Monday, September 1, 2003, at 03:36:15 (ZULU)
Congrats to you and your Child Bride. Many happy returns!
Hey! Let's start the argument about how to spell chiles again!
The local market got a bunch of Hatch NM green in a couple of weeks ago, and I've been having some great chow! These are about the best green chiles that can pass over a man's tongue.
I just got finished roasting and peeling several pounds for the freezer, and my hands are on fire! Other than wearing gloves (too late now!) do you have any homegrown recipes for relief?
Regards
Mike
BMG Mike
Monday, September 1, 2003, at 03:36:15 (ZULU)
Try rinsing your hands with cold beer (Dos Equis is the best). Then drink eight or twelve.
You'll feel better.
Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 04:40:37 (ZULU)
Well, during one particular day of checking "lots of HOT peppers" he would... as all men do, relieve himself (using his "pepper" tainted hands). That night he was romantically inclined and....well, lets just say....he really set his wife on FIRE.
So, for you chile pickers, watch them contaminated "peckers." The wimmen folk may REALLY hate you in the morning ;))))
Mk4
Texas, God Bless America, United States of America - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 04:57:08 (ZULU)
Just got a nice deal on a 338 Lapua in a Sako TRG-S unfired. Any help on load recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Shooting a 7.5 pound unbraked 338 is pure joy for those with masochistic tendencies......................
Mike in Texas
Granbury, Texas, - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 06:01:05 (ZULU)
Don Rutledge
Hemet, CA, U.S.A - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 08:34:44 (ZULU)
Email in bound w/ attachments. Clean as the gov't can make them. I refrained from sending one photo; gratuitous gore. It was a 900m .50 cal head shot. The "after" picture ruins your appetite. Like John Wayne said in True Grit, "Too much gun..."
I'm going to the range tomorrow. That's the plan as long as nothing else comes up. Can't wait to try the 150-250 exposure! I'm gonna make that damn shot. lus, I get to play NCO again, if only for an hour or two as a lane safety/ coach on the firing line. Ha! That was the price of admission--the unit needed some range qualified help, and they give ya bullets as an incentive! Shit, I'd pay them for the chance to train troops!!!
Thought for the day (Eisenhower):
"Take your duty seriously; but never yourself"
Joe M.
Joe Mahon
Monday, September 1, 2003, at 09:08:17 (ZULU)
The BTU scale on habaneras is quite impressive but still short of the the little buckshot chile pequine(sp)that grows wild down in South Texas. Ever been to a dentist to get a tooth filled and get a shot of "deadener?" Its about the same.
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On a serious note and this is for you Medics as well. If you do have an encounter with... say a kid that has bitten off a HOT pepper and is suffering, get a raw potato, cut it into a scalloped 1/4 - 3/8 slice and make him suck on it. It'll take the heat out almost immediately.
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Joe,
Me too. Send the pics. All of them ;)))
Mk4
Texas, God Bless America, United States of America - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 15:48:03 (ZULU)
Don Rutledge
Hemet, CA, U.S.A - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 16:01:14 (ZULU)
Well I went out for Desert Marksman's 1000 yd practice day Sunday and that's what it turned out to be. The individual who normally runs it had to work and those that showed didn't have a big interest in shooting paper so it was only metal clanging. 20" and 36" diameter plates at about 1060 yd. Still hadn't had a chance to chrono the 44 gr Varget load so just dialed the -06 dial on the M3 to 1000 and fired for affect. This range has to be the hardest to read. Elevation is about 4320, shooting up a valley from a small outlook with at least three different side valleys cutting into this one from the side and the backstop is the end of a canyon so the winds tend to swirl. By the time I got dialed in I was at 34 MOA with 2 MOA right on last contact with 20" steel. Well everyone else decided to call it quits by 1200 hrs so I headed for the benches to chrono the load.
Temperature stabilized at 91 degrees in the shade so I was glad I brought my MULE. I only had 22 rounds through the tube so decided to chrono with fouled bore. Loads were once fired Federal match prep'd cases (normal uniform primer pocket, debur flash hole, necks turned to .014", FL sized with Redding .355" neck bushing, weighted 170 + or - gr), Sierra 175 MK seated to 2.200" (Stoney Point - .004" off lands), Federal GM210M primer, and 44 gr Varget (Pact Digital Dispensor and Digital Scale used to trickle last couple tenths of powder). Speaking of the powder it was a mix of 3 different lots (1999, 2001 & 2003) of which I had 6 - 1 lb canisters. I didn't what to worry about velocity differences and having to check each lot before starting to use it. Checked with Hodgdon and they indicated no problem. I asked about how to break down the lot number so I would be able to tell on future purchases and was told the first number is the package size, next 6 numbers are the canning date and the rest is the lot number. Now the lots I had were, 1 0117003670, 1 0219963114, & 1 1105013881 so can you tell me what sort of calendar they are using cause I sure can't figure it out. Also, BP was at 29.55 with winds running 0 - 8 MPH. Almost forgot, chrono was Pact Professional set 15' from muzzle of my SCLE so without any further delay:
HIGH: 2723.9 FPS
LOW: 2708.2 FPS
SD: 4.6
CV: 0.17%
MAD: 3.5
CV: 0.13%
AV: 2713.7 FPS
ES: 15.7 FPS
For comparison here is what Federal Match 175's chrono's at on the 17th at elevation of about 700' or so at 88 degrees unk BP:
HIGH: 2769.1 FPS
LOW: 2719.2 FPS
SD: 15.1
CV: 0.55%
MAD: 12.1
CV: 0.44%
AV: 2748.1 FPS
ES: 49.9 FPS
I think I did good in the reloading department ;-) Trouble is I over shot the 2685 FPS I was aiming for or was the temp and elev that stepped up the velocity? Question: Does altitude affect the chrono results since you're only dealing with 15' from muzzle to screens? Well, after 3 days at the range today will be celebrated with pondering results and cleaning gear.
Later,
P.S. - Saturday had a bench rest shooter look at my groups from incremental loads (43 to 44 gr) and he thought I might go another couple of tenths higher since groups were improving and pressure didn't seem an issue yet. Damn decisions, chase must accurate load or match dial? Guess it'll be a good day to ponder things.
Byron
CA, USA - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 16:28:07 (ZULU)
Hit me with an email with your shipping address. I'll put a package together for you.
Stay safe.
Nick
Nick Anzano
Milton, NJ, USA - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 16:46:48 (ZULU)
Quick question, might be important. Does anyone know anything about a company, possibly optics related "Ges. Gosh"?
If it means anything to you e-mail me at the office:
Thomas.Burris@usss.dhs.gov
Thanks
Steve
Steve Burris
NOVA, NOVA, USA - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 16:59:37 (ZULU)
Most anywhere along the side of a dirt road in South Texas ;))) Seriously, they grow wild down there. If they've ever been for sale anywhere (as in a market), I'm not aware of it.
Another thing, if you've ever hunted quail or turkey down in that neck of the brush and find out that they've been feeding on those little "blazing" buckshot...their meat isn't fit to eat :P)
Mk4
Texas, God Bless America, United States of America - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 17:18:31 (ZULU)
... okay. I'll leave it alone.
Had a buddy that tried an experiment on his wife with pop rocks. Had her hoppin' around quite a bit ... crazy fucker.
brian k. sain
Monday, September 1, 2003, at 18:31:55 (ZULU)
Mike in Texas: You're shooting a 7.5 pound unbraked .338 Lapua? You must be nuts or you're just trying to prove to us how tough you Tejans' is....
My advice...get it to George and have him give it his treatment. Less pain, more accuracy.
My original .338 weighed 11 pounds, unbraked. Five rounds convinced me it was not for me in that configuration. George reworked it, added a muzzle brake, and has it for sale. Believe $1,200.00. Nice rifle...go for it. Single shot TRG-S configuration.
Retumbo is working well with with 300 grain Sierra MK's. I'm using H4831SC with 250 grain Lapua Scenars.
Hope this helps...back to packing for the move.
Semper Fi,
Sir Wes
Wes Howe
Blodgett, OR, USA - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 18:39:04 (ZULU)
Don Rutledge
Hemet, CA, U.S.A - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 19:27:59 (ZULU)
Yep, I believe thats the one.
BKS,
>>>>Had a buddy that tried an experiment on his wife with pop rocks. Had her hoppin' around quite a bit ...<<<<<
Uhh....never mind ;)))
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Anybody here shooting a Win 70 HBV w/ a 26" barrel? I'm curious as to what's your load of Varget that's getting closest to 2680 fps. I'm using IMI brass, 175 SMK, Fed 210M. I'm trying to match my 30-06 BDC cam on my Mk4 M3.
I'll be chronographing my loads but in the mean time am looking for input.
Mk4
Texas, God Bless America, United States of America - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 19:53:29 (ZULU)
the best I can remember about those "Little round orange red peppers" was I don't want too have them again !!! my Dad loved them !! >>> Don
Don Rutledge
Hemet, CA, U.S.A - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 22:05:22 (ZULU)
Had to look up the numbers, but, I got one. 45.1 grains gets me 2715 avg. with Lapua brass and 210M with 175 SMKs'. I even tried IMI match brass with all the same ingredients at one time and I'm sure I chrono'ed the loads. Want me to look 'em up give me a shout.
John
Acehigh
B'ton, IN, USA - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 22:28:55 (ZULU)
Just returned from Wally World, $223.87 spent, $76.13 left in the account, and much more pledged.
Child Bride (my shipping and receiving department!) has been joyously packing the goodies into three cartons. She is absolutely thrilled with this.
Duct Tape (black, no OD avaailable), electrical tape, cameras, batteries, swabs, chapsticks, sunscreen, Ziplocs, Sharpies, baby wipes, Slim Jims, jerky (unfortunately not the gourmet stuff!), bug dope and the "Craft Aisle" equivalent of pipe cleaners. Let me know if they work, Joe.
Two full aisles of fishing lures, but not a single .22 cleaning patch.......can somebody else take that one to save me a drive to Albuquerque?
Same with empty plastic squeeze bottles for CLP.
Talked with Asst. Mgr., he's putting me in touch with their Community Relations lady, see if we can get them involved.
Off to the Rez tommorrow for more chaw.
Thanks to all who are getting into this. No Senators or Representatives, yet, though (I know you are all shocked and surprised.)
You guys (and gals) are the best.
Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Monday, September 1, 2003, at 22:32:49 (ZULU)
I'll also get a donation of several 2oz. plastic bottles, although they are not the kind with an applicator tip, just a twist off lid.
I showed Joe's list to the guys at work, maybe I can get something comming in from them also.
later, Tony
Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, USA - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 00:39:22 (ZULU)
I've been sending care packages to my son's unit (as well as to my son). The Capt of the unit e-mail back a list... perhaps it's similar to yours. Sports equip (basketball, football, soccer, pumps & needles of course) calf length socks, Kool-Aid, hard candy, ANY NEWSPAPERS (apparently they get little to zero news). Pillows (difficult to ship), disposable cameras, little flashlights (mag lights only now --- I bought some Brinkmann brand the first time, they're very close to garbage). Magazines, puzzles, chess sets (I also printed out a couple extra boards and laminated them, figured they could scrounge up something for checkers). AAA, AA and D cell batteries... I've also had requests for caribiners, camp showers, camp fans, M16 cleaning kits (complete kits!...I sent five (5)).
Things that my son has broken or worn out and I've shipped replacements: (I called one vendor of a broken item and was told it's take 6 weeks to get a warranty repair on the broken item! I mentioned that the broken item was in Iraq and it did little to help the situation.) Gerber Legend multitool, Emerson CQC-7, CamelBack 100oz bladder (I sent one complete unit, Desert 3 color camo and one extra bladder along with a full cleaning kit and tablets).
I've been told that they (many) are hand washing their clothes a little carelessly and wearing things out... I've send many sets of boxer briefs, brown t-shirts, brown wash cloths and towels (most of this is from the local Army PX)... I've also sent out some foot pads,those sponge foam types that are sold at the PX. Several sewing kits, lots of 550 cord, various sized ZipLok bags (Nearly everything I ship is in a ZipLok bag), figure they can't have too many of those. I've also been lucky enough to find the GIANT ZipLok bags...big enough to enclose most of the items in a duffle bag..
Recently sent two (2) sets of DCU Large Regular pants...no replacements on uniforms yet and they're wearing thin some places.
I got a bunch of plastic bottles from Sinclair International when I ordered cleaning patches for the troops, sent those a while back. Also sent graphite & MilTec but was told the CLP is preferred just be careful to wipe it off afterward (excess). Another recent request was for a knife sharpening setup...some troops can't sharpen knives too well.
I just today picked up a 2.5 gallon sprayer from Home Depot, the type used for spraying insecticide and such ($18.00)... I'll send it over for use as a shower unit...I'll bet someone will be happy to take a 2.5 gallon shower.
Also packed up some Carnation instant milk and boxes of UHT milk...threw some Honey Nut Cheerios in as a breakfast treat. Stuck a few of those Instant Cold packs in a box too, (Ammonium Nitrate & Water)...someone will get a cold drink of milk maybe!
(Only one shop offered a discount when I mentioned where the stuff was going...Galyans. I didn't ask Sinclair Int...but assume they'd have been happy to help.)
Dave "Doc" King
USA - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 00:56:52 (ZULU)
Sorry, but I do not think you will be able to get enough Varget into the IMI case for 2685+......in the factory chamber.
IF you do , it will probably be over pressure.
42 pretty much fills it up.....and that will only get you to around 2600.....
Lindy, is shooting an HBV...maybe he can give you some advice on the Varget.
Prob have to go to Win/Lapua brass to get there........
Two Shoes
PS: I have some data for PSS's, with N140, and a couple of others that will / maybe be of some help.
Hit me offline, if interested.
Terry
Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 01:39:42 (ZULU)
That TRG-S will kick the snot out of you! It is not pleasant to shoot. No. Really. It friggin' hurts to shoot it. A fella could develop a case of flinch-itis if he weren't careful.
I've been shooting for over 45 years, and the TRG-S in .338 LM is the only rifle that has ever cut me. Best have Loooong eye relief before you touch one off! I'm gonna put a brake on it one of these days. Meanwhile, it doesn't get much use. I'm too damn old for that kind of abuse.
Mike
BMG Mike
Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 02:02:55 (ZULU)
Email (clean) headed your way. Thanks!
Turns out I got to go into ABQ tomorrow anyway, dammit, eye doctor appointment (GOT to keep them puppies workin'!!!!)
I'll stop by the sporting goods place on the way back and check on squeeze bottles and 550 cord.
Got a call into the best columnist I have ever read, Jim Belshaw, writes for the ABQ Journal, does a lot of human interest stories. Hoping to have him drum up some interest and support, as long as he can keep everyone anonymous and respect opsec. Keep your fingers crossed.
Way to go, Doc!
Need feedback on items tailored to the needs of ladies.
Hit me off-roster, Joe or anyone with specific knowledge. Child Bride can take care of that while I'm loading up with jerky!
I just get prouder of you folks by the day.
Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 02:03:27 (ZULU)
He should have alot more relevant info on that load when he gets back, cause I think that's the load he took with him.
Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, USA - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 02:19:49 (ZULU)
I hope your troops appreciate what you guys are doing for them.
By the way that some basic supplies are running low in iraq it seems that every countrys' army must train its logistics people at the same school.
Darryl
Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 03:03:39 (ZULU)
I remember you eating a scope from one of these. My optic has alittle over 4 inches relief @ 16x and that's what's saved my bacon thus far.
Ran another 20 thru it this afternoon and from a sling it is a joy to shoot. Bipod is another story........did 3 rounds that way and was kinda sure I broke a clavical. I'd kinda like to find another if the price was right :)
Wes,
Thanks, it does take alot of homework out.
There is this sound in my head at the moment like ball bearings rolling about in a tin can...........................
Mike in Texas
Granbury, Texas, - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 03:18:33 (ZULU)
Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, USA - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 03:25:19 (ZULU)
Did they put something in the water down yore way???......LOL
Two Shoes
Terry
Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 05:00:20 (ZULU)
Ken M
IL, USA - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 06:31:35 (ZULU)
If your brother in law is near Stuttgart and wants to join a club send me an email for contact info.
Marc
Marc Palmer
Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 08:49:52 (ZULU)
Okay this is the first time I've posted here, so please except my apologies if I'm either asking in the wrong place or if the question has been asked before.
I'm a UK based Deer stalker / manager and deal with deer upto 30st in weight, these stags must be killed with "one shot, one kill" everytime or that's the theory anyway, I guess anyone who has shot for any length of time will know that :)
My question to you lot is about binoculars, having just returned a set of Swarovski 8x56's due to "fogged" prisms, I'm in the market for a new set of binoculars for low light use and identification of deer species/sex out to 300 yds at dawn/dusk.
I guess they would be second hand as I've only got a budget of $500 but alas not enough time to go and try all the binoculars that are on sale, so has anyone got a good recommendations from previous experience or current ownership?
TIA
John
John
Wales UK - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 09:25:36 (ZULU)
I'm still working on my book and looking for stories...
Having spent a good part of the past few months in and out of the hospital I was fortunate in finding the poster child for "Men are from Mars, Women are fron hell". Very pretty blond, blues eyes, rich girl, recent graduate from German medical school, Just about as arrogant as they get!
John in Wales,
I tried lots of binos here in Germany with similiar requirements. The problem is cost to quality. For many years I used the Zeiss Jena military 7 X 40s with good luck but they lacked in light transmission. I know they are at least double the price you mentioned but I am using the Zeiss 8 X 56 classic now and am very pleased.
Check this out http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3624578041&category=31711
By the way, you can extend the usable light by 10 minutes or so by increasing the diopter settings as the light drops. I mark the eye pieces with two dots of white paint on each to show the normal adjustment and the second increased diopter adjustment. The white paint enables me to see the adjustments in low light. In the mornings I start out with the increased settings and as the light improves I readjust.
Marc
Marc Palmer
Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 11:50:00 (ZULU)
Bolt
Here's to swimmin with bowlegged women!, NC, - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 11:57:09 (ZULU)
Tony
Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, USA - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 12:25:16 (ZULU)
Swarovski service is usually very good so you'll probably have them back soon. But if you want another pair your best bet this side of the pond are the "avian" binoculars from Ace Optics in Bath.
http://www.acecameras.co.uk/avian_binoculars.htm
These are VERY good phase coated waterproof roof prisms for the price. For your needs, the 7x42 is probably best.
Mark D
Mark D
London, UK - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 12:27:01 (ZULU)
Don Rutledge
Hemet, CA, U.S.A - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 13:40:08 (ZULU)
happy birthday mang!!
Acehigh and Bearman,
Sorry the match took so long Sunday. Wish you guys could have stuck around for the 2nd, but the drive must have been rough. BTW bearman,, you sore yet?
Chris...
Chris
Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 13:40:30 (ZULU)
Mengele University - Ja, und ve haf some special showas for you ...
brian k. sain
Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 15:22:13 (ZULU)
Jumpin Jehosophat! Get me a ticket to Iraq Brucey! My "junior executive" and I will handle that one for ya !
... Hell, I knew a girl named "Sandy" once ...
Just kidding ... good thing ya'll are doing.
brian k. sain
Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 15:29:08 (ZULU)
It appears that an enormous amount of the public monies directed at domestic preparedness are going toward the backfill of salaries...it's the only way they can actually use the money and show absolutely zero improvement in capability.... if you spend it on equipment or training, the folks willing to go the extra mile for free would have the equipment they need to deal with the problem... by paying folks salaries and giving them minimal equipment, we can drive off the volunteer types and maintain a "professional" staff with lower motivation, zero training and lousy equipment.
I had a very similar problem manifest during 9/11... my team's leadership suddenly had political concerns which didn't mix well with the job at hand....several of us simply ignored the politics and did the job...thus ended my relationship with the ultra elite federal disaster response system...
Bolt - Please do us all a favor and find a way to stay in the game, we really need dedicated, serious folks available should a real emergency arise.... the guys collecting overtime are WWWAAAAYYYY too busy arguing with each other who is in charge and who gets what really fancy sounding title <g>.
medicjim
Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 16:18:31 (ZULU)
Just returned from Raton/Whittington Center after a 9 day stay in the 'primitive camping area.'
Had the distinct - but WAY TOO short - pleasure of meeting Andy and Andy's Dad. Also met a gentleman by the name of Dan and re-met a man named 'Eric?.' Unfortunately - AND appologetically - I am the pits with names. 'Eric' immediately recalled my name and remembered our meeting from last year.
ALL were terrific people, but I was starting to pack for the return trip home and had very little time to visit. I was at Raton for the second of two approx. 9 day visits, the later (this visit)including the 'Founder Appreciation Days' from the Center.
Eric had just posted a 'clean' score with 35X (as I try to recall) and was being visited by a man who 'wanted to see who had shot so well as he had beaten Eric by ONE X'. It was the end of the Practice(?) match they had on Saturday & Sunday. Eric was shooting a 6.5 x .284 as was Kevin. Don't know what Andy was shooting.
I had shot some groups with SCLE #10 and with my Winnie Stealth. I have not had time to measure group size yet. I DID blow a primer with SCLE. It was supposed to be a 44.5 gr. loading of Varget. I seem to remember one charge being 45.8 gr. so that may have been the one. Other than that one round, it seemed to like the load. No cronograph...
Sharon
Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, US of A!! - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 17:06:05 (ZULU)
>Is kidnapping grandbabies by irrate grandparents legal? Stupid ass kids!<
Probably not, but it sure as hell should be.
Don
Don Smith
Huntsville, AL, USA - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 21:24:59 (ZULU)
Just got back from ABQ and the peepers are fine (for my age!)......stopped by the sporting goods store and cleaned 'em out of 550 cord and .223 patches...would NOT give me a discount, so I am open to other sources you guys may have!
Spent more than the account had left in it, but was confident that my P.O. Box would have more donations. Sure enough, 4 checks, totalling $230.00.
Donations to date: $530.00
Expenditures to date: $325.05
Amt. Remaining: $204.95
Another trip to the Smoke Shop!
Still no donations from members of Congress, however.......
Many Thanks to Markwell, Michael S., Mr. Price and Mr. Kaney.
Our hats are off to you. Child Bride is thrilled and honored to be in such company. As am I.
Sain:
I ain't buying you no damn plane ticket to Iraq. We are trying to stabilize that nation. Besides, your wife would be after me with a set of hedge clippers, and not to trim my beard. Unlike my two male dogs, I survived my previous wife with everything intact. I intend to keep it that way.
Bolt:
49?
Trade ya! Keep celebrating every one you have.....the alternative sucks pretty heavily! (Having the groundhogs deliver your mail)
Markwell:
Beautiful rifle, and a nice chuck......made me weepy!
Y'all Stay Safe!
Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 22:11:12 (ZULU)
You're OKAY with me Bruce.
Joe M: Any way to insure the REMFs don't get the goods ??????????
brian k. sain
Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 23:50:26 (ZULU)
Anyone else use the Mak-Cassegrain reflectors as spotting scopes? They are mainly used for astronomy and some land spotting. Both Meade and Celestron make nice ones, and Orion has a good one as well.
Mine is the Meade 90mm, and it is clear as a bell. Very little chromatic effects at the edges and the edge distortion is not noticable. One of the best things is the price - a really good scope for half of what a Kowa costs. Surfacing just one side of a piece of glass doesn't cost as much.
I use the supplied 25mm eyepiece and a 40mm eyepiece I got seperately. That translates to 48x and 30x. Only difficulty is the depth of field is a little less than a good refractor. OTOH, if you want to see .223 holes at 200 to 300 yards, ...
They are also a bit too delicate for heavy duty field use, and the 90mm mirror is clearly visible from the front, making sniper stalking a bit problematic.
Karl
(Even better is trying to watch a deer through a 10" scope. Clear, with the deer filling most of the field, but tracking was a bit of a problem. This is at about 1/2 mile on low power. On high you should be able to count the eyelashes.)
Karl
Damn Hot, Tx, USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 00:15:25 (ZULU)
O.K., since I can't get to the range before this weekend but I want to load some more test rounds this week can anyone verify my fuzzy logic?
I got 2713 fps with 44 gr Varget, Tony B. got 2740 fps with 44.5 gr Varget and the difference is 27 fps (not withstanding any component variance). So if I subtract 27 from my 2713 I end up with 2686 fps. That 27 fps was with .5 gr more of Varget so if I subtract that from my 44 gr load I get 43.5 gr of Varget for 2686 fps from an SCLE. Can anyone verify my findings?
Fair Game!
Deer season is around the corner and I am hearing rumors that the playing field is being leveled. You might what to check this out; http://www.worth1000.com/view.asp?entry=63455&display=photoshop
Later,
P.S. - Any thoughts about altitude affecting velocity readings with bullet only travelling 15' from muzzle to screens?
Byron
CA, USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 00:30:09 (ZULU)
Have shot about a truck load of whitetails with 100gr., .25cal. Nosler Ballistic tips, out of assorted 250-3000 rifles over the years {as well as with a few other calibers/ cartridges}, with great accuracy and spectacular results. There is really no reason to change bullets, but..Was wondering if the collective wisdom has any experience with Partitions in contrast to BTs..Crop damage time is fast approaching and thought I might do a bit of experimenting. Should get better penitration with the partitions but was wondering about wound channel/ internal damage of partitions as compared to BTs... BTs just pulp 'em inside and put them down faster than any other bullet I've ever used...Just thinkin' out loud; comments based on experience appreciated...
Bruce Robinson....Only one shot this PM at a chuck..Shot under it with a .223 and he must have jumped 4 feet straight up in the air; came down diggin' for all he was worth and scuttled safely home at about 40MPH...laughed my ass off and went home to dinner..
outa here
Markwell
The Alleghenies, WV, - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 02:34:29 (ZULU)
It has been asked for, and here it is. BadLands Tactical Training Facility will be conducting a Fall Long Range Precision (Sniper) Rifle Match, November 8-9,2003. Events will be Kims Game, Range Estimation and Unknown Distance Shooting 50-1000 yards. For more information email me or visit www.badlandstactical.net/fallmatch.htm
I Look forward to seeing alot of Rosterians at the match!
Bobby Whittington
Grandfield, Oklahoma, USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 03:21:11 (ZULU)
I'm Ok today! I want to thank you for a great time at the range, I will be back. Also, I want to thank Acehigh for giving me the opportunity to experience a 1K shoot - It was great...! :)
Also, the ride was First Class !!! Thanks Acehigh! - But, I hate rain in that car..... :) :) !!!
Thanks,
BearMan
BearMan
Indy, Indiana, U.S.A. - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 03:22:54 (ZULU)
Perusing the list, it appears all are doing well with our members.
Insain, is up to him old tricks. Leave it to him to major in "human relations"...;-)
Bad day in Oregon Corrections, today. We had an inmate, from my section, murdered in our activities area. He was put down (we think bludgeoned) and stabbed 38 times in the chest, head, and neck.
We believe it's drug/gang related. He was gang leader of our Sereno hispanic gangs and was packing drugs when killed. Looks like the White supremicists did it...more as the story unfolds.
Interestingly enough, many officers have been trying to get activities closed because of lack of inmate supervision, etc. This in Oregons maximum security facility?
Starting to like this job less and less...at least in the service we could shoot back.
Needless to say, I'm beat after a 16+ hour day.
Semper Fi,
Sir Wes
Wes Howe
Blodgett, OR, USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 03:23:38 (ZULU)
By the way anybody hear from Pete L. lately? I've been trying to get hold of him to no avail.
OK I had the chance to shoot my buddies Barrett 96 with some HSM AMAX loads. Now I shoot that thing with him a lot, using MilSpec ammo...no problemo. OK the HSM AMAX let loose with a mighty KA-BOOOM!!!!. I'm a lefty and never had a problem shooting the monster before. After one round I had a nice little bleed going from my gums. That was it, I stood up and walked back to my pip squeek 308. Never again will I shoot that ammo from that rifle. Call me a baby Whaaaaaa...mommy =)
Stay safe,
Joe S.
Joe S.
Dago, CA, US of A - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 03:25:59 (ZULU)
Brian raises a good question, which deserves a good answer........
Joe divies up and delivers these packages his own self, or by his staff, makes sure they go to the camps/units that need them, according to the individual needs. Only instance that I know of was Joe giving a few of his guys a bag of jerky for their (unsung) efforts, for which I applaud Joe! And Joe told me about that!
Trust me guys, REMF's will not siphon this stuff off. This effort on the part of all of you is just great.
Sain:
Glad you understand about my wanting to retain all my original equipment. They don't do much, functionally, but I think they're kind of decorative, I've had 'em a long time, and I need 'em to maintain my balance.
Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 04:20:28 (ZULU)
Does anyone have any exp. with .470 Capstick? I'm looking for a nice close-in big bore, but can't afford a double.
Also, does anyone know of anyone turning their own bullets for .308's? I'm looking for 250gr. flat noses for my .300/.221.
Robert Martin
FL, USofA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 04:55:06 (ZULU)
damn.
Mike in Texas
Granbury, Texas, - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 05:20:52 (ZULU)
Ha! Remfs are people too! At least this REMF...but yeah, I do go away from the main camps with the goodies (Arifjan and Doha). I routinely get into the outer camps, and larger base camps. In the bigger camps, the red cross chippies (anyone you might know?) pass the stuff out to the younger troopers. In the smaller camps and bases, I just go through the First Sergeants. It is hit or miss; totally random depending on who is moving through a camp or how far north I go in the heli's. For the troops, it is like winning the lottery though.
Supply (and all the world's armies using the same school):
Gents, the US army is embarking on a bold new plan. "They" (the damned pronouns that duck up a wet dream) have decided to put a Ranger with absolutely no supply experience in charge of an ASG (area support group) supply operation. We know this guy as "me." Well, not knowing that as a LOG Toadie I am supposed to sit around and croak "Nooooooooo" to everyone---I get shit done. In fact, I thought I'd get fired for the scope of the mission and my lack of any working knowledge of this shtuff--now I think the bastids will never let me go back. The complaints I hear now is "too much---I don't know what to do with all this (ice, water, fuel, etc). Fuckin' a. I rock--LOG toads suck. The secret is: logistics is easy--and now that the secret is out, I'm bitch slappin' the first loggie who tells me "can't." The job entails unclogging distro, movements, security within the AOR, and throughput to emergency resupply for odds and ends north. As I go, I am taking over a larger reach. I've cornered a few markets already by taking on customers beyond my boundaries--and I am looking at a major "problem" as my next coup. Can't say what, but it is echelons above and causes all the grief through the tip of the spear...let's just say it is an expanded GS role from a DS operation. Yeah, youz guys talk all the shit you want about supply weenies. I agree wholeheartedly. My job vs, my qualifications is a running joke here---but the punch line is that I am unscrewing the goats. And, it is too dang easy...just get the shit to the troops and quit your damned whining. Ha. Double ha.
Who wanted the wound characteristics photo? Email me and I'll send it back to ya...whoever asked.
Joe M
Joe Mahon
Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 08:12:40 (ZULU)
Mark, how do Avian optics compare to Zeiss ?
I'll keep an eye on the 8x56 Zeiss as well, thanks for the link Marc.
Just sorting the kit out for a stalk tonight, we are after Red stags and a Royal with an "X" that I placed on it last month :)
John
John
Wales UK - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 10:24:25 (ZULU)
You're quite welcome and a damn respectable shot to boot. Tell your wife we'll be back from Badlands in time for Turkey.
Mk4,
I didn't totally forget. Just about. IMI match brass no "prep" was gettin hot real early. Terry was right. 43.7 grs. was showing ejector marks and was below 2650. Sorry bout the lag time.
John
Acehigh
B'ton, IN, USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 10:41:32 (ZULU)
I have some items here at my shop that could be useful to you and your adopted troops.
The SC e-mail link system aborted or I'm private message you.
E-Mail intro (if you desire) and current wants list and I'll see what I can do to augment Bruce Robinson stuff (I may have items that Bruce can't get easily).
DKing@NavDosCen.Med.Navy.Mil
or
David_L_King@Yahoo.Com
v/r
Dave "Doc" King
HMC(SW) USN (ret)
Dave "Doc" King
USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 13:38:01 (ZULU)
My experience with Varget - 20# and six lot numbers since 1997 - has been ~20 fps per half grain YMMMV. I dunno 'bout these other hawgs, but I've noticed that the Varget I've shot seems to be "cold temperature sensitive" to the tune of 200fps from 50 to 85 degrees out of my Compass lake AR.... as in 77gr smk going from 2510 to 2725 with no other change except the weather. I have not done a crono on the .308 at different temps and I'm not shooting Varget anymore after my last experience with "a bad lot"....
Hey Mark, Did I ever get back to you on the Turkey arrow question? just noticed I sent it to my workaddy and dunno if I ever replied!
Steve ~ Hockeyref
Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 13:50:42 (ZULU)
John,
That's okay. Several range sessions have shown that 42.5 gr. of Varget in the IMI case is preferable in my HBV anyway. I did do a workup to 44.0 but the accuracy started falling apart after 42.5. I wanted to be able to track my Mk4 with a 2685 fps load but that ain't gonna happen. Just not sure if I'm gonna be able to stay supersonic @ 1K with that load. Will do some chronographing today with this load but not even sure if I'll be able to hold 2600 fps with it.
Along this line of thinking a friend reminded me that Master Rick prefers the lower velocity (2600 vs 2685) for his students. Seems to be more consistent with them.
Mk4
Texas, God Bless America, United States of America - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 13:55:38 (ZULU)
My experience in the Ballistic Tip vs Partition decision is driven by velocity. In high velocity rounds like the 7mm STW, driving a 140-150gr B-Tip at 3300+ fps will provide lightning like kills but with major tissue damage and a nice squishy sound from inside the carcass. We have moved to Partitions in these rounds as they can still provide complete penetration without the overwhelming meat loss and offer comparable accuracy. But in medium velocity rounds like the 308 Win the Ballistic Tips rule the day imo. I had a ~225 yard shot on a nice VA buck last fall with my GA Precision M40A1 and my 165gr B-Tip broke the front shoulder and still completely penetrated the far side. So I'd decide based on the velocity of my chosen round, and it sounds like the B-Tips work for you.
Major Mahon, several large boxes will be headed to you this p.m. from my team, thank you and enjoy. Thanks to Bruce Robinson and all who contributed to his efforts too!
Seuss
Sub Tropical, PA, USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 14:16:22 (ZULU)
Joe Mahon,
Sounds like you're having too much fun shaking the tree!
Duman
Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 14:55:41 (ZULU)
THis should help out.
http://www.awalkinhell.com/REMF.htm
Dave "Doc" King
USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 15:01:35 (ZULU)
Thanks.
Duman
Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 15:22:24 (ZULU)
Thanks for the info, I'll let you know what I find out this weekend if nothing else keeps me from the range.
Later,
Byron
CA, USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 16:36:22 (ZULU)
Brian Sain send email with address. Minnie Mee Cuffs are done. Who loves you?
On another site guys suggested a sale on my M24 slings so I am extending that sale here. They are any color as long as it's Tan, OD or Black, with HD Military Swivels installed, for 60.00 plus 5.00 shipping. Would not normally post here but frankly getting a war chest together. Ken knows why but can't discuss right now.
Jaeger, that whole thing on 408 CHey Tac is a pain in the butt. All that chest pounding and such, then no emails or calls. So much for getting me one to test. More BS and no follow through. Seems like old times. I am sticking with 338 Lapua. It costs enough to shoot. Thinking the biggest thingt he 408 has going for it, is concentration. I mean at what 10.00? a shot you can not afford to miss.
On 338 Lapua, no break? Man that hurts unless you are shooting girly loads. Been there and shot one like that. No fun. Vias makes a hell of a break and so does OPS.
Undude/Mike
Mike Miller
CA, - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 16:41:59 (ZULU)
This is great. I hope Joe emails me with a complaint that he is swamped.
Now.........
I have given this guy in Oregon every benefit of the doubt. He has not responded to my last request for payment. As I was typing this, my lawyer returned my call and assured me that I should indeed post this info to prevent my friends in this community from getting ripped off, too (Rod will also be sending a package for the troops, Joe!)
He also recommended that I turn this over to the credit bureaus. I decline. This guy is his own punishment. His word is worth less than forty bucks. He is not worth my time.
If you want to see who signed for the package at 1545 28 July 2003, got to:
http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/netdata-cgi/db2www/cbd_243.d2w/output
Sad......first instance in five years.
Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 16:45:36 (ZULU)
Rock on SIR!
BKS
brian k. sain
Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 17:17:33 (ZULU)
Bruce,
Blank screen... No tracking number.
Sharon
Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, US of A!! - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 17:30:05 (ZULU)
Go to that address and enter the folowing tracking number:
ET057168065US.......(zero's, not O's)
Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 18:16:27 (ZULU)
Now, a less than 1% failure rate is still great, but I have never seen this with Norma or win, or LC or Rem, and at $58 a box, I'd think they'd be perfect as well.
I wonder if the steep shoulder angle is what causes this?
Anyway, let me know if you have any info. If you have the lot#, that would really help too. (the blue number stamped under th top of the box lid). I'd like to pass this info along to Lapua if it's an issue in other lots/areas of the country.
Bearman,
Looking forward to seeing you and Acehigh down for some more matches. Maybe next time we can get the matches done and get to the 800y pop ups.
Chris...
aka. Fatoy...
Chris
Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 18:23:44 (ZULU)
The Avians are very good but they aren't Leica/Zeiss/Swarovski or top of the range Nikon quality. They compared quite favourably with the leica equivalent when I tried them and were better than Minnox and B&L. It wasn't until I held them stacked on top of the leica's that I could see the difference. But then the difference was noticable. Not massive, but noticable. The difference is between knowing you are looking at leaves on a distant tree and seeing individual leaves. That's the trouble with optics the extra 5-10% performance doubles the price. If you could stretch to £500 rather than $500 you could get a second hand pair of leica 8x50 or 10x50's and never look back. If I were you I'd try to get down there and compare for yourself rather than order blind as it were. They do offer a 14 day return -no questions asked if you're not happy though. The trouble with good optics is that once you've seen how good the best are it's very hard to settle for less.( and very expensive if you can't. - not to mention dangerous if "her indoors" finds out!)
Mark D
Mark Dougan
London, UK - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 18:30:18 (ZULU)
No problems or lost/damages cases ever with any of my 6.5 x 284 or other Lapua brass (243, 308 or 338 Lapua)
/r
Dave "Doc" King
USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 18:49:14 (ZULU)
Rock on Joe, bring pride to the REMF name.
Mike, good shot. For $10 per round, I'll pay some kid to run a two miles and throw a brick through the target.
Now what's the BC on a 10 year old with a brick and a bag full of jaw breakers?
Jaeger
Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 18:59:18 (ZULU)
Robert Martin
FL, USofA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 19:05:45 (ZULU)
First box of "Goodies for the Grunts" on its way to you. I'm very proud of our troops and figure the best way to show my appreciation is with my wallet.
Thanks for what you do ;)))
Mk4
Texas, God Bless America, United States of America - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 22:31:27 (ZULU)
In the last 3 years, I can't remember a bad one,223,243,308,30-06. But I do have a notable case of CRS. Maybe it's like the new server commercial for MS where they make a .05 more per transaction and do 20 million transactions/mth. It would add up. I'm on my last box of 100 out of 500 from a purchase last year. I'll check any new arrivals and get with ya.
Doc K.
Thanks for the link. A story that should be told more.
Bruce,
Thanks for the heads up on that pitiful sob. He'll get his, I'm sure. I'm a firm believer in karma.
John
Acehigh
B'ton, IN, USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 23:15:54 (ZULU)
Back from another fun day in ABQ......this is why I live in Los Lunas!!!!!
Child Bride knew where to go in a craft supply shop to get squeeze bottles for CLP. Then we hit the Rez and got a bunch more chaw.
Donations to date: $530
Expenditures to date: $526.55
Y'all keep it up......turning the Bride loose in Walmart to buy stuff for our guys and gals over there is one of the biggest kicks I've ever had. She grins like a possum the whole time!
Thanks again, folks. You are truly wonderful people.
And a huge thank-you to Major Joe.....you make all this work, and you and your team perform all this while making enormous sacrifices. We see, remember, and will forever appreciate.
Y'all stay safe.....God Bless our troops.
Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 23:17:43 (ZULU)
Our Sheriff's Relief Association publishes a monthly Department news magazine and this was one of the tid-bits for the month.
"FEELING YOUR AGE?
Just in case you were not feeling old today, this will certainly change things. Most of the deputies graduating from the Academy this year were born twenty-one years ago. This is a list of things that will give you sense of their mind set:
- They are too young to remember the shuttle blowing up.
- Their lifetime has always included AIDS.
- Bottle caps have alway been screw off and plastic.
- The compact disc was introduced the year they were born.
- They have always had an answering machine.
- They have always had cable.
- They cannot fathom not having a remote control.
- Jay Leno has always been on the "Tonight Show."
- Popcorn has always been cooked in a microwave oven.
- They never took a swim and thought about "Jaws."
- They cannot imagine what hard contact lenses are.
- They do not know who Mork was or where he was from.
- They never heard "Where's the beef," "I'd walk a mile for a Camel" or "De plane boss, de plane."
- They do not care who shot J.R. and have no idea who J.R. is.
- McDonalds's burgers never came in Styrofoam containers.
- They do not have a clue how to use a typewriter.
- They believe the MDT has always been standard issue equipment in a patrol car.
Do you feel old yet? After reading this, you can take your glasses off again so you do not look so old. I'm sure your half-filled-out retirement paperwork is still in the top drawer of your desk, next to your typewriter ribbon."
Damn, are we really that old? I don't feel that old ... most of the time. There was a time when we were the one's laughing because our elders had CRS (can't remember shit), now we're the one's being laughed at because of CRS. Well at least I still look good, now where did I put my glasses so I can make sure?
Later,
Byron
CA, USA - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 00:44:45 (ZULU)
>On 338 Lapua, no break? Man that hurts unless you are shooting girly loads<
Full house Lapua 250 factory stuff. But hey........I'm using your sling!
Seriously, got something bolted to it I'm trying to break. 40 more rounds....................at $70 a box........
Mike in Texas
Granbury, Texas, - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 01:32:43 (ZULU)
Mark Smith
Lake Cormorant, MS, - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 01:37:23 (ZULU)
I'm making a sudden trip from NYC to Winston-Salem NC. Grandpa, the Bishop (Episc) is going to go see THE BOSS, upstairs. I'm going to see him STAT. Any of you guys between NY and NC who might want to share a meal or just a handshake, hit my e-mail (subject SCDR). I could use the friendly faces
Thank You,
Web the Critter
P.S. Can any of you active Recruiting Command (ARMY) (or former with contacts) handle a tough question? Hit me off-line.
Web Crittenden
Upstate NY till I had to come back out of the woods., Ny, - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 03:08:53 (ZULU)
A little time to kill after climbing down from the roof (*$**%$##@%% swamp cooler!!) so I thought I would give you a rundown of the contents of the three cartons that go to Joe tomorrow, thanks to your generosity and love of our troops:
550 cord, 50 ft, qty. 5
.223 Patches, 500 pk., qty. 7
Disposable cameras, 27 exposure, qty. 4
AA batteries, 8 pk., qty. 4
Chapstick, qty. 12
Black Duct Tape, qty. 5
Electrical Tape, qty. 11
Smokeless tobacco, asstd., 10 cans per log, qty. 6
Baby wipes, 37 ea., qty. 10
CLP Sqeeze bottles, qty. 15
Slim Jims, 15 per can, qty. 2
Sharpie markers, 5 per pack, qty. 5
Sunscreen, SPF 45, qty. 4
Insect Repellant, qty. 6
Ziplock Bags, Gallon Size, 19 ea., qty. 5
Pipe cleaners, 100 ea., qty. 2
Jerky, 4 oz., qty. 8
Q-Tips, 500 ea., qty. 2
Plus a bunch of assorted magazines.
Tried to stay with Joe's wish list. Joe, fine-tune it as needed.
My heartfelt thanks to all that serve or have served.....and to the REMF's that proudly get this stuff to the men and women who need it!
(Don't know how "Rear Echelon" applies over there, though.....anybody know where the front is?)
Joe wrote me that he could not begin to describe the look on the face of an old grizzled 1SGT when he handed him a 10-pack roll of Copenhagen.
My thanks to all of you who so generously donated.
Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 03:10:14 (ZULU)
Michael
USA - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 06:52:36 (ZULU)
One of my young captains sent this to me:
Subject: Deja Vu Article from 1945
Administration In Crisis Over Burgeoning Quagmire
August 12, 1945
WASHINGTON DC (Reuters) President Truman, just a few months into his young presidency, is coming under increasing fire from some
Congressional Republicans for what appears to be a deteriorating security situation in occupied Germany, with some calling for his removal from office.
Over three months after a formal declaration of an end to hostilities,
the occupation is bogged down. Fanatical elements of the former Nazi regime who, in their zeal to liberate their nation from the foreign occupiers, call themselves members of the Werwolf (werewolves) continue to commit almost-daily acts of sabotage against Germany's already-ravaged infrastructure, and attack American troops. They have been laying road mines, poisoning food and water supplies, and setting various traps, often lethal, for the occupying forces.
It's not difficult to find antagonism and anti-Americanism among the population--many complain of the deprivation and lack of security. There are thousands of homeless refugees, and humanitarian efforts seem confused and inadequate.
> >
In the wake of the budding disaster, some have called for more international participation in peacekeeping. A Red Cross official said that, "...the German people will be more comfortable if their conquerors weren't now their overlords. It makes it difficult to argue that this wasn't an imperialistic war when the occupying troops in the western sector are exclusively American, British and French."
> >
The administration, of course, claims that, given the chaos of the
recent war, such a situation is to be expected, and that things will improve with time. As to the suggestion to internationalize the occupying forces, the administration had no official comment, but an unofficial one was a repetition of the quote from General McAuliffe, when asked to surrender in last winter's Battle of the Bulge--"Nuts."
> >
> > In an attempt to minimize the situation, a White House spokesman pointed out that the casualties were extremely light, and militarily inconsequential, particularly when compared to the loss rates prior to VE Day. Also, the attacks seem to be dying down with each passing month. But this statement was leaped upon by some as heartless, trivializing the deaths and injuries of young American men.
> >
> >
Looking at this, it apprears to me to be fiction--but the premise is accurate enough. There was much consternation in the early days of the occupation as it slowly shifted to nation building. I cut off the bottom two thirds of this article for brevity's sake; but it was almost too perfectly tailored to today to be believable. Yet, this is historically accurate as Killer Angels was; and we take no lesson from history now.
Liberals, just shut up and let serious people do serious work! We were still questioning our efforts in 1950 in ETO and PTO; and here we go again. If you think about policy rationally, great--if you "feel" policy then go live with Jonny Depp in the south of France. Do not try to mold my country to your liking--there are plenty of countries already set up with socialistic economies and societies. Just go! And quit trying to understand why I own guns--you missed that boat years ago...
Joe M.
Joe Mahon
Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 08:45:32 (ZULU)
REMF: Rear-echelon Mutha fucker. Heheh, I used to throw that one around a whole bunch. Now I are one! And being among them, I can tell ya that the title is earned by some of these folks.
Range: 40 for 40. Nuff said. Thanks Dan, the simpliest thing made al the difference. I just set ever so slightly to the right of center. Had some fun teaching on the zero range too.
Brian:
No Slam! I'm just a "sensitive" warrior who was promoted out of the cool jobs... and I now sit in the rear (mostly) hating myself for what I've become...Hahahahahaha. I hated myself when I was a second louie too; a left over NCO deep reflex response. I couldn't shave in the morning without flippin myself the finger. I was basket case. Imagine, a second LT muttering to himself about "gawd damn dumb ass second louiees" in the orderly room. People gave me a wide berth...:))
(now that I am older and wiser, I see the 2LT as a necessary evil-- just found out they grow up to become presidents)
Joe M.
Joe Mahon
Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 09:25:58 (ZULU)
Anybody know where to get an AK 47 bubble jet?
:))
Acehigh
B'ton, IN, USA - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 10:32:05 (ZULU)
John in Wales, oh no not another sheep shagger on the Roster !!!! welcome. I'd have recomended Steiner bino's to you, that was untill about 5 weeks ago when my new 7x50's got a leak during some liquid sunshine in Scotland, depending on how Steiner deal with fixing them and compensating me i might recomend em again (i'm sure it was just a one off as ive another set of 7x50's that have given me great service through the years). Leica are the top of the bunch, but the most expensive too, Steiner-Swarovski-Zeiss are all about equal, and then thére is a big step down in quality to whatever comes next. If you are using em professionaly then you want the best.I've had swarovskis leak before.Steiner night hunters are good.dont buy till you asked me what price i can get on em here.
Marc Palmer.. buddy i owe you money, and i don't like owing money.. have you changed your phone number because the one i have doesn't work, email me at work with your bank details and i'l get transferring.
Joe S. ah. i guess the germans are already on thier way back here eh?. tell your Bro inlaw to gimmie a ring and i'l take him down the range in Darmstadt, and maybe even piggy hunting, no full auto here though..
Jon B. gimmie a ring when you get back to the lakes, i'm at work as of sunday morning.
Pete L
Peter Lincoln
Germany - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 12:34:51 (ZULU)
"Now what's the BC on a 10 year old with a brick and a bag full of jaw breakers?"
ROTFLMAO!
You could have him spin in a circle for a full minute, then send him downrange. This could provide measurable verification of "spin-drift".
Duman
Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 14:32:40 (ZULU)
This is my first post, made at the suggestion of MK4. I became a lurker because I grew tired of being constantly interrupted by my husband to, "Come read this!" on the DR. He is still a lurker and I'm not sure why.
Meanwhile, I feel compelled to offer my feeble qualifications:
1) The largest, nicest room in our very small house is devoted to weapon and ammo storage and reloading.
2) I spent my honeymoon at the 1999 Soldier of Fortune Convention in Las Vegas. And I had a great time, despite suffering heat stroke on the range.
3) Although I grew up in an anti-gun household parented by Conscientious Objectors, I have since seen the flaws in that viewpoint. Therefore, I may be able to shed some light on how liberals come up with their stupid ideas, should anybody care.
At any rate, MK4 thought I should share my ideas for stuff that would make our troops more comfortable in a hot, dusty nasty climate. Joe's list covers most stuff, but this might also be appreciated:
feminine napkins (used as helmet liners to absorb sweat,and no I'm not making this up to force you guys to stand in line holding cases of these)
As many wet wipes as you can ship (I know Joe mentioned these, but they truly are important)
Postcards from your hometown, showing the troops places they're defending that they may never have seen
On to more conventional business:
Web the Critter -- stop by on your way to NC. We're on a main drag and I would be happy to whip up a meal for you.
Peter Lincoln -- As a former Software AG employee, I've been to several places in Darmstadt, but not the range. Plink a couple for me, eh?
Joe Mahon -- Thanks for your stories from the front. THey give us civilians artillery against the local negativity.
Thanks for listening,
"Sweetie" (so dubbed by MK4)
Sweetie
MD, USA - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 15:02:51 (ZULU)
I bet that damn thing wouldn't paper-jam!
I also heard yesterday that my jarhead nephew is COMING HOME from Iraq!!!
I have another that is reporting for basic soon.
4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 15:15:10 (ZULU)
Don Rutledge
Riverside, CA, U.S.A - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 15:19:49 (ZULU)
And here I thought it was just a bunch of sweaty, grumpy old men hanging out. We better toe the line now boys.
My apologies for any past posts on my part that may have offended. My momma really did raise me right (God bless her little Irish heart).
All that aside, chicks do dig me (ladies too).
... guess now I gotta clean up my act. Ain't gonna be easy (sigh).
Welcome to the Roster ma'am.
brian k. sain
Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 15:37:37 (ZULU)
First, does anyone have any opinions (good or bad) about Pac-Nor barrels. Anything...rifling quality, centering of bore, fit&finish, etc. I'm considering them for a big bore project I'm working on.
Second, after a four hour low crawl thru swampy cattle land in central FL, I have a reccommendation/endorsement. I bought one of those rhino skin bug suits from one of the outdoor catalogs and wore it for the first time last night. At the end of my crawl, my left foot ended up in a fire ant nest. It took an hour for them to reach my face and I had not one bite in the interim. About 5 mins. after they started chewing on me I had 3 coyotes come in and took 2. No skeeter bites either. Best product of its kind I have tried. It was a little warm, especially in FL humidity, but I've had worse in bug tamers and ghillies. If you look into them, get the socks and gloves.
Side note, if you use NV scopes, don't use duct tape to hold extra batteries to the stock. I got this trick from an old "sniper" in AR last year, but for some reason, duct tape conducts electricity and drains batteries. Oh well.
Hair not air!
Robert Martin
FL, USofA - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 15:40:12 (ZULU)
Sweetie
I sent a box of panty liners to my son for use as helmet sweat band augments. During one of his phone calls I asked if they had arrived and were being used....the phone went silent for a short while and then a little 'chuckle'..."Ahhhh no" he said. He said he put the box out on a common area table and it sat there for a few days then mysteriously migrated to a nearby trash can. Young guys are fairly odd...an older fella that recently came back used the panty liners and thought they were a great idea (of course he was a Navy Officer and they routinely use panty liners :)...) In all truthfulness, he said the troops with him used them and thought they were great and he was the one recommending that I send some to my son.
I just had a mental image of a squad of U. S. soldiers advancing on the opposing forces while having numerous panty liners stuck to the outside of their helmets.... damn odd mental image! But if I were being charged by a group of men dressed in such a fashion I believe I'd retreat to contemplate the situation before re-engaging (perhaps).
/r
Dave "Doc" King
USA - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 15:57:32 (ZULU)
Mike/Undude
MikeMiller
CA, - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 16:07:17 (ZULU)
Welcome and please bear with us, it's different when we know ya'll are close by, I promise.
undude,
Did he say anything about the hot load takin the thing apart? I realize I can pack enough pistol powder into abything and make it explode but.... you'd think that someone with that kinda money and reloading ability... silly me!
John
Acehigh
B'ton, IN, USA - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 16:58:04 (ZULU)
Allow me to add a warm welcome to Sweetie!
We have corresponded, and MK4 has sent me a lot of stuff. I would have to call us kindred spirits.
My Child Bride and I went to the SHOT Show in Orlando a few months after we were married......some of the folks on this forum got to meet her. She also has helped me move two damn heavy gunsafes, and has humiliated me at the range.
She is, as I type this, writing thank-you notes to the generous donors to "Goodies for the Grunts".
Brian was a perfect gentleman around her, if you can believe that, even when he was table dancing for the female Israeli sniper. His momma raised him right.......and, yes, chicks do dig him. Child Bride included. Thankfully, she digs me more.
Nice to have you aboard, Sweetie. We could all use a little gentling influence, and I ain't got a clue as to what feminine products to buy.
We got a lot of women over there, risking their lives in defense of their country. Any input is appreciated.
Joe:
Hit me off-Roster. Got a military correspodent who may be interested in pushing "Goodies for the Grunts" locally. Need to discuss logistics with you.
Y'all Stay Safe!
Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 17:52:57 (ZULU)
Sweetie shows up and Brian starts stammering out "ma'ams." I figured he was like me--all talk until the wife walks in the room. Heheh.
And welcome Missus Sweetie, shooters are shooters. (ain't that so Mrs. Mahon?). Double ha, wife's a lurker too. I found out right after the post on the minefield foray. She was pissed...Hi honey!
4i's: I'll say a prayer that your nephew stays home for a few months...it is getting busy in this business. But heck, the more we knock out now--the more decades we'll buy for our kids to enjoy some peace. Next?
Panty liners? Never ever tried that one. Then again, I ditched the K-pot for several of my more active years. I did witness a tampon save a life on a severed femoral; the tourniquet was to high on the thigh to be effective, but that tampon shoved in the hole (actually, in the damn artery) sure did the trick...That was in Hondo--not this one.
Bruce--we'll talk offline, but I am kind of nervous about wide spread address exposure. I'd hate to get something of a surprise either by way of customs violations or worse. I trust you guys and those you know--but newspapers may be a bit uncontrolled in that respect. Maybe we can work it--we'll see. I have a feeling I am about to be the most unpopular human with the mailroom weenies. Heheh. And all this is just in time for the All-Americans; they wasted no time making a splash in the media. Perhaps it is the effects of back to back to back wars; they came in with a vengeance! Go duece, get some!
I'll make a special effort to get some of the next deliveries to the paratroops. They're likely to be further out on the end of the supply chain...goes with the job description. The heavy troops have tracks and wheels, but these guys do alot of walking.
And I do a lot of planning. I hate chains to a desk...
Joe M.
Joe Mahon
Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 19:24:36 (ZULU)
Tampons for femoral bleeds.... I'm all for whatever works but why not use a hemostat, it is actually intended for that use.
medicjim
Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 19:58:57 (ZULU)
Peter Lincoln
germany - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 20:11:02 (ZULU)
A bit of advice... 1:4 is lousy odds, I suggest you take up endurance running or get more drinking buddies. Maybe even a medic in the lot.
Glad to see you are still as politically correct as ever <g>
medicjim
Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 20:49:41 (ZULU)
No chance of your addy going out. I want complete anonymity on this, myself included. I just want to see if we can get some under-the-table support from local sporting goods stores, Walmart, etc.
I keep everybody's info to myself.
But my goal is to make you vastly unpopular in the mail room.
Three boxes went out today. Guys in the local Post Office said God Bless You and the Troops. One, a friend of mine (they all are, after five years of mail-order business in a small town!) alerted me to the fact that tobacco products are banned to some camps.....didn't say which ones......but not to your addy. I scrupulously list all items on the customs forms. Spent the better part of the morning just doing the paperwork on this shipment. If you EVER run into any problems caused by my paperwork, give me a heads-up immediately, and I will correct it.
Tell the recipients that we are proud of them, and grateful beyond expression. Thanks to all who have chipped in (No Senators or Representatives yet.....)
Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 21:46:52 (ZULU)
My God man, speak English.
... kidding pal. You doing good over there?
brian k. sain
Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 22:09:03 (ZULU)
Brian -- quit with the "Ma'am" crap. You'll make me feel old. And do real women dig you, too?
Dave "Doc" King -- Thanks for endorsing the feminine product idea. I'm sure that Navy types use them all the time, too. They aren't called "pier queers" for nothing. (Sorry if I offended anybody with that.) However, I hope the troops understand that the things are supposed to be worn on the INSIDE of the helmet, not the outside. Unless they're carrying extras for later? If I saw enemy forces wearing the things on the outside of the helmet, I too would retreat, but in hysterical laughter. Hubby and I went to Sam's Club to buy said items, and he picked them out. I've always hated the damn things. My only requirement was "no wings." I can just see some poor kid loaded down like a pack mule with regulation equipment and a very unregulation wing hanging down over his nose.
Bruce -- Although my pantry holds a New England Arms .223 fitted just for me and is always stocked with ammo, I can't claim to be much of a shooter. I hit the target just fine, but I don't get all wrapped up in reloading and all the technical stuff. I shoot what hubby loads for me. See if Child Bride would be interested in a "wive's shoot" sometime. And I too, believe in robbing the cradle. Hubby is 9 years younger than I. Like they always say, get 'em young and train 'em right....
Peter Lincoln -- I've only been to about 2 bars in Darmstadt, and I can't remember their names. All I know is I almost got thrown out of one because all I wanted was water. I was so sick of nothing but mineral water for days at the office that I couldn't even face beer (I'm more of a whiskey drinker). The proprietor announced to everyone that I was a %@##! American and everyone alternately laughed and glared at me. The guy I was with wanted to crawl under the table. I never learned "humiliate the customer" as a customer service concept. But then, I'm just a stupid American. This was probably 1996, and I worked for Software AG. Pretty original name, eh? Ah, the stories I could tell you about German management...
Last but not least, I can't help but note that only men use the term "panty liners." It's like only men say, "panties." Women say "Kotex" and "underwear." There must be something about the word "panty" that gets you guys all worked up.
Sweetie
MD, USA - Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 22:49:57 (ZULU)
I don't usually call ladies "Sweetie" until we've danced but hey, whatever works.
Here in the deep south, "Ma'am" is an automatic term of respect and courtesy to the female gender and it doesn't matter if she is 2 or 102.
However, I have never been accused of NOT accomodating a lady ... so Sweetie it shall be.
Can't answer your question though until you define "real women" for me.
However, if it's got wheels or legs ... I can either ride it, drive it or dance with it.
Nice to have you here,
Brian
brian k. sain
Friday, September 5, 2003, at 00:13:35 (ZULU)
Picked up some stuff today, 550 cord (small climbing shop gave me 50% off bulk partial roll 466ft). I stopped in to get some "chew" and not being a tobacco type was quite amazed at the selection...ended up with a 10 pack of Skoal Long Cut Wintergreen (original I guess). I'll be out tomorrow for tape (gotta look up a HVAC type and get connected with his supplier).
Sweetie...
I've never heard sailors referred to as "pier queers", must have been something started AFTER I retired. It's pretty funny thought and I'll remember to try it on the guys at work (Navy Hospital Bethesda MD).
Panties and panty liners vs Kotex and underware... when I think of Kotex I have a vision of something white and about the size of a small sleeping bag wedged tightly in place by several bungy cords and metal fasteners, panty liners are just 2-sided bandaids for underware! Underware are by definition worn under something... panties on the other hand are often considered an outer garment(s).
Bruce
Thanks for the Tobacco "warning"... I'll check with the folks at "my" Post Office before trying to send the Skoal out...they get confused here in the DC area. (If I lived in the Carolina's there'd probably be a law requiring ALL mail to contain some type of tobacco product "Here...stick this Marlboro right next to the 37cent stamp or it'll be rejected at the zip code scanner").
Take care
/r
Dave "Doc" King
USA - Friday, September 5, 2003, at 01:55:05 (ZULU)
Sweetie, Ma'am...
What Brian (In)Sain & Doc King said.
I never heard Pier Queer,neither... but I ain't offended either.
(20 years Navy)
Sharon
Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, US of A!! - Friday, September 5, 2003, at 04:13:33 (ZULU)
A twentysomething female friend of my wife wants to "shoot a gun", and since she and I are pretty good friends, I told her to come on down to the farm some weekend and we'll burn through some bullets. I plan on introducing the basic firearm safety stuff, but my question is what do we shoot? I have the whole array of stuff from a 22 pistol up to an M1A, but what should I put in her hands first? I started off with a .410 double, but that might not have been the best choice.
Anyhow, what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to introduce a person to firearms would be? By the way, she is not a dainty, girly type, she's a farmer's daughter so she can probably physically handle anything under a .300 win mag.
Thank you for your help, either e-mail or posts will be fine.
Matt