Blaine.. almost...keep trying.. it is a book/movie.

ghillie6 <ghillie6@hotmail.com>
USofA (for now), - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 00:26:18 (ZULU)

We took my daughter back to college today.  Andy came along to help with the heavy lifting.  While he was going back and forth to the car he made some observations.  For a young fellow such as he, the Girl's Dorm area was a "Target Rich" environment.  I think he might change his own plans for higher education based upon today's experiences.

Ranger School can wait.

out

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 00:42:41 (ZULU)

Left front pocket has an old three bladed Case knife and the right front pocket has a small stainless Buck lock-blade.  The Buck is a booger to sharpen; but holds an edge better than the Case.  Glove box in our car has an automatic center punch in case I ever end up in the water and the electric windows don't work.  My Colt or Glock would do the same thing; but my ears are already bad enough.  Old trick I learned from our local volunteer fire dept.  My pick-up doesn't need one because of the sliding back window.

Jody,

Refresh my memory please.  just exactly what is an M1903 Mark I?

Doc

Doc Holloway <docs@fidnet.com>
The balmy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 00:47:09 (ZULU)

 Movie..."Dead Man"...Black and white western....unusual flick....both realistic and surreal....NOT for the wife or younguns....

  By the way, anyone try one of those new ceramic blades.... I guess a diamond hone will sharpen them....if so, is it a real pain in the ass to do?.....

Mark Smith <Windinmane@aol.com>
Lake Cormorant, MS, - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 01:32:53 (ZULU)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/08/25/wnidal25.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/08/25/ixport.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=150520

Al Qaeda is still there and Sadaam still intends to use them.

Dan

CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
- Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 02:54:35 (ZULU)

"The Face of South Vietnam" was published in 1968.  I'll bet that whatever book/movie you are thinking of lifted the quote from Brelis.

Blaine Fields <blf@techtrials.com>
San Jose, CA, America - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 02:56:11 (ZULU)

  The M1903 Mark I was the rifle modified to use the Pedersen device.

It turned the '03 into a semi-auto by removing the bolt and installing a top fed magazine. Used a cartridge similar to the .32ACP. Ejection port is machined into the left side of the receiver. When the device wasn't being used the rifle was a standard 1903.

  They were made from 1918 to 1920. They were intended for the 1919 offensive but the war ended. In the 1930's the Pedersen devices were destroyed. There's only a few now, all museum pieces. After that the rifles were simply listed as M1903, although the receiver still has M1903 Mark I on it.

  I'm under the impression this may have been the first semi-auto rifle used by the Army. Am I mistaken? If so, what was the first?

  The rifle I have is in good condition. It has a High Standard 1944 barrel on it that looks brand new. All else but the stock is original.

Stock is a WWII replacement, again looks brand new.

  Look up Pedersen device on the internet. There's a few sights with some info.

    LATER  Y'ALL

Jody Calhoun <gotrektheslayer@comcast.net>
Saraland, AL-Heart of Dixie, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 03:43:30 (ZULU)

ALAN

ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, Colorado, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 04:09:50 (ZULU)

Geoff,

That's the reason I keep a trauma hammer in my medic kit. I don't think that's what it's called but it looks similar to a regular hammer except that it's blunt on one end and has a sharp heavy metallic point on the other. The whole idea is to take the sharp end of the hammer and hit the car/pickup window right about where the lock is (in the corner) and the window will shatter. That's only if you're first on scene, the fire dept. hasn't arrived yet AND the door can't be opened any other way.

There's also a 4" sharp serrated blade that folds from the hammer for handling seat belts. It's okay but doesn't take the place of my Kershaw in such situations. But by itself, would handle both jobs very well.

If the vehicle is already on fire, well, if it was my family there wouldn't be any doubt about what I'd do but as EMS teaches....scene safety, first.

These type hammers can be found in catalogs such as Galls or DynaMed.

Mark W

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Got Mildots?, Texas, U.S. of A - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 04:10:10 (ZULU)

Knife - I have a Rex Applegate folder from Gerber that is really nice.  It is the single bladed compact version.  Best utility folder I ever had.  Quick to open. It has a double lock - esentially a lockable liner lock.  Really nice feel and balance.  Mine holds a good edge and sharpens right up - the few times I have to sharpen it.

LT

LTChip
Placerville, CA, - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 04:31:36 (ZULU)

Hi, all! Long Time No Write! Back on the boards, now that cooler weather is approaching (and cool weather = bolt gun weather in my book).

I have an FN Special Police (the old one in the HS Precision stock) that I purchased early this year and after having glassed it in MarineTex, it wants to shoot. It is acting like a honest .5 MOA gun out through 500M, but I have one problem: it is fond of putting the cold bore shot out at 1 o'clock, about 1 MOA high and about .5 MOA out to the right. Some old hands that I know tell me that this sort of thing is often attributable to improper torquing of the action screws, and so far as I can tell there are no aftermarket socket headed action screws for the DM Winchester M70 action, so it is kinda' hard to put just the right amount of torque on the gun. So, any ideas as to how I can get ahead of this problem?

Thanks:

-Tom

Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Colatown, South Cackylacky, Us of A Freakin' A, Buddy! - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 05:41:38 (ZULU)

Be advised that the M70 recoil lug often has a reverse bevel to it on the back face. If the rifle has been glassed and if the front face of he lug and receiver ring have been inadequatly releaved, the lug will bind in the stock and if you try to force it out, BAD, BAD thinks will happen! Don't ask me how I found his out (hint: I still maintain the customers stock in my collection).

Incidently, FN made this little idiosyncracy go away when the build the Special Police guns: mine at least has a square 90 degree angle on the rear surface.

HTH!

-Tom

Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Colatown, South Cackylacky, US of Freakin' A, Buddy! - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 05:56:29 (ZULU)

Thanks for the info.  Forgot all about that one.

Doc

Doc Holloway <docs@fidnet.com>
The balmy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 12:23:49 (ZULU)

http://www.crane.navy.mil/supply/synop/02r0123.htm

Sinister Dave <mliwanag@nc.rr.com>
- Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 13:28:08 (ZULU)

 A couple years ago I decided to test the cutting ability of serrated vs conventional on scrap seat belts and safety harnesses, blade curvature and length made more of a difference than teeth.

I LOVE the Emerson Mini-Commander and Timberline Wortac folders(a real sleeper)for this.

My next purchases (Like this week) will be two auto centerpunches and a demolition type hand axe, the one with the spike thingee on other side, to go with the "crash bags" in the cars.

peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
Big City, By-Gawd, - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 13:33:07 (ZULU)

Full Metal Jacket - Gunny Hartman (R. Lee Ermey) to Private Pyle as Pyle attempts to climb the log tower.

>>"Who said that? Who the F#$% said that? Who's the slimey little communist shit twinlke toed cock sucker that just signed his own death warrant?"<<

Full Metal Jacket – Gunny Hartman to Private Joker in the barracks when Joker says he doesn’t believe in Jesus.

Trivia - What movie did R. Lee Ermey make his acting debut in?  And what part did he play? :-)

Another Quote - “Just because we’re holding hands doesn’t mean we’ll be taking warm showers together in the wee hours of the morning.”

Moe

Moe Mensale <mjmensale@aol.com>
Boca Raton, FL, US of A - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 13:33:57 (ZULU)

 Not sure if it was his first but "Firebase Gloria" was a great movie for Mr. Ermey.

 Anyone on the AR list tried the cabon fiber float tubes? I need to know how tough they are for field use. Other option is the RRA DCM tube...

    Thanks,

        Bill Moore

Bill Moore <lmalterna@aol.com>
Goodview, VA, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 14:35:04 (ZULU)

Make sure you put a drop of oil in the auto center punches!

Tom, Brownells sells hex hole screws for Win 70's.

My trauma hammer is an ax. Don't take a hatchet to a car fight. Ifin you need to extract quickly, an ax will make short work of sheet metal. Add a wedge and pry bar to it and it makes a good door opening combo.

Knives....

Everyday carry is a Benchmade 710. We are limited to a 4" blade at work, go figure. Most of the patients and visitors to the hospital probably are carrying bowies and pistols.

Sunday go to meeting knife is a recently purchased short Kershaw assisted. Damn thing is sharp as a razor out of the box! Kinda gets lost in my big hands though and takes practice to produce-for-use quickly.

Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
NC, - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 15:01:44 (ZULU)

Leupold (either the Vari-X III LR or the Mark IV), US Optics, Schmidt & Bender PMII, and NightForce NXS are all excellent scopes but may be out of your wallet's reach.  The Leupold Vari-X II 3-9X 40mm Tactical is a good "cheap" scope at around $360.00, but you'll loose the mil-dot reticle.  If you aren't looking for or need/want the mil-dot, then no big loss.

Rings and base?  Badger Ordnance.  The BO base for the Savage is scheduled to come out in the middle of September.  Ken Farell makes a nice base for the Savage as well.

Doc-

Fred Moreo of Sharp Shooter Supply suggests 65 in/pounds for the front bolt and 55 in/pounds for the rear.

KEB

KEB <BeggsKE@ISL-3com.com>
Greenville, Texas, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 15:16:37 (ZULU)

You got it!

Here's another one that most probably don't think about"

"Friend, there's nobody up there shooting back at you. It's not always being fast or even accurate that counts, it's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger--and I won't."

If you haven't established the mindset to do what needs to be done without thinking about it you just gave your opponent the edge!

Byron <byburnham@earthlink.net>
CA, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 15:21:22 (ZULU)

Chores to do and then back to the Academy. Where'd the weekend go...?

Knives: LOT's of good ones. The early Spyderco Delica and Endura are great and open easily with one hand. Carry on your pocket AND they stay put...

Emerson series are all good. Comment was "Have a knife". Right on!

More class work this week and basic hand to hand. We are "nice guys" now, so I guess the "ripping off their head and shitting down their windpipes" are no longer an option...;-(

Semper Fi,

Wes

Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 17:07:11 (ZULU)

Loopie comment,

                VX II 3-9 Tactical is available W/ Mil-Dots. Upside - it now has coated lenses, Vari X II didn't. Downside, and more important  (at least to me) is that there's still no parallax adj. *(

ALAN

ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, Colorado, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 17:41:50 (ZULU)

THIS WAS NOT THE VIRGIN MARY SCENE  IT WAS THE FIRST SCENE WITH GUNNY HARTMAN AFTER JOKER SAID "JOHN WAYNE IS THAT YOU--THIS IS ME"

DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A WIFE WHO WATCHES THE CABLE TV SHOW TRADING SPACES? THIS SHOW IS WHERE TWO NEIGHBORS GET TOGETHER AND DECORATE EACH OTHERS HOMES. THIS SHOW IS THE DEVIL.  IT MUST BE WHAT HELL IS LIKE.

I GOT UP THIS MORNING MADE BREAKFAST, DID DISHES,CLEANED UP KITCHEN AND WAS THINKIN OF TAKIN ADVANTAGE OF A RAINY DAY ,CANT GO TO THE RANGE, AND SPENDING SOME TIME IN THE PRONE AND MAYBE THE KNEELING POSITION IN THE BEDROOM IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

OOOOOO NOOOOOO

TRADING SPACES MARATHON ON HGTV-HOME AND GARDEN TELEVISION--I AM IN HELL.

Jim Anderson <OCSO245@HOTMAIL.COM>
OKC, OK, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 17:56:16 (ZULU)

      Of course it must be what hell is like. It comes from England;-)

ALAN

ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, Colorado, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 18:01:56 (ZULU)

M16/AR smithes:  John Holliger is the man.  Everything else is wasting your time and money.  Rock River is good for stock rifles.

Child molesters disappear too.  IME local LE don't waste too much time looking for them neither.  

Anyone have the NSN/part number for the drag bag for the Barret M82A1?  I humped one of these things throughout Camp Pandleton and any option other than a purpose designed drag bag is unacceptable to me at this time.  Eagle/SOE/Tactical Tailor/etc is acceptable also.  Semper Fidelis...Ken M    

Ken M <target1371@aol.com>
IL, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 18:24:10 (ZULU)

Mark W

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Got Mildots?, Texas, U.S. of A - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 18:41:48 (ZULU)

Wes - Just did the bi annual HTH and Monanadnock (ManWhataKnock, or whatever its called...) Baton courses.

Boss kept yelling "Red Zone" for some reason when I was doing the combo head Witiks and Florette Jab/Crosses during practice.......  go figgur

peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
Big City, By-Gawd, - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 19:19:52 (ZULU)

Picked up that Kershaw.  Designed by Ken Onion.  This is probably the same Kershaw knife youse guys got.  Boltster is right, kinda gets lost a little in a big hand, and it is hella sharp.  Also, apparently $55 is a really good price.  Ken, my next knife is going to be one of those CRKT M16's, I want to get the ARFCOM version.    

Back to rifles.....

Did some more break in shooting with the homebrewed AR perimeter rifle/SPR "clone".  Very light and variable wind for once.  With 55grn Winny ammo, it is now shooting honest to goodness sub moa for 10 shots.  I keep shanking 2 shots out of ten, I don't have any sandbags or anything, so I was shooting off the bench with my fist under the toe of the stock and meaty part of the forearm under the pistol grip, and that sucks.  That and the trigger parts are regular old stocker parts.  I have shot about 150 rounds now with various mags (Colt, Cooper, Labelle, etc.) and zero malfs since I assembled it and got it running (found gas tube hole in gas block was oversize).  This rifle is going to be stone reliable.  All this is not bad for a homebuilt frankengun.  I musta got lucky.  Can't wait to try some of those 77's.  Should really shine.  Too bad my loading gear is not set up at the moment.  

Geoff M <kill@internetwis.com>
WI, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 19:20:55 (ZULU)

The last time I tried kicking a window out with steel toed boots all I did was leave skid marks, Totally Sucked considering the severity of the situation and condition of the victim.

 But theres always Could Shoulda Woulda after the fact. I WON"T be w/o the proper tools again............

I have one of the Columbia River Bearclaws buried somewhere as well, got it for the Sniper Fu Penchat Silat stuff. It Rocks there and comes with a cute little necklace as well -  very fashionable hehee

peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 19:30:18 (ZULU)

My problem: What rings & bases do I mount the scope in? I like the Weaver-style steel bases from Warne, but I am willing to buy GOOD rings & bases from Badger Ordnance, Niteforce, Kelby, Jewell, etc. I have 2 sets of standard height Badger Ordnance rings with 1" inserts I picked up, but I know they won't work with the 56mm objective. I also like the Burris Signature Zee rings with live inserts. Have considered Kelby rings w/ Kelby Rem bases and heard or read that Jewell is also coming out with live center rings.

I want to mount this scope securely and without making ring marks on it, if possible. I have lapped Leupold & Ruger rings before and I have Sinclair & Russ Haydon ring lapping kits.

Any input is appreciated.

Clay Tyson <cetyson@bellsouth.net>
- Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 20:51:55 (ZULU)

Right ?

brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 21:42:04 (ZULU)

Have fun.

CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
- Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 21:47:13 (ZULU)

     IMO, stay away from the aluminum benchrest rings on a magnum hunting rifle. They're just not designed for that kind of use! I'm pretty sure that the Badger 'high' ring should work for your purpose, and you'll want to use steel slotted (Weaver-type) bases. Don't know if you'll need a 20MOA tapered base, depends on how much elevation adjustment is built into your Zeiss. If you need taper, Badger will fix you up. If you don't, the MWG flat base from MSP works great. I use one, it's fine. Burris Signature rings w/inserts will do it for you, but the screw attachment is not nearly as stout the mil-spec type that you torque to 65 in. lbs. If lapped and mounted properly and carefully you won't leave any marks on your scope tube. Over all, I strongly advise to stay away from any aluminum in your scope mounting system!

You should call Marty at Badger to verify ring height.

Geoff,

     I've been using a General No.79 auto centerpunch for over thirty years, fifteen of those years in daily use at a commercial shop. Never ever had a problem of any sort. Someone said keep it oiled - I agree. It also helps longevity if you loosen up on the tension when not in use, like you would a 'click' type torque wrench. You should be able to get one at most hardware stores, but if all else fails just flag down one of those tool trucks (Mac, Snap-on, Matco) that you see hanging around the Service Dept. of the auto dealers.

     Could you please describe your SPR clone (I want to build one)?

On or off Roster is fine.

ALAN

ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, Colorado, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 22:04:17 (ZULU)

ghillie6 <ghillie6@hotmail.com>
USofA (for now), - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 22:34:09 (ZULU)

http://www.galls.com/shop/viewProductDetail.jsp?item=FE334

Not the same, but similar to the one I've got.

Mark W

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Got Mildots?, Texas, U.S. of A - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 23:04:02 (ZULU)

I've got the same question as far as a good basic ruck.  I was thinking about a Becker Patrol Pack from Eagle.  But if I remember right there was some discussion about rucks a while back and I think the smaller "patrol pack" sizes were getting dropped in favor of full size rucks.  Anyone care to refresh our memories?

Steve

Steve Burris <skylar.burris@gte.net>
NOVA, VA, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 23:36:31 (ZULU)

Went to the range today. Shot CB and another 5 shots, all 1-1/4 inch to the right. Moved the windage adjustment 3 clicks left(M3 scope) fired 5 shots all in a 1 inch dot. Moved windage turret to new zero and tightened set screws. I don't know what is up? I set the zero and don't adjust for wind, I use hold offs. I was at a class 3 weekends ago and was dead on. Same lot ammo. I don't even take the cover off of the windage turret usually.

I also tried out some 175SMK's with 44.5gr Varget today. Velocity was 2575 fps average. Nice groups 5 touching but I want try to get to 2650 or 2700 fps for a 1K load for my stock Rem 700P.

TonyM <tam308@aol.com>
FL, USA - Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 23:49:35 (ZULU)

When I first got to Viet. I think I had 4 canteens, and they resupplied us with an estimated one canteen per day when water had to be flown in by Helo..  Almost killed me when some remfs filled five gal. cans based on one quart per man, per 150 men in a company(estimated)equals so many 5 gal. cans, and they didn't bother to fill the five gal. cans all the way up, so we got shorted badly.  (leaders didn't inspect the work detail, joke was on me and not my company commander)Also sent on a detail to the LZ one and half clicks and brought back two five gal. can's and received the same ration of water as the ones who didn't go. Long rant,must be my PTSD.

T <Thooverusmcv68@aol.com>
KC, K, - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 01:01:39 (ZULU)

T,

I'm no longer active, but was strait leg "Light" infantry for 6 years (off and on) and my average ruck went about 110lbs.  I carried a M60 for part of it(18 months), then I was an RTO(10 months), but even a rifleman had a 85lbs plus ruck.  If we had dragon w/ night sights, push that on up to about 140lbs with ammo.  Our motto was "Too light to fight, Too heavy to run".  If you end up getting hit and going into a movement to contact, that heavy bastard wil get ya killed quick.

FatBoy...

Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
Next 1K shoot at the AEDC in Tullahoma TN is Sept 22, Get with me for match schedule and details. "Gun sluts are both welcome and encouraged.", - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 02:29:26 (ZULU)

"Ken Farell makes a nice base for the Savage as well."

Do you have experience with these products?  I am looking at his matched set - with rings and 15moa base selected for tight tolerances and then serial numbered together as a set.

I spoke with Ken and he is very customer focused.  Looks like Sinclair is to carry some of his products in their next catalog.

His sets are a bit less than the Badger's and he is very willing to work with you on getting specifically what you need. He has flat, 15 moa, 20 moa and 30 moa bases and both 1" and 30mm rings.

He offered a money back satisfaction guarantee so I will let you all know how they are.

LT

LTChip
Placerville, CA, - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 05:42:03 (ZULU)

I've seen and played with his bases.  Very nice and high quality with tight tolerances.  Not as many slots as the BO base, but about 1/3 the price.  But you'll need to replace the supplied mounting screws.  Unless he's changed them, the are slot type and I prefer the Torx type.  I haven't seen or played with his rings so I can't comment.  I bought the BO MAX-50 rings and can't be more pleased.

I am going to buy the BO base for my Savage, just for the heck of it.  I got a Farell 20 MOA on her right now, and I'm going to have to figure out what I'm going to do with it.  I'm not going to sell it, it IS a keeper.  A new rifle maybe ;)...

KEB

KEB <BeggsKE@ISL-3com.com>
Greenville, Texas, USA - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 11:14:59 (ZULU)

I've had a Becker Patrol Pack for a few years and it's built like a hammer.  It's got lots of pockets and is a good pack for day hikes in warm weather.  When I've got to pack up my Gortex and Fleece I convert to my ALICE large that's been modified by "Tactical Tailor".  The larger main compartment makes quick loading and unloading easy.  With the Becker you've got to fold and stuff carefully to get much in it.  With ALICE it's just open the flap and stuff away.  FWIW the weight of my ALICE w/frame empty is less than the Becker empty.  Without a frame the Becker can be uncomfortable to carry if you load it up too much.

The subject of the soldier's load is one that will be debated long after we're all dead and gone.  I don't know the answer short of giving every soldier a four-wheeler. mmmmmmm..that's a thought.

out

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 12:25:39 (ZULU)

Ditto;'with the Glock 22. It's especially a good choice for Snipers for a multitude of reasons. OK so Uncle doesn't have since enough to go to .40's and for Military my heart goes out to you. Some police depts. are adopting the .357 Sig. I didn't think it would happen but as far as I can see it's doing quite well. The 1911 is a cool looking fine pistola if it's modified properly but it's too damn heavy to carry where a Sniper has to carry it. Weight is always a premium. Survivability of a Glock is awesome if you've taxed one a little. Yeah they got rubber sights but they don't get knocked off but don't get the adjustable it's a POS. You don't need it anyway.

The night sights are exceptional. Have I said this before? Perhaps.

Brogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Monday, August 26, 2002, at 12:49:46 (ZULU)

Kevin,

Where can you find the Becker Patrol Pack online?

--

Has anybody had any experience with this ruck?

http://www.camelback.com/mil/cb_prod.cfm?catid=6&product_id=61

--

Any thoughts about using a Camelback with another ruck (and which one)?

Mark W

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Got Mildots?, Texas, U.S. of A - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 13:35:55 (ZULU)

You can find them here: http://www.lightfighter.com/generic.html?pid=28  FWIW if you can't find what you want at Lightfighter you probably don't need it. ;-)

Ref: Camelback

I carry my Camelback Mule inside my ALICE and it acts as a "second stage" kind of rig for stalks and what not.

out

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 13:56:27 (ZULU)

Believe it or not, I am writing a book and I need a little help.

Not cop stuff but history.  

The focus will be on the Army and Navy Snipers that operated in the Mekong Region of VN.  As we all know, the work of the Marines and Army guys that operated in the highlands are well documented. Hard to top Senichs work there. Not so for the guys down in the mud and on and around the boats.  They did some fantastic work that has never been documented.  A little of their stuff is mentioned in Hackworths latest work but mine will be sniper specific and comprehensive. NOTE: I have contacted the guys in Hacks book too.

There isn't much written on these guys and many do not even know they existed. Especially the Navy men. Vietnam, and all that came with it, complicates research and some warriors will understandably not speak about their war time experiences.  But, some time has passed, some wounds have healed (or are healing) and most are well adapted and gladly allowed me to interview them. One came to my city the day before yesterday from Wisconsin, flagged down a patrol cop, asked for me and when I met with him, he handed me a stack of photo albums two feet high.  He had been to Florida with his kids and was on his way to Houston to see an old team mate. He stopped in just to give me his stuff.  Unbelievable.

I have had a huge response from these vets and have been in contact with many.  I have received many never before seen photos that are incredible and I believe the thing is actually going to come together.  I have been invited to attend the Military Marksmanship Reunion (all the old AMTU shooters) at Benning this year to speak with many of the old Instructors and Snipers.

If any of you guys know of or operated with a sniper that served in the Mekong region I would sure like his contact info.  

He would have likely gone to sniper school at Camp Roberts Calif., Naval Ammo Dump/Hawthorne Nevada, Dong Tam, Bearcat or Cu Chi.

Thanks fellas,

Brian

PS:  The sniper that came to see me from Wisconsin decided to stay the night, and I met him at his hotel for coffee yesterday morning here in Port Arthur.  I brought my rifle along.  He had never seen anything like it.  I let him dry fire it.  He picked it up and instantly wrapped up in the sling.  It was as familiar a movement to him as putting on his boxer shorts. The rifle is wearing one of Mikes slings and I explained the cuff to him.  "Ahhhhhhhhhhh, well I'll be damned" he said.  He went into a perfect kneeling position and dry fired it again. The Mark 4 glass impressed him.  Much different than his old 21 from back in the day.  

He told me he does not sleep well at night because the old movies replay over and over and keep him awake.  I knew just what he meant.  He said he doesn't get a full nights sleep unless he is at one of his old team mates houses because he knows someone has his back. His team mates all made it back and are all still very close.

We both laughed and talked of things that we have seen through a telescopic sight.  We had a great visit.  

Then, as I was leaving, he paid me the ultimate compliment.

When I said goodbye, he shook my hand, looked right into my eyes and said this - "I can tell by looking at you and by speaking with you, that if you happened to be staying at this motel also, I would finally get a decent nights sleep"

Had a lump in my throat when I walked away.

brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Monday, August 26, 2002, at 14:14:22 (ZULU)

Breaking auto glass..Center punches work.  The best one I've seen is a little aluminum one sold by sears...as narrow as a bic pen.  I’m with Mark W, I prefer the life hammer as it is much, much faster and there are NO moving parts... you can make a "life hammer" by grinding a point on your old, spend lightweight ball peen hammer...make sure it's good hard metal, or reharden it.  

Heavy rucks... a GOOD water filter/purifier is light. I'd take it along if ground water is present.  Much lighter than a couple gallons of water.

Jim Mitchell <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Monday, August 26, 2002, at 14:24:40 (ZULU)

Congratulations on the shoot!  Wish I could have made it but that wasn't an option.  SGM said "hell I'd like to go fishin."  No big deal though, had fun showing up a Ranger on the obstacle course Sunday morning.  Ahh, he's a good guy and a hard trooper, glad to know him.  The run was OK but still need to shave off 21 sec. for them to be happy with it.  Should be able to have that in another 3 weeks.  They also rescheduled me for October with about 6 of us going.  That is cool too, enough people there to kick each other in the ass when we get tired and lazy.  When is the next 1000 yd shoot?  Maybe I'll be able to make that one and show ya up on your own range.  ;)

Nick

Nicholas Gebhardt <gebhardt02@yahoo.com>
Memphis, TN, US - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 15:08:23 (ZULU)

 On knives...the Spiderco surrated folder was issued in my last aviation assignment--they could slice through the five point like nobody's business.  Thankfully, both my unintentional landings were controlled--and the fuelcells stayed intact! But the guy next to me had the tools to extract if the situation went south.  Come to think of it, I want two engines...I wonder if there are any Blackhawk slots open?

 On Rucks...Consider climate.  In hot regions or seasons, the ALICE (modified) always had my vote.  The external frame and the resulting ventilation on your back is well worth the lousy ergonomics.  The Lowe Alpine was a great ruck--but only in the winter.  Internal frames hug you like a parka.  Heat rash across the shoulder blades sucks bad.  The real consideration is:  Are you living out of it?  Or just toting stuff around?  My experience was living out of the ruck, so my perspective may not apply to every situation...

"Hey Pilgrim, skun' this one and I'll gitt ye another!"

Joe M.

Joe Mahon <joseph.mahon@usarec.army.mil>
Eau Claire, WI, US - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 15:51:06 (ZULU)

With regard to knives...

I highly recommend Anza knives. They can be seen at http://www.anzaknives.com/. Check out the Boddington. Pretty Nice.

They do not make folding knives. All the blades are made from FILES... They get very sharp and stay that way.

Every hunting trip to Texas, Mine always comes up missing. The outfitters would rather have my knive that get paid. Because they can process several animal's without sharpening them.

Anyway for a general purpose hunting knive. I haven't found one better.

Bryan

PS they also make a fillet knive from a band saw blade...I had mine for about 4 years now.  

bryan <bherman699@aol.com>
CA, - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 16:15:22 (ZULU)

brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Monday, August 26, 2002, at 16:24:35 (ZULU)

I got a Micro-Tech LCC - but find it opens accidentally when dirty - so I sold it to a cop friend, who will not get it dirty (at least as I do).

A buddy bought a Sever-Tech (sp?) and seems quite happy with it too.

Kevin of the Great White North <bolandks@shaw.ca>
- Monday, August 26, 2002, at 16:50:13 (ZULU)

Steve

Steve Burris <skylar.burris@gte.net>
NOVA, VA, USA - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 17:45:30 (ZULU)

>>Ermey: Chopper pilot. Apocolypse Now. Right ? <<   Brian K. Sain

You both lose.  Take off all your clothes and run around the barracks with your M14 overhead.

>>Lee Ermey's first movie?  "The Boys in Company C". If I'm right, it's 'cause I cheated. It's on the TV right now!<<  ALAN

Right you are!  He played a (surprise) DI.  But since you cheated, you can join Bill and Brian too.

>>THIS WAS NOT THE VIRGIN MARY SCENE  IT WAS THE FIRST SCENE WITH GUNNY HARTMAN AFTER JOKER SAID "JOHN WAYNE IS THAT YOU--THIS IS ME"<<  Jim Anderson

I think you’re right.  Now stop your damn yelling!

>>Moe, was it Eastwood in Hamburger Hill?<<  Bolt

Close.  Clint as Gunny Highway in “Heartbreak Ridge” as one of his grunts is hanging over him trying to see if he’s dead or alive.  Now fall in with the others!

Knives – Don’t anybody carry Ka-Bars anymore?  I have a model 1214 serrated blade and it’s little brother # 3005, a straight edge 4” folder.  They work for me!

Moe

Moe Mensale <mjmensale@aol.com>
Boca Raton, FL, US of A - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 18:12:13 (ZULU)

I like the rayzor...

His name is Ray Rogers, so his web site is obviously...

http://rayrogers.com/

Grogan

Steve VanSlyke <svfcpud@rcabletv.com>
Republic, WA, USA - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 19:03:34 (ZULU)

This is what I carry when I am in the city: Benchmade 722 - Mel Pardue. As for when I go backpacking, it is my trusty old K-Bar. Don't carry anything else - great as a hammer for my tent pegs and a great for a sense of security for the wife :)

As for packs, I hate to say this but I would carry my MountainSmith backpack for my gear for long outings or I would carry my Becker Patrol Pack for short trips with a low weight count.

Now, the reason that I would carry a commerical pack over an ALICE pack is simple, the commerical pack provides better weight distribution which will enable me to go longer and faster. Just thinking about an AlICE pack gives me pain in the shoulder and back. You may ask about the 782 gear. This is what I figured, put it on the outside of the pack. Still easy to gain access.

Besides, the truth be it told, the weight should be distributed on the hips and not ones shoulder. If you are a big guy, you can muscle it for a bit, if you are a small guy like me, I like it off my shoulder.  

Just my thoughts -

Darren...

Darren <usmc_dd214_1990@yahoo.com>
SF, CA, USA - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 19:33:28 (ZULU)

I'm afraid I can't help with info for your book; but please put me down for at least one copy.

Joe Mahon,

You want two engines.  You obviously never met one of my favorite Navy pilots.  His way to determine whether or not an airplane was safe to fly was simply to count the number of engines and divide the result by four.  If the answer came out less than one, it wasn't safe to fly!!  ;-)

On knives,

My Kabar needs a new sheath.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Doc

Doc Holloway <docs@fidnet.com>
The balmy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 19:51:33 (ZULU)

On packs, I have tried Eagle, Black hawk, to be honest, for heavy loads, take your old large frame ruck, and send it to Kevin at US Tactical Supply. I had him do some mods on my ALICE ruck, and it's a good piece of gear now. The soft packs, even with the internal frames don't cut the mustard. Coming from a former Recon radio operator, the Alice pack with the proper modifications does the job nicely. As far as the MOLLE II, take that garbage and bury it before it stinks up the place. Good concept, but can you say, made by the lowest bidder? SOE gear works for me

On blades, A ka-bar is the best utilitarian fixed blade out there, woth all these high-speed knife manufacturers out there, dollar for dollar, you can't beat it.

Currently I carry a Randall, however, the best knife I ever owned was a hand made knife that I acquired in the Philipenes for a case of MRE's Madwe from an old 5-ton leaf spring and melted down 7.62 brass, it was the finest blade I have owned. Unfortunatly I lost it on a patrol in N.T.A., what a loss

Kush out

Kush <matchking175@hotmail.com>
Pensacola, Lower Alabama, - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 19:58:40 (ZULU)

Webmaster gave "All Clear"  for me to enter the perimeter!  Thanks to all for the great tips and testing experience on gear and sticks!

Total professionalism here, no BS like the other sites I have visited.

SC is the place!

Have installed a set of matte steel Warne bases and rings on my Steyr Professional Model "M" in .270Win.  Very good fit, finish and quality manufacturing.  Torx screws all around.  Fantastic customer service.  Looking for improvement over the Conetrol bases and rings I previously found to be lacking.

Got Knives?  As a dear friend (now deceased) used to say, "I have my pants on, don't I?"  Would not be caught without one.  Can not tell you how many I have had taken from me by the 1SG, back when he said "an Army soldier didn't need a knife on his belt" in the mid 80's.  Would like to see the top desk drawer of the 3rd ID CSM (the desk probably still in Germany)!  Currently, I am wearing a SOG folder.  Hell for stout!

Favorite movie line......

"Now is a good time to pray to God, Buddah or Jesus H. Christ..."

"I didn't know Jesus had a middle name?"

"It is HERO!  You don't think Jesus was a God Damn Hero?"

OUT

Les Martin <LesMartin338@aol.com>
Canton, CT, USA! - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 21:17:00 (ZULU)

 Thanks for the recommendations, but one class A and one B were enough for me!  The frogs have had a bad year(s) and the osprey is still shakin' down the bugs!  Those "E-ticket" rides are for the young at heart, and I have children now!  Ha!  Besides, my 58D don't go much higher 'n fifty feet--how bad can that hurt?

Brian S.--you win.

CDC,

 Took your advice and relooked .243s.  The .260 won by a mile (once I looked into it) for my boy's new riffle.  He'll open a model 7 in .260 rem on September 16 when he becomes a dreaded teenager.  I guess I ignored this round--I knew nothing of it til the roster talked it up!  The .243 worked for me--but it wasn't on my first whitetail, I had plenty of confidence in shot placement, and I was selective about each shot.  These are not the same conditions for a young'uns first time out!  Best to go with a more capable cartrige, as you suggested.  

And a thanks to all who expressed an opinion!  I was saved from steyrs, kicked up to a reasonable caliber, and generally guided by experience.  I'm risking the bolt-handle falling off, but at least I am aware of THAT issue now!  

**Stealth in .223:  I've been tripping over these all over Wisconsin.  Scheels Sport has a couple in Eau Claire...online shops stock 'em.  Don't pay more than $600 (should be a few less) or someone's profiting.  My second one was well under 6 bills with loopy rings (customer changed his mind, and I used an ad from GA to get "my" price.  They matched it).  Why two? My wife likes 'em too!  

Joe M.

Joe Mahon <joseph.mahon@usarec.army.mil>
Eau Claire, WI, US - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 21:25:01 (ZULU)

Put me down for a copy too, wouldja please?  Sounds like the makings of a good one.

Ka-Bar: have the old style leather handle USMC one for camping, hiking, etc.  It's hard to go to the office with it.  Violates the 3" blade rule and scares my boss.

Medic Jim:  Hey man, I dunno.  How about alive but unconscious?  As we both know, second hand information can be suspect, and I am sure we all allow for it.  Take it with a grain of salt.  

Geoff M <kill@internetwis.com>
WI, USA - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 21:43:20 (ZULU)

"Terrorist pilot Mohammad Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called "political prisoners". However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands. The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all prisoners be released. Thus Mohammad Atta was freed and eventually thanked the US by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center. This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified. It was censored in the US from all later reports... go figure."

See you in December.

CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
- Monday, August 26, 2002, at 21:56:43 (ZULU)

Oh and I shoot Glock too.........'cause, as has been pointed out, you can't kill em.

My Bushmaster Shorty is solid as a rock........Have I mentioned my Savage?...........HA!

I guess it boils down to solid durable reliable....out of box.

Mark <beowulf4_hire@hotmail.com>
NY, - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 22:04:53 (ZULU)

BIG Knife: Becker Brutes are a very hard answer to get around. Buses' are supposed to be the next step up from the Beckers, but I dont particularly know if I *need* a step up from a Brute, especialy at 2.5 times the price. These things CHOP as well as one might want from a knife. A better tool for hacking down a small tree or some heavy brush would be hard to find. Also, I imagine its faintly Kukri-like design can serve for social applications in a pinch...

Brutes (and their little brother, the Campanion, a realy great big small knife, or small big knife, or whatever) are made from of a realy great carbon steel of some sort. The handles are some sort of plastic/linen micarta combination-type-thing that would appear about indestructable. Problem: they are also quite smooth and slippery. My solution: a coat of Brownells Aluma-Hyde and then sprinkling with bead blast media (or other round-grained sand, I suppose), then adding coats of Aluma-Hyde untill you get just the amout of grip you want. Perfectamundo!

Folders: I have been carrying a CRKT M16-14 complete with Carson Flipper for about two years now, and I cant think of a reason I would ever want any other knife. It is tough, it deploys quickly, it cuts well, and if it goes by-by, I can afford to replace it without too many tears. What is not to love?

Win M70/FNSP Action Screws:

Already have the B-Square product on hand. Great solution for the drop floorplate verson, sucky for the DM as used by FN. The front screw is too long and the threads do not seem to extend far enought back up the body of the screw to cut it off. It it starting to look more and more like a lathe project...

-Tom

Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Columbia, SC, USA - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 22:26:07 (ZULU)

the '46 can't go much higher. As far as the 50 ft drop, we had a mishap with a TH57, tail rotor failure on landing, too low to auto rotate, dropped from about 75 ft. Broke their backs, but will live to fly another day.

Fair Winds and Following Seas

Kush out

Kush <matchking175@hotmail.com>
Pensacola, Lower Alabama, - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 22:32:04 (ZULU)

 Been stringing miles of barb-less wire for the horse...and reminded myself of a story:

This is no sh!t, there I was...humping across pastures near Bastogne.  We wuz the bad guys on this Op, cause they gave us AKs to carry.  Bad guys always carry AKs, right?  Along comes this fence.  Ahhhh.  I see the insulators...hot wire!  No problemo, I jam the wire down with the butt of the AK and step across...and WHAM!  The barrel bit me!  The wire slipped between my knees and WHAM!  The wire bit me.  About a half inch from serious pain, but pain nontheless.  Me, and a 120 pound infil ruck, jumped so high we got a world record.  I blew the landing, and the ruck body slammed me for my troubles.  Seems the AK has some connectivity from butt to barrel.  No problemo.  Next fence, I see the junction box!  I reach through to turn the fence "off."  Only now I can't let go, cause my boots are wet and....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzap!  The rest of the night I just cut the damn things with my lineman's out of the demo kit.  Sometimes the hearts and minds come second!  Those Euro fences pack a nasty punch...  Musta shorted out every farm in the Ardennes!  I walked extra klicks to dog-leg off the path I made...but it was worth not getting my fillings cooked!

Joe M.

Joe Mahon <joseph.mahon@usarec.army.mil>
EC, WI, US - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 22:43:51 (ZULU)

Nick

Nicholas Gebhardt <gebhardt02@yahoo.com>
Memphis, TN, US - Monday, August 26, 2002, at 23:48:55 (ZULU)

Brian, I'm up for a copy when it comes out. Let us know. Good story, and faith put properly I do believe.

Mountainsmith, now there's a pack! Joe had it right though, in warm weather, the internals are like thick saddle blankets.

Moe, glad you're back. Had me worried. And in good form too! Running around a baracks naked with a 14 overhead. Sounds...... kinky!

Bill Rogers, re: rubber sights. Never got any made of rubber, they do that so they'll bounce out of the holster faster? Now why don't you tell them the benefit of not having full length rails for the slide, so it makes less friction and much, much less prone to jam. Nah, nevermind.

Andy's Dad, target rich environment. Funny, that's what I used to call it too. If he picks the right school, both are an option.

Jaeger <Jaegerspotter@yahoo.com>
- Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 00:15:00 (ZULU)

Brogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 00:23:50 (ZULU)

I did want to clarify the scope objective question though.  (and I may well be opening up a can of worms here)   I have been told by a couple of folks that 40-44mm is the largest piece of glass you want setting on top of your rifle.  At the same time I am hearing that the NightForce NXS (3.5-15x56 or 5.5-22x56) is one of the best choices for mounting on the Win M70

Can anyone clarify?

thanks,

rod

Rod <rodney_ray@yahoo.com>
San Jose, CA, USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 00:43:14 (ZULU)

If anyone else wants to sign up for the Super SNiper SHootout please do so soon.  Slots are filling up.  I am using proceedes from the match to help defray costs for LE agencies attending my courses.  Money is tight down here and I do alot of LE training for free.  THere is also a Police equipment expo at the range on the 12th.  Registration form is at www.goochtraining.com.  

Match is open to active/reserve/retired police and mil PLUS civvies who are active firearms instructors with an incorporated firearms training business(dudes like myself!)

Out here.

Gooch <goochkw@goochtraining.com>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 01:05:18 (ZULU)

Best field knife I ever had/have is a Phillipino bolo.  Made of spring steel (Unknown make of leaf spring) has a full tang (over 1") and costs little.  A good bush knife (IMHO) should be made of carbon steel and have a full tang.  You can sharpen them easily with a stone and if you have to pry with it, the tang and carbon steel can handle it.  Stainless is rust resistant but brittle and hard to sharpen.  

Just my opinion.

Out

Gooch <goochkw@goochtraining.com>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 01:16:07 (ZULU)

You never fail to entertain!  Where were you when I needed good leadership advice regarding reenlistment?  Heck, I would be eligible to retire in two years!  But no, the powers that be would not give me guaranteed assignment, so I left for the college/job route.  Got the degree, got the jobs, got no satisfaction....(sounds like a song, huh?)

Glad you are in your current role.  You sound like a great fit for helping the Army retain good troops!

Rod, I am not the ultimate authority on optics, but I have a couple of good tips that have worked for me.  First, to be cool, get ready to spend MORE money than your rifle costs new, then realize that when your new cool scope is not the one you want (or it is not the hot scope of the year)used it is probably worth half what you paid for it.  I've tried large objective scopes; Redfields (had to send it back 'cause the interior tube coating was peeling/flaking), Nikon, Simmons, Trashcos, Burris (OK) and Pentax (OK), but my go-to scope is a Leupold Tactical.  It has enough magnification to show my mistakes, and lets me count my pulse rate through my heartbeats.  Price is good, service and quality is excellent, and you can use the extra dollars for quality ammo and range time!

Read up a little on exit pupils and the eye's natural light gathering ability first.

All that said, simply buy quality glass, don't go overboard, and practice, practice, practice!  Once you achieve zen with your rifle and load, you can "move up" in optics.  Remember, a lot has been done with simple 4X tubes......

My .02 Pfenning.......

Les <LesMartin338@aol.com>
Canton, CT, USA! - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 01:18:51 (ZULU)

  I have a Leupold 3x9x40. It is a good selection for a "non-professional" gun. I hunt and range shoot with it. Never used it in competition.

  My thoughts are: 1) A bigger objective generally pulls more light. This is only a concern in low light conditions. If you're hunting and it's dark enough to need a big objective, you're probably not in legal hours anyway.

2) The size difference between 40mm and 56mm is 16mm. That's 16mm more scope to catch snags, take up room, and otherwise be more cumbersome.

3) The bigger the diameter, the higher the mounts have to be. This also positions your head higher on the stock. May or may not be too comfortable. Shooting will suck if you can't relax.

4) 56mm usually costs more. It's probably not worth the expense if you're not in the business. Besides, when you get more experience and more dough, you can always expand.

 You have to figure out what you will really be doing with your rifle, then buy accordingly. And ask lots of questions, that's how we learn.

 Equipment is subjective. Just because my hot rod has a big block doesn't mean that your's needs one.

ALAN; Do you have a small-block or a big-block?

Jody Calhoun <gotrektheslayer@comcast.net>
Saraland, AL-Heart of Dixie, USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 02:05:26 (ZULU)

Also, don't forget the Kuhkri's!

Moe, had a brain fart on the Heartbreak Ridge vs. Hamburger Hill. I have watched Hamburger Hill on the tube at least a dozen times this year. Still amazed at how some officers in Nam got out without being courtmarshalled or fragged. Stoopid, stoopid, stoopid!

Finally got some rain, bolt out!

Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
NC, - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 02:50:31 (ZULU)

next shoot is Sep 22nd.

40 vs 42 vs 44 vs 50 vs 56mm....

I like the smaller objectives on my hunting rifles, or one's I carry in the woods, but for the range the large objective, and weight don't bother me. Since bambi ain't shooting back yet, detection isn't an issue, but if I have some one activly looking for me,, I'd get as small an objective as I culd and still get the job done.

FatBoy...

Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
Next 1K shoot at the AEDC in Tullahoma TN is Sept 22, Get with me for match schedule and details. "Gun sluts are both welcome and encouraged.", - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 03:00:13 (ZULU)

  The gun dealer said that Remmington made these for the Marine Corps, but had an overrun and allowed their dealers to sell them to the general public.  He only had three of these rifles and told me that they would sell very quickly. I paid 850 dollars for it.

   I bought a Leupold  VX II 3-9X 40mm tacticle scope  What can anyone tell me about these 5-R milspec barrels and are they as hard to get as my dealer claimed. I am just getting into long range shooting.   Any information on my rifle would be appreciated

                             Mike

Wayne Michaelchuck <wmichaelchuck@msn.com>
Gibbstown, NJ, USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 03:13:25 (ZULU)

Thanks

Sean

Sean CAmpbell <sean_campbell@dog.com>
- Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 03:40:20 (ZULU)

Great Movie

George Out

George Gardner, G.A. Precision <a10xrifle@aol.com>
Kansas City, MO, U.S.A. - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 03:49:12 (ZULU)

George Gardner Rifles...

I cannot say enough.... 199-3X, first time out. I'm not that good at this LR shootin, but that man knows how to build a rifle. In this case it was definitely the equipment was better than the shooter.

Chris,

thanks for all the help. Without your encouragement, I probably would still be sittin here wonderin what it's like. Congratulations on winning the match. That was a case of excellent shooting, by an excellent shooter w/ quality equipment! You're a gentleman and a scholar.

John

EDIT: Just caught up on the weekend. Mr. Sain, I'm sorry, I wish I could help. I'd gladly pay for a hardbound copy though. Put me down for one.

John <acehighbmg@mindspring.com>
B'town, IN, USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 04:10:55 (ZULU)

     Actually, my whole world isn't made up of Chevy's, but at the present time I have a 502" big block in my garage waiting for the  right home (chassis). Also have a 383" smallblock in a built CJ3 for off road and sand-hill competition.

     Haven't done anything for the public or for pay since I retired about five years ago, and then it had only been a sideline for at least ten years. Shooting's become lots more fun!

Mike,

     The Remington M700 (M24) civilian model was a limited run produced when a big distributor (Horton, Davidson, etc?) requested this special from Rem. and evidently had enough pull to get it done. I don't think that it's any more than a PSS with Remington's assembly line version of the original 5R Rock barrel. It'll have some collector value considering its limited run if not modified. Otherwise, it'll have value as a good shooter, if Remington behaved itself during manufacture!

Large objective scopes,

                       are good for the target range, sniper competitions (no one shoots back), varmint (LD) hunting, and big-game hunting, but only if you hunt your game the way those creepy Europeans do;-)) . Maybe LE sniper work, but I have no experience with that.

                       44mm and smaller scopes serve the North American big game hunter and the military sniper very well indeed! You wanna destroy balance and handling? Just install a NF large objective, or one of those huge objective Euro wonder-scopes on an M40A1, or even worse, on your average deer or elk rifle @ eight lbs. or under.

Moe,

     Don't got no M14, figured a NM M1A would do. Got naked, held it above my head and ran around the barracks yelling "this is my rifle, this is my gun". Got the bayo lug caught on the silk canopy of the ol' ladys four poster. Ain't seen her so mad since I tried the "Rodeo F***in' " routine *:-(

ALAN

ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, Colorado, USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 04:11:03 (ZULU)

Kevin of the Great White North <bolandks@shaw.ca>
- Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 04:34:44 (ZULU)

Pete L- Yep we can check our neighborhood for pervos here.  It won't give the names or addresses (to protect the guilty) but it shows a map with little markers at the locations of the pukes house.  It doesn't take much to find them if you really want to.  I'm almost afraid to check around my or my families houses any more...it's really scary.

Gearheads...I knew there was a reason I liked this site so much...cars too.  I have a 68 Merc Cougar sporting a BOSS 351 (slightly modified =).  I used to run a little braket with it and it still is in the 10's.  I'm getting ready to rebuild/improve the engine/tranny and tub/narrow the rear end while I'm working on it.  Fun stuff.   Have a few good parts in the garage too, 460's, tunnel rams and all sorts of neat little go fast things.

The front night sight on my Kimber Pro CDP went dead this week =(  I talked to the Kimber custom shop and I will get it in the mail this weekend.  The folks at Kimber seemed really cool and are going to take care of me just fine.  

Take care all,

Joe S.      

Joe S. <spojoehpd@aol.com>
Dago, CA, USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 09:39:27 (ZULU)

Glad you liked it.  Like I said, I'm working on a 20 shot at 500, 600 and 1K with burgers and dogs in between 600 and 1K for Novenmber or December.  Hope ya'll can make it down in the rollin; Chea La Wie again ;) (that was one serious bad ass ride man)  BTW,, That was the highest score for 308win,,  You sandbaggin?

Nick,

If you're reading this,, shouldn't you be running?  Problem isn't you're run time,, it's that you spend all you time chasing west Memphis tail...  Put the crack whore down and back away sir,,, The swellin' will subside in a few days. ;))  Hope you can make it to the Sep 22nd match.  I have NO DOUBT that that monster will perform at 1K,, it's a superb rifle.

Hawgs,,

Dick at Premier Reticle has let slip that he's working on selling a S&B 4x14x42 with his Gen II MilDot reticle...  Not sure if it's PMII line, but this sounds like it could be the one....  I'd encourage anyone who would like one of these to drop Dick an email and let it be known.  He's doing a lot for this community, and I for one will continue to back him for his efforts.

Brian,

Jot me down for one of those in Hardcopy also.  Sounds like it'll be excellent, but PLEASE,, lottsa pics ;)  I not too gud at reeding thees dais...

FatBoy...

Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
Next 1K shoot at the AEDC in Tullahoma TN is Sept 22, Get with me for match schedule and details. "Gun sluts are both welcome and encouraged.", - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 11:16:52 (ZULU)

Not just shot 3 or 4 rounds, but have given them a good try out to long range.  I have a Frenchie frog friend who is a ballistician that needs info on them.. drop me an e-mail, I don't want to start another crapy thread on these things.

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 11:39:31 (ZULU)

Kevin (Andy's Dad)I will be at Rod's in October.  Look forward to shooting with you and Andy again.  I think Danny Mull may be there but I am not sure.  I saw your post on the large ALICE pack you had modified by "Tactical Tailor".  What mods did they make? What was the cost?  Do they have a web site?

T

I have the older Blackhawk style Three Day Assault Pack.  It is nice, well built like their other stuff but a little small compared to the ALICE pack.  I just ordered the add-on compartments that attach to the side of the pack but I haven't tested them yet.  You can also get a stuff sack that attaches to the bottom of the pack.  Will let you know how they work if you are interested.

Who has the best prices on issue Gortex pants?  Best I have found so far is about $160.00.  I know someone must have them cheaper.

Keith

Keith <keith37f20@excite.com>
WV, - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 11:47:56 (ZULU)

The 22nd should be good to go!  I'll try to get up your direction again in a couple weekends to practice at the 6 if we can.  That wind will really knock me out of it if'n I don't get used to dealing with it.  Time to load up a bunch and get ready.  

Knives-----Anybody handle one of the new SEAL knives by SOG?  I checked out the SEAL Pup model and liked it.  No field time with it though.  Just curious.

Nick

Nicholas Gebhardt <gebhardt02@yahoo.com>
Memphis, TN, US - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 13:44:08 (ZULU)

Scott <powers1@voicenet.com>
- Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 14:05:27 (ZULU)

Keith, we'll be there (SMTC) with bells on.  Because "Team Mussack" doesn't win very often our new motto is, "We're here for the beer."

Ref: Tactical Tailor

The web site is: http://www.tacticaltailor.com/index.htm

I had new shoulder straps and kidney belt attached, all stress points reinforced and fastex buckles installed on all the pouches and a drag handle installed.  A big draw back to the ALICE large as issued is it it slow to get into the main compartment.  With the Fastex buckles you can be in and out in a wink.  What did it cost?  Heck, I can't even remember my home phone number anymore.  They say the memory is the second thing to go and I can't remember the first thing.  I do remember that the guys at Tactical Tailor are "Good to Go".

out

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 14:42:04 (ZULU)

Jackson <hondacloser@prodigy.net>
Central, MO, USofA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 14:47:45 (ZULU)

Congrats Bro !

Dean Miller <ar15dcm@bellsouth.net>
Buford, GA, USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 15:24:08 (ZULU)

Glad to help out a guy get closer to his woman!  :-)

She didn't ask you what the hell you were doing?!  hehehe

Moe

Moe Mensale <mjmensale@aol.com>
Boca Raton, FL, US of A - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 15:48:32 (ZULU)

     "She didn't ask what you were doing?"

After all these years she's already convinced that I'm nuts.

ALAN

ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, Colorado, USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 16:01:58 (ZULU)

Thanks for the info on Tactical Tailor.  I think I am going to send my ruck off to them to have it reworked.

Keith

Keith <keith37f20@excite.com>
WV, - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 16:52:36 (ZULU)

If anyone feels this has already been done to death please hit me off Roster with your thoughts.

As always, any help will be much appreciated.

All the Best

Jon

P.S. What about releasing agent?

Jon Beardsley <jon@sgreadan.fsnet.co.uk>
- Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 17:02:59 (ZULU)

I had been firing 150 gr. fmjbt's but for some reason, my rifle didn't like 'um much.  I was literally all ove the page and never got a good grouping.  Last weekend I fired up some Rem. 180 gr. core lokt psp's with great results and eight shots in a string sub moa.

The question I have is this.  Going from 150 to 180, my cold bore shot was on line but 2moa straight south =( is there a way to calculate how much drop will occur when trying different bullet weights prior to shooting that first shot?  As for scopes, my BSA 4-16x42AO w/target turrets and mildots is great but the 1/8 moa is just too fine of an adjustment.  Sorry guys, bought it before I started reading here.

Daniel Flores <savage10fp@yahoo.com>
ca, usa - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 17:30:27 (ZULU)

So that corroborates what Chris said about the scope.  

The scope I asked for was a 4-14X44mm 30mm tube, side focus with 1/4 moa clicks and a Gen II reticle.

Response ... "The factory in Germany is already working on a scope with these features.

Sincerely,

Mark Cromwell

Schmidt & Bender"

Holding my breath...

LT

LTChip
Placerville, CA, - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 18:11:14 (ZULU)

Jaeger, thanks for helping me with the Glock pitch! I forget some of the importante stuff. I apologize for liking this old piece of plastic so much. One time long ago I told about trying a HS Glock copy. I think that's what Springfield is now selling (for quite a bit more money I might add). I saw another, the other day, It really works fine and shoots a little better than the Glock. But it ain't quite as fast...he he! Rubber sights!

Brogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
- Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 18:33:05 (ZULU)

 5R Barrels on the market in a factory riffle?  I thought my gunshop was pulling my leg...where's my checkbook..and another good divorce attorney?

Hot Rods?  Me, I opened my exhaust from the turbo back on my 7.3L Diesel, added an unrestricted airbox (coldair) and chipped the computer to increase mileage/torque etc.  My F250 can now pull down yer house.  Now that's performance!  Plus, it gets real close to 20MPG!  My big thrill now concerns "wheel travel" and ground clearance.  I got out of the hotrod mind set when I blew my motor on the 67 chevelle (High School). Now, it's just towing capacity and off-road suitability that provides thrills...but by all means have fun goin' fast!  We all have our money pits...seems that garages and gunsafes rule this site.  I love it here!

Mike (Rock):  Do you mind visitors?  I'd like to stop by in my travels about the state...drop me an email if this might be possible!  

Active Duty:  The Army just suspended Re-enlistment bonuses and locked out reenlistments within 90 days of ETS (exceptions require PERSCOM waiver with GO endorsement).  Bonuses should be back in effect on 1 OCT--but don't wait if this puts you inside of 90 days of your ETS!  Unless you are in tight with the CG...otherwise it will result in your becoming an unemployed former soldier.  Not my policies, nobody got my vote on these...so don't go shootin' the messenger...

Joe M.

Joe Mahon <joseph.mahon@usarec.army.mil>
EC, WI, US - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 18:53:42 (ZULU)

Nasty and credible Israeli Bio-War scenario.  This is interesting.

http://www.thenewrepublic.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020902&s=zacharia090202

Dan

CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
- Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 19:07:01 (ZULU)

Well had an interesting weekend, had some hunting blokes over from the UK, they shot 5 or 6 boars, one rather nice one, one was wounded and got away( what did i say about kneck shots) a badger and a fox. Had some fun Friday night teaching some Immigrant the finer points of respect, he'd never heared of the Glasgow Kiss until then.. The Brit blokes wanted to have a look around the Frankfurt red light district, they had heared it was something like Amsterdam or the Rieperbahn in Hamburg, man what a shit hole that place is, goddamn druggies all over the place, the dregs of society hang out there, junkies injecting on every damn corner.

The political oppinion/possition here is that the German Gov't do not, under any circumstances support a move on iraq, They will not support the US or the UK in any action, well thanks a bunch Herr Schroeder, lets just hope you get voted out in September.

On knives, a guy drives at a rapid rate of knotts into a VCP in Northern Ireland, Squaddies and RUC on duty make ready to shoot the sod expecting to be attacked, car screaches to a halt, guy screams out the window, that the car has a bomb in it, he is strapped in with seat belt and tied in with some other stuff, rope, straps etc,and is panicking cos he is about to get blown all to hell,  a very sharp, swiss army knife, that just happened to be carried by one of the squaddies at the scene, saved the day, the guy was cut out in the knick of time, the VCP was cleared and the car blew all to hell, the whole place was a mess, but no casualties. An óld man, (who wasn't so old back then) told me to always carry a  pocket knife,waterproof matches, some string, and a catapult(sling shot or what ever you yanks call em), His grandfather had carried same in the trenches in France in War 1, Father (he is sure) probably carried same in Spanish civil war, he carried same in Korea and Egypt, and he figured I should also be equiped.

I ain't sure that a swiss army knife is the best for the job, but which ever you carry, make sure the sod is sharp, These serrated edge knives seem to be worth a look, Ive got a buck folding knife that has a part serrated blade, rubberised handle, i'ts my favorite at the mo.

Pete

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 19:56:20 (ZULU)

Nick

Nicholas Gebhardt <gebhardt02@yahoo.com>
Memphis, TN, US - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 19:58:44 (ZULU)

     Don't worry about the questions! There's always room for intellegent ones;-) About release agent, the liquid that comes with the Brownell kits works fine.... but their spraycan stuff seems to work better and is easier to use , IMHO. Don't use Marine-Tex White, it's meant for fiberglass boat hulls, etc. The gray works very well. Devcon is also real good, some smiths are using it with powdered titanium, seems like overkill to me. I've been using Brownells Steel-Bed for a couple of years. Works great, I see no reason to change at this point.

S&B Scopes,

          Boy, if they do actually build this one Pete L should be  paid some royalties! Probably be a big rush to "be the first kid on the block" to have one.  I'm sure that S&B won't release the first ones early and let the customers do their QC testing for them, like some other manufacturers do:-( Only two questions in my mind at this time - will it have the features that this community needs and wants?, and HOW MUCH WILL IT COST? HA! I'll probably be near the front of the waiting line, but inches and yards RULE;-)

ALAN

ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, Colorado, USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 20:05:15 (ZULU)

Might want to make a call to the local hospital and ask how many 2-PAM antidote kits they have on hand should a nerve gas attack happen.

sounds corny...don't it.

In 1994, I made a similar statement to a group of highly informed fire officers, suggesting that toppling one World Trade Center into another was very possible and a real risk...

that sounded corny too...

Jim Mitchell <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 20:14:10 (ZULU)

Jon, hows about some Belzona? ever heared of it? its a chemical metal that the Brit Army uses to bed the AI sniper rifle actions to the chassis of the stock. stuff was mega expensive as i remember, cost 80 quid for two pots(one has to be mixed with other) about the size of a pot nudle, I liberated 2 pots about the size of gallon paint tins when i left, i just wonder if the stuff has a shelf life? i'll have a butchers when i get back home.

Alan.I am sorely tempted to stick an order in for one of these S&B scopes, but after the italian sub fiasco, i think i may just wait to see what the thing looks like first. I've asked and asked about getting involved in field trails of kit, so far no go,

Pete

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 20:36:17 (ZULU)

 It's best to avoid the blisters at all cost.  That said, a blister is inevitable as feet swell or climate changes, etc.  Take preventative action on 'em immediately!  Callouses build without blisters just fine.    

 The boot that feels "perfect" when you buy it may play hell with your feet under loads.  Wish I had a solution, but trial and error was how I solved the worst of the blisters.  Modified jungle boots, any Danner model, and the old leg-boot (the ones with the tongue that slid around the ankles) worked best for me.  Some needed serious breaking-in...never pleasant.  To help during this process, I wore class "A" slippery nylon socks under the padded wool deals, and that helped alot.  If I got a hot spot during break-in, I put mole skin before it blistered up.  Helped too.  I tried other boots that never worked, and that too sucked.  Hightecs and the GSG9 addidas worked as advertised, but wore through quickly.  Back when this was my living, cost was not an object and I would spend money to get the "right boot."  Subtle differences, like manufacturers, could render a boot unusable for me.  You'll find the same problems as you go.  My advice, FWIW, is to experiment until you nail it...

Joe

Joe Mahon <joseph.mahon@usarec.army.mil>
Eau Claire , WI, US - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 21:00:10 (ZULU)

Kevin of the Great White North <bolandks@shaw.ca>
- Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 21:06:14 (ZULU)

www.southeasttexas.com  click classifieds.  click firearms. surf down.

decent price.  It ain't mine.

brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 21:32:40 (ZULU)

      This place rocks! Guns and hot rods! But I have a problem my brethren. I have the need to purchase guns, ammo, tools, and speed parts. Unfortunately, I work for a small city which equals small pay. I can't make them feel my pain and subsidize my efforts.

 Anyway, I'm renovating my truck at the moment. It's a 1980 F100 stepside with a 400 big block. I'm gonna re-cam it, up the compression, etc. Would have already but I had to buy a clothes drier.

Then I needed another .308, I had only one, so I was behind! I'm glad y'all know what I mean.

 I was very close to buying a '67 Cougar XR7(all original except with

351C 4V, had 289 to begin with) from a guy in Pensacola. Even had the Anaheim,CA dealer's tag frame! Then I had to buy my parents house. Had to because I was going to loose my garage! Then I had to buy a M1 and a die set for .30-06(needed it for my collection, you know).

 After the truck is finshed I think I might go the street rod route. Looking at A models and '32 Vicky's. I have a 390 6V(3 dueces) I want to put into something special.

 I'm not a Ford only man, I like all hot rods. Just like guns, I like them all.

 Gonna shoot my new .308 this weekend. That'll relieve some of my pain.

          LATER  Y'ALL

Jody Calhoun <gotrektheslayer@comcast.net>
Saraland, AL-Heart of Dixie, USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 23:11:12 (ZULU)

http://www.ashevilletribune.com/gun_toting_granny.htm

It will make your WEEK!!!!!

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 23:14:34 (ZULU)

Jim,

I remember reading a while back where our government is working on preparing something like (don't quote me on this) about 200,000 smallpox vaccines for all areas and levels of health care providers in this country.

I suppose that we'll be hearing about it soon.

--

Also, did you read CDC's URL he posted? "WHY SADDAM DOESN'T NEED MISSILES."

--

JERUSALEM, ISRAEL

The scenes are grimly familiar. In the Gaza Strip, Palestinian children carrying rifles chant, "Ya Saddam! Ya Saddam!" and goad the Iraqi leader to lob Scud missiles at Israel. Up the Mediterranean coast, in the basement of a Tel Aviv kindergarten, 20 teachers watch a female soldier demonstrate how to administer atropine, an anti-nerve-gas agent, to students. The Israeli army's home-front command is urging citizens to upgrade old gas masks and take home iodine pills in case Saddam Hussein sends a missile into Israel's nuclear reactor and radiation leaks out. On August 21 Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his top security advisers ordered the immunization of emergency "first-response teams" against smallpox, a virus Saddam is believed to be able to mount on his Scuds, and they continue to discuss a population-wide inoculation. And Israel has scattered Arrow anti-missile batteries across the country to defend against an Iraqi attack."

--

Administering Atropine for Nerve Gas? New one on me. Use it for Asystole and Bradycardia... but nerve gas? Well, it is a Parasympathetic blocker. Just don't know the characteristics of any form of nerve gas and its pathophysiological response.

Change of Protocols coming? Maybe so.

Mark W

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Got Mildots?, Texas, U.S. of A - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 23:25:25 (ZULU)

Jody, I know what you mean buddy, i was dumb enough to buy this damn house i bought, had to cancell 2 hunting trips, been working my ass of ever since and I'm $300000 worse off and the bloody place still isn't finnished. Then I blew my jeep engine, then the wife cooked her damn volkswagen, I am gagging to spend some cash on some new toys,I want one of these M16 lookalikes we can have here now, before they decide we can't have em any more, then i want an Enfield N04 Mk 1 T, and an L42. and 3 of these S&B scopes that are in the pipeline.

I used to be into custom cars a few years ago too, used to drag race a Plymouth Roadrunner, then i got into hillclimbing with BL mini's and opel manta's, and grass tracking with a ford, cost me a damn fortune, but it was all fun. Wife goes back to work end of September, maybe then i will have some spare pennies for toys.. Pete

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 23:30:14 (ZULU)

I sent you a scope question via e-mail...

Joe, Locking out re-ups? Ok, this makes no sense to me at this point..

JC. I posted a question on the Battle Rifle web site concerning the scopes we discussed. I got no real response to the question..

Moe, You are a braver man than me for doing the Rodeo thing. My wife would have killed me... Just to be sure we are dicussing the same thing here, That's when you call her by another woman's name once your all hot and bothered right? Once I broke all her David Winter Cottages in one fell swoop. She didn't get to upset. Atleast the Don Stivers prints were unharmed.

If we still talking Knives, Can not beat a Kbar. I need to get another one. The most important thing about knives as has already been said is to have one. You can get picky when more than one is present.

Dirty Steve, Out

Steve Dickerson <Ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 23:43:57 (ZULU)

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