats, only

     Americans. And we all grieved together and helped each other in

     whatever way we could. The attack on 9/11 was carried out  because we

     are Americans.

     And YES, "We noticed."

     There were many of us who prayed that as a  black president you could

     help unite this nation. In six

     months you have done more to destroy this nation than the attack on

     9/11. You have failed us.

     YES, "We  noticed."

     September 11 is a day of remembrance for all Americans. You propose

     to make 9/11 a "National Service Day".

     While we know that you don't share our reverence for 9/11, we pray

     that history will report your proposal as what it is disgrace.

     YES, "We noticed"

     You have made a mockery of our Constitution and the office that you

     hold. You have embarrassed and slighted us in foreign visits and

     policy.

     YES, "We noticed.."

     We have noticed all these things. We will deal with you. When

     Americans come together again, it will be to remove you from office.

     Take notice.

Steven Dzupin          
Ridgewood, New Joisey ,Peoples Republic of, ??? - Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 10:32:38 (ZULU)

CDC' - The Razor's Edge.  Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!!!

Kat Girl

p.s. Rod - I'm still laughing at the auditory email

Kat Girl          
Pas, CA, USA - Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 09:30:33 (ZULU)

CDC'          
Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 06:04:42 (ZULU)

MarcS          
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 05:39:11 (ZULU)

When you use a strop - it helps to sing "I'm the Barber of Seville"  I love the idea of using an old belt - wow

Duman:  I told you, right.  When I FINALLY figured out what CLICK meant, that was exactly the one I clicked on!  Had Clickophobia for a bit.

:) Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
Ellay, CA, USA - Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 04:10:03 (ZULU)

My Dad was an Executive Chef, so I learned the value of a good edge very early. A set of stones and a good steel aren't that expensive, if you consider that they last a lifetime, or more.

Sharp blades are safer than dull ones, and wide blades are safer than thin ones. A sharp wide blade has a predictable path. While a narrow (edge to back) blade with a dull edge, tends to turn in the hand and deflect from your chosen path.

An old belt with polishing compound on the back (rough) side, makes a very good strope.

4i's          
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 02:27:27 (ZULU)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/28/sniper_feature/

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 01:17:23 (ZULU)

SteveinButte          
Butte, MT, USSA - Thursday, November 19, 2009, at 00:23:43 (ZULU)

Travis- the widgets I suggested aren't spools, they will unlock if there's a sufficient difference in rotational speeds of the wheels in corners.  Don't really know how they may affect turning radius, but if the 2 WD needs a 40 acre field, a 4 WD same make will need 50 acres plus.  This is due to the limits the front steering nuckle universals put on angularity.

Charles- Joe's right, once you go diesel to haul, you'll never go back.  Besides, '96 or so up, you can run the thing on Mickey D fry oil if ya hafta.  Don't know how the diesels in domestic 1/2 tons is shaking out.  Navistar sued Ford (again) over patent infringement/intellecutal property after they bought smaller diesels for prototype work and then made blueprints so they could build the engines themselves. Brought the planned into of a diesel F150 to a screeching halt awhile back.  Having lost previous lawsuits to Navistar, you'd have thought Ford was brighter.

WR Moore          
Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 23:45:22 (ZULU)

   It's not that. Live in fear of clicking! (insert evil laugh here!)

Travis Morgan          
Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 23:13:06 (ZULU)

Brogers          
Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 22:30:28 (ZULU)

The last time I "Clicky'd" one of your hyperlinks, the link was for an adult entertainment site.  Need better information, first.

Duman          
Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 21:05:30 (ZULU)

SteveinButte          
Butte, MT, USSA - Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 21:02:29 (ZULU)

Travis Morgan          
Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 17:02:33 (ZULU)

medicjim          
Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 15:22:01 (ZULU)

CDC'          
Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 15:09:49 (ZULU)

Now Kat and CDC have me thinking about giving it one more try...

Too bad there isn't a write up on the site like the one Lito did for adjusting Remington triggers....you know, knife sharpening for the 'skill impared' like me. <hint, hint>

medicjim          
Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 14:01:02 (ZULU)

I would appreciate pics from anyone with a cheekwelder on his rifle.  Even more important is feedback.  I would like your honest opinion.  If there is smething you don't like, send me an email and tell me about it.  Things you do like should be posted here.

Kat;  Thanks for the info.  I use full sheets of wet or dry but - for tight curves and spot touchup - your dowell trick is something I will use.

A microscope is useful for examining edges.  Put a little red or blue sharpie on the edge, run a couple of sharpening strokes with some 1500 grit then look at it through the scope.  It's educational.  

<Edited to add:>  A $12 scope like this works great:  http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2179604

CDC'          
Stamp out gun neglect - Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 10:20:54 (ZULU)

Just4fun: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1292723681114

CDC' - glad the dowel trick (I just discovered it) will be useful.  My hands don't cramp with it and the sensitivity of feel is nice.  I will definitely try the edge ink.  I used to use telescope eyepieces backwards to look at the edge.  p.s. I will send my stock btw.  It's been a difficult few weeks.

I am ashamed of Facebook.  A UK friend of mine in armoured sent me a link with a 'cause' site for a Fusilier who lost his best friend to an IED.  Evidently he was walking by the lock-up where the ANA got two who were planting more.  One laughed at the Cpl so he punched him which I think is a pretty admirable show of self restraint.  The British gov't is charging him (the Cpl) with a war crime!  AQ? WTF?!.  The salopes who use dull penknives to saw off heads and no one ever talks about what they do to female soldiers NATO/US who get captured?  The poor NCO probably was sitting next to his buddy when the EFP came screaming thru' - merde.

News:

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.mirror.co.uk%252Fne%252520ws%252Ftop-stories%252F2009%252F11%252F15%252F%252520a-war-crime-115875-2182259%2525200%252F&h=c0ed104e909774b60bdffd52c3106a0d&ref=mf

Okay, the sad part, I tried to enter the facebook cause to support this noncom and they said it wouldn't be posted because it was abusive!  HUH?

CLICK For the cause before FB pulls it down.  I do not get it?  What an embarrassment.  Gee maybe FB is run by people who yell "Allahu Akhbar?"

btw, the moorish Arabs in Morocco are not bad...  Tunisia and Algeria on the other hand...

Kat Girl

p.s. anyone who wants good studies and docs on Urban Control, send me an email.  The two best: one co-authored by L. Grau and the other a preliminary plan for Flu Pandemic Control.  Brrrr.

p.p.s. if I have the time, I'll enter a letter to the editor from a Liberal who is massively ticked off at Obama!  I don't agree with his pull out ideas, but I think writing is on da wall!

Kat Girl          
Ellay, CA, USA - Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 01:31:11 (ZULU)

Pics of the HBV in bound on rifleman.net  Let me know if they come through.

Gary Kaney          
N.W., ILC, - Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 01:19:47 (ZULU)

Sarge

Sarge          
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 00:34:25 (ZULU)

MarcS          
Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 00:08:48 (ZULU)

CDC:I have a little plastic 'briefcase' I have a couple of fine files, including a chainsaw rattail file for shaping reverse curve shapes.  A Japanese waterstone, several grades of wet/dry fine paper.  I found if you cut a wood dowel which is about 1.25" diameter to about 10" long and tightly wrap the cloth in it, it works really well.  I also have a kitchen ceramic finishing rod.  

When I bowhunted, I had a Lansky sharpener (lost now).  The best thing about that kit was that it taught me the feel of applying the right pressure on a stone while keeping a constant angle.  I then bought the stones which weren't in the basic kit and much finer.  After awhile, I'd use the stones and not need the kit.  It also gave me a feel for angles and the look of the width of a polished edge on a blade = f(thickness)

For broadheads, I used to have but lost the Lansky finest pink ceramic which was perfect for getting better than new razor sharp on broadheads, the Mk II, the short Loveless and my Benchmade Greptilian.  

For those who don't bow hunt or have never used knives to finish game or an opponent, you need it sharp enough to slice vessels by simply passing by and not just push them aside.  With broadheads with edges all the way to the tip and a well tuned arrow I've seen pass-throughs where the deer would be grazing, jump a little, look around and go back to grazing until the "legs turned to water."  Nothing will improve your life about seeing a stupid Buck knife tent the skin on the far side of a neck w/o slicing anything...and I won't go into the rest yuuuck.

220 grit, 600 and 2000 for the paper with 220 taking most of the work.  The dowel feels good and doesn't cramp your hand like a smaller object.  It was simply a serendipitous discovery of mine.  An old dinner ceramic plate is pretty good for stropping.  For polishing, I have a tube of Blue Magic metal polish.

I've tried using a tiny cloth buffing wheel on the Dremel with different grades of jeweler's rouge, but it's a lot of work and not necessary for 15-20deg angles i.e. didn't seem to do much for the time except leave my place and me full of lint!

To preserve the edge, I put a thin coat of cosmoline on the whole blade and wipe it off.  That and keeping the angle constant is about all there is.

For broadheads like the Satellite, I would clamp the blade in an Exacto pen Aluminum holder - works very well.  I now sit on the floor when I'm working on the big blade...after I acquired a nice .25" scar next to my Achilles!

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 00:00:42 (ZULU)

Andy's Dad: Good to see you.  How is Andy?

Duman          
Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 20:37:15 (ZULU)

'yote bait:  Glad you like the new Cheekwelder.  Send pics.  The ones on my site are getting pretty stale.

Kat:  What sharpening technique and gear do you use?

CDC'          
Stamp out gun neglect - Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 19:50:35 (ZULU)

JoeM That is terrific about your kids!  Maybe I'll be able to take lessons from them by the time a couple of years roll by!

Travis: An old really great ballistician at Sierra gave me this load: 19.0 gr 2400 behind a 168 gr SMK for my 30-06.  He used it to win matches out to 300. I know it's more accurate than I was at 100 and the recoil is mild and doesn't even really vibrate the bbl!  He said he won quite a few shorter range matches with that load.  Same idea as yours!

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
LA, CA, USA - Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 19:16:22 (ZULU)

   My stepkid was pretty scrawny, and pretty recoil sensitive, but he really seemed to dig my cast bullet loads out of my .30-06. (he pissed 'em all away, anyhow!) I just use about 16.5 gr. of 2400 with a cast bullet; my zero is only 7" lower at 100 yards than my regular loads.

   All indications would say that these loads would do just fine on deer or smaller game at that distance. Sorry, but I've not chrono'd the load.

Travis Morgan          
Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 18:53:20 (ZULU)

DOH!!!

It's hard to focus on the front sight when you are trying to spot an opening in the brush. I don't even want to say what the range was : (

Eating humble pie, instead of backstraps.

4i's          
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 17:54:54 (ZULU)

Kat; Roger what you sent!  Let me know.....!

Brogers          
Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 16:23:58 (ZULU)

The girls put lead on steel this last weekend.  Peanut fell in love with a Mk12 and did exceptionally well.  My younger two need some arm length yet, but with a beanie and an interesting (heheh, very) hold, they did great too!  The taming of the recoil impulse and report made a difference.  Guess I'll move that up on the list going forward:-))  They also did well with the bigger brother, but it was the mouseguns where they had all the confidence.  I have some great pics of them on the range...and their smiles are ear-to-ear, Phhht-ting!  Nothing like consistent hits to win new converts to the art!

Joe M          
Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 13:36:02 (ZULU)

>"...going nerdatron, I've always wondered if you took a cheapo laser range finder and put a larger lens (like a simple Galilean 2lens) in front of the receiving aperture how much more you could squeeze out.  Of cours, it's not practical, but curiosity.  I know I can guesstimate using the surface area, but it would be fun...for a nerdette"<

To increase range, you would need more output (by a bunch).  Public use rangefinders are limited to 5 milliwatts.  To double the range, you would need a 12db gain (6db out, and 6db back), which is roughly 90~ish milliwatts.  which is not attainable with the weakassed pieces parts in over the shelf lasers.  To get 12db optically, you would need an IR lens the size of a dinner plate - BIGG BUCKS!!

I didn't actually lay out 12k$ for it - I was contracted to evaluate a detector that would let you know if the enemy was "pinging" you with a laser - some yuppy nerd had thought this up while reading Playboy.  He started up a company to sell this to the military.  They supplied me with the laser and all the batteries and charger to test their "sekret device"...

HA! - a coupla New York Sharpies - they had taken a car radar detector that probably sold for $199, and put in a sexy military housing with an inverted conical mirror so it would detect in a 360° circle and tried to lay it off on the military.

The bug in the ointment is that the mil requires that stuff to be made in the USA (not Somalia), plus they violated a bunch of other laws and patent infringements stuff...

.. so they went TU, and I got stuck for my services for $17k. But I had a standard 180 day default clause in the contract - you don't pick up your shit in 180 days, you loose it.

So between the money owed and the 180 day default clause, I kept the laser.

Still not a bad deal, when you consider what I was billing them per hour (a lot!!), and it was fun work.

If I would have had to buy it with my own money, I would've passed.

-

Meow ;)))

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 11:13:58 (ZULU)

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad)          
Brownsville, TX, USA - Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 11:02:58 (ZULU)

Not really sure what your looking for, but I bought the '07 F-150 with the 8200 GVWR package and am thoroughly pleased with it. Only available with the 8'bed, I think. Mine is a supercab (both rear windows go down!) and has a payload of 2200 lb. I have put on about 9K miles pulling my travel trailer (34' and 8K loaded) even out west, did Wolf Creek and Bighorn passes, and while the 5.4 is a great engine, it won't be the first to the top of the hill. It'll get you there, it loves to spin, but runs short of torque with the four speed. I hear the six speed in the new truck is night and day. This combo for intermediate dragging beats the heck out of the 250 or 350 for the $$$ difference. I use mine as daily driver too and the ride is pretty good. Not stellar, but better than the heavy trucks and don't feel the need to have 1000 lbs in the bed to smoothe it out. Can't beat the looks, IMNTBHO, and I find the creature comforts to be spot on for me (seating, controls, visability, etc). My .02.

Steve Racer          
somewhere in Dillsburg, PA, formerly United States - Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 06:17:51 (ZULU)

CDC'          
Stamp out gun neglect. - Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 02:33:40 (ZULU)

I'm curious.  Who did you end up going to work for?  If you would hit me offline, I'd appreciate it.  Time to start looking for greener pastures.  I'm at GeeTeehammer at hotmail dot commmmm.......thanks.  

Charles S. Hunt          
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Monday, November 16, 2009, at 23:44:03 (ZULU)

Ohhh it is mac and cheese for the forseeable future uh huh.

To nobody in particular.  I've got this little Benchmark folder.  Yayy, I'm getting better at sharpening.  I used it to clip some stray peachfuzz, got distracted and steepened the angle a couple of degrees and barely pressed (with no slicing motion) left a nice cut on my leg.  It's where I want it to be!  whoot.  I just barely pressed and it's bleeding more than a paper cut, wow.

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
LA, CA, USA - Monday, November 16, 2009, at 22:27:16 (ZULU)

Brogers          
Monday, November 16, 2009, at 22:17:55 (ZULU)

I thought I was doing good when I dumped the Bushnell 1000 LRF and got a Leica 1200. Would like to upgrade to a Swaro but can't fit it in the budget right now. Grad school costs more than I thought, in both time and money. Tired of Mac & Cheese.

Charles: congrats on the promotion.

Mike M. thoughts and prayers go out, cancer is a bitch.

Take care!

Rob Opp

Rob Opp          
Jamestown, ND, USA - Monday, November 16, 2009, at 17:26:35 (ZULU)

I should have taken a before and after of my 308. The before would show what i had for a cheek rest from my first trip to Badlands. I bought some Kotex at the general store thier and built them up to where my weld should be and wrapped  them in place with camoflage tape.

Gary Kaney          
NW, IL, - Monday, November 16, 2009, at 15:38:09 (ZULU)

We got rained out today. I'll get some pics and send them to you. Hit me with an E-Mail addy. If i keep my Coyote Lite i'll probably want one for it. I had a HBV 22/250 that the barrel shot out on and i had it rebarreled to a 260 with a S&B PM2 that scope ests a little higher. The Welder put me right where i should be. Great product.

Gary Kaney          
N.W., IL, - Monday, November 16, 2009, at 15:00:34 (ZULU)

medicjim          
Monday, November 16, 2009, at 14:39:14 (ZULU)

If one of you gentlemen (or ladies) knows anything about trap shooting I would appreciate it if you would hit me offline.

Gary Kaney:  You are a man of few words.  Any further comments?  Pics would be nice too.  The pics on my site are few, old and stale and my guns - especially the HBV - aren't very photogenic.

Duman:  The joystick works best with a larger tripod.  You can't go wrong with a Manfrotto.  By strange coincidence I have a largish Manfrotto that goes to the range less and less since I got a micro.  That's no life for a nice tripod.  Hit me offline.  I'll give you a deal.

CDC'          
Stamp out gun neglect. - Monday, November 16, 2009, at 13:20:59 (ZULU)

A plus on the Cheek Welder. Put in on the 308 this weekend.

Gary Kaney          
N.W., IL, - Monday, November 16, 2009, at 09:49:44 (ZULU)

Range Finders:  I used to use Topo Maps and air/space borne imagery too (before I got a GPS)

BillR: "oh yoo hoo, Sniperman!"  How's that.  Yup, I never ever try to tell you guz what to say.  I do not believe in it.

Doc: that got me laughing about deer season in your AO.  I went camping once with a friend and had no idea the next morning A zone was on.  I looked out of the tent and had to rub my eyes.  The number of day-glow hunters going in random directions breaking the brush like Bison was cartoon-like!  I guess these seasoned outdoorsmen must know something like A-zone deer actually have no ears!

Kat Girl

'lito - 6 mi max, 4 miles on a tractor????  Wow, you guys have amazing toys.  One time I had a schematic (analog) for a Lidar project.  Short pulse laser and the timer stretched out the return pulse, did a sample and hold...Rube Goldberg but it apparently measured cloud height pretty well. I range on choppers in racetrack all the time for fun but they're not that far away (need a 1.5k measuring tape).

going nerdatron, I've always wondered if you took a cheapo laser range finder and put a larger lens (like a simple Galilean 2lens) in front of the receiving aperture how much more you could squeeze out.  Of cours, it's not practical, but curiosity.  I know I can guessstimate using the surface area, but it would be fun...for a nerdette

oh rats, lost my nose post nuts

Kat Girl          
Monday, November 16, 2009, at 02:50:49 (ZULU)

Looks like a nice toy... that cost more than my Honda. Car.

Looking forward to the pics.

PS - I need a recommendation for a good tripod, which I can used for spotting scope, in combination with a Manfrotto joystick head.  TIA

PPS - One source for price info on Vectronix gear:

https://www.gsaadvantage.gov/ref_text/GS07F5489R/0H57IS.22ICIT_GS07F5489R_GS-07F-5489R-10-22-2009-282565.PDF

Duman          
Monday, November 16, 2009, at 00:01:26 (ZULU)

http://tech.military.com/equipment/view/88627/laser-rangefinder-an-gvs-5.html

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/marinefacts/blrangefinder.htm

It kept me in Macaroni and Cheese for almost a year.  Military cost is over $5k for the rangefilder, civilian cost plus the battery charger (that would make a NASA engineer drool), brings the package to around $12k

We took it to Storm Mountain, and were pinging Caterpillar tracktors at 4+ miles (as far as we could see).

The 6 mile rating (9,999 meters) is under worst conditions - black target, high noon sun.

I will take some pics in a day or two (I just got a good digital camera).

-

Fluffy Bonker.

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 21:54:23 (ZULU)

Lindy          
Rockport, Texas, U.S.A. - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 19:08:01 (ZULU)

Now that's some great news!  The troops have been bugging me about the possibility of a shoot in 2010.  Guess I'd better start trying to find ammo for 'em.  Most aren't reloaders.  Morgue's buddy at Waterloo Ammunition puts out some darned good stuff when he can get the components.  Will have to drop him a note.  Deer season opened yesterday and the whole AO sounds like WW III in progress.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway          
The cloudy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 18:10:31 (ZULU)

Doc; the dogs are coming back in droves. The coyotes appear to have conquered the mange problem and the Great Plains is basking in moisture and snow predicted today. I've seen worse times.

Mike; I lost my mom and dad to the C scourge. Dad wouldn't take any cure. I'm glad your mom decided to go for it! This stuff is far greater enemy to all of us than the Islamic scourge. I pray and hope for the best for her. Life is a short battle with tribulations at best but the chemo does great things and I applaud her choice.

Brogers          
Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 17:30:12 (ZULU)

Brogers          
Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 17:14:08 (ZULU)

As soon as we realize we aren't fighting prejudice and political incorrectness but a true dedicated enemy no different than the NAZI scourge  of the great war the dance will begin anew. It makes no difference what his religion is.... if he is dedicated to your destruction he is your enemy and deserves to be dealt with as any other. Chasing a bunch of rag tag bandits around the mountains of Afganistan is just a drop in the bucket to the problems we face with this sect of criminals. Get real America this ain't no joke!

Brogers          
Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 17:00:47 (ZULU)

Heck, if you're deploying your own targets, record the location of the targets on a GPS. Then record the location of your firing position. While most GPS sets won't compute the distance between the two locations with sufficient resolution for shooting purposes, there are very simple PDA applications which will.

Click on my name for a web page with Excel spreadsheet forumulas, which could be run on any phone running Windows Mobile, or on any scientific calculator.

Given an email address, I'll be glad to email an Excel spreadsheet program which takes the coordinates and calculates the distance in miles, yards, kilometers, and meters.

Also, the ballistic program I use, Field Firing Solutions, will calculate the range - and a firing solution, of course. The program will take data from a directly-coupled GPS, and will also use map coordinates.

For practical real-world use, though, when you get beyond reasonable range of laser rangefinders, call in an airstrike...

Lindy          
Rockport, Texas, U.S.A. - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 13:12:34 (ZULU)

With that - Sinister, been curious for a long time.  You left handed?

That's all - curiosity.

:) Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
NATO Hoplites Akhbar, CA, USA - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 07:47:45 (ZULU)

MarcS          
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 06:59:51 (ZULU)

   Wouldn't lockers increase my turning radius? This fucker already requires a small pasture to turn around in!

Travis Morgan          
Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 06:02:16 (ZULU)

And, it worked.  Islam, as a conquering force in Europe, was nullified.  Contained, it's revolutionary fervor subsided and festered, and only the discovery of oil, and the squintillions of dollars that ensued, have made it possible for the virulent jerkoffs to crank up the jihad again.

I know.  Some would say you can't indict an entire religion for the actions of a few criminals.  No.  But, were members of Our Lady of Perpetual Motion go out and start blowing up mosques and beheading people while shouting "Deus Vult!" (:p), would there be dancing in the streets in Rome?  If the Rev. Hagee moved into the mountains of Nepal and started bankrolling murdering bastards to blow up busses in Pakistan, would almost every Christian in the world cheer him on?  Please.  Good God almighty, these people here get the crap blown out of their own people, and just go about normal business without a peep.  It's insane.  

This is not "racism".  It's just common sense.  We are at war with an idea that will not stop until we all either capitulate, or die.  And to say that we must not condemn it because it's a religion is both stupid and cowardly.  We wouldn't let the Aztecs pursue their particular form of worship anymore.  If they want to practice Islam in peace and quiet, proselytize peacefully with persuasion and logic, no sweat.  But the minute, the second, it becomes acceptable to an entire class of people that warfare, violence and terror are acceptable in the name of a god, then that is the moment it beomes necessary to wipe it off the face of the earth.

Jeez, I'm wordy today. Sorry.  At least I didn't go off on Democrats....then I'd REALLY get worked up.  

Charles S. Hunt          
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 04:40:50 (ZULU)

Col Sinsister, as usual your info is great. I think you saved me another crummy shot. I had not said anything because I did not want to get sent home. I will check in with base medical this week and let them know my reaction.

Time just flys here. Eat work sleep, repeat and weeks fly by.

Mike Bolt I have one of the big  German ( I think but not sure. Catman had directions for use) Optical Range finders. I will sell for song when I get back. Give me a shout after 1 December and we can take care of you.

Mike/Undude

MikeMiller          
ca, - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 04:25:46 (ZULU)

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/11/14/charles-krauthammer-medicalizing-mass-murder.aspx

Charles Krauthammer: Medicalizing mass murder

Posted: November 14, 2009, 9:00 AM by NP Editor

Charles Krauthammer, Fort Hood

What a surprise — that someone who shouts “Allahu Akbar” (the “God is great” jihadist battle cry) as he is shooting up a room of American soldiers might have Islamist motives. It certainly was a surprise to the mainstream media, which spent the weekend after the Fort Hood massacre downplaying Nidal Hasan’s religious beliefs.

“I cringe that he’s a Muslim … I think he’s probably just a nut case,” said Newsweek’s Evan Thomas. Some were more adamant. Time’s Joe Klein decried “odious attempts by Jewish extremists ... to argue that the massacre perpetrated by Nidal Hasan was somehow a direct consequence of his Islamic beliefs.” While none could match Klein’s peculiar cherchez-le-juif motif, the popular story line was of an Army psychiatrist driven over the edge by terrible stories he had heard from soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

They suffered. He listened. He snapped.

Really? What about the doctors and nurses, the counsellors and physical therapists at Walter Reed Army Medical Center who every day hear and live with the pain and the suffering of returning soldiers? How many of them then picked up a gun and shot 51 innocents?

And what about civilian psychiatrists — not the Upper West Side therapist treating Woody Allen neurotics, but the thousands of doctors working with hospitalized psychotics — who every day hear not just tales but cries of the most excruciating anguish, of the most unimaginable torment? How many of those doctors commit mass murder?

It’s been decades since I practiced psychiatry. Perhaps I missed the epidemic.

But, of course, if the shooter is named Nidal Hasan, whom National Public Radio reported had been trying to proselytize doctors and patients, then something must be found. Presto! Secondary post-traumatic stress disorder, a handy invention to allow one to ignore the obvious.

And the perfect moral finesse. Medicalizing mass murder not only exonerates. It turns the murderer into a victim, indeed a sympathetic one. After all, secondary PTSD, for those who believe in it (you won’t find it in DSM-IV-TR, psychiatry’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual), is known as “compassion fatigue.” The poor man — pushed over the edge by an excess of sensitivity.

Have we totally lost our moral bearings? Nidal Hasan (allegedly) cold-bloodedly killed 13 innocent people. In such cases, political correctness is not just an abomination. It’s a danger, clear and present.

Consider the Army’s treatment of Hasan’s previous behaviour. NPR’s Daniel Zwerdling interviewed a Hasan colleague at Walter Reed about a hair-raising grand rounds that Hasan had apparently given. Grand rounds are the most serious academic event at a teaching hospital — attending physicians, residents and students gather for a lecture on an instructive case history or therapeutic finding.

I’ve been to dozens of these. In fact, I gave one myself on post-traumatic retrograde amnesia — as you can see, these lectures are fairly technical. Not Hasan’s. His was an hour-long disquisition on what he called the Koranic view of military service, jihad and war. It included an allegedly authoritative elaboration of the punishments visited upon nonbelievers — consignment to hell, decapitation, having hot oil poured down your throat. This “really freaked a lot of doctors out,” reported NPR.

Nor was this the only incident. “The psychiatrist,” reported Zwerdling, “said that he was the kind of guy who the staff actually stood around in the hallway saying: Do you think he’s a terrorist, or is he just weird?”

Was anything done about this potential danger? Of course not. Who wants to be accused of Islamophobia and prejudice against a colleague’s religion?

One must not speak of such things. Not even now. Not even after we know that Hasan was in communication with a notorious Yemen-based jihad propagandist. As late as Tuesday, The New York Times was running a story on how returning soldiers at Fort Hood had a high level of violence.

What does such violence have to do with Hasan? He was not a returning soldier. And the soldiers who returned home and shot their wives or fellow soldiers didn’t cry “Allahu Akbar” as they squeezed the trigger.

The delicacy about the religion in question — condescending, politically correct and deadly — is nothing new. A week after the first (1993) World Trade Center attack, the same New York Times ran the following front-page headline about the arrest of one Mohammed Salameh: “Jersey City Man Is Charged in Bombing of Trade Center.”

Ah yes, those Jersey men — so resentful of New York, so prone to violence.

Washington Post Writers Group

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 03:37:11 (ZULU)

Based on my earlier web research on the topic, divide the quoted maximum distance in half to get an idea of a product's "dark object" ranging capability.  So if a LFR product is rated at say 1500 meters, assume it can only range a dark object up to say 750 meters.

                        \\

A poor source claims $US28K for the Vector 23.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/153/509330-2.html&ei=w2v_StTfN8ymlAeE542JCw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CA8Q7gEwAjgo&prev=/search%3Fq%3DVECTOR%2B23%2Bvectronix%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-ca%26sa%3DN%26start%3D40

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 02:59:50 (ZULU)

Click

MarcS          
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 02:18:39 (ZULU)

MarcS          
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 02:08:16 (ZULU)

Heck of a buy for a WWII surplus passive rangefinder - $300.  Bring a porter, it weighs 30 lbs and is around a meter w/included tripod. :-(  300m to 20Km

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 01:40:06 (ZULU)

http://www.samcoglobal.com/Accessories.html#Rangefinder

medicjim          
Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 01:29:20 (ZULU)

Ebay has corner cube retroreflectors listed, under $100 for a unit.

http://cgi.ebay.com/10-Corner-Cube-Retroreflectors-Prism-Block-Survey_W0QQitemZ110451997176QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=&itemid=110451997176

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 01:11:29 (ZULU)

If you get to deploy your own targets, I would go with something like a recycled glass beaded projector screen staped to a plywood backer and say the Newcon LRM 2000 PRO.  $550 from Amazon for the LRM.

http://www.amazon.com/Newcon-Optik-Laser-Rangefinder-Detector/dp/B000AYG4R4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1258245875&sr=1-1

http://www.newcon-optik.com/Specs/lrm2000_lrm2500.pdf - specs

*claimed* spec is 2000M, which is likely for "perfect" target.

I suspect it would work just fine to say 1500m with a glass beaded screen reflector.

You can get a new 50x50" DaLite glass beaded screen for $85.

Just the ticket for a 48"x48" piece of plywood :-)

http://www.amazon.com/Da-Lite-Versatol-Tripod-Projection-Screen/dp/B00028DAJ8/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1258246120&sr=1-20

An automotive passive safety reflector might make a good poor-man's retroreflector, not sure how it would work with IR.  Maybe the red?

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, November 15, 2009, at 00:55:45 (ZULU)

Just a WAG, you're Mr. Optics.

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
IR_in_Pasadena, Confused, USA - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 23:03:32 (ZULU)

Are you willing to use a big optical Rangefinder like a WIld, or are you only interested in a laser?

If the later, you are S.O.L.

-

Meow :))

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 22:46:43 (ZULU)

   Need a range finder that will range hard targets such as plywood at 1200 yards for less than a grand. Hook me up with an opinion. I've found some land with a cutover I think is over 1200 yards.

Boltster out!

Bolt          
Calling Litosan, NC, - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 22:35:14 (ZULU)

Charles-congrats, sometimes operating on fumes works out best.  'Yota claims 10K towing on the Tundra.  I'm not sure I'd try to pull many hills in Texas in the summer at full load though. Looking at the engine specs, their torque points are way too high to really be pulling engines.  3600 rpm isn't where I want MY torque peaks on a tow vehicle, but I expect all the gas engines are like that now.   They're supposed to be working on a 3/4 ton diesel.  No production date/prices.  I'd kinda like one on general principles, but I know right now I'll never pay what they'll want for it.

Travis- doing 2wd to 4wd swaps puts the mechanics kids through medical school, if it's done right. Bubba'd, you could buy a brandy new truck cheaper than trying to fix it.  Engine swaps are much cheaper.  If you've got an open rear diff, sticking one of the locking widgets like the Lock Right or Power Lock in where the spider gears used to be is a hell of a lot cheaper.  So are tire chains (www.tirechainsrequired.com).

WR Moore          
Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 22:13:40 (ZULU)

Charles: Big Congrats!!!

UnPat:  The first time I glanced at your post I read, "Yote's hitting on a friend's Turkeys."  That almost dropped me.

Travis: " It's too quiet around here; Glocks and 1911's suck, and a 9mm ain't good for anything. .223's are only good for attacking herds of gerbils. John Browning was overrated, and you can't kill anything with a .30-30; everyone knows that!"

You went to my Jr. High too. I hear the sound of a fuze in the trashcan.  Also, please be careful with the 5.56 if an amorous Gerbil is running up your pantleg!

Kat Girl

p.s. What's Latin for "lulululu?"  Probably something like "Putan d'Arabes."

Kat Girl          
Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 21:50:41 (ZULU)

I was goin to bed when your first post on "Deus Vult" came across,chuckled abit as I thought about it,then first thing after waking up and was still pre coffee when I read  the rest.Good thing I was pre coffee.The monitor would have needed a wipe. Thanx for the laugh. You, yourself said it the best..."I'm a provocative bastard".Now thats Ink, with a 'Tude. Beats the shit out of my wolfpak.

Congrats on the Promotion....Overdue,Well Deserved.

Thoughts and Prayers to Mike M,just read about your Mom.

Grandson,Life and 'yotes hittin a friends domestic turkeys,keepin me plenty busy.He lost 15/18 turkey to them so I fed a couple some Hornady 165gr BTSP's to test a deer load out. Worked great....Still too many test subjects left,only comin in one at a time.Even over a dead calf.

UnPat

UnPat          
Wi, USA - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 19:57:52 (ZULU)

Travis:  I'm a distant observer of things vehicular, but I see engine swaps and rebuilds mentioned a *lot* more in the DIY mechanic shows than drive-train swaps and major drive-train upgrades.  There is likely a good reason for that.

When contemplating a potentially difficult project, it's good to look around to see how much commercial and/or hobby activity is occuring in that theme.  If you have to look really hard to find such, there is probably a good underlying reason why people are not going that way.

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 18:21:29 (ZULU)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult

Deus vult (Latin, God wills it) was the cry of the people at the declaration of the First Crusade by Pope Urban II at the Council of Clermont in 1095[1]. The phrase appears variously as deus vult, (Classical Latin) dieu le veut, (French) deus lo vult (medieval Vulgar Latin), etc.

Deus lo vult is the motto of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem, a Catholic order of chivalry.

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 18:12:26 (ZULU)

Trucks:  I'm going to need one that will reliably pull a small (17') travel trailer when I re-retire.  In comfort.  And it has to be 4x4 for jaunts into the desert.  The Nissan has done me yeoman duty, it has over 300,000 miles on it and still runs like a top, but it ain't gonna haul a trailer like that without puking it's guts out in short order.  Oh, it has to be a crew cab, 'cuz passengers are getting tired of being shrink-wrapped in that tiny cab.  

Charles S. Hunt          
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 18:10:31 (ZULU)

PA speakers, my department has used this one:

http://www.galls.com/style.html?assort=general_catalog&style=SK144

It's loud enough to grab your attention even mounted under the hood. Don't know that I'd use gunshots though. As stated, depending on AO, you could have lead coming back at you. Simulated air horn or train whistle would likely produce the desired result. ;)

BK Sain, sent you an email via roster.

Take care all!

Rob Opp

Rob Opp          
Jamestown, ND, USA - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 17:28:34 (ZULU)

   What's "Deus Vult"? And how did you pull "She thinks she owes me, or something, for feeding her all those years....." off? My stepson seemed to think everyone around him was there to serve him, once his idiot mother got him away from me! I still miss that little peckerhead; stepdads should be allowed visitation. I raised him for ten years!

  Trucks: just get a Chevy; nothing rides better. Toyotas are cute, and I don't mind having the little ones around when it's muddy to feed with because they float on top of the mud, but for anything else, I want a real truck.

   MedicJim,

   IF I get the tat, it'll just be because I want it; I've been considering it for years, but she really digs the idea.

   It's too quiet around here; Glocks and 1911's suck, and a 9mm ain't good for anything. .223's are only good for attacking herds of gerbils. John Browning was overrated, and you can't kill anything with a .30-30; everyone knows that!

Travis Morgan          
Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 17:18:48 (ZULU)

4wd swap -- your time, labor, $$ will probably be more betterly spent just looking around - ebay included - for a vehicle that's already basically there - even if the engine's shot - that's easy to replace. The drive train stuff can be filled with quirks as you debug that swap job.

/Kathy: "ohhh yes, it didn't feel good getting hit in the face by that Beehive load, but it's okay now though. CLICK Here's me on Halloween before putting on my costume..."

Kat - you probably want to setup caller ID - and screen out the weirdo's --your phone should start ringing off the hook once that pic of you gets out there in circulation - LOL...

take care,

Ken

Ken Hunter          
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 13:41:23 (ZULU)

If you are going to get a tat because your GF wants you to, I would suggest an ironclad contract with a 20 year term and specific date intervals...you need to be sure you'll see a return on your pain and permanant body marking.  Failing that.....only get one if you want it.

medicjim          
Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 13:08:17 (ZULU)

Congrats on the promotion.  Ironically, appearing too eager can sometimes spoil an opportunity to advance.

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 12:49:31 (ZULU)

Moving on up.  Sat for the promotion board for the second time, jet-lagged and coming off the 14-hour shift.  I only wanted to show up so they wouldn't think I was blowing it off, and I went in and just spoke my mind thinking I had definitely screwed that pooch.  I guess they like me semi-comatose....I'll be moving off-site as a compound supervisor.  Not a much of a raise, but I won't have to wear 50-lbs of gear for 12 hours a day.  I'm too old for that shit, anymore.  

Speaking of trucks, I'm going to have to move up from the Nissan Hardbody 4x4 V-6.  Does anyone have any knowlege of the towing capacity of the Toyota V-8's?  I like the way Ford looks, but I'm gonna want the most bang for the buck.

Charles S. Hunt          
Kabul, Wary, Afghanistan - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 11:52:01 (ZULU)

Horn and cruise both sound column related. Especially with a tilt column,IIRC that vintage was very prone to pulled or broken wires because of the tilt.Some cruise were on the t/s stalk too IIRC,check the pigtail connection along the column for that,you might have to remove a plastic cover or two but shouldnt have to invade the column.

I know its a joke but I would be very careful with gunfire over a p.a...Heard of guys gettin shot at for alot less.

UnPat

UnPat          
Wi, USA - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 09:53:31 (ZULU)

There is alot to consider. Converting your existing to 4WD is a BIG job.Swaping front axles is a part of it,but along with that is the diff ratios in the front and rear ends.In a 4wd rig the frt wheels actually turn at a different speed then the rear wheels,so to even this out (for lack of words) the wheel speed they gear the front diff slightly different from the rear.If yours isnt compatable then you need to swap out the rear diff too.Not sure here but some of the newer transfer cases may do this (compensate for F/R wheel speed).Also need to consider the difference between the front suspensions of 2wd and 4wd .

Then theres the trans and transfer case. They are big and heavy and you will need a very good tranny jack to pull them,its all creeper work here and one mistake and you have an 800lb appendage to your body. Gravity is a bummer sometimes. Theres times I wish gravity worked the other way...up instead of down.Would come in handy fitting a flywheel for a Cummins ISX.But gravity only works one way. Down. Usually on you.

With a little luck maybe both the drive shafts fit. If not then its Yellow book to find out who in the area can lengthen/shorten AND rebalance the d/shafts.

Most 4wds are automatic trans too...so if ya wanna stay with a manual trans you have to swap all the clutch linkage over.Not a big job but an added hassle as your gonna find things loose,sloppy and worn out.

If ya want to get rid of the shift handle on the steer column that means a steer column swap.

Much,Much easier to find another truck and do an eng swap.Try to do like for like on engs tho....there may be a difference on flywheel/flex plates leaving ya to comb the boneyard for a part your not sure exists.

I ran into a similar prob takin a motor out of an 84 Auto K Car goin to a 86 Stick Horizon....Bastards changed the hole pattern on the cranks on me.But I found a flywheel for an 84 stick car.So that story had a happy ending.

I guess times have changed some since I got my last tatt....I happily swapped a BP replica Colt for one of my last pieces. I bought it(gun) for an Ex G/F. The pistol now resides in Missouri......Good Place for it :))))). As far as the ex....??? Couldnt tell ya.

UnPat

UnPat          
Wi, USA - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 09:17:27 (ZULU)

Kat Girl          
LA, CA, USA - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 08:30:31 (ZULU)

   I was figuring when I build the aux. tank, I'd plumb a piece of stainless tubing through it that attaches to the hot water.

   Tats:     The tat guy I spoke with today damn near wet himself when I offered to bring in the gun I want tatooed on my arm! Chickenshit hopolophobe! I damn near couldn't carry on a conversation with his industrial accident victim girlfriend standing there; now I know what pirates used to look like after being shot with a cannon full of nails and shit!

   I was considering trying to find a 4WD front end and tranny so I'd have 4WD, but everyone tells me it'd be easier to just find a 4WD and swap engines. What do you think? I'm no mechanice, but on a truck this size, wouldn't it be fairly straightforward, as opposed to pulling the engine, redoing wiring harnesses and shit, then finding out half the shit under the hood is scrap?

Travis Morgan          
Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 08:04:59 (ZULU)

   Also, what type of PA speakers do the put on cop cars? I was considering hooking one up to my C.B., just for the hell of it. It ought to be fun once in a while. It'd be fun to have a button that makes it sound like gunfire when some jackass can't figure out what the green light means!

   John,

   I'll probably not get it; I just wondered what other people thought of the tat design itself, not the idea of getting one.

   Personally, I find them distasteful for the most part, and know very few people with tats that don't consider them as a stupid thing they did as a kid. I'm still glad I didn't get "Bushmaster" in four inch letter across my chest in four inch letters when I was 19 and unaware of the rifle company by that name.... Thank GOD I'd spent all my money on booze and tacos.

   Kat,

    I HAVE been eyeing the mustang Cobra kit cars pretty hard; the cobalt blue ones with skunk stripes look pretty awesome. I think I'd like a fast one and another on an S-10 chassis with mud tires and a hotrod motor, too. But where to put the gun rack?

Travis Morgan          
Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 07:50:22 (ZULU)

Its been a few years since I been under a p/up that old and I dont remember if our shop truck had dual tanks,single exhaust or dual exaust but any good exhaust shop with a pipe bender should be able to help ya out,( I might be wrong but...) for the most part I would forget about the local Midas.

Every once in awhile I come across a rig set up with an ArticFox setup and basically what these do is circulate coolant(warmed) thru the one or both fuel tanks.

Nice idea...but ugly when they leak into the fuel tank.Sooner or later it WILL leak.

My thoughts: Tap into the return side of the fuel system and use the warmed fuel  from the eng to warm the veggie oil.That way if it leaks it will only thin out the veggie oil with fuel...instead of coolant.

Tatts:

Can be very addicting.They are like potato chips and AR's ya cant have just ONE.If ya get one make sure it means something to you personally.Chicks come and go.Avoid gettin a girls name.

Also.....Check out and ask about the sterilalizing equipment they use.Autoclave is standard,but doesnt kill bugs if the operator doesnt know how to use it.Ultrasound is very good. Ultrasound AND an autoclave is about the best.Next best is requesting an unused/unopened package of needles thats been autoclaved.They come sterile and sealed but a good artist WILL autoclave them anyway.

First is to check and see if your State has a Board of Health standard for tattooists. Snake in Colorado had this motto: "I can cover someone elses bad work,I cant give/get that guy his life back from dirty needles." He petitioned the State of Colorado to have a Health Dept Standard for all shops to meet.I couldnt tell ya if he is still slingin ink or not.Great guy to deal with tho.He did my cross on my right shoulder.

Prices: You get what ya pay for...expect it to be expensive.If it aint...Run, Dont walk ...Away. Your payin for the guys time and his equipment.It will show.

Whatever he/she gives ya for instructions: Follow them to the letter.

Any artist worth his gun WILL NOT ink you if you have been drinking.It thins out the blood and washes the ink out of the tattoo.So dont even think of havin a beer.Ask if your meds can/will be a problem.

Getting Ink is a very personal choice....Its your body..And trust me when I say this they ARE permanent.I currently have nine,and never had an infection or illness from them but I have seen others that werent so lucky.Hep (hepatitus) is no fun. Neither is HIV or blood poisoning from being in dirty conditions with an open wound.

Its YOUR choice to get one....Get it because YOU want it.

UnPat

UnPat          
Wi, USA - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 07:49:03 (ZULU)

" Let's put it to a vote; is the tat stupid or not? "

  If I were so unsure of the wisdom of making a permanent cosmetic change that I threw the question open to a bunch of people I'd never met, then I'd sleep on it.

  For about the next ten years.

  YMMV

  John

John Coupland          
Shefford, Quebec, Canada - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 07:21:32 (ZULU)

Any of you remember the commercial with the guy getting a tattoo of his GFs name but he didn't have enough cash so it was a guys name?  Hilarious.

Bonne nuit John

Hey Travis,

Ow, that's a lot of writing!  I was going to suggest that old Colt advertisement of the cowboy by the campfire nodding off, but that's probably more words.  Tattoos are so common anymore that it's no longer a mark of middle-age crazy (unless you go out and get a red corvette too).  Hey, if your gf likes it...  Our generation took balding guys shaving heads and turned it into a style!  go for it.

I'm thinking of one myself

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
PasOfSouth, CA, USA - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 07:08:13 (ZULU)

   I think ya nailed it; I'm pretty sure I DID have the A/C running! Thanks for the insight on the tank switch.

   I got underneath it this evening (after dark) to look at some stuff; was considering installing a dual exhaust as a future project (will the dual fuel tanks both on one side preclude my doing this?) when I noticed what appears to be a vacuum line coiled up and wrapped around something to keep it out of the way; now I wanna figure out WTF it goes to and why it's like that; glad I have the previous owner's number... somewhere.

   I'm considering doing a veggie oil conversion, and figured I'd put an auxilliary fuel tank in the back with a line running from the "out" side of the radiator, through the tank, to the "in" side of the radiator to heat the veggie oil. What do you guys think? I figure it'll keep the engine a little cooler, but would it trash my water pump? For the $2.50/gallon I save, should I give a shit?

   Someone fully Mexicanised this ride before I got it, and put one of those dumbass fairings on the roof as well as one of those idiotic visors over the windshield. What should I use to plug the holes? Bondo? JB Weld? (since I always try to have it on hand) Also, like every damned Ford I've had, the roof leaks! (How FUCKING HARD is it to keep a welded steel roof from leaking?) I'm thinking the seal around the running lights on the roof might be to blame; would cutting up some inner tube or the rubber sheeting from homo depot suffice for a seal between the lights and the metal?

   And finally...

   Today, on a whim, I visited a tatoo shop with the girlfriend; she's pretty turned on by tatoos, but I could GAS, for the most part, but have been considering a tat that has a six shooter on it with "blessed are the peacemakers" below it. ....then, it occured to me; I've turned into the middle aged guy that leaves his wife, gets a bigger truck, a younger woman,(by ten months) and a tatoo! LOL, fuck it!

   Whadda ya think on the tat? At least I'm not getting the same douchebag tribal or barbed wire band every frat brat gets to "show his individuality" by getting THE SAME TATOO EVERYONE ELSE HAS!

   Let's put it to a vote; is the tat stupid or not? I figure to put it on the upper arm; no sense in putting it anywhere else.  

   Well, this sinus infection's whoopin' my ass again; off to take more meds!

Travis Morgan          
Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 06:17:03 (ZULU)

I'll be the first to admit them little diesels aren't my forte,but fuel systems for the most part are pretty basic and I gave a quick rough overview.And its also taking alot of things for granted and are still working the way they are supposed too.Over here in Wi a still working R12 a/c system is pretty much the 9th wonder of the world.

Travis,

Something else to consider to would be the fuel lines themselves....Especial if they are steel tube lines.They like to rust out under neath the anchoring straps that the factory uses to mount them to the frame rail.Some pinhole perforations on the suction side will give ya gray hair days.

UnPat

UnPat          
Wi, USA - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 04:30:17 (ZULU)

That was very informative and helpful, and I don't even work on engines :-) Electrons are my medium of choice...

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 02:25:28 (ZULU)

Are you leaving the vent control switch in "Defroster" position as opposed to "Vent" or "Floor" .If yours is a/c equipped  and you have the selector in the "Defrost" setting what this does is activate( if a/c equipped) the a/c compressor,so it blows cold(er) air on the windshield to clear it.To compensate for the extra drag on the (cold)motor the manufactures raise the idle a 100-150 rpms higher.

Cant help ya with a remote start....Leaving a vehicle running unattended around here is an open invite to lose that vehicle.

Fuel level sending units is a good place to start if the fuel gauge no workie.My guess as to why it takes so long for the tank switch over may be a lazy solenoid.This could be from dirty wire connections,bad grounds,and also a weak solenoid itself.Some systems (because of high fuel pressures) need the fuel pressure to drop in one fuel line before the valve can move over to the other fuel line.If you ran one tank completely empty, the system sucks air and gets air bound,you will have to crank and crank to make the system regain its prime. Dont make a habit out of this...it will cost you a starter at the very least.Its easier on all the parts if you drop/swap out the dry filter for one thats filled.If you cant swap out the filter at least drop the filter and refill it with fresh fuel,just remember any rust,dirt and crud got picked up off the bottom of your fuel tank and you could have a plugged or partially plugged fuel filter.Every fuel filter I tried to reuse in an "out of fuel" scenario has leaked,so its my thing to replace them instead of reusing them.

UnPat

UnPat          
Wi, USA - Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 02:02:10 (ZULU)

what am I doing?  No kicking ant hills. bad Kat.

Happy again! Fixed my Match RWS pistol whoot whoot

me - don't like working on cars.  oil ick.  But I won't fault anyone who likes it <lol> evil, destructive car engines j/k j/k

wow just found a 5x7"x 1" thick Aluminum alloy plate - I shall name it my home made SAPI plate. Ha...not.  What a grindstone that would be, and I can see AP burn right through it.  I think it originally came from a M113 door

Kat Girl          
Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 00:51:59 (ZULU)

   My 1988 F-250 with a pre powerstroke 7.3 is idling kinda fast when I start it sometimes; no change when I tap or rev the accelerator, but it will sometimes idle down if I drive it a little way,  then stop, but not always. WTH?

   Also, does anyone know who makes a good programmable remote start that'll play nice with a 5 speed diesel? I'd heard of someone making one that you could set to run for a few minutes every few hours or so, but have no idea who it was.

   Also, what do I need to replace to get the fuel gauges to work? I've already done the walk of shame/stupidity march when I ran one tank dry and didn't realise that it takes a while for the tank switch to work. Also, WHY would it take a while to get it to run after I hit the tank switch?

Travis Morgan          
Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 00:40:38 (ZULU)

We haven't th brains or the balls to win against a determined opponent.

CDC'          
Friday, November 13, 2009, at 20:44:12 (ZULU)

Duman          
Friday, November 13, 2009, at 15:48:52 (ZULU)

You may resume napping :-)  It would take a *big* stretch to create a circumstance where Coanda effect would be applicable to exterior ballistics.

The web site I referenced for background on the Coanda effect has details a literate junior-high student would understand...

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, November 13, 2009, at 15:26:23 (ZULU)

... taking cover now....

Duman          
Friday, November 13, 2009, at 13:50:57 (ZULU)

I liked Pete and I miss his stories of working all day and hunting pigs all night then going right back to work the next day.

MarcS          
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Friday, November 13, 2009, at 05:20:59 (ZULU)

If you have that bad a reaction to the Anthrax have the docs CEASE FIRE; make sure it gets annotated in your records; get the military hospital or your company issue you a red MEDIC ALERT dogtag.  I had allergic reactions to all the Anthrax shots and they stopped after shot 5 of 6 after my arm ballooned up.

sinister          
Friday, November 13, 2009, at 03:46:39 (ZULU)

I think I just remembered where I saw it mentioned:

STINE, G(eorge) HARRY (1928-1997);

The Coanda Effect, (ar) Analog Jul 1984

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, November 13, 2009, at 02:59:02 (ZULU)

Believe me nerdettes - I'm not showing off.  We (I) often lack common sense and organizational skills e.g. Einstein's hair and those Manhattan Project scientists who didn't know how to read a gas guage in the car.  Two examples today.  I turned on the wrong switch for the stove...pot stayed cold, a shopping bag I accidentally left a corner on a burner I don't use melted.  My contact lens tore, so I'm reaching in my medical drawer for a replacement and picked up a condom...you know - I'd rather have the organizational skills :)

Analog - omg you read that too??  During the 60s or 70s can't remember, anyway in the middle of the Vietnam conflict?  Analog had a short story basically themed on Pole Beam.  When I read about that op years later - well, wish I had kept all my old issues!  They were the first I knew of to mention how teflon used as a lube for Al bolts would pop!

The name of the teakettle stream sticking to the neck effect.  Sci Am had an article about it a lonng time ago - read it as a little nerdster :)  Rod, you know lots too, I mean Vela after all?  Should check out the mythological character too <hey wiki taught me it's Latin for "ship sails" too.  Vela or Coanda would be a great name for a dog.  Besides - I've learned bunches from the articles you send.

I lost my .44cal brush but whoot found my Dewey 5.56 adapters!  So it's Fall cleaning time!

Kat Girl

Baby boomers...squeezed between their families on one side, work or finding work in a bad economy in the middle and aging parents on the other.  My heart goes out to all.

Kat Girl          
Friday, November 13, 2009, at 02:11:09 (ZULU)

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-coanda-effect.htm

I heard the term before, does that count for any points?

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, November 13, 2009, at 02:06:46 (ZULU)

Jim, noticed the bbl has some Cu wash in it so I'm going to clean it first, okay?

I use Firefox with add ons like this one (downloadhelper.net) and Tor.

I can send it to you as an mpeg, 'kay?

see? just did this one:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1288265609665

What's fun, is that I then select clips using my video editor or for explosions etc I can slow it down even more.

Kathy

p.s. 'lito two optical benches, remarkable!  Quick, what's the Coanda effect? ;)

Kat Girl          
Friday, November 13, 2009, at 00:22:42 (ZULU)

firearm manuals as .PDF for download, including obscure/obsolete models

http://stevespages.com/page7b.htm

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 23:07:17 (ZULU)

Backwoods Home has a lot of relevant material:

http://www.backwoodshome.com/store/files/anthologies.html

A great survial blog is this one:

http://www.survivalblog.com/

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 22:56:34 (ZULU)

Rod: THANK YOU for that link!  It didn't directly have the 6M, but because of that and following some other links I now have the manual for my Dan Wesson AND the patent for the dual piston recoilles mechanism for the Diana!  My project rifle is too old to be in that page :)

MedicJim - I read in Sci Digest a million years ago that someone was experimenting with catfish as a source of food, fertilizer and lots of methane.  Also heard that even though water hyacinth is a pest, a field of it does an amazing job of actually pulling out impurities of various kinds as water goes through them.  

Also, if you read one of the introductions of the Frugal Gourmet series of books, his mother converted the garage into a big rabbit hutch during the depression to ensure a continuing good source of protein for her kids.  My friend Steve, same thing, one of the kids chores was to bring back armfuls of weeds from a next-door lot.  Chickens are great for keeping snails from ivy and goats are incredible gardeners.

Just some ideas.  Oh btw with all that happened it set me back, but I'm going to get on the shipping task as soon as my brain clears :)  I cleaned the bbl carefully and it looks great inside and out!

Jake:  That makes my stomach hurt but it sure goes along with must-dos for urban population control.  Can we have a Forum based Fortified Hamlet program? I am going feel the need to be with like-minded Musk Ox

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 22:48:07 (ZULU)

   Get on Ebay and get the whole set; they're filled with woods lore and how to's. Consider a wood fired water heater; they're friggin' awesome! Want a shower with four heads in it and unlimited hot water? You got it! Swedish triplets coming over for an orgy? Heh, heh, just add a little firewood!

Travis Morgan          
Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 17:05:48 (ZULU)

The variants of chickens I have worked with allow fertilized eggs to rot.  I was thinking something like rotting organic fermentation as a heat source.

I am not familiar with foxfire books...please clue me in.  Checking amazon in the meantime.

I have water and wood covered.  I designed my home in 2001 around the premise of heating with gas, oil or wood. I do more than half my heating with wood.  My property has a stream that runs 365 days a year and I have the abiity to divert and store runoff in an elevated reserve.

medicjim          
Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 16:54:50 (ZULU)

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/10/john-lott-ft-hood-end-gun-free-zone/

John Lott  

- FOXNews.com

- November 10, 2009

Time to Put An End to Army Bases as Gun-Free Zones

It is hard to believe that we don't trust soldiers with guns on an army base when we trust these very same men in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Shouldn't an army base be the last place where a terrorist should be able to shoot at people uninterrupted for 10 minutes? After all, an army base is filled with soldiers who carry guns, right? Unfortunately, that is not the case. Beginning in March 1993, under the Clinton administration, the army forbids military personnel from carrying their own personal firearms and mandates that "a credible and specific threat against [Department of the Army] personnel [exist] in that region" before military personnel "may be authorized to carry firearms for personal protection." Indeed, most military bases have relatively few military police as they are in heavy demand to serve in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The unarmed soldiers could do little more than cower as Major Nidal Malik Hasan stood on a desk and shot down into the cubicles in which his victims were trapped. Some behaved heroically, such as private first class Marquest Smith who repeatedly risked his life removing five soldiers and a civilian from the carnage. But, being unarmed, these soldiers were unable to stop Hasan's attack.

The wife of one of the soldiers shot at Ft. Hood understood this all too well. Mandy Foster's husband had been shot but was fortunate enough not to be seriously injured. In an interview on CNN on Monday night, Mrs. Foster was asked by anchor John Roberts how she felt about her husband "still scheduled for deployment in January" to Afghanistan. Ms. Foster responded: "At least he's safe there and he can fire back, right?" -- It is hard to believe that we don't trust soldiers with guns on an army base when we trust these very same men in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unfortunately, most of CNN's listeners probably didn't understand the rules that Ms. Foster was referring to.

The law-abiding, not the criminals, are the ones who obey the ban on guns. Instead of making areas safe for victims, the bans make it safe for the criminal. Hasan not only violated the army's ban on carrying a gun, he also apparently violated the rules that require soldiers to register privately owned guns at the post.

Research shows that allowing individuals to defend themselves dramatically reduces the rates of multiple victim public shootings. Even if attacks still occur, having civilians with permitted concealed handguns limits the damage. A major factor in determining how many people are harmed by these killers is the amount of time that elapses between when the attack starts and someone is able to arrive on the scene with a gun. Ten minutes must have seemed like an eternity to those trapped in the attack at Ft. Hood. All the multiple victim public shootings in the U.S. -- in which more than three people have been killed -- have all occurred in places where concealed handguns have been banned.

For several days now, some in the media and various gun control groups have focused on a so-called "cop killer" gun that Hasan used. The five-seven is a conventional semi-automatic pistol. In fact, the bullets that it fires are relatively small, only being in the .22 caliber class. Unlike rifles, even higher caliber handguns don't fire publicly available ammunition at sufficient velocity to penetrate a police officer's vest. There is a special type of handgun ammunition that can penetrate some types of body armor, but under federal law it is not legal to manufacture or import that ammunition for sale to the public.

For the safety of our soldiers and citizens, we hope that this simple fact about the Ft. Hood attack and the role that gun-free zones played in allowing yet another multiple victim public shooting becomes part of the news coverage itself. The political debate about guns would be quite different if even once in a while a news story clearly explained that there has been another multiple victim public shooting in a gun-free zone.

John R. Lott, Jr. is a FoxNews.com contributor. He is an economist and author of "More Guns, Less Crime."

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 16:45:13 (ZULU)

   The old way of incubating eggs is to let the hen keep them!

   I assume you have the Foxfire books? Irrigation is typically a gravity thing, if you're doing without a pump. A lot of people who've never tried to live TOTALLY off the land don't realise what a full time job it is. You're either always cutting wood or always hauling water, or both.

Travis Morgan          
Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 16:37:15 (ZULU)

My thoughts are with you and your family.  Keep fighting the good fight.

Duman          
Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 16:22:16 (ZULU)

Old tricks for managing plant disease, irrigation, organic fertilization, small plot livestock mgmt... I'd love to have authoritative texts in my library.

medicjim          
Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 16:12:45 (ZULU)

I received this email alert lately

What are your thoughts on this, aside from comments that may get you locked up?

On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.

The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face

Read the Article

U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush’s administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

The Full Article

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

Jake

Jake          
Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 14:31:58 (ZULU)

All - click on my name or go to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY&feature=player_embedded#

Any questions? I didn't think so. Someone please save this locally. I don't know how to do the you-tube video local download.

thanks,

Ken

Ken Hunter          
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 14:22:08 (ZULU)

Guys thanks for kind words. Mom says she changed her mind and will undergo treatment.

Joe how common is it for numbness in hand after the Anthrax Shot? Three of my fingers where numb a month and now at two mont mark just one has reduced feeling. Another guy in group has same thing. Came on six hours after the shot.

Ken sent you an article awhile back. You get it?

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller          
ca, - Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 13:55:39 (ZULU)

He said this while in the process of doing just that. I do not like President Obama. I don't think that admission shocks anyone here, but I do support him as our Commander-in-Chief and hope for every success. I fear though, that he has so little regard for anyone else's opinions or experience that History is lost on him as it was on LBJ.

NOT to decide IS to decide. The big headlines today are about him rejecting all his advisor's opinions/requests in regard to Afghanistan, and seeking other paths to "success" (however he defines that). His ...unwillingness to decide on a course of action will leave our men there hanging. That whole society is quick to sense weakness, and our enemies will multiply. Then things might get REALLY bad. Our people are at the end of a long, looonng logistics trail. A retreat from A'stan would make the bail-out of Vietnam look like departure for a family vacation.

God send that Mr. O. settle on something (anything) and sticks with it (however out-of-character that may be). And God save our troops (MIL and CIV, Charles).

Comments? Please tell me I'm wrong.

SSG Mac          
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, MOLON LABE. - Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 12:32:01 (ZULU)

CDC'          
Stamp out gun neglect - Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 06:04:34 (ZULU)

Travis Morgan          
Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 04:25:43 (ZULU)

I think that good people going out in hard painful ways is hard to understand.  I once had a second cousin named Sam.  He came back from Vietnam with white hair, and was already fighting a losing battle with MS.  I once asked him (being young and callow)how he managed to always be so cheerful, even when he had gotten to the point he could hardly stand or talk.  He looked at me and said "Learn from this, and use the lesson someday" or words to that effect.  I didn't figure out for years what he meant.  Courage, and character in the face of something you ain't gonna beat, cheat or wiggle out of.  I hope I have the guts Sam had.

Charles S. Hunt          
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 02:30:51 (ZULU)

I know this isn't airguns country, but if anyone knows anything about these thigies...I have a RWS Diana 6M match airpistol.  Single break action .177.  It's been in storage awhile and I just found it and upon pumping as far as the stop, the sear won't engage, is that a lube problem or something?

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
Dublin, Ireland - Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 00:57:32 (ZULU)

I hear you on that possibly not being Irish.  But I don't quite think it is Indianapolisan, either.

hahaha, I kill me.  But ya'll do a better job.

Sean T          
Winnipeg , Mb, Canuckistania - Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 00:06:51 (ZULU)

I might be wrong about the Irish part <g>.

medicjim          
Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 19:39:16 (ZULU)

Charles, ok, I'll bite.  What the heck is a JATWISH?  ????

Any and All, Today is the day to unite in remembering.  The respects to those who have served, are serving, and will serve.  Not just those who passed.  And also, not just today.  Keep remembering!

I (and We) will keep supporting and thanking you.

Sean T.          
Winnipeg , Manitoba, Canuckistania - Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 19:12:59 (ZULU)

4i's          
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 18:30:35 (ZULU)

Thanks to all our Veterans (served and serving).

MikeM - prayers for your safe activity and Mom.

All others - take a minute and give thanks for our Veterans.

God Bless,

Ken

Ken Hunter          
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 17:05:10 (ZULU)

You and Chuck WY6 and check it often!

God Bless you and all our folks, military, public service etc. that are in harms way!

HAPPY VETERNS DAY!!

Sarge          
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 15:14:52 (ZULU)

Storm          
SA, TX, USA - Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 12:34:55 (ZULU)

Yup, more than one.

-

'lito

         
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 11:16:02 (ZULU)

CDC' you're right and well written.  There are simply no words.

Kat Girl          
Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 09:48:40 (ZULU)

Shoot me a physical addy.

Don't take unnecessary risks and stay in yellow.

That last part goes for you also, Charles.  Be cautious.

CDC'          
Stamp out gun neglect - Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 08:57:43 (ZULU)

Thanks.  Wilco.  What we have here, more than a concerted effort, is 200 or more separate civil wars.  Stay out of the Wazooistan valley, no one cares about America. Put in a FOB, and now you are the hated enemy.  These folks hate the guys from the next valley, so hating us is no big surprise, except to the dumbass politicians.  They'll take our help to toss out the Taliban that are in THEIR valley, but once that's over, ya better unass the AO or you are now top of the list. Too bad we can't ask Alexander how many troops he committed to this JATWISH of a country, probably as many as we will, with the same result.  Whatever, as long as DoS keeps shovelling out the paychecks, tomorrow is a good day.

Mike, LMK how it's going.  Don't know what else to say that would help.  

Charles S. Hunt          
Kabul, Afghanistan - Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 06:42:01 (ZULU)

Seriously - Stay alive and dish it out!  You guys are on my hero list.

Kat Girl

p.s. 'lito you must have more than one optical bench!

Kat Girl          
Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 05:24:13 (ZULU)

Charles:  Check 6 often--with the announcement of "the plan" from "the one"--I expect some reactions from the bad guys.  A little Tet to cement the opposition in congress, for example.  Those clowns have shown a capacity to mass that was unheard of in my days yonder.  You reside in the HVT of HVTs.  

So do WY6 in the coming weeks...

You remain in our prayers, too.  My girls wouldn't hear otherwise:-))  Their list of heros isn't very long--most here could name them...and you've been on that list for a while now.

Joe M          
Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 04:51:56 (ZULU)

Charles S. Hunt          
Kabul, Afghanistan - Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 03:40:43 (ZULU)

Hmmmm?

Yes, very Hmmmmmm!

-

Meow Man.

         
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 02:45:01 (ZULU)

http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=413910

California Firearms Company Relocates to Sturgis, South Dakota

PIERRE, S.D. - South Dakota is getting a new firearms manufacturing company. Bar-Sto, a maker of auto pistol barrels, will relocate its operations from Twentynine Palms, Calif., to Sturgis in the first half of 2010 and broke ground on their new facility today. The firm expects to bring 18 jobs to Sturgis in the next three years.

“Bar-Sto is exactly the kind of quality company we look to recruit,” said Gov. Mike Rounds. “It is a family-owned company, has been in the firearms industry more than 40 years, and has a varied clientele that includes major gun manufacturers, private citizens and custom gunsmiths.”

In addition to selling barrels to top gun makers, Bar-Sto barrels have also been used by the U.S. Marine Corps Marksmanship Unit, National Guard and Air Force teams, as well as in major pistol tournaments such as Camp Perry, the USPSA Nationals, Steel Challenge and the Masters.

“South Dakota is really a great place to do business,” said Irv Stone, second-generation owner of Bar-Sto. “The differences in the tax climates between California and South Dakota are night and day, and we have been treated real well by the GOED (Governor’s Office of Economic Development) and the Sturgis Area Economic Development.”

Bar-Sto plans to build a 6,000-square-foot building in the Sturgis industrial park. The company received workforce development funds and relocation assistance through GOED and is partnering with Sturgis on the building.

“We are very pleased that Irv Stone, his family and Bar-Sto have decided to relocate to Sturgis,” said Paul Bisson, co-chairman of the Sturgis Economic Development Corporation board. “We believe it will be a great fit for the company and the Sturgis community. We are very proud of our workforce and believe the company will benefit from this move.”

__________________

  \\

On a personal note, before the US ITAR export rules got so stupid, I purchased two Bar Sto barrels for S&W autopistols.  Significant improvement in accuracy.  

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 02:42:11 (ZULU)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29330_Page2.html

medicjim          
Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 02:32:38 (ZULU)

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway          
The cloudy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 23:47:25 (ZULU)

Again, You are doing a lot for your mom and I bet she knows it too!  She won't be alone.

Best and you'll be in my thoughts and prayers..

Kat

Kat Girl          
Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 23:34:41 (ZULU)

Prayers going your mom's and your way.

JLU

Joe Udelhofen          
Oconomowoc, WI, USA - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 23:22:26 (ZULU)

Sorry about your Mom.  Both of you will be in my prayers.

Cheers & WY6,

Doc

Doc Holloway          
The cloudy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 22:48:43 (ZULU)

Agreed about the MIL folks. They do wonders that no one can ever know or appreciate.

SSG Mac          
Back on my meds, much calmer now..., - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 21:33:19 (ZULU)

That asshole that was shooting people from the trunk of his car with a teenage accomplice around the D.C. area back in 'O2 will die tonight. Unfortunately it will be by lethal injection. I can think of many more appropriate methods but at least he will get it and soon.

click

MarcS          
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 21:17:34 (ZULU)

HDR          
OK, - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 21:10:53 (ZULU)

medicjim          
Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 19:53:42 (ZULU)

Hard to leave, but will early in December. Deal with home stuff and then return.

I have to say this is best mission I have ever been a part of. OPSEC does not allow me to say more on this forum but Joe over beers I would love to tell you about it.

Our country owes so much to these folks. If I ever hear anyone say a bad thing about our Military folks I will probably be in prison for what will most likely be an uncontrolled event.

Joe thanks again for all you have done

God Bless our Troops.

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller          
Ca, - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 18:08:50 (ZULU)

I use two HP Strobotacs.  They can be slaved together or fired separately.  I have a microphone trigger, an infrared beam trigger, and a wire "make or break" trigger.

The nice thing about them is the strobe arc is a line about .3" so they work great for Schlieren systems without loosing any light going through the gates... and the colour temp is ~7,000 Kelvin so they can do colour Schlieren with about 20cc of yellow.

>"behind me wifhth a C, a CCW...I lovesh ya all..."<

Has her been in the dark rum again :)))

-

rod.

Most often these data sheets are written by office folks, not engineers... and they are proof read by spell and grammar checkers, not engineers.... technical details are the first victim of this process.  I mean, what is a few zero's along the way.

Here's the quandary.  To have a fast strobe, you need high voltage and low current, plus a very (repeat VERY) low impedance path, which means short (on the order of ~1/4 to 3/8ths") electrode spacing... which means no "computer" circuitry in the way of the capacitor dump.  These high speed strobes have power ranges in the 1/2 to 4 watt range.  If you increase the power, you need to increase the path distance and gas pressure.  In hobby use, general purpose strobes, you have all that computer crapola in the path, including a "quench circuit" to turn things off when the "right amount of light" has been released... all of which is inconsistent with the design of very high speed strobes.

Over optimistic???  I would say "creative" in language translation and copy department.

-

Kitty whomper

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 17:13:43 (ZULU)

Man, you are so big that you resolve conflict by your presence - understanding not necessary, other than understanding that "the hurt" is not too far away!

Stay safe!!

Mike

B          
AUSTX, - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 16:32:38 (ZULU)

I like the phrase "unilateral personal disarmament".  Conveys the right tone.  Who says the antis have to pick our vocabulary...

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 16:23:59 (ZULU)

I've been opining for the last couple of days that "Once again, gun-free zones prove to be the most dangerous place to be when the shooting starts."  If soldiers are not competent to go armed, what the hell are we doing sending them into battle?  And present policy declares them to be incompetent.

I don't mean that you let every man go armed without restriction, but I do mean that every leader - from a squad leader on up - always be armed with his sidearm as a matter of policy.  These men are warriors - treat them as such!

I know that this is overly simplistic - but the present policy of, effectively, "every man unarmed" in ZI, and "all weapons unloaded" in "safe" areas of combat zones, is simply insane. If you know that everyone in some area is unarmed, or that his weapon is unloaded, you know where the soft targets are.  You don't see armed robberies in gun stores.

I work at a hardware store which sells guns and usually has a few armed people moving about the store.  The shop next to us is a general merchandise store.  A few weeks ago, there was an armed robbery.  Guess which store was hit?  (not ours)

Happy Birthday, Marines!

Mike

BMG Mike          
AUSTX, - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 16:06:32 (ZULU)

LTChip          
Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 15:31:27 (ZULU)

I carried illegally when I was flying in the Navy.  Came in handy once in Mogadishu.

One of the worst casualties of the cold war was the neutron bomb.  Cleanup would be easier and you could move into the buildings aferward.....

Charles S. Hunt          
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 14:37:36 (ZULU)

medicjim          
Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 14:00:57 (ZULU)

General George Casey you left your stones at your last maneuver unit. There I said it in print in a public forum: you've got an open & shut case. Take me to court you little weasel.

If he or any of the rest of the General Officer corps had any stones, somebody there would have been armed. If the field grade officers in his chain of Command had any stones Douchebag Al Hasan wouldn't have been there.

AAAARRRGHGGGH! I'M SICK OF THESE LIMP-WRISTED, POLITICALLY SAVVY, DOUCHEBAGS GETTING BETTER MEN KILLED SO THEY WON'T LOOK BAD!

I spent 10 of my 15 years in service carrying illegaly because otherwise men under my command would have been defenseless. I may have been just a dumb-assed NCO, but I risked the end of my career, fines, and probable imprisonment for what I knew to be right, despite the fact that it was against the rules.

I was nearly told to patrol a F**KING WAR ZONE with an unloaded weapon so this same officer wouldn't have to explain too many NDs in his command. An order BTW that I would have cheerfully disobeyed.

Joe, you rightly said to me that we have officers coming up who've got real experience in what matters, well, we can't get rid of these puffed-up gendings fast enough. You got an e-mail on the rifleman acct.

What?! Well, yes; I'm a little worked up, why'd you ask?

Edited to add:

What Hasan did was not terrorism, it was treason. As a serving officer he took up arms against the armed forces of his own nation in a time of war. His motives (though obvious to anyone not twisting pretzel-like to avoid them) don't matter. The proper course of action is not in doubt: Courts-Martial followed by execution. You will not see this. I don't know what theraputic, third-way will be found to do it, but they will somehow drag this into the civilian courts where it will stretch on until we beg them to end it before we all slit our own wrists. Then we'll all get to pay for his room & board for a couple of decades while it's appealed. Half of us will die before that malignant little oxigen thief.

...but I'm not bitter.

SSG Mac          
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 12:48:58 (ZULU)

Once you see this, go to my Tsar Soviet one.  50MT 3 stage.  They actually scaled it down from 100MT by replacing the Uranium tamper.  That one actually blew atmosphere out into space and it went to the air-force limit of atmosphere.  Any bigger would just blow more atmosphere off so it would be a waste.  

Shock wave went three times around the earth.  Those crazy Russians.  (yield)^2/3 which is why MIRV and CBU, but the Tsar would be able to vaporize any big city. Thermal burns so far away it's hard to grasp.

In a way, it's too bad that that one physics nuclear solution of a big test of actually causing the fusion of Oxygen didn't happen.  Then we wouldn't be worrying about any Yee-Had.

I wouldn't want to see one of these dropped in Afghanistan.  Now if they could make a Neutron bomb which selectively fry testes and amygdalae, I bet the women would make a moderate country fast.  No, I'm hardly a man hater.  It's just that it used to be a moderate country.

Cheap fuel.  If we blew one in the ice in the Arctic, we'd have so much fusionable material, we'd have energy forever.

Oh, if your interested, I edited a video of the Russian version of our big flashbang.  I took a section out and slowed it down, so you can see the cloud ignite and ended the cut when the overpressure got to the camera - those nutty Russians keeping up with the Joneses again.  They claim it's not to worry about, just for urban control 8^o

Kat Girl          
Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 12:30:59 (ZULU)

Keep at least one fuel filter in the cab in case of emergency (bad fuel), Fleetguard and Wix filters are good.  The Extender version of the Fleetguard stretches oil changes by about 50%-check your manual.

I run Shell Rotella T 15W-40 in all my diesels.  Tractor Supply has had the best prices in 5 gallon pails (roughly 12-14 qts per change).  Whatever oil you use, make sure it's diesel specification oil.  Had a acquaintance that didn't bother and lunched his engine with about 7K miles on it.

Fuel additives.  The low and ultra low diesel has a greater need for anti-gel additives than the old style.  Don't depend upon the "winter blends" that the local fuel suppliers claim they have.  I've used whats now CRC Fuel Therapy in arctic conditions and it keeps the injectors clean and the fuel flowing.  Figure 1 oz/4 gallons of fuel for most usage.  I run that mix year round.  Lucas fuel treatment also cleans injectors and does indeed lower exhaust gas temps, no anti-gel properties though.  Stabilizer??????

If there isn't an engine block heater, get one.  If you find you need it to start up above zero, change your glow plugs.

If you're gonna pull weight with that truck, I'd strongly suggest you add an engine exhaust gas temperature gauge.  Especially since that engine didn't originally have a turbo-melting pistons is baaaad.  I don't have my tech manual in front of me, but the Powerstroke limit was around 1400 degrees measured 4 inches in front of the turbo.  I mounted behined the turbo and knocked a couple of hundred degrees off the allowable temperature and haven't blown the engine yet.  A manifold boost gauge is also nice, you can use it to stretch fuel mileage.

WR Moore          
Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 12:19:30 (ZULU)

CDC:  I'll give ya a review that you can quote.  Imortalized for freakin' sayin' freakin?  Naw thanks.  I can do better for you, and your handiwork deserves no less than my reasoned and well thought praise.  Seriously.

Joe M          
Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 05:37:08 (ZULU)

suggest editing your post to change the apparent typos.

"untrusted" => "entrusted".  I'm pretty sure that is what you were intending to say.

Great statement, btw

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 05:14:42 (ZULU)

The FL-50 english "Instructions" manual for the FL-50 claims otherwise.  I checked it really carefully.

http://www.olympus.co.jp/en/support/imsg/digicamera/download/manual/accessories/man_fl50_e.pdf - 9.18MBy

Page 68 Main Specifications

"Flash emission Period: Approx. 1/20000 to 1/500 sec. (Variable according to the light intensity, except in FP emission.)"

1/20000 second = 50 microseconds.

The FL-50 has variable power level from 1:1 to 1:128 intensity.  It is controllable both by the programmable control panel and closed loop thru the TTL flash handshake.  My understanding is that the power level is varied by changing the flash duration.  1/128 of the max duration 1/500 second is 1/64000 of a second, which is even shorter than the 1/20000 claimed, so that seems possible.

Now, if you want to say they are over-optimistic in their spec sheet, I could believe that possibility.

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 05:04:36 (ZULU)

Medicjim:  Is there something I should know.

Marc S:  In S.C.'s probable case, if it were to be my only customer, we would lose about $10,000.  I'm doing a radio interview tomorrow.

CDC'          
Stamp out gun neglect - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 04:53:34 (ZULU)

CLICK to see that handgun can be notebook worthy too.  btw, that night for fun (and evil humor) I shot a PPC 1st w/ my P229 then again with my Benelli (no muzzle brake) 22rnds 12x00Buck + 4 slugs (1 at 15 and 3 at 25 offhand).  I may have seen double, but you can really followthrough with that basketball sized muzzle flash!  Come to think of it, I bet my cheek welded at a different spot when I went to low ready to hit the switch to bring the B-27 from 25 to 15 yds.  Wow, did I give a lot of my friends a flinch that night!

"I jus' wants ta' tell you guysh - I'd trust any one of you behind me wifhth a C, a CCW...I lovesh ya all..."

I wish I could get an FN Herstal before some Bozo makes THEM illegal here too but alas... $$$

Hey, darn it.  I think my Cable Box lost The Travis channel! ;) j/k j/k

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
Ellay, CA, USA - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 04:53:11 (ZULU)

CDC:  Niiiice.  Freakin fits the riffles great.  Best of all, it freakin fits my face great.  I'll up optic that stealth and wring er out...It just got "cool."  Or, cooler---it always was kinda cool.  

LtChip:  At Bragg, I had a NC concealed carry permit.  Except it was no good on Ft Bragg proper, and the rules for transporting firearms were onerous and impossible to follow as they changed daily.  I could never get my arms around that one.  I am entrusted with $200 million in helicopters, expected to be a crack shot as I lead by example, entrusted with the lives of those assigned to my command...entrusted with budgets that ran ultimately into the billions, entrusted to take lives with all that the armed forces can bring to bear...entrusted to exit paratroopers safely...and so much more...yet, they did not want, could not fathom, would not allow that I would carry a pistol while on duty.  

A real head scratcher.  The ONLY way it would make sense is for some nug of a general to also order that no member can get the civie permit in the first place.  At least that stupidity would be consistent:-))  Oh, and sell all those unecessary arms rooms off....

Rant rant rant...I'll stop here.

Joe M          
Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 02:51:56 (ZULU)

The Oly strobes will only go down to 250 microseconds (1/4,000'th of a sec)... not fast enuff for bullets.

-

'lito

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 02:31:24 (ZULU)

If you want to photograph bullet impacts, why not just use a "normal" photo flash with an audio trigger?

You can vary the trigger delay by varying the distance between the microphone and the impact point (or muzzle).

A good photo flash can be configured for durations as short as 50 microseconds. (example - Oly FL-50)

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 01:06:03 (ZULU)

We (the roster)usually have hairballs in July and August, whats the deal? Nobody hunting?

4i's          
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 00:36:55 (ZULU)

also, not-noise, Shooting w/o wind in the Houston Warehouse - fun reading:

http://www.angelfire.com/ma3/max357/houston.html

When it starts getting hot around here (Hey, Mike - I'm probably crazy enough to join you if I could and I don't think there's a person here who thinks all cops are killer rabbits!) I've got an incredible urge to blow chaff and drop funny-flares when friends are turning red while discussing like gentlefolk...so my apologies for what we used to call signal grass!

Travis: Batshit crazy is oookay.  I'd be a hypocrite to say otherwise! :)

'lito: You even have a Schliern (sp?) set up??!!  Thank you for the update, I knew you were busy.

btw I was thinking of using a Xe flashlamp with a low C low L setup and a Picatinny switch to try and photograph bullets on impact once, but never got around to it.

also, one of my attorney friends sent this to me, an article from Wired re: 'Cop Killer FNs' information from that wacky silly group, the Brady Bunch...

---

Gun Girl,

You can see the writing on the wall on this one. "Danger Room". Shades of Faux News.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/11/what-exactly-is-a-cop-killer-gun/

William Eckert

---

Noise Girl          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 23:39:13 (ZULU)

WTF?  Since when is 13 dead a minimum?

Not once do they ask why nobody in the immediate vicinity was armed.  This is a military base afterall.  It is also America afterall.  We are supposed to be a well armed society with the right to keep and bear arms.  We have devolved to the point where one of the places where there are the FEWEST folks walking around armed is a MILITARY post!

Anyone ever notice that the only places where there are mass gun shootings are also “gun free zones”?  

It is a complete travesty that our soldiers are disarmed personally and while on duty in CONUS.  Personal disarming… our military leaders are in effect stripping the soldier of his rights to defend himself by banning the carriage of loaded personal weapons on post.  Military posts are cities.  They are hometowns.  They are communities where those who choose to live there are subject to the rules set forth by commanders.  These commanders would be wise to realize that these posts are not immune to the ails of other cities.   There is still crime, there is still violence, there are still innocent victims.  Denying these Americans the right to defend themselves is not justified by any safety concern regarding negligent discharges any more in this environment than it is in any other environment.

Disarming soldiers in the course of their duties is a gross misjudgment from a force protection standpoint.  Military bases and the personnel  who work there, are targets.  9.11 proved that the two types of targets most attractive to these folks are military and economic centers.  If I were President, I’d fire the commander for failing to realize this fact.  Soldiers should be armed now if ever.

When was the last mass shooting at a gun show or NRA convention?

LTChip          
Helena, MT, - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 23:33:49 (ZULU)

Aside from the now obvious vulnerability, SSG Mac and I kicked around the need to arm soldiers as a matter of course in the duty day.  The sheer number of NDs and the foolish response by the commands to those NDs made this idea worth pursuing alone.  

Now, the problem appears to be "MDs."  heheh.

I had a pile of KAC plainjane vertical grips that worked fine, but I am now using a tango down one with removable side panels that "fit" my paddle switches.  

Joe M          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 19:40:02 (ZULU)

MarcS          
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 19:16:55 (ZULU)

brace, brace, brace!

"Safe at home"

The first official victims of the war on terror were civilians, safe at home.  The law requires them to be condition white, completely dependant on government and the military for protection from foreign terrorists.  

medicjim          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 17:46:15 (ZULU)

CDC'          
Stanp out gun neglect - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 16:44:33 (ZULU)

http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2009/11/safe-at-home.html

Tamara K. writes:

"Friday, November 06, 2009

Safe at home...

The more I think about it, the more pissed off I get at the "this is our home" comment from the completely unsat and hopefully about-to-fall-on-his-sword General Cone.

Sure, General, your troops were "safe at home"... in a war with no fronts.

They were every bit as safe at home as the crews of the USS Cole or the battleship Arizona. Safe at home like the Marines in their barracks in Beirut.

An army at war does not have the luxury of "safe at home". Do you think the bomber crews of the Mighty Eighth landed in southern England after pasting the hell out of the Nazis and called out "Olly olly oxen free! We're safe at home now; we'll be putting on our slippers and lighting a pipe. No fair bombing us 'til tomorrow, Adolf!" or do you think they made sure that there were plenty of slit trenches, anti-aircraft guns, and armed guards on the base?

Do our people need to wear full battle rattle to go to the infirmary? No, but the idea that our highly trained all-volunteer army should walk around in condition white with empty holsters and bull's-eyes taped to their backs during a war and right in the middle of what is, to be honest, quite a tempting target is delusional at best and a grave insult to our troops at worst.

General Cone, a professional soldier should be mortified to have accidentally let slip that line about being unarmed at home. You are absolutely responsible for everything that happens in your command. Act like it."

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 16:40:24 (ZULU)

medicjim          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 16:39:15 (ZULU)

   For those that have been watching my life while eating a big bowl of popcorn... I have a bigger truck and a smaller woman now. Hopefully, I'll have a new job today; good thing, since my horse is about to be evicted!

   On the "new" truck: It's an '88 Ford F-250 with a 7.3 (pre-powerstroke) that the original owner put a Banks turbo on. Dual fuel tanks, 5 speed (need at LEAST one more highway gear!) and what appears to be a brand new B&W gooseneck ball. I just wish it were 4WD, but for $1,500, I'm not gonna bitch! I traded an '01 Exploder straight across for it and never skipped a beat!

   My question is, what all kinda issues are you guys aware of with these trucks? Any tips/ winter prep stuff, etc.? Also, thoughts on the fuel stabiliser they sell at Wally word? Which oil would be the best?

Joe,

   You're starting to sound like Chuckie; just because I don't agree, I MUST be batshit crazy and hate all cops.... Incidentally, if you had actually READ my posts, you would have noted that I have cop friends. They're disgusted with the kinda people I'm talking about too.

    Typically, when dealing with an officer, I'm polite, courteous,and respectful. If not just for good manners, for efficiency. Still, I tend to encounter Mr. Policeman/Officer Hyde tpes. Typically, it's some horse's ass that's apparently been jerking off whle watching those shows on the DEA or U.S. Marshall's service. He'll pull me over for whatever, and think it's his RIGHT to search me, and I'm being a dick by not giving him permission.

   Mind you, this kinda thing happens pretty rarely, as I hardly ever get pulled over, but it's happened often enough to be a PITA.

   Well, I'm probably rambling a bit right now, as my head's full of snot and I'm foggy as hell.

Travis Morgan          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 15:58:18 (ZULU)

Semi-Lurk?

Yeah, I guess so.  I have a lot on my mind these days.  I'm in the process of folding my 35 year old medical consulting business - I may take one more client for a year or so, but that's IT!

I have an application in with one of the better known manufactures of handloading equipment, but with the job market as it is... ??

Plus I am packing up tons of loading stuff and other equipment for a pending move (same town, different house), and I'm now in the place where I need to use stuff I have packed - it sucks.

And I lot of projects have been put on hold for 6 or 8 months until I get resettled and all the equipment is back up and running... damn, I never got all my stuff unpacked here :(((

I had a company that specialized in scientific motion pictures and photographs some time back - I designed Schlieren optical systems and Shadow graph systems for ballistic studies, and I did high speed films (8,000 frames per second) and high speed photographs  (3/10s of a millionth of a second) for ballistic studies.  It was really cool, but video was moving in and I couldn't compete price wise (film is EXPENSIVE to shoot), and the quality of early video cams sucked and editing was primitive, so I folded it in the 80's and put my equipment in boxes.  Now I'm selling it off now, (getting pennys on the dollars).

I have had a few PhD digital cameras (Push Here Dummy) and I liked the ease of putting the photos on a computer and doing Photoshop.

I recently bought a really good digital camera on eBay to photograph the stuff so I can sell it on eBay, and I got to tell you, when the user manual is 192 pages of technical foo-foo, you know that cameras have changed a LOT! ("This is not your father's Nikon")  :(((

8 years ago I bought a high end Sony "Hi8" camera, and that was really good, and computer video editing is so cool - in a half an hour, I can do enough special effects on a video, that if done in film would have cost $40,000 in 1980 dollars, just for the test print.  In video, I see it right away, if I don't like it, just erase it and start all over again.

I have a video project from a guy in Virginia to edit as a sample, and I'll get to that after I move.

So I think I am going backwards so to speak - I am looking to get back into firearms work full time, writing some books on shooting and loading stuff and start setting up some Schlieren optical systems and Shadow graph systems and start loving my work again.

So that's why I have not been posting much.

-

Meow Man :)))

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 15:35:19 (ZULU)

Ladies, this is actually fawning affection.... curmudgeon style.  This pub is on the bad side of the tracks and anything short of bloodletting is just good natured funnin'.

Joe - If you are going to kick above the waist in a real fight, you better be fast as hell... you are off balance and vulnerable during and immediately after.

medicjim          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 15:03:10 (ZULU)

SSG Mac          
MOLON LABE, - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 14:48:42 (ZULU)

BKS:  I'll hit you offline.

Are you out there Bravo?  Where'd you go Son?

CDC'          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 14:25:57 (ZULU)

Storm, pray for the young men and women here. They are sharp tip of the spear. I am doing what I know and love here to keep them safe.

Mike/Undude

mike miller          
ca, - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 14:25:31 (ZULU)

>"'lito: Whaat, You saw the Ten Condiments being brought down?"<

No, not THAT Moses, you silly person...

... Frankie Moses from Redhook Brooklyn.  He came down the mountian on his ass cuz he lost his left ski.

:))

-

Fluffy Eliminator

         
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 13:49:53 (ZULU)

".....go buy a LUX microcam and glue it to your forehead. "

Hey, that's a great idea for when I'm cycling.  Quite a few knuckle-heads feel it's their duty to harrass people on bicycles.

Got a link to good prices ?

duman          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 11:40:12 (ZULU)

'lito: Whaat, You saw the Ten Condiments being brought down?

JoeM: Nice melons (To include everyone here who has melons.  One mustn't let anyone go unappreciated).  I forgot YoMama.org and guys_with_eye_holes_in_newspapers.org

If I tried kicking high these days, I would rotate mid air backwards...but that itself might be disarming and unexpected. "I meant to do that!"

CDC' and Storm:  I'm sorry none of what you say is uses the accepted style! "We are nhot amused." j/k j/k j/k

Storm: M-80s in trashcans - Were you at my Jr. High?

"Lord, please grant me the wisdom to set up my Dillon 650 and find worthy components and Varget to share with my somewhat eccentric brethern and sistern. Amen"

Lady of Nih'          
Village of Idiots, State: Mud in Face and Kick in Pants, Country: Of Upper Class Twits and Cheese Shops sans Cheese - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 06:11:43 (ZULU)

Given all that, I still prefer bipods or bags:-))

Martial arts:  I can now kick above my mellon!  And I can touch my toes--something I never could do even when I was young.  The girls have really taken to this, and we'll be testing the 11th Kup this week.  This "family time" thing has surpassed all expectations.  I'd recommend it to anyone....find a good blended art and dive in, and drag the significant other along!  

Joe M          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 04:52:16 (ZULU)

Well, this ain't the first time we've had this conversation:-)  FWIW, my "thank you" for doing what you fine folks in LE do while I was overseas---keeping the home front safe where my children were (in my absense)--was sincere.  If anyone doubted it, I'll work on my wording next time.  I know you did not, so I will thank you again, for hearing me back then.  

And now GOA tells me that the BATMEN created one here despite the law as written....ughhhh.  So many infringements, so little time.

Travis:  If all you ever meet is "bad cops"---it could be that adage about the "whole world is crazy, not me" thing at work.  When you get pulled over, the guy at the window is doing his job, not targeting you because you are ugly.  If this inconveniences you, slow the duck fown and replace the bulbs in your taillights.  If you're convinced about your assertions, go buy a LUX microcam and glue it to your forehead.  Prove it.  You may eventually find your bad cop, but you'll likely get bored with it before he shows up.  That, or the vid you shoot will be used as evidence against you.  Heheh.  My money's on the evidence.  I imagine you can't help yourself, based solely on the attitude you present here.  Instead of "WTF are you  harrasing me for?" try "Yes, sir?"  Things may go wildly different from that point forward for ya...heheh.

Joe M          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 04:29:07 (ZULU)

Storm          
SA, TX, USA - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 04:16:06 (ZULU)

CDC:  Yo, man.  I didn't mean to step on toes.  I enjoy shooting.  I particularly enjoy targets between 500-900 yds.  I'm honored when I hear good tips and ideas from knowledgeable people.

Speaking of which, there was discussion at BW about the pros and cons of AR-15 Vertical Fore-Grips.  It doesn't feel comfortable to me, but if someone can tell me a good reason to use it, I will get used to it.

Storm          
SA, TX, USA - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 04:07:16 (ZULU)

Now I work under the rule once told me by a good man "Good men can disagre and still be friends" I hope others do also. Now that does not include personal attacks and I dont believe that should be in this forum. Storm just pointed that out and it has been a way business was conducted here so everyone neds to check themselves.

I think I have posted here as long as most.

Mike/Undude

MikeMiller          
Ca, - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 03:59:20 (ZULU)

OK lets get back to shooting subjects!

Sarge          
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 03:31:18 (ZULU)

... than a good and honest ... cop.

Integrity and professionalism are all we have.

If you have neither, then you may wear the badge; but you are really just pissing on the rest of us.

And that's all I have to say about that.

brian k. sain          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 03:11:15 (ZULU)

>>This "pub" is for information to be exchanged by shooters.  It's isn't supposed to be offensive to one group or another.

Really?  I guess I've been doing it wrong..

later

JR          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 03:02:22 (ZULU)

>"This "pub" is for information to be exchanged by shooters.  It's isn't supposed to be offensive to one group or another.  "<

I have been here since Moses came down the mountain, and I never read the "rules" you state... and you have been here, what?, 6 or 8 weeks and you found them.

WOW, you are good.

Could you please tell me where those "PC" rules are written... somehow, I can't find them.

I love it when a newbee tells us "What it is, what it is"!!

Why is it that girls always expect guys to "act nice" when they are around...??

-

'lito

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, Da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 02:54:11 (ZULU)

BKS:  Quit loafin' around and posting; get back to work and make us some more bullits, dambit.  

I'm thinking Christ will arrive before the 77s, 175s and varget.  "Pardon me, my savior, but could you do that fish trick for these here Magazines?"  Holy ever clips for the faithful.  Much betterer than any old holy hand grenade:-))  Unless rabbits enter the equation...    

"Follow only if ye be men of valour, for the entrance to this cave is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel that no man yet has fought with it and lived. Bones of full fifty men lie strewn about its lair. So, brave knights, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth."

(where?  behind the rabbit?)

"I *warned* you, but did you listen to me? Oh, no, you *knew*, didn't you? Oh, it's just a harmless little *bunny*, isn't it?"

Joe M          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 02:45:37 (ZULU)

Exactly, Brogers.  Then what to do with all of the money?  Decisions, decisions.

Duman, I don't have the answers, but not doing anything isn't correct.  It's showing that we will take anything they keep throwing and there's no consequences.  

Storm          
SA, TX, USA - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 02:17:34 (ZULU)

CDC'          
Stamp out gun neglect - Monday, November 9, 2009, at 01:58:07 (ZULU)

Brian - That was funny. No wonder your prefix is what it is!  That's like tossing an M-80 in the trashcan during recess.

If I get the money, I'll have a couple of domains:  Them.org and Us.org and keep changing the theme! ;)

Kat Girl

p.s. since Brian can do it.  Purely hypothetically, are MP's disliked randomly more than or equal to 2X either military or LE?  Now I'm just talking when they're walking down the street, not jumping in someone's par-thay.  

CO to his bunch, "Okay, Listen up!  You bird brains all have to quit GLARING at the MPs, it's making them really nervous.  Their self-esteem is getting poor and they're eyes are always puffy!  We cannot have that!"  <- our boss at JPL asked all of us to quit glaring at the QC guys in the hallways because they were getting jumpy!

Kat Girl          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 01:38:07 (ZULU)

Duman; then we sell tickets to the infidels to look at the hole.

Brogers          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 01:13:28 (ZULU)

Just stirring the pot.

Hee hee

brian k. sain          
Monday, November 9, 2009, at 01:04:08 (ZULU)

After that, then what?  

Duman          
Sunday, November 8, 2009, at 22:43:14 (ZULU)

Storm: and then add a delicious center of Li Deuteride and you get showers of stuff that go through lots of dirt and armor and caves.

Kat Girl          
Sunday, November 8, 2009, at 22:42:23 (ZULU)

I'll put her to the test next weekend. My son is coming down, so it's a good time to  get out the HBV's (4) and burn up some powder.

Gary Kaney          
N, ILC, - Sunday, November 8, 2009, at 22:24:37 (ZULU)

I believe that we should get out of Afghanistan commpletely and use a test bomb of the double atom kind.

If we just don't react to this crap, we aren't sending a message that it must stop.  

Storm          
SA, TX, USA - Sunday, November 8, 2009, at 21:36:35 (ZULU)

There are exceptional people and scum in every field.  I wouldn't like someone to make a generality about my fellow shooters.  Everyone needs to step back and see ourselves as Americans first.  We are all brothers (with differences).

This "pub" is for information to be exchanged by shooters.  It's isn't supposed to be offensive to one group or another.  

Storm          
SA, TX, USA - Sunday, November 8, 2009, at 21:03:49 (ZULU)

Thanks gang!

Sarge

Ken H. your e-mail bounced obviously I don't have the right one so please e-mail me the correct one!

Sarge

Sarge          
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Sunday, November 8, 2009, at 19:29:36 (ZULU)

I'm going to write a disclaimer that is not directed at anyone in particular.

The user still needs to be careful to how he installs and removes it.  You pick up sand in the field.  Sand is abrasive.  If someone is a big "pride in ownership" "gun owner" rather than a user-shooter, he may want to use something else.  A guy needs to engage his brain.  The cheekwelder isn't foolproof, which is fine.  Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently energetic and determined fool.  They are invited to choose another brand and be someone else's headache.  The cheekwelder is for competent people who take rifles to the field and shoot them.

CDC'          
Stamp out gun neglect - Sunday, November 8, 2009, at 16:25:42 (ZULU)

Good to see you - the video did not play on my computer??

I still have picture of your "seester", and she still makes me breath funny :))

-

Kat Lady...

I think it was Jerry Rivers - aka "Never let facts get in the way of a sensational story" Geraldo Rivera... and that famous bimbo "Baba Wawa" (Barbara Waters) that did the first Cop Killer Bullets story on ABC news - in those days, they were a sensational "team" that had a faux news program that broke lame news stories... mostly leaving out important facts... like that the story actually led to MORE cops being killed with regular bullets, because Baba and Geraldo were the first people to tell the public that police were wearing bullet resistant vests (previously unknown), and BG's started aiming for head shots, and getting much bigger guns.

-

Fluffy bonker.

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, November 8, 2009, at 16:11:42 (ZULU)

Package arrived yesterday.

Gary Kaney          
N.W., IL, - Sunday, November 8, 2009, at 12:08:56 (ZULU)

Kat Girl          
SP, CA, USA - Sunday, November 8, 2009, at 10:00:01 (ZULU)

I chuck it up in the lathe and get it spinning fairly straight to start. Then I insert a 12" long caliber specific rod into the chamber end. I put a 10 thou run out guage on that rod right at the barrel and another at the end of the rod 6" away. Then I adjust both the muzzle and chamber ends to get that rod spinning perfectly straight. Now the first 6" of the chamber end is spinning perfectly straight to the reamer. Once this is done if you look at the muzzle end you will see it wobbling clearly with the naked eye. That is because the center line of the bore is not perfectly straight and it's why we make sure the chamber end IS straight. We've seen this on all brands of custom barrels that we've used and there have been many.

Part of our process of threading and chambering involves clocking that high point in the muzzle wobble up at the 12:00 position. I do a test fit by screwing the action on to the barrel to see where the high point winds up. The location of the shoulder that presses against the recoil lug determines the location of that high point. I test it to see where it is and cut the shoulder back so that the action screws on with the high point index mark at about the 12:30 mark on the action. That way when it is tightened on the high point will be right at 12:00.

That is the way I was taught and it's the way I do it now. I know of some other big name smiths that do it that way including Gordy Gritters who trained the guy that trained me. I don't think I would want to build someone a switch barrel without having the action there when I chambered it because it would bug me to not have that part done right. I could measure that distance from the shoulder but I wouldn't trust that method.

I'm still a rookie at rifle building so I'd be interested in hearing thoughts or opinions from JR and any other rifle builders reading this.

MarcS          
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Saturday, November 7, 2009, at 21:54:24 (ZULU)

I really think everyone here has the same interests at heart.  The internet; blogs, email, postings...uses only the interpersonal communication channel of writing, no facial cues etc (which is why smileys).  Nearly impossible to write something unambiguous.  Additionally, we're all human with things which are rather close to our egos/emotions.

Travis is probably out there feeling misunderstood.

JoeM: "Bummer of a birthmark dude" <- from Far Side

Mike/Chuck: The whole world doesn't hate you guys.

Me - I'm going to stay under the chairs for a bit longer 'till the all-clear siren says to come out.  

Except for one thing.

At the risk of tapping glycerol-trinitrate w/ microbubbles...who the heck comes up with "Cop Killer Bullets?!"  News?  Mayors/Chiefs?  Like the KTW?  Oh and the news showed an animation of a shooter w/ two 1911s

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
LA, CA, USA - Saturday, November 7, 2009, at 20:34:38 (ZULU)

Brogers          
Saturday, November 7, 2009, at 18:32:56 (ZULU)

I kinda hate to dip a toe into the waters, but Travis, you're being excessively negative.  It isn't up to the cops to decide to bring charges for false reports, that's the prosecutors.  Also, many states have laws requiring citizens to assist LEOs if requested.  Note the terminology: ASSIST.  Have no doubt whatsoever that people exist who don't grasp the nuance, but that was never the intent of the law.  I've seen people refuse to assist at accidents, never known of any to be prosecuted.

JoeM-my sympathies, never had your problem but have known those who have.  Enjoy your meds.

WR Moore          
Saturday, November 7, 2009, at 17:14:04 (ZULU)

I've looked at some of the prior videos, great stuff!  I just wish we had the same level of public enthusiasm for rifle competitions in Canada or the US.  I think the real-time electronic targetry has a lot to do with it.  Do you have any observations or thought on what the public turnouts for your national matches were *before* the advent of realtime electronic targetry?

I would like to see the clubs invest in such targetry systems in Canada and the US.  It would make such an enormous difference in the time expended to run a match and the spectator appeal of longer-range rifle matches.

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, November 7, 2009, at 15:06:44 (ZULU)

Brogers          
Saturday, November 7, 2009, at 15:01:38 (ZULU)

It's been a long time.

I just want to show you a Norwegian shooting event, rapid fire field target with bolt action rifle. This is called "Stangshooting" named after the inventor of the event Col.Stang. He was minister of defence when Norway and Sweden split up from a union and war was imminent in 1905.

This HQ video from national television is taken from the 2009 finals. Real time scoring on electronic target. Range app. 140m:

http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/klipp/521030

6 min into the video show John O. Ågotnes 2008 vinning final.

24:13 into the video shows his 2009 final wich gave him 2. place.

In 2009 Rinde won with a G3. A G3 shooter has not won this event for many years. Rinde's final at 31:18. Look at his eyes. Not much flincing there.

I've posted this on Snipershide and some of you might have seen the video there.

Torf          
Oslo, Norway - Saturday, November 7, 2009, at 12:41:36 (ZULU)

All, this is just our semi-annual pie fight here in the bar, and sooner or later it'll calm down. Sometimes somebody'll get thier knickers twisted so bad they just have to leave, and mostly the rest of us end up wishing they hadn't. All ya'll (more than 4 here in East Tenn) have your say, and then get past it. As long as the music is still going, and you don't interupt the card game I can deal. Of course, if somebody smashes the liqour cabinet behind the bar, well then IT'S ON LIKE DONKEY-KONG! :)

The hoops the media have to jump through to ignore the Muslim background and Jihadist motive of Douchebag Al Hasan are becoming sadly comical. I hope they're feeding him a steady diet of pork in the hospital. He needs to meet his 72 Virginians, and start getting his daily beat-down.

Q: have any o'you Bumz played around with Switch Barrel / Switch Capiber at all? I know a lot of guys (relatively) do this with Savage actions, what else? Any take on why the few Eropean switch barrels never took off (besides the obvious pricing issue)? Thanks in advance.

SSG Mac          
MOLON LABE, - Saturday, November 7, 2009, at 10:54:10 (ZULU)

:)

"oh hi Duman" crawling under the pub chairs towards a quieter room while the big boys have their discussion, "long time.  Miss your wascaly, wily humor."

RR tracks?! ("Rhay ruh racks?") <Hermione raises her hand waving it around> "Two points off Gryffindor for being show offs"

Kat Girl          
Saturday, November 7, 2009, at 00:47:19 (ZULU)

Someone hit me offline or just critique me right here about WTF I did along the way to get painted into this corner by some.  (not you Charles--I wanna figure out what is up between us and your current opinion is known).  I'm open to figuring this out, because my intent was to defend good soldiers, allow that bad ones exist; defend good cops, allowing that bad ones exist.  If I learn how I blew that--I won't make the same mistake again.  Mostly.  Ok, I'll try not to.

I'm in the WTF mode right now anyway due to the meds.  I read the bags, and ??? appeared over my head:-))

Joe M          
Friday, November 6, 2009, at 23:38:08 (ZULU)

And, since you do not read what I write here, tune this out too:

Good cops and great cops abound.  I have said as much for years.  Same for soldiers--though I will take the next step gladly and state--also bad ones; and I was actively involved in culling them from the herd.  I never once denied a sh!tbag was a sh!tbag, nor waste my time defending these--I chaptered him gone.  Good soldiers, bad soldiers, some fixable, some dumped unceremoneously back on mama's doorstep via a one-way greyhound ticket.  Will anyone deny that bad cops exist?  Apparently.  And that is a shame--because they do, they come from the same society as soldiers--But it would seem that there is an active mentality to circle the cop-wagons regardless of quality--and the bad ones stick around.  Bad soldier gone...bad cop defended to the death.  Really?

Seems like a great way to create more Travis's to me...just sayin.'

"A Republic, Ma'am, if you can keep it."

Joe M          
Friday, November 6, 2009, at 23:06:26 (ZULU)

CLICK

I used to think I was pretty good at sets and symbolic logic, but my brain got twisted up by some of the 'us' 'them' statements.  

I think occasionally I have been viewed in either place depending on what I've said.  I grew up hearing about soldiers in machine gun towers aiming down with their Browning belt-feds on some old guy w/ dementia wanting to pick a flower in the no-mans band next to the barbed wire at my parents' internment camp (Gila Bend, AZ) yet I spent my entire adult life (paid well but often thanklessly) working for bettering our defense/offense/recce/surv posture - I always try to be nice to LE and have had some real gems as friends, but I'd like to be able to say that I've met some honest to gosh mad-dogs w/o being lumped into Them/Us.  I suppose it's better those few had a good-guy controller, that's for sure.  But that doesn't mean my critical thinking is off.

Best regards to all

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
Friday, November 6, 2009, at 22:46:01 (ZULU)

Try to avoid discussing firearms with people who to take it as an article of faith that guns are inherently evil.  Acheiving religious conversions by non-coercive means is a very lengthly process.  Instead, try swaying the opinion of those who do not have strongly held convictions on the subject.  They are much more numerous, and will take much less effort to acheive progress via logic and reasoned discussion.

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, November 6, 2009, at 21:16:49 (ZULU)

Bugs, "Here's your coffee.  One lump or two?"

Lion, "Two"

Bugs, "Ok"  WHAM! WHAM! with a mallet

Lion, "Duh, gee, tanks.... " with swirling stars

Duman          
Friday, November 6, 2009, at 15:17:17 (ZULU)

As I've said elsewhere, it is hard not to have any "internment" thoughts (no disrespect to the Japanese) when this is NOT the first time that such an event has happened.

My patience gets GONE when this is ok, acceptable, and required by these (people?).

As you can tell, I'm having a hard time with this crap.

Sean T.          
Winnipeg , Mb, Canuckistania - Friday, November 6, 2009, at 15:00:08 (ZULU)

CDC you know me well enough to know I never consider you anything but a friend.

SSG well put. I will shut my pie hole and listen awhile.

Mike/Undude

MikeMiller          
ca, - Friday, November 6, 2009, at 14:27:57 (ZULU)

CDC'          
Friday, November 6, 2009, at 13:33:18 (ZULU)

"Us versus them...?

Larry

Larry J. Porter          
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Friday, November 6, 2009, at 13:01:31 (ZULU)

Travis, cool it. Your point of view about how society ought to work is well taken, but you're letting you anger out on the wrong people.

Charles & Mike, if you're arguing with a Numb-skull... Who's the Numb-skull. Everyone here has noted there are good, dedicated men in LE. Getting touchy about the bad ones being called on it does you no credit.

This Hasan douchebag was raised muslim, had made public statements justifying suicide bombing, and was on the FBI's radar for internet postings... and yet, all the media could talk about was PTSD. They wouldn't even mention "Muslim" or Terrorist" despite the fact this peice of filth hasn't seen combat. PTSD from WHAT?!? the terrors of his daily commute?

I'll be the first to admit: this is where the rubber meets the road for me. I have a very hard time having any compassion for these... people (muslims). What none of you have heard, and won't hear, is any local or national Muslins condemning his actions. They'll ( <==See: "They" again! I'm telling you it's a conspiracy) make very carefully worded statements trying to indemnify their groups without actually condemning what he did. But all the talk today will be about guarding against a "Muslim backlash" by rednecks. Q: if your daughter was stuck on the side of the road, who's you want to happen by, a muslim, of a redneck? "nuff said.

SSG Mac          
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, RIP my Brothers - Friday, November 6, 2009, at 12:51:05 (ZULU)

Kat Girl          
Friday, November 6, 2009, at 08:10:57 (ZULU)

Charles S. Hunt          
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Friday, November 6, 2009, at 07:29:33 (ZULU)

Who is "they"?

"Guess that's why we were the cops, and they weren't."

What is "why"? I'm not following your logic.

It has been a while but I remember being taught to disobey illegal orders.  That is just what I would have done.

CDC'          
Friday, November 6, 2009, at 07:18:02 (ZULU)

Joe, I am over here doing a cop job. I am attempting to track down the bombers and keep young US Military folks alive. I do not investigate any Military just the terrorists. I learned this trade being a cop.

Travis I gave 26 years of my life to LE. I have had six major surgeries, one gun shot and one knife wound to boot. All doing my job as a cop. I have buried two close friends klled from LE work. Officer safety has always been a big thing to me. Its easy to sit  on a pourch and have all the answers but dont get down and run with dogs unless you can hike your leg at least as high as your mouth.

If anyone ever read Star Ship Troopers there was a concept. Those that served had right to vote. Those that did not ahd to sit down and shut up.

Just an opinion of a dumb cop.

By the way the first thing taught in LE is if you follow an illegal order you get prosecuted, but I guess you need to understand english to get that.

Now lastly all this cop bashing, anti governemnt stuff is what is ruining the net. You dont like a law get up from comp and get out and be heard. Get it changed but man pissing and moaning should come with Tampex. No thats an insult to women  and my wife does not bitch about much.  Actually the  women I know dont sit around and do this. Have we become the weaker sex?

Undude/Mike

MikeMiller          
Ca, - Friday, November 6, 2009, at 06:39:16 (ZULU)

Ah, MARS usage.  Hadn't occured to me, makes perfect sense.  Excellent usage of "more power".  Tim (The Tool Man) Taylor would be proud :-) QRO rocks!

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, November 6, 2009, at 06:01:57 (ZULU)

Seems like it's your turn in the barrel. :)  Remember, you're engaging in a battle of wits with some unarmed opponents.  Many of his earlier posts have proven what a paragon of wit and virtue Travis is.  Joe just suffers from institutional myopia.  Larry, well, if a man follows an order that he KNOWS is illegal or immoral, well.....Nuremburg pretty much laid that old chestnut to rest.  

I would never, ever, presume to tell an honorably retired soldierhow fucked up he was when talking about his old MOS.  Ever notice that they have no problem doing it to police officers?  Guess that's why we were the cops, and they weren't.  

I'm just on my first day back in country,and I'm feeling pissy and combative.  Carry on, Mike.

Charles S. Hunt          
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Friday, November 6, 2009, at 04:40:50 (ZULU)

   First off, the thing about cops going after whomever made a false charge of threats or whatever in a domestic situation would likely never happen. most cops will just say, "fuck it" and remember not to be in too big of a hurry next time she "cries wolf".

   Men get completely screwed on these issues; either by cops who are just sick and tired of couples acting like four year olds or by guys that think they're being heroes and every "damsel in distress" is telling the truth, or by the female officers on a power trip.

   As for illegal search and seizure, you have a damned short memory. Remember the confiscations during Katrina? Watch pretty much any cop show on TV and you'll see civil rights violations that'll make a real American wanna vomit in the first ten minutes! I'm sick to death of the LEO attitude of "WHY ELSE would someone own a gun" if they're not a drug dealer, gangster, etc. !

   On "overturning laws by using the proper channels"... REALLY? Have you not noticed the absolute fucking futility of that process in this day and age? It still works occassionally, but that's on the rare occassion that cops aren't crying "officer safety" so they can further violate the civil rights of people they shouldn't be bothering in the first place and the soccer moms are busy getting their fat asses liposuckeded!

   I know it seems like I'm just frothing at the mouth, hate cops, and want anarchy, but nothing could be further from the truth. Cops are a necessary evil. Yes, I said evil. We shouldn't need them, but we do. I like being able to call when cops are needed, but they're generally such a pain in the ass when they show up a day and a half later, you wish you'd have just taken care of things yourself.

    There are some genuinely fine cops out there, but it's getting rarer and rarer to find the few who haven't gotten disgusted and quit. A few of my buddies are in that little minority; One is on administrative leave for refusing to railroad some kid that just needed a talking to. How DARE he try to give a kid a little counseling, a little guidance, and a ride home, rather than throwing him in jail on BS soccer mom ordinance charges that would've kept him from graduating!

   On illegal orders: Look in your local city ordinances; a lot of them will have an ordinance that requires citizens to do whatever a cop asks of them regardless of rights or legality. That is horseshit.

Travis Morgan          
Friday, November 6, 2009, at 03:58:41 (ZULU)

I agree but I guess the discussion is MOOT...  Mike Miller says it does not/did not exist...

>>>On following illegal orders. Sorry lads that dont fly for LE or Military. If it does not pass stink test you dont follow it or you get same as person giving order.<<<

Larry

Larry J. Porter          
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Friday, November 6, 2009, at 03:32:14 (ZULU)

In the end, Mei Lai was enough to chnage the debate...the endless AARs conclude that some orders must be ignored. While resistance to the very idea is present--that one episode always alters the equation.   And the resitsance is a very good thing--because it ensures a more thorough discussion on the subject than we'd otherwise give it.  This is not a subject to take lightly.

Joe M          
Friday, November 6, 2009, at 03:20:11 (ZULU)

Say hello to the next "not a terrorist attack" Malvo.  Dammit.

Geoff M          
WI, USA - Friday, November 6, 2009, at 03:16:43 (ZULU)

I will "delicately" answer you.

While you must be an amateur to be a military "MARS" op, MARS ops and stations are not regulated by the FCC or amateur power limits - they are under military rules, and a lot of MARS stations were running 10kw when I was running 8kw (I was MARS "QRP" :)))

Plus, I have never been one to let paper rules interfere with my toys, but I still have the FCC permission papers to own it.

-

Use a Kitty as a dummy load :))

-

Fluffy toaster :)

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, November 6, 2009, at 02:33:02 (ZULU)

"On Killing" by LtCol Dave Grossman.  Amazing read by a good guy.  I had some correspondence with him when it first came out because it addressed things which I had been concerned about, but he was the first with credibility to publish and buck the PC world.  This is one of his thank yous in either Killology.com or the new one.  He's shifted to studying about Sheep vs Sheepdogs vs Predators among people.  LEOs will get a nice fuzzy warm feeling about this one.  His stuff is well worth perusing.

Kat Girl

To: Our Sheepdog, Our Cops

Posted by admin under Articles and Abstracts

From:  Lt. Col. Dave Grossman

    I’ve got something I need to say to you, and all of your magnificent ’sheepdog’ comrades, and it comes from the heart…

    Thirty-two years ago, I was a twenty year old buck sergeant in the 82d Airborne Division, spending over half my time on deployment, leaving behind a young wife and two little babies.

    Twenty-two years ago I was a company commander in Panama, leaving a wife and three little boys back at home.

    Twelve years ago I was wrapping up my military career, deployed every summer and countless weekends and weeks in between, with a wife and teenagers at home.

    For the last eleven years I’ve been on the road, almost 300 days a year, training cops and military.  I get home one or two nights a week:  conjugal visit, clean underwear, and back on the road again.

    For my entire adult life I’ve spent more time away from my loved ones than I ever spent with them.

    And I knew, all they ever had to do, was to pick up the phone and dial three digits, and someone like you would show up to fight and, yes, even die for my loved ones.  

    And so I need to say something:  Thank you.

    Thank you, for walking the mean streets during one of the most violent times in history.

    Thank you, for going toward the sound of the guns, when everyone else runs away.

    Thank you, for being the front-line of defense in the War on Terror.

    Thank you, for going in harm’s way, every day, that others may live.

    Thank you, for watching our back and covering our ’six’ when we are overseas.

    You should hear those words a lot more often:  Thank you.

         May God bless you and yours, as you protect and watch over others,

         Dave Grossman

         Lt Col, USA (ret)

         www.WarriorScience.com

Kat Girl          
Friday, November 6, 2009, at 02:28:51 (ZULU)

Travis, I probably dont have your wealth of imagined knowledge on the subject (only 30 plus years since I got into LE) so please enlighten me and show me with some facts of the "Bull shit" I used.

Honestly your approach is "I feel this way so it must be true"  Sound like all the liberals who fear guns because they scare them.

Thank you for your concern for my safety but honestly I was in more danger when I worked as a patrol cop.  Here I have layers of defense before the bad guys get close to me, unless they get lucky and drop a mortar on my head.  Now the young brave men working here  at and outside the wire, they need all are prayers.

On following illegal orders. Sorry lads that dont fly for LE or Military. If it does not pass stink test you dont follow it or you get same as person giving order.

Undude/Mike

MikeMiller          
ca, - Friday, November 6, 2009, at 02:24:30 (ZULU)

May I delicately inquire how 8KW related to the PEP rules of the day for the relevant service and license class?

That seems to be at odds with my very casual knowledge on the topic...

http://hamradiomarket.com/articles/Amps1.htm

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, November 6, 2009, at 01:13:49 (ZULU)

Fort Hood - I can't believe it, and at a MP, Medical, Dental kind of place!  More than one?  I want to wait until the dust settles before I read more - more than one participant?  <shakes head>  feel so sorry for the friends, teammates and families.  It's like the beginning of 'The Kingdom!'

Joe: I hope your kidneys feel better.

Lito: 8kW Linear RF amp? off-shore pirate radio time?  Just had to win a QRP contest? ;)

Rod: thank you - he is.  But may require surgery I can't get.

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
Friday, November 6, 2009, at 00:32:13 (ZULU)

The person identified as the primary shooter was a Major/O4 from Virginia. He was also a Muslim convert. Sources have told Fox and the Temple Tx reporter that the Major was unhappy about his upcoming deployment to Iraq. No info as to rank, etc, of the two other soldiers currently in custody.

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 23:12:43 (ZULU)

FORT HOOD, Texas – A soldier opened fire at a U.S. Army base in Fort Hood, Texas on Thursday, unleashing a stream of gunfire that left 12 people dead and 31 wounded. Authorities killed the gunman, and apprehended two other soldiers suspected in what appears to be the worst mass shooting at a U.S. military base.

The shooting began around 1:30 p.m., Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said at a news conference. He said all the casualties took place at the base's Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening.

"A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan. The official said Hasan, believed to be in his late 30s, was killed after opening fire at the base. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

The official says investigators are trying to determine if Hasan was his birth name, or if he changed his name and converted to Islam at some point in his life."

In Washington, President Barack Obama called the shooting "a horrific outburst of violence." He said it's a tragedy to lose a soldier overseas and even more horrifying when they come under fire at an Army base on American soil.

"We will make sure that we get answers to every single question about this horrible incident," the commander in chief said. "We are going to stay on this."

MarcS          
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 23:07:51 (ZULU)

Ft. Hood,

SHTF, I'm sorry for, and praying for, the members and their families.

Out.

Sean T.          
Winnipeg, Mb, Canuckistania - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 22:05:13 (ZULU)

I understand.  Their reasoning was that - being dumbshits - we (the enlisted swine) were not knowledgable of all the details and could not make an informed decision...

Larry

Larry J. Porter          
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 20:36:09 (ZULU)

Joe M          
Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 20:24:39 (ZULU)

>>>The point there is either military or LE we do what is legal and follow orders as long as legal. We dont follow illegal orders.<<<

I've been retired from the Military (Navy) for about 30 years, but when I was in, we were told to Follow the incorrect or illegal order and report it AFTERWARDS...

Larry

Larry J. Porter          
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 19:11:14 (ZULU)

>"Lito', 8000 Watts ?? You must have had a lot of QRM around your QTH."<

I broke a pile up or two :))))))))))))))))))))

-

Meow Masher :))

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 18:35:02 (ZULU)

In the past, I have expressed my opinion of LEO, and was married to one at that.  I also stated along the way that a few bad apples make it hard on the rest, and how the brotherhood thing kinda plays into that negatively; circle around anyone in blue isn't always smart--but it happens often enough.  That adds fuel to Travis's fire.  His perspective, obvioulsy, is to paint with a very broad brush.  I have tried to walk the middle on this one....if I failed to make that point--then you have my sincere apology.  I know for a fact that there are fine and great LEOs serving all over the nation...just as i know there are tools in the military that make us all look bad too.  But when those appeared in my field of fire--I shitcanned them if they were unsalvageable as their CO.  I certainly did not defend them.  Ha, I was both the prosecutor and the judge:))  I think it doesn't help when denial flies in the face of fact, and we are all human and can make mistakes.  I may not always get that point across, but I am not as far off the deep end as Travis in my indictments.  

Hey, if'n I make no sense these last days, it is the pain or the meds for the same.  Stones are no fun.  But as far as pain goes, kidney stones are of a very high quality.  Some people get pneumonia with their flu, all I got was dehydrated...

Joe M          
Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 18:27:00 (ZULU)

Was it for breaking through pileup's ??

Regards,

Joisey Steve

P.S. Pls "E" Mail me as the "E" Mail I have for you no workie.(:

Steven Dzupin          
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Usa - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 17:14:09 (ZULU)

   Bullshit.

Be safe.

Travis Morgan          
Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 17:01:06 (ZULU)

This station now returns to Iraq where this old cop is wearing ACU's embedded with US Military. Fine young men and women all around me just like at the PD

Undude/Mike

Mike Miller          
ca, - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 16:48:17 (ZULU)

In The Great White North we don't get N2 liquifying in the winter, but the CO2 is occasionally endangered :-)  It can be quite a contrast to visiting my relatives in Florida.

Hope your doggie is doing better...

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 16:42:14 (ZULU)

Both groups have their 5% extreme fringe, but the average "Democrat" is more towards the fringe than the average Republican, and the extremists in the democrat party have much more control over the whole agenda than the extremists in the Republican party.

And... the conservatives are willing to discuss their point of view, where the Democrats will not exchange facts, they call names and insult.

When the debate is on facts, figures and outcomes, the dems always resort to insults and name calling.

-

Fluffy Whomper

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 14:47:33 (ZULU)

WTF is "CALPIRG"???

I found the officials in Canadia to be top of the line professional without being crude like some of our home grown variety.

Back in the mid 80's, I wanted an ETO Alpha 8,000 watt linear amplifier. It was made in the USA, and I could own it in the USA, but they couldn't sell it to me in the USA :(((

So I paid for it, and had it exported to Canadia.  The folks up north were terrific.  I got through Canadia customs in 20 minutes and they even gave me my $1,100 import landing tax back, but getting it through my own God damn rude customs took 11 hours, even though I had all the FCC papers and licenses in order :(((

-

Kitty Snuffer

CatShooter          
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 14:39:48 (ZULU)

medicjim          
Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 14:19:22 (ZULU)

I was a passenger in a gf's car racing through the Canadian Rockies in the middle of the night with her lime green girl sports car.  Flashing lights behind us and we pulled over.  She immediately dives into her purse grubbing around for license, permit conduire or whatever and I'm like squirming and almost yelling "Kimmy, you're going to get us killed, keep your hands where they can see them - oh shit we're going to get killed!" <my hands were showing already> - the RCMP guy couldn't care less and was so nice!  I was stunned.  He ended up by letting her go and saying, "and be careful, I'd hate to see what you'd look like if you hit a moose eh?"  Awesome.  Soo nice.  We were between Banff and Jasper around 11pm and she was a lead foot.  We got to see Aurora Borealis that night and hear the crackle - oh, I came home that year with a perfect Edmontonian accent which annoyed my mom no end.  I think we actually clipped an elk that night and I was trying to get her to stop to see if I could collect something for her dad's freezer.  Hey, I hear you can get a prion like BSE from Elk now?  Nuts!

Years ago in an anthropology class I heard the personal difference is in defining oneself "a servant of the people" and the other "defender of the law"

Interesting

Kat Girl

I got out at Oct 31 before the N2 started liquifying from the atmosphere!

Kat Girl          
Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 11:19:24 (ZULU)

Canadian Firearm Centre is really gung-ho on the domestic partner issue, definitely a "guily until proved innocent" theme going on there.  They even have a 1-800 hotline for "concern reporting".

The mind-blowing idea is that police brass make a big deal about the registry being an important factor in officer safety.  Any properly trained officer realizes that treating *all* calls as possibly having weapons present is the only proper response.  Relaxing because the registry says "oh it's safe, no registered firearms at that address" is a suicidal tactic.  As usual, there is a big difference in attitude between front-line police officers and the political top police brass on the topic.  The chiefs serve at the whim of municipal politicians.

This is great news for pro-gun forces elsewhere. "Look, Canada tried running universal registration and found the expense and effort wasn't worth it, no measurable improvement in actual public safety!".

It was politically too dangerous to drop the whole registration thing (Handguns have been registered since the 1930's in Canada), but de-registering "vanilla" long guns was deemed acceptable.  How often have you seen a gun control measure legislatively rescinded in any jurisdiction?  Not very often.

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 11:00:43 (ZULU)

It's too bad no one realizes how safe trained people are.  I was going to take Nelson for a ride to a cheap grocery in a dicey part of town and had 2 blades, P229 extra mag with me, but I told the driver it wasn't his fault (decency to stop) and the officer (my town is great) who stopped was terrific but I asked him to borrow a back board - he didn't have one.  

That beotch didn't even have the decency to come out in the street where I was curled up with my dog.  You guys were right.

Kat Girl          
Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 08:02:58 (ZULU)

Oh boy.  Where to begin?  Unsubstantiated call comes in, and the process of stripping rights hath begun in earnest...

I would sure miss due process if that happened to me.  

Now let's say we make laws (and we do) that pre-punish allegations of criminal behavior.  You know, like fortfeitures of firearms on the domestic stuff and property for the DEA stuff...and let's say this is common knowledge.  When does the average domestic problem arise; when the womenfolks are happily spending your jack on heels, or when you yell at her for spending your jack on heels?  So, you done pissed 'er off---she wants revenge.  Spurious charges get trumped up, off go you and your guns.  Revenge served cold.  And, it is a statistic---"Hey--look at all the domestic violence (charges) going on!  Something needs to be done."  Police statism feeds on itself, fulfilling its own prophesies.  Not sayin' all domestics are BS---but when we create these scurrilous laws--we create more problems than we ever could solve.  First, the cry wolf factor as those falsely accused fight back and eventually win, and second, IT IS a slippery slope when you mess with the presumption of innocence--no matter how evil you think the drug dealer is, or the wife beater is, or the falsely accused of the same is...they all get we would also get---and there it is. It occurs to me that politicians wrote the addage:  "garbage in--garbage out."

And just wondering:  How safe is it for the poor dude sipping his beer, unaware his wife dimed him out for abusing her with a phone call cuz she's on a red-dot day and he ain't changing the channel from hockey fast enough---as the mounties are charging in thinking:  Dude's got an arsenal in there---better lock'n load...

Joe M          
Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 05:01:35 (ZULU)

This is a center right nation that hiccuped.  The masses voted "not Bush"--and they are now getting a painful civics lesson in the irresponsible use of franchise.  Heheh.  Hope and change, change and change was empty rhetoric where the less aware among us simply slipped in our wants and desires in those big empty blanks---and those morons are now growing disillusioned or already are.  We've always been a "fool me once" kinda nation, eh?  

The problem is, the dollar is in a death race to last until 2010.

Joe M          
Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 04:14:30 (ZULU)

I love the quote "it's not about sportsmen...not about blah blah...it's about public safety!" from the politician/mayor/chief whatever.  Lying such and suches.  

It's about big bureaucracies managing the records etc and the cash flow and the cost supporting them as well as the upper-doo-doos who get their hands at managing/diverting the flow -

unless it's about the theme of Lester Grau's study on (how to) controlling an urban population...firearm registry is right there on the top list of 'gotta dos'

Bavarian?  I've had two friends from there but one grew up in Cannes so her accent was both!

Kat Girl          
Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 03:25:58 (ZULU)

I do phone support on occasion with customers all over North America, they don't seem to have too much of a problem understanding me.  

I resided in California and Ohio before moving to North Carolina at age 8. I then resided in North Carolina from age 8 thru 13 before moving to Nova Scotia,  but didn't pick up much of a Southern accent.  It probably does make it easier for me to understand my customers who have a Southern accent.  I think my linguistic patterns were pretty well established by the time I was 8.

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 03:25:12 (ZULU)

JR          
Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 02:13:09 (ZULU)

appreciate the kind words.

How's this for irony?  Unlike Arnie, I could be President of the United States without a constitutional amendment.  I was born in California and have not relinquished my US citizenship.

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 01:43:53 (ZULU)

Yes folks, that is how much I like what he says!!!!

Sean T.          
Winnipeg, Mb, Canuckistania - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 01:32:37 (ZULU)

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2184897

(Canadian) MPs vote to scrap long-gun registry

Janice Tibbetts, Canwest News Service  Published: Wednesday, November 04, 2009

OTTAWA -- MPs voted by a clear margin Wednesday to repeal the federal long-gun registry, signalling for the first time since the program was adopted 14 years ago that it is headed for the scrap heap, despite police assertions that it saves lives.

A private member's bill, sponsored by Conservative backbencher Candice Hoeppner, had the backing of all the Tories, from Prime Minister Stephen Harper down, and enough Liberal and New Democrat MPs to clear its first major hurdle of winning support in principle.

The bill passed by a surprising 164-137, winning more supporters than expected as 18 opposition MPs rose to cast their votes with the government.

The proposed legislation now moves to an all-party committee for public hearings before it returns to the House of Commons for a final vote and then heads to the Senate.

"It's step one but there is still a lot of work to do," Ms. Hoeppner said outside the Commons after her bill passed second reading.

The bill would only end the long-gun portion of the registry, eliminating the need to register rifles and shotguns. The requirement to register handguns would remain in place.

If the bill makes it through Parliament, it would mean the dismantling of eight million firearms records, say police.

The registry has been the source of many court battles, bitter party infighting between rural and urban MPs, political rhetoric -- and a scathing 2002 report from the federal auditor general that found that final tab to implement the program would ring in at more than $1-billion, dramatically more than the $2-million original estimate.

The Harper government, which has strong rural support, has introduced legislation to kill the registry, but the bill has languished due to a lack of opposition support and government will to propel it through Parliament.

MPs are normally permitted to break ranks from the party line for private member's bills, giving Hoeppner's initiative enough support from dissident MPs to succeed, even though the three opposition parties officially support the gun registry.

Pressure was on MPs to show up and the Commons was packed, with 301 of 304 casting votes -- including a Bloc Quebecois MP who was wearing a mask because he suspects that he has the H1N1 virus.

Supporters and opponents have campaigned nationwide in recent weeks in an attempt to sway the outcome of the vote, lobbying in newspapers, on radio and in the hallways on Parliament Hill.

The Conservatives backed radio ads urging Canadians in swing ridings to call their MPs to voice their opposition to the registry.

The registry was adopted 14 years ago by the former Liberal government as part of a wider gun-control package, largely due to lobbying from the families who lost daughters in the 1989 Montreal massacre, when Marc Lepine used a semi-automatic rifle to kill 14 women at Ecole Polytechnique. Mothers of victims have campaigned relentlessly in the last week to preserve the registry as a vital component of gun control.

"I'm a mother as well and I completely sympathize," said Ms. Hoeppner. "Unfortunately, the long-gun registry didn't do anything to stop criminals from having guns. It was a huge waste of money and it targeted the wrong people."

Police, who normally side with the Harper government on law-and-order initiatives, have been at odds with the Conservatives over the program, maintaining it is an important crime-fighting tool that they use often.

The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police asserted in a news release Wednesday that the registry has saved lives.

The chiefs say that Canadian police tap into the registry more than 10,000 times a day.

"Some of the most important queries are about domestic violence calls, which every police service in Canada receives," said association president William Blair.

"This is not a regional issue. It is not an issue between big cities and small towns. It is not about hunters and sportsmen, collectors and enthusiasts. It is not about politics.

"It is about public safety. It is about giving police the information to deal with the danger posed by a firearm in the wrong hands."

Montreal police Chief Yvan Delorme said that registry proved its value following the September 2007 shooting at Dawson College in Montreal, when police heard of threats made by another individual and they were able to check him out, learn he owned several weapons, and confiscate them.

Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan echoed the long-held Conservative position on the registry, when he denounced it Wednesday as an ineffective waste of money that punishes law-abiding citizens.

Registry opponents say it should be enough that gun owners must hold licences, but supporters say that licensing does not help police track how many guns an owner has.

- With a file from Mike De Souza

rod regier          
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 01:24:42 (ZULU)

If you are referring to the Army demo manual it is FM 5-25. Latest version out is 2004 edition I believe.

Bobby Whittington          
Grandfield, OK, USA - Wednesday, November 4, 2009, at 23:58:35 (ZULU)

The conservative lost not because he was a purest, but because he came into the race at the end, and had almost no financial backing... he was an accountant with no political history (and not a very good public speaker) and he still came within 4 points of the winner... if the repubs had a real "conservative" candidate and backed him/her from the get-go, the dems would have easily lost - the 23rd district is very republican - and fairly dopey - the drop out republican bimbo got 5% of the vote and had already dropped out - I guess TV and radio hasn't made many inroads up there yet :)))

If you combine the republican vote and the conservative vote, you beat the democrat by 1+ points.

-

Kitty Whomper.

         
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, November 4, 2009, at 18:04:41 (ZULU)

The loss of a purist repub in NY state is worth exploring... I think the key to success for the Repubs on the national stage is modeled there... you cannot shove a ultra-conservative agenda upon a moderate population.  

Pick your battles or lose the war.  

medicjim          
Wednesday, November 4, 2009, at 16:24:16 (ZULU)

Do you know what the field manual number is?  FM-??  I may have it in my stack-o-stuff....

Duman          
Wednesday, November 4, 2009, at 16:16:56 (ZULU)

- Horace

Duman          
Wednesday, November 4, 2009, at 15:22:31 (ZULU)

RE Joisy- I guess even Jersey has a limit for graft....or was it taxes?  Anyone care?  

WR Moore          
Wednesday, November 4, 2009, at 13:54:22 (ZULU)

Joe M          
Wednesday, November 4, 2009, at 04:22:50 (ZULU)

nice thread guys :)

Kat Girl

Kat Girl          
Wednesday, November 4, 2009, at 01:11:51 (ZULU)

Joe M          
Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 21:32:08 (ZULU)

I've got a 1917 US Army Field Engineering manual that shows the means of brewing ANFO used in them thar days.  They used a whole lot more FO than is the present case.  If the guys quoted above, and at  least one previous poster are correct, they added extra FO to slow things down and increase the shattering effect.

WR Moore          
Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 21:04:18 (ZULU)

Kat Girl          
Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 20:24:02 (ZULU)

Dear Congressman Kind and Staff,

I want to thank you for awakening the somnambulent citizens of this country to the fact that their casual use of their franchise has consequences. While you and your party have garnered our attention over these last months, you are now ignoring us as we speak out.  Do you wish to rule us or to represent us?  By whose consent do you govern?  These are questions you can ponder now or in your forced retirement.

I personally wish to thank you for enraging me to the point that my desire to stop this madness finally overcame my distaste for politics. I have sworn an oath as a proud veteran of long service, and recently swore an oath to dedicate my time and money to the removal of anyone in congress that advances this agenda of socialism.

 Reform?  Son, what you have before you is not reform.  Reform is needed, but reform that addresses the cost structures in healthcare.  The approach your party chose is to assume the mess, as-is, on the backs of the taxpayers.  The only reform coming, at a future date, is to curtail costs by decree.  Cap and Trade?  Energy costs will "necessarily skyrocket" according to President Obama.  And card check?  Subvert the secret ballot to whose gain?

You know as well as I the challenges this nation faces--and this legislative batch of malarky serves only to exasperate the worst of our problems:

1.  National Debt, current deficit spending and trade deficits as we import our energy needs and export our jobs with our dollars and debts.

2.  Never ending growth of public expenses.  Read that as "government."

3.  The combination of 1 and 2 as we "monetize" our debts.

How in God's name can we justify adding to our debt at the prodigious rates of this last year, let alone the current 1.8 trillion deficit projected for the current FY?  And that is without this healthcare reform item included!  

Sir, with all due respect, I think congress is off the deep end and completely out of touch.

And as such, I am dedicating my money and my time for the first time in my life to remove you and those who would vote with you from office.  And I think it would be great fun to find someone to the left of you and organize financing just to split your vote.  In terms you may find familiar:  The ends justify the means.  

You may want to take a closer look at what is going on here and nationwide.  We are mad as heck, and ignoring us is an old hat strategy--only this time we are not going away.  Not this time--the stakes are too high.  The lesson you are providing has hit home:  Our votes have consequences, and it is up to us to inform our fellow citizens when you and the media fail to do so.  

I just hope the dollar holds up that long...we need adults in congress serving the people, not beholden to their party.  I may run for your seat myself if it comes to that.

On the other hand, surprise me and stand up for the nation and its people--and fight for real healthcare reform and be the guy who draws that line.  Propose loser-pays tort reforms, give the tax credit to the individual for insurance, tear down state barriers to comptetition and allow choice in coverage, mandate some level of savings exemptions and cost sharing so we have some buy in as individuals, force healthcare providers to accurately post costs, even if it is hourly rates--and let us make our own choices as you focus on helping those who cannot help themselves with expanded programs, means tested and administered locally. I'll lick envelopes in your campaign offices if you do this.  That is a start on what is true reform.  Healthcare costs too much for reasons, and congress shares some blame in those reasons--so reform the cost structures.  But do not coopt the broken system into ours, the taxpayer's, back pockets!

I am neither democratic nor republican---I am just an American who is scared for my nation for the first time in my life.  If any one of four nations decide to dump the dollar---martial law will not be adequate to prevent a very bad outcome for the people.  Sir, the dollar is the problem--your spending is a major part of that problem--and your eye is not on the ball.

Finally, reflect on your oath of office, read our constitution and do your duty as we entrusted you to do.  That is all we expected of you, and now we are begining to demand this of you.  Hear us, or, begone.  

vr,

Joe M          
Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 19:16:55 (ZULU)

What I was saying is that the 'Physical' properties of the chemistry (as in P-chem) are what dictate the rate of decomposition...I did so in layman terms which I thought you objected to...  

I figure there are three possible scenarios here...

#1 - I'm flat out wrong... I really want to know if this is the case

#2 - I used terminology that was grossly inadequate...I'm interested, but it likely won't kill me... please respond

#3 - You misread what I wrote ...no need to respond, I have nothing to prove

medicjim          
Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 17:04:31 (ZULU)

>"Please provide a superior explanation why ANFO creates a slow pressure wave and TNT produces a fast pressure wave.  Use basic terminology, please. "<

The velocity of propagation of ANFO is 4200 meters/second:

The velocity of propagation of TNT is 6940 meters/second, Nitorglycerine is 7700 meters/second, and PETN is 8400 meters/second.

In Dynamites, the following is why there are high power and low power dynamites.

Dynamite "Ammonia" 20% = 2360 m/s

Dynamite "Straight" 20% = 2790 m/s

Dynamite "Ammonia" 30% = 2760 m/s

Dynamite "Straight" 30% = 3600 m/s

Dynamite "Ammonia" 40% = 3180 m/s

Dynamite "Straight" 40% = 4460 m/s

Dynamite "Ammonia" 50% = 3580 m/s

Dynamite "Straight" 50% = 5100 m/s

Dynamite "65%" Gelatin = 6500 m/s

So you can see that the more Nitroglycerine, the faster the wave front, and the more power.

In all cases, the base absorbent is not an inert material, it is also consumed, one one case the base is Ammonium Nitrate, and in the other, it is Nitrocellulose.

The reason that TNT, PETN, and NG is more powerful (for an equal weight of explosive) is that the velocity of propagation is higher.

It is simple - the velocity of detonation is what makes an explosive high (like TNT, PETN, and Nitroglycerine), or low explosive like 20% Dynamite.

-

Kitty Whomper.

         
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 16:42:47 (ZULU)

   Back from Fall trip. I think Rod sent you my #.  Call me about the 1911.  Hope you enjoyed your time here.

outa here

Markwell

Markwell          
The Alleghenies, WV, - Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 16:02:32 (ZULU)

Sir, 30 October, 2009

I am alarmed and angered at the slight-of-hand maneuverings I witness within the Legislative Branch of our government. Perhaps you recall that Article 1, Section 8 does not allow you powers that are not specifically granted, they being reserved to the individual states. Perhaps that does not greatly concern you. Well it concerns me, and I, in part, determine whether you have a job come next the election.

All of the proposed healthcare bills are well outside any authority granted to you.  According to your own oath of office, you will violate our trust, and our constitution, by any affirmative vote on these measures.  True, the body to which you belong has viewed the Constitution as an inconvenience, but that is no justification for subverting the Constitutions clear meaning.  The general welfare statement is not an open license; no power is granted to mandate health insurance upon the people of this country.

Do you realize the gravity of what you propose? It is not health care per-se that will constitute the disaster you invite. It is the enslavement of your constituents who will perforce become dependent on government health care, and the subversion of any constitutional limits on government action. If this is possible, then any government action is possible. No power will be beyond reach, no personal right an inhibition.

Marxists seek to initiate crisis, using it to justify their grasp of power. Government run health care (or health “insurance”) will ultimately ruin the health care system just as the baby-boomers come to need it most, creating a very real crisis before which private charity will be helpless due to the confiscatory taxation required to keep such a ponzi scheme afloat. This is monstrous, and cannot be characterized in any other way but a violation of your oath.

On a more personal level, what gives you the right to forcibly tell me how I should provide for myself and my family?  The issue is just that simple: you -you yourself- are telling me personally, what it is I need, and that I am too incompetent to provide it on my own.  This debate is not abstract, nor is it affecting some subgroup of pronouns—this is YOU assuming responsibility over my life with no basis in law.  I resent this in the strongest possible way, and will remember it come Election Day.  

I will make my own choices for myself and my family and not ask your approval. Washington DC, and its inhabitants are not welcome to meddle with my liberty to live my life as I see fit.  Nor are you welcome to confiscate the wealth I have labored for to provide for my own family, in order to engage in feel-good vote buying schemes.

I understand my liberties better than most. I’ve spent a good portion of my life defending this great nation in places where such liberties are not recognized. I know what it is I swore to protect and defend: it was not Congress, nor was it the President, or the Supreme Court it was The Constitution of the United States.  It is a document I have read many times, and fully understand; that great compact between equals. The understanding of, and the limitation of governmental power is the enabling condition for the greatness of this nation.

It is time you understood this as well.  Repeat your Oath of Office to yourself, and reflect upon the meaning of the words. I also suggest reading our Constitution as it is written, not as you wish it to have been. The language is neither obscure, nor vague.  Honor those who gave all by doing as you swore to do. We expect that you will, especially as this abominable debate moves to its final stages. You risk much: for our great experiment failing due to legislative hubris would render the sacrifices of those across the river full of sad irony, and the lives of our children full of  deprivation, lies and sad ignorance of what once was.  

Know that whatever betides I will not let unconstitutional power-grabbing stand uncontested, this time or ever again.  I have been apolitical in my life, but no more.  I cannot abide your complicit participation in any such action while my own oath rings in my ears.  So I will add my voice to my neighbor’s, and work to begin overturning the mess Washington has become. You may yet force the issue of government run health care –elections only come so often- but ultimately America will right herself.  She is more powerful than the double-speak, and procedural scheming that paralyzes her presently.  

Just do your duty as it is written, while first understanding it - as it is written. In the mean time, keep your good intentions the hell out of my life, and my pocket!  

That's gone out to all my Senators/Congress Critters

Be advised Nancy Pelosi is trying to ram-rod her bill with a vote late this week. Call, write, e-mail, bugg the S**t out of you representatives!

SSG Mac          
Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 15:59:49 (ZULU)

Glad you had a good time at Bobbies world Chuck. Stay safe.

MarcS          
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 15:45:31 (ZULU)

Went to Badlands over the last weekend.  Shooting was good, had some good days with old friends.  Once again, the shooting spirits at the KD range had their way with me.  Left my dope book on the LTR home, had to build a new one from memory.  500 yards, nothing worked.  Sarge shoots it, right on.  I shoot it, no go.  Took a break, then I was right on.  Must've been the Indian spirits again.  GTG out to a grand, then we shot the culvert.  

Off to the sandbox again tomorrow.  Crap.  Well, I'm just about halfway through the program set up, a year and a half to go.  Not looking forward to the next rotation, things look like they're gonna be a bit mixed up.  Laterz....

Charles S. Hunt          
Spring Branch, Tejas, USA - Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 12:52:28 (ZULU)

Kat Girl          
Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 07:39:57 (ZULU)

CDC'          
Stamp out gun neglect - Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 07:25:22 (ZULU)

I'm on the first relay and the wind was very light. Almost no mirage you really had to look for it. They run the target up with the 6" spotter then pull it down to clean up and prepare for the next string. I put my next three in it and I have a little time left so I'm sitting there looking at the target.

I look and I'm shocked to see a little white dot a little low in the center of the target. Damn. It is the 3/4" white bullet hole paster and I see it clearly from 1,000 yards. I ask a buddy shooting next to me who is also running a Premier 5-25 and then he looks, and starts laughing out loud. He can see his too. Crisp winter morning, clean cool air, no mirage, morning sun shining directly on the target, white paster on blue target and I see the freakin' paster. Incredible.

By the time I got to the 600 yard line I could clearly see all of the pasters from the shooting at 800, 900 and 1,000. Plenty of white dots. From 300 I could see the .243 bullet holes really well too.

It was a great day all around and one of my more memorable matches out there. My rifle was shooting super tight so that was good advertising for my rifle building work.

One other memorable moment was the last stage of the day. It was a hostage target at 200 yards. The bad guy had a 2" red square target in the center and the hostage was right next to it. The line of the edge of the hostage face was the edge of the red box target. The deal is hits in the box were worth 10 points each. One hit to the hostage, which would be just touching the line of the edge of the face, would not only mean a zero for that stage but also a 20 point deduction. So I set up on that target and I'm so focused and in the bubble that I wouldn't have noticed it if you kicked me in the ass. Target comes up and I give my zoom a twist up to max right in on that red square. I set up just to the safe side of that box but still within the outside edge, just favoring to one side a little bit. Bang. Hole appears right there where I held. Hold in the center for the next two and they hit right there in the center about a half an inch apart. Those two different holds gave me a one inch group at 200 yards. Fucking awesome and a great way to finish the shoot.

MarcS          
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 06:57:35 (ZULU)

This conversation is educational and je me sens que mon cerveaux juste éclater (détoner).

;)

Kat Girl

de-flagellate?

Kat Girl          
Ellay, CA, USA - Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 05:39:26 (ZULU)

Call it burn, deflagrate, or yihaaaa!--the terms are not so important outside the lab.  We all know Red blows off oil well fires with explosives.  

But, Lito, my friend, you are bucking etymology itself with your technical precision:-))

Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: def¡¤la¡¤grate

Pronunciation: \&#712;def-l&#601;-&#716;gr¨¡t\

Function: verb

Inflected Form(s): def¡¤la¡¤grat¡¤ed; def¡¤la¡¤grat¡¤ing

Etymology: Latin deflagratus, past participle of deflagrare to burn down, from de- + flagrare to burn ¡ª more at black

Date: circa 1727

transitive verb

: to cause to deflagrate ¡ª compare detonate 1

intransitive verb

: to burn rapidly with intense heat and sparks being given off

¡ª def¡¤la¡¤gra¡¤tion  \&#716;def-l&#601;-&#712;gr¨¡-sh&#601;n\ noun

Princeton Wordnet:

deflagrate  

A verb

1  deflagrate

  burn with great heat and intense light; "the powder deflagrated"  

 Category Tree:

change

¨^change state; turn

¨^burn; combust

¨^deflagrate

2  deflagrate

cause to burn rapidly and with great intensity; "care must be exercised when this substance is to be deflagrated"  

 Category Tree:

burn; combust

Well, you have your work cut out for you.  The whole world thinks of deflagration as a burn thingie.  Man...quixotic quest that, eh?  Just deflagrate the windmill and be done with it, and we'll argue burn rates over a beer:-))

Joe M          
Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 03:18:31 (ZULU)

Since you have criticized my approach. Please provide a superior explanation why ANFO creates a slow pressure wave and TNT produces a fast pressure wave.  Use basic terminology, please.

Here is my source for Nitroglycerine as a flammable... I will admit, I have never tried it.  

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/nitroglycerin/recognition.html

I have worked with ANFO, TNT and other explosives in uncontrolled environments (fires).  There are three active bluestone / aggregate quarry operations in or near my area of coverage.  Blasting trucks transit through all the time.  We've had two involved in major accidents in town.

Having seen the photos of the 1988 ANFO event where two whole engine companies were vaporized.  I'm here to learn and nothing else.

http://www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-024.pdf

http://firegeezer.com/wp-content/photos/KC_explosion.jpg

Because of my Hazmat background. I have 'federal' invites for more advanced Nuke, CBRN and explosives mitigation training that I would love to attend....just waiting for the kids to grow up a little more.

medicjim          
Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 02:09:15 (ZULU)

byee

CLICK

kat girl

Kat Girl          
Ellay, CA, USA - Tuesday, November 3, 2009, at 00:20:28 (ZULU)

TNT, Nitroglycerin, Dynamite, etc, do NOT burn.  Burning is an oxidation reaction, two different things are required, an oxidizer (which does NOT have to be oxygen) and a reducer... like black powder... but TNT, Nitroglycerin, etc...

... none of these burn.  They "DEFLAGERATE", which is a decomposition reaction.

Trust me on this one, you are applying layman's language to a very well defined area of chemistry/physics... and layman's language does not workie here.  Because you see flames or fire, does not mean something is burning, it may be deflagerating

I have done a lot in explosives, and I know of what I speak.

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Fluffy Whomper...

         
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, November 2, 2009, at 23:34:44 (ZULU)

P=plenty was a satisfactory solution right up until you put the ruck on your back.

Target analysis was where a demo guy in SF made his bones.  RFI'ing a nation's ability to replace certain nodes was part of it, just as understanding critical nodes themselves for processes from gen step downs to oil refinery or pipeline delivery was.  With all the brute force available---my team loved it when I came up with a well placed round or two from the sniper's systems.  TA is money.  Application of explosives, not so much.  Although even there, I had access to exotic configurations that enhanced effects in certain materials---a lighter load-out was the result.  That was money too, at least from my teammates.  But in all cases, the velocity of the burn was all I concerned myself with for picking the explosive to the desired effects.  

Joe M          
Monday, November 2, 2009, at 21:30:42 (ZULU)

medicjim          
Monday, November 2, 2009, at 20:49:43 (ZULU)

So let's get the word out about this in the middle east.  Then, we just chain a pig or two at every point we want guarded against the suicide bombers :-))

Heheheheh.  "Allah, where are my promised virgins and what's with this curly tail and square nose?"  

ANFO was boosted with 1 lb of TNT per 25 lbs of anfo; I kept it to 1:20 myself after tossing grains all over the range once on a big shot.  Appparently, a single booster of 18 pounds of TNT in a 55 gallon drum of anfo isn't the correct answer. I shoulda used 30:-))

Joe M          
Monday, November 2, 2009, at 20:07:08 (ZULU)

True explosives do not use fuel and oxidizers, ergo, they do not/can not, burn.

Ammonium Nitrate is an explosive all by itself.  When NH4NO3 explodes, there is a small bit of unused Oxygen.

2 Nh4 NO3 = 2 N2 + 4 H20 + O2

That last 02 molecule can be made to add a little more heat, so it is used to BURN some vapor phase fuel oil (it can be any organo-solvent, alcohol, mineral spirits, etc).  The presence of fuel oil also makes the Ammonium Nitrate easier to "Shoot", cuz in the pure state, it is fairly hard to get going (a bitch to shoot).

Nitroglycerin, TNT, and other true (non-binary) explosives do not have fuel and oxidizers in them, they are very long chain molecules that are held together by high energy bonds, and when the bonds are broken, the whole thing comes apart fast, and after the explosion, the loose atoms recombine into whatever is around.

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CatMan

         
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, November 2, 2009, at 19:24:20 (ZULU)

So that was why I made hay about that property.  It was the primary military consideration for such use.

Joe M          
Monday, November 2, 2009, at 19:13:33 (ZULU)

ANFO has the oxidizer and the fuel co-located at the chemical level (my term)... when combustion occurs, there will be areas where combustion is perfectly matched and there will be areas where there is too much fuel or too much oxygen... those 'areas' eventually find each other in many cases and sustain the combustion event... thus, a slow blast in relative terms.

Explosives like nitroglycerine have fuel and oxidizer well balanced within the individual molecule... they combust much faster and more completely, creating one big, very fast bang.

If you could hold Oxygen and Hydrogen in as close a matrix as water, but somehow allow the combustion event to happen simultaneously for each molecule, you'd have one insanely powerful explosive.

medicjim          
Monday, November 2, 2009, at 18:09:31 (ZULU)

Not really :(

It is fairly easy to figure out what the real frame rate is on stuff like this - the bullets are ~1" in length, figure the on screen time for a bullet to travel it's own length, and then the math is easy.

Some of the films are humped up - that is, the loads that were driving the bullets were minimum and the bullets were barely coming out of the barrel... the 45 bullet coming out of the muzzle had no gas behind it (how'd they do that?? :))) - it was barely falling out of the muzzle.

In others, the bullet was an "already fired" bullet that was fired a second time out of a Sabot at very low velocity (a few hundred fps).

The best of them had bullets traveling ~1,000 to 1,500 fps, and frame rates were on the order of ~10,000 to 20,000 fps...

... but they are still pretty.

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ANFO - the diesel fuel is ~6% of the weight of Ammonium Nitrate.  It slows the speed of propagation of the wave very slightly, but it gives off more heat, so it is a positive addition - plus it does offer some protection from humidity, but since ANFO is mixed on site or a day or so before use, and not months in advance, that is a non-issue.

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'lito