Sniper Country Duty Roster

August 2007

rod...

>"JPFO looks like a class act. A little extreme IMHO, but their heart is in the right place. I've purchased publications from them."<

They are a stand up bunch of people.

You gotta remember that these people, more than ANY OTHER PEOPLE ON EARTH, understand the final consequences of gun control.

I'll march with them any day.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, August 1, 2007, at 00:18:54 (ZULU)

Lito:

Concur JPFO understands the consequences of unilateral personal disarmament in a very viceral way.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, August 1, 2007, at 01:01:50 (ZULU)

Jefe: Welcome back!

I asked about you, about a year ago. I was assured you were still kicking.

So are you in the US or still down south?

I think the NRA has multiple personalities, the lobbying portion seams to enjoy its job too much. It should not be necessary.

Truck country, the wife and I went with a Toyota Tundra this time. If it's as good as the cars we've had in the past, we wont be going back. I wish they made duallys.

Surgeon actions, is that the red-headded dude? I met him at red castle, seams like a stand-up guy.

Back problems? don't short the "alternative" treatments chiro,massage w/essential oils,accupressure/puncture. I'm continually amazed at how little, the health care system, knows about the spine, and how the body works.

Maybe I just don't like the idea of being addicted to pain meds for the rest of my life.

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Wednesday, August 1, 2007, at 03:26:06 (ZULU)

Joe M.

Re, our 'friends' at the alphabet soup can...

I have a friend who is an FFL. He has told me horror stories of BATF guys flying in and going over books. Each un-dotted 'I', un-crossed 'T', each question not answered in the BUYER'S hand writing, was a 5k fine. When they were asked if that wasn't a 'little' excessive, they responded that they had flown in, will fly back, have motel and food bills... who do you think is gonna pay for them...

I'll pay a little extra for someone else to bear that responsibility.

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Wednesday, August 1, 2007, at 03:41:37 (ZULU)

4i's, lol, yep, the red-headded guy's Preston Pritchett. He's a nice guy to have a conversation with.

Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Wednesday, August 1, 2007, at 04:14:45 (ZULU)

Here in the last few years, I've become increasingly dissatisfied with the NRA. It seems they're taking our money to build facilities most of us will never see or get to use. Kind of a rich guy jerkoff club. If I can find some other organisation that's a little more bloodthirsty and more interested in preserving our rights than compromising them away bit by bit.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, August 1, 2007, at 07:40:36 (ZULU)

Travis...

I have been a "lifer" in the NRA for 42 years. There are things that I don't agree with, and they have been through some "strange" leadership periods (you shoulda been there when one leader wanted to join forces with the Sierra Club, and become conservation club... and give up shooting) - and Wayne LaPierre is my second least favorite leader.

But... you need to remember that the NRA is made up of a lot of different shooters, and many "interest" groups. There are many shooters that would be comfortable with a ban on all guns except shotguns. Why? Because they shoot trap and skeet, and they would sell out their brothers in a New York second, if congress would promise to leave them alone.

There are many that are interested on competition shooting, in Benchrest shooting, etc.

I'm not sure about the "jerkoff club" thing, as I haven't been there... but if I lived in KS, I would sure as shit make the drive to Raton once a year... but from up here it is a 2-1/2 day drive one way.

I don't have a problem with Raton. It is the finest range in America (with the possible exception of some military ranges). It would have been nice if it was up here in New England (so I could get to it), but I can live with it as it stands.

It's Wayne's weakness as a leader that pisses me off. He is like most non-profit COO's - he is a charmer, and an ass wipe, but not a street fighter when it's needed.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, August 1, 2007, at 14:27:00 (ZULU)

The FIRST priority of ANY organization, the NRA included, is SELF PRESERVATION...

I go to the Whittington Center (Raton) for 9 days twice each year, Memorial Day week and Labor day week. It's my vacation...

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Wednesday, August 1, 2007, at 14:57:18 (ZULU)

Its always been my understanding that the Whittington Center is a self-supporting entity and gets ZERO support from the NRA. That was the only way that facility could be approved for development. The thinking at that time was that there would be several (and similar) *regional* facilities like Whittington to be built around the U.S. Of course, that never happened.

Good place for a vacation....eh Larry? I spent many a week up there during the BPCR Silhouette Nationals... and plenty of fond memories to match.

Sarge,

Sorry to hear about Sarge, Jr.

Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Wednesday, August 1, 2007, at 15:33:06 (ZULU)

4i's: with you on the meds! I dunno about pain threshholds--very subjective by each---but I prefer pain to dopey la-la land in general. I rarely take anything. A while back, I was in so much pain that it racked every muscle in my body to the point of tossing cookies. I grabbed my shoulder meds (T3's) and that got the wife's attention---it was so out of character that she was freaked.

Sarge: The army board WILL screw your boy in percentages. Maybe that has changed due to the large spotlight congress is shining on this subject--but in general, they come back with low-ball amounts. Rappeling is qualifying for the "combat related" for the CRSC payments from the VA (after all is done with the discharge, this process begins). But first, ENSURE THAT THERE IS MAJOR DOCUMENTATION!!! Have your son obtain a copy of a LOD statement from his CO. If one hasn't been done, have him request it. make him re-visit initial doctors if needed to have all write ups specify "how" injury occured. The doc must state unequivically (sp!) that "the injury occured while rappelling"---and NOT "the soldier stated that..." These documents are easy now---impossible down the road to obtain. Also, tell your boy that now is NOT the time to "suck it up." If it hurts (esp. unrelated injuries and aches to this action), even once in a blue moon---he is to go to sick call and complain. NOW. Anything at all---diziness, heat exhaustion, sore joints...stiff back....anything and everything. He should go to sick every day of the week if it takes that. Even if he gets "0%'---he is still rated. He WILL be glad he does this in some 20 years. Oddly, just because the service sits you down---that does not means the VA will consider you for compensation. He will be facing a hoop-jumpin' PITA once he is out. Too often, kids say "screw this" and do nothing. Then, later on in life when the injury degrades to the point where he takes action---it is all but impossible to prove service connection due to the evidence requirements. Now is assuredly the time to do this stuff!!! PTSD is also something that may only be an occassional bad dream here and there under his radar---but tends to build over time. Probe him on this subject, daddy! He'll probably man-up and clam up--but if he has any indications--that too must be mentioned. Too many vets let their life drain away from them by being stoic about this. If it is documented---later treatment, if needed--is covered by the VA. Needing it later and not having it mentioned now makes that a tough thing to get.

Look at this way: The army is saying that he is broke enough to be let go. They'll probably say 10%" disability at best. That alone is nada from the VA, except free care for that injury alone.

Rod: Ha! Now there's an understatement: "...has certainly evolved into a different vision than what the Founding Fathers had in mind." Take Lautenburg's infamous ammendment that strips second ammendment rights upon arrest. Even spurious claims resulted in "non-deployable" soldiers under my command over the years. Then we have departmental regulations with the power of law to persecute (note prosecute was not used here) citizens. Congress shall make all laws or some such is how I read that article...yet "laws" are used to empower appointed persons to do just this power. It all disgusts me to no end.

I take heat for my law school goal (lawyers are not loved by many)--but I see this as a great addition to my ammo pouch. Legal harrassment is a growing concern (how much insurance can you really afford?)---take that Korean couple in the DC area who got sued by a shitbag judge---100K in legal bills for a frivalous claim. That has to hurt---and not everyone can afford this. And the government is not above this either: first example is Scooter Libby who was nowhere near the actual crime but had a faulty memory about a two-year old conversation and got popped for that instead (had to get somebody to show how the Bush Admin is guilty--pure stalinist political persecution here)---and then there's that hubby in Chicago (the one where the chippy-news girl went swimming with him and got fired)---he lawyered up when he realized the police had sights on him---and the police promptly named him---publicly---a "person of interest" in retaliation. Whether he is or isn't guilty isn't a concern--it is the presumption of guilt that is flooding in to our legal system that scares the hell out of me. Voir dire juries all but express this guilt assumtion---from the bench! Yeah, the jury instructions makes it TWO prosecutors in court. One wears robes though. So, since I've nothing better to do, may as well get myself armed with a law degree. I don't need money--so I have a freedom of maneuver on what I do in court that few lawyers will enjoy.

Joe M
Wednesday, August 1, 2007, at 20:50:18 (ZULU)

Dammit, Joe! Here I was, hero worshippin' you, and now I find out you wanna be a LAWYER?

If anyone knows of an ADHD med that actually WORKS, please let me know. My Dr. seems to think putting me on different flavors of horse crank is the answer. FYI: I ever you need to stay up for 3 days straight with no fatigue, just take three tabs of Provigil.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 01:12:11 (ZULU)

"...but I prefer pain to dopey la-la land in general."

Around eleven years ago, a cardiac surgeon split my brisket with a bone saw then cranked the cavity open and did a mix and match job on my valves. I hated the pain meds and wouldn't use them. About half a bottle of generic ibiaprofin (sp?) from Wally World was all I used. Full recovery, no problems.

As one of my nephews says, "Pain doesn't hurt that much."

CDC'
Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 01:44:46 (ZULU)

Click. Yeah, you want one.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 02:25:39 (ZULU)

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56948

http://redstradingpost.blogspot.com

First link is the story---second is red's diary on ATF visits. Been watching this one with a morbid curiosity...BTW, great links at the bottom of the new piece.

Travis: Nope, don't want a shoulder fired 3/4 inch bullet...not with my bionics. Now a black powder mortar....that is on my wish list several places under the AR50:))

Joe M
Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 06:06:16 (ZULU)

Joe

Did you find any steel plate? I hauled some copper to the scrap yard yesterday and saw a piece of steel 1.5 inches thick and 18 inches in diameter. I just couldn't let it lay there so home it come with me. If you or anybody else wants it, it is yours.

Gary Kaney
NW, ILL, - Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 11:01:31 (ZULU)

Joe...

As much as I have been on your case about becoming a lawyer, a lot of people have said I should become one after this thing.

If I weren't so damn old, I would consider it. There is desperate need for ethical lawyers that are not in it for the money... just as there is desperate need for conservatives and shooters in the media.

I guess it's just that no one wants to go to work surrounded by lefty scum and filth :((

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 12:20:43 (ZULU)

Joe,

The great thing about that 1887 would be that you could use it for a shotgun, slug gun, or, in case you're ever attacked by anything big as, or bigger than a buffalo, a rifle. That, and it's just cool as hell.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 14:16:24 (ZULU)

Travis,

I think you should get a 577-Tyranosaur....

http://www.accuratereloading.com/577tyr.html

http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/airborne_combat_engineer/2005/01/if_you_introduc.html

http://www.firearmsid.com/A_featurevideo.htm

Duman
Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 15:44:48 (ZULU)

Gary: I want it on one condition: You come by and put dings on it at your leisure!

Lito: Your case is but one reason I get motivated on the law. I plan to use the second year on the constitution, and the third on property. Since i have 48 months of benefits, I may "stretch it out and hit another emphasis too---depends on how bad "surrounded by lefty scum and filth :((" is in a school named after Fitz Mondale!!! That is option one: Another is a smaller private school just down the road from this one.

Too late for this fall (the VA missed their goal by some 3 months in getting back to me)...but i also "planned" for that. Next fall; too easy.

Travis---what you described sounds an awful lot like my 870:)) The 20" rifled barrel and hornaday SST slugs don't give up much to a rifle for most hunting situations, and it hits like mule while swinging like nobodies bidness as close movers. For me, it is all the sledgehammer I think I need. As always: I reserve the right to need anything I don't need right now anytime I choose.

Thought for the day:

"Your opponent didn't so much underestimate you as he over-estimated himself..."

That thought keeps a winner humble, mostly:))

Joe M
Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 16:19:32 (ZULU)

OK a little help.

Planning on going to Raton for two weeks for Spirit of America and National F Class Championships in September.

I could use some help planning travel. I have a cabin at center already but wonder

1. Do I drive from Oakland

2. Take airplane and rent car for two weeks.

Certainly money is an issue but not sure routes or tiem frames right now. the center was not much help on advise, nearest air port or drive times so I ask the guys here to give some intel.

Thanks

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller
Ca, - Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 16:31:13 (ZULU)

Undude,

Fly into Denver, take my truck for the duration. Raton is ~1/2 day drive south.

Duman

Duman
Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 19:35:33 (ZULU)

Mike my best guess would be to fly into Albuquerque rent a vehicle and drive the, not sure of the distance, but can't be more that 3-4 hours to Raton. OR there may be a commuter airline from Abluquerque to Raton OR take Duman up on his offer.

Sarge
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 21:04:15 (ZULU)

Mike:

Casual web searching suggests Raton is 220 miles from the Albuquerque International Airport. There is a Best Western Sands listed for Raton, probably other accomodations available too.

http://www.trails.com/all-hotels/hotel-info.asp?hotelid=4042

Rates: $89.10 to $99.00 (3 stars)

Location: 300 Clayton Road, Raton, NM 87740

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raton,_New_Mexico

http://www.raton-nm.us/

http://www.nrawc.org/ - NRA Whittington Ctr

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, August 2, 2007, at 23:20:53 (ZULU)

Hello all,it's been a long time since my last post.I found a leupold 3.5-10x40 LR/T with an illuminated reticle in a pawn shop for $400.It has never been mounted and has the numbers:8888 sc on the box.My question would be;is it worth the money and if so, would it be suitable to mount on a 300 win mag.Any help would be appreciated.

Scott S
Key West, FL, U.S.A. - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 00:02:17 (ZULU)

Hey guys. Nope, not down south. Went to Iraq/Astan for about 3 years, back down south of a bit and am finishing my NG time in the US where I can finally retire and go back overseas, LOL.

Good to see some familiar posters.

Take care.

Jefe
Friday, August 3, 2007, at 00:44:17 (ZULU)

OK everyone its been awhile since I posted anything on here but I decided I needed to correct good old Sarge as far as his last post regarding me. First things first I am going through an MEB (Medical Evaluation Board) and second of all I was not repelling and I didn't not fall from a third story window. I was doing a PT thing when I was in FT Dumb and fell from a roof and broke my ankle, third my records are not at FT Sam they are at Patient Affairs out at Ft Stewart and I am waiting for three doctors here to sign what they call my dictation and then it all gets sent to Ft Sam and then I have the choice to appeal or accept the findings, but I forgive Sarge for the mistake because I know he is losing his mind at his OLD age.

Sarge: Dad its ok I understand what happens when you get OLD.

Sarge Jr.
HAAF, GA, USA - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 00:53:49 (ZULU)

Scott S.- I heard about some Chinese fakes being sold as Leupold awhile back. I don't know anything about how to tell the difference but you should try to find out. If it's a real loopy then you got the best deal I've ever heard of.

Jr.- I hope you heal up well and that they treat you right. Now stop being disrespectful to your pop in public HA!!

Joe- I can't believe your going to be a lawyer! I'm happy for you though and I'm sure you'll be successful. It's probably a good thing for the reasons 'lito stated above.

CDC- That hurt just reading it. Don't know if I could handle that but I do know that I fucking hate pain meds. Screws me all up in the head and I can't even take a dump normally.

They are forecasting some strong winds this weekend. I'm trying to decide if I should take my little Whaler offshore fishing and get my ass kicked by the wind, or go to the monthly Sacramento Tac match, and get my ass kicked by the wind. The albacore tuna are about 30 to 40 miles out there and I've got the fever. Problem is my boat is only 18' with no back up motor and no radar to get through the fog covered shipping channels. I can do it with my hand held GPS and a marine radio if I'm careful.

I miss this place lately since I hardly have time to turn on the computer. I come home to sleep a short amount real fast and then I'm out of the door again. Then the weekend comes and it's time to get out and play so I can't ever seem to catch up on sleep. What's a guy to do with only so many summer weekends in one life!

Later fellas,

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 04:53:36 (ZULU)

Sarge Jr? or Sarge II or Perhaps Un-Sarge, Any way. I doubt you really have a handle on what happens when you get old. Everything you see that is falling apart on the old guy(Your Pops), is only about half of what is really wrong. I fell off a horse in Feb and broke alot of bones. None of them in my legs. However, I now limp. What the hell? How can this be. I'm OLD that's how. So this is what you have to look forward to. I hope it cheers you up.

Give JoeM a break if he wants to waste his time attempting to help people that his bizness. He is wrong but he fought for our right and his own right to make mistakes. however if he buys a Dodge truck this will prove he is over the edge and I will go up there get him drunk and talk sense in to him. ;) And he better be a light weight or I may end up in Law School. ;(

UnDude, Good Luck out there. I need to make that trip too. It just wont be till next year, well hopefully next year.

DirtySteve.........

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 06:47:08 (ZULU)

Joe

I've got your phone# around here some where, i'll give you a howler this weekend.

Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 10:51:57 (ZULU)

MarcS: Thanks but as of right now I am as healed as I am going to get because of course as I get older the Arthritius is going to get worse.

DirtySteve: First things first its Sarge Jr and nothing else and as far as having a handle on things for when I get older your right I don't but that is because I don't live my life in the future I live it day by day, and as far as anything falling apart on Sarge yeah he has some stuff wrong but you know what when I call him old its just picking on him because no matter how old he gets he is still my father and I will always give him the respect he deserves not only as my father but as a Veteran of the US Army. So please with all respect to you before you start bashing on me and just being completely rude towards me why don't you get to know the facts and the relationship me and Sarge have before you do it again.

Everyone: If me picking on Sarge offends anyone well I am sorry but I believe that I have been apart of his life and he a part of my for the last 23 years almost 24 we have the right to pick on each other whenever and however we want, but please do not take it as me being rude or disrespectful to him because that is not the case I am not that stupid he would beat me senseless and take my truck away if I ever disrespected him in anyway. I am also sorry to post this message this way but I just wanted it cleared up so that no one thinks I am some punk 23 year old that doesn't respect my elders, Sarge and my mom raised me with manners and respect. This post is not to disrespect anyone or to offend anyone so I am sorry if it does. Well that is all I have to say for now sorry for the rambling on.

Sarge Jr

"Over and Out"

Sarge Jr.
HAAF, GA, USA - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 13:04:53 (ZULU)

Sarge Jr. this is probably one of the few boards that you won't be catching serious shit for your comments about ribbing your dad.

I don't talk for anyone but me, but the way I read your comments was just the way you meant it. A son good naturedly playing with dad. Am I right? That's the way my dad and I are.

I don't post much here, usually cause I don't know as much as most of the guys here, I'll leach the knowledge from the back ground. I've read Dirty Steve for years, and I'm sure will talk for himself, but I pretty much feel like he was playing along with your conversation with dad.

Punks that disrespect their elders don't last too long around here. I've read your dad's comments about you, and I've read your posts here, you'll last.

Thanks for your service. I hope you get everything squared away with the medical problems and paper nightmare. Listen to your elders when they give you advice about that too. :)

Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 13:36:26 (ZULU)

Well over 30 years ago, a few of us kids were teasing an older guy on our construction crew. He laughed louder than the rest of us. When someone asked why he wasn't bothered, he told us that he had had this conversation before; a long time before. The old guy he had hassled laughed and told him to remember the conversation. That guy had had it before too.

So I'll laugh right along with Sarge Jr's banter. I've heard it before. He'll hear it again....;)))

CDC'
Friday, August 3, 2007, at 13:38:13 (ZULU)

Marcs,thanks for the heads up.I talked to Leupold and they say the Chinese fakes are turning up in there repair department on a regular basis.The fakes have silver eching on the bottom of the turrent and the black ring on the objective is eched in white and does not include the name Leupold.They also do not have a medallion.Real Leupolds have black on black lettering and have leupold engraved on the black ring.Great news,mine is the real deal.

Scott S
Key West, FL, U.S.A. - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 14:55:05 (ZULU)

D-Steve.....I read your last comments, and I've been sitting here trying to visualize you in law school. It ain't workin'. Not unless law schools have mascots, or something.....

Sarge Jr. One of the bad things about conversing via the internet is that you can't read tone. I work with the hygenically challenged Esteban on a daily basis. He's just having a conversation, don't get yer panties all balled up. You should hear some of the things we say to each other, then go have dinner. Mainly, we all hope you get your physical and medical affairs straightened out, so you don't wind up looking like us! Most of us older vets walk like lower primates with peg legs due to injury and arthritis. And damn proud of it......

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 15:52:55 (ZULU)

This is worth watching, an Arab psychologist discussing the problem with being Muslim:

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=nul

It's about 5-minutes long, but worth it.

Duman
Friday, August 3, 2007, at 15:59:34 (ZULU)

Sarge Jr, Sorry what I wrote was taken the wrong way. You see we have a bunch of "Pats" here, so we have Pat, Pat II, UnPat. If we get another it will be, "Just Another Pat" I was just making a dismal attempt at humor. Your "Old Man" and I have shared a lot of conversations hear and I don't think he minded one bit about my post. He probably thought it was amussing. I was poking fun at old guys because I am on the verge of hitting that mark in life. I don't have much time left before its me being the old one. For instance the other day I had my elbows on the counter and was attempting to fillout a small Overtime card(3X5). I found myself at the end of this task standing back at arms lenght where I could finally read the darn thing. I make fun of Chuck because he works with me and is older and nothing can change that. So I get to pick on him whenever I see him put on his reading specks. I know I am just around the corner from that but not there just yet. Oh just so you know I was in the Army as well. I served 10 years. In fact Two days ago was 23 years ago I signed my delayed entry documents, I was 21. I am 45 and 6 months now. I am glad you stood up for your Dad when you felt I slighted him. It shows he raised you right. Honoring your mom and dad was written on a things to do list (and not to do) a long time ago. The book it was mentioned in is the most sold book ever. You obviously have read it.

Chuck, I said go to law school. I would probably drop out of there too! It would remind me of that Engineering school I went to. How do they expect you to attend classes with the best Small Mouth bass fishing river just a few miles a way. Plus Grouse covered mountains all around. They should be happy I showed up at all.

DirtySteve........

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 17:05:42 (ZULU)

Sorry double tap

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 17:22:31 (ZULU)

Huh, a triple tap..........

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 17:22:33 (ZULU)

Sarge Jr, Being old has advantages. Thats why our founding fathers made it so you must be of atleast a certain age to become the President. Old folks don't normally rush in to things. They normally get the job done and done right. An example would be what I posted a while back about a young Police Officer chasing a Burglary Suspect almost a mile on foot. Says a bunch for his conditioning, wearing a vest and boots and sll the stuff on the belt.A whole slew of young bucks went to the "rescue". I was several blocks behind and noticed a guy pointing East from the road way. All the officers went by him some baled out of thier cars and ran throught the open field. Me being the old guy pull up and talk to the person pointing. He said, Officer, "He went in that garage." I look for a nice sturdy place to jump (climb over) the fence and proceed in to the garage. I walked to the door and the Officer who had been chasing the guy runs past me and right on in. I look at the floor and see his wet tracks on the floor and say he is right there in the corner. He was jumped on by the young guy. I "explained" to the young turd it was a bad choice to run. He soon agreed not to run again. tHE YOUNG OFFICER ASKED HOW i FOUND HIM SINCE i WORKED ABOUT 5 MILES FROM THE INCIDENT. (sorry about the caps lock) I said all those younguns never stopped to ask the nice man out there what he was pointing at, they just ran out in to the field gettin all hot and tired.

Like the two bulls in the pasture said to each other. Young B, lets run down there and have sex with some of them cows. Old B, Lets walk down and have sex with all of them.

Old wins again..............

DirtySteve..............

dirtysteve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 17:22:34 (ZULU)

Dirty Steve: Being young has it's advantages too. But they're wasted on the young:))

Wife got passes to Packers training camp scrimmage this weekend. So much for shooting. I guess i gotta pack for packerland...

Joe M
Friday, August 3, 2007, at 18:37:21 (ZULU)

Dirty Steve:

Age-related need for reading glasses is typically Loss of Accommodation of the Lens of the Eye - Presbyopia (My arms aren't long enough to read this anymore :-)

I first noticed it happening in dim lighting conditions. My onset was around age 42.

http://www.3-rx.com/presbyopia/default.php

Presbyopia is an eye condition in which the lens loses the ability to focus over time. It then becomes difficult to see small objects, especially close up.

What is going on in the body?

Accommodation is the ability of the lens in the eye to adjust itself for focusing close up. The lens changes from a flat, thin state to a thicker, more curved state to allow a person to see a distant object versus a closer one. In individuals with presbyopia, the lens becomes less flexible. Presbyopia is a natural part of the aging process.

What are the causes and risks of the condition?

Presbyopia usually begins in people starting at about age 45. Normal aging causes changes in the eye that lead to problems with focusing. Only in rare cases is this condition related to other factors. Trauma and certain diseases, especially a contagious disease called diphtheria, may weaken the muscles in the eye.

Some drug stores have racks of different strength reading glasses, a cheap fix is to visit one and find a correction that makes it easy to read small print.

The other issue to be aware of is that bifocals are often prescribed in part to correct for presbyopia. If you get them with the transition in the middle, they're awful to use for shooting pistol!

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 22:19:15 (ZULU)

I think I'll just sit back and watch... this is kinda fun :-)

Sarge
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Friday, August 3, 2007, at 23:38:24 (ZULU)

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Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Saturday, August 4, 2007, at 02:02:02 (ZULU)

Jr.- I hope you realize I was NOT serious when I told you to stop being disrepectful to your pop. I didn't think you were and I was strictly bullshitting you. I thought the "HA" would show the laughing I was actually doing as I typed it but once again the written words on the monitor didn't come out right.

I wish my dad was still around so I could bust his balls some. He was a WWII vet and service rifle competitor. Taught me how to hunt, fish, shoot smallbore and high power and was the best coach I ever had. He passed away about a year after I went into basic training (Ft. Knox) in '89. I never did get over it and I still hear his advice when I'm in the bubble and on target.

I sure liked the way you stood up for your dad and your relationship with him and spoke your mind ;)

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Saturday, August 4, 2007, at 03:14:36 (ZULU)

MK4, others...

The Whittington center is - in fact - self supporting and is a superb place for vacations. I usually stay in my tent trailer in the primitive area and spend the days at the "Sighting in Range."

This year, due to a submarine reunion in San Diego, I'll be staying in one of the "Founder's Retreats" for the weekend (Labor Day weekend) and then driving on out...

I had the distinct pleasure of meeting Andy and Andy's dad at one of the Bald Eagle "F" matches a few years back. A pleasure indeed.

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Saturday, August 4, 2007, at 03:32:35 (ZULU)

Ken,

I have my receipt for my raffle ticket from Paypal (2 July), but I have never received a ticket 'number...' Am I supposed to have one?

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Saturday, August 4, 2007, at 03:35:32 (ZULU)

Travis,Your Right!

"Also, there's some kinda yellow shit in there. Kinda powdery, sorta looks like pollen. I probably just discovered some strain of anthrax that causes you to shit out your liver or something."

The yellowish Pollen like substance is Primer Compound Residue!

If you accumulate enough of it and it goes off you'll sh+t alright.LOL

Don't ask how I know! Remmy 5-1/2's if I recall.

Lee has warnings not to use certain brands of primers in their

Frag Priming tool.

Some makes of primers bleed more compound than others.

High volume machines accumulate more of this dust just because of the way they operate i.e. more jerky motion and vibration.

Federals are the cleanest,since they started putting paint on the open ends.

Keep the works clean ,including the primer tubes with Damp Q-Tips and

damp cloths. Anti Static Fluid works great.

DRY Everything throughly!!

Dispose of the Explosive residue properly !!

YMMV

Regards,

Joisey Steve

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, US of A - Saturday, August 4, 2007, at 12:05:34 (ZULU)

Yeah.....many,many moons ago, when I was a young, aspiring UniBomber, I discovered that mercuric oxide and fulminate of mercury do not react similarly to heat. Good lesson, if a little loud. Several years later, I dug the last piece of glass out of my hand. The original alchemists were brave sonsabeeches.....

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Saturday, August 4, 2007, at 17:26:55 (ZULU)

SIG 556

Customer brought it back yesterday so I could add an EOTech. After boresighting we walked out back to the range and ran about 50 rounds thru it. The trigger is indeed nice and the gun is of typical SIG quality. The front sight is quite sturdy; but the rear seems a bit fragile. It is set down into the rail and you have to dig it out with your finger nail or a knife. It's actually a pretty neat idea. For any use other than a play toy I would add a BUIS that was a lot stronger. Just after we finished shooting I smelled burning leaves. Wondered what idiot was burning, because it's so hot and dry, when I saw flames off to the rear of the range!! The idiot was me! Don't know if it was a spark from a steel core or if one of the rounds was a tracer. Luckily it only burned about 20 yds. by 30 yds. Our Volunteer Fire Dept. put it out in a big hurry. Nice bunch of guys. Offered them cold "adult beverages"; but they declined.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The hot & hazy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Saturday, August 4, 2007, at 22:20:20 (ZULU)

Chuck,

Re: Aspiring unibomber; When I finally had to prescription shooting glasses, I got Ray Ban aviators in black. With my mustache, my wife tells me I look like the unibomber. When we were at Lowe's, I looked up at the monitor they put over the checkout so you can watch yourself rob them and, sure enough, I do!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, August 5, 2007, at 01:07:18 (ZULU)

Repost of Duman's MEMRI link. This lady has more grit than any of us.

CDC'
Sunday, August 5, 2007, at 13:53:14 (ZULU)

Speaking of glasses and shooting. This might be simple to some of you, but helpful to others.

I was at the VA this last year for a physical and my primary doc wanted me to visit the eye doc and have a current check up. He said Jim your eyes are fine. You will never need glasses to drive, but you have the old farts eye condition and will need some reading glasses. I told him, yeah Doc I have been using them for years. He said well I can give you a new pair from the VA. I said to him that I have plenty of them at home, but could he help me with a problem.

I told him I was a pistol shooter and was having a hard time getting a perfectly clear front sight. With my luck, he was a pistol guy too, and understood. He said where do you want that focus point at? I told him how about 4 to 5 inches off my fist when my arm is extended. so he adjusted his equipment and we did it.

I have not seen the nicks and scratches on my Glock's front sight so well since I owned it. After we did that little test he told me I could do the same thing at Wal-mart. My new presiciption is 125 for pistol shooting. I use 250 for reading. Just go to the store and back off the required distance for you front sight and go through the different prescriptions and find the one that is clearer for you. They normally have some small words there for you to read.

I keep them in my shooting bag and if I am going to shoot steel plates or something else that really requires good front sight focus I slip them on. It makes a big difference for me.

Semper Fi,

Finger

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Sunday, August 5, 2007, at 16:27:13 (ZULU)

I have finely run out of my large secrete hidden stash of "Micro-Bed", and there is no more :(((

I use Brownell's "Steel Bed" for Kevlar and match stocks, but I'm looking for a brown bedding compound for wood sporting stocks.

Anyone have a recommendation??

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, August 5, 2007, at 19:22:05 (ZULU)

Lito re: brown epoxy bedding

Suggest getting some of the Acraglass dye from Brownells and use your favourite epoxy.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1046&s=1046

I'm assuming there would not be a compatability issue with epoxy-du-jour.

As for selection of epoxy for bedding:

Based on recommendations by others, I've used Lepage Epoxy Steel.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, August 5, 2007, at 20:44:48 (ZULU)

Hi Rod...

I tried dying the "Steel Bed" from Brownell's and it't won't take the color (just a tiny bit)... the powdered steel overwhelms it.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 01:56:48 (ZULU)

sorry 'Lito:

Another wonderful idea destroyed by reality again :-(

Perhaps try a different epoxy that will take the dye better. I assume that isn't your first choice, but your first choice seems to impose a problematic constraint.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 02:17:16 (ZULU)

I made it through hip surgery and hernia surgery/vasectomy without pain med's at home, but when a disc touched my spinal cord "pain" grabbed a whole new gear.

I'm now on Fentanyl because after a week with no sleep I get ...grumpy ; ) And Fentanyl doesn't give you that doped-up feeling. It does give motion-sickness like a bitch though.

Good video on Lima Co. Jarhead nephew#1 was in Kilo, he's back for his third tour.

Bedding compound, whats wrong with Accraglass gel?

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 03:16:16 (ZULU)

Anyone get any shooting done this weekend. I was tempted to shoot my chainsaw so I could get some done but my wife knows I have a spare saw.

Old Guy country, We have a retired Air Farce guy here with a few optical shops. If you bring your gun it bagged and tell him what you want he will have you pull out the gun and get you glasses right. I haven't needed his service yet but I know it's coming so I tuck that kind of info way for future use.

No Help from me on bedding. Just don it once so I don't know crap.

DirtySteve...

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 03:37:32 (ZULU)

Re: Shooting glasses:

My handgun shooting has gone completely to shit, despite practice. I can focus on my front sight, my back sight, or my tagrget, but no two at one time. Sucks ass. I was finally getting pretty good.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 05:00:48 (ZULU)

Travis:

Focus on your front sight, let everything else fuzz out.

Optically your eye can only sharply focus on any one plane (item) at a time. Younger folks think they can focus on more than one thing at a time because their focusing speed is so fast. As you age that is one of the abilities that degrades.

I've worn glasses since my teens, and only got involved with the shooting game at age 30. I've never had the sensation of perceiving more than one plane in sharp focus with iron sights.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 05:50:31 (ZULU)

Great. I'm 30, with a gut , a bad back, and gray hair, then ANOTHER part of my body craps out on me.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 06:43:44 (ZULU)

re: BATFE attacks on FFL's -

link to story and other links on the Red's Gun Shop saga

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56389

extract:

"And he noted a family gun business that had been operation in Baltimore, Md., for years was attacked because of the "wanton, repeated crime" of abbreviating Baltimore as "Blto" on the "teeny, tiny spaces on the forms provided by the teeny, tiny little minds." "

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 11:53:22 (ZULU)

Glasses country

For handgunning I had a friend/Optomatrist(sp?) put a small bifocal cut in the top left corner of the right lens of a pair of RayBan shooting glasses just right of the bridge of my nose. The main part of the lens allows me to see bullet holes again at 25yds and to focus on the front sight I just dip my head and look thru the special grind of the bifocal. Took a 1911 to his office to get the focal length right. Took a couple of tries to get the positioning right but it surely has made a difference and was worth the money and trouble. Read about this years ago somewhere.

outa here

markwell
the Alleghenies, WV, - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 12:58:54 (ZULU)

Undude,

Hope everything is going well in Mrs. Undude's recovery.

Lito,

Dying bedding compound - Grecian formula? DOH! :8-p

CDC', yes, that woman has cajones most people could only dream of. Now the world needs several thousand more, just like her.

Duman
Monday, August 6, 2007, at 14:53:11 (ZULU)

I didn't think the eye thing was a new problem. I guess you just don't pay attention to it much until you join the club. It was intersting to hear the different ways some have solved it.

Anyway, I am just happy to see my front sight clearly again.

S/F

Finger

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 14:53:58 (ZULU)

Wow,That is either the smartest woman,or the dumbest woman I have heard speak.After a public announcement like that,I can only wonder how many steps out of the T.V. studio she took.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi., USA - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 15:52:35 (ZULU)

Lito',Try here.

http://www.muzzleloaderbuilderssupply.com/buildernotes/beddingepoxies.html

Regards,

Joisey Steve

Steven Dzupin
Gaithersburg, MaryLand, US of A - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 17:10:42 (ZULU)

'Lito,

Bisonite used to come in a brown..

JR
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland United Kingdom - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 19:10:04 (ZULU)

An artist with a brain. Click my name... work safe

medicjim
Monday, August 6, 2007, at 20:34:55 (ZULU)

A Flight Nurse friend of mine died in a plane crash last night along with his paramedic, pilot, a 15 month old patient and the patients mother.

Remeber them in your prayers!

Sarge

Sarge
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 21:15:10 (ZULU)

JR...

Best that I can find is that Bisonite now only comes in Aluminum and steel.

I think that I will give up this search and bed everything in Steel Bed.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 22:34:13 (ZULU)

Some thought's from some ol' guys!!

Nothing short of amazing how these men expressed themselves!!!!

---

Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at the individual discretion, in private self-defense." John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787-88

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." Samuel Adams, During the Massachusetts U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788

"Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust God it will forever remain, in the hands of the people." Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, Feb 20, 1788

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." Tench Coxe, in "Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution." Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined. The great object is that every man be armed. Every man who is able may have a gun." Patrick Henry, During Virginia's ratification convention, 1788

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776, Jefferson Papers 344

"And what country can preserve it's liberties, if the rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take up arms. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson, Letter to William S. Smith, 1787

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage then to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On Crimes and Punishment", 1764

"The Constitution of most of our states, and the United States, assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves: that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press." Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776

"A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves and include all men capable of bearing arms. To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." Richard Henry Lee, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights. Additional Letters From the Federal Farmer 53, 1788

"The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation where the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." James Madison, The Federalist No. 46

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of people, trained in arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." James Madison, I Annuals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789)

"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason, during Virginia's ratification convention, 1788

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 22:35:55 (ZULU)

For the youngins.

62 Years ago today the 1st Tatical Nuclear Weapon was dropped on

Hiroshima Japan 6 August,1945.

Joisey

Steven Dzupin
Gaithersburg, Mary Land, US of A - Monday, August 6, 2007, at 23:19:39 (ZULU)

Not to quibble, but it was really used for strategic purposes (To force the surrender of Japan). It was the biggest class of nuke they had at the time.

Fascinating reading:

The Making of the Atomic Bomb by Richard Rhodes

Dark Sun: The Making of the Hydrogen Bomb by Richard Rhodes

available as low-cost used paperbacks thru AMAZON.COM sellers

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, August 7, 2007, at 01:45:58 (ZULU)

Sarge,

Prayers sent sir!

'lito,

Your post brought back some fond memories of my American History class in High School. Damn shame they don't teach American History in school anymore....

Bobby Whittington
Grandfield, Oklahoma, USA - Tuesday, August 7, 2007, at 03:49:55 (ZULU)

Some time back I was checking the wishsites on scopes. Ended up writing a long rant to Redfield about the features on the Redfield/Weaver scopes with respects to the needs of folks like us.

Got a short note the end of last week from the Marketing Director of Redfield. Look for many beneficial changes in the summer of '08.

'Lito-I've used the original Acra-Glas per directions without the steel without problems. The Gel does need the steel or aluminum powder for maximum stability. Is it just me or does making the bedding match the wood seem a bit picky when you can't see the stuff?

WR Moore
Tuesday, August 7, 2007, at 04:03:38 (ZULU)

Bedding Country

Pro-Bed 2000 - Comes in black or brown

http://www.scorehi.com/

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Tuesday, August 7, 2007, at 05:34:31 (ZULU)

There is a really cool assault weapon on eBay right now. It's worth a look. I Promise!

http://cgi.ebay.com/bullet-knife-gun-shell-brass-reload-weapon-assault-swat_W0QQitemZ170136134592QQihZ007QQcategoryZ73953QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

LATER Y'ALL

Jody Calhoun
Saraland, AL-Heart of Dixie, USA - Tuesday, August 7, 2007, at 07:16:59 (ZULU)

Bobby...

>"'lito, Your post brought back some fond memories of my American History class in High School. Damn shame they don't teach American History in school anymore...."<

I complained to the Rat's school that he knew nothing about the Civil War (War of Northern Aggression), WW-I, WW-II, Korea, or Viet Nam, and he didn't know who Hitler, Stalin, or Mussolini was...

... and the little shits told me:

"That was such a dark period in "our" history. We want "our" children to move forwards into a new world with positive attitudes about resolving disagreements. Having bigger bombs and guns doesn't make a country right, you know."

Why, it's so... you know, so... like "touchie feelie - (Gag me with a spoon, dudes!!!)

WR Moore...

>"Is it just me or does making the bedding match the wood seem a bit picky when you can't see the stuff?"<

Can't see the stuff... Waddya mean, can't see the see the stuff??

How do you hide the extra bedding material that dribbles out of the top of the stock and runs down the sides, unless it's the same color as the wood ;)

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, August 7, 2007, at 14:45:35 (ZULU)

Is this the end of our Constitution? My cousin in Texas is about to lose his land to this super highway. Seems NAFTA wants to make us one nation with the Amero replacing the dollar. The video is long, but please watch all of it. Video was made for Canadians, but applies to us.

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2006/aug06/06-08-23.html

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/PatrickJBuchanan/2006/08/29/the_nafta_super_highway

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=North_American_Union#2005

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1355300745194023737

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmFrYWPoG8

http://amerocurrency.com/

HDR
OK, - Tuesday, August 7, 2007, at 16:59:38 (ZULU)

The link under my name refers to a base where I spent some time. My "job" at the time was to evaluate ad-hoc unit's actual operations in the field so that the training base could put the right pieces into them (ad-hoc means that we built capabilities from pieces of other units)--and so that we could train them better for the actual no-shit job they were doing. Yeah, I wrote lengthy-ass reports with tabs and indicies. But the data gathering made it overall fun...

But while I was out and about observing, my partner and I noticed other problems. Security sucked ass here and there. I usually had good luck with recommending changes to the CO...but this particular base didn't give a shit. So I took pictures...and briefed a flag officer.

Looks like they made some changes:))

This attack 15 months ago would have had a different outcome.

Security was my pet peave. It is a principle, not an option.

Lito: Take it to Lowe's and have them match the paint to the stock. I sawz the commercial on TeeeeVeeeeeee!

Joe M
Tuesday, August 7, 2007, at 19:23:26 (ZULU)

Joe:

Thank-you for your service and specifically for "doing the right thing" despite local commander's resistance.

They say that failure is an orphan and success has a thousand parents. I would say you were the granddaddy of that success!

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, August 7, 2007, at 22:14:03 (ZULU)

I hate it when somebody calls me out of the blue wanting to bring some guns over to sell to me at a good price. This time it was a Rem 742 in 308, a Savage Model 755 and a Rem Sportsman 58. All three are in pretty good shape and haven't been shot in a long while. Guy wants 4 bills for all 3. Hell, I haven't even heard of the two shotties and heard bad to worse things about the 742. If anybody has an opinion or three let me know.

I would be posting more but that damn jungle of a garden in my back yard is kicking my and girlfriend's butts. Will be back to normal (whatever the hell that is) in a couple of weeks or after this heat wave cooks the vegetables on the vines.

Still haven't gotten my pistol raffle number or confirmation yet.....

Bolt out!

Bolt
NC, - Wednesday, August 8, 2007, at 02:07:06 (ZULU)

Shotgun country:

I have a Norinco clone of a Rem 870 with Cdn "civilian" legal 14" brl. (Cdn rules are different from US in this specific area). The bead-equipped barrel is likely irreplacable, so I'm looking at slug sighting options that don't involve "serious" modifications to the barrel.

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/N870-14.00.shtm

That leads me to looking at dot optical sights mounted on the receiver. The Eotech that uses AA batts (mdl 512.A65/1) and the Aimpoint Micro T-1 look interesting (if expensive).

http://www.eotech-inc.com/lawe_hwsmodels.php

http://www.aimpoint.com/products/aimpoint_product_lines/aimpoint_micro_t-1

That in turn leads me to looking at Weaver/Picatinny rail receiver mount kits (512 and T-1 need same). I can find the Aimtech sleeve, but that seems too much of a good thing, and would preclude a side-saddle or speed loader option using the same pins.

Does anyone know of a "simple" Weaver/Picatinny rail mount for an 870? (Reasonable drill and tap is ok). Web searches against Brownells came up dry. Googling produces too many false hits.

TIA

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, August 8, 2007, at 02:28:28 (ZULU)

Bolt;

I think that is a great deal. It'd be all over it.

Jody Calhoun
Saraland, AL-Heart of Dixie, USA - Wednesday, August 8, 2007, at 03:22:08 (ZULU)

Bolt,

Sounds like a good deal to me. The only problem 742's I've run into were .30-06. The two shotguns are fine for hunting guns. That package should bring at least $700 minimum around here.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Wednesday, August 8, 2007, at 05:27:32 (ZULU)

Looking to start reloading for my rifle (308). What components would you buy outright knowing that you do not want to upgrade later be it new or used. I am not looking at a reloading machine but single stage loading press with its associated accessories. What would be a good price for it. I am hopping to find one used in excellent condition. In addition, where would you recommend one to purchase bulk bullets, powder, and primer. I have plenty of spent brass from years of shooting. What type of powder would one recommend and primer. My goal is to replicate and improve on the Federal 175 grain Sierra Boat Tail bullet.

On a different note, does anyone have any information on a Standard Arm pump action rifle from around 1910? On the trigger guard has a stamp of 94 on it.

Darren

Semper Fi

85-90

Darren
Bay Area, CA, USA - Wednesday, August 8, 2007, at 14:20:33 (ZULU)

Mailbox Country:

The old man that taught me to re-load stayed here during WWII teaching folks how to shoot .45s when all of his classmates fought in the Pacific. The old fart can shoot.

Kids kept shooting the mailbox and his wife kept after him and kept after him to put up a new one. Drove him nuts because he said the kids were just going to shoot it up again.

So she buys one with these pretty little ducks and shit on it and he puts it up. She is bragging on it and he says oh yeah, forgot somethin"

Grabs the Clark .45 and empties the mag into it ...

NOW she's finished! ... turns around and goes back inside.

Old people crack me up.

Back to my snippers ... OUT

PS: Hope Momma's fine Mikey.

brian k. sain
Wednesday, August 8, 2007, at 14:34:59 (ZULU)

Americansnipers.org pistol raffle update:

Well, Stan Chen, Chuck Rogers and Don Williams having processed 4TC1s ("For The Close Ones") through their respective shops so expediently, I am trying to speed things along here too.... the grip safety (Wilson) is fitted. I have fitted a second trigger, so between the medium and short ones the new owner should be covered; same with the thumb safeties, one ambi and one not (80% fitted at this time).

The two original magazines and the three Tripp 7-rounders provided by Tripp Research, I have TIG'd the floor plates on and trimmed the welds off. This is just a knock-proofing measure.

Last night I got the Dawson Rail on. I never felt that three 6-32 screws was the best possible mounting for these, as 32 threads per inch is pretty coarse when a screw is that small. In my toolmaking days, I never used 6-32 since that is about the easiest tap to break and the screws are not as strong for their size as, say, a 5-40 or 8-32. On guns, finer threads are better, especially in a this area like the dust cover.... in the past I've screwed and silver-brazed these rails on, which is a good solution but a lot of work. What I've been doing most recently, and what I've done on 4TC1s, is to go from 6-32's to 8-36's (only because I could not find 8-40's). I get them good and tight, leaving them protruding into the inside of the dust cover, then I peen the end of the screw over before trimming it off. Very strong and the screws "ain't going nowhere". The rail was rocking a little bit on the dustcover surface and I did not want to stress anything when I torqued it down so I spotted it in with Prussian blue.

Starting on sights today. I will install the rear and use the original front for initial test firing, so that I know just where the new front sight needs to be. That way I don't get any surprises like having to live with a front sight that is too high or too low.

The plunger tube has been TIG'd in place. It also "ain't going nowhere", at least not without the rest of the gun Laughing

Chuck was kind enough to Golfball a Nowlin mag release for me, to match his front and backstrap work. I usually use the Nowlin part here because it's good quality and comes with the spring and catch lock, although they use a very weak spring and I always replace it with a Colt or Wilson part. They are slightly extended which makes them good for applying a different pattern as in this case.

Oh yeah-- I have also textured the back of the slide and three extractors, and the extractors are numbered and serial-matched to the pistol.

And-- SureFire has confirmed that the package now includes an X200 light!

http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/pgrfnbr/516/sesent/00

So-- the all-inclusive list of industry supporters on this:

http://www.dakotaammo.net/products/corbon/dpx.htm

http://www.vzgrips.com

http://www.trippresearch.com

http:/www.nossargunleather.com

http://www.centermassinc.com

http://www.safariland.com/index2.asp

http://www.egw-guns.com/

http://www.black-hills.com

http://www.starlightcases.com

http://www.wilsoncombat.com

http://www.nossargunleather.com

http://www.barsto.com

http://www.striketactical.com

http://www.brownells.com

http://www.chrisreeve.com/greenberet.htm

http://www.leupold.com/tactical/products/binoculars/

http://www.fnhusa.com/

http://www.dawsonprecision.com

http://www.surefire.com

Tickets are only $10 each-- come and get 'em!

_________________

LTW #4 raffle is on-- http://www.pistolraffle.com

Ned Christiansen
3R, MI, USA - Wednesday, August 8, 2007, at 16:34:50 (ZULU)

Rod: The a-stan thing has a good-news, bad-news sorta command presense. In most cases, the outlying bases are too remote for a GO to drive into--and the weather makes air trans spotty (could spend days stuck in place--no GO can afford that). So, you are on your own. Mostly, that is a good thing. But on the smaller bases, you end up with a younger CO or an inexperienced guy. lack of oversight could be a problem with this type. This too can be OK if the CO in question has a good NCO or three who he is willing to listen to. But in the case mentioned, this guy was a Type-A with an IQ at room temp who "could do no wrong on his own." His CSM actually asked us to help fix things since he had been rebuffed.

In this case, I was merely a messenger...certainly not a player in success!

Often, the rapid change-over of units self-corrects these problems. But that course of action relies on "hope", eh?

Joe M
Wednesday, August 8, 2007, at 17:03:31 (ZULU)

Interesting article about China's financial clout thru treasury holdings (click name). It appears to be a threat over protectionist rantings of certain demos in congress. Well, when you think about the largest (by far) market for their exports--it is kinda funny. Emotions on both sides---our congress and their retalitory crowd could crash the global economy. That would be fun to watch. Of course, in the long run US manufacturing is the big, early winner during a recovery. A depressed dollar sends our stuff on it's way cheaper. And, as if you forgot--we are STILL the world's largest exporter even now. Imbalances are a country-specific thing. Globally, we rule (for a minute or two).

Fun to watch??? You betcha! No pain, no gain! A dollar in freefall will cripple Iran and Venezuala. We'll have inflation across the board, anddefaults out the ass, worsening our position. But the world at large will take it much harder in the shorts. Our liberal cities will feel the pinch the hardest, and agri-markets will weather rather well (relatively speaking, that is). In all, the social upheaval could lead to better days...

Reckless politicos and unintended consequnces. For once, I say go for it...

But China is bluffing and they know it.

Joe M
Wednesday, August 8, 2007, at 19:44:30 (ZULU)

Darren,

I'm still very much a rookie myself but here's what I'd recommend based on what I've learned from listening in to these guys:

Redding Big Boss press for about a hundred and twenty bucks.

I've been using the Type S bushing FL resizer with Comp seater and I like them but they're all I've used. I think they are a little over a hundred bucks for the set of two dies.

Redding 3BR powder measure and you might want the pistol metering chamber too for maybe 150 bucks and get the trickler too.

Lyman Pro 500 scale with the magnetic dampeners and agate bearings for about 45 bucks.

The 175 Sierra Match King works well with 44 grains of Varget and Fed 210 primers. That's the load I've heard mentioned the most so that's what I started with and it's all I've used. Mike Miller said something about a 155 Scenar load that works very well but I forget the exact recipe.

I buy so much stuff all the time I think I'm still way behind on what ammo costs me per round but I'll catch up eventually. I don't enjoy it but I like being able to control the little variables and being able to shoot high performance loads like the 115 DTACs in my .243.

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Wednesday, August 8, 2007, at 22:12:26 (ZULU)

Red's Trading Post now has an online poll. Here are the questions:

What do you think should happen to the ATF?

1. Keep it as it is

2. Turn its duties over to the FBI

3. Establish another reform act

4. Abolish the ATF

Here's your chance to vote.

http://redstradingpost.blogspot.com/

or click my name.

Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Wednesday, August 8, 2007, at 22:48:07 (ZULU)

MK4: Ya know, it is a strange situation when the government (or a certain agency within) backs off their harassment complaint in district court when WND picked up Red's story. The tactics looked childish, petty and worse---intimidating to a citizen exercising constitutionally protected rights. That it took a public flashlight shining in a dark corner to back them off is telling in and of itself. Just how bad is it when public disclosure of government actions against said government's citizens is said to be harassment by this very government???

I feel "ranty" today.

Joe M
Wednesday, August 8, 2007, at 23:14:46 (ZULU)

Joe,

Didja happen to notice how many times that the DOJ had hit their website...just for today?

Methinks that there's more than a few congressmen and Senators taking notice..and this...close to an election.

That flashlight must be warming things up. <g>

I'm hoping this turns out to be another "Zumbo."

Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Thursday, August 9, 2007, at 00:36:32 (ZULU)

"That it took a public flashlight shining in a dark corner to back them off..."

Cockroaches?

Duman
Thursday, August 9, 2007, at 01:24:34 (ZULU)

Ned Christiansen, Ken Hunter...

>>>Tickets are only $10 each-- come and get 'em!<<<

I purchased my ticket for "$25.00" on 2 July 2007.

I STILL have not received a ticket number... If I don't win - expected - how do I know if I don't have a ticket number?????

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Thursday, August 9, 2007, at 03:29:47 (ZULU)

Click.

Interesting biopic. Y'all should check this out, just because it's kinda interesting. Even the dude with the shotgun in the bucket.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, August 9, 2007, at 07:51:51 (ZULU)

Bolt,

Don`t know about the others, but I`ve limited experience with the 742 in 30.06. Did some work on one for a friend. It wouldn`t consistantly extract. Rifle chamber was extrememly rough and bolt face extractor "clip" suckie very much. Don`t know if a new one would have cleared it up or not. Rifle didn`t have many rounds through it but still it refused to extract reliably. Very nice to shoot and reasonably accurate. I was drilling claybirds off-hand at 300 with open sights, and that`s pretty good for me. He still wasn`t satisfied and sold it. Couldn`t depend on it.

Not an actual smithe. Don`t play one on tv either. Just my .02

Steve Racer
somewhere in Dillsburg, PA, - Thursday, August 9, 2007, at 16:25:11 (ZULU)

Steve Racer:

Just for future reference - polishing the chamber can help w/extraction, depending on how rough it is. Deep notched dowel with a strip of emery cloth mounted driven slowly by a cordless drill is one of several methods to polish.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, August 9, 2007, at 22:17:43 (ZULU)

Rem.742...rough chamber is rough chamber regardless of the action type...cartridge is irrelevant. If the piece is in good shape and doesn't have the rough chamber syndrome, should run fine.

Different topic/question: In everyone's humble opinion, what is the most temperature INsensitive BALL powder suitable for the 5.56x45 with 55-60 gr. bullets. Needless to say, temp. extremes here are the norm...between plus 100 and minus 30. Need to load a bunch of 223's on a Dillon and looking for suitable powder.

Steve

SteveinButte
Butte, Mt, USA - Thursday, August 9, 2007, at 22:22:25 (ZULU)

Everyone just wanted to update y'all on my MEB process. My dictation was signed on Tuesday and sent off to Fort Sam Houston, TX on Wednesday and I should have my findings back by Tuesday. I will let everyone know the results as soon as I know.

Sarge Jr.

Over and Out

Sarge Jr.
HAAF, GA, USA - Thursday, August 9, 2007, at 23:33:28 (ZULU)

SteveinButte:

re: good temperature range 5.56x45 loadings for 55-60g.

How about using Varget in a powder measure that doesn't choke it, rather than playing the ball/spherical powder card?

I have used the Lee double-disk kit to load that cartridge w/Varget and been pleased with the result.

My main powder for that cartridge is IMR4896 (which I think of as IMR4895SC), but the mfgr didn't choose to offer that as a cannister-grade powder - too bad. I acquired a part of a keg from a friend who got a sample from one of the early test production runs of the product. I'll be sad when I use my stocks of that up.

You might be able to run the Lee Perfect Powder Measure product on the Dillon, and it will meter anything.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, August 10, 2007, at 02:37:59 (ZULU)

All -- I finally got to setup a sort of script to fire out all the pistol raffle ticket holder info - to the respective email addresses. Some of ya -- well - got double tapped - LOL... sorry about that. The 2nd series of messages (for those that got two) are squared away. All ticket holders (so far) that purchased tix thru 08/04 - should have their tickets in their Inbox shortly. We'll probably do another run this weekend... Ticket count is up to around 730 or so (counting new unregistered purchases).....

take care all

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Friday, August 10, 2007, at 03:25:44 (ZULU)

Joe M: You have incoming via USPS Priority.

Charles Hunt: Yours will be on the way soon. This new job I have SUCKS ass. Don't have time for s%$&! Sorry it's taken me so long.

Joe

Joe Ducos
Turlock, CA, USA - Friday, August 10, 2007, at 05:33:05 (ZULU)

Update from Red's Trading Post:

WND ARTICLE AND THE MYSTERIOUS 2001 INSPECTION

I just was notified World Net Daily has written another article on our case:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57074

The article mentions the 2001 inspection in which there were no violations found, in fact this is the same audit that Judge Lodge wrote in granting our preliminary injunction:

“the ATF speaks of violations found during the inspections of 2000 and 2005, but fails to reveal that additional investigations in 2001 and 2007 revealed no violations or problems.”

Following this they ATF magically produced violations despite not presenting any violations to us during or after the audit, despite never signing anything (which we have to do) and despite seeing the Inspector later that night at Chili's while my wife and I were out to dinner with my parents. The inspectors had just left that day and gave no indication that they were done but when we saw the Inspector that night at dinner and asked him if they were coming back, he proclaimed that they were done.

I hope our Congressional Delegates continue to keep a close watch this. I know I joke alot about what is going on but this is very serious. They have lied, perjured, produced fictitious violations, attempted to put a stop to our First Amendment, cyberstalked us and others who speak out, harassed customers of ours, slandered my name and character , wasted tax payers money, tied up the courts and have attempted to bankrupt us by through a war of attrition for what boils down to a .4% clerical errors in a 2005 inspection that the ATF must prove that we committed "willfully"

------

Now.....go watch a very interesting video about the ATF.

http://redstradingpost.blogspot.com/2007/08/have-you-seen-gang-yet.html

Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Friday, August 10, 2007, at 14:47:10 (ZULU)

Rod Reiger,

Thanks, that`s kinda what I did. I actually had two wire brushes, one stiff and one somewhat less stiff, and ground them on a bench grinder with the brushes chucked in my hand drill. I was able to gage the diameter and keep them concentric using the grinder rest to steady the drill while the wheel removed material. I then mounted the brushes to a 1/8" diameter wire spring and chucked the whole thing in the drill and was able to access the chamber through the ejection port by bending the spring and inserting the rotating brush into the chamber. I didn`t have an accurate way to measure progress and didn`t want to remove any material, so the stiff brushes gave me a kind of knurled cross-hatch uniform finish. First the stiff one, then the not so stiff one, then finished up with a piece of leather on a dowell with some lapping compound, then just leather and light oil. The results were pretty nice and I suspect the dimention hadn`t changed practically at all. The spent cases no longer had the pronounced rings and scarrs. I think a rechamber job would have been betterer but he didn`t want to put any money into it. It worked fine for me but he said it didn`t for him. Same ammo too. Who knows. Maybe he was limp shouldering it ; )

Steve Racer
somewhere in Dillsburg , PA, USA - Saturday, August 11, 2007, at 02:29:20 (ZULU)

Steve in Butte;

Ramshot powders are ball powders but not as temperature sensitive as traditional ball powders. I don't believe they are as stable as stick powders though. They do meter quite well and are not all that expensive.

Jody Calhoun
Saraland, AL-Heart of Dixie, USA - Saturday, August 11, 2007, at 05:53:10 (ZULU)

Ammo prices going up; click my name.

Funny thing: Earlier I went to my local sports retailer and got into this same discussion with a young clerk and a much older fellow retiree. They sorta knew the wars drove ammo prices up---but couldn't understand why it was "across the board" and not just the military calibers. I explained the commodity aspect (powders all come from the same basic ingredients, copper is copper,and brass is brass regardless of how big it gets down the production line). Plus, China is switching to a new caliber at the same time...so the raw materials are getting bid up. There ya go...and about ten minutes ago I found this link:))

Oh, and while there, I did add a 5" 629 classic to the collection. It sat there for months (I've been eyeing it), and the second price cut was irresistable. This is a newer model (lightly used, heheh) with the draw bar feature. I'm still looking for a 4" model 629-5 (or newer) with the hammer spur and no "mountain" cut down. dang, these are hard to find at the price I just paid:))

Just for giggles, I played with a shortie-barrel 329 side by side with that 5" full-lugged gun. My non-calibrated hand registered what seemed like "half" the weight. I bet that balsa-wood model smithie just HURTS. I wonder who buys them???

Joe M
Saturday, August 11, 2007, at 07:39:45 (ZULU)

"Who knows. Maybe he was limp shouldering it" LOL!

JoeM, good article. I love the line "The baby needs milk. The car needs gas. The gun needs bullets."

What new round are the Chinese developing? Any specs available?

duman
Saturday, August 11, 2007, at 14:04:26 (ZULU)

Joe:

If you like wheelguns you should look at the 625 :-)

The 5" 629's are nice, it's on my wishlist somewhere. It would be higher if the anti-gun politician in Canada weren't making noises about needing a ban on civilian ownership of handguns. Fortunately, current Federal party in power is resisting so far. They are even quoting the failed earlier similar experiments along those lines in the UK and Australia.

Because of that uncertainty, I've been focusing more on long gun acquisitions and enhancements in the last few years. I've even shot a few local 800 meter matches in F-class using my semi-custom Savage 110 in .308 Win. I'm using "factory duplication" handload with 155g molyed Scenars, Lapua brass, Varget and WLR primers. Still have much to learn about reading and compensating for "conditions".

http://www.lapua.com/information/products/caliber/sport-shooting-cartridges-ccf-rifle/308-win-7-62x51/imperial/zoom/

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, August 11, 2007, at 19:50:56 (ZULU)

Duman: The 5.8 x 42 mm chinese round--not exactly "new" since it was developed ~87 or so---is being widely fielded with the QBZ95-family rifles in the last four years to all army units, police and other security elements throughout China. The army units that marched into Hong Kong after the Britt lease expired carried this rifle, but they were the early recipients. It's like our fielding of the M16A2---we started this in the early-mid 80s---and Nat'l Guard units still showed up to Iraqi freedom with A1s. This switch for us merely involved a projectile switch from 55 to 62 grains--the chinese moved fom 7.62x39 to an all-new dimensioned case. And they are "dumping" their old stuff on countries we don't like, rather than recycling the materials.

Also, they have a "heavy" and "light" version of this cartridge--the heavier projectile is designated for their SAW and DM weapons...

click my name for a brief read on their DM rifle.

Bravo: The ground work for an economic "perfect storm" is laid out if any country(s) had the balls to seize on it. By itself this sub-prime slide is a blip on the market...but combined with an OPEC production cut and a China sell-off of US treasuries---well, all hell would break loose. We'd certainly test the thin veneer of our social fabric:)) But, as goes the US, so goes the rest of the world ahead of her! High or low, the US Dollar is the gold standard for the world. That is why the various psychos around the planet cannot pull the trigger on an economic bomb. Our dollars fund their psychosis--and they freakin' know it.

Joe M
Saturday, August 11, 2007, at 20:31:51 (ZULU)

Speaking of the Chinese...click my name for an Orwellian security net. I love the incentive: Get one of these cards or get nothing from us. The state monopoly on healthcare, education, services (including energy) kinda makes this a non-choice. BTW, sound familiar? Hillarycare anyone???

Nuthin' personal, but I really do not want any of youz funding my healthcare or bailing out my mortgage or anything else involving my life. This article depicts exactly why I am against such hand outs from the government--what strings get attached are subject to change on a whim. At a very early point down the socialist road--you have no options but to accept the shackles. This is one argument against, to say nothing about the obvious loss of quality in such government run programs....

Heheh: The polls suggest that many folks feel the country is moving in the wrong direction (yeah--it is always that simply put). The newsies read this as meaning GWB is at fault for this or that. Ha! Maybe it is the slide toward socialized meds et-al that has folks worried, eh?

Joe M
Saturday, August 11, 2007, at 21:20:18 (ZULU)

Joe,

Only problem with the dollar is there is no objective standard to measure it by ( not species based). The only thing backing it is the American taxpayers willingness to pay. If that confidence ever fails then we go down the tube like a turd in a blender.... Just a thought for ya.

Have a good un'

Calvin

BTW China could really screw us with all the paper they are holding on us... Good thing they are greedy

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Sunday, August 12, 2007, at 01:35:43 (ZULU)

Speaking of "almost new" magnums, click for video of a series of guys firing a .577 Tyrannosaur.

CDC'
Sunday, August 12, 2007, at 06:14:09 (ZULU)

And the companion vid of someone actually prepared for the brutality of the 577...click da name. I guess if you do everything right the first time, there will never be any need for a follow up shot. That is just as well, as it doesn't appear that a follow up is remotely possible!!!

Joe D: Got it today; and thank you very much. I have the stickers and the plate---but not this! Instant favorite! I like the blackrifle one, too. Talk to ya soon.

Joe M
Sunday, August 12, 2007, at 07:02:32 (ZULU)

We have GPS transceivers in all our patrol cars now. I'll not have one on my person, unless they want CCTV hookup, so when I go to the head, I can show them what I'm doing. But, in the cars, not such a bad thing. If I'm in an alley, getting my ass whipped, or under fire and just don't have time for an extended conversation, I'd like dispatch to know where to send the cavalry. ("getting my ass whipped" is a figure of speech....as long as I have a gun and knife, I may get hurt, but ass-whippings are a thing of the past. I hope.)

Took Number One Daughter down to Pearsall yesterday. She's home on leave, and we're spending a little quality time. Shooting, of course! It's amazing. You can't be in a combat arms MOS if you're female, but you can drive a truck full of ammo or fuel right up to the fighting for resupply. Now, do you get a nice little M4? Nope. Gotta carry the full-size M16. However, the REMF's get M4's, complete with Aimpoints, forward pistol grips, tac-lights, etc. Not even a damned pistol.....I'm dumbfounded. I was wondering what she would think of the egress techniques as they were doing them, she just stood there, the look on her face said it all. "Do they teach ya'll this, Lil' Bit?" Nope. "If you scare up a pistol, or and M4, would you be able to keep it?" Nope. I keep forgetting that the military is like a big, blind, lobotomized elephant. That's as far as I'm gonna go, I'm still somewhere between white and red hot. I'll come back later, after I cool off.....

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Sunday, August 12, 2007, at 16:17:15 (ZULU)

Charles: There's the Regular Army...and then there is SOCOM. The difference, in a nutshell, is simply what each thinks is "important." SOCOM employs about every MOS under the sun, and America's daughters, too. 8 out of 10 times, you would need to be airborne (don't anyone tell me about the ABN requirement---it is written, but not necessarily practiced, depending on who or what you are)...anyway, there are 'sensible" units--and not all reside in SOCOM...but the odds are better there:))

On the regular end, things can actually be a bit worse than you described: The whole "clearing weapons" thing violates common sense and the basic safe-handling rules---while making the event a "lottery on you career" should your extractor fail! That foolish idea, born in the 3rd US Army's ARCENT-K and spread like cancer thru OIF...Jeez! Clearing procedures for black rifles so complicated that they REQUIRE written direction at each barrel! That really, really pissed me off, since everyone MUST pull their trigger, and those poor folks who actually get there gun to do what it was just told to do get screwed bad...oh, wtf. I'm done with that BS for a few months. But it is not all doom and gloom: read on!

My boy, Blake did summer school this year and grabbed a diploma. We're going to visit a couple of infantry units (ABN) to see where he'd prefer going...all the while I will pressure him toward ROTC. In other words--sooner than I want, I'll be worried, pissed and proud as hell as a "parent." Shit; I am positioned to be one helluva critic of any leadership he ends up with...arghhhhh.

Anyway, absent specific orders to the contrary: Just do it! always worked for me if it makes sense and serves to make you more mission capable...in other words, unless you work for a penis first class, nobody will get bent if they catch you sporting a 1911 or a carbine of any US variety. Naturally, not getting caught is a better way to go too. I saw truckers everywhere with self-procured AKs, Glocks, you-name-it. Things change, but the innovation of our young troops never does. I was guilty of such procurement: Had a 1911, built my own M4 from a scrapped, blown up M4/203 stripped lower I saved from the de-mil torch---heck I had a winnie shotgun, a sawed off ithaca, and for a short while, an M24! FWIW, I saw Nat'l guard units taking civie upper units and buttstock/ buffer kits with their A2s. Guess what they did with that stuff???

And, while her stateside unit may have A2s now---there are unit sets of equipment that remain in the desert that new units will fall-in on; M4s are in these stock-sets in many cases. The HETT guys had this---and two weeks' of fam fire in Kuwait. It is really not all that much of a change from an A2 to a M4; and the reflex sights are easier to use than anything else under the sun...

REMFs are always REMFs. The new kids call them "FOBbits" now:)) And yes, they get first crack at diverting the good stuff in some cases. But overall, I saw a big push to put the outside-the-wire troops at the front of the line. Especially with the RFI goodies. It was done from the bottom up for combat platoon, company, and battalion by designated brigades.

I know the army does some dumb-ass shit and can "boil your blood." But the dumb shit isn't a universal default position, and mileage varies greatly unit by unit (CO by CO).

Have hope Charles: The odds are in your favor that she will have good to great leaders...most of our Captains are now two tour vets and have learned leadership the hard way. While far from perfect--a solution to the M4/ pistol need has been implemented thru stay-behind equipment sets, and the young leaders are getting better...much better at learning what is truly important and what is petty BS. In 10-15 years, we will have an Army "on the way up" like the one I joined in 1982; the young Lts an CPTs of Vietnam took the reigns, and things got focused up till they all retired. Good army back then, and another good army is coming soon for exactly the same reasons.

last: The good to bad transition occured largely with the treatment of the NCO: During the great period, the RVN vets empowered and professionalized the NCO. The decline came with the drawdown (we paid off our best NCOs to leave)--we created zero-defects' management during the clintoon years--and the NCO got marginalized by overly cautious officers who learned to micro-manage for survival. Things turned to shit, all due to the NCO being shoved aside. Nutshell analysis...

as said--the crucible of Iraq will fix this once again. It is cyclical, and I was blessed by seeing one full turn of the wheel...

Joe M
Sunday, August 12, 2007, at 20:53:43 (ZULU)

re: pistols in forward deployed units.

John Farnam's advice is to carry concealed. I realize this is not a trivial decision.

http://www.defense-training.com/quips/01May07.html

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, August 12, 2007, at 21:19:18 (ZULU)

Joe, Rod....Thanks for the input. I told her the old cop's maxim, "Better to be tried by twelve, than carried by six." And, that it's "easier to ask forgivness, than get permission". Hopefully, if she has to go back, she'll have the expertise to scam something other than the full-sized rifle. She's made E-5 now, so maybe the NCO rank will open the door to something other than the bullshit she's used to.

We get a lot of field and flag rank officers through the training cycle now, so maybe if I can put a bug in someone's eat, especially after they have to exit a small vehicle sporting full body armor and a big rifle, they'll be less apt to insist that the troops get saddled with the same thing. From what I've seen, the new crop of birds and one BG are fairly squared away. After a morning of getting slammed around, I heard one Capt. get on the horn and take care of that, right away. If a Capt. can get it done, that fast, there's hope. We'll see.....

1911's......I'm still dropping the slide on the Glock with the slide release. Can't seem to unlearn it. It's become a "gross motor skill" by now. I'm a dinosaur, I guess.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Monday, August 13, 2007, at 02:35:16 (ZULU)

Charles S. Hunt: 1911's......I'm still dropping the slide on the Glock with the slide release. Can't seem to unlearn it. It's become a "gross motor skill" by now.

One of the few advantages of becoming aged & decrepit is that you see the cycles Joe spoke of.....with new rationalizations for the SOS. It seems to escape the "gross motor skill" weenies that the trigger stroke is also a fine motor skill-as is releasing all those widgets that keep the sidearm in the holster.

Not to mention, just how are ya gonna release the slide with the other hand if there is no other operable hand.

Challenged one of said weenies about 1 year ago on this....I'm still waiting for the promised response-not!

WR Moore
Monday, August 13, 2007, at 02:55:53 (ZULU)

Rod: Ha! and double Ha! Concealed carry: I did not realize that "concealed carry" in Kuwait was a prized status among the REMFs. So, enroute to a main HQ, the rent-a-cops bust me for my plastic hip holster...which happened to be semi-concealed by my shirt tails. Who knew? So, an admin inquest gets launched. I become an affable idiot full of questions at this point:

Q: I have to carry anytime I travel right?

Q: I travel almost daily, eh? So, I am "always" armed, eh?

Q: What threat do I pose if i carry openly as opposed to if my shirt semi-hides the weapon?

Q: If I am a menace to someone's safety with a concealed gun...am I any less a menace with one openly carried?

Since any response to these safety issues came back to what's the difference--being none--the obvious reason was left glaring us in the face. And since no one wanted to come out and say "we only want cool guys to have the right to carry thus"--the matter just went away.

The sad part of all this was my rank---a field grade is a harder nut to crack than say, an enlisted guy. For some odd reason, such obvious inequities of justice totally escape these asshat's notice! While no policy change was ever made to my knowledge--no one ever again mentioned my hip rig's tendancy to 'conceal" the pistol either. A stand-off...

You really have to ask yourself what exactly you want to achieve with each and every rule you make...after all, the recommended 'rules" come from staff weenies who are type-A personalities stuck in a peon's capacity. They will unconsciously try to elevate their status at every turn...BTST.

Joe M
Monday, August 13, 2007, at 03:43:37 (ZULU)

WR Moore:

I use the slide release on my G17 when using shooting IPSC matches FWIW. Concur about the fine motor skills observation.

There are ways to release the slide one-handed, but nothing fast or elegant comes to mind. Non-elegant techniques include:

- Gripping the slide with the back of the knee folded around the slide

- using a "sharp" rear sight and catching it on an edge to release the slide (belt, holster, heel)

- pushing the front corner of the slide against the heel of your shoe

- shifting to a non-firing grip with your thumb on the backstrap and your fingers in a overhand grip on the top rear of the slide

will do the trick.

However, it's all too easy to sweep something you value using such techniques! Best practiced with an empty pistol as a last-ditch technique for when the slide-stop has broken and you're fighting for your life one-handed. I've seen a slide-stop spring on a G19 break, so it *can* happen.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, August 13, 2007, at 04:11:20 (ZULU)

Guys,

I pretty much ALWAYS use the slide release on my Sig 220. I don't see how this should ever be a problem, so long as a person changes out the springs regularly, and ONLY uses factory +P springs.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, August 13, 2007, at 04:17:12 (ZULU)

I'll have to consult the wife about WTF ya'll glockies are talking about; she has one and likes 'em. I don't on either point. Mushy long triggers leave me cold. Hahahaha. I appreciate their simplicity of use and all---but...

This place is dead these last few days: Glocks are a fine gun for those too lazy to practice with a real one:))

there...that oughta liven things up.

Joe M
Monday, August 13, 2007, at 04:54:57 (ZULU)

Rod-should have said there's no timely or easy way to release the slide. I know there's many and varied ways to do so-as you note, some of which are problematic.

It would be understatement to say that I'm not a Glock fan. On the other hand, ole Gaston did manage to get sidearm innovation "outside the box" to borrow a phrase I'm not real fond of.

WR Moore
Monday, August 13, 2007, at 07:44:38 (ZULU)

Rod,

It sounds like you're describing a game of 'Twister'.

Is it really that difficult to release the slide? I must be missing something. Don't own any Glockerware ......

Duman
Monday, August 13, 2007, at 19:21:32 (ZULU)

Concerning carrying concealed weapons in a combat zone.

The reason the military does not carry concealed weapons can be found in FM 27-10, The Law of Land Warfare (LOLW); Chapter 3 - PRISONERS OF WAR, paragraph 61 and 64.d, and others. Combatants must carry their weapons openly in order to be readily identified as a combatant. Otherwise, you may not be considered to be a combatant protected by the LOLW if you are captured. This depends on whether or not your enemies abide by these rules. Historically, about half of those who attempt to surrender are successful. If you are captured with a concealed weapon, the brass is afraid that the enemy will use that as a reason to deprive you of protection under the LOLW. Chickenscratch rules, but that's their excuse. I have met some commissioned officers who are afraid of guns - a condition I think borders on psychosis. Army officers in particular are influenced by politics when it comes to armed Soldiers. Practically, as long as you don't flaunt it, no one bothers you. Obviously, someone decided Joe M was breaking a "rule"...

DOD personnel who are authorized to carry concealed by the US Government while overseas, get a CCW from the agency they work for. I had one in Afghanistan, but was never asked for it.

We know our enemy is not taking prisoners. We do take prisoners, but we don't take chances to do it. Remember the 5S's, Search, Segregate, Silence, Safeguard, Speed to the rear. Remember what happened to Johnny Spann...

Taking prisoners has moral requirements, feeding, medical care, basic human rights, etc. We use the LOLW because it is a good set of rules, even if their "status", POW, enemy combatant, criminal or dirt bag, is undetermined. Otherwise, bad things happen. That's why we have rules. Once you take custody of them, they are your responsibility.

Our enemies in the GWOT aren't bother by this.

Trajan

Trajan Aurelius
East Bay, Kalifornya, USA!!! - Monday, August 13, 2007, at 20:34:32 (ZULU)

Trajan: I preferred an open route to the piece, to be sure. But tooling around the various FOBs, my vest holster wasn't always on, and a leg rig was an unnecessary PITA. So I used a fobus...which straddled a line between a silly rule and meeting the requirement. As far as the rest goes---my M4 was "openly carried." The someone who made a point was a secuirty guard (CSA) at the CFLCC main entrance. The PMO dropped the matter after a few discussions.

And like your experience--I was only challenged in Kuwait. There was little notice made in Iraq or the 'stan. In Bagram, i ended up receiving a fanny pack/ water bottle belt that hid the M9 while i circled the airfield on my runs. A couple of "senior" guys copied this idea for the same use.

Which reminds me of retrospective idiocy: Morgue, those taji runs were stupidity at it's height! Heheh! What exatly was our contingency plan? Hand to hand?

Joe M
Monday, August 13, 2007, at 21:48:26 (ZULU)

Joe, I DO practice with real guns. They're chambered in .308 caliber. I carry a Glop because I'm required to, so I practice with it, too. I might have to use it to make someone flinch so I can get to my SWS.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Monday, August 13, 2007, at 22:48:57 (ZULU)

Duman:

The challenge is to:

- Release the pistol from slide-lock state into battery.

- Without using the slide release/slide stop

- Without using the other hand.

Ready, set, go!

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, August 13, 2007, at 23:05:39 (ZULU)

Charles:

Like your attitude. To loosely quote Clint Smith, a handgun is what you use to fight your way to a long gun...

You'd almost never guess that watching what Hollyweird churns out - LEO's happily going to a practically guaranteed gunfight with just a sidearm.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, August 13, 2007, at 23:12:58 (ZULU)

"Combatants must carry their weapons openly in order to be readily identified as a combatant. Otherwise, you may not be considered to be a combatant protected by the LOLW if you are captured. This depends on whether or not your enemies abide by these rules."

So.......... that leaves those that have to carry cleared weapons...... where?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, August 13, 2007, at 23:31:30 (ZULU)

ID Elk & Deer Hunting

If you are going please check into the hunting group's message board. As we get closer to the date, more and more important and timely info will be shared there. Rally point/time, equipment checklists, scouting updates etc.

Mike S., CDC, and I are the only ones to check in recently.

LTChip
Tuesday, August 14, 2007, at 00:16:59 (ZULU)

"So... that leaves those that have to carry cleared weapons...where?"

At the FOB.

While we were required to clear our weapons going on base (think echelons above reality and the Presidential Palace), we were required to lock and load whenever we left our safe house or wherever we were for business-even crossing the street. A couple of times I had to point my rifle at a driver to get him to stop while we crossed the street - they knew we were there but it is hard to prove you tagged someone with your car on purpose.

We had a few ND's while I was there, like the PO3 (a Sailor in Afghanistan - I'm still confused) who killed his wall-locker (I didn't hear anyone screaming so I went back to sleep - Sergeants Business)or the 0-4 who emptied his magazine into the clearing barrel because he forgot to take out the magazine. Unless you were incredibly stupid, you weren't punished with an Article 15. They stopped that nonsense, at least in Afghanistan. You got remedial training and spent the next day training others. Everyone else on base got training, too - more Sergeants Business. Officers from other armies got real insulted when you challenged their ability to clear their weapons; it took a lot of tact to do it without making them mad. Some them had to do it several time and I had to grab weapons more than once to keep from getting swept my a muzzle.

The USG/DOD/contractor civilians took the training seriously, many of them were unfamiliar with weapons and asked for private training sessions. One of the lessons was "Don't pull the trigger inside an armored vehicle. Armor works both ways". We learned that one the hard way (no one hurt). Tell you buddies when you are locked and loaded or "off safe - target in sight"

We checked each other and after awhile it was second nature to check that the other fella's weapon was clear. No one objected after the report about the Soldier who complained that his M-9 was clear after his buddy challenged him. He then placed the barrel on his helmet and pulled the trigger. He died instantly.

Trajan

Trajan Aurelius
East Bay, Kaliforniya, USA !!! - Tuesday, August 14, 2007, at 02:10:04 (ZULU)

M-9 to the helmet = Darwin at work!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, August 14, 2007, at 03:35:34 (ZULU)

Trajan: Yeah, Astan was far and away more squared away overall compared to Iraq in common-sense safe handling rules. And yeah, we will continue to have NDs for as long as we place our weapons on the stake and step away from them (be afraid...be very afraid). I wrote some posts on this very subject 'bout 14 months ago.

Damned shame about the 9mm to the head. Now that kid had CONFIDENCE in his abilities! Too bad it was all confidence and no ability...

I'm gonna go garage my trucks. Big purple mass bearing down on me in the radar image. Looks like the finale at the fourth o' July out there.

Joe M
Tuesday, August 14, 2007, at 04:36:54 (ZULU)

Rod,

Thank you for explaining the drill. I can imagine someone with sufficient "plumber's crack" to add a twist to that drill.

9mm through a helmet, into the head? Not that I've thought about it, but what are the specs for helmets? What are they expected/not-expected to stop?

Duman
Tuesday, August 14, 2007, at 14:12:03 (ZULU)

Helmets-

I'm pretty sure the DOD figures that if there's a pistol to your head, you're pretty much fucked!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, August 14, 2007, at 14:16:46 (ZULU)

Duman,

The Kevlar helmet is pretty good. The incident with the 9mm happened about to a Soldier wearing the older, original helmet. The new Kevlar, issued s part of the Rapid Fielding Initiative (RFI), has padding instead of webbing and is much more comfortable and effective. Neither helmet is rated as bulletproof, but they have stopped bullets, shrapnel and all sorts of stuff. The new helmet is actually rated as safe to wear on a motorcycle by the NHTSA. More than anything, it kept me from getting hurt by stopping blunt force trauma in vehicle accidents, falling debris, bumpy airplane rides and low ceilings.

I think (my opinion) that the age and storage condition of ammunition in Iraq and Afghanistan reduces the effectiveness of the ammo the bad guys are using.

The new helmet is a bit shorter because of complaints that the original covered the eyes in the prone position. It is light due to improved materials and uses NFL helmet technology for comfort and improve safety. I added an RBR Technology chinstrap to mine and it is even more comfortable.

There are press reports that enemy 'snipers' in Iraq are targeting the gap between helmet and the body armor. Can anyone confirm or deny?

Trajan

Trajan Aurelius
East Bay, Kalforniya, USA !!! - Tuesday, August 14, 2007, at 15:28:50 (ZULU)

More info than you could possibly ever want on the helmets:

http://www.operation-helmet.org/helmets.html

http://www.gentexcorp.com/default.aspx?pageid=984

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/ach.htm

Tech Manual (pdf):

http://www.gentexcorp.com/assets/gentex/TechPubs/TP0271ACH.pdf

Downsides to new helemts:

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001079.html

I have a MICH and an ACH; the only difference noted by a casual look-over is the composition of the newer ACH's seems to be more like the PASGT with the "rough" texture, while the MICH has a smooth, almost ceramic feel. It also resonates when tapped (click) while the ACH kinda absorbs sound (thunk)---I have no idea what materials are used. We had some MICHs that had cracked (unserviceable) in Iraq...so we shot them. At 100 yards with M4s launching 77gr BHs, glance off's were the norm when fired at the front and rear. Top dead center hit destroyed the shell without penetration 2 of 3 attempts. One helmet, with the least apparant damage, had the penetration. This told us basically "not much." But did increase our confidence as taking one top dead center was a "least likely" occurence:))

Body armor: I liked a large SPEAR vest with extra-large ESAPI plates installed overall. The standard OBV does have better kevlar 'coverage' and did come in ACU digipatterns; but the SOPMOD SPEAR did not cut into your shoulders near as bad as the basic OBV. Since I used the vests as LBE, this became a decisive factor for me. In my mind, The plates provided all the coverage of practical use anyway, and by stuffing a larger (and heavier) plate, I extended the coverage nicely front and back. The next larger plates also fit in the standard issue vest as well.

The hard part of all this great new stuff is it counters basic human instinct: Under fire, you tend to "get small" with cover, which can expose the weakest points of this equipment. "Squaring up" to threats is unnatural! Rapid fielding is great, but training TTPs didn't bother to try to keep pace. There's alot of catch-up being played even now. Ha, in fact, it was just this subject that got me into afghanistan.

Edited to add: The "old" PASGT helmet was fielded in the early to mid 80s. Kevlar fibers break down over time, accelerated by things like UV, sweat and simple water exposure. Soldiers spend mucho time in that sorta harsh environment, and there is no real shelflife monitoring in place. Any given issue old style kevlar may be just as good as a clay pot.

Joe M
Tuesday, August 14, 2007, at 18:43:45 (ZULU)

Where is UnDude?

Duman
Tuesday, August 14, 2007, at 20:53:53 (ZULU)

Click name for a NYT piece that has a change in tone on the war (there have been a few pieces lately at the gray lady). One passage made me LOL:

>>In Baghdad, he goes for regular five-mile runs in the 120-degree heat, and thrives on outpacing younger officers. His do-or-die competitiveness is legend in the Army. Fifteen years ago, he carried on during maneuvers at Fort Campbell, Ky., after being struck by a rifle bullet in the chest, until a commander ordered him taken away on a stretcher. Laughing about it now, he says he would have died if the bullet had hit the ‘A’ in Army, over his heart, instead of the ‘a’ in Petraeus on his nametag.<<

Back when he was a COL and I a captain, I was a CO in his aviation TF (task organization). His commander's runs were legendary even then. I remember one where he tried to kill all of us. My finish in the lead group was purely stubborn pride to never quit. He lost a chunk of lung, and STILL had the physical ability to run me into the ground. I'm no slouch with a 32:30 10K, many 10:20 2-milers, and a 4:30 mile in my past (my two miler at retirement was 12:50)....but this guy is an animal extraordinaire! I'd hate to be one of his primary staff guys in the desert. That could suck.

Joe M
Tuesday, August 14, 2007, at 21:36:20 (ZULU)

Joe:

Good point about body armor configuration and opponent threat. With the almost universal deployment of body armor for LEO's, the good LEO trainiers are now instructing on squaring off with incoming gunfire rather than blading the torso which tends to expose armor gaps. (Ouch!). Of course, LEO's have had useful soft armor deployed for a much longer period of time than the US Armed Forces. (I don't think the VN-era frag vests are really in the same class as Kevlar and it's relatives.)

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, August 14, 2007, at 22:18:11 (ZULU)

Joe

As I recall the Plan was...hmmm...to run the 4 mile loop and imitate the matrix ;)

Mourge

Violence; naked force, has settled more issues in history than any other factor and the contrary is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forgot this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and with their freedoms." -Robert Heinlein

Morgue
SD, CA, - Wednesday, August 15, 2007, at 01:48:47 (ZULU)

Click for an interesting about face on cops and racial shootings from an unlikely source

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, August 15, 2007, at 04:00:36 (ZULU)

Morgue: I knew you were monitoring! Ha! Now, you need a secret ID so youz can post observations----non-operational stuff of course--on your world travels. Man-on-the-ground impressions are worth a million and one news stories. And the state of affairs in some places are as remote as pluto as far as coverage goes. You know what can and cannot be said, eh?

Maybe all the high-pressure system weather has all the usual suspects out shooting. Maybe that's why it has been soooo slow lately???

Joe M
Wednesday, August 15, 2007, at 04:16:00 (ZULU)

JoeM, I traded all my Glokunspeils in for reall guns except I did keep one 9mm gloop for the heck of it. I had put real sights on it and a 3.5 trigger. I like every gun betterer than glocks. Well every gun that is either a S&W revolver or 1911. Ooh good run times I could only get a 13:15 two miler and 34:40 for 5 miles. I did the 5 mile time on a diet of Pop Tarts and Budwieser.

Anyone want to help me string wire this weekend is welcome to come by.

DirtySteve.......

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Wednesday, August 15, 2007, at 06:33:40 (ZULU)

Dirty Steve.....comm wire or tripwire?

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Wednesday, August 15, 2007, at 16:19:03 (ZULU)

".....comm wire or tripwire?" LOL!

Duman
Wednesday, August 15, 2007, at 16:53:38 (ZULU)

All -- kind of a heads up...

Those of you that get mail from me - or get mail forwarded from me, etc... where the destination is XXX@aol.com - have been currently disabled from my forwards. AOL has blacklisted my mailservers... due to mail aimed at them - that's forwareded by me...

Now -- several of us on here - have email addresses that I host, where the mail gets forwarded to their aol.com account. One or more users has decided to mark those messages as spam -which it is -- however - they didn't originate from my mailserver....

So -- you folks on aol -- that appears to be missing mail that comes from or through my mailservers... please hold while I work with aol. They realize that alot of their own mail users are not educated regarding spam and end up tagging the wrong source...

I have a large /legit mailing list that's held up because of this too...

take care all,

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Wednesday, August 15, 2007, at 17:26:34 (ZULU)

...or even razorwire for the perimeter

(Good one!)

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, August 15, 2007, at 23:56:26 (ZULU)

SniperQuest Update:

The time is getting closer and closer. All Contestants that are entered up will recieve a warning order by email/mail after the entries close on September 1. Warning order will consist of the possible events contestants will encounter, equipment that will be required, etc. As of last week, the competition is full, and waiting list has been established to fill slots of anyone that drops out before the event.

Bobby Whittington
Grandfield, OK, USA - Thursday, August 16, 2007, at 00:32:31 (ZULU)

Gents,

Update, My buddy who is starting to manufacturer ammo has heard back from the ATF in a positive manor so he should be able to start production soon...I know 223/556 is scarce so keep it in mind. Oh ya and he is Loading .50 at a real good price, he has the dies to .338 Lapmag...Not that I would have a clue where he would have got those ;)

on a side note, I am looking for some Non Fiction reads If anyone has any good suggestions shoot me a line...Thinking along the lines of Robert Baer, William Queen, Fred Rosen, Christopher Whitcomb, Robert Pelton, or Allen Dulles

If you are looking for a good read, I haven't got to it yet but several people give it high kudos, check out Lone survivor by Markus Luttrell.

Joe,

Hmm...Me monitor? well I do a little Lurking once in a while ; ), oh and I am thinking about getting an AR-10 put together up in WA while I am on deployment, add a good NFO and its ready for love and TLC when I get back...heck, work depending we may even get to chase deer with her...

-Mourge

"Violence; naked force, has settled more issues in history than any other factor and the contrary is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forgot this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and with their freedoms." -Robert Heinlein

Morgue
SD, CA, - Thursday, August 16, 2007, at 01:24:59 (ZULU)

Pistol country-

I have a S&W 686 that has developed a very sticky cylinder. It's so difficult to turn it that I just don't want to put that stress on the trigger mechanism. I can fix it for a short time by putting lots of oil at the spot where the pin/axle whatever goes through it but it drys out and starts again very soon. Do you guys know how to take that damn cylinder off to clean inside of it? This is the only revolver I own and I can't figure it out.

Thanks,

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Thursday, August 16, 2007, at 06:15:40 (ZULU)

Send it back to S&W. If it can get that much crap in the cylinder, their tolerances were off from the get-go, IMHO.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, August 16, 2007, at 06:27:57 (ZULU)

MarcS:

Owner's manual for modern S&W revolvers:

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/other/Revolver.pdf

S&W warranty center in Cal is:

CALIFORNIA

Bolsa Gunsmithing

7404 Bolsa Avenue

Westminster, CA 92683

(714) 894-9100

bolsaguns@aol.com

www.bolsagunsmithing.com

Unfortunately that is a 2 hour drive from SF.

It's difficult troubleshooting firearm problems via text.

Simple question - does the cylinder turn freely with it unlatched and swung open? Or do you only experience this binding issue with the cylinder closed and latched in the frame?

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, August 16, 2007, at 10:13:28 (ZULU)

****************SPEW ALERT****************

Subject: pink envelope

One Sunday, in counting the money in the weekly offering, the pastor of

a small Florida church found a plain pink envelope containing $1000. It happened again the next week.

The following Sunday, he watched as the offering was collected and saw

a little old lady put the distinctive pink envelope in the plate.

This went on for weeks until the pastor, overcome by curiosity, approached

her. "Ma'am, I couldn't help but notice that you put $1,000 a week in the collection plate," he stated.

"Why yes," she replied, "every week my son sends me money, and I give some of it to the church."

The pastor replied, "That's wonderful, how much does he send you?"

The old lady said, "$10,000 a week."

The pastor was amazed. "Your son is very successful; what does he do for a living?"

"He is a veterinarian," she answered.

"That is an honorable profession," the pastor said. "Where does he practice?"

The little old lady said proudly, "In Nevada. He has two cat houses in Las Vegas and one in Reno ."

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, August 16, 2007, at 12:45:52 (ZULU)

************************** SPEW ALERT ***************************

A young minister was asked by a funeral director to hold a grave-side service for a homeless man, with no family or friends. The funeral was to be held in a cemetery way back in the country, and this man would be the first to be laid to rest there. As he was not familiar with the backwoods area, the preacher got lost and, being like some of the rest of us, did not stop and ask for directions. He finally arrived an hour late. He saw the backhoe and the crew, who were eating lunch, but the hearse was nowhere in sight.

He apologized to the workers for his tardiness, and he stepped to the side of the open grave, where he saw the vault lid already in place. He assured the workers that he wouldn’t hold them up for long, but this was the proper thing to do. The workers gathered around, still eating their lunch. And the preacher began. As he preached, some of the workers began to say “Amen, Praise the Lord,” Glory”, and “Hallelujah.” Well, it kind of got him going and sort of wound up, and he preached like he’d never preached before: from Genesis all the way to Revelations. He closed the lengthy service with a prayer, closed his bible and walked to his car.

As he was opening the door and taking off his coat, he overheard one of the workers saying to another, “I ain’t never seen anything like that before, and I’ve been puttin’ in septic tanks for twenty years.”

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, August 16, 2007, at 12:56:17 (ZULU)

Duman, I am here. Been busy with wifes recovery and gettingt he USMC DMR Slings out. Finally finsihed with that and nwo getting ready for Spirit of America and F Class Nationals.

Looks like I am driving. See everyone there.

Marc, the problem you talk about many times is from the Crane/Shaft being bent. See if it turns easily when open. If so probably bent. If it does not then a cleaning may help

Here is how its done.

The knurled knob on end of cylinders shaft that pushes out ronds is threaded inside. It goes Counter Clockwise to open. Yes wrong way from most nuts. Soak the thing in penetrator oil for a few hours to make sure its loose. Then take padded pliar jaws to back out.

You wil find a fine spring. Now take parts and clean with Hoppes. Then light oil and put back together.

Hope this helps.

Mike/Undude

MikeMiller
Ca, - Thursday, August 16, 2007, at 17:18:11 (ZULU)

Thanks guys.

It doesn't matter if it's closed or swung open. I think it has just gotten so dirty that it's gummed up inside. Soaking oil on it improves it for a short time but then it dries up and gets sticky again. It's been getting progressively worse the last 4 or 5 times I've fired it. I have to admit I don't really take very good care of this pistol. I just shoot it and wipe it off that's about it.

This thing is the most accurate pistol I've ever owned. If I take my time and load one live round per cylinder then turn it a few times without looking before shooting I can keep 2 and 3 inch groups at 25 yards offhand. People generally walk up to me and ask why I'm having so many misfires :) Love my ball and dummy drills and that's about all I use it for.

I'll try to take it apart tonight in the way Mike described.

Thanks again,

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Thursday, August 16, 2007, at 18:52:26 (ZULU)

You guys have to watch this video. Guy from Boston goes off about illegal immigration. Lots of foul language so not work safe.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bfc_1187026124

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Thursday, August 16, 2007, at 18:58:29 (ZULU)

http://www.conservative.org/pressroom/2007/070806twohouses.htm

Regards,

Joisey

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, US of A - Thursday, August 16, 2007, at 19:16:29 (ZULU)

Well everyone I got my MEB findings back and they offered me 10% with severance pay needless to say I am going to go in front of a formal hearing in Ft Sam Houston. If anyone has an advice for me to help me get this % raised it would be appreciated. I go to Ft Sam around the 30 because I meet up with my JAG lawyer the 30 before 1300 and then I have my Formal board the 31 at 0730 so again any advice would be appreciated.

Sarge Jr.

"over and Out"

Sarge Jr.
HAAF, GA, USA - Thursday, August 16, 2007, at 21:46:16 (ZULU)

Interesting read. Click.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, August 17, 2007, at 05:08:57 (ZULU)

You can be assured that you will not be invisible to Ms. Rodham. If that doesn't make your blood run cold, it should.

Click my name.

CDC'
Friday, August 17, 2007, at 15:56:23 (ZULU)

TEST

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, VA, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Saturday, August 18, 2007, at 04:14:41 (ZULU)

Travis: Generally speaking, I'm no fan of police administration. In this case, the appeals court ruled correctly.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Saturday, August 18, 2007, at 14:54:49 (ZULU)

MarcS- to remove the cylinder from your S&W roundgun: First, find a screwdriver that closely fits the sideplate screw over the trigger (look on the right hand side)-these are hollowground, you won't find them in the hardware store. With the weapon unloaded and laying on a padded table with the cylinder closed, remove the screw described. Do not lose this screw, depending upon the model variation, it may be individually fitted.

Second part, pickup the weapon, gently open the cylinder. While holding the weapon over the padded table, point the muzzle down and gently pull the yoke out of the frame while holding the cylinder in place. Clean the barrel portion of the yoke that goes into the cylinder. You may need a brass toothbrush to remove lead/jacket/powder residue. Look inside the center opening in the cylinder where the yoke came out. If there's buildup in there, you'll need to follow Undudes instructions on removing the extractor rod/extractor, it does have left handed threads-turn right to loosen. WARNING: DO NOT TRY TO REMOVE/INSTALL THE EXTRACTOR ROD WITHOUT PLACING EXPENDED CASINGS IN TWO CHAMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Once you have a clear hole, a scraper will remove the buildup.

After everything's clean, lube lightly and reassemble.

By the way guys, when the gas ring was eliminated as a separate part, this type of maintenance became a necessity-eventually.

WR Moore
Saturday, August 18, 2007, at 16:52:11 (ZULU)

From another site:

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old

Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while

working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation

with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to

Nancy Pelosi and her elevation to speaker of the

house.

The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Nancy is a

post turtle."

Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked

him what a 'post turtle' was. The old rancher said,

"When you're driving down a country road and you

come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on

top, that's a post turtle."

The old man saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face,

so he continued to explain. "You know he didn't get

there by himself, he doesn't belong there, he

doesn't know what to do while he's up there, and you

just want to help the poor dumb animal get down.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks, USA - Sunday, August 19, 2007, at 11:02:45 (ZULU)

Click. Funny. Stupid. Work safe.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks, USA - Sunday, August 19, 2007, at 11:27:12 (ZULU)

Good morning Snippie types.

HAve any of you guys used the Tannerite Binary explosives?

http://www.tannerite.com/

What's your thoughts on them.

Also... I'm getting the hots for a real nice cream puff 1917 Enfield. Do any of you guys know the website for that company that sells nice rebuilt military rifles, and ships them in wooden crates - they advertise in all the gun rags, except I don't get any gun rags.

"Cows with Enfields" ;)))

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, August 19, 2007, at 13:56:06 (ZULU)

Mitchell's Mausers?

http://www.mauser.org/

http://www.miltecharms.com/rifles.htm

gunbroker usually has a few running at any given time as well

medicjim
Sunday, August 19, 2007, at 14:08:07 (ZULU)

Thanks Medic... it is Miltec.

A filosofical type question...

If you leave the bolt open on a machine gun (AR?) to have (and show) it is safe... on a full auto that fires from an open bolt, like a BAR or M-3 grease gun, do you leave the bolt closed to to have it be (and show) that it is safe? ;)))

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, August 19, 2007, at 15:22:59 (ZULU)

Lito'

"Safety cannot be overemphasized. The M3 and M3A1 submachine guns have no mechanical means of locking the trigger. The insertion of a loaded magazine loads the gun. If the cover is open and the bolt cocked, pressure on the trigger will fire the gun. If an unlocked gun is dropped, it may fire whether the bolt is cocked or not."

This weapon was considered to be in safe condition when the magazine has been removed and the bolt eased forward.Bolt cover closed.

NO cartridge in the chamber of course.

Regards,

Joisey

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, US of A - Sunday, August 19, 2007, at 16:53:41 (ZULU)

re: open-bolt full-auto firearms

Not that you need my vote, but I concur w/Joisey Steve.

Mag removed w/bolt forward on empty chamber is safest condition for open-bolt full-auto firearms.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, August 19, 2007, at 19:38:08 (ZULU)

'Lito,

Tannerite is pretty good stuff. I have about 8 lbs. left from my last batch. Makes a big boom with lots of white smoke. Takes a cf rifle round to set it off (my .204 does an excellent job). 1/2 lb. sounds like a stick of dynamite. I have used the stuff to blast a few tree stumps also by placing about a lb. of the stuff under the stump with the end of the container expoosed and shooting it from about 100 yds. 35 mm film container full sounds like a 12 ga. I have a recipe to make the stuff also for much less than it goes for retail.

Kimbershooter
Disputanta, Va, USA - Monday, August 20, 2007, at 01:44:04 (ZULU)

Tannerite can be a lot of fun. Takes a pretty solid hit to set it off.

One of the shooter's at our range was given a bottle of it already mixed up so he immediately went out to the range to try it. Long story short, he used the entire approx half-pound bottle and rattled the windows at the club house about 800-1000 yards away. The range manager was not a happy camper. He's better now that the ringing in his ears has stopped. We promised him we would use smaller charges.

A standard sized prescription bottle is a fairly small charge, but it has plenty of noise and smoke, We've used those hidden around impact berms as sort of an explosive "easter egg hunt". Object is to locate and detonate as many as you can in a given time. This is usually done at 100 yards.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Monday, August 20, 2007, at 05:19:16 (ZULU)

Kimbershooter,

You have another email addy besides the roster email?

Or hit me through mine.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Monday, August 20, 2007, at 05:32:15 (ZULU)

Kimbershoorter

Please e-mail your list in ingredients...

Seems like years ago, it was two liquids they sold... now it seems like it's powdered stuffies.

Anyone remember when they sold two liquids?

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, August 20, 2007, at 10:54:42 (ZULU)

PLX, or Picatinny Liquid Explosive, is a liquid binary explosive, a mixture of 95% nitromethane and 5% ethylene diamine. It is a slightly yellowish liquid. It was developed at Picatinny Arsenal during World War II for cleaning of minefields. The addition of a metal dust, such as aluminum, adds more explosive power to the compound. It was to be mixed just before use.

For educational purposes only.

Don't mess with this Sh*t.

Steven Dzupin
Gaithersburg, Mary Land, US of Ah - Monday, August 20, 2007, at 11:54:00 (ZULU)

Morgue....

I enjoyed your trailing quote on that last post (Aug 16th I think)...

cmoore...

out...

cmoore
Dago, Kali, USA - Monday, August 20, 2007, at 12:09:38 (ZULU)

Sir Wesley...

Send me an e-mail so I can get in touch with you.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, August 20, 2007, at 17:00:44 (ZULU)

Click my name a for a brilliant essay by Victor Davis Hanson...Oh, and get ya a doughnut and fresh coffee---this ain't the usual article-length piece.

FWIW, this same guy's Op-Ed articles are usually worth the time it takes to read them.

Sarge Jr: Dudeski, appealing is all you can do, and the JAG's competence (and prior experience) is all you've got against the green machine. The Vet organizations can give you a modicum of advice (VFW and the like)--but these guys will be far better suited to help (and they can provide some damned good help) with your VA claims once the army's process gets thru with you. In spite of the narrow focus that the army has on your medical condition---don't leave the service until every last ache and pain you ever felt gets placed in your records. Even if you were sore for a day or two after the accident, say in neck, you MUST get that pain written down on med docs. During this process, if you ain't at the TMC 2/3rds of your remaining time....you will regret it when you get to my age. An acute injury means nothing down the road. A chronic condition means everything. You can bet your ass that later on in life, you will feel all the damage you've done in your youth---regardless of how you feel today.

The VA will treat you slightly better as you transition out. As long as you ensure all your i's are dotted and T's crossed:

Make a duplicate copy---every last scrap of paper---of your entire medical folder. Get copies of any and all LOD investigations (these are just a single sheet formality that the CO filled out and filed with the medical admin weenies). Keep copies of every set of orders you ever received, especially that which sent you overseas. Go back and get specific entriesfrom your doctors describing the circumstances of each injury....if they did not mention it in the first place. If you got an Owwwwieeee in Iraq---MAKE DAMN SURE that is written about in great detail.

The army board will screw you. 10% is standard for an entire limb's worth of injury. Example: My knee and ankle is trashed on my left side, I have abnormal growth under my knee, and my hip has arthritis---my other leg has only a trashed knee. Both legs got 10% respectively---a partial-use leg is partial use, no matter how many places it hurts. The difference comes when you start getting less usage---like my dang shoulder; it got 20% alone. That, after it got "fixed" with metal junk. It only goes up half way in a "jumping jack" motion...just barely more than the 30% cut off:)) This stuff is arcane as hell---and frustrating. Document everything...and fight as you go. Persistance pays off. Oh, and get a copy of everything that went to the board too!!!!! Especially your CO's write-up detailing your limitations (the "why" of the MRB). |That stuff will help you with the VA soon enough.

Joe M
Monday, August 20, 2007, at 20:35:33 (ZULU)

For those of you that heard about the posse of NCOs from the 82d Airborne Division (NYT OpEd this past weekend) who spouted off about the "failure of the surge" and the media's overplay of any success thus far:

Their argument within their own essay is self contradictory. They posit that local security means nothing because the underlying political reforms to keep it going are absent (true). And then, in the latter half of their work, they go on to mention that political reform can't go forward without some level of underlying security.

Classic chicken and eggs' argument from a naive group of youngsters.

They failed to see that the surge isn't about acheiving a political solution---it is about making one possible as an after effect. Yes, the political solution can cement any gains---but no political solution is possible, remotely possible--until some security is established. Services, safety, infrastructure, economic progress are absolutely essential before anyone can get past the "I-Me-Mine" mentality that current/ past conditions warranted. These kids failed to see the connection they themselves made as to their own role in this process...Here's the passage that won't get mentioned (and that the NCOs themselves seemed to add as an afterthought that counters their main point):

""The morass in the government has fueled impatience and confusion while providing no semblance of security to average Iraqis. Leaders are far from arriving at a lasting political settlement. This should not be surprising, since a lasting political solution will not be possible while the military situation remains in constant flux.""

And in so doing, they played neatly into Harry Pelosi Durban's surrender monkey paws. The media is not examining the essay---just the first paragraph assertion of failure. So, as you hear about this "troops talk" thing, know that it has been misreported, as usual. Better yet, go read it yourself. Click.

Joe M
Monday, August 20, 2007, at 20:53:09 (ZULU)

This just in: Ogden, UT school board votes to name a new middle school "James A. Madison" in honor of the fourth prez...the only problem being he did not have a middle name.

And there's a sizable number of morons who want to give these same geniuses wholesale responsibility for their healthcare:))

Joe M
Monday, August 20, 2007, at 21:58:04 (ZULU)

Joe M.,

That's a great article by Victor Davis Hanson. His list of books should keep me busy for a long time.

Thanks & Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The balmy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, August 21, 2007, at 01:32:49 (ZULU)

'Lito and JC,

Email me at the following and I will send you the recipe.

0ricki45(at)hughes(dot)net0

Remove the leading and training zero's. My email here doesn't work any more.

Marius..if you read this can you change it to the above ?...thanks

Kimbershooter
Disputanta, Va., USA - Tuesday, August 21, 2007, at 01:58:05 (ZULU)

Kimbershooter

Incoming E-Mail (Binary)

Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Tuesday, August 21, 2007, at 11:00:53 (ZULU)

Just some long chitty chat, cuz I don't want to go back to the legal shit.

A Wascally little guy on this site gave me a book for Christmas that has me pissed... really pissed.

It's "Unintended Consequences".

I remember most of the "events" in the book, but the Miller decision was before my time, as was the the fiasco with Archduke Ferdinand in his little car.

But the book goes into detail about why the 1934 US v. Miller decision was bogus - facts that as a shooter of 50+ years, I had never heard.

And it goes into the reason that the assassination of a feathered little foppish duke could cause the whole civilized world to collapse.

But it also brought back memories of the '68 gun bill, and the 30 day full auto amnesty that expired before anyone ever heard of it.

And the list goes on.

And it has copies of ads that I read as a college kid where new 20mm Solothurns were $100, and 20mm Lahti's were $125... all in the case, never fired, and I didn't have the money at the time, and I thought they would be available forever... now try one at $15,000+, if you can find a sucker to part with one.

There is a part in it where the lead character (a male) is raped by four lowlifes, and is nearly killed.

It prompted a half day talk with my 15+ year old son, about watching were you go, and looking behind you (etc), and I told him that along with shooting his 22 this fall, his education in real gunfighting would start the first week of September... with real big pistols.

I guess it's fair to say that none of it is a "surprise" to me... I remember 90%+ of the examples in the book... but what it does, even for the long time shooter, is pull it all together so you can see the patterns and flow of how they are playing with the 2nd Amendment.

And for the non-shooter, it will give them the straight skinny about how the 2nd is not about sporting rifles and hunting.

From a writing point of view, it's got it's flaws... but as an outstanding work of the history of gun control in this country, and the abuses buy the government, it is a must read in your book shelves.

OK... that's my book report for this year.

The next one will be on "How to run a Cat house for fun and profit" ;)

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, August 21, 2007, at 20:30:32 (ZULU)

Lito,

For some reason I thought there was a review in the 'Bookstore', but I didn't find it. John Ross got a lot of attention with that book. Some of it undesireable.

Anyone seen/heard from Bravo?

Duman
Tuesday, August 21, 2007, at 20:49:32 (ZULU)

Duman...

I heard (second hand) that Ross got a rough harassing from the feds. It doesn't surprise me one bit - they have to power to make your life absolutely miserable withOUT recourse.

They have harassed and shut down stores that were completely legit, over things like abbreviations of cities names like NYC for New York City on the yellow sheets, and shut them down by revoking their license.

And writing wise, the book IS flawed - he needed an editor with a heavy hand.

But as to bad reviews, on Amazon, it got:

353 Reviews

5 star: 78% (277)

4 star: 12% (45)

3 star: 4% (17)

2 star: 1% (4)

1 star: 2% (10)

Over all average was 4.75 out of a possible 5.0 stars - not bad for a gun book review on a non-gun website.

God, I really hate Connecticut. Nobody is really into shooting here.

Guys here that have a lot of guns...

... have THREE :(

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, August 21, 2007, at 21:01:54 (ZULU)

re: Unintended Consequences:

I liked it a lot.

Lito, I can send you a .PDF copy if you like.

Loaning out your paper copy is a sure way to lose it :-)

John Ross's web site:

http://www.john-ross.net/

The "Ross In Range" section is a hoot. I've quoted from it before in the context of marriages and woman troubles.

From his FAQ's:

"Has anyone in the government given you any trouble about the book?

Sort of. Go to http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39696d3b3c7b.htm for the letter my lawyer sent to the ATF concerning some efforts to intimidate my wife and also some book vendors. ATF’s official response was that they knew nothing about this, and that it must have been individuals acting on their own, without agency approval. This strikes me as a little far-fetched, that two agents would go out at 7:00 AM on their own time on an unapproved fishing expedition, but maybe that’s what happened.

No one has bothered me or my ex-wife since Jim Jeffries wrote the above letter."

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, August 21, 2007, at 22:43:07 (ZULU)

Well, if anyone does have an extra copy, or PDF file, I would appreciate reading it. Unintended Consequences, that is.

Let me know, and we'll work something out, if possible.

Thank you.

Sean.

Sean Thomas
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada - Tuesday, August 21, 2007, at 23:22:40 (ZULU)

Lito' Try New Joisey.

We got guns but very,very few places to shoot them.

Perhaps Paterson,Newark or Camden!

Hell,You live in a antigun class 3 state.

In Joisey ,we got no class at all ! LOL

Regards,

Joisey Steve

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, US of A - Wednesday, August 22, 2007, at 00:34:49 (ZULU)

Hey Joisey...

>"Lito' Try New Joisey."<

HA! - I been to Joisey, Joisey Sucks! :)

>"We got guns but very, very few places to shoot them."<

You guys don't got guns... you can't own nuttin' !!

>"Perhaps Paterson, Newark or Camden!"<

Now Camden... there's a place to shoot guns ;)... Kinda like East LA, without East LA's class ;))

>"Hell, You live in a antigun class 3 state."<

We can't own a three speed, but we can own a two speed... now if I could only afford a "Ma Duce", an MG-34, MG-42...

I don't think you can own a class 3 in Joisey, can you??

>"In Joisey, we got no class at all ! LOL"<

Ju gots that right, Mang ;))

Sean...

"Unintended Consequences" in PDF??? It's nearly 900 pages! You better have a T-1 line to your 'puter ;)

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, August 22, 2007, at 00:48:21 (ZULU)

All emails replied to.

Kimbershooter
Disputanta, Va, USA - Wednesday, August 22, 2007, at 01:30:29 (ZULU)

UC as a PDF is 3.8MBy

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, August 22, 2007, at 01:44:14 (ZULU)

Everyone sorry that this post didn't get done sooner. I just wanted to let everyone know that as of Friday August 17, 2007 @ 0530 I become a proud father of another baby boy weighing 7 lbs 5 oz and was 20 1/2 in long. So next time any of you all talk to Sarge tell him congrats on being a grandpa again for the fourth time (blood anyways).

Joe M thanks for the advice I am damn sure going to make sure I have everything in order before I ever get down to Ft Sam and meet with my lawyer.

If anyone else has any more advice I have about a week before I go down there so any advice would be appreciated.

Sarge Jr.

"Over and Out"

Sarge Jr.
HAAF, GA, USA - Wednesday, August 22, 2007, at 05:00:12 (ZULU)

Lito' It's one thing to own them.

You'll go broke feedin the damn things! LOL

Oh ,and one thing we gots in Joisey is "Great Tomatoes".

It's the "comamatated" soil!

" HA! - I been to Joisey, Joisey Sucks! :)"

Of course is does!

Da suction took away our atmosphere!!LOL

Congrats Sarg Jr. !!!!!!!!!!

Regards,

Joisey Steve

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, US of A - Wednesday, August 22, 2007, at 11:52:48 (ZULU)

Rod, package recieved. Thank you.

I already started reading it, and I'll say that I am intrigued, to say the least. Sure wish I could print this out, as I can't sit in the chair too long, but I gotta say, it's a great read so far.

From what has been said here, all should read this. And for those who have, maybe even "again".

Just my useless opinion, now you get your change back.

God Bless Us All, and Stay Safe,

Sean.

Sean Thomas
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada - Wednesday, August 22, 2007, at 18:00:25 (ZULU)

The Chinese response to the toy recall:

''The producers are responsible because they do not have tight controls over purchasing and production,'' Li was quoted as saying in the state-run Guangzhou Daily newspaper. ''But the buyer Mattel cannot evade responsibility.''

Li, whose group represents toy-makers in Guangdong, an export manufacturing base for a large percentage of Chinese products, said Mattel neglected to ''do its job well in quality inspections.'' He did not give any details or say how the producers did not follow standards.

China's General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine said Wednesday that it has found ''numerous quality problems'' with soybeans imported from the United States.

While the quality watchdog did not give details on shipments, it said it had found pesticides, poisonous weeds, and dirt in the U.S. exports.

=================================================================

Imagine that. Pesticides, dirt, and weeds, found in soybeans. Who woulda thunk.

Duman
Wednesday, August 22, 2007, at 19:17:09 (ZULU)

Hey guys,

Ministry update.

Between the sniper rifle that some ya'll participated in raffling off and a couple of CMP classes I taught the funds have now been turned into an awesome drumset and sound system being used for ministering to young adults and drug/alcohol rehabs. We now have a 7 member band and a sound/light man, we will soon be adding another youth pastor as a singer (God willin). We plan to be entering the street ministering field soon... again God willin...We did a youth revival last saturday that God generated 3 seperate altar calls at.

The harvest is ripe... If any of ya'll need an awesome outlet for your energy look at working with youth, if ya aint a believer work with them anyway through scouts, 4H, SUMPIN!!

If you can get one off of drugs, booze, porn, etc you never know how many lives you'll impact... They aren't the future, they are the NOW! You think America is going downhill then do something one kid at a time...

Anyone near Hot Springs, AR need a band for a revival let me know...

contact me at goochkw@riflemen.net

Out here,

Gooch

Gooch
Hot Sprangs, AR, - Wednesday, August 22, 2007, at 22:02:11 (ZULU)

I downloaded a few years' worth of archives and began randomly reading thru some posts. I'm actually looking for something, but I got sidetracked by every last post I looked at:)) It was entertaining as hell to revisit the history...

I sure do miss some of the characters who have moved on from here, or went "deep lurk mode" on us!

One exchange in particular between Geoff M and CDC got me thinking on an essay topic. You see, I am stereotyping "peace activists" and far left moonbats in general as a certain type of person. The one who used to lament the playground bully behind his back, and then just stare--unable to intervene due to his own cowardice and fear--while the bully victimizes another. This is the sort who never found the courage to stand up for something--or someone---when the chips were down. I'm contrasting this to all manner of challenges---sportsman who use failure to become better next time, risk-takers who take the unknown by the horns and strike it rich---and of course, those who never do. There's a lot to this thought--more than i care to get into right now--but the pattern extrapolates to the cut-and-run crowd.

So: Anyone know of a far left nut or peace activist that has a history of risking it all for the prize or total failure---be it sports, service or venture capitalism?

The few I've met are utter geeks and serious losers in the testosterone department. No sports whatsoever; never stood up for anything where it counts (verbiosity not withstanding)....feeble little bleating sheep of men. Oh, they would see the great "intellectual pursuits" as a compensation for what i see as their lack of fortitide...but then, if I tested their oft-spouted theories against the pain of death, would they still be so sure of "what they espouse as beliefs" as to take that bet? It is those who would fold that I am curious about...

Anyone have an example to derail my observations? That these fucks are all talk and no spine? Who is/ are the exception(s)?

BTW: The CDC/ Geoff thing was about signing up after 9/11. CDC went down the wrong road thru no fault of his own---too little "facts" get into a post, and the dust up was along the lines of what I am looking into.

Joe M
Wednesday, August 22, 2007, at 22:20:10 (ZULU)

Hey Gooch!

You hear about that minister in Alabama who tried to get prohibition passed on a town ballot (Foxnews covered it last week).

yep...his name was Ken Gooch.

Thought about ya I did!

Good to hear you are doing great and good things...stay on it mang!

Joe M
Thursday, August 23, 2007, at 00:09:25 (ZULU)

Gooch wrote - "You think America is going downhill then do something one kid at a time..."

I think this is damn good advice and a rather conspicuous sign of your individual integrity. You have my admiration.

my response to your suggestion....

I get a new crop of young men every year that join the local fire company. Many of them are aggressive, free thinking individualists that will not accept any more 'advice' about staying in school and towing the line as the way to make their way in the world. They are often on a path to destruction.

I give them a difficult, dangerous job to do and drive them hard to meet almost impossible standards. (sound familiar <g>)

Roughly 90% of them rise to the challenge, exceeding my expectations in the short term. Once they have achieved excellence and can stand proud of their individual accomplishment, I introduce concepts like civic leadership, the duties of citizenship and honor as a way of life. The rest seems to follow....many of them eventually leave the fire company to follow successful careers or advanced education.

I think the keys to success are....

1-show them, don't tell them...if they want advice, they'll ask for it.

2-once they achieve success, treat them as peers. They will value this status and work hard to maintain what they've earned.

I've been doing this for 23 years and have really good friends all over this nation and Europe as a result. I find this pursuit highly rewarding and will quit when I'm dead and not before.

medicjim
Thursday, August 23, 2007, at 14:53:12 (ZULU)

MedicJim: Excellent post; excellent brass-tacks advice. And you look like my "Uncle Bob"---dad's brother. Great guy...one of my early heroes.

So, those kids with ya---they look like trick-or-treaters dressed up as firemen. Surely not old enough to be real firemen...

or is it that we got that old somehow?

Joe M
Thursday, August 23, 2007, at 19:39:40 (ZULU)

MedicJim. I like that...... Gonna use it... Thanks..

Gooch
Thursday, August 23, 2007, at 20:37:25 (ZULU)

Just when you thought *you* had a bad day...

This fellow really drew the short straw.

Click my name for a newspaper story.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, August 23, 2007, at 22:11:34 (ZULU)

Unintended Cosequences......This book has been out for several years and is MANDATORY reading IMO ... I've replaced my personnal copies three or four times as they've been loaned out, passed from one person to another, and circulated to God knows who...It is a good story and even better history lesson, especially for non-gun people. There was rumor of a movie deal at one point, but it's easy to see why that didn't happen. A sequal has been rumored also..??

Outa here on Sunday to hunting camp in Wyo. for Sept and Oct.....So...

outa here

markwell
the Alleghenies, WV, - Friday, August 24, 2007, at 03:01:46 (ZULU)

Guys,

Got any opinions on the Carbon-15? Would I bet better off with a regular AR or one of the new minis? I can't afford the Sig 556 I want, and I have too many on layaway right now, but saw that carbon 15 the other day that seemed reasonably priced. (I've been told to make my Christmas list) Also, which Chrony to buy? I know you guys told me a while back, but I can't find it.

Also, are there any gunleather items you guys would like to see, but can't find? I'm still trying to get the leather business going. No fucking reason holsters should cost over $70, without tooling.

To all you OLD guys; Dr. Good News tells me I have Burcitis in my hip. I'm only 30, but I've been telling doctors for years that my left hip was fucked up. Any of you know anything about this condition, best ways to treat it, treatments to avoid, etc. ?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., USA - Friday, August 24, 2007, at 10:39:30 (ZULU)

Welcome to the club Travis. He He People are always asking me... Finger, you in pain at all?

Hell, if I woke up and didn't feel pain, I would check my pulse.

When you get old, you pay for all the fun you had as a young man.

Damn, I had a ball.

Semper Fi,

Finger

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Friday, August 24, 2007, at 15:23:35 (ZULU)

1911 Country:

A few years ago, I purchased one of those Dillon bushing wrenches, made of plastic (non-marring). Not thrilled with it, want to replace it with something more substantial. Do any of you have a favorite flavor of bushing wrench (Brownell's, etc.) that you would recommend?

Thanks in advance.

Duman
Friday, August 24, 2007, at 15:54:53 (ZULU)

Travis...

A good friend has a Carbon 15.

He really bragged about when he first got it, and it looked really slick. But the glow in his eyes is gone, and the list of stuff that has gone wrong would fill a roll of toilet paper.

For Chronographs, go with the CED -

>"I'm only 30, but... "<

Just wait til you are 60 ;))))

Like Finger, I get reminded of all my early fun, every day :(((

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, August 24, 2007, at 17:57:13 (ZULU)

Who the enemy sleeps with... or "You are judged by the company you keep!!"

I got this from Sahara Bradey.

Note the typo's... not acceptable for a national e-mailing.

And it's our old friend "Da' Rev Jackson"...

... aka "Gimme da donation money and da blacks won't picket your business."

We know you share our dream of a safer, saner America. We also know this dream must be supported by action.

That is why the Brady Campaign is supporting the Rainbow PUSH Coalition's National Day of Protest — against corrupt gun dealers and the scourge of illegal gun trafficking in our country — on Tuesday, August 28, the anniverary of Martin Luther King's March on Washington. We ask that you support this day in any way you can: by joining us at one of the protests or by giving a gift in honor of the day.

More than 20 events are being organized in communities throughout the nation by the Brady Campaign's Million Mom March Chapters, state gun violence prevention groups, and individual activists.

Among the activities next Tuesday will be: (click on the links for more information about each event)

* Newark: a rally at a park near the school where the recent, tragic shootings took place

* Washington, D.C./District Heights, Md.: a protest at a gun store in Maryland that is responsible for the most crime guns found in D.C.

* Dallas: a march down Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd. and rally at a local church

* Denver: a silence vigil to protest recent shootings

* Duluth, Minn.: a bell-ringing for gun violence victims at city hall

* Ewing, N.J.: a kick-off BBQ for Operation Ceasefire

* Houston: a "freeway blog" over a busy highway

* Minneapolis: an anti-violence coalition breakfast and Protest Easy Guns lie-in

* Philadelphia: Protest Easy Guns lie-in and community forum

* Phoenix: a candlelight vigil at the Arizona state capitol

* San Diego: community forum on illegal guns

* and Protest Easy Guns Lie-Ins in Seattle, Raleigh, Philadelphia, Portland (Maine), Minneapolis, St. Paul, Richmond/San Pablo (Calif.), and Springfield (Ill.)

In addition, a statewide letter writing campaign is being organized in California to build support for a crime-fighting "microstamping" bill being considered by the State Legislature.

The August 28 rallies will push leaders at all levels of government to crack down on corrupt gun dealers, take action against illegal gun trafficking, and keep guns out of the hands of dangerous individuals.

If you cannot join us at one of the rallies above, please consider a gift in honor of these events so that we can make our dream of a safe America a reality. Thank you.

Learn more:

* Visit and bookmark our August 28 webpage.

* Read the Brady Campaign press release supporting the national day of protest.

* Click here for more information about our Campaign Against Illegal Guns.

We hope to see you at one of these events next Tuesday.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, August 24, 2007, at 18:26:22 (ZULU)

Finger, Lito, et al:

"When you get old, you pay for all the fun you had as a young man."

"Like Finger, I get reminded of all my early fun, every day :((("

I wonder why my dick don't hurt more? ;0P

I got to pondering on projects I can't afford for hunts I'll never go on.... Do you guys think one of the Taurus pumps in .45 Colt would take the beating if it were rechambered in .480 Ruger? That would be one bitchin' camp gun!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., - Saturday, August 25, 2007, at 02:00:21 (ZULU)

OK, I've died and gone to hell........WTF is this? Somebody must have is information wrong. No way a gas gun is gonna replace a bolt gun.

http://www.military.com/forums/0,15240,146717,00.html?ESRC=dod.nl

Back to lurk mode and consideration of buying 2 Rem 40X 22lr bofe ov em with match sights.

Bolt out!

Bolt
Boiling Brain, NC, - Saturday, August 25, 2007, at 02:08:19 (ZULU)

Down, Bolt, Down! If'n ya look real close you'll see the assigned nomenclature is "XM110". XM is experimental model, like the XM177 that someday became the M4. This is a limited test and evaluation trial to see if the piece warrants full scale troop trials.

WR Moore
Saturday, August 25, 2007, at 03:50:33 (ZULU)

Read further down in the article. Couple of paragraphs from the bottom:

"As this is written, the KAC XM110 has dropped its experimental status and has been type classified as the M110 Sniper Rifle. As such it is slated to replace all 7.62mm NATO caliber sniper rifles in the system, both selfloading and bolt-action."

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Saturday, August 25, 2007, at 04:57:46 (ZULU)

The XM110 was chosen for several reasons, some of which were mentioned in the SOF article published by Military.com, but mainly because the M14 is old. Does anyone know when the last new M14 was made?

The M-14/M1A is a great rifle, I have one of each. I didn't have the money for a SR-25 when you could buy them here, so I don't have any experience with it. The M-14 is 50 years old and technology moves on. Just as powder and bullet technology has improved, so has metallurgy and all the other things that go into firearms.

I did get to talk with the senior Marine officer in charge of procurement for the Marine Corps Sniper Program (sic) when we worked together in Afghanistan in 2005. They had just bought 250 each SR-25's for 'evaluation'. He liked it and the Marines were delighted with it.

One Marine in Iraq had the most confirmed kills in his platoon, more than the rest of the platoon combined. He had the only SR-25. He slept with the rifle chained to his bunk. But remember, it's not the equipment, it's the operator that makes the difference. Insurgents at Fallujah in 2004 complained about snipers so the Marines withdrew them from that fight. There were more complaints about long range hits. It turns out that Marine Infantry Riflemen with M16A2's and iron sights were practicing long range marksmanship at ranges over 700 yards.

The M-14 takes a lot of finicky work to accurize. Just reading how to unitize the front end of an M14 made my eyes cross. And scoping one is iffy. I never got the scope on my M-14 to work right. Inexperience on my part. The scope on my M1A went on the first time and works great. I guess I learned something here.

There are some other reasons for the SR-25.

It looks like an M16 so the sniper doesn't stand out from the rest of the team.

It's easier to train new snipers and armorers because they already know how an M-16 works.

It's easier for other soldiers to pick up an X110 and use it when things get bad. I have heard several anecdotes where sniper teams using bolt gun got overrun. Let me know if this is wrong.

An experienced marksman can get good performance from an M16. David Tubman routinely out shoots 30 caliber shooters with an .233. Once the US Army Sniper community gets some experience with the gun, I think it will prove to be a winner.

CNC and ISO standards ensure true compatibility and interchange capability (I know - it's a bad idea to swap parts ). An average XM110 will be made to closer tolerances than a tight M14.

Bolt guns will still have a place on the battlefield. The XM110 is a step in the right direction.

Fight's on!!!

Trajan Aurelius
East Bay, Kalifornia, USA !!! - Saturday, August 25, 2007, at 05:06:03 (ZULU)

If the XM110 is just an AR-10, how the fuck is it an improvement for a desert environment? Why not just start making more M-14's? Just put a pic rail on the reciever, ala Ruger's integral mounts, since it's proven, trusted, and it works ?!?!

Travis Morgan
Saturday, August 25, 2007, at 06:44:31 (ZULU)

Click. I want some Frag 12's!

Travis Morgan
Saturday, August 25, 2007, at 12:35:42 (ZULU)

Travis wrote:

"Why not just start making more M-14's?"

The M-14 is not a good chassis on which to base a sniper rifle.

Decades of experimentation have proven the M-14 is not the best choice.

The scope mount has always been one of the problems but that isn't the only problem with the M-14 when it comes to building a sniper rifle.

The gas system was designed to provide reliable operation in harsh environments. This system works for a battle rifle however it causes a bending moment to be placed on the barrel with each shot. Along with the handguard it places a vibrational node on the barrel.

Properly bedding the action to the stock is problematic and fragile.

Can M-14s be made to shoot well? Yes, but they don't maintain accuracy over time in a combat environment.

A Stoner based design has none of these fundamental issues.

A problem common to any semiautomatic sniper rifle is that it takes more skill to "drive" than does a bolt action. Experienced long range shooters have often declared a semiautomatic sniper rifle to be "inaccurate" because they were unaware of the need to handle it differently than a bolt gun.

Today with a large capacity detachable magazine a bolt action sniper rifle can stay in the fight and deliver rapid follow-up shots almost on a par with a semiautomatic. This fact, if recognized, makes the principle advantage of a semiautomatic moot.

One would think that this dead horse has been sufficiently beaten.

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad)
Clifton Springs, New York, US of A - Saturday, August 25, 2007, at 12:50:51 (ZULU)

Kevin,

Welcome back. Always nice to see the "old guard" come home!

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The rainy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Saturday, August 25, 2007, at 13:16:35 (ZULU)

Hey Kevin, Good to hear from you. Hope all is going fine.

S/F

Finger

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Saturday, August 25, 2007, at 23:57:21 (ZULU)

Travis,

I never really had a problem with my M4 or any M16 jamming in the desert. I did clean most every day and I used axle grease on the bolt and carrier to keep it lubed. The hardest thing to keep clean were the sights. I usually kept a used foam ear plug in the barrel to keep the dust out. If anyone was bothered by it, they never mentioned it.

If the M16 is so prone to "jamming in the desert", why is the Israeli Defense Force still using them? Ditto with the M9.

I can remember four failures with the M4 I carried in OEF. Three were because of bad magazines, one was a bent round. Attention to detail during PMCS and Pre-Combat Inspection and I destroyed the bad magazines. No more problem. I still ended up with 16 magazine...

As the XM110 uses 7.62 ammo, brute force will overcome most environmental issues.

Trajan

Trajan Aurelius
East Bay, Kalifornya, USA !!! - Sunday, August 26, 2007, at 01:53:05 (ZULU)

Trajan:

I've come across M16/AR16 muzzle caps. Don't know if they are available in US armed forces supply system(s). If not, why not the classic field-expedient condom over the end? Not high-speed/low-drag, but it would work. I would worry about a foam plug acting as a barrel obstruction.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, August 26, 2007, at 05:11:46 (ZULU)

Rod, normally, that's what happens when a wheel bearing burns up(generally lack of lubrication) and then the retaining nut fails. A set of tandems departs the truck, along with the brake drum. Weighes right about 400lbs or a bit more and will kill the holy Hell outta you. I have to deal with the results of them coming off about once per month. There's video on the net of a guy at a gas station(security cam) gtting hit by one and killed.

Carbon 15 are POS's, at least the two I've dealt with were.

The M14 as a sniper rifle issue has been around and around. I'm fully behind a good semi auto 7.62 rifle for snipers, but the M14 ain't it, and neither is the XM110. In the short term, I'd like to see a 18" suppressed, detachable mag carbon fiber A1 stocked M40 with the S&B and weighing about 11lbs loaded, if they can't get a decent semi auto working. And then you'll have a big brother 338LW and a bolt action 50cal for your sniper rifles.

Plastic muzzle covers were widely available USMC side in Iraq, they shoot off with no problems. S/F....Ken M

Ken M
Sunday, August 26, 2007, at 09:02:08 (ZULU)

Rod,

We had muzzle covers, but if we lost them in the field, or blew them off, it was much easier to put an ear plug in the muzzle. The ear plugs also stayed in when the equipment was rough handled. We had enough stuff to carry that muzzle covers were way low on the list of things to pack. Every helicopter carries a box of ear plugs and most Soldiers got a new set whenever we flew. As a Warrant Officer, I didn't have to abuse my body or equipment like the Infantrymen, but my M4 was pretty beat up I left and my feet still hurt.

Condoms were available but they tear easily and rotor wash blows them off. The ear plug is a field expedient and works for me.

Trajan

Trajan Aurelius
East Bay, Kalifornia, USA!!! - Sunday, August 26, 2007, at 17:31:15 (ZULU)

We just used to put a bit of green riggers tape over the muzzle in the Vietnam mud and jungle. It just blew off on the first round. I also tried it on sniper rifles on the range to see what would happen. No problems. I believe it blows off from pressure almost before the bullet arrives. I recovered many pieces of tape with no holes in them. You could always remove before shooting if you wanted to, but it sure keeps trash and such out of the barrel on a creep.

Now, that being said.... I had a student in a LE Sniper class some years ago with a Olympic Arms AR15 that was driving tacks all week. On qual morning he went UNQ. His one shot for record was out of the required target. He forgot to remove the snap-on plastic muzzle cap. It was about 5 inches off at 100 yards. I am guessing the bullet got to strike that hard snap-on cap and turned the BC of that bullet to zelch point shit.

Anybody else play with this?

Semper Fi,

Finger

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Sunday, August 26, 2007, at 19:46:52 (ZULU)

Trajan: I flew Warriors up until the GWOT, when the Army came up with "better uses" for me. Of course, since they started that shit, I decided to find even better uses for me in all subesequent assignments leading up to retirement;)) Of course, commissioned guys don't really log hours like a warrant anyway---so, if you want to fly for the army...go warrant! I went back to my roots when I realized that "AVIM" was my future in the warzones-Blah! The work I found on my own was far more rewarding.

Muzzle caps: yeah, they do fly right off. We had a crunch on them in mid 2003. Bruce Robinson's Goodies for Grunts' program sent in thousands of them...

To my benefactor of the MILDOTs Tee; thanks! I wear that in honor of the above mentioned fella. BTW, Geoff M commented on the AR tee last week. He's a blackrifle fan in a major way!

When I look at the M110 program, I see the pattern of "we're going with this one....but we have to go thru the motions of testing on open bids to make it look like we're being fair..." Christ, having participated in a few tests and evaluations over the years, it is hard not to suspect political and/ or corrupt criteria rules the day. DUI vs. Viking Drysuits is but one example. Ken described DPMS's entry for his "wish" rifle---one that would have come in far cheaper to the taxpayer at that. The M9, the XM/ G36 clone (thank god that got derailed--for now at least), Stuart-Stevens, the OH58 vs. the OH6; the lists go on and on. BTW, any savings on the OH58 initially were spent 25 times over during the ensuing 25 years in trying to upgrade the 58 to what the '6 was off the shelf:))

Part of it is "grass is greener" on the unobtanium side of the fence--we want more and better, and if we don't have something, we think it is more and better. I know that a soldier is happiest when bitching---but to see the process in motion will leave you wondering. It's like the dragon armor vs. the OBV--the testing was set for the dragonskin with blatant push to failure. The concept is political: There was significant controversy about soldier protection and fielding of the newer systems in our rush to war (You do go to war with the army you got--and Clinton wasn't spending money on this kind of stuff). A bunch of people civ and mil painted themselves into a corner claiming the "best" was given to our soldiers. I really do not know about scientific testing, but the guys who had the dragonskin had a handful of 7.62 stops in places where the bullet woulda blown right thru an OBV/OTV vest. Plus, that 'skin is supple---it doesn't jack your chin up when riding around in an uparmor. Comfort and total rifle protection is worth looking at. Also, i loved the way the 'skin did not dig into my shoulders....Ahhhh, this got into a rant mode.

One last thing: The "old boy network" gave me a job offer for a major truck manufacturer (while still in uniform). They did not want any skills I may have in that industry---they wanted my known contacts in the maintenance and contracting field---in short, hiring a buddy-buddy insider to push products. Ha! I declined only because it would be extensive travel; I got out to stay home for a while. I do not blame the manufactures...I blame the system. The only person in the process that has meaningful restrictions on post service employement is the contract officer that inks the deal in the end. All other players have token waiting periods--if at all.

The process of equiping our military does sometimes work as advertised. Usualy when we "rapid field" before the lobbyists can get to a congressman:))

Yeah...I have a bad attitude towards procurement.

Joe M
Sunday, August 26, 2007, at 19:55:01 (ZULU)

If any of you guys went through Ranger school, you might remmeber this guy from the Benning Phase. As the only Marine in my class, he made my stay memorable. He was a classic. We called him "Uncle Burney" but never to his face or hearing radius. I recieved this today. RIP Ranger

S/F

Finger

CSM Richard Burnell passed through friendly lines this morning into the Big Ranger's Base Camp.

He had been on dialysis for several months and passed away in Fayetteville, NC. from complications from heart disease, diabetes, and kidney failure.

He was more than a legend at Ranger School, where he served as Tactical NCO. While all who went through there as students knew him as the meanest, baddest Ranger we ever encountered, he was in fact a man who truly loved his job and the Ranger students. His "mail calls" were unforgettable.

He was a member of the Ranger Hall of Fame, and he willl be sorely missed. RIP, Uncle Burney.

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Sunday, August 26, 2007, at 20:24:47 (ZULU)

Kimber's entry into the "tactical rifle" market sure seems like an endorsement to buy GAP rifles!!! So far, I am not impressed based on a few reviews and specs.

Irony: Our senators and reps opposed to Iraq have changed tactics: Now they are using the lack of political progress to criticize events. To review the bidding, the Iraqi parlament is expected to negotiate a highly complicated revenue sharing plan for the wealth of the entire nation, and then resolve a milenium's worth of inter-religious and ethnic animosities--all inside of two years. This from the same asshats who have failed to provide any meaningful border security some 20 after that issue was declared a crisis (leading to the first amnesty in the Reagan years).

Those who live in glass houses...

I wonder why this hasn't occurred to the editorialists yet?

Finger: I'd need to see a pic of our fallen ranger to see if I can place him. I remember Swackhammer the human push-up machine and Jimmy Owens (Florida NCOIC)--and of course, cheeseburger dreams and a couple of startlingly real hallucinations...but not Burney. Of course, I didn't get any mail since nobody loved me:))

edited to add:

Good article by mark steyn...click.

Burney was, alas, before my time. I graduated in '86. If he was there still, he was damned senior and didn't hang about with the riff-raff.

Joe M
Sunday, August 26, 2007, at 23:54:07 (ZULU)

Joe, he had a special boot from a injury and walked with a pronounced limp. he ran the city phase at Benning when I was there. I was in class 6-71 (Oct -Dec 71) if my failing memory serves me right. I think he was a SFC then. I just heard from another brother he was at the University of Missouri in 1982-83 as a ROTC instructor. He said he liked the school colors because they were back and gold. :)

S/F

Finger

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Sunday, August 26, 2007, at 23:58:23 (ZULU)

(Canadian) Forces puts out call to help train new recruits. Wanted: A few good veterans

The Canadian Forces has sent out a request to highly experienced ex-military personnel to come back into the ranks as it tries to recruit enough soldiers for the future and deal with the fallout from the ongoing mission to Afghanistan.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=e0fac91e-0485-4009-a383-26ec245e61d2&p=1

or click my name

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, August 27, 2007, at 01:06:37 (ZULU)

Finger, sorry for the loss of a good man.

On muzzle covers, years ago I made a device I called "The Muzzle Mitten" I took the 3" wide elastic and sewed it so it fit tightly over the muzzle. Then I attached a thin strip of elastic and tied to bipod or front swivel. Rick B. loves these and asks every now and then for some more. I dont market them anymore though. If you wnat a few let me know. If you forget to remove them the elastic gets blown to poop.

I have used 100MPH tape a bunch and never saw any real shift in impact. If you just use enough to cover to just over edge of bore it blows off. If you go too far up barrel it will put hole in tape. James J. taught me that.

Gooch good to see you still around and doing good.

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller
Ca, - Monday, August 27, 2007, at 03:23:37 (ZULU)

re: muzzle covers

The speculation I've read suggests that the column of air in front of the projectile is pushed ahead of it on firing. If the front cover isn't too stout the air will push it aside before the projectile emerges. This scenario would probably have minimal effect on POI. If you're interested in acheiving consistent first-shot accuracy that's likely a good thing.

The classic hunting approach is to use a piece of electical tape over the front of the muzzle. It's also thin enough that it might even "burst" from the column of air as opposed to being perforated by the projectile. It's much simpler when dealing with a muzzle that dosn't have a front-attached assembly like a flash hider/compensator.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, August 27, 2007, at 04:16:56 (ZULU)

Excellent article. It doesn't go so far as to say the "future looks bright"---but the argument is made clearly within the text:

1. The young captains directly and quite openly challenged the vice chief (these are the future generals);

2. Mention is made of the "combat experience" the youngsters are gaining over that of the cold-war era guys. (The senior dudes can be overly sensitive to this; if I had a buck for each time a COL and higher mentioned his 100 hours' of gulf, I'd buy a beach house)

3. An example of a RVN era vet who was something of a maveric re-wrote the army's operations manual---and turned the force upwards...

4. Many examples of young officers voicing the "can-do" attitude while acknowledging the poor tactics, strategies, manning and equipping issues...all things neatly noted and tucked away for future reference.

If I refrence the NYT much more--youz guys will think I'm turning commie or sumpfin'

Joe M
Monday, August 27, 2007, at 05:29:35 (ZULU)

Joe, funny you should mention diving gear, I dive a DUI suit. S/F....Ken M

Ken M
Monday, August 27, 2007, at 06:48:49 (ZULU)

Click.

LOL, "Whatcha gonna do, bite me with your gold tooth?"

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Kansas, - Monday, August 27, 2007, at 08:47:00 (ZULU)

Muzzle covers?

I have found that the little 3/4" stickie dots sold in stationary stores in the labels department are great.

They comes in different colors, and they completely disappear into dust before the bullet gets to the muzzle...

... pink works best ;)

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, August 27, 2007, at 10:17:26 (ZULU)

Lito' Not to mention .With them sticky dots,you get an awful lot of target material. Aim small ,miss small. LOL

I like the Neon colors myself !

Regards,

Joisey Steve

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood Village of, New Joisey, US of A - Monday, August 27, 2007, at 10:57:46 (ZULU)

Finger & Joe:

Do you guys remember being told, "You should'a gone through back when it was really tough."?

I was told that in '77 by guys that went through in the '60s and they got the same shit from the guys before them.....

I have dim memories of a CSM that had one foot that could run everybody into the ground.....or was that a dream?

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad)
Clifton Springs, New York, US of A - Monday, August 27, 2007, at 11:13:53 (ZULU)

Kevin,

My memories of Ranger School mostly consist of starving to death, and being wet and cold in Florida in December. Oh yeah, and somebody found out I was a diver, so guess who got to get naked and swin the rope during river crossings. Talk about cold water and a small package :)

S/F

Finger

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Monday, August 27, 2007, at 13:05:01 (ZULU)

re: sticky dots as muzzle covers

If you're really twisted, get the "happy faces" :-)

http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.asp?M=TEACHER-CREATED-RESOURCES&ID=1062958&ref=GB

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, August 27, 2007, at 22:18:53 (ZULU)

Finger:

How cold was it?

Oh, about this big...

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, August 27, 2007, at 22:20:36 (ZULU)

Here's some memories of ranger school:

https://www.infantry.army.mil/rtb/photo.htm

Just pick your class number and click.

Hmmm. I was a goofy kid then. Class 1-87, three rows up, second in from the left. Looks like mohawk...but it was a shaggy high-n-tight:))

Finger---our classes numbered differently--but we had the same time of year. I never thought a swamp in Florida could be so miserable cold.

(yes, this is a reposting of this link)

Joe M
Monday, August 27, 2007, at 23:51:46 (ZULU)

Gentlemen,

CSM Burnell was my battalion CSM in 1/325th in the 80s and likely a chief reason why I got a slot for Ranger school (2-87).

Affectionately called gimpy by the troops (never to his face) due to the pronounced limp he had as a result of his injuries. He was NCO to the bone, truly believed in NCO business and took care of the troops. He was one a kind.

For those interested, his photo is in book "The Eyes of the Eagle: F Company LRPs in Vietnam, 1968"

Finger, Joe, Kevin: Cold, wet, tired and hungry? Yup, sums up Ranger School. I got so tired of people telling me about how hard it was back then, I started telling them mine was the first easy class.

Pat II
Tuesday, August 28, 2007, at 03:33:24 (ZULU)

Joe: I missed one of your posts. He as long gone from Ranger Dept by the time you and I went thru, but he was just down the street from you in the Division. Small world, huh?

Pat II
Tuesday, August 28, 2007, at 03:41:13 (ZULU)

Pat Duece: Really small world; my class was raining recycles into yours. I was only one step on a slimy log in mountain phase, or another 15 minutes in that swamp-induced hypothermia from meeting ya:))

I think Stiner had the 'duece (there's that word again) in those days...I'm tryin' to remember his CSM up at that level---a guy who spent YEARS in place. McBride? Was that it? The guy was like an emperor for life...

My favorite quote from today's reading pile:

"I'm mediocre. All Generals are mediocre. If you're too good, your peers -- competitors, really -- will kill you on the way up."

reinforces my critique of the clintoon era drawdown and zero-defect' promotion selections (more like massacres). We ingrained risk aversion in what is now our senior leaders. It shows...

Anyone not yet read Yingling's controversial article? Click...

Joe M
Tuesday, August 28, 2007, at 05:08:42 (ZULU)

JoeM -- a recent conversation with an Army Pilot (Apache type) went over the items of current day. One comment was regarding the civilian side of our leadership... Yes our system was designed with that in place...

That founder's intention for that civilian leadership - was to fill that civilian side with 'competent' leadership... Unfortunately - we've fallen short of that int the current day. Too many back end deals, too many personal agendas....

There's only one - and I mean one agenda regarding our enemies - remove them (and their descendents if available) - permanently from existence - period.

Yes - that's abit harsh... but - that's my way...

Take care all .....

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Tuesday, August 28, 2007, at 12:26:02 (ZULU)

Joe M - Would you please identify the author of your 'mediocre' quote...I could use that in a training session I'm working on for the "first due" types.

medicjim
Tuesday, August 28, 2007, at 18:37:36 (ZULU)

JoeM,

Great article. I like the passage:

"Neither the executive branch nor the services themselves are likely to remedy the shortcomings in America's general officer corps. Indeed, the tendency of the executive branch to seek out mild-mannered team players to serve as senior generals is part of the problem. The services themselves are equally to blame. The system that produces our generals does little to reward creativity and moral courage. Officers rise to flag rank by following remarkably similar career patterns. Senior generals, both active and retired, are the most important figures in determining an officer's potential for flag rank. The views of subordinates and peers play no role in an officer's advancement; to move up he must only please his superiors. In a system in which senior officers select for promotion those like themselves, there are powerful incentives for conformity. It is unreasonable to expect that an officer who spends 25 years conforming to institutional expectations will emerge as an innovator in his late forties."

That pretty much describes most large organizations. IBM, HP, GM, CIA, FBI, .................

Duman
Tuesday, August 28, 2007, at 22:33:17 (ZULU)

MedicJim: Ken White passed this tidbit on; who he was working for at the time is unknown to me. That would be the GO who uttered these word, and who, I suspect, you really wanted to know the name of...

Duman: Ever heard of McMaster? He's the point CO at 73 Easting AND the RCO of the 3rd ACR in Tal Afar (may have to read up on THAT one). Well, he wrote a little book called "Dereliction of Duty" and later got some additional great press (even in the dreaded NYT) and multiple silver stars for "tossing out the current tactics and, unlike everywhere else, and making a real difference." He is also one of a few I call "freakin' brilliant." This designation is for those whose intellect is so intimidating that I whisper a "thank you god, for letting this guy be on my team" when I stumble across them.

Well, he was passed over this year for BG---AFTER being hand selected by Patraeus to help change the strategy in Iraq.

To me, this bears out the "too good" aspect of my non-attributed quote.

McMasters would intellectually intimidate all but a small fraction of a percentile of mankind's entire history of smart guys!!!! Heheh....to "let him in the club" is like excusing yourself from your seat at the table. Many of my (ex) peers seem to think he will get in next time---but I really do not think so.

Man, has it ever rained lately!

You'll have to excuse me: I have to go await a man in a white beard. I expect he'll provide me with those Ark drawings I'll need before I begin building...

(Based on what I've seen in the news, I can use it to get to Oklahoma to help out with sniperquest)

Joe M
Wednesday, August 29, 2007, at 00:02:19 (ZULU)

Question: When I unzip an (older) archive file, I end up with a .asp file. MS Viewer launches, and the text is tossed into jumbled mess--all run together. It is readable, but impossible to search for specifics.

The first few months I downloaded opened as HTML files, and launched in my browser much like this page here. easy to read and scan for specifics.

Did I alter these files somehow---or are the older months/ years stuck in this format? Is there a way to macro-edit them into a more readable form?

Why am I even asking here? Ain't no real geeks on this board:))

Well...maybe Ken and few others have certain selected geek skills....but without the pocket protector and chronic lakkanookie, of course!

Joe M
Wednesday, August 29, 2007, at 00:17:28 (ZULU)

Gotta share this just-now parental moment:

My 3 yr old says: "Where's my welloo marb?"

I say "Wello whaaat?"

Her: "Nooooooo, I said WELLOOOO!"

Me: "What's wellooo?"

Her: "No, dammit daddy, wellooo like the sun!!!"

I consequently lost all dad-credibility by falling out laughing. Too cracked up to correct the naughty word.

Oh, yellow is wellooo. Ha. But "dammit?" She gets away with one...this time:))

Well, enough on Mr Mom; click my name for an excellent perspective on recent history.

Joe M
Wednesday, August 29, 2007, at 01:34:00 (ZULU)

Joe M,

"Why am I even asking here? Ain't no real geeks on this board:))"

Well, now you've gone and pissed me off so I ain't gonna tell ya. ;-))

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Wednesday, August 29, 2007, at 05:16:30 (ZULU)

I just spent 3 days on the range with the Navy's Special Boat Team 12 here in South Texas. Chuck Hunt was with me, and I think he will agree. It was enjoyable to spend time with motivated hard working guys. Good shooters also. Real pleasure to see such fine young men. If they have the opportunity, they will kick some serious butt.

I got a few days off and on Saturday will be back for their convoy scenarios. Should be a blast.

Kudos to a great unit.

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Thursday, August 30, 2007, at 01:42:57 (ZULU)

Yeah, it was a good day, right up until the "hot tub" scenario. Thanks.....now I can't get to sleep.

It's good to know that we're still breeding winners like we had today. Even if the libs are trying to squelch it out of them, they are still strong, straight young men and women.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Thursday, August 30, 2007, at 03:47:36 (ZULU)

Geek Country

ASP file type defined:

http://www.fileinfo.net/extension/asp

I had a quick look around, a canned utility to text search .ASP

files didn't jump out at me.

I'll have to make some inquiries.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, August 30, 2007, at 04:27:24 (ZULU)

Joe,

When you double click your *.asp file... Windows accesses a table which lists the default application to use when viewing particular types of files. Apparently, your PC has an application other than your web browser as the default app for *.asp files . You could point the system back to using your browser to interpret *.asp files and the problem may resolve.

To manually check....instead of double clicking on the file you want to view...right mouse button click and look for the "open with" option. Select your internet browser.

medicjim
Thursday, August 30, 2007, at 13:53:20 (ZULU)

Decent softshell jacket.

I was picking up some groceries for the labor day weekend at the local COSTCO (a bulk grocery entity common in NJ, similar to BJs or Sam's club). I wandered past the clothing bins and happened to notice a softshell jacket on display. The item is manufactured by Black Diamond and appears to be a solid, basic softshell jacket for $28 US...

I bought three.

medicjim
Thursday, August 30, 2007, at 20:15:38 (ZULU)

Update on BATFE persecution of Red's Trading Post

http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A301843

or click my name

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, August 30, 2007, at 23:01:33 (ZULU)

If this has already been posted, I apologize in advance. This video is too funny to miss

http://www.thedissidentfrogman.com/blog/link/like-a-suppository-only-stronger

or click my name. A short lesson on how to fake the news.

Steve in Tucson
Tucson, AZ, USA - Friday, August 31, 2007, at 01:11:49 (ZULU)

Joe,

Well, since medicjim went and told you how to view *.asp files I can only say he's right.

Right click on one of the .asp files and from the menu that pops up select "properities". Next to the "Opens With" Label click the "change" button and select Internet Explorer (or other browser) then click on "Apply"

Done.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Friday, August 31, 2007, at 05:29:52 (ZULU)

Now that I've been discovered as a true 'operator' in the new cutting edge technology domain, I'm gonna update my LBE with the appropriate morale patch...

Which one do you think I should go with?

Do you think the "Jedi Master" one is too 'over the top'?

medicjim
Friday, August 31, 2007, at 15:23:28 (ZULU)

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