November 10, 2000 - November 18, 2000
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment110900d.shtml
I, for one, don't doubt that the democrats dominate the dumb-ass vote.
CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 01:48:59 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.237.110)
Anyone of youz bums have any knowledge of the "AR-50" riffle.
I saw one briefly at my dealers today... he had ordered for some
other guy.
Looked beautiful... all 42+ pounds of it... my heart's still going
pitty-pat!!
I definitly could live with one of those puppies in my house:))
Youz guys got any personal feedback?... OK, I'll take rumors!
Dean M. (Trigger 50)... You out there lurking. Lemme know what you think of them.
------------------------------------------
I made a copy of the Florida ballot off the internet, and gave it to my son (who is 8!)... and did a "If you had to pick "gore", which dot would you color?"... by my wrist watch, it took him four seconds to get it right!
I had a friend that said "All food should come in cans... that way, people that are too stupid to use a can opener, won't live long enough to breed!"
He called it "Social Darwinism!"
Why should adults that have the mental skills of a 4 year old, even
be in the election process at all...
(OK Bravo... I know it's constitutional).
... but then if they are too stupid to punch a hole in a ballot,
what bit of political knowledge to they posess that makes them fit to help
decide how the country should be run???
None... So make the ballots like a kiddie maze on the place mats
at "Dutchess" or "Big Boy"... and if the voter can figure it out, they
are smart enough to vote.
Got ma' 10mm smokin' and I'm ready to go back to Robs bunch, and get whipped again ;))
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 02:01:53 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.249.180.85)
BTW: Bush's camp have grown a backbone. They now are on record as
saying that if algor doesn't concede the race, they will protest the voting
fraud in five different states. And it's documented. They'll win. Nixon
had a real reason to question the ballot count, but didn't "for the good
of the country". Too bad algor couldn't take a lesson.
Bravo - Patriots
USA <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
LET IT START HERE!, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 02:26:25 (ZULU)
(your host address: 209.180.85.244)
I got a problem with the dingleberrys that vote, and go home, and the next day, when their guy looses, then jumps up and says, "Not fair, I punched the wrong hole, cuz I didn't understand it!".
I voted for (you know who), and now, I can't remember what line the switch thing was on... how does somebody remember several days later, which dot they punched?? Cuz some slickster "TELLS them what to say"!
'lito
Pablitoi <condor@mags.net>
USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 02:57:07 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.249.180.85)
this presidential erection has given me a softie, my gut is tellin me Bush has it, but those goddamn democraps are bound to screw us over, I only have one word for it, and it's not nice.
Darren, the only way you can get an 11.25" twist in a .308 is if I get every autograph from the Raiders, and some of the A's. Maybe a helmet would be nice. LOL!!!! Oh, I mean, I'm serious!! heheheh...hope to see ya out here, I'll keep my eye out for ya
I think I can get H-S to go standard on 11.25 twists, gimme some time, let me know if this is the real shit. Ballistically 168's and above it is no contest, IMHO.
Pat, is lock stock and barrel fairly competetive for reloading equip?? I've heard I can go the same for less elsewhere............
I have about 40 45" 50 cals to make here within a few weeks, I may not keep up with the email as fast as you'd hope, but I'll do my best.
PeteR:
talked to my dad this week, says the pheasants are lousy East River,
he's really rubbin' it in
check ya later
JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
rapid city, sd, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 02:58:46 (ZULU)
(your host address: 208.34.14.14)
Well I got one blue print for a .50. It was semi auto though. What I may do is re-design the Weatherby Mark V action. I intend to enlarge it to accomadte the .50, this is a proven design. I prefer to work with a bolt gun. Anyway if any of you have any blue prints that detail measurements and dimentions please let me know.
Bad Karma
Bad Karma <jwhiteii56@hotmaI.com>
USA? - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 04:10:22 (ZULU) (your host address:
206.170.184.211)
Patron 'Lito: we're shooting at the same target here, really. My
point was that the system is set up to handle everyone, regardless of disability,
physical or mental. What we have now is a source of mentally substandard
individuals that can't admit that they're stupid at the time, and look
for someone to blame it on later. Egos are evil things in some people,
notably the condescending mental midgetry.
Bravo - Patriots
USA <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
LET IT BEGIN HERE!, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 04:18:44 (ZULU)
(your host address: 209.180.85.244)
At what ranges did you observe opposition forces and engage targets? Was your rifle capable of neutralizing the enemy's armored personnel carriers under the conditions you expected to engage them? Were they track vehicles or rubber tire?
You said that, in the event of an enemy assault, you were tasked to engage the enemy from the rear. I would assume that your primary means of doing so would be to direct mortar fire onto their positions. Is that correct? Did you think that you had enough mortars at your disposal to repel such an attack? Were their expected lines of communication and staging areas obvious enough that you were able to pre-plot your target areas? Would they be forced to concentrate in small areas for an attack?
Again, if you are unable to answer these questions, we understand.
Pablo, Bravo, I understand that it has been ruled on so there is that all-important precedent. I posted the link. Here it is again.
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment110900d.shtml
(Disclaimer: All I know about the law is that, except for Old Dog,
I can't stand lawyers.)
CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 04:38:17 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.89)
Rabon <fairchase@iwon.com>
Alaska, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 04:46:53 (ZULU) (your host
address: 209.165.151.181)
NAACP, Jesse Jackson, James Carvel, and the rest of the attack dogs, it's no wonder these people are often considered the enemy. They don't know how to act with dignity or honor.
I'll try to go out shooting here tomorrow or over the weekend so
in my next post I can talk about something other than politics and the
"CryBaby Party."
B. Douglas <uglygun@lightspeed.net>
Cowpie, Ca, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 07:12:07 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.161.204.203)
Nice posts again!
How about some performance info on your duty ammo, what do you chaps
shoot/carry for the .338/416 Lapua AI's - FMJ, API, other?
Field performance of ammo on static and hard targets?
Rabon,
Democrats as Sheep????? now don't go slurring the West Virginny State animal! Plus you can kill'em and eat em (sheep that is) and they are awful tasty.
Democrats - old - stringy - taste like Geritol Gaaaaaaaaahski
JR,
On top of ALL the political turmoil you have to bring up (taunt me)
ringnecks again! :-) Hmmmmmm oven baked cackle chicken with roasted taters
& ham n green beans.
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Folks- In spite of all the recent Y2KPOLLY CRAPSKI -
PLEASE REMEMBER ALL THE VETERANS WHO DIED, OR WERE MAIMED, TO KEEP
US FREE AND ABLE TO BITCH ABOUT WHAT WE DON'T LIKE. God Bless them!
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Chao!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 11:31:36 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.213.49)
Today is the Marine Corps Birthday! Semper Fi!
Ken :)
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nokesville, VA, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 12:02:34 (ZULU)
(your host address: 207.233.164.10)
A "Gore-on"
*:-0
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 13:14:35 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.197.62)
What's that tell you?
Do you suppose changing the term 'fool-proof' to 'democrat-proof' would be fair to fools?
CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 14:50:09 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.58)
The Shooter <kkonen@usa.net>
God Bless TX, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 15:17:32 (ZULU) (your
host address: 208.21.196.108)
Thanks again for your time and knowledge in regards to my situation. I also appoligize for any spelling errors. I am a USAF combat rifle instructor, not a literature major.
Charlie Mike (Continue Mission)
Ray
Ray <iamdangerclose@cs.com>
Las Vegas, NV, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 15:36:27 (ZULU) (your
host address: 205.188.199.154)
Long live the United States, and success to the MARINES!
Mark <markj12pct@aol.com>
Ohio, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 16:27:02 (ZULU) (your host
address: 205.188.199.33)
I hear what you are saying about the Whitman incident. And I must always not try to speak as an know it all, particullarly on incidents I wasn't at.
But, what I read about that incident, was that it was guys with hunting rifles (those nasty "civilians..") who made any contribution to suppressing Whitman. The police apparantly only had pistols and shotguns.
And maybe a fully trained sniper team would have outmatched Whitman by a longshot, but, thats the name of the game. Any time you have a guy gunning down civilians with even basic military/hunting skills, its pretty serious.
Also, a trained sniper team will be thinking perhaps a bit more about other issues, such as "where can I shoot from that provides an adequate backstop against my round to avoid collateral damage etc." than the average guy with a patrol rifle.
I see your point and respect it. Lot's of LEA's issue "patrol rifles" to their patrol units now and that might have saved the day.
However, the Whitman incident was one popular incident which did lead to the evolution of police snipers. There have obviously been several more incidents where they have been highly beneficial to police/public safety.
And while I have strong feelings about Ruby Ridge, that is the exception to the rule and not the norm. Not that its excusable in any way, shape or form.
I think LTC Plasters book, the Ultimate Sniper has a section about this incident.
Keep those beers a brewing! See you around!
Jeff
Jeff <dog21@together.net>
VT, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 16:46:18 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.91.44.194)
Probably will get an identical scope the rifle is the only question
Choices are Rem. PSS or Rem. LTR i can get either for $699
First off is this a good price for these rifles?
Secondly which would you recommend?
I understand the velocity lost by the 20" over 26" barrell is negible with .308
Understanding manufacturing variables in a production rifle which "should" be more accurate?
Thank you all
Geoff
Geoff <sgtgeo@hotmail.com>
Raleigh, NC, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 16:53:36 (ZULU) (your
host address: 198.86.252.33)
Ken: Yup! Happy Birthday USMC! I'd forgotten all about today with the distractions of possible global anihiliation. After all, I doubt China knows that we're in a near state of civil unrest, with a lame dick (er, duck) president, and Tiawan doesn't mean anything to them anyhow. But as the semper fidellis has taken history, it will proceed in the future. All out!
And I think I got a cursed starlight case. I was mad about not being
able to go shooting, so I left Betty Lou in the case waiting for good weather.
It rained for almost 3 weeks solid. So last night I load her up again for
this morning, and wake up to a solid foot of snow. It's dumped over another
foot on me since I woke up. Heck, after shoveling the drive, my wife took
off (not 15 minutes later) and there was another inch on the pavement!
Well, atleast the feds will have a hard time getting up the hill HA!
Bravo - Patriots
USA <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
time to stay at home and read "a time to hunt", USA - Friday, November
10, 2000 at 16:57:01 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.181)
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment111000b.shtml
Bill R already hinted at this, but consider the following Tom Clancy scenario: Gorewinkle appears dumb enough to think he's going to blow off the constitution and O.J. jury his way into the presidency. Professional rabble-rousers are in the process of whipping the inner cities into a Rodney-King-Riot frenzy. THIS ADMINISTRATION does not understand violence but has the power to put troops in the streets. The troops didn't vote for him and don't like him.
There are some mean and merciless people overseas who don't like us and are watching closely. One has the power to disrupt our life blood which is our oil supply. It is the responsibility of THIS ADMINISTRATION to deal with those people while defending the constitution domestically.
The outcomes of these events are completely unpredictable. I expect
it will all blow over like that Y2K nonsense.
CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 17:00:26 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.76)
On Lon Horiuchi: I will feel much more at ease when I grab the carton
of milk in the morning and see his face on the side. That he is afforded
witness protection status is in my mind indefensible. I don't want to start
an uproar with you pro-Lon guys, this is just my mindset.
Bravo - Patriots
USA <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
happy birthday USMC!, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 17:13:13 (ZULU)
(your host address: 209.180.85.164)
Carry on...
Roger C. <madeditor75@hotmail.com>
Surrounded by liberals with blue hair and five pounds of metal stuck
through their faces in Austin, Texas, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at
18:01:21 (ZULU) (your host address: 208.226.102.2)
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARINES! LONG LIVE THE CORPS AND SUCCESS TO THE MARINES!
Now that I have that off my chest, I want to thank all our brothers (and sisters) who have served. You can be justifiably proud of your contributions.
The Election: I am sickened by the current election. Got a post that said the Pres can declare the Florida vote "tainted" and disalow it and the electoral votes. Meanwhile Al Gore has not been visibly involved, but his minions are doing everything they can to insure the win. It presently looks like Gore will take Oregon. Would like to know WHY it takes so long for a state our size to count a couple million votes and why it takes so long for the precincts to "report".
Personally, I think we had better get ready for 4-8 years of a Demo President. In another 2-4 I think the house and senate will roll back to democract control. Unfortunately, we seem to have a bunch of Demo politicians/lawyers who have figured out a way to subvert our electoral system and have the lack of morals to do so...
Think I'll go place some orders for brass, primers, bullets, and powder...
Semper Fi,
Wes
(PRAYING TO GOD I'M WRONG)
Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 19:49:25 (ZULU) (your
host address: 192.6.15.20)
For those interested in NM politics, Gore's lead is now down to 164 votes statewide, after the "retabulation" last night and today in the Bernalillo County election results warehouse. The 1700 or so absentee ballots (which include a lot of military) have been counted but not yet announced, and are not included in the totals yet. Our measly 5 electoral votes are still up for grabs.
Interestingly, there are 252 ballots "missing", that officials are trying to locate within the warehouse. How they know that exactly 252 are missing is anybody's guess.
As Gore's lead evaporated from 3700 down to 164, the state Democratic Chairperson announced that she has been in touch with the Dem's in DC and requested observers to be sent here immediately. Earlier she appeared to have no need for them!
Note to DC lawyers parachuting into NM:
I'd suggest a night insertion, it's still dove season out here.
Bruce N. Robinson <bnrobins@flash.net>
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 19:51:23 (ZULU) (your
host address: 216.215.105.159)
De Oppresso Liber !!
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Woodbridge, NJ, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 20:49:41 (ZULU)
(your host address: 32.97.88.102)
Early this week I wrote an email to Leupold to find out how to get a 308Y dial. Their reply said that "they are developing new (i.e., better) dials that will be available after the first of the year".
"new (i.e., better)" are their words not mine so don't ask me for specifics. But it is something to keep an eye on.
If this has been covered recently, sorry for the rehash, take it as a reminder.
Doug
Doug <dmorisoli@worldnet.att.net>
PA, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 20:59:39 (ZULU) (your host address:
12.78.214.242)
The cams for the M3-LR, and the MK4-M3 are being re-calculated, due to errors discovered my some bum on this site, after about two years of work.
Go back in the archives and read the last 6 months.
Looks loke New Mexico is going to join the "recount" fray...
I ordered a 50 cal today, an AR-50 today... more macaroni and cheese ;((
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 21:31:44 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.249.180.32)
It would be worth your while to go to the links page of this site
and find 'Frount Sight' in Pahrump. The honcho there is named Naish Piazza.
He's fully competent to show you how to use the scout rifle. If you want
a dedicated long-range rifle, there are better, and cheaper, options.
CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 21:32:21 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.70)
Hope enlightens previous posts Slugboy!
Slugboy <Slug.boy@virgin.net>
England - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 21:34:18 (ZULU) (your host address:
62.253.64.4)
Dean, I need to get hold of you for some assistance. Please email me.
Jeff
Jeff <jeff.harmon@acterna.com>
McKinney , TX, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 22:32:55 (ZULU) (your
host address: 205.188.198.36)
Also, just a word of thanks to the webmasters who contribute much of what little free time they have so that we can have a forum like this.
Also, in spite of all the elections issues going on, think for a minute about how many places in the world would allow the freedom of speech that we can have a site like this free censorship.
God Bless America and may we never forget.
Jeff
Jeff <dog21@together.net>
VT, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 22:42:07 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.91.46.126)
When are we going to see some pictures from this year's Rendezvous?
Kevin R. Mussack <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 22:45:16
(ZULU) (your host address: 152.163.204.69)
Hopefully soon, but its my understanding Marius is up to his ears
in counting ballots, ooops ;-)
Chao!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 22:58:07 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.201.212)
Well over 2 feet of snow, and it's cooling off (still snowing!) Betty Lou is feeling neglected.
Anyone think that if I claimed I filled out my ballot wrong, they'd
give me a government entitlement program for free M-118LR? Where's that
algor red crayon? HA!
Bravo - Patriots
USA <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
The banana republic, formerly known as the, USA - Friday, November
10, 2000 at 23:33:04 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.245)
iiii's out
iiiiwanabe <mikelsam@ipa.net>
siloam springs, Ar, USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 00:37:06 (ZULU)
(your host address: 209.128.140.61)
Thanks, Bud
Bud Montague <budmont1@optonline.net>
USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 01:43:02 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.189.149.32)
a) Must see 5.56 bullet holes at 300 yards in paper.
b) Must see 7.62 bullet holes at 600 yards in paper.
c) No recticle on the lens (cover up bullet holes?)
I would prefer not to sell my kidney but would consider it. HA!
McGrath
John McGrath <jkmcgrath@home.com>
Springfield, Missouri (First to ever elect a dead man. Wasted our most
sacred gift. Votes!!!!!!), USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 01:47:57
(ZULU) (your host address: 24.4.255.84)
http://www.aspiringtech.net/Pics/morons1.gif
Ken :)
Ken <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nokesville, Va, USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 02:40:23 (ZULU)
(your host address: 207.233.164.10)
Question, "What three things will be left after all life has ended on Earth?"
Answer, "Clintons, Gore and Cockroached".
Semper Gumby Marines.
Out
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 02:47:09 (ZULU) (your host address:
166.102.23.52)
If this is not something you guys wanna see, let me know. I figure
current events are good for snipers to consider for future work.
>
>Panama arms trade a question of supply and demand
>
>
>October 18, 2000
>
>PANAMA CITY (Reuters) -- From gold-laden mule trains linking the
Pacific
>and Atlantic oceans in the 1500s to the shimmering canal at the
heart of
>its modern service-led economy, Panama has long benefited from
legitimate
>east-west trade.
>
>But with the weapons-laden nations of Central America to the north
and
>Colombia's cocaine-fueled war machine to the south, the narrow,
tapering
>isthmus now is being sucked into a spiraling regional barter economy
in
>drugs and guns.
>
>Rust-flecked weapons used by former combatants in Nicaragua's bloody
Contra
>war that killed 30,000 in the 1980s are smuggled through Panama
by land and
>sea to Colombian rebels, often in exchange for Andean cocaine en
route to
>the United States, prosecutors say.
>
>The ideological stripe of the outlaw faction is no object, with
left-wing
>Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) and National Liberation
Army
>(ELN) rebels queuing up to buy alongside right-wing paramilitaries,
>officials say.
>
>"The trade in arms and drugs through Panama happens for one reason:
the
>country's geographical position. It's a path to market for sought-after
>products," Panama's deputy drug prosecutor Patricio Candanedo told
Reuters
>in an interview.
>
>"Drugs go toward North America, where they find their greatest
market in
>the United States, while the large quantity of arms that remained
in
>Central America head south to where the present armed conflict
is."
>
>Bellicose peace dividend
>When peace accords ended a proxy war between Nicaragua's U.S.-backed
>Contras and Cuban-trained Sandinista forces in 1990, more than
80,000
>combatants were demobilized in a country ranked among the three
poorest in
>the hemisphere.
>
>While former factions handed over thousands of weapons to authorities,
some
>estimates say around 50,000 remained in the hands of ex-combatants
as
>negotiable assets in the peace process that promised land and credit.
>Nicaraguan police recently pegged the figure at only 5,000.
>
>"It can't be denied that in the 1980s there were a lot of arms,
not just in
>Nicaragua but throughout Central America, but we are hunting them
down,"
>Nicaraguan armed forces chief Gen. Javier Carrion told reporters
last
>month.
>
>Kept in clandestine arsenals, the weapons are widely available
for sale
>both in Nicaragua and neighboring Honduras and Costa Rica. In Honduras,
>from where 15,000 Contras fought their hit-and-run cross-border
war
>throughout the 1980s, police say AK-47 assault rifles are cheap
and
>plentiful.
>
>"Nicaraguan Contras sold thousands of rifles and pistols in Honduras
for
>between $70 and $100, and unfortunately many of them fell into
criminal
>hands," police spokesman Hector Mejia told Reuters.
>
>In Costa Rica, dubbed the "Switzerland of Central America" for
its
>decades-old democratic government, police say arms buried in hidden
caches
>on farmland along the northern frontier with Nicaragua can be bought
for
>$100, with 15,000 rounds of ammunition thrown in for purchases
of more than
>100.
>
>While El Salvador's bloody 12-year conflict ended with 1992 peace
accords
>that transformed the 8,000-strong Farabundo Marti National Liberation
>(FMLN) guerrillas into a left-wing opposition party, police there
say
>former weapons are readily available on a local black market.
>
>"In former times there were a lot of arms around throughout Salvador
and
>some people took advantage of the situation. (But) the black market
mostly
>supplies criminals at the national level," National Civilian Police
>spokesman Jose Tobar said.
>
>Enough guns for an infantry
>In the year to September, Panama police seized enough Central American
>weapons en route to Colombia to arm an infantry battalion, including
362
>Soviet-made AK-47 assault rifles, dozens of U.S.-made M-16s and
Israeli
>Galils, and 427 pistols of various calibers.
>
>In four operations alone last month near Panama City and the Atlantic
port
>of Colon, police impounded almost 3,000 pounds (1,400 kg) of explosives,
>plus machine guns, grenades, Russian antipersonnel mines and Chinese
rocket
>launchers.
>
>The raids, which netted above 125,000 rounds of ammunition and
led to the
>arrest of 16 suspects, including Panamanians, Colombians and one
Venezuelan
>national, also found insurgency manuals and, in one case, cassette
tapes
>with rousing Nicaraguan guerrilla anthems.
>
>Security forces in Panama and Colombia say much of Central America's
>leftover arsenal makes its way south to Colombian rebels by boat
along the
>poorly guarded Caribbean coastline. Once there, it is sold for
cash at a
>500-percent markup, or bartered for drugs.
>
>Weapons are also smuggled into Panama from Costa Rica across the
border at
>Paso Canoas in trucks, from where they are hauled south to safe
houses,
>police say. Some continue to Colombia by boat, while lesser quantities
are
>hauled east across the Darien Gap's open jungle frontier into Colombia.
>
>While regional security forces have played down the scale of the
illicit
>north-south arms trade in recent months, some countries are now
calling for
>international cooperation to interrupt the flow of weapons southward.
>
>"This (arms trafficking) is a regional problem, which also involves
El
>Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras and Panama," Costa Rican Security
Minister
>Rogelio Ramos said recently. "It's a problem that we all have to
address."
Jeff <dog21@together.net>
VT, USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 02:48:28 (ZULU) (your host
address: 209.91.32.177)
iiiiwanabe...
And don't for get the Cheyenne's "March of Tears"!!
Bud Montague...
Darrel Holland can be reached at "Holland's Gunsmithing"...
at 541-439-5155... he has one of the best reputations in the country,
and he's very easy to talk to.
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 03:33:05 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.249.180.137)
Happy Birthday, Marines (Including two members of my family.), and
God Bless all Veterans. My flag is up for you, and my heart goes out to
you. Without you we wouldn't enjoy the freedom we have in this country.
PaulS <kpszopa@aol.com>
Columbia, MO, USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 03:39:56 (ZULU)
(your host address: 205.188.192.42)
Laying in a hide playing host to swarms of tropical insects as it rained for eleven hours a day?
Ahh, the glamor.
CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 04:43:50 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.14)
CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 04:47:20 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.14)
Sarge
Sarge <garryrn@dfn.com>
Area 51, NM, USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 05:24:34 (ZULU) (your
host address: 206.245.243.111)
Election Prayer: Oh Lord,Can we please have Reagan back?
Carl Hendricks <loper@micron.net>
USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 06:15:43 (ZULU) (your host address:
206.206.37.145)
As of now, I'm severly antagonized. I thought it was just good form for the communists to wait until AFTER they were sworn in to recommend a dismantling of our Constitution. Seems Hitlery doesn't want to wait for her turn. But in all good faith, I will not give a complete and total call to arms quite yet LOL.
And to you lawyers out there, is there anything *I* can do as a citizen
in the way of a personal law suit against an elected official if he breaks
his oath of office? Seriously. I'll pay the bill if I can have some of
these fetid pieces of porcine excrement imprizoned on charges.
Bravo - PatriotsUSA
<Bravo762@yahoo.com>
2+ feet of snow, guess it's a good time to load more 5.56 NATO, USA
- Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 06:26:30 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.232)
Just a little vision of Redneck utopia for you all out there.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 12:29:02 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 15:03:32 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.237.107)
Lets invite Bravo the brewmaster to set up his international headquarters there, would definitely make the dream complete!
Could also be the international headquarters for; Norcal, Undude
Sling Co., Bolt's Fishing Tackle Service; and a zillion other "outdoor
friendly" companies!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 15:09:22 (ZULU) (your host address:
63.50.55.73)
SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are there enough people here that would be willing to develop the
idea of a "shooter's paradise" somewhere in these U.S.? There has to be
enough affordable swamp or desert yucky land that nobody wants that we
could get for a song! WHAT YOU GUYS THINK??????????
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 15:15:34 (ZULU) (your host address:
63.50.55.73)
Fly-specks in the election: Al Gwhore best watch his back if he pursues this strategy of cherry picking which counties to micro-recount.
We MUST keep the electoral college in place. Gore did NOT win hardly ANY states. He merely carried the large cities within states to take the whole thing. If we went to popular vote, candidates would only campaign in Los Angeles, S.F, New York and Philly and tehy would take the whole enchilada. The rest of the nation be damned.
Look at the extreme voter skewing here in Philadelphia for example. Lots of talk here about Dems registering mental patients,homeless, etc. (their typical "informed voter" base). In South Philly if you're a Repub, you're dead man walking.
Bush lost ALL of Pennsylvania, in my opinion, just due to Philly. And if Penn went the other way, we aren't having this discussion, we're out celerating Bush as new president.
SAVE OUR CONSITUTION
(Soap box mode off)
Good day
Doug <dmorisoli@worldnet.at.net>
PA, USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 16:27:58 (ZULU) (your host
address: 32.101.132.168)
Bush has an obligation to step up to the plate. I will support his
effort through work and contributions. I don't shoot, or threaten to shoot,
people. I don't believe in Utopia. All Utopias carry with them The Gulag.
CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 20:43:59 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.75)
I looked at the confusing ballot and fully agree that it might confuse
some voters (wink, wink). In fact, I could understand if some Bush supporters
might see the big "3" next to Bush's name and assume that they needed to
count down to punch the third hole. I can see this leading to a situation
where some clean Gore votes, were actually INTENDED to be Bush votes, but
the "3" was confusing. I would suggest that any of my fellow Bush supporters,
who also happen to live in PB county, might want to think about whether
they ACTUALLY voted for Bush, or if maybe Gore got their vote. Hmmmmm Maybe
all of PB should be tossed out (w/ no re-vote). Gee, I wonder what THAT
would mean...
André <andrekp@yahoo.com>
Pompano Beach, FL, USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 21:31:54 (ZULU)
(your host address: 208.63.238.250)
Well, I reckon everybody including me is about fed up with politics right now. Kinda like waiting for water to boil. I sent Bush and Cheney an email today telling them to get in there fight to win, not to wussy out. Done bout all I can do. I'm through with posting or even pondering it until somebody simply says who won.
We probably need to go back to shooting subjects again. More fun talking about "spindrift" than politics!
Bolt, feeling like having another Bravo Brew, OUT!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 21:35:45 (ZULU) (your host address:
63.50.54.238)
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
Used up about 7 years of my life in the last few days... in the very
confused, USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 22:32:58 (ZULU) (your host
address: 24.191.22.56)
Patron 'Lito: political spin (drift) is always to the left. It comes
from the media (medium) that the stuff is flying (through). It's surprising
how many carvile "long range crap throwers" there are running about. As
for me, count me in the bunkered and cammoed camp LOL
Bravo - Patriots
USA <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
Insert treasonous politician here ->, Hangmans noose and gallows, USA
- Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 00:17:00 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.180)
SERIOUSLY!
sorry, i know we ain't 'sposed to do that. he he he he he he he
Cory <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
but seriously dude, really., USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 00:17:57
(ZULU) (your host address: 158.252.73.195)
Just a little vision of Redneck utopia for you all out there.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 00:50:14 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
These are only approximations, however I believe we must now re-think the theory of "drifitng while spinning" in relationship to tactical distances of <= 112 meters.
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 01:20:37 (ZULU) (your host address:
63.50.54.238)
75% of the Jewish vote? Is that published? I haven't seen anything regarding that but it's probably true, especially here in Palm Beach County. How? Simple, most Jews are democrats and Leiberman is the first Jew ever picked for the "heartbeat" job. If you were Jewish, who would you vote for?
The problem is that most Jews have gotten fat, dumb and happy living in the Banana Republic. As far as "never again," the only Jews you'll see espousing that doctrine live in Israel or belong to the Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership, a decidely right wing, militant organization that most Jews shy away from. And before anyone gets rightously indignant, I am not prejudiced. I work and socialize with quite a few of them, so....shut....up.
A dear lady at work (whom I refer to as my Jewish mother) was talking with me the other day about the possibility of Algwhore taking the election to the courts to "get his way." I explained to her that the Constitution did not allow that. She thought that it was his "right" to do so because she didn't like Bush and the hell with the Constitution! Excuse me? So what about the right of assembly, of religion, of speech, of unwarranted search and seizure, etc, etc? Don't these mean anything to you anymore? Silence.
The Jews are, in my opinion, forgetting their own history, now that
they too are on the fed's dole.
Andre -
How dare you come in to our great state and try to tell us how to act like morons?! Just where do you get off, dude? I've been here 18 years and I'm just now getting the fine points down, although I still have a long way to go - I screwed up my ballot - I voted for the guy I really wanted to vote for. Damn!
You need to pay your dues, man. Go spend some time in Morrison's Cafeteria and have Jello spilled all over you! Stand in the checkout line at Publix and get your ankles smashed from behind! THEN you can start showing us the errors of our ways.
Hey, wait a minute. You're not even in the right county. You're in Broward, not Palm Beach! DAMN INTERLOPER! Double Damn! HA! ;-)
Moe
Moe Mensale <mjmensale@aol.com>
LOOK! IT'S JESSE JACKOFF!, FL, USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 01:52:00
(ZULU) (your host address: 205.188.199.31)
Just back from a day of spectacularly unsuccessful Rooseveldt Elk Hunting. Don't know where the beasties went to, but then our Pacific Coast Rain Forest and nasty terrain don't help much. Hell, I even dropped into the "hole from hell" thinking they might be holed up there...no joy.
Terry, I agree that the states run there own voting, but believe me there are Federal laws in place that allow Billy Boy to null and void the election...why do you think he has been smiling so much lately. Maybe he KNOWS he's not out of a job!
Actually, the whole mess is just that. The problem is that we don't know what the reality is...as we get only selected bits and pieces from both sides. I'd like it settled so we can decide on what our course of action needs to be...
I'm ready to do what the rest of the crew looks like they're doing...getting ready to "bunker down".
Interesting conversation today with Steve Nelson, Secretary of the American Custom Guncrafters Guild. We were both carrying non magnums for elk. In my case a .35 Whelan Improved and Steve was using an '06. Both customs. We discussed people buying "technological solutions" to percieved hunting needs. A good example would be people jumping on the new Remington Ultra Mag Bandwagon. Do the cartridges really perform better and are they needed? Our take was that theres no real difference between a .300 Winch and the .300 RUM. At least not that an animal can tell. Ballistically, you get a 100 or so more FPS, more recoil, shortened barrel life, etc. NOT a good trade-off.
I hunt with non magnums/unbelted cartridges. Note the "move" in that direction. Belts are worthless and unneeded, but have become what defines "magnum". Case in point is the 6.5 Rem Mag. ANYBODY using it today? Ballistics are not as good as my 6.5 X .284 which is unbelted.
The cartridges we have that work have history...The .270, 30/06, .35 Whelan, 300 H&H, 375 H&H, etc. Do we need more? On the other hand it does sell rifles...
Frankly, the .308 will fill the bill for 99% of what I do and hunt, provided watashi wa does his part...
Happy USMC B-day to all you Marines.
To those that have served: Happy Veterans Day. Your sacrifices, past and present, are appreciated.
Semper Fi,
Wes Howe
Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 02:24:54 (ZULU) (your
host address: 198.145.248.114)
Sir Wes: I agree whole heartedly about the magnums. I took a page from Theodore Roosevelt, he thought that the 30-40 Krag was a great round for all but the largest of American game, for which he preferred the 30-06. As of this point, I can't say that I've ever run across any game wearing kevvies, so I will ditto his findings. I hunted with a 30-06 for YEARS, and then, after relocating to an area where the vegitation was more dense, I went to the 30-40. Great round, get's my approval 100%! I don't need no stinkin belts! Rims maybe though ;-)
Here's something interesting, it's a map of where 50% of the popular vote lives, by county: http://www.millenicom.com/patriot/popvote.gif You can compare that to the USA TODAY county by county vote result at: http://www.millenicom.com/patriot/map.jpg INTERESTING!!!
And now for the moment of curiousity. I did some research on the
7.5mm Schmidt Rubin (7.5mm Swiss), and it it's REALLY close to a 308X284.
So why are the velocities so low? In this source, from a 30.7" bbl, they
got a whopping 2500 fps from a 180 grainer. That's about 300 fps less than
a 30-06 from a 22" barrel. I know something HAS to be up. Was the 7.5 data
very light loads or what? It's GOT to be more powerful than the 308, right?
Bravo - Patriots
USA <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
peeling the banana republic, USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 02:47:02
(ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.180)
Moe, Moe, Moe, Only 18 years? You're just a babe in the big swamp. Hang around, Polytics in cracker land just get better and better all of the time. We are the next Kalifornistan dontcha know! Why do you think I moved to the panhandle. To get away from all of the liberal kooks that have migrated to central and south Florida. Every time y'all flush your privies down in Lala land, Lake Okeechobee drops a foot. Maybe we could cross Gators with them there Raptor dinosaurs....the only people that would survive would be people with Guns!!
Damn I like that idea.
Cory <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
Been all over the state, Fl., USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 04:37:08
(ZULU) (your host address: 158.252.74.70)
(disclaimer: this was not a scientific test, it did not harm sheep,
and it posed no environmental threat, and coming from a near idiot should
be taken as it came from the source.)
Hank <ninesoft2@earthlink.net>
USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 05:39:22 (ZULU) (your host address:
38.31.7.54)
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
needing a laugh, USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 10:35:58 (ZULU)
(your host address: 63.192.208.6)
**Here is a question for the REAL gunsmiths that visit here**
.308 Win is suppose to be 2.8"something" OAL. As we all know a Rem.
700 has alot more freebore than that and if I reload my rounds to be within
0.020 of the lands then there is NO WAY I can load the suckers into the
mag/clip/whatever. OK, IS there ANY way to solve this without spending
major $$$ ??? I have a VSSF and a 700 Laminated that will do 1/2-3/4 MOA
all the way to 600 IF I do my part. Neither rifle has 2,000 rounds through
it yet and I can't see buying a new barrel yet. Is it possible to reset
the barrel ?? Or something ??
It aggravates me to no end to have to load to "spec" when I know I can get more accuracy by seating longer but when I do that the rifle becomes a single shot. Sure it's easier on the checkbook but ...
Last but not least...anyone know of a supplier for Sellier &
Bellot MATCH .308 ?? I would like to try some. Hope the shooters at the
Rifle Match at English Range at Ft. Benning today are having "Fun" with
the "Sphinx" targets !!!! heh heh heh I have blisters from cutting all
that cardboard !!
Thanks
OUT HERE
Will <willadams@mindspring.com>
USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 13:55:32 (ZULU) (your host address:
199.174.148.218)
Had same problem with my PSS when I first got it. After dorking around
with it for about a year, sent it to smith, who trued receiver and bolt,
set barrel back 0.9 inches, recut the chamber, and recrowned barrel. Damn
thing punched .2's and .3's consistently. Barrel still fouled like a dog
after a Mexican dinner though. Finally dumped it for a Hart 1:10. Original
set back and cleanup cost $175.
Bill0294 <lhardin21@netscape.net>
Clearwater Hey I just found more hidden ballots!!, FL, USA - Sunday,
November 12, 2000 at 14:23:24 (ZULU) (your host address: 24.92.205.193)
Will: We are on the same page on Gregory packs. They're good.
Wes: Can I keep my .338 for hunting elk? Other than that goofy belt,
it's really just a .30-06 on steroids. With any kind of center hit, it
brings 'em down right smartly. That saves arguments over whose elk it is
and you don't have to pass up shots you would with a .30-06. With 250 gr
partitions, you can eat right up to the bullet hole. Sounds about like
your .35.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 14:23:58 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.30)
What Bill0294 said. Set back, rechamber and have the throat cut to your specs. My 700 PSS is the same way, but I have decided to live with .6 MOA untill I can approach that performance under field conditions, though I have a lathe and most other tooling to do it any time I actually *have* the time to do it. In the meantime, perhaps a recrown and looking at the bedding will help you. It certainly did in my case.
-Tom
Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Colatown, SC, USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 14:46:30 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.31.205.236)
Didn't mean to upset folks with my comments on belted mags...;-)
Will and Tom, PSS freebore excessive, but they do that so thier barrels will shoot any bullets. I suspect Remington uses the same .308 reamer specs for all thier guns. As noted, if you load to have your bullet just off the lands you're not going to be able to stuff them in the magazine.
I load all my match stuff to 2.800". As you noted having a .6 PSS is great, but until you can shoot to that standard you really don't need anything better. Note: Check the crown. Most can benefit from re-crowning.
Re-crowning: Boots Obermeyer and I have had some serious discussions
on this. Most say an 11 degree or 22 degree is best. Boots did EXTENSIVE
testing and uses a target style crown and breaks it with a
Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett(By God), Oregon, USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 18:23:45
(ZULU) (your host address: 198.145.248.53)
Re-crowning: As I said Boots Obermeyer breaks the rifling with a
60 DEGREE BEVEL. That is what turned out to work best in all his
testing. We won't get into our discussion about gas dispersion around the
base of the bullet! I used a 45 degree on my M40A1 clone and it works great.
In this case, more seems better.
CDC...keep you .338 Magnum. It's a GREAT cartridge. You didn't see my post to Bravo762. I told him there were only two belted magnums worth a hoot...the .338 Winchester and the .375 H & H. You got a good one...
On that note I think I'll duck and seek cover. The rest of the belted magnum guys are probably locking and loading right now.
Semper Fi,
Wes
Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 18:31:00 (ZULU) (your
host address: 198.145.248.53)
Flyshooter
FlyShooter <Byoung0971@aol.com>
FL, USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 19:09:10 (ZULU) (your host address:
172.171.113.238)
O.K. What is so wrong about my 300 winmag, except it only gives about 5 loads per brass? It has great ballistics (which can be considered nothing more than a 308 magnum), and it is very accurate.
Most people only shoot 308 because they don't really need a magnum and that is perfectly understandable.
But why is the 300 winmag such a lousy round in your opinion?
Hank <ninesoft2@earthlink.net>
USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 19:11:13 (ZULU) (your host address:
38.31.4.162)
MOE- I know what you mean about a certain segment of the voters,
and I'm not predjudiced either! REALLY!! I think that they
only vote for what self-serving issues that their "leaders"
tell them to, and not what's best for the country. I wonder
how many people know that they are directly responsible for
the prescence of the Russian Mafia here in the US ? It seems
that after the breakup of the Soviet Union many influential
members of the Jewish community lobbied strongly with
politicians like Liberman, Feinstein, Chuckie Schumer and their
ilk to get the INS to relax immigration standards and get these
thugs to the US on the pretext of "religious persecution".
And now look what they're up to!
I'm praying for a Bush victory, then I'll have a BUSCH
ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
PALISADE, COLORADO, USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 19:51:09 (ZULU)
(your host address: 216.169.77.239)
The .300 Winch wasn't mentioned because I was talking about hunting
rounds. I should have been more clear. I consider the .300 an accuracy
round. While it works well for elk I have other choices.
MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT with belted magnums is the variences in belt
thickness from manufacturer to manufacturer. Size your brass on the shoulders
datum line and you'll be OK. Other than that you get short case life.
The other problem is short barrel life. Many shoot out in 1200-1500 rounds where peak accuracy is concerned. That and being a whimp I don't like the recoil.
My 6.5 X .284 does what the .300 does with 190's and with the recoil of the .308. Case and barrel life is undertermined at this point, but we expect several thousand rounds
Flyshooter, on your .308 ADL...if you rebarrel go to the heavier/thicker barrel lug from Badger Ordinance. I also recomment a match tube and new stock. The barrel taper on the ADs is not set up for accuracy, but may do until you can upgraded. You'll want to glass bed, too.
Kind Regards,
Wes
Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 21:12:50 (ZULU) (your
host address: 198.145.249.11)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64817-2000Nov11.html
CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 21:21:44 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.58)
On setting back the orignal 700 barrel... if you're going to spend the money for the labor, go ahead and replace the barrel with something fine... otherwise most of that labor is lost... these original Rem barrels are $18 to $35 dollar barrels. The difference in grouping will not be worth it, and there may be no difference AT ALL!!
Get something good, and knock your socks off!!
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 22:40:18 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.191.22.56)
Alan: I was just looking at the 7.5 Swiss because by all logic, it
should be a winner. By my calibrated eyeball, it appears to have approximately
the same or more case capacity than the 30-06, but in a more theoretically
accurate and efficient package. I wouldn't use it in something that had
an unsupported ramp, but I was kind of thinking on a Rem 700. Yes, it's
a true .308 diameter, according to my source. I'm thinking it was downloaded
to use in that rifle, but in a more modern design it ought to be a real
keeper. But Redding doesn't make BR dies for it, so it's really just a
mental exercise at this point.
Bravo - Patriots
USA <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
LET IT BEGIN HERE!, USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 22:50:36 (ZULU)
(your host address: 209.180.85.163)
Isn't an "accurate" round placed correctly the key to a sucessfull harvest of game? I do agree on the .375 H&H, make mine a Safari Grade Belgian Browning please. :-)
I believe the .300RUM is capable of just a wee bit more than 100 fps gain over a .300 Win. Mag. I am currently working on a CONSISTANT 190 GR @ 3200 fps load, within pressure specs, and believe that in a quality aftermarket barrel with slightly tighter chamber and leade, magical things may begin to happen. Time will tell.
Throat erosion is the price you pay for the dividends of flatter
trajectory and F-A-S-T-E-R & larger payload. Last year it was whining
about Varget being "potentially" erosive on the leade, this year its pooh-pooh
the Belted Mags.
Dope It, Dial IT, DUMP IT!
Chao!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 23:09:49 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.197.76)
McGrath
John McGrath <jkmcgrath@home.com>
Springfield, Missouri (First to ever elect a dead man. Wasted our most
sacred gift. Votes!!!!!!), USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 23:19:30
(ZULU) (your host address: 24.4.255.84)
Evidently my wallet is slimmer (than others) and I have better ways to spend my limited budget than drop a barrel that already does a FINE and I mean F I N E job. I just wanted to know the feasibility & cost to have the barrel set back/whateverthehell ya call it so the freebore isn't so bloody long. So I can load 5 rounds at one time and rapid fire. Is that asking so much ??
Think I'll just advance to the rear and let the big spenders explain while I mutter and plot devious deeds.
OUT friggin HERE !!
Will <willadams@mindspring.com>
USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 23:42:51 (ZULU) (your host address:
199.174.147.176)
Evidently my wallet is slimmer (than others) and I have better ways to spend my limited budget than drop a barrel that already does a FINE and I mean F I N E job. I just wanted to know the feasibility & cost to have the barrel set back/whateverthehell ya call it so the freebore isn't so bloody long. So I can load 5 rounds at one time and rapid fire. Is that asking so much ??
Think I'll just advance to the rear and let the big spenders explain while I mutter and plot devious deeds.
OUT friggin HERE !!
Will <willadams@mindspring.com>
USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 23:46:03 (ZULU) (your host address:
199.174.147.176)
Later,
Will
Will <willadams@mindspring.com>
USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 23:51:37 (ZULU) (your host address:
199.174.147.176)
I use a Mk4 M3 scope but use 175 SMK handloaded to about 2500 FPS. Since my cam is for the 168 SMK I knew it would not be the same.
What I did to resolve the problem is figured out the load I would use and chronographed it. Then put that data into a ballistic program. I used 1 minute clicks for the scope data in the program. I took this data to my scope and started counting clicks up from a 100 Yard zero.
This is what I came up with:
100 1
200 2
300 3
400 4
500 5
600 -1 clicks from 6
700 -2 clicks from 7
800 -3 clicks from 8
900 -4 clicks from 9
1000 -5 clicks from 10
This data was written on small slip of paper and taped into my scope cover so it is visible when open.
I have shot my rifle with this data to 1000 Yards on a KD range and it works well. Though the scope does not allow for precise hit it will hit a man sized target to 1000 yards.
I took me a while to figure this out so I wanted to share it to save someone else the trouble.
Using this type of logic any cam would work for any load just the difference would need to be recorded. Better yet would be to stamp a blank cam with your pet load data.
Keep Shooting, Allan
Allan <Falshooter42@yahoo.com>
Ut, USA - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 23:55:01 (ZULU) (your host address:
166.130.4.100)
I also got a line on some Portugues .308 match at the SHOT show but
again could not get a response from the 1-only in USA source.
Ned <michigun@hotmail.com>
3R, MI, USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 00:26:46 (ZULU) (your host
address: 207.89.136.19)
I have several AR's, one of which is a heavy barrel Colt CAR, with 1 in 9 twist. Unlike any of my other AR's, this CAR will not shoot heavy (68 gr Hornady/69 gr Sierra) bullets into 3" at 100 yards. The amazing thing is that it will shoot 52 grain Hornady HPBT just fine; about 3/4" at 100 yds. (Like all of my other rifles, the CAR has a good trigger, and a free floating handguard).
When I first encountered this problem, I not only tried my favoride handloads (H-335, WW-748, Varget, 2230), but I fired factory ammo too, including Federal and Black Hills Match, and Hornady.
Results were the same: Lousy accuracy with the heavier bullet. Note that the bullets are not hitting the flash hider, either.
Any comments out there? Most of the responses I've received to date revolve around replacing the barrel.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
Mike D <mdodson@navi.net>
Lake Oswego, OR, USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:01:39 (ZULU)
(your host address: 209.222.143.37)
Well, yes and no. lookie. the money, like $150-$175, is total labor that is lost on a $18 (cromoly) to $35 (if stainless) barrel. When you set it back, you still hae a cheap POS of a barrel, but with a good (maybe) chamber. Better that even money, it won't shoot ant better... What the hell kinda dumb stuff is that?? ;((
Send your barreled action to a good outfit, like Douglas, or one of the many good guyz, and have them do it for you. They do it better, faster, and you wind up with a good shootin piece... you can even specify what throat you want... and they will match the contour.
Now, as to the money... will they do it for the same money as it would cost to have the old one set back... no... but it won't be too much more, and you will have a really good barrel, and it will clean up slickie quick! ;))
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:32:20 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.249.180.74)
Pete, the 300 Ultra Mag is about 100fps over the 300 Win. I can get 3100 out of my 300 win with 190's and 2850 with 220's with ease. I like the Dope it Dial It Dump it. Now where have I heard that?
Bored with the election crap and can not beleave it has been allowed to go on so long. Bush is President! I wont except any other! This crap that if all the guys that voted for Nader had voted for Gore, Gore would be President. Well if all the guys that voted for Gore had voted for Nader, Nader would be President. Bottom line is Bush won lets get on with it.
Undude
MikeMiller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:34:25 (ZULU) (your host
address: 152.163.213.191)
You don't know what you've missed by not living anywhere else. I
grew up in Taxachusetts where the Kennedys hold Court. Man, them was fun
years! Florida just has a more, er, "diverse" group of morons living here.
:-))
Andre -
You gotta admit, things have changed here a bit, huh? HA! LOL!
A Shooting Question!!!!
I am using Federal 168 gr GMM to break in and sight in my Rem 700 PSS. I was under the assumption that .308 and 7.62 are equivalent rounds. I know that .223 and 5.56 are not exactly equals - I use only 5.56 in my Colt. How much difference is there between the .308 and the 7.62 cartridges? Would I notice any benefits to using one over the other? And who manufactures 7.62? Maybe I just wasn't paying attention, but I don't recall seeing any 7.62 at the gun shop.
Moe
Moe Mensale <mjmensale@aol.com>
JESSSSEEEE!!!!!!! JESSSSEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!, FL, USA - Monday, November
13, 2000 at 02:38:51 (ZULU) (your host address: 205.188.198.168)
Just got done cleaning my custom .35 Whelan Improved. Put it away and arranged the safe a bit. The rifles most accessible are now my M40A1 clone, the Chandler Sniper 6.5 X .284, and my .308 Rem Varmint Special. Guess you know what I'll be playing with this winter.
Have had several posts about my comments on magnums. I'll stand by them. On the other hand you guys that are using them or testing new calibers please share. That's how we learn from each other.
My winter project is stocking my custom 1909 Argentine small ring Mauser in .284 Winchester. It's gonna be a beaut! When completed I'll try to take some .jpg's and post them to you.
Looks like it's gonna be coyote's and crows from here on out. Anything to keep primed. You guys got an good recipes for them...?
If any of you are going to be in the western central oregon area give me a call 541-453-4054 (home) or 541-715-5915 at work. Will be happy to set up a get together and spend time.
Semper Fi,
Wes
Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:49:40 (ZULU) (your
host address: 198.145.248.72)
CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:17:38 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.14)
Wrote to Moses at the NRA today.
Wrote to my two senators expressing my outrage as to how my states electoral votes were stolen in one city and asked for a recount of that county.
Recommend to you:
www.snipercountry.com/IRSniper.html
(Infra Red Detection and the Sniper)
www.geocities.com/pentagon/Quarters/2116/camie.htm
(Camie stick alone is not enough)
The election is in the process of being stolen going before a Democratic judge in the AM for U guys not following the flow.
Gentlemen the shit has hit the fan. Are we going to have represenative/national goverment or Communist/socialist/united nations/world goverment.
I personally swore an oath to defend the United States of America
against enemies foreign and DOMESTIC some thirty years ago.
I've kept up my skills. I put on my cold zero today.
The warriors of America have an obligation to stabilize this society for your children and my children
LORD LET THIS PASS ME
But in the words of the founders
DON'T TREAD ON ME
SGT. SCHULTZ <bravo762@yahoo.com>
USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:53:51 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.4.252.4)
I don't really appreciate his sense of humor. But this doesn't surprise
me, as it was Perecles that said "if you speak logic to a fool, he looks
upon you as an idiot".
Bravo - PatriotsUSA
<Bravo762@yahoo.com>
I hate it when folks don't have the backbone to sign someone other
than MY name!, USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 04:23:41 (ZULU) (your
host address: 209.180.85.195)
Now he's looking for a rifle and wants a .50 bmg. His budget is about
$4,000. Any suggestions? His main use for it would be putting holes in
oil drums at long range.
pete robertson <abelaird_knight@yahoo.com>
colorado springs, Colorado, USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 05:00:10
(ZULU) (your host address: 63.227.178.120)
Bravo; would that be your twin brother duffy? Perhaps he is in a parallel universe? He seems to have the same problems we do here?
On those 300's don't waste too much time trying to make the .300 Win mag a 300 weatherby .. you'll be disappointed with the accuracy anyway. The variation in cases do make a difference. That's why I always advocate fire forming them and reloading with optimum case length. The Ultra Mag should eliminate the problem. Many people think that the belted case is superior, I just don't belong in the same bar with them. I know this stuff is fun but don't get too far into the bizzare if you want a practical rifle. The Wildcat bugs will eat you up if you get too far out. Ammo and case problems will eventually make you wish you'd stayed with the standards but don't let me spoil your fun ...
Rich; the 20" may be better for accuracy and speed. I believe it's a magic number for AR's. Carbines are cute and have their place but my experience is that the 20" out perform enough that it's worth it if you want accuracy and range. Something about the harmonics at 20" I dunno for sure?
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 05:44:47 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
check this rifle out !
http://www.amp-ts.com/DSR%20No%201.htm
looks like I have a new toy on my wish list for christmas.
t
click here for a look
at the AMP <7.62@lasercon.de>
germany - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 09:31:42 (ZULU) (your host address:
193.159.89.156)
I think I've counted the ballots correctly and the outcome seems to be in favor of the .308 & 175 BTHP & 1:10 twist. I'm about to have one of my rigs rebarreled so stop me if I'm wrong here.
I took Andy to see "Charlies Angels" last night. It was a good thing.
Kevin R. Mussack <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 10:00:08
(ZULU) (your host address: 205.188.198.31)
FWIW:
Dope It - Dial It - Dump It is to the best of my memory a Un-Dude
original from last years Roster Wars about something that ended up being
inane, benign, oh WHATEVER.
Ofta nurse a deviated septum garnered finding out what a twenty year youth advantage over Geezerdom gains in the ring..........
Cha-Ouch!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 11:44:14 (ZULU)
(your host address: 205.188.193.52)
Thanks on the .308/7.62 query. It appears to be a case of semantics, huh? If we're just talking about different loadings, I'm not concerned. I don't handload, yet! In my Colt AR15, I use the Win Q3131A or IMI M193 only. These are apparently loaded hotter than some of the local stuff and more importantly my gun likes them. My POI with either is nearly identical which saves me from having to brain fart with a re-zero if I switch. I initially tried a bunch of different brands and the POI were all over the place. Real BS!
Moe
Moe Mensale <mjmensale@aol.com>
Recount Central, FL, USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 11:59:58 (ZULU)
(your host address: 205.188.198.181)
SSG Adam G. Scott and all military: Thanks for your service to our country. Your work is respected and apreciated.
CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 12:48:49 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.86)
CDC....Thank you for the remark in serving. I have 8 in and just
re-enlisted for 6 more. Running a range tommorow in Martinsburg, West VA.
Damn I love shooting free ammo.....
SSG Adam G. Scott <ADAMGSCOTT@msn.com>
Severn, Md, USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 14:16:36 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.240.184.58)
CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 14:23:12 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.53)
Is that "THE" famous "Sgt. Schultz", the bumbling asshole idiot from
the TV series???
Find your balls and backbone, and stand up like a man with your
own e-mail address, not a whimpering, skulking, faggot, that steals someone
elses... the e-mail address "
Pete Robertson...
For a 50 BMG, look at the AR-50. After a year of looking around, this puppy R-U-L-E-S... the gun, good (MK4 or B&L Tac) scope, and the little crap, will leave you with enough change from his $4k, that he can take you to "Wendy's" for a Bacon Cheeseburger.
I just ordered two of them (one for a friend)... go here.
http://www.armalite.com/
... and poke around.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 14:27:33 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.249.180.76)
On setting back a factory bbl. The major cost of a match bbl is the labor so if you want a match set up get a new bbl and have it installed. If you go with a recut original keep in mind the following You Can Not Polish A Turd!
Wes, I agree the 300'as are accuracy rounds. If I was hunting something too big for a 30-06 I would step up to atleast a 338 Win. Big holes make more damage.
CDC and others on the 16 versus 20 AR's. I agree the 20" will shoot better at distance than the 16", but for me I prefer the 16 for carry, entry ands as a second weapon to my sniper weapon. If I used the AR for primary in a typical North America enviornment the 20 would win hands down, but with a sniper rifle on my back I want a 16 light bbl in my hands. Kind of a very longrange pistol.
Pablito, an AR50. Dude that thing will shoot very well but you need a Dolly to carry it, 42lbs without a scope or ammo. The Barrett 99 is 23lbs and shoots under one moa. also. Once you strat messing with 50's your bank balance will go to hell.LOL
Undude
MikeMiller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 14:41:12 (ZULU) (your host
address: 148.165.83.143)