August 01, 2000 - August 05, 2000
I've now sent it to Leupold twice in the past month. Initially it was b/c the 1/4 MOA clicks were a bit off. They fixed that and adjusted the parallax. Got it back and found that to bring my 100-yd target into crisp focus (at 14x) I had to turn the AO to 400!
Sent it back, they swore up and down that it was working fine. It was set at 4.5x when I got it back. I checked and sure enough, crisp at 100-yds meant 400 on the AO.... I've gotta talk to them tomorrow and see if they actually tested it manually at 14x b/c at 4.5x it's hard to see the difference.
Anyone experienced this before? Any suggestions? What the hell?
Feel free to respond direct...and thank you!
Mat <nanook@voyager.net>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 01:39:04 (ZULU) (your host address:
207.90.126.107)
Looks like the STG/L1A1 and the M1A are in the lead. The prices for a quality STG are in the same range as the M1A but the mags are cheaper. The M1A has better iron sights. The STG has less moving parts and gas adjustment. What's a mother to do? Before I take a dive, please indulge a couple more questions:
If I get the M1A loaded package, is the night vision scope offered with the loaded deal any good? Definitely not interested in the Springfield scope or mount unless I get the NV.
If I get the L1A1, what other accessories/parts do I need to figure on purchasing, other than mags of course?
I really don't care to scope this weapon unless I go with NV on the M1A1. Have enough invested in scoped bolt guns now. This will be just a field rifle to compliment the PSS.
Bolt now lets this ordeal rest, know you're glad of that!
Bolt Out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 02:15:01 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.190.223)
The scope that Springfield ships with their ex-IDF sniper rifles would appear to be the old AN/PVS-2, a GEN 1 scope that has been obsolete in US service for decades. It is probably better than a lot of the Russina stuff out there, but it should not be confused with a modern piece of gear. The next NVD equipment I buy will definatly be GEN II or better. Much more effective and durable.
On FAL must-have spares, there realy isnt too much outside of mags that you need. The one special tool I would recomend would be the one needed to pull the extractor, which in the FAL scheme of things would appear to be an armorer rather than end-user task. There are several good, sturdy and fairly cheap scope mounts available for the FAL, an impossible combination to find for the M14. You might want one for group testing and ammo selection, if nothing else.
-Tom
Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Colatown, SC, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 03:10:55 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.31.204.125)
Okay gang - took on the Badger Rings on the heavy Remington... aka .308 towed according to the Major. I took pictures as promised and put some words to them as done earlier...
Take a read - Lapping
Badgers.
P.S. you salty types - feel free to give guidance about this stuff
- Ima learning as I go along...
Enjoy!
Ken :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
Nokesville, Va, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 03:17:28 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
Ken
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
Nokesville, VA, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 03:18:47 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
My thanks to all who responded to my questions regarding which AR varient to buy. Bushmaster is in the lead, so far.
Anyone read the papers recently? Local paper here in Seattle (The Seattle Times) had several articles of callouts over what appears to be anger issues. Is it my imagination or are agencies getting more callouts this summer season than last, particularly with angry barricaded subjects? From my vantage as a street cop, people are generally angrier and more short tempered these days. Anyone else, cop or citizen, see this as well? (our callout rate for the team (county tactical) has been the same but the number of angry folks has dramatically increased)
Last, has anyone done business with a ghillie maker by the name of Mike Stanberry? He seems like a decent person and appears to make some nice ghillies but was curious if anyone else had worked with him or bought ghillies from him.
Thanks!
Morris
Morris <mparrish@oz.net>
Seattle Metro, WA, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 05:03:31 (ZULU)
(your host address: 216.39.131.90)
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 10:17:09 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
How does the new Nightforce NXS stack up aginist those Godly Leupolds?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Seriously, anyone have any comments about these high dollar numbers?
Danny
Danny Reever <dreever@supernet.com>
Arendtsville, Pa, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 11:21:50 (ZULU)
(your host address: 165.83.118.152)
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 12:09:48 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.237.107)
The Shooter <kkonen@usa.net>
God Bless TX, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 13:45:00 (ZULU) (your
host address: 208.21.196.108)
In regards to your question about Call-outs for the SWAT teams, I
agree that there seems to be an increase of barricaded confrontations.
I live in Ky not far from Louisville, and this past weekend there were
5 shootings: one murder-suicide by an abusive boyfriend, two drive bys,
a gunfight between two drunks, and one more, but the details escape me
at the moment. This is not typical for Louisville according to the police
chief.
There have been several incidents of barricaded suspects requiring
SWAT intervention this year. Fortunately, most have ended without anyone
getting killed.
Bill
Bill B <dc8plumber@aol.com>
Ky, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 14:36:21 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.196.24)
Mini-14's. Now, what if I said I could get one:
that weighed within 1/2 pound (+/- half pound) of a M-4
has a 16.25" barrel + flash hider, and printed 4 to 6" at 400 yards
and totally reliable, with a good (spelled aftermarket) trigger.
Made by the same guy that supplied them to the SEAL FAC team that lead the way into Kuwait, among many other odd teams and groups.
Spoke to the guy in detail last night (hour or so), and he sounds like a smart cookie. Brought up the fact that the guy that designed the Mini was on the design team that came up with the M-14 from the Garand, so the design is sound, but the execution sucks.
I'm gonna check his references, he says Clint Smith would welcome one of his rifles since he's had plenty of first hand experience with this individual's work, but turns away all other Mini's in a heartbeat.
Or, failing that, taking a rack grade M1A to the CQB class ;-)
Thanks!
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as the, USA - Tuesday, August 01,
2000 at 17:51:06 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
-Marv
marv <mahaugen@ccsd.k12.wy.us>
wy, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 18:34:08 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.181.22.66)
Bravo. damm dude you are killing me with this Mini 14 thing. I said
what I thought of them. You buy and show up with what ever you like. I
would try and teach you to get the most out of a sling shot. The SEALs
using Mini 14? You make a mistake maybe? Last I heard the work out gods
used M4 and M14's for the most part. I would like to see the thought process
that suggested any Mini 14 was half as good as a M4 or M14. Must be that
great gas system or captured recoil guide rod, oh sorry the Mini 14 has
neither. Even if you get one to work fairly well, magazines are slow to
change and the good magazines are hard and expensive to find.Last bit of
advice never try and make something out of nothing. You will end up with
a mini 14 that cost morte than a good AR. Just get an AR/CAR and you wont
be sad.
Mike Miller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 18:49:12 (ZULU) (your host
address: 205.188.193.29)
Has anyone had the oppertunity to shoot Black Hills diamond line
of 6.5x284 W/142 gr. BTHP?
There is some delay in getting components. One lot was produced
and there was not enough to supply the demand it seems.
Any thoughts or experiences are greatly appereciated.
Bill B. <Byfords@obtnet.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 20:29:16 (ZULU) (your host address:
4.20.172.115)
I just can't afford the $85 Armalite wants per 20 rounder.
Thanks Again,
Mike
seekers <seekers@webcombo.net>
Coeur d'Alene, ID, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 20:33:33 (ZULU)
(your host address: 63.20.49.187)
THere is no reason to look anywhere else than the flat top AR15A2 varients for the best 5.56 assault type rifle PERIOD.
Any of you guys see write up on the SA M-21 in the lastest issue of "Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement" Typical gun rag. The first 10 test shots were off due to loose scope mounts and the author proclaims that the rifle is "Special Ops ready".
Makes me wanna hurl!
I think I have some beer left.......
Out here
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 22:28:31 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.159)
If you feel lucky, take your paycheck to Las Vegas. And buy a nice Bushmaster.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 23:05:36 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.28)
Now settled on STG for the money and the mag cost. Now to pick from the hundred million different combinations. Think the L1A1 is in the lead, couple of good ones for sale on GunsAmerica if anyone wants to preview them for me, hint hint hint!
Still have a Steyr SPP for sale if anyone is so inclined.
Ken, glad you made it through the lapping session, you must not have gotten it right if it only took you 2.5 hours LOLLOLLOL. Now don't forget to torque the screws properly! Gosh, where did I learn that?
Bolt out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 23:52:01 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.44.12)
If I remember correctly, feeding and jam's were the issue.
You would be wise indeedy, if you get some feedback from a FEW people who have run these dude's.
Are there any Brit's,that post here?.
That would have the working knowledge of these units.
Again, no concrete article I can put a finger on, but do remember a problem area w/ them.( maybe rectified, don't know).
for what it's worth......Two Shoes
Two Shoes <tls8323@cs.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 02:02:09 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.197.48)
Think I'll just get another bolt gun and design a 20 round mag for
it! Gimme that hacksaw!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 03:16:28 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.44.12)
TLMAO! G.W.L.E. is definately "sniper ready", great for Deepest-Darkest-emunctory
actions on the porcelain throne. Don't waste the good stuff hurling.............
Bravo,
Ruuuu? Ruuuug Mmmi-mmmmmini Whaaaat? Get a BM-59 Dude! Get a AR-10,
Get a Stoner, Next we'll have you and Wild Bill teamed up and outshooting
all of us with'em .300 WinMagMan,
Ken,
Nice job and pix you compulser you. Any word on the Huntress? Safe
and sound?
Chao!
To my knowlege, the L1A1 is no more or less inherantly reliable than
a metric FAL. In fact the Commonwealth variants have additional clearance
cuts in the reciever andd bolt carrier to make the gun more crud-tolerant.
The major issue with a true L1A1 is that they use a rather different magazine
that is much less common that the metric mag. To further complicate things,
IMBEL receivers are avaialble with both inch (from Century Arms, on sale
this month for $210) and metric (about everywhere else) mag wells. Make
sure that, whatever you get, it take METRIC magazines.
Oh, two additional FAL gizzies that I thought I might mention as
worth having: an Israeli cocking handle (it's larger and gives you a forward
bolt assist) and a Commonwealth-pattern top cover with open front and integral
stripper clip guide. The latter requires two slight mill cuts to the standard
metric receiver to fit but otherwise slides right on.
Bolt, when you say that you want a "L1A1", just what do you mean?
If you mean that literaly, the be advised that many L1A1 and C1A1 parts
sets on the US market are in relativly poor condition compaired to the
StG-58 parts sets. As for the Indian parts that somoetimes pop up, dont
bother. There are actualy fout different specs for FAL parts out ther in
the world: Inch, Metric, Israeli (mostly compatible with Metric but with
a few excpetions) and Indian. These last were made without licence from
FN from a handful of backwards-engineered rifles and are their own little
world dimentionaly.
Personaly, I would focus on getting a known-good basic rifle first
(IMBEL and StG-58, hold the pickle, hold the mayo) and *then* we can talk
about how to set it up *just* for you. :)
As for Mini 14s, I been aroud a number of them and, while they certainly
rank right up their with the AKM as a benchrest rifle, they have always
functioned very well. What is breaking on all these guns in the tactical
schools? The only one I ever actualy saw with something broken on in my
time in the gunsmith biz was a Ranch Rifle with a busted rear sight.
Mike/Seekers seeking Inch mags for AR-10 (?):
I don't thing thats gonna' work, m'man. The AR-10 mag is very closely
related to the M-14 mag. The FAL mag is a rather different animal from
the M-14 mag. The Metric ones are a fair bit wider, for one thing. I dont
know if the Inch mags are any narrower but there are other differences,
anyway.
-Tom
Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
PeteR: If I could FIND a BM-59, and AFFORD the mags, it'd be quite
the rifle! I've had the pleasure of playing with one for an hour or so
(my ammo), but I had to leave it with it's owner. You jest, but if I thought
I could get away with it for real, I'd take a rack grade M1A or FAL out
there. You get the idea I love John Garand and his many decendants?
All right, I'll "go with the flow" and do the CAR type. Just don't
think that this makes me a victim of peer pressure! After all, I was told
M1A's won't do what mine does either ;-) And as a SUPER wise man on the
M-14's said very recently, it's surprizing how many times you hear someone
calling for a AR armorer at the national matches, and it's also surprizing
how many times you DON'T hear someone calling for a M-14 armorer.
Mike: I was told that it was the PT superstars that ordered and had
delivered via APO something like a dozen of them. Will I stand up and say
that? Well, I'll stand up and say that was what I was told..... Oh, and
what's the best weight and material for slingshot pellets? JOKE!!
Have a quick recovery James and Mike, keep up with the 'yote bait
anyway LOL.
SGT Williams
You should not have to lap badger rings if the action is square and
the base is good everything should be perfect!
Lastly IF! you have to lap in the ring bottoms you DO NOT! need to
lap the tops! they will float to find center! they are just STEEL DUCT
TAPE with screws! think about it..do the math, physics will set you free.
Martin <Badgerord@aol.com>
I mounted a scope on mine and shoot MOA at 100yds easily with federal
ammo. I believe the rifle (Century FA91) is capable of shooting close to
MOA at 300yds. The scope that is on it is not the best. I am planning to
upgrade, however my Rem 700 shoots better and better for every dollar I
spend on it....
So in my opinion for less that $1000 i got exactly what I was looking
for. Which included rifle, scope, rings and a case. I haven't had any problems
with it yet.
bryan
All this talk of QBC, Mini14 v.s. CAR Etc made me take a look at
the Bushmaster Catalog that was collecting dust on the shelf, and that
has prompted these curiosity questions:
Flash suppressor/brake options on a rifle is overwhelming. For qbc
Im assuming you want one, but what style is best?
To the entry team guys out there: On page 33 of the latest bushmaster
catalog they show the "Phantom" suppressor. and a quote from the catalog,
they state " The Phantoms leading edges can become a bayonet style weapon
in hand to hand combat situations"
Bravo or DC8; what is the purpose of of the flash suppressor on the
m14. how does it effect accuracy? Does anyone make a m1a barrel with a
non flash suppressed target crown?
Im new and full of questions- please forgive me all :-)
thanks- Rick
I also noticed the Phantom flash hider, and that is what I specified
for use on my AR buildup. Geoff says that there is a new flash hider for
use with the (yeah, gonna reference them again) PT heroes, and it really
works well, but he told me that it would cost $200. NOPE! And I will take
Geoff's word for what stuff goes out there, he has the credentials to prove
it.
Go get 'em Bill! Just don't have a coronary in the process! ;-)
I'm working on a new tactical/hunting play rifle chambered for 6.5/06
ack imp 40 degree. Has anyone played with this cal. using 142 sierra matchkings,
Berger 140s or Sierra 140 Gamekings ? Is the proper method of forming the
cases to neck up a 25/06 than load and fire form for the ack ? Anyone have
any load data for a medium burning powder ?
The rifle is a Manlycher action flat bolt, Canjar trigger, Hart 21"
barrel and McMillan McHale adjustible stock. Optic is a custom rail mount,
Mark 4 rings and Mark 4 10x mildot scope.
Any feedback would be welcome. Thanks..
Has any one come across a MK4 with round mil dots? I was doing a
little mil dot ranging today ( a little rain earlier, range is a mud bog)
and I noticed that the dots on my reticle are not the football shaped dots.
I know that Leupold does not put round dots except on their laser etched
MK4 M3a's that the Army uses. Any of you ever seen this, did I just luck
out?
Kush out
I went with a 21" barrel because I have a lot of long range cals.
already and I just wanted to play with something different. A mid range
tac driver around 2800 fps with more balance from a shorter barrel and
less weight was what I was looking for. With some of the faster powders
I don't forsee much of a problem in obtaining these results.
Thanks....
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
My Mk4-M3 has round dots.
"ALL" Mildot Mark-4 scopes (M1 and M3) direct from Leupold, have
round dots, on glass... Mark-4 scopes that have been sold by Premier, or
re-fitted by Premier, have football dots on wire.
For the M3-LR's... all of them, whether from Lupita, or Premier,
have football dots on wire... no round dots are available for the M3-LR's.
'lito
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
Guess I'm gonna load up some blasting 5.56 ammo in preparation of
the CAR type's return. Another name to come up with. Now you guys know
why I've been selling off stuff. Is the 55 FMJ all right, or should I step
up to the SS109 for about double the cost (hey, it's CLOSE quarters, right?)?
Oh, and one last thing. I don't recall the difference between the A1 and
A2 stocks besides seeming like the A1 was about an inch shorter. What's
the differences on these? I've decided to take Geoff's advice and go with
a fixed A1 stock with A2 buttplate over the telescoping, since I figure
that I won't remember to pull it out when my feet hit the ground. Feel
free to give me a hint or two on the buttstocks (and opinions on the tele-pipe).
Thanks guys!
I'm about to set up my first "sniper" rig. I've been playing with
deer guns and AK's for a long time now, but now I want to play a little
more :)
I'm baffled on scope selections. I think I've decided to go with
one of the Tasco Super Sniper scopes though. I found some really good prices
on an online shop (let me know if you want to know the address). They have
the 10x42M for 399.95 each or 349.95 for two or more and I have a friend
who would prolly buy one with me. They also have the 10x42 for 299.95.
And they have a 16x42 and a 20x42 that I didn't even know Tasco made they
are also selling for 299.95
They also have a Tasco "custom shop" 8-40x56 with a 30mm tube and
this one has the Side parallax adjustment and target knobs with MIL DOT
reticle. Now would this be okay to use?
Will 10x be enough for say 1000 yards? Or will the 16x or 20x fixed
be too much for 75-200 yards?? Would I be okay with the variable power
scope? Would mirage really be that much greater? Also would the variable
power scope make the Mil-Dots useless? Hrmmm...I guess you could just use
the mil-dots at a certain magnification every time to get your reading
right?
I need some help guys...and as far as a rifle, I'm leaning towards
a Rem. 700 VLS in 6mm or 308. I'd rather have the .308 but I know that
6mm is a lot flatter-shooting cartridge so I'm torn there as well. I just
want to be able to shoot all ranges up to 1000 yards and hit whatever I
want to.
Thanks for the help in advance!
You are the MK4 man, you know eeeeevrything! Thanks for the info,
it is greatly appreciated
Semper Fi.
Kush out
P.S., I have my "blank" knobs with yardages in the 168 GM out to
500 so far, a few more yard lines and it's off to the engraver
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
I just bought a Savage .270 and the dern barrel is shiny. I need
to know if there is any way to make it black or brown or something without
paying to have it blued. I was thinking of using High Temperature spray
paint but didn't want to do this without asking a second opinion. What
are my options here?
Thanks,
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
Hope to get there early, do you know if they are/have a 1k qualifier
Sun a.m.?.
Bring the new beast, want to see that sorry "factory", shooter.
Two Shoes (Terry) <tls8323@cs.com>
Clean the outer surface of your barrel with rubbing alcohol, (dont
touch the cleaned surface with your skin) plug the barrel with an old ear
plug, then attack that puppy with your choice color of Rustolium. Prime
it if you feel the need. Its the poor mans blueing solution.
Unless you are belt feeding that thing you dont need to worry about
high temperature paint.
Out here
Damn dude. You aint asking for much are you?
Stick with .308 unless you are an avid handloader. Scopes been beat
to death on here. As far as I'm concerned go with whatever scope you decide
on and get the Badger rings/mounts to ensure enough elevation for 1000.
Ken. I was wondering how long it would take for Marty to get on board
re: the lapping of his Badger Ord rings. Be careful man. He might send
in a Red Cross rep to do a health and welfare check on his babies you got
there.
Out again
So did you stab these serbs with a phantom suppressor? So why do
I need a Boynet option on my m16/m4/a3 with microwave and tv tray mounted
on a Arms #19 with QD just in case my popcorn burns? :-)
seriously though, I dont know why Is it because of accessories like
lasers lights etc?
Thanks- Rick
My sincere regrets in mis-typing your name in that last post. Sorry!
it IS real early here.
Thanks- Rick
I was tinlering around and decided that the Sierra 165gr HPBT is
a decent bullet. It shoots almost as good as a SMK 168 does. I also feel
that it has more stopping ability since it was designed to expand. Has
anyone else tried these?
Bad Karma
'lito.
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
'lito
BlackHills 6.5 x 284 must be shipping now, as a dealer here got some
in a few days ago. If the dealer makes any money off the stuff at all,
you will be paying probably close to $1.20 up, per round. Norma brass seems
to be the holdup, as many reloading places have huge orders for it and
don't expect it to arrive until fall. I have seen at least one place asking
$.80 each for 100 pieces of Norma brass in that caliber, which is nicely
excessive, and they cannot keep it in stock.
Plenty of guys winning around here shooting that caliber with Winchester
brass.
Good luck,
Old Dog
I think you get my drift, go fer it..............
Two Shoes <tls8323@cs.com>
Rob
I am building this varmint weight model 7 7mm-08, 22+ inch barrel,
fairly fat pipe @ .850" mzl, it's at the chamber lathe as we speak. Now,
what would a good choice of glass be for this caliber. It is not considered
a 1000 yarder by any means, but it's no brush gun either, it will definitely
push over 500 meters. I think I'm going with a Leopuold compact, 2 x 7
or 3 x 9 if I decide to take it into the Black Hills lookin' for Bambi's,
but I am looking for the real deal here, when I wanna find that buffalo
silhouette at 600 yds+. I all ready have the 4.5-14 varX3, a Burris 4-12,
for higher end scopes. Do you think this would be a good time and gun to
start learning the Mil-Dot??? Help me out Gooch, mrbullet, peteR, MikeM..
you guys wanna know who makes the .308 tack drivers, look no further,
LOL.
Out here
JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
Sorry, my sometimers has got to be actin' up.
I read what you said, but my brain was somewhere else!
So, ya'll are thinkin'"What else is new?)
I meant the 165 SPBT, not the BTHP...............Sorry
Max range for .308 M118 = 5400 yds = 3 miles.
Max range for 300 Win 220 match = 6100 yds = 3.5 miles.
Max range for 50 BMG = ~10,000 yds = 5.6 miles.
'lito
Guys, I've taken the "big leap". Starting today, Bravo Brew has taken
a quantum leap. I've now got a temperature controlled fermenter / keggerator.
To celebrate, the first keg will be an Octoberfest, in August!! Next time
you hear "cold brewed", "crystal clear", etc, think of me ;-) And gimme
a little time to get it assembled, then we'll have cold beer ON TAP. Now
if I can only find those USMC taps made out of K-Bars.....
Mark - dude - your rings are the finest that I have seen so far.
I like the idea that i could use those to hold buggy axles in place if
needed.
Kent will probably tell ya that it's 'cause the Huntress is overseas
right now and I need something to play with...
Later Folks,
Ken :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
I also wanted to see if my arms would get larger... :)
And - lastly - if I'm hitting off for some reason - it won't be gouges,
flexing, etc induced by uneven pressures from the mounting system. It's
allup to me.... :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
For all you 7.62 semi fans... Armalite is running a special where
they will convert (5) M14 mags (USGI, Chicom, SA) into AR10 compatible
mags for $100. This makes AR10 mags a bit more affordable at about $40-50
each. To be honest, I think Armalite takes quite a bashing and really does
turn out some really nice stuff... The Armalite "15s" really do have a
nice fit and finish and some decent quality...
Guten Nacht.
Jim Mitchell <james_mitchell@merck.com>
Theres NEVER a bad time to learn Mil-Dots and ranging skills!
Sounds like a neat general purpose rifle, What are you planning to
shoot through it 168's? Velocity?
FWIW - I'd go Badger Base and Rings/ Leup 3.5-10x50mm /or Tactical
3.5-10x40mm M-3. Their size should balance well on the rig and go great
with a pair of Robins Egg Blue pumps!
Chao!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
McMillan says at least another 2 weeks as of todays conversation.
Man, I'm gettin' antsy! Don't even have the CAR to play with. What's a
man to do with his hands? Any ideas Ken?
And after a rather poor few days on the "other site", please let
me complement virtually ALL you guys. Your professionalism, knowlege, and
willingness to impart not only your knowlege, but friendship as well, make
this my e-home. I don't say it enough, but, well, as Kent said
Thanks lots for all the advice. It appears I do need to go with a
fixed power scope, although there were some negative comments about the
Tasco scopes (and some really good ones too).
I think I have actually decided to go with the Savage 12 series with
the stainless fluted barrel and laminated stock just to be different. Everyone
that shoots at my range is toting a Remington 700 (I know that there's
a reason for that). Anyway our 600 yard range won't be complete for a few
more monts and my NEW WIFE has told me I can't buy another gun/scope until
I buy us new living room furniture. So anyway
Until then I'll just keep plowing down the 6" plates @300 yards with
my little 16" barreled AK-47 with a 1x magnification Kobra holo sight.
I'll let you know as soon as I start smacking new toys on my credit
card.
Thanks again,
jtnaylor <jtnaylor@flash.net>
Sounds like that McMillan wait is getting to you too.... might your
hands become abit itchy? :)
All:
I found the Federal .308 168grain GM match for $324.xx per case of
500. This is from that HopLite Dude.
Ken :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
I yesterday received an Accuracy International Arctic Warfare model,
made in 1995 marked AW with a sn under 2,000.
I have read everything I can find (in 3 books of "sniper rifles"
on the AI but they concentrate on the big picture, and not US sales. I
am wondering if anyone can give a summary of the history of the rifle series
as it applies to US sales. When were they first imported here? What models?
How were these models in the US different, if they were different, from
the international sales?
My gun says imported from Gunsite, Paulden, Ariz. It does not have
a muzzle break or flash hider. Here is a summary of this weapon, which
I am really impressed with far beyond my expectations. I will get to shoot
it this weekend to start the break in process I used.
Summary: To my touch the trigger breaks at about 2 lbs, no more than
2 1/2 lbs. The safety is on the bolt and is silent in application or deapplication.
The bolt is effortless and extremely smooth. The parker hale bipod legs
fold either foward or rearward and is an all steel bipod. The gun is extremely
well made finish wise and while it had green color in the bore when i used
a copper solvent in cleaning, it was extremely clean, apparently only having
been fired in the factory in testing.
Thanks for any information.
Robert <rtschiemer@aol.com>
On rifles, why is it guys have to be different and handicap themselves.
Just get a Remington or Winchester and be happy. The rest is a poor subsitute.
On scopes, I like the new US Optics Socom they have just released.
It is a straight ten power, 1/4moa adjustments, Adjustable Objective, 30mm
tube, 130 moa adjustment and built like a tank. Retail is less than a MK4
and it has far better optics. It is going on my new rifle by GA Precision(George
Gardner)I am calling "The Rock", because you will be able to break rocks
with it.
Lapping Rings, I rank that right up there with Mini 14's. Buy something
good and leave it alone. Badger or US Optics and just shoot it. Never lapped
a set and I seem to shoot OK.
Undude/Mike
Those in slotted spotter/sniper or dedicated DM roles using .223
AR's, what commercial loads are you using? Reasons why?
Thanks in advance for the information.
Morris
I looking at a Parker-Hale Bipod (getting tired of dragging the 40lb
sandbag around) and I sww that they make an aluminum or a steel Bi-pod.
I know the steel will be rock solid, but my rifle is a pig as is is, has
any one used or seen the aluminum version of the Parker-Hale? Is it as
beefy and reliable as the steel model?
Celer, Silens, Mortalis
Kush out
Mike: yeah, you shoot OK. And that 1220 HP blown nitro dragster is
"brisk". Where do I find out more about the SOCOM scope you're talking
about? They got literature on it? What size of objective it got? I'd like
to see "the rock" when you're done, but let's have nothing to do with "busting
my stones" ;-)
J.T.: I'd like to improve on what CDC said, but I can't. Of course,
for help, 'Lito might submit a household budget for your new wife like
he did for mine. You get the training, rifle, and ammo. Unfortunately "suicide
caused by culinary induced depression" is what came to mind ;-)
Michael Sheehan <mike1000@pacbell.net>
How do you like the US Optics ST-10 10x model scope ? How does it
compare to the SN6 and SN3 scopes ? Size, weight, materials, reticle etc
? How do the optics compare to their primo scopes ? Are you going to use
US Optics base and rings or something else ? My last SN6 that I mounted
on my 300 win mag I had made in 12x and I used a US Optics quick release
one piece mount with level bubble. The rings and removable mount peice
are all in one. The rings have 3 screws on each side of the rings for locking
the scope in place and are about twice the width of MK4 or US optics standard
rings. As long as you remember which position you placed it on the rail
when you zeroed it always comes back to zero when you remove. Only negative
is wieghs a lot more than rings.
I finally remembered to bring home a scale and weigh my .308 towed.
It comes in @ 19.5 LBS.... man what a Hog! and that's without a bipod,
ammo and sling. I've started carrying around a concrete block here at work
to condition myself for carrying it. I think I will ask the group if the
handle 'Porky' fits :)
Ken
Furniture! At least you can take a nap on it. My sweetie bought a
thousand dollar buffer. A WHAT!!? That's right … a friggin buffer… a huge
200 pound industrial buffer. Marble floor looks good though.
Bill971 <lhardin1@netscape.net>
Drive on....
Now I know why the guy has the gun barrel with a big engine and smoking
tires as his logo. If the guy has any childeren, gee, lucky kids! Daddy
builds nice toys!
Ken, man, I thought my 17 pound 223 was heavy. Ofcourse it is a semiauto
spacegun so I figured the weight was hard to avoid. It is such a riot(sarcasm)
to carry the lead pigeon around for a couple miles. For hoofing it around,
burrow style, it is about all I can do to keep that gun in the ready. Poor
wittle squirrels, who knows what they're thinking when they see me cresting
the hill with the muzzle high and the buttplate into my hip as if it is
a crewserved weapon, I'm Rambone damnit! My next squirrel gun is going
to be light weight, mark my words! One thing I like about the weight is
I do seem to actually be better in offhand shooting with the beast.
On your posting on the max range of the .50BMG.
In the 2000 #1 issue of the Very High Power magazine there is an
article on this very subject. If you have access to this, it's good reading.
Or e-mail me your postal address and I'll send you a copy of the article.
To all,
Thanks in advance. (or my face is red in advance if someone points
me to info about this on this site.)
Have a nice weekend.
John
John <jhugdahl@pressenter.com>
I have however drastically changed my anal retentive cleaning and
breakin procedures based on Gale McMillan's artice on the AR.15 site a
couple of months ago. Still not REAL comfortable with it but getting used
to it.
RICH S. - throw the JB away and don't look back, bad stuff, bad karma!
Bravo, I'll bring the pig and you provide the keg. Deal?
"A woman's sense of priorities is incomprehensible." Good grief this
has to be the world's best understatement. Girlfriend just can't see the
similarity between her collecting Boyd's Bears and me collecting, well
you know!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
If any of you question the quality of US Optics, I used a SN3 3.2x17,
on a NorCal 308 sniper rifle, to shoot in what I thought was a snipe rifle
200 yard match. I was one of the few that showed up without machine rests
(front and rear) and a bench rest rifle. I shot 168 factory loads off a
bipod and rear sand bag against the bench resters and finished second.
Most everyone else had 1/8 moa adjustment 36 power scopes to see flies
at 200. The darn flies were smaller than my reticle, so I just took a line
of black and adjusted into the target. Without the crystal clear US Optics
I would not have been able to see anything.
Undude/Mike
Wild Bill: yup, that's him. As I recall, he runs the 'Stangs in the
nationals also. Of course, if you look at the nationals, you'll find the
#1 spot is a 'Stang. Hard to beat 'em, even at 1000 pounds lighter, and
with some more horses, I'm still not as quick (no way to hook it up YET!!).
Bolt: you're ON!
Mike: sounds like a great scope. After you've shot yours a little,
would you PLEASE give us an update? I'm really interested, especially if
it's tough enough to break rocks with. How big are the turrets, and how
far would they stick out over the ejection area? I guess I'm just a little
wary, I can't spend what Michael did for his ;-) and I wonder if they aren't
sacraficing something for the price. If it's that good, well, I'll have
to sell a M3.
According to Dr. Taylor, that .408 Cheyenne target weight is 18 LBS.
Considering the intensity of that proposed round - it will still beat the
heck out of you when fired. I'm sure they have some sort of muzzle brake
planned. If I remember correctly, I think it's based on a scaled down WindRunner
.50 cal ....don't hold me it... I'll have to look that one up.
Carrying gear... Sure why not - it will make me that much stronger.
You saw last year @ SMTC - I make a good pack mule... I would imagine a
case of .300 Win ammo is pretty heavy.
Speaking of SMTC... are any of youn'z going to Storm Mountain for
the SS1, SS2, or Rondevous??...??...
Undude:
2. The reason you whipped all but one of those benchresters is:
Ken :)
Ken Hunter <Ken@Hunters.org>
It's all relative. When I reported to my first rifle company as a
private I was taken to the barracks by the CQ runner. Upon entering he
introduced me to all present as, "The new 90 gunner". Some of you might
remember that fine piece of plumbing. Compared to that or the Emmmsixty
my 15lb precision rifle is a treat to carry around.
I do wonder though if our heavy rifles aren't a wierd product of
our training rather than mission essential performance criteria. On the
range we shoot and shoot and shoot. A heavy rifle helps to mitigate recoil
and heat. So our heavy rifles are suitable for our training habits. However
operationally we expect to shoot once and then run away. A cold bore shot
being the norm instead of the exception. Wouldn't a light weight "hunting"
rifle be more suitable for such conditions?? If so has our affection for
the ".308 towed" come from the rifle range rather than the battlefield?
Just a thought from a hobbiest.....
Pat T
When the military went to the M118-LR round with the 175SMK, they
went with a 11.25" twist.
I've shot a lot of 175s through a 12" barrel, and they shoot well,
but I ordered a 10" barrel on the barrel for the M24, because it will get
175s plus an asortment of odd "long" bullets.
Pat-T, check the twist and let me know if it is a real 10", or just
miss marked.
Kevin M...
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
I swear that song from ahem, way back when, was written for gun buyers!
The STG/M1A thing is driving me nuts so I'm going to drive you nuts.
They are now in a dead heat. Please cast final vote:
DSArms standard rifle, $1495 new
No need to say why, just cast a vote.
A brain dead Bolt, OUT!
Boltster, for those prices, (and limited to those choices), I'd take
the Springfield. Use the $250 for good US GI parts, and I'll split a "major
purchase" on some mags with you. QUANTITY DISCOUNTS!!!! next month ;-)
US GI's for thirty something...
Several of the Wylde designed "funny" guns are competing in the next
few weeks at Camp Perry and with Bill in Canada. Best of luck to each of
them.
Old Dog
Ps. Bolt...FAL
CDC...
In a heart beat!
Kevin...
'lito
The 1:11.25 barrel for the M24 was actually determined before the
175gr M118LR was even an issue. According to Remington (Mr Rogers I think
was the name of the guy I talked to about it a few years ago)it was done
to shoot 168's and 173's and the thought was to go in between a 1:10 and
a 1:12. The closest the machine would get to 1:11 was 1:11.25 and thats
where they stayed.
I hear from preliminary reports that the Storm Mountain boys kicked
some bootie at CFSAC this year.
Out here.
The post about the 6MM not being a long range round is incorrect.
A reloading question: a little while back I remember you saying that
the normal bushing size for 308 on a Redding bushing neck die was 0.338.
Infact, I could go a step further and ask if you think the bushing
die is any great step over a standard neck die?
thanks
If you're only going get one, I would suggest the .336", as 2 thou
under won't hurt, and you can go to a .338" later if you need to.
Get the titanium nitride... don't waste your money on the steel ones.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
Good morning.
"...due to the relationship between retained heat and shortness of
barrel life."
I would like to know if this is a documented fact, and if so, what
is the source of this information... or is this a "feeling" that you have.
Remington "paints" the barrels on many of their factory guns, (including
the popular PSS)... as does several other manufactures.
Many of the very best tactical and sniper rifles made, have "painted"
barrels... and aftermarket companies are doing a brisk business in finishes
like "Roguard", which is a nice paint.
As best as I know, there has NEVER been a documented case of decreased
barrel life due to painting or coating.
Even in a match, the barrels don't get that hot, unless (as Gooch
said) they are belt fed.
So if ths is true... about 90% of the guys on this site, are going
to sit down and weep.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
Dave Biggers <pathfinder27th@hotmail.com>
Please explain why would one Colt Match Target have a 1/9 twist and
another, except it is a Delta Elite, have a 1/8 twist? What twist does
a PSS barrel have?
Anybody messed with the TAP ammo?
Will the AMAX boollets work for tactical and hunting purposes?
That is all for now!
Bolt, out.
Boltster...
The TAP is awesome, and it's the same as the V-Max loads... those
sucka's really come apart.
The A-Max Boollets are very thin jacketed, just like the V-Max, and
Hornady does not recomend them for big game, they open too fast.
However, for Coyotes, both four and two legged, they work very well,
and make the .308, a 1000mtr "varmint" rifle.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
The adds claim, "Penetrates to 1 millionth inch spaces, dissolves
rust, lubricates, cleans and prevents rust. Displaces moisture. The oil
that creeps." Sounds alot like what WD-40 does and from what people have
said WD-40 is NOT good for rifles.
So, for those with more experience - whats the skinny? Any opinions
on use of Kroil on guns? Why or why not?
I got something to blabber about and would like some feedback.
Finally got the barrel I ordered from L. Walther back in March. Anyway,
it does look fine. A 6.5mm, 8 twist stainless. I've been ratholing a M70
LA CRF and a verticle grip HS stock for the M70 for about 2 years. The
fun delimma is this: also been holding a Hart 12 twist in .308 for a couple
of years, too.
I'm wanting (not needing) to get a new rifle built at some point.
I've fantasized about either a 3006 or a 6.5/06.
'Lito - remember the emails a few months back, re: this?
Anyway, I guess the 6.5/06 is somewhat of a barrel eater, but a friend
of mine built one and is very pleased with it.
Even if I don't get to do this any time soon, it sure is fun slobbering
over the idea.
Any opinions a'tall would be most welcome.
Mike M. I sent you an email about the US Optics scope a few minutes
ago.
Plus, I just wanted to have something to rant about cause I miss
this place. Plus this is much more fun than mowing the yard which looks
like a triple canopy jungle anyway.
Sniper Fu .. :)
Yehaaa, the caffeine is kickin' in. Back to the mowing.
Jeff A.
Jeff Allen <d1k2l3@smyrnacable.net>
What range should I zero at and so on. I would also like to find
a long range competitive group in my area. Upstate central NY is the area
and between Albany and Binghamton.
Any advise, sugestions or commentary is obviously welcome.
Thanks
Ed F.
PS- Posting here is good but I would appreciate e-mail since I check
that daily and only visit here occasionally.
I am trying to find out details of any commercially available (or
otherwise) trajectory tables for the SS109 round; ideally pocket sized.
Jonathan Moore
Jonathan Moore <jonathan_moore65@yahoo.co.uk>
[NOTE: This matter is still under U.S. Federal investigation, hence
the "probable" in the title. From my vantage point, though, it's pretty
obvious they're running a dirty shop. In any case, this account is based
on my experience with FDIG, and is not intended to slander or libel them,
just tell my story and warn others. I have everything documented.]
[FURTHER NOTE: I attempted to buy body armor from FDIG, but they
also sell sniper accessories, which is why I feel this post is relevent
to this forum.]
For those of you out there looking for better body armor than what
you're lugging around now (or what your department's willing to pay for),
beware of First Defense International Group (FDIG) http:/www.firstdefense.com.
I ordered a vest back on May 12 and these jokers are still jerking
me around -- after cashing my check. In retrospect, I should have used
a credit card (you get the protection of the Fair Credit Act), but they
don't accept credit cards. That's a warning sign I should not have ignored.
They cashed my check for $434.00 on May 22 and I haven't seen anything
since. The last I heard from them was on June 21, when they implied that
the vest was completed and shipped, but I have never received it and haven't
heard a single word from them since.
You'd think if they'd shipped it, tracking it down wouldn't be a
problem. *Every* shipping company uses state-of-the-art package tracking,
and FDIG should have a reciept for shipment. In ANY case, they should at
least return my calls/faxes/emails/letters.
I've filed complaints with Federal investigative agencies (FTC and
FBI/NW3C/IFCC), and the matter is pending, but this has been a hellish
experience and I want to warn others who may be considering sending money
to FDIG before they get burned.
My advice: STAY AWAY FROM FIRST DEFENSE INTERNATIONAL GROUP! Everyone
makes mistakes, but the fact that they won't return my calls/faxes/emails/letters
makes them deliberate crooks as far as I'm concerned. Consider yourself
warned.
For more information on this matter, including case numbers and evidence
of wrongdoing under U.S. law, contact FDIG-fraud@nvbell.net.
FDIG Fraud Vicitm <FDIG-fraud@nvbell.net>
During my visit to Storm Mountain last year - I used a harris non-swivel
bipod. I found out rather quickly that I fidgeted with the legs alot. Storm
is a good training area - and there isn't a perfectly flat place anywhere
in that facility. It was suggested to me to put my ammo pouch or book under
the leg that needed extending or something along the line of a 'quick'
adjustment. That still didn't cut it for me. I don't have the field time
that alot of these 'more saltier' dudes on here have - but that was my
experience.
Im gonna try the swivel this year... My partner had a swivel bipod
- and seemed to be fighting with adjusting the legs on his bipod a WHOLE
lot less than me. Just have to make sure you're level when you're gonna
shoot. Sometimes the lay of the land or the shape of the target might fool
you into canting your rifle on a swivel bipod when you shouldn't.
Ken :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
Jeff: wasn't the 6.5-06 THE loved lady cartridge of the benchrest
crowd back in the early 60's? As for me, I've been working REALLY hard
to NOT work up a 260. I LOVE the 6.5 Swede though, and it was a preferred
1000 yarder in it's day.
'Lito: worried about barrel paint?!? Seems like some joker told me
that you didn't need a painted rifle, real men did sniper competitions
wearing bluejeans and carrying stainless steel barrels ;-)
Brack: I think the consensus was that the bipod I had was an easier
set up. It's a Harris S-BRM, the swivelling notched leg one. The legs eject
out when you pust the button, and snap into notches so you don't have to
tighten anything down. The swivel is adjustable for tension, and I found
it to be worth it's weight. Before I do too much more though, I'm gonna
get the medium height one too, for quick change for matching terain areas.
That being said, the non-notch leg one has more swing than mine, the ONLY
draw back in my opinion.
Mike: missed the June pistol shoot for the class, missed last month
for "family time". Today I just plain sucked. It's your fault, you didn't
print up a disclaimer saying that learning to shoot at long range will
erode my pistol skills! It MUST have been that and not the fact I haven't
shot in 3 months. Right? What did you call it, consumable skills?
Have you shot the M25 out to full range yet. Lemme know when you
do.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
The swivel bi-pod has a friction adjustment on it, and you can set
it really firm, even tight enuff so the gun will stay upright on the ground...
it's the big knurled nut. Mine took pliers to tighten, but it's great now...
won't flop, and won't move, unless I make it move, then it holds the adjustment.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
On a different note, someone said a few days back you might be from
CT, are you? Because that's where I hail from.
Harris swivel bipod is the way to go. Just be sure to crank on the
tension screw that controls the tilt so you dont get flop.
3rd Recon's STA platoon? Since when did a recon unit have a STA?
Never been in a Recon unit, but been in a STA, and I never heard of a Recon
STA.
Out here
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
I did it last year... thought it was neat, my teamie (Pablito) laughed
quite abit. Decided to strip that paint off .... hated it...but got it
clean... I won't ever paint one again. I figured out why he was laughing.
Ken :)
Ken <Dont.Paint.It@snipercountry.com>
Question: Has anyone used accelerator rounds (or similar) to decent
effect? If so, let me know. Also, did you use a faster powder? What kind
of trajectory vice the standard .308?
Thanks! Semper Fi!
Celer, Silens, Mortalis! "Never have so few been so foul to so many"
Semper Fi.
Kush out
Thanks for any help.
Please email me your experiences or opinions at : grey2112@mindspring.com
Greywolf <grey2112@mindspring.com>
You are saying that spending too much time in The P.I. is a bad thing!
Many brain cells killed in the Subic Bay area, Ohhh, what I would do for
a cold Red Horse and a hot Philipino.
Rock on Brothers.
Kush out
Ken :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
Bolt:
Later.
Off topic (kinda) question: Has anyone converted their 1911 to fire
the .460 Rowland? I've heard it makes a better back up piece. If, so let
me know how it performed, recoil, etc.
Semper Fi!
Chuck
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Chuck
Has anyone tried Butch's Bore Shine? Been reading some wicked ad
copy for it and thought about giving it a go. I'm shooting molyed bullets
and have been using pretty much the Berger method (Kroil/JB).
I think that it was never classified as beef on a stick, more like
"meat" on a stick. I never asked, they never told. But nothing better on
the walk back to the gate from Rumors or Body Shop!
Charles,
That was about a year & a half before I hit The Rock, Charlie
Company, 3rd Recon. About a year ago I was digging through some old pics,
and found one of my old liberty cards, talk about memories!
Later.
Kush out
Ken: I wasn't going to mention you shoving 'Lito over the cliff,
but since he brought it up, how's this: make sure he has a good trip this
year, and get his confidence up really good. Then, next year, when you
shove him over again, I'll get it on tape, surprized look and all ;-)
'Lito: you get respect on this site, and it's all earned. I'm getting
the impression the guys on the "other" site think I'm an idiot. Time to
cut and break. Stupid stuff like correcting someone when they say the origional
M-16 jamming problem was due to powder buildup in the throat after just
a few rounds. Let me know how the cammie jammies work out, and if you'll
make some with a cut out for a flyin' op rod! The 25 isn't out to full
range, I'm just not happy with it. With my old stock on there (hasn't been
bedded since the receiver got "modified"), it's shooting in the barely
under 1 MOA range. I just can't stand to try to figure the center of a
shotgun pattern. So I keep it at 700 to 800 (working at the "zone" of the
IDPA siloughets), until I get a package marked "from McMillan". Haven't
received any doggie box yet, but there were some ATF guys here with a bomb
sniffing dog, asking about if I'd ever been back east. Didn't know what
they meant. JOKE!!!
Bipod, the choice is the Harris tilt o matic with notched leg adjustments.
Yes, a pair of pliers will tighten that sucker up and you only have to
do it one time. They will not shoot lose and you can tilt them where you
need them, they then stay there. The Parker Hale will flop and cause a
lose shot and problems at times. Besides they cost too blasted much.
Gooch - Actually the 11.25/11.3 was set specifically for the M 118SB
173 grain. It was set during the period that the Army thought the 168 grain
was an illegal hollow point. That caused all the boxes to be marked, and
they still are, Not for Combat. If you use all the wazzo formulas for figuring
twist it comes out to that weird number for the 173 grain Army "ba***rd
round". At least at Rock Island in 87 they did come up with that number.
:-)
Well guess I have thrown in my 2 cents. Haven't posted in awhile
but come on for a quick peek couple times a week. You guys still get into
the damdest arguements!! M21, 45, and yes I'm old. Wonder nine is I wonder
why anyone buys the dam thing! 9mm is .38 inches, go figure!!
Sorry Pete couldn't help myself!
Rick
Sarge
Sarge <garryrn@dfn.com>
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
Jeff A., Will be at the "Dog Day Afternoon" match. Ought to be interesting.
Just look for the RO with the RUGER !! Ha
OUT HERE !!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
Guys, I got my brandy new sling in the mail on Friday. I was just
like a kid on Christmas morning. Couldn't wait to get my new toy home to
play with.
Simply put, this sling is awesome. I know that quite a few of you
guys have posted very positive comments in the past, however, I just want
to throw my 2 cents worth in.
The quality of Mike's slings is nothing short of top notch. For you
guys that haven't yet got one, go out there and buy one. Mike is a great
guy to deal with and sent my sling out promptly. You can't get much better
than that. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Mike's products to anyone.
Just another happy camper.
By the way, I saw some very interesting Lapua bullets yesterday while
picking up some inventory from my Lapua distributor. They had some of those
.30 cal. 200 gr. sub-sonic jacketed bullets. They sort of looked like a
jacketed version of a pointed cast lead bullet without the lubricant. Very
cool stuff.
Any of you guys into sub-sonics?
All the best...
Jeff Babineau <j.babineau@ns.sympatico.ca>
WELCOME BACK!
Will yourself and "Sinister" Dave be gracing the Sniper Rendezvous?
Wonder Nine!
Ask Jeff A. and The Sargester - A Kimber .45 acp ROCKS !
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
Master Rick: you know I honor your opinion like all get out, but
I think you're trying to bait me..... But I'll agree that if I was limited
to wimpy store bought ammo or ball, I wouldn't use one either. From what
I understand, my ammo would break a Browning frame. Besides, I'd rather
be missed by a 44 mag than hit with a 357 mag (38) or a screaming non-factory
9. When I can get my hands on a 100% 45 auto.....
About painting: I'm gonna do mine (scope, barrel, stock and all),
but in light sand colors and such, to mix in with the desert around here.
Not that I'm wanting to "cammo" it per se, but it'll be a good start. Then
the skins, winds, or whatever you call the good stuff this month for a
cammo application. Oh, and 'Lito was right on about the Roguard being a
high tech paint. And it wears off on corners like a high tech paint after
a few hundred presentations from a holster. Of course, I don't carry a
M-25 in a holster.....
There were 6 matches in the sniper competition; 300 meter Agony Snap,
400 meter Movers, 500 meter Agony Snap, 600 meter One Shot One Kill, 800
meter Harrassment and the 600 meter Falling Plates.
SMTC had top shooter in the 600 meter One Shot - One Kill with a
score of 50.6v (50 with 6 V's) out of a possible 50.10v, and took first
place in the 600 meter falling plates. A SMTC placed second overall in
the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association (DCRA) sniper category.
Further official results will be posted when received from DCRA.
All-in-all it was a very good match, world class shooters. There
were shooters from many countries and all regions of Canada.
Doc King
David L. King <David_L_King@Yahoo.Com>
My first PSS was a nice dark olive parkerize, the last two were a
spray on black powdercoat, including the bolt face :(
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
You guys and the Phillipines memories. Last time I was there was
in 1981. Spent a few days in Angeles City with a female Corpsman from Camp
Lester Hospital (it was Kuwai Hospital then). The Air Farce put me in the
enlisted VAQ (I was a Sgt) and her in the highrise hotel thing. My room
was like the scene at the begining of Apocalyps Now, no AC, a ceiling fan,
slat windows etc. Needless to say I spent most nights in the highrise with
the WAVE. Spent a month at Upper MAU camp in 79 with Bravo 1/5 on the first
unit rotation. THat was exciting. We used to march to the chowhall and
got ambushed by a crew of monkees. Had a friend swim across shit river
when he got stuck in town after curfew...ah yes the pirate days...
Anyway, you jarheads check out this web site. Its about Philippino
marine snipers. http://philippinemarines.webjump.com/index.html
Holy Shit!! GOt a thunder storm unleashing outside. Time to go to
GQ.
Out here!
Guys, Dave was the one that won the 600m stage. 50-6 is kicking ass.
Out here
I didn't intend to ruffle any feathers. I saw your post and thought
I'd mention my take on it.
Respectfully Bill B.
Jeez, it would seem that somebody in the Philippine Marine Corps
has put his thinking cap on. This makes *hell* of a lot of sense from any
number of standpoints. I imagine that there are some long shots to be taken
on the bigger islands but from what I can gather, the insurgent activity
mostly takes place on the smaller southern islands in some very bushy terrain.
This is the way to go, from both a tacitical and a logistical point of
view. Logisticaly speaking, look in a Brownells catalog and see how many
pages of AR stuff ther is as compared to M14 stuff.No contest.
Were only our own Corps so progressive...
Camoflaging Bolt Guns:
I have a little bit different idea. I would rather not paint up my
rifle, all else being even, and the 2-D camo offered by paint has it's
limitations anyway. My thought was a loose-fitting wrap of lightweight
camo netting like No-See-Um mesh secuired by a couple of bands of small
diamter inner tube rubber from a racing bicycle. The low mass nature of
the material and means of securuing it would seem to imply minimal change
to POI and the loose fit with a few bow ties of additional netting would
tend to disrupt that pipe-sticking-out-of-bush effect that even a painted
barrel gives you. Another through was to go into the top edge of the barrel
channel in the stock and inlet several machine nuts and have some small
blackened screw to thread into them, this being the means to secure material
to the forend. a simple chap to go around the butstock made out of an old
BDU pantsleg with a few bows of camo netting added and you can develop
a system of rapidly interchangable Ghillified camo packages for the rifle.
Its a thought.
-Tom
Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Don't forget that the Versa-Pods (the PH knockoff) are made in China
and as such should be beneath the notice of anyone who thinks it's wrong
to imprison people for their political or religious beliefs, and to use
them as cheap/slave labor.
My range out back is temporarily out of service due to a new pipeline
being laid through it, that's bad news.... the good news is the crew has
a BIG pile of dirt right in front of my backstop and I'm pretty sure I
can get them to just kinda push it about 20' south and leave it, effectively
doubling the height and width, which should also about double the distance
I can shoot from. As it is, the current backstop disappears behind a roll
in the terrain at about 450 yards.
Ned
Its tuneable enough, but it takes a gunsmith who knows what he is
going. Most would not take on such a job, though. Product liability and
all that. Specific advise on how to do would be hard to come by, too. Its
one of those "if you need to ask how, your not qualified to do it" sorts
of deals, sorry, as it is also one of those things where bad, bad things
happen if you do it wrong. There are no easy drop-in solutions for your
problem that I am aware of.
Camo Coloration:
It would seem to me that, here in the white pine forests that blanket
much central and costal South Carolina, the natural target for a paint
scheme woud be to blend you in to pine straw while shooting from under
or about a subtropical bush in a tree line or pines. In that setting a
natural choice of colors would be Rustoleum brown primer highlighted with
diagonal streaks of black and patches of a fairly bright green.
Verdad?
-Tom
parker Hale Bipods:
I have both, the steel on the mc millan m 88 .50 were I had a gunwriter
break my frist aluminum one. Wasnt the Bipod´s fault, just the shooter
was a whimp and pulled back on the bipod letting it take all the recoil.
I have several of the aluminum ones and two steel, nope I am not
rich, just good friends with Roger Hale. The chinese copy is about as good
too.
Just get a few of the of the spigots to attach to your diffrent rifles
than your are good to go with one bipod.
When shooting of the ph bipod best put in in neutral, with no pressure
forwards or back on the bipod. Let it sit at the upper point of the radius
and recoil naturally.
t
Torsten Erning <7.62@lasercon.de>
All: Loopie sells a 6X with mil-dots and target adjustments. It has
60+ minutes of elevation adjustments. With 20 minute tapered mounts, does
that let you get on a 100 yards. I know this needle of information is in
the haystack of an archive, but the archive has no search capability.
'lito
My next question is I currently have a Springfield Armory 4.5-14x56
gov't model scope and am not to impressed with it. The rangefinding reticle
makes the scope to "busy" and the 56mm objective puts the scope to high.
I have also had trouble with the AO. It seems the only thing I do like
about it is the internal bubble level. The issue of scopes has been beat
to death here but due to everything I have read here I am going to s*#&t
can it and get a leupold 3.5-10 lr M1. I want to thank everyone for all
the knowlegeable posts on here. You guys really do help those of us that
monitor this site but don't really speak out.
Ken, You are the man. You are more anal retentive than I am. I enjoy
your shop pieces and photos. Thanx all
On Camo - Tom, I am in the Sand Hills and forget that other regions
of NC and SC does actualy have green some of the time. However, be very
careful with the darker colors. You are actually better going lighter (NOT
WHITE!!!) then you are going darker. Even the pine needles on the forest
floor is surprisingly light tan to brown. The eye sees objects in certain
ways that create problems for the sniper. Light Dark is one of them. At
SMTC last year all were caught by being too dark, NOT too light. There
are no natural BLACK objects. All are man made and will attract the eye.
Black even stands out in the dark as a very dark shadow within a shadow.
The biggest problem of the barrel is the round circle presented by the
muzzle. The line of the barrel is easily broken with grass or burlap tied
to the barrel but not restricting the barrel.
Pete - If they powers that be let me off so I can make the trip,
I will be there that is for sure! We do have a course running at that time.
I guess I could fail all my students early so I wouldn't have to be there
but then I wouldn't be able to live with myself!
Again on the bipods - Torsten you are absolutely right on the neutral
position of the bipod. Push forward or pull back and you will throw the
round when the bipod jumps from tension to neutral. Usually high and not
always the same height. thank you for reminding us of that fact. We still
need to get together for a beer and some good stories T.
SMTC - Congrates on a job well done at the Sniper Shoot! That is
some hard holding!
Oh well enough for now. Hold hard guys and always have fun!
Rick
Rick <rbowcher@aol.com>
'Lito: they ALL take sun shades. All you need is some aluminum tubing
of correct diameter and a tube of JB Weld ;-) I've backed off the Mark
4 M3 sunshade project, the machining cost too much, and it's not as big
of a problem as mirage is.
Brack: you're right, that Springfield scope is crap, and you ought
to sh***an it. Well, I guess I ought to go out and see if there's any mail
in my sh***an. If you need the PO Box for the sh***an, let me know ;-)
On painting rifles. I just keep changing the colors until they get
slick and then wipe it all off with Acetone and start again. No change
to anything with or without the paint. I use a wrap around the rifle, of
Ghillie Material for stalking.
Scopes: The 3.5x10 LR Tactical is excellent.
Undude
Okay roster hogs... whadaya do for cleaning your ghillie? I have
one of the KUSA ghillie suits - which is pretty much a fairly well burlapped
cammo top and a separately burlapped cammo bottom.
I ran each piece separately thru the washer (on gentle cycle). Then
put each piece in the dryer on a medium heat. It came out pretty good -
slightly fluffy (fluff man - eh?). Quite abit of fur in the dryer filter.
I was sure that this process would tie all that burlap into knots...
Ken :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
Ken :))
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
Thanks for the poop on the Parker-Hale. For now I have the funds
for one Bi-pod. Is the aluminum a rock solid pod? I'm trying to keep down
on the weight.
Thanks Bro
Kush out
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Mike - Come on, just because everyone, to include the FBI, gave up
on that wonder round doesn't mean it isn't good. See the Army uses it.
Of course we went with our own 45 but what do we know! Did the lure hit
the water closer to you this time Bravo? :-)
Oh yes the case for the 38 in 357 mag size is alot bigger than that
little puny case on the 9makemy day round.
Time to cut and run guys see you later.
Rick
Rick <rbowcher@aol.com>
Thanks
Des
One more thing, do all you guys name your rifles, and is it a cardinal
sin if I name mine after my favorite comic book character, Calvin(which
is in opposition to the traditional female naming)?
Regards.
Ares
Ken :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
http://www.calvinandhobbes.com/fans/spiegelberg/images/caold2.gif
2)
Bravo, keep it coming !
http://www.mccannindustries.com/rifles/garand/garand.html
That Sannow/Marshall/Wilson stuff is based on methodology they appear
to have made up. Grown-ups are paid for that stuff, you can't just wing
it. The predictive power of the model I saw can't be demonstrated. They
also contaminated the hell out of their data. Some is of use despite that.
One little nugget is interesting: If I remember right, as of about 1995,
nineteen people were hit one shot center mass with 230 gr hydroshock .45s
out of full length 1911s. All 'were stopped'. I'm not sure what 'were stopped'
means, but, if it means they were incapable of continuing the objectionable
activity, that is valuable information. Unless someone asks I won't burden
you with the math and there is more current data. I'd be willing to give
odds that number twenty didn't do any better.
As for dependability: Bravo's experience matches mine. A stock 1911
is just crude collections of parts. An expensive trip to a competent smith
makes it a living thing of functional beauty. If the Kimbers come from
the factory like that, a Kimber, a few magazines of Hydro-Shocks and the
three class pistol sequence at Gunsite could be comforting.
CDC: you'll get no arguement from me on anything you said. Oh, and
I guess you must have gotten an earlier edition than I did, so you earned
your $20. The 45 (excluding all data except the 5", like anyone wants something
else) hydrashok went 24 for 24 in mine.
When I find something that will beat my Glock, well, by definition
it will beat my Glock! Any of you guys that have a guvmint model that will
pass #2, please let me know who built it for you. I'll send my stocker
off right after I pay for the CAR!
Besides, believe it or not, I DO sleep well at night with this grand
delusion that the same rounds I practice and compete with, if used against
someone, won't make them start laughing at me when hit. Rapidly. With quick
succession follow up shots. After all, most ALL of pistolry is HITTING.
I'll be the first to admit that I'd rather go up against "Joe Schmoe" with
a stocker 1911 or whatever else than a Bullseye competitor with his custom
Ruger 22!
G'night Amigo.
Don't give Mr. Wylde any ideas! He'll have me plunking down money
on a shiny barreled H&R that you have to point at the sky but will
put all your rounds in the X-ring!
Buy it, buy one or two extra mags (pretty reasonable), and shoot
the heck out of it. I fed mine a steady diet of cheap ammo (never a jam)
for practice, and for "business" it carried Speer Gold Dot. The Speer ammo
was REALLY accurate in my particular sig, and the Winchester SXT's were
better than average. Having taught quite a few people to shoot, they all
say the same thing about the Sig, "Wow, it is kind of light, but it doesn't
kick much". My 220 is the only handgun I have ever fired that I can say
NEVER fails. The next choice, in my mind is a Glock 22, I have shot a few
of them that were close to as good as the 220.
Bravo, have to agree. I would rather not get into a conflict with
someone who shoots a couple hundred rounds a week to stay proficient, regardless
of the caliber. I get into that disagreement every time I take only a .22
pistol to the range some "good ole' boy" thinks I need to learn to shoot
a real gun. Funny, I will take a good group with a .22 over misses with
a .32 or something of similar ilk anyday.
Dan-O <dan.overbey@worldnet.att.net>
The problem with the 9mm Parabellum round, especially with the NATO
ball bullet, is that is has a tremendous penetrating power, without being
able to impart sufficient "stopping" energy.
I think I will stick to my .357Sig JHP's for now...
Now if you are using handloads for self defense, you are just asking
for a lawsuit when and if you have to defend yourself. They will kill you
with your intent to kill and take what ever assests you have. Buy some
factory stuff and use it for defense. I know what happens when you shoot
someone,in the civilian world. You pee pee in a cup, or get blood drawn,
they talk to you for days, they take your weapon to inspect for non manufacture
changes, they take apart your ammo and they have you talk to a shrink.
Not fun! Not fun!
Quit trying to make a nine work like a 45, get a 45, or a 40 if your
hands are too small. Although I do not know anyone that can shoot a Glock
that can not hold a 1911 better. CDC is right a Kimber is a great gun to
go with. Come to CQB and you will see one in my holster. I have carries
the plastic gun many times, but that is because the damm politicians/brass
are affraid of the 1911 for duty use. It has an exposed hammer. Oh My a
gun that you could shoot someone with.
Rick, my first sniper school was taught by the FBI, when they still
did the SWAT thing, a long time ago, at Ft. Ord Calif. I was glad a guy
from the Army West Coast Team and the holder of most of the Police Olympic
High Power records (at the time) were on either side of me, so I could
learn something. SWAT back then was different. We trained for the real
world. Snipers would shoot over an entry teams heads ( I did it many times)
We would carry combat loads, not just have empty vest and simulate. We
used live ammo in clearing techniques( I took seveteen stiches from a team
mate's bad shot during one of these events) We trained on military bases,
out of Huey's. Heck it was real. We got no overtime, no nothing extra and
as it has been said before "We liked it" LOL We weren't training tell someone
was bent hard at the waist. Then the politics started getting in the way
of teams and how selections were made. The rest is history. We have what
we have today. Guys all dressed up. Gizmos every where and no one knows
how to use them. Mildots in scopes and the "operator" goes "Huh" when you
ask them how many mils a target is, or his hold over. Yell at him for being
the moron he and to take this shit serious before he kills the wrong person
and you have to explain to a command officer why you upset the piece of
dung. This has probably spewed from me because of recent events around
the country. Sorry to rant.
All shooters: Know your target. Know your backstop. Know your Elevation.
Know your windage. Know your abilities. Know your weaknesses. Do not expect
equipment to make up for marksmanship skills.
Fellow cops, train with friends, by your self or what ever. Do not
wait to learn something you needed today or tomorrow. Learn your trade
or put the rifles in the rack. See rules above.
Ken, the resolution of the US Optics scope was a big thing in shooting
targets that small. The Norcal/Rice rifle was a big part. I just pointed
the combination and let the rifle do the work. The rifle wants to shoot
straigh we just keep screwing it up.
James, my foot hurts, my attitude is bad. New Mexico can not be that
far off. LOL
Undude/Mike
Parker Hale Bipod:
I have an Aluminum one on my 15lbs. Mauser 86 SR and it works fine
and has no signs of wear other than the bottom of the skids. The one I
had broken on the fifty split right between the spigot hole and the socket
for the leg joint. And like I wrote it was not the bipods fault.
In the beginning I went with the adjustable handstop in a rail, but
changed to a spigot that I glassed into the forend of the stock. A lot
lower,and less prone to getting caught on things. The spigots can be made
by anyone with a lathe, so you can put one in each of your rifles. When
glassing these in be sure and make some deep scrapes and dremel cuts into
the back inch or so to give the epoxy something to hold on to. I welded
some little dropplets on mine before glassing it in and it holds rock solid.
I like the PH because it is truely QD. Which was good when shooting
the SMTC stress course with the window slit, or in a tight rosebush were
the bipod would get caught. Also it does not have monster "Air rifle" springs
that collect all sorts of stuff on a stalk and let the bipod have a life
of its own. The PH tilts in any way you need it without spring tension
to fight.
And most important it is of KISS design.
t
Torsten <7.62@lasercon.de>
Ares
Kush
Great site guys, learned a lot but still a long way to go.
Mark D
Bravo - Man I can not beleive you took that one!!! I figured the
lure would skip harmlessly in the water again! I'll have to buy you a beer
on that one.
Kush - Get the Harris!!!
Everyone - Paint your dam guns!!!! :-)
Rick
The M-1911 series seemed to work for a pretty long time without any
"Master" gunsmiths playing with it, and in some pretty shitty conditions
if you take in WW-1, WW-2, and Korea just as Std References.
I've owned and shot most of the wonders including H&K PSP, Hi-power,
Burpetta, CZ's, The SIGS, ad naseum.
Shoot a calibrated pepper popper and see which slams the thang to
the ground. Most "Major" calibers do exactly that. Minor calibers well
it look cool to hits it three to five times while is falling.........
My OEM Kimber has NEVER failed with #47 Wilson Mags (all I use)
If your pistol(or revolver) is 100% reliable and you can center hit
with it right or left hand out to 25 yards in day or night YOU WILL BE
OK.
Getting shot is a pain, regardless of the caliber!
Chao!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
Ken: Keep the Ghillie all fluffy and perfumey. This way all those
nice creepy crawly things will be clinging to you, maybe even the sheep.
I learned a technique for cleaning a ghillie. Tie it to your trailer hitch
and head on down the road. Works wonders.
Does anyone have info on Accelerator rounds? What kind of Max range
against a man-sized target?
Semper Fi!
Does anyone have info on Accelerator rounds? What kind of Max range
against a man-sized target?
Semper Fi!
Russ w/nothing better to do,
Did you check to make sure the base & rings are tight? Stock
retaining bolts?
Is the mounting stud for the sling/ AccuShot Monopod in the rear
of the stock "glued in" check it for looseness too. Then make certain that
the lock screw in adapter base is tight.
Gotta be installed correctly to work!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
Bill, you will love the Sig. I have owned 2 of them ( P-229 and the
new P-245) Rock solid guns, when I worked at Wilcox Range on Pendleton,
I fired countless Gov't 9mm and never a failure. Most Sig's do not have
a safety, only a de-cock lever, for the wife, get a DA only, just pick
it up and stary yankin' the trigger
1911's, well, Colt makes a fine pistol, have the MKIV Combat elite,
.45 is my favorite caliber. (reason I bought the P-245)I have had some
work done on my Colt, but still in the 10 ring at 25yds.
HK USP.40, owned one, sold it when the 2nd cheesy plastic safety/decock
lever twisted off, it shot a good group though.
But my favorite, S&W Model 28 Highway Patrol Model, good old
.357. This revolver was in service with Mississippi HW Patrol for 12 tears
before it came in to my posession, good shooter and with the original wood
grips, is great for a good old fashioned pistol whipping!
That is all I have to say about that.
Kush out
Kush <smak@pce.net>
CDC-- been off the shotgun a while. Probably time to get with it
again....
You are correct on Colt's newer stuff not quite being the quality
as their old, of course my 1911 was manufactured when they were still packaging
the guns in the styrofoam/brown cardboard Colt packaging. I would never
trade my "vintage" MKIV for anything, BUT if I wanted a 1911 today, Kimber
would be the way to go.
Kush out
MikeM is a good friend, and his advice is always spot on. However,
I gotta disagree a bit on the subject of using handloads for self defense.
Assuming you are not using some special handload with a secret packet of
mercury, dioxin, or some other such poison loaded in, the argument that
the handloads show intent to kill is one that started with prosecutors
who wouldn't know a handload if you shoved a case of them up his ass, and
got helped along by defense lawyers who were even dumber than the prosecutor.
Has the argument been made? Sure, they all have. Has someone been convicted
for using handloads? Probably, as people have been convicted of all sorts
of stuff where they should have been acquitted. But, the law of self defense
is fairly simple. Either you are justified in taking a life, or not. What
is ignored by the handload argument is, simply, when you shoot a person,
stab a person, beat a person over the head with a baseball bat, etc., you
are using deadly force. It makes no difference that you intended to shoot
him in the toe, but got a center hit between the eyes. Either you had the
right to use lethal force in self defense, or you did not. If you had the
right, the law in the states I am familiar with draws no distinction between
using handloads and factory loads. In fact, given the abilities of many
people with a reloading machine, my money is on the fact that it could
probably be proven the handload to be less lethal than some of the exotic
and consistent factory stuff out there.
IF, and that if is the million dollar question, you were justified
in killing a perp, that justification is what controls...not what load
you are using.
Many of the folks convicted of killing someone in "self defense"
are convicted because they use damned poor [read, untrained] judgment.
Emptying 15 rounds through the screen door, shooting the guy who was standing
next to the guy that deserved it, shooting people in the back, etc., account
for many good folks doing time. You must remember, you only have the right
to defend yourself against an aggressor. If the aggressor beats your ass
into the pavement, then walks to his car and starts to leave, you no longer
will be viewed as being in danger, and if you go after him...you become
the aggressor. Fights are very dynamic, as MikeM can surely tell you. Once
a fight "ends" though, the right you may have had to injure or kill the
attacker ends. Get trained! If you carry a handgun, fly out and have MikeM
school you. Don't believe every ad you see, there is no one better at pistol
training than MikeM.
I won't go in to how a good teacher can be a very valuable witness
in your defense...or else all my secrets would be out:)
Good luck.
Finally, on the subject of gunsmiths. There are many out there that
are likely very good. I have had the pleasure of owning several rifles
[AR's and bolts] built by Bill Wylde and I will say this...ain't a one
of them ever leaving my place. I was talking with a guy locally who is
a high master who uses Bill's AR and his "funny gun" rifle in competition.
Thought he summed it up best in saying "why would I pay more for something
less"? I just wish they would clone Wylde. haha
Old Dog
Bruce <Bruce@mannlawfirm.com>
168gr (.493BC) computed TOF according to NSWC Crane is.
Standard Conditions.
yards tof
I'll chime in on pistol calibers. Its shot placement and mindset
of the badguy more than anything else. There are plenty of episodes of
badguys getting hit with large calibers and keeping going just as there
are with the 9mm's/.38's etc. I would venture to say that many of the .45
"instant stops" were well placed rounds and many of the 9mm "failure to
stops" were shitty shots. (Many of these ballistics "experts" will skew
data to make thier points) And if the dude dont wanna die right then then
he wont, unless you blow his brains out. Even then its no garentee. Rod
(Storm Mountain) has pictures of a broad in DC with her head blown open
who still walks across a street asks for help then dies. Hunters see it
all the time. BLow a deers heart out and still have to track the bitch.
So assuming that shot placment is the key if I can hit better with
a 9mm than a .45 I'll take the 9mm. If you wanna STOP someone you use a
shotgun w/slug or buckshot. Fin. Ende. The end.
Out here
Update.
Ken Hunter, I and a few others are rolling on the new organization/newsletter.
Organization is to be called "The International League of Riflemen."
Ken has registered www.riflemen.net.
I spent 2 days completing a sample newsletter and forwarded it to
a few guys for comment. I have found that using a combination of writers
and DOD news releases I can put together an interesting piece of "journalism".
GOtta check on some copyright issues before this thing goes in the open.
We are at an 11 page document with articles only. No advertising, no calender
of events, etc. Just 5 articles that are relevent and an editorial. If
I can do this in 2 days I know I can do even better if I can do it full
time.
I am in search of more info on the Police scene.
I have some interest from some financial backers. Nothing like Ted
Turner but there are some folks that are willing to help.
Guys, we can make this fly by Jan 2001 if I can get the interest.
Spread the word to friends on the range, through the internet etc. See
if the interest is REALLY there. Around November I will make a decision.
If I do this it will be my full time thing along with TRGT.
Imagine a Republican president and a new shooting organization all
at once!!
Out here
Anybody know contact information / dealers for Shillen barrels?
Thanks --
Mitch
Try www.shilen.com. This it their direct site, calibers, contours,
twist rates and pricing.
Kush out
Semper Fi!
Mike: your point of using home-loads was well taken. I worried about
this much, and so I asked the guy I was taking my concealed carry course
from (the chief of police) about it. Now, I'm in no way doubting your word,
I've read such things myself. I'm just hoping you were both right, and
that it's a big city deal, or at least a non-Utah deal. He asked me why
I would want to carry my own loads. I said "because I have 100% faith in
my loads, and it's virtually the identical round I would buy but at a small
fraction of the cost". He told me to remember what I had just said, and
to say it exactly the same way if I needed to on a stand, and it would
be fine. So I hope. The Winchester bullet load is virtually identical to
their "police only" Q-whatever load. Same bullet, etc, just that mine is
roughly 80 fps faster. It was an extremely close second to the Corbon load.
I'm thinking that I can't afford enough hydrashok 45's to feel all warm
and fuzzy that my pistol and mags are gonna work. Thus I load. Oh, and
on pistol size, the best fitting pistol I've ever shot was a 1911 with
a Ed Brown ducktail grip safety, a flat mainspring, and the short trigger.
Get well soon, and tell that purty gal to take good care of you my friend!
Rick: naw, for all the good advice I've got from you, I still will
buy the beer.
PeteR: Yup, they worked fine with 230 FMJ BALL! My Colt does too.
Just chokes on ANYTHING else. Even my 200gr truncated cones (which I really
like). If I were limited to 45 ball or 9 hydrashok, I'd still take the
9, and I don't like the 9 hydrashok! As for pepper poppers, there were
4 of them in Saturdays shoot. 4 rounds. I figured out the trick is to QUICKLY
hit them in the head, and they go over every time. So I do. BTW, the Springfield
jams on ball too. Sure was funny to watch the IPSC guy try to hit the popper
too fast ;-)
Kent: good to hear it! I wish you the best in this endeavor. Unless
the centerfold is one of us, I'll take a subscription ;-) Thanks for the
back-up too.
Glock; great for packing, smooth corners, idiot proof, no levers
and other little things to have in the wrong place like exposed hammers
etc. Faster than greased lighting to draw and shoot. There are some problems
with reloads on this weapon .. the overall loaded length is critical and
too short and you may have misfires. No problem on factory loads. 40 compact
(not sub compact) is balanced and works perfectly. My favorite of all time.//
The nine (17)is good but the nine is inadequate for serious gunmen. Just
look at this way, What if the other guy has a .45 acp and knows how to
shoot.
USP: a good gun with few flaws, but it's too large to conceal well
even in the compact versions and the sharp things pinch your belley.
Colt; was a great gun inn 1911, but it's got to have too much work
on it. Dongemmewrong! I've use em. A friend has one custom commander I
can put 3 in the same hole at 25 meters. Wannasee? The accuracy of a good
custom 1911 can't be beat....Cocked and locked they are fairly fast out
of the letter but don't draw on me if I have my Glock. But they are too
heavy for todays streets and quite frankly that ramp is a problem unless
you really have a good gunsmith. I love them but their day is gone without
extensive work. There are a lot of good clones. /Don't use a Gold Cup in
a gun fight!
Beretta; Sweet shooter in 9mm doesn't fit in my waistband. My respect
for a defensive gun but I'll pass in a gunfight.
S&W revolvers; I use em. The old recessed cylinder 29's 19's
and even a 27 or 25 are bad medicine. Not enough shots today! Street gangs
have more than 6 members....I have a .41 they will bury with me but it's
not the speed I need!
And to all, I'll stand by my statement from MANY MANY months ago.
When Glock comes out with a single stack 45 auto with a 4.5 or 5" barrel,
on something like a 17 or 19 frame (dimensionally), I'll sell all the autos
I have to get one. Does anyone have a contact at Glock? That micro 45 single
stack just doesn't do it for me! I think they're missing a potential market
here. Me and the other wierdos....
Ken, just sent the Major a telegram saying you had some trouble with
the washing machine and dryer. Said she would get to you when the wind
quit blowing. She said something about your ass that I didn't quite understand.
She did say not to use bleach!
On the pistolero caliber, 45 RULES, 230 grain ball. Keeps the ramps
polished, feeds good, hits like a sonic concrete block and is CHEAP. Big
hands, get HK. Dainty little hands, get a 22 LOLLOL. Still hard to put
away the Model 19, no jams, cheap to shoot, and if nothing else the muzzle
flash will blind the bastard at night.
Instead of an STG or M1a, going to save pennies and sell weapons
to get one of Jerry's 308's. The supressor is just too sexxy to pass up.
How many semi's does a person need anyway?
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
Weather: Man it's nasty assed hot here in Northern Va. Worst yet,
the humidity makes it feel like an armpit around here..... but wait...I've
looked at this entirely wrong... I should embrace this crappy weather as
a golden opportunity to train - that's right - I should get my .308Towed,
ghillie up, and sneak across the field thru the woods and practice mil'ing
the construction vehicles working across the way....
Ken :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
Semper Fi,
Bruce: I think it, but you say it. Going prone with Calvin. HA!
Now then, where do I get a REALLY good deal on the Kimbers? After
I sell a Springfield that is. Narrowed it down to the "classic custom",
the "target classic" and the "classic stainless". The target isn't like
a Gold Cup is it? First order of business will be to run a case of ammo
through it you understand ;-) Any help differentiating between the three
would be helpful, but I know one is stainless.
You have answered your own question. ;-) Mine is at around 500/500
ball & buncha 200 gr SWC practice, and 250 rounds Fancy Federal stuff.
Total of 750/750 no problems. Not enough time in the week for too much
more pistol stuff. :-(
Glock .45 is a step in the right direction didn't like the feel same
as with the rest of them. tradionalist I guess.
Marty Fackler and a bunch others really smart guys on dead body &
bullets can set you straight on on the pistol hollow points.
Its all works if you hit CNS or major organs.
I get to carry an "anemic" K frame and +p 38s at work but it goes
just where I want it. 'Sposed to get some kinda semi "super" pistol in
Dec 2000. Probably qualify Expert with that too. Ho-Hum......
Bill, Bill, Bill,
Pass on Springfield Armory, Fed Ordnance, et. al.
GO DIRECTLY TO KIMBER! (The internal work is already done!!!!)
Gooch,
Sounds VERY interesting, and with your guidance IOR should Rock!
Chao!
peteR
It is somewhat strange that the Roster shifts gears over to content
which I am currently considering as a purchase.
It's been a whopping 2 years since I've bought a handgun so I'm thinking
it's about time. Both of the last pistols were 45ACP, one is an HK USP
that I've beat the hell out of, the other gun is a Para Ordinance P14 Limited.
Ofcourse both are big full size guns and for a guy with "Wookie Hands"
like myself the large grips serve me well.
I only saw one negative view on Para Ordinance so far and I'm left
wondering if that is an opinion stemming from the current examples that
Para Ord is turning out or if that is an opinion derived from years of
experience with the guns. Any long time experiences I'd like to hear about.
A well respected local race gun builder preffered Para Ord for quite a
long time due to the fact that he didn't need to do much to them, this
was before he passed away about 3 years back though so things may have
changed since then.
I don't consider either of the guns to be high milage yet though
because with 2 45s I am splitting shooting time between them, leasurely
shooting going to the P14 and harder use going to the USP, both get about
700 rounds a year. To date the only stoppages I've had on the Para Ordinance
were while it was new and the magazine followers had a couple sharp edges
that caused them to be a little less than what one would consider smooth.
After about 7 stoppages after the magazine was down to 1-2 rounds left
in the magazine I smoothed all the edges off of the follower while replacing
the springs with Wolff +10% strength springs and the problems disappeared.
As for my shopping today, I was looking at 3 guns primarily, a SIG
226, a Glock in 357Sig, and ofcourse those purty little Kimbers. The Sig
226 was in 9mm and I'd really prefer the 357Sig, the gun itself is a natural
pointer for me which is a plus. The Glock is just a Glock, just like every
other Glock so there isn't much I can really say about them. The Kimbers
are just so hard to pass by, doesn't matter how many 45s I have, I don't
think I'd be content unless I owned half that Kimber line up. The custom
shop Kimber that has been dehorned is just a delight, the price of the
darn things carry quite a blow here in our shops though. The thing all
these guns had in common was the overall size, I'm looking for a carry
gun now since after a couple years of shooting the "chewbacca specials"
I've earned new respect for small and dainty.
Combined with all the other goodies I want I'm gonna be busy for
a couple years. The whole problem with all of this is California has made
it a "Great Race" of sorts where I have to compromise certain purchases
so I can try to beat out whatever hair-brained gun legislation is about
to be inacted.
Just some of the long guns I want on top of the pistol choices I'm
considering,
Crap, now I'm whining. I bet hit submit before I continue on this
path of continous complaining about how much Ca. has screwed things up
for us.
B. Douglas <uglygun@lightspeed.net>
First, I feel that you are all missing the point when it comes to
M1911s...the BEST M1911 on the planet is actualy a M1927. The Argentine
guns that have been on the surplus market on and off for the past ten years
or so are simply outstanding, if a bit minimalistic. Mine would feed wadcutters,
empty cases, anything, and that was before I polished the ramp and opened
up the ejection port. My father is a fair M1911 wrench and he said it had
the best metalurgy he had ever seen in anybodys trigger parts when he was
cleaning up the trigger and fitting the Wilson "Commander" hammer for me.
If you can't get into one of those, then look at the Norincos, if you can
find one. Aside from the iffy springs, they are also very nicely executed.
Better than anything Unk Sam took delivery of in WWII, certainly.
Anybody can throw money at a problem. Solving problems on the cheap
is more fun. :)
As for the crusty old 9mm-.45 debate, seems to me that the 9mm does
a very efficient job of developing energy and putting it downrange. In
high school physics, I was taught that energy was "the ability to do work",
and in this case the work at hand to tear up soft the max amount of soft
tissue along an adequatly deep column through the torso. The place here
where the rubber meets the road is the bullet, the tool that applies the
enery to the workpiece as a hammer does to a nail. If the enery is there,
then an adequately large and deep wound can be caused. The trick is that
the 9mm has to reliably expand under a wide variety of conditions but not
too much nor too soon. Also, it has to have an adequate mass of lead to
push the expanded front end through enough tissue to get the job done,
but if you go too heavy, it wont be going fast enough to have the energy
it needs. Therefor, it seems to me that a medium weight bullet (115-124gr.-I
favor the 124s, personaly) of modern sophisticated construction (Gold Dots
and Golden Sabers being good ones) ought to work well most of the time.
And from what little statistical data is avaialble, they seem to do just
that. My G17 is loaded with 124gr. Gold Dots and I have a high (but not
infinite) confidance that they will work nicely when called upon.
But a full-size, single stack Glock .45 would have a hell of a lot
of appeal. :)
-Tom
Count me in for a subscription to your project.
Old Dog
Old Dawg, I disagree with the use of hand loads for defense purposes.
When I was in charge of our detectives one of the things I was saddled
with was the investigation of Officer Involved Shootings. Our county has
the DA's Office get on board with all of the shootings and this was something
more than one DA made issue of. To quote a DA "Why would you handload when
ammo is available" No handload guides show velocities as fast as the factory,
so if you get more velocity you are pushing the ammo into the exotic class
you spoke of, and going over spec pressure. Why do this? You gain squat.
Just buy Hydro Shock or whatever, and hit where you aim. As said before
equipment will never make up for training. Reloads open a can of worms
that should be left closed. If you are a cop you should carry the same
ammo issued off duty as on, unless they do not provide for an off duty
weapon.
On Para Ord, I have had several. A limited that is as good as you
can get! A P13 that is OK, but not close to the same quality as the Limited.
I wish they would come out with a HRT weapon with the same quality of the
limited, low price, and without the Bomar type sites. Give me some Novak's.
Bravo, the Springfield 1911's are pretty good, but usually could
stand a little work. I am looking for a new project if you are interested
in any trades.LOL If you get a Kimber just buy either the Classic/Classic
SS, or big bucks the SS Combat. The first ones should cost around 600.00
and the last double that, but it is a fully built combat pistol.
On another note, many of you asked if I had OD Green Slings in 1.5".
I was able to find some material and have an offer for this week on the
Emporium. I had to pay out and it left me short so my labor just became
cheap to get the other half off my back.LOL
Tom: solving problems on the cheap. What, you been looking at my
hotrod? Is primer grey not a fashionable color anymore? ;-) Whaddayasay
we beat up on Glock until they design a pistol for us?
Mike: I'm hoping that the scouring of people after a shooting like
you're talking about is not civvies, but LE as you were refering to. BTW,
the hot rod 115 load is right out of a Speer manual (they call it 1300
and change). Now can you explain to me why cops have less rights than civvies?
Not just in this, but in many other areas as well. For instance, a cop
that I hang out with had a guy stopped for speeding. As he's talking to
the driver, another car passes by and the passing motorist honks and gives
the cop the bird. The stopped driver asks my friend if he's going to do
anything about it. He says no, he can't be offended, but if you were, I'll
go get him. You can guess where that went. As for your project pistol,
I put less than 500 rounds down it (like 350?) before giving up on it.
If you want it, let me know, elsewise it's getting sold at the next show
to pay for the Kimber. I'm in for a greenie too, I figure it'll go well
on the CAR, right? In respect to you, I won't put it on a mini ;-)
Pete: thanks for the hand, I do appreciate it. I'm gonna go look
over that Kimber site now.
And next time you guys know something that I don't know, just cut
me off and say "try a Kimber". Besides, I like "learning experiences".
I like SIG (have 2 -226/9 and 220/.45), it is good gun for medium
hands, however, nobody mentionded that the original site is not very convinient,
I had to replaced it with night/three-dot one.)
For people who have medium to big hands, I would recommend new Breretta
92/96 Border Marshall, with new heavy slide, night site, factory worked
on trigger. Very accurate and balanced. I have it in .40 S&W, but they
could be bought in .357 Sig or 9 mm.
Also, on another site, someone made mention to a hollow point cutting
tool. Site:
http://www.hanned.com/~hanned/webc.cgi/~hanned/sgbtech.html
and
http://pages.map.com/gkiely/allard/cavity-maker.html
It is supposed to make a round more powerful. Any comments?
I need some advise from the experts. I'm planning on getting a tikka
595 sporter and putting a Springfield gov 2nd gen scope on it. Looking
through the list I find some negative comments on the Springfield scope.
Any advice for a guy on a budget?
On the .45 issue... gota go with the Kimber!
Thanks in advance.
I've always been a big fan of the 1911 design, look, feel etc. Also,
I've been a big fan of the Colt's. I've owned over the years two Series
'70 Gold Cups. One got tricked out for IPSC local matches approx 10 years
ago.
Had to sell both Gold Cups and a Sig P220. Liked the Sig, too. Didn't
have a .45 so I got a Kimber Custom Classic, their basic model, for 150-200.00
less than the enhanced Colt Gov't Models in the store.
As is, the Kimber will cycle any ammo I give it. I appears to shoot
as accurately as the Gold Cups did. Has some custom-like features that
come standard.
My 2 cents,
Jeff A.
Bruce E-
Dave-
Des
d19 <desdichado19@hotmail.com>
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
Break in for the Kimber: 350 rounds hardcast ball with lots of lube
and bullseye powder, 300 rounds TC's with AA#5, 250 rounds of the flying
ashcans, and 100 Federal Hydroshok. If it passes that, it stays ;-) Please
tell me it will!
Tom: promise me an Argentine will do this, and save me big bucks!
;-)
Patron 'Lito: the "doggie box" came today, I opened it and WAS AMAZED.
My wife however probably hates you now. Too bad, her loss / mess. Now I
have no excuses, so I gotta go to Storm!
Semper Fi,
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
All: Was out up till about 21:15 EST ... trying to mil and see what
I could see @ night. Seems like in some cases where your reticle cross
hairs are too dark to see - except for the fat part of the lines... your
eyeballs tend to draw that imaginary line across there for you..
Also - anyone have the diameter of the moon... There is enough visible
this evening to know that you have a side-to-side shot... It is exactly
9 mils from where I'm at.. Yeah, I know - the Major goes away and I turn
weird and start mil'ing everything I see.
Bruce: I don't think your mildot master will help me range the moon
- but it's still the best thing since sliced bread :)
Ken :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
The moon is between 31 and 32 minutes of angle, depending on the
time of the month (where have I heard that before!).
Finely got out (saw the sun for the first time in weeks)... The M70
'06 "Harlot" is incredulous, running around 1/2" for ten, and eating 190SMK's
like rice crispys (nothing personal, UnDude!)... it's been 30 years since
I owned an '06, and forgot what a truely great round it is.
The M24 is coming along fine. Took pics, will scan the negs and send
you some:)
'lito
The West Virginia Supreme Court has put it this way: "You may use
as much force as is necessary but no more force than is necessary" to stop
an attack.
I think that is a good rule of thumb.
On hand guns:
Novak's (Joe Bonar) did my P.O. P-12 and my P.O. P-13 (the P-10 is
still there but I am hopeing to get it back soon) The only problem I had
was they were a little tight until they were shot in. Must have been the
Black T finish. But now.... No Problems. On duty I cary a USP-40 (Sheriff
wouldn't let me have a 45) No problems there either and I like the fact
that I can get a gloved hand (finger) into the trigger guard when the weather
turns nasty. Also the checkering on the USP is the best I have ever found
on a "Plastic" gun.
Stay Safe
I havent thrown those particular loads at my Argentine, but it (and
the Norinco as well) has digested any number of 200gr. SWC on top of Bullseye
@ 850 fps (my dads "puffball" practive loads), factory 185gr. Remington
JHPs, 230gr. Gold Dots (my prefered defensive load, as assembled by Georgia
Arms) ancient Remington 185 gr. full-house wadcutters and all flavors of
ball as made on five different continents. And empty cases. Havent tried
any ashtrays as the 230 GoldDots are my answer for social work. Mind you,
the Agrentine is a purely military configuration gun as delivered, withe
the little ejection port, little sights, all that. They can stand some
tweaking. But it is made to a *very* high military standard. The crap that
Unk bought during WWII is just that, crap, as compared to an Argentine
gun.
A Series 80 Gold Cup had the most Rube Goldbergerized fire control
arangement of any handgun ever made. More little springs and levers than
the average pocket watch. I want no part of this one.
SIG P220: great gun with one downside: high centerline of bore over
grip equals a lot of muzzle flip. Not punishng, but enough to mess up your
recover time. The mythical Single Stack .45 Glock would solve that problem.
:)
Pressuring Glock for a Single-Stack .45
I was chatting with one of the Glock guys at the NRA convention earlier
this year and mentioned that I and probably a lot of other folks would
realy like a "full-size 36". The rep said that, knowing how Gaston Glock
operates, he would not be suprised to see one in the next year or two.
The difficult parts of the design like the fundamental geometry of how
the mag, fram and slide all mate up has been puzzled out in the deveopment
of the G36. With the hard part done, there could be a "duty size G36" in
the offing anytime Mr. Glock and his marteking guys decide there needs
to be one.
Bolt and IOR binocs:
Have both the 7x40s and 10x50s...both have outstanding glass and
optical qualities that would take 3x the money to beat. They compare favorably
in this repect with MILSPEC Stieners. The 10x50s are BIG and HEAVY, the
7x40s are compact and...well, a bit heavy, but nothing like the 10x50s.
:) These are very conservativly built, low-tech pieces of gear in construction
and configuration. Some might even call them dated. But, by God, they do
work. There is nothing low-tech about the optics.
The 10x50s will work as well as any 10x50 made for hunting, but you
gotta' be prepared to hump the things. This would be a most unfun thing,
I imagine. Personaly, I would look at something lighter. The 7x40s will
work about as well, I suspect, and are a bit lighter and much more compact.
If you realy want to be able to scope out deer at 400+ yards, I would look
into a spotting scope intead of any binocs.
Newsletter: I'm game. Count me in.
.22 RF as "sniper" rifle round:
Only for very spcialized missions requiring ultimate stealth, and
even at that there are many limitations to a .22's utility. Thats why there
is so much effort put into deleloping subsonic loads in .308 and .223,
.300 Whispers and the like. All of the quiet and multiple times the energy
on target equals much improved chance of success.
-Tom
Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Putting humpty dumpty back together again took a pair of tweezers
to get them little levers lined up correctly. I noticed a nicer pull after
giving all those little parts a nice clean job after about 700 rounds through
the pistol. I neglected cleaning those trigger parts when I took delivery
of the gun and I think some of the oils that were there during shipping
became a little crusty after being mixed with some crud from firing.
I think I just got a new name for my P14, Humpty Dumpty. Gee, thanks!
Try that mil exersise again and cover your head and scope with a
jacket to keep light falling in from the side. much better that way.
t
torsten <7.62@lasercon.de>
Mounting Solutions Plus / Ned Scheer
Precision Reflex / Dave Dunlap
any info on their products and customer service ?
Thanks
t
torsten <7.62@lasercon.de>
John
Oh, geez, didn't realize the moon had a purpose, other than barking
at it.
the diameter of the Moon is 3,476 km.
The average distance to the Moon is 382,500 km. The distance varies
t
torsten <7.62@lasercon.de>
Jerry
Jerry Rice,
Thanks for Sharing,
Rumour is S&W 4006's are a contender for my duty gun. We'll see
when they are "hot" in the holsters. be as good as anything else out there.
Smith's are good, Glocks are good, Brownings are good, Hi-Powers
are good, H&K's are good, blah-blah-blah
Practice makes perfect! And thats the Truttttttthh!
Chao!
PS- Depity, them thar Novaks are Major SCHWEET, what else would come
from a WV Master PDW pistolsmith.
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
Not to drag this subject out, but really I think we are both saying
the same thing, but for different reasons. This taboo of carrying handloads
for defense does not find any basis in law. Instead, it started with DA's
who were either too dumb to gain an understanding of the law of self defense,
or too lazy to care. The genisis of the law of self defense is the natural
law right that every person has to stay alive and unharmed, so long as
that person is neither an attacker, or provoking an attack. Again, once
an attack rises to the level where it is reasonable and justified that
I take your life, it matters not whether I do it with a handloaded pistol
round or a weedeater with a carbide blade attachment. IF my use of lethal
force against you is justified, it is justified, end of story.
Now, I don't suggest people will be immune from a dumbass DA who
can't understand what the law really is. So, I don't encourage people to
carry handloads. Neither do I discourage it...if a person is well trained,
not only in the use of a handgun, but in understanding intricate details
of the use of lethal force in self defense.
The cases I am familiar with where handloads became an issue all
involve either a questionable case of self defense, or an agenda in the
DA's office. Trust me, if a lady ends a rape by an ex-con who broke into
her bedroom by punching a handload of .45 through his bean, there is not
going to be a problem. Usually though, cases are not so clearly defined.
Old Dog
Binos: I have a set of 7X35's, and while I really like them, it's
not really easy to mil with them, because of my "wiggle". If I were going
to do it again, I'd get the 6X35's. 10X's? Not for me! BTW, Mike's IOR's
were superior optics, I was really impressed.
Tom: muzzle flip. That's one of the reasons I shoot IDPA. Signed
up as two people once, carried a Beretta and a Glock. Just to see which
I was better with in a side-by-side comparo. End result? This'll amaze
;-)
Now if I can just convince friend Torsten to make a trip down South,
and practice infiltration / escape and evasion on one of those Bavarian
hops groves..... hey, I TRY to do beer right! ;-)
And lastly, I had the wifie call out to Springfield to follow some
advice. Hey, it has a lifetime warranty, duh. I'm glad I got friends like
you to drive these points into my head! They say send it back, and they'll
GUARENTEE that it'll feed 100% reliably with ball and gold something or
something gold. Wifie doesn't take notes too well, and doesn't know the
brand names of ammo, but it was a hollow point. Golden Saber, Gold dot?
Anyone have any reasons I shouldn't let Springfield try to straighten thier
own stuff out? Of course, when it gets back, it's testing time again.
Additional “Tactical” rifle builders.
Very often here on the Duty Roster I see reference to rifle builders.
Most generally I see references to Jerry Rice, Mike Lau and Norm Chandler,
there are others mentioned of course but hardly ever do I see a reference
to Tac-Ord and never a reference to R. W. Hart and Son.
I’m not promoting a mass shift to either of these two manufacturers,
but rather a look-see at their products. I’ve seen and shot the Chandler
rifle, as well at the Mike Lau version and I would suspect I’ll get a look
at a Jerry Rice rifle this fall at the Sniper Rendezvous at Storm Mountain.
These two additional manufacturers can build rifles to rival any I’ve seen
and shot.
If you’re interested in having a rifle built, check with the well
known builders, but you might consider Tac-Ord and R. W. Hart too. I’ve
had two rifles from Tac-Ord and currently shoot a rifle built by R. W.
Hart. (Tac-Ord is currently building me a third rifle on M-24 look-alike
specification.) They all perform(ed) very well, easily in the sub .5 MOA
arena. In fact, the Tac-Ord rifles shoot so well that I’ve not been able
to keep my friends from buying them from me (one Tac-Ord shot sub .2 MOA).
This is a quick list of several features I’ve found for each of these
builders:
Tac-Ord, Meridian Idaho (208) 288-1450 WWW.TAC-ORD.COM :
Small shop with friendly staff, remember thier customers and customer’s
rifles
Staffed by tactical operators, personnel with a history of using
tactical weapons in an actual tactical operation.
Committed to excellence and will stand behind their product 100%.
High attention to detail(s), things fit correctly and function properly.
The rifle is assembled to be a single unit, not several pieces held together
with screws and bolts. In other words, the scope base and the receiver
are fitted to one another and the rings are fitted to the base and lapped
for the scope, all pieces are fitted to one another.
The staff knows “tactical” rifles and can guide you in the proper
selection of parts and equipment, but you are also allowed some freedom
in what is being built.
The turn-around time is very good, for me so far it’s always been
in two or three months.
WIDE variety of weapons specialties, suppressors, custom subsonic
.50 cal rifles.
R. W. Hart and Son, Nescopeck, PA (570) 752-3655
Small shop that’s been in business for MANY years.
Primary business is to the BenchRest and custom hunting rifle folks.
VERY familiar with LONG RANGE shooting, both target and animals (distances
to over 2500 yards)
Allow for nearly any configuration you desire and nearly any cartridge
and caliber (338 Lapua, 6/284, 6.5/284, 6mm-06, 338 Hart, 30 Hart, etc….
Builds “tactical” rifles for several PA units and other Police departments
within the United States.
Turn around time varies but I haven’t had to wait longer than 6 months
for a rifle, and once had one done in 3 weeks (I supplied the stock and
action when I ordered the rifle).
Friendly folks, know long range shooting very well.
Take a look at these builders in your spare time, I’m sure you’ll
find it worth your while.
Thanks
Dave “Doc” King
Dave "Doc" King <David_L_King@Yahoo.Com>
Thanks...
Couple of things:
Kimbers: I was all sold on them until I began to hear some negative
things. Just had one here at the Academy (an Ultracarry .45). After 300+
rounds, the extractor broke. After 2500 rounds, the guide rod sheered off
and went sailing down range. It may be that the Ultracarry, like other
lightweight weapons just cannot withstand prolonged use. No comment other
than that.
Re: Self-loads for self-defense.
I cannot disagree more with Mr. Ayoobs position for the past several
years about stock guns being more defensible in court than custom weapons.
I have served as expert witness on numerous homicide and self-defense cases
and it has never been a deciding issue. It has been raised but has not
been considered even by th 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty.
A home modified shotgun might raise an eyebrow, but given a righteous shooting,
it will probably not be germane.
On homeloads for self-defense; that is another matter. If you were
to put mercury and an epoxied finishing nail in a hollowpoint, that would
certainly be looked at as an issue of mens rea or state of mind. Here at
the American Shooting Academy and in all of my previous LE and military
special ops experience, homeloads were not used as a matter of probability
that a factory round is less likely to have a problem than a do-it-yourself
round. No disrespect to you committed homeloaders. It is just sound tactical
advice.
Orion,
Des
Hope the knee is doing good, you might have to use it to kick Mike
off the property. I think he's looking to bag one of your "large field
mice" ;-) Take care of yourself, hope you're not slowed down too much.
Hey ghillie masters, what're the dimensions on your veils? This seems
small.
Kush,
Semper Fi,
Been planning to buy a rifle for the last 4 years. When I stumbled
across your website looking for info on the performance of the M1A/M14
which I had thought I really wanted till I read article on your site debating
M1A vs AR10. Jins put some doubt into my mind which had been settled up
to that point.
They were right $2K's alot to drop on a rifle if you desire accuracy.
Jins sound pretty much like you know what your talking about, thought
ya'll could help me out.
I recently moved to RI from Germany and ain't getting much help there,
gun stores and ranges few and far between.
Thanks.
CPT B
Mike has to be right about the reloads, why mess with it. Get some
regular Factory stuff and blow shit out em! Why let em off with some sillouette
load or piss aunt wad cutter. I never had a .41 or .44 Factory load that
I could stand to shoot. They will take your wrist off. It's the least you
can do is put the guy to sleep humanely and quickly and be politically
correct. In a world that wants to use the "minimum amount of force only!"
It's best to hit dead center with that minimum amount of hollow point stoked
up factory kickshikker so they don't wheel his sorry ass into the court
room to complain about your poor shooting! His whinning mother or wife
will be bad enough telling you about what a great student and wonder boy
he really was.
Remember the folks that helped sponsor the event, and donated the
SUPER raffle prizes.
Youse that was thar could not forget it, those that were not in attendance:
BE THERE THIS YEAR!
Chao!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
C'mon you ghillie guys, gimme the dope on veils!
45 auto goes out in tommorow mornings UPS. We'll see what they'll
do with it. Lucky? ;-)
PeteR: wish I could get there this year. Gonna have to be next though.
VACATION TIME!!
2-7. TYPES AND CHARACTERISTICS The types and characteristics of sniper
ammunition are described in this paragraph. a. M118 Special Ball Bullet.
The 7.62-mm special ball (M118) bullet consists of a gilding metal jacket
and a lead antimony slug. It is a boat-tailed bullet (rear of bullet is
tapered) and weighs 173 grains. The tip of the bullet is not colored. The
base of the cartridge is stamped with the year of manufacture and a circle
that has vertical and horizontal lines, sectioning it into quarters. Its
spread (accuracy standard) for a 10-shot group is no more than 12 inches
at 550 meters (fired from an accuracy barrel in a test cradle).
One of Murphy's laws of combat:
"It's not the bullet with you name on it you have to worry about.
It's the other twenty thousand odd labeled occupant!"
Thanks to all who responded to my torque conversion question and
who convinced me not to use the ft lb wrench set at 5 ft lbs...Duhh what
was I thinking?
Str8shot <mshockley@hotmail.com>
P.S. sportsmansguide.com has Tasco 3-9x40 Mil-Dot scopes for $89.97
The requirments for the current sniper ammo (M118-LR), is 10 shots
inside a box 10" wide by 14" high at 1000 yds, worst case, from a test
bed rifle.
Most of it is betterer. Not bad "for government work!".
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
D&R has loopie VariX III 3.5X10 LR M1s with illuminated mil dot
for $771. That's a MUCH better value.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
Bravo: Try Ranger Joes or Brigade Quartermaster for a veil. I believe
it was Ranger Joes that sold a three pack of small Swiss OD netting for
less than $10 that I use. They are about 18 x 36 which seem to be a good
size for covering you and your optics and the netting is wider than mess
so it is easier to see through and breath through.
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
If you are going to go with a Tasco for economical reasons on a long
range rifle, choose their Super Sniper series. Mine works great and ran
$299.99 I believe from SWFA.
For those interested in the Choate stocks, Federal Arms (612-780-8780)
has both Varmint and Ultimate for $107.95. Great deal for those on a budget.
P.S. yes I know another word for economical and budget is "cheap",
but hey I get to learn how to shoot, buy reloading equipment, and keep
the piece around the house. 8^) My "budget" Savage 10fp rifle now shoots
CONSISTANT 3/4" 5 shot groups.
Chuck
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
What's your take on Gore's running mate from Connecticut? Just curious
as all I ever hear 'bout him is thru the mainstream press. Don't get me
wrong, I'm not considering a vote for them.
John
Your ghillie sounds as ratty as mine, you are right about the funny
looks that you get from the fabric store ladies. I shook down one of the
army/navy stores in town, they got me some rolls of 2" wide O.D. and tan
burlap. The problem that I had was I had patches of minty fresh burlap
surrounded with the old, tired stuff. All I had to do was abuse one of
the local laundry-mats far, far from my house ( as not to be recognized
by the management) It turned out really good after a spin on a Gentle cycle.
For materials, also try farmers markets, sometimes they have burlap
sacks that they will part with.
Semper Fi.
Kush out
Anybody ever tried Night Desert cammies for ghillie suit? Will let
you know how they look when I get done, hopefully this century.
One the dimensions of sniper veil. Well all I did was take the ex's
bridal train and died it cammo. Looks kinda sheek shimming around in the
woods.
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
Out here
ghost20396@hotmail.com
re' The Live Snipers (who have actually been to combat and survived)seem
to be blessed with unusually good eyes. The dead ones didn't usually die
because of their eyesight./In my research that is. Eye problems can be
overcome in the shooting aspect due to the optics but poor eyes a sniper
does not need. There has to be something else better suited if eyes are
a problem. YOu have to see the turrets for one thing and blurred Mil dots
will cause you to miss plain and simple.
Bolt; don't say "died" to a bunch of Snipers. Say "Dyed". It's more
politically correct. Got any rings you could lap?
Regards,
Bill B <dc8plumber@aol.com>
chao!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
Semper Fi!!
Chuck
For those that don't want to spend the time making a ghillie, Custom
Concealment offers a large selection from basic hunting up to heavy duty
military quality. All you need is to fray the burlap, trim it here and
there, then spray paint it for the terrain, tie it to your bumper and drive
around a little with it and you have a ghillie that is just as good if
not better than one you could construct. As far as natural camo goes, break
trail through heavy brush and you'll have all the natural camo you need
sticking to your ghillie. This is providing sound is not an issue. I use
their light military version.
I gathered that I'm not supposed to be making "little patches of
color" in my ghillie, but rather larger areas of all the same color. So
how large is large? I would think that something along the lines of a ragged
quarter of the suit would be TOO big, but I dunno. HELP?!
Still finding that old Russan brass in your yard? That was a fun
day runing around in the swaps down by your house. Well I got a new 45
and it's the shit. It shoots faster then I can shoot. Its a custom made
colt 1991 A1 from SMTC and its the shit. The next time we hook up I'll
let you shoot it.
LeMay OUT
Im the market for a scope and just saw an add in the GUN LIST for
Shepherd Scopes. Does anybody here have any opinion or experience with
these scopes?
They have a quote from gun test magazine saying they "recommend it
over the rest" Are these scopes a magic bullet that aint so magic, or do
they really work? Never heard any of you regulars speak of them so thought
I'd get your opinion. The add is on Page 131 of the August 4, 2000 edition.
Thanks!!
Rick <Rick.Waltemath@hhss.state.ne.us>
Thanks!
Thanks,
CM
Kush,
Semper Fi,
Semper Fi!!!
Chuck
Gooch, thanks for the poop on the Ghillie colors. I have some other
ideas for you to take a peek at and give comment.
Am considering using 3 different net/burlap combos for three seasons.
I am going to sew paracord loops on the base so that I can switch nets
quickly. Just trying to figure way to secure to base properly.
Next thing. Going to sew "adequate and generous belly, knee and elbow
pads in both my suits. Getting too old to get the appendages and the belly
beat up. Probably going to cut up a sleeping mat.
Next thing. Thinking about using a Camelback Mule as belt and suspenders
sewed on to the pants. I have one suit that the guy custom sewed a bladder/suspender
combination onto the bottoms and it really looks neat.
Next. I hate thumb loops, cuts thumb or makes them go to sleep. Thinking
of sewing cammo cottom gloves onto the sleeves in place of the loops.
Most definitely going to sew leg zippers in.
I am not sure about hoods versus boonie hats for head cover. I guess
both have their place but I am concerned about both pulling off when going
under brush. Any suggestions?
Next subject. I have come up with an idea for a field rifle rest
that I would like to lay on you guys. It would involve a heavy duty air
bag that would be attached at the same point as a bipod. A pivot plate
would be attached to the front sling stud and another pivot plate would
be attached to the bag with a ball type system yet to be designed. During
the stalk, the bag would be deflated. When you got to the shooting point,
the bag would be inflated. The configuration of the bag would be a rectangle.
The inflation method is yet to be thought of. Any comments?
Next subject. I would really like to have an 8mm and a 303 for playing
around with. Please give comments on the choices of old military rifles
that would be available at a reasonable price.
BTW, the STG won but am also going to get an M1A. Found some stuff
to do some trading with. Will just sell the one that I end up not liking.
Bolt Out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
Interesting how Sarah twists the truth into a lie. She says she fears
the possibility that the gun lawsuits will be stopped by "legislative fiat"
instead of proceeding "forward to the judgment of the courts." Trouble
is, these lawsuits were brought partly to undermine the decision of the
legislative branch NOT to ban guns, and these lawsuits ask the courts stick
their noses where they don't belong - as Connecticut's Judge McWeeney noted
last year when he dismissed the Bridgeport lawsuit. (Judge McWeeney's decision
can be found at http://www.gunsafe.org/Other%20news/Text%20of%20Bridgeport%20decision.htm)
http://www.handguncontrol.org/press/hci/080700.asp
For Immediate Release:
08/07/00
STATEMENT OF SARAH BRADY RE: GORE-LIEBERMAN TICKET
(WASHINGTON, D.C.) "The prospective choice of U.S. Senator Joseph
Lieberman (D-CT) as a
"On the issue of protecting American families with sensible gun laws,
Senator Lieberman is an honest,
"In contrast, Governor Bush's running mate Dick Cheney, who voted
for cop-killer bullets and for
"The next president of the United States must decide whether to support
an extension of the assault
"Senator Lieberman's integrity and common sense values are without
question. His selection for the
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
Rob: at the risk of sounding political, I'm having a hard time looking
myself in the mirror lately. I guess I'm going to be forced to vote for
bush, but to think that he would reverse the assault rifle ban, brady bill,
the "it's a crime" bill or anything else is purely wishful thinking. He
IS one of the elite, and anyone who reads the New American has the skinny.
Man I wish the media hadn't screwed Alan Keyes, he's what the country NEEDED.
I can wish though....
FYI, below is a letter from Lieberman, replying to a Gunsafe member
who wrote to Lieberman about the federal proposal to register all firearms
with the IRS. (For any Gunsafe member who is not convinced that registration
leads to confiscation, please e-mail us for info on California, New Jersey,
Australia, and England.)
April 13, 2000
Dear ------:
Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition to S. 2099,
the Handgun Safety and
I am not in favor of outlawing handguns or repealing the Second Amendment
to the Constitution
According to Senator Reed, S. 2099 would require registration of
all handguns, including those
The bill would also add handguns to the Federal weapons registration
system already in place
Lastly, the legislation would impose a tax of $5 on handgun registration
and transfers, rather than the $200 tax imposed on most NFA weapons; and
impose a $50 tax on the making of the handgun, rather than the $200 tax
imposed on the making of most NFA weapons. S. 2099 is currently pending
before the Senate Committee on Finance.
I intend to continue my support of effective initiatives to curb
access of guns to criminals and
For more information on other issues pending before the Senate, you
can visit my web page at
If I can be of further assistance on any other important matters
to you in the future, please don't hesitate to let me know.
Sincerely,
Joe Lieberman
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
Next time I'm thinking of using volleyball pads that slip on over
your legs and arms under a ghillie. I may try to keep them "fixed" and
prevent any slipping with some kind of tape. (Not the kind that will pull
of every hair on my body - hopefully.)
First, as you noted the Romanian rifle is not actualy a Dragunov
or a derivative thereof. It is more of a direct deveopment of the AK family
and uses the Kalashnikov-pattern gas system, one that is not noted for
promoting great accuracy. The rifles appear to be every bit as robust and
reliable as one might expect and I have heard a few good things said about
them being accurate, but the price strikes me as being high for what you
are getting: a rifle of indeterminate accuracy coupled with technicaly
obsolecent optics and featuring very limited logistical support for parts
and that shoots a relativly oddball cartrige to boot. Oh, yeah: the mags
are hideously expensive, too. At $450, I'd jump. At $700 I'd buy an StG-based
FAL or a 700 PSS.
The 7.62x54R cartrige is of rimmed configuration and still soldiers
on in a variety or roles in the former Soviet states and old satelites,
includind various sniper rifles and the PK family of GPMGs. Ballisticaly
it falls neatly between the 7.62 NATO and .30-06 cartriges and is noted
for being capable of very good accuracy. However, most ammunition available
is military surplus ball capable of only indifferent accuracy. Real match
ammo to fit Dragunovs and the like is very uncommon in the US.
Bolt and MILSURP toys:
Well, there are any number of options on the market. For logistics
nothing can compare to the M98 Mauser. You can get parts, scope mounts,
triggers, stocks, barrels, anything in multiple flavors. The No. 4 Lee
Enfield is also very workable but are not very common on the surplus market
of late. For a sturdy, reliable Dispos-A-Rifle, a sub-$50 Mosin-Nagant
is about perfect.
My current project: a M95 Steyr straight-pull in 8x56R. Add a 8x57
bolt head, reingineer the feed system and rebarrel to the more common cartrige
of your choice (in this case, 6.5x55: already got the reamer) and a custom
stock, and voilla: a oddball rifle that is more money pit than anything
else. :) Oh, well. It's cheaper than slot machines.
-Tom
Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
I'd pass on the Shephard scopes, Gun Tests ain't sniper/tactical
shooting related. Some reviews are good, some make me really wonder!
Daily WTF - I got a SECOND subscription renewal notice from Tactical
Shooter........ Anybody heard ANYTHING new?????????
To shoot a Draganov copyski accurately you MUST HAVE a Russian Troopskie
outfit! Gaaaahski!
Have a GREAT weekend folks!
Chao!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
Rosterfarians: heard something and need verification. The Guatemalan
issue rifle = ?
Peter: you're a riot-ski ;-) Humor is nice, good humor is appreciated!
Tom: my 'ol Rhodesian partner had a Schmidt-Ruben, and I was surprised
at it. You have a point, the strait pulls are nifty-neato. And it shot
with my rack grade Garand just fine. So, with a good, new barrel (WAY down
the line) and some stock work (bedding and sealing), whadda figure I could
get (accuracy wise) out of a 24" Swede Mauser? I love that 6.5X55, and
I got some nice micrometer sights that would fit it in trade years ago.
Did you say something about a money pit?
Found out today via Browning rep that the Hi-Powers (I asked about
the 40 specifically, not the 9) are no longer imported into the US. Since
it's now or never, I suppose I'll be taking posession of one when I locate
it. That'll complete the "ideal 5" until I test the Sig P-210 or Glock
comes out with the "full sized 36", which is actually in demand.
Rick; the Sheperd is a little shy on optics and there are odd parallax's
between all those range rings, The view is cluttered but those rings work
for sighting and it is much faster than MIl dots for the average bear.
It breaks too often and costs too much. I wish a good serious scope maker
would use the same system and build it right. Sheperd in my experience
is arrogant if you you have a problem and assumes it has to be you or something
stupid you have done. Until they change their attitude with dealers and
users they are doomed to sell Sheperds in piss aunt quanities. I guess
sheep herders just can't build good scopes!
Try the Night Force model with the ranging rings. It's much better
all around except the rings are not located vertical and it is slower as
is the Springfield. The Springfield has mixed reviews, people I
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
Last time I saw pix on TV, the Guatemalans were toting Galils in
7.62 NATO.
I have worked with the M1911 Schmit-Ruben as well. Made like the
proverbial swiss watch but too dang bulky and ejects straight out the top.
Always wanted a K31 but too much moolah for a wallhanger.
The M95 Steyr, OTOH, is common as dirt and almost as cheap and has
cheap ammo to go with it (albeit of 1938 vintage), is reasonably compact,
is well made and of very sound design (good gas handling, from the looks
of it). In many respects it is highly underreated. Major dificulty with
the 8x56R version is the oddball bullet diameter (.329") and proprietary
clips. The Germans converted a number to 8x57 at one point and you can
get those bolt heads but not the extractor, so I am going to hjave to fab
an extractor out of spring steel, Then I get to convert/eliminate the magazine
box. Plan B: just rebarrel the thing to 7.62x54R.Clips, bolt face, everything
will work with hardly a tweak. Only prob is I dont have $105 for a reamer,
plus the money for the barrel blank. Gotta go broke buying a lathe next
week (!) first. (woo-hoo!) That is what makes any of the above possible.
I gather that you would probably like more specific info than I provided
on the .303 and the 8x57 gun. Various 8mm Mausers abound right now, mostly
in the form of either Yugoslav M24s, Czeck VZ-24s and a bunch of German
Kar 98s, the last two courtesy of the Russians. All except very late-war
German actions will work very nicely. The Yugo M24s have a slightly shorter
action, just enough to make is a problem to fit to an aftermarket stock.
Personaly, I ordered in a VZ-24 from Century Arms a few months ago for
a whopping $60. Gun is very nice inside and out.
As for .303s, right now, we are going through something of a dry
spell when it comes to Lee Enfields. Ther ea few out there in the supply
stream for about $100 or so in pretty solid condition. You might want to
try www.aimsurplus.com They had some of the last I have seen for the past
year or so.
If you plan to play with this sort of thing a lot, you might want
to look into getting a C&R FFL at some point. It's nice to be able
to buy a few things through the mail at wholesale again.
Sweed accuracy: I have an M96 with 29" barrel that I butcherized
some years ago and scoped. It puts out 140 Matchkings at 2,900 fps into
3/4 MOA all day long. The barrel is dated 1903. Be impressed. Be very impressed.
I know I was. :)
-Tom
ALL...has anyone had any experience with the Sellier & Bellot
Match 168 gr, load? I picked some up cheap...er, inexpensive, and I'm a
bit leary to run some through my PSS until I see if anyone knows any thing
about it.
Ghillie Burlap...Wal-mart Garden center has a large roll of the stuff
for about 6 bucks. and it is better quality than the cammo stuff you find
over in sporting goods.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
I recently saw some marine ghillies that used detachable netting
panels. They had different panels ready to go for different terrain. It
was more of a modular system that used a primary base uniform. Not rocket
science, but an idea that I had never thought of over the course of six
different ghillie constructions! The panels on the one I saw were attached
with small fastex buckles.
A note on pads. I've tried the volleyball type (under the uniform)
that cut off the circulation and the hard-shell entry type (over the uniform)that
screw up a good prone shooting position. They both help on a stalk but
have very serious drawbacks. I recently saw (see above) some high-speed
dudes from Singapore that were wearing pads by RollerBlade. The attachment
was velcro straps but there were no hard outer shells. The best of both
worlds? I haven't tried them yet, but intend to. Consider it before throwing
down cash on something that just looks cool. Speaking of looks, you might
want to get rid of the big, shoot me please, reflective Rollerblade logo.
They hadn't. WTF?!
For everyone: Does anyone have ideas or methods of attaching a 60
or SAW MILES transmitter to an M24. I assume that an MG transmitter has
an increased output just as the M24 transmitter has, to allow for max effective
range. We cannot get our hands on the real deal so we are hoping to adapt,
improvise and overcome. Watchwords of today's NG. Any help would be appreciated.
SxB Match 308, I have a limited experience with it (60 rounds) That
shot fairly well, not as good as Black Hills or Federal, but about like
PMC Match.
LeMay long live the 45. I did not know you could get a SMTC version.
We may have to call him Rod Smith soon.
On Ghillies, I have come up with something that I was going to show
at SMTC this year but since I wont make it I will share it here. I took
Swiss Sniper veils(four). Sewed one to the back of a BDU shirt. I split
two9four halves) and attached them to the legs and arms of BDUs. The arms
attach at the back sewn in veil and around the arms with elastic/fastex
buckles so they come off. The legs fastex to the belt and around the legs
with elastic/fastex. The head veil is attached to the back sewn on with
fastex buckles. The five parts can be put on and taken off in seconds,
leaving only the back part sewn to the bdu. This also has a Camel Back
pouch. The great thing about the swiss veils is they are cotton fine mesh
so they do not make noise or snag on everything in the world. I sewed a
few pieces of para cord so I can tie in natural camo
Delta Bravo/Undude
Went to WalMart last night, and they have burlap available by the
yard. ( $1.48/yd )They had only threee colors, natural, white, and tan.
In the past they had dark brown, and dark Green as well. I only buy the
natural stuff, and dye it with Rit Dye.
Later,
As far as I'm concerned the Lieberman thing is a moot issue cause
he is running UNDER Gore.
GHillie padding. DOnt bother padding anything other than the knees
and elbows and maybe thin padding in the pocket of the shoulder (as in
a shooting jacket). REINFORCE the belly with codura nylon from the area
just above the breast pockets (name tape area on military BDU's) to just
below the knees (mid tibia) as well as the elbows.
You are not padding the thing with the intent of being super comfortable
whilst stalking. Its IMPOSSIBLE to do that. What you are padding for is
to keep your knees and elbows from disintegrating. They will still chafe
and get red/raw etc. Its part of the job and you learn to deal with it.
Anything that binds your elbows and knees will increase your pusle
beat in those areas and are counter-productive to shooting plus elastic
pads will cause sweat to pool up under there and make the booboos worse.
The hard roller blade pads will slip around, which is again counter-productive
to shooting. After a period of time you will get some manly calluses in
these areas and things get better. Make sure to treat your little raw spots
with antibiotic creams and the like or they can get real nasty.
I have found that the best method for padding knees and elbows is
to diddy bop down to a auto upolstery shop get some of the padding they
use for doing vinyl roofs (its closed cell, flexible and about 1/4" thick)
insert it in between the reinforcing that is present in the military bdu's
knees and elbows and call it quits. I used a sleeping pad on my last ghillie
and it works okay but I have seen guys use the upholstery shit and it is
great. While hunting one year I tripped and fell on a boulder behind my
house up here in west by gawd. I had my ghillie trousers on and when my
knees impacted on the rock it was cushy. If I was still active duty I would
put the auto upholstery padding in all of my field bdu's and rig up velcro
so I could take the pads out to wash them.
Codura is the way to go for the front. It is low friction when doing
the low crawl, is water repellant and you can get it in almost all of the
military camouflage patterns. If anyone can find it in chocolate chip desert
let me know. I used old nylon sea bags on my last one and it worked great
since the sea bags are pretty much water proof (kept the treated side inboard
by the way).
Out here.
CDC: McMillan says they MIGHT have my stock back to me by Friday.
As of yesterday morning, they haven't touched it. I told her I wanted it
back so that I could shoot on the 20th, leave on the 19th. Here's the deal:
if I show up with a desert cammo stock, I'll shoot well. Assuming that
I've had time to run some rounds down it and get the stock settled before
hand, or can do such at the range. If you see my nifty greenie cammoed
stock, all bets are off, but I'll shoot service rifle with it. And I'm
gonna pester McMillan Monday and Tuesday too, until they would rather just
DO it than talk to me. I LOVE thier stocks, probably moreso with the cheek
piece that SHOULD have been on there, but thier customer service leaves
LOTS to be desired!
Is there some difference between the burlap rope and the burlap cloth
once it's shredded? Or is it all the same? Gots PLENTY of burlap colored
twine / yarn / rope whatever you call it to shred, but I can put burlap
cloth in there too if it'll help. Not looking for woolybuggar time though.
Ghilly suspenders !
I canned my elastic suspenders after my first stalk with a fully
loaded suit. The pants end up around your knees, if they don´t now
they sure will once it rains.
I went down to the auto salvage yard and cut myself some seat belts
sewed them onto the rear of the pants first, loaded up and then stapeld
them to the front for the first fitting test. After finding it OK I sewed
them in place. Make sure to cross them in the back and to get the angles
right so they conform to your beefy shoulders. Otherwise they will slip.
Ende
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torsten <7.62@lasercon.de>
Be careful though. SOme hemp type rope has a "sheen" to it. The stuff
I used didnt hold paint very well. After every stalk it was almost all
gone. It also tends to want to re-wrap itself and looked like a Rasta hair-do.
After taking my ghillie out of a stuff sack I had to "tease" it to get
it to fluff. I felt like a hair dresser.
But the rope is tough and lasts for awhile and doesnt absorb water
like the burlap. The ropes we used were old climbing ropes from obstacle
courses. Im pretty sure it was made out of organic material. Nylon rope
is out!!! It goes blond on you. As it was my suit looked like a grizzly
bear from behind.
Go here for a look at the suit. No comments on the website yet. It
aint done!
Out here
Maybe now that I have the "honey do-s" done for the day, I can get
to work on the ghillie. Kent, that pic didn't do me much good, other than
proving that the pic one has in ones mind is most often WAY off ;-) You
got some pics of the suit or can you steer me to some? I wanna do it right
the first time around. I'm doing most all of it straw colored, with some
very light green (sage). A small amount of slightly darker green and some
grey-green in there too. Should I forget the brown all together? It's pretty
light out here.
Big John <BigJohn@1st.net>
Regards to All,
GUys the bottom line on ghillies is to remember that there are two
goals.
1. Break up the outline.
It is very easy to go from an outline of a guy in cammies to the
outline of a chewbacka. Dont over do it. You can obtain the desired outline
defeating effect with a minimum of garnish. A piece every 4-5 inches can
do it to break up the outline.
When it comes to blending use natural camouflage. Use the veg that
the AO presents to you. You know what a big burlap covered human looks
like in optics? A pile of burlap!!! Use natural vegetation.
Next bottom line in case some of you missed this thread the last
200 times it has come up is that a perfect ghillie wont do you as much
good as a well planned route and proper individual movement techniques.
Guys have literally stalked NUDE and reached a firing position. I've had
it done to me when on the OP and so have a lot of others. DUdes, you cant
see through a tree trunk, boulder, side of a ditch etc.
I'm tired.
Out here.
If you want to use one frame for both slides you can do so, but the
ejector for each caliber is size specific. If you change the ejector along
with the slide it will work correctly.
Wild Bill: when the plant I'm currently working in was built, it
was done such to replace one that went up all at once. If what I understand
is true, kiloton bomb forces, shattered windows miles away, and you could
watch the ground ROLL for at least a mile (on film!). JUST in case, they
put this one out in the middle of nowhere, and bought all the land surrounding
it for miles. Since nobody can hunt on the land (for safety and insurance
purposes) the pronghorns love to eat the well kept lawn. They have absolutely
NO fear of man. It's common for me to walk within 20 feet of two does and
3 fawns between buildings most every day. And they never run, even if you
make wild gestures (like throwing gallon acid bottles into a dumpster!).
Heck, I wouldn't consider a speer sporting with them!
MicTac: thanks for the info, I wasn't sure if it would switch one
way or both. Someone I shoot IDPA with carries a ported 40 cal sub compact
Glock. Of course, ports are not kosher for IDPA, so on race day, he yanks
the 40 barrel out, and puts a stock unported 9 barrel in the 40 slide (w/spring).
No ports, so it's legal. It feeds out of 9 mags and functions perfectly
(that I've seen anyway). Oh well. Just trying. Thanks!
Hey Undude!!!
And please forgive me, I really shouldn't but here goes (don't read
this if you can't take a good bit of ribbing in good humor):
Ghillie still looking shabby, but not like a pile of burlap.
Gore's running mate has been a senator here in Konnecticut for two
terms. Gore picked him partially because he wanted an "honest looking"
running mate, but mostly because all the big guns like Gephardt, feel that
Gore's going down in flames, and don't want to go with him.
For the first term (6 years) he didn't propose ANY legeslation...
just stood around and did nothing.
On 2nd amendmant stuff, he's a bummer.
He may not have much confidence in Gore, as he's still going to run
for the State Senate this fall (to make sure he has a job!)
The local Dems are pissed, cuz he's also still running for the Senate,
and that means they can't run anyone else... he looks "pretty" now, but
I think he's gonna' look pretty lame as elections come close.
He's a whimp. He couldn't lead a bunch of sailors to a cat house!!
Bravo...
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
Can't lead a sailor to a cat house. Where you come up with these?
Now you wanna tell everyone how well the Ol' Harlot did, or you gonna
make 'em beg?
I already said how the "Harlot" shoots... do an EDIT "find" for "Harlot"!
The AP hasn't got here yet. I'll shoot 5 for velocity, and group,
and pull the rest.
'lito
Yep, and I used it on the ghillie too. I dyed it, and then cut it
into odd shapes then stitched it to the suit. Sort of looks like leaves.
It is mostly "trial-and-error" to get it to look okay.
Later,
What is the reasonable distance that one should stalk and still remain
realitively invisible? If you have an open field such as Carlos did in
the 500 yard shot he made at the genreal, was that related to the distance
that he wanted to get to or the distance that he could remain concealed?
I went out in the cow pasture behind the house this afternoon and
tried to imagine what I would be colored as to remain concealed. Since
it is mostly tall grass and a few bushes[mostly combinations of sage and
light green colors] I got really confused as to how I could make it through
the woods to the pasture using a light color that would match the pasture.
Folks I can tell that this is one subject that I guess you have to
be or have been there to understand. Next weekend going to put on the ghillie
and try to get the girlfreind to spot me in the pasture.
On second thought, who cares if it is less filling?
Only in Canada, eh? Pity.
Any of you guys in the US ever see the Molson Canadian beer commercial,
"I am Canadian!". The commercial is a huge hit in this country. If any
of you have seen it,you'll know why. For those of you that haven't,it's
all about American perceptions and stereotypes about the way Americans
view Canadians. The guy that stars in it is an old classmate of mine. Very
hilarious.
Bye for now...
Jeff Babineau <j.babineau@ns.sympatico.ca>
Be veeerrrrrryyy, veeerrrryyy careful (Fudd accent). Most cow pastures
have cows on them. Most cow pastures, as a result, will have cow pies.
The dry ones are no problem, but you got to watch out for the wet ones.
If the cows are densely packed, so will the patties and that should be
a blast to get out of your ghillies.
Also, if your cows are like the steers on my favorite place, they
are trained to come to the person to make it easier to round 'em up. Forty
cattle gathered around you is diffuifult for a spotter to miss. My dad
found that out the hard way.
He went out deer hunting, as usual parking about 1/4 mile away from
the stand. Naturally, he had the white pickup, identical to the one used
to feed the steers occasionally (the "training" mentioned earlier). 120
head in the area means he had 60+ around him. He said he walked around
for an hour and half trying to lose the escort, then gave it up as a bad
idea and returned to camp. Needless to say, with that many cattle around
all bawling for food and moving around, he didn't see a single deer.
On ghillies - would it make sense to set up your covering on a net?
I am thinking about something with 2"x2" or 3"x3" holes with the burlap
and natural stuff tied to the net. Wear normal camoflauge underneath and
it may be cooler, easier to get on and off, and the limited area to tie
things on will help prevent the Chewbacca syndrome. (What would we call
it without Star Wars?)
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
Demo Dick might be spinning a yarn? No Way dude...can't be. All of
that crap has got to be true.
also what weight projectile should I use. 175???
I am setting up to get started on my new out of the box SSG!!!!!
Thanks Nick
I was by Panama City last February. You mean to tell me somebody
actually lives there? I rolled down my window as I was driving by and I
thought it was just a landfill site.Go figure.Who would have known any
different?
By the way, I met this guy from South Dakota, perhaps you know him?
His name is Bob. Can't think of his last name right now. You know who I'm
talkin' about,right?
Good day,eh!
Jeff Babineau <j.babineau@ns.sympatico.ca>
By the way, what did you do with all of the handguns, eh?
Don't worry, we picked two of the worst SF guys we have to come annex
the place...we heard there was some great beer up there...and we'll let
ya have yer damn 'guns baack there, eh!
Pat <mrbullet@hotmail.com>
What I have followed is for the 1st 20 rounds, cleaning every round,
with hoppes, until dry, then copper solvent, until dry, then rem oil.
Then after the first 20 rounds, every 2nd or 3rd round routinely.
What I have not known is whether to use a brush. Some shooters say
they NEVER use a bore brush. I know not to use a tornado steel brush. The
question is whether to use a copper bristle brush.
What do you shooters do? I am shooting a .308 AI.
robert <rtschiemer@aol.com>
Jerry - can you do a can for the .408 Cheyenne tactical - .338 we
don't need no stinking .338 (Christmas present gun I think)
Got some of the Spanish SS109 going to do a test with it some CDN
C77, US M855, and Belgian SS109 later this week.
Anyone know of a source for SS110 Tracer?
Also anyone up on NFA laws I I send my 18" 870 barrel to Scattergun
do they have to charge $200 for shortening it to 14" even if it is going
back to Canada? (Its legal here, as long as it come that way from a factory)
Kevin <kevmich@cadvision.com>
for 4-5$$K the gunsmith better act as a lifetime caddy/spotter! just
kiddin!
Use either conventional brass core/bristle brushes or nylon (my preference)
to remove the powder residue/fouling.
Patches and a decent copper solvent to remove copper deposits.
Chao!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
If you are oiling your bore be sure to store it muzzle down to keep
oil from working into the action and dry it out before firing.
Make sure you are cleaning from the chamber to the bore, using a
bore guide and keep that muzzle lower than the chamber. I prefer the Otis
cleaning system over solid rods as it forces you to do things right.
Hey guys. Ken has rigged us a web based email doo hicky that will
allow you to access riflemen.net email from anywhere you can get on the
internet from. He is working on encryption and other security shit. Riflemen.net
is going to rock.
Out here.
One of you said to always read the archives before posting, so I
did my research. Great information!
thanks much.
robert
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Gale McMillan
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Darren...
Darren <darren@darrendong.com>
The people there don't own guns! It just didn't feel like home.
Very glad to be an armed, self-determinist (American)
Back on the ghillie color issue. Gooch again brings up good points
on going lighter. But, why is it that most of the custom made suits that
I see made dark. Are the suits that the real military snipers build that
dark? I took the night desert camo and the 3 color desert camo back into
the pasture this afternoon and laid it beside the dark one that I already
have. I do admit that in an open field, the 3-color desert is better even
without burlap. But, what concerns me is going light in dark or shadowy
woods. I guess it still gets back to the distance you have to go, what
you have to go through, how good you are at using natural cover and how
close you have to get to take the shot. It may be something that I have
to get someone to really help me with that knows what they are doing.
On a rather odd subject.....Has anyone ever thought about selling
off all their mediocre weapons and trimming down to just a couple or three
very high quality weapons? I don't know why this crazy idea hit me all
of a sudden, maybe it will go away. I just keep wondering if it wouldn't
be better to have a couple or three that you concentrate on and know every
thing about then to have a hockey load that just take up space. MAYBE I
DO NEED THAT SHRINK AFTER ALL.
Bolt the ghillie challenged wannabe, out!
Don't let CDC rattle your cage... he took first in his state's 1000
yd match with an out of the Box, M70/Heavy Barreled Varmint in .308, with
nothin' but a trigger adjustment :)))
Boltster...
Dudeski!... whatsamatter fa' youz. Your ol' lady mad at you.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
Undude/Mike
As a firearms dealer here in Canada,I've got an opportunity to buy
several of them with the intentions of possibly exporting them into the
US.
I might be able to offer a great deal on these rifles if I knew what
the normal selling price was on these rifles.
Thanks,
Jeff Babineau <sales@targetshootingsupplies.com>
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
Dave
I priced a TRG21 a few months back for $2400 USD. Sako makes a great
rifle. Got some shooting buds that got the Tikka White Tail Sporter in
.308. This is like a poor mans TRG21. Beautiful Walnut Stock that is fully
adjustable for Lenght of Pull, and Adj Cheek Piece. Has an accessory rail
built in too. With Match ammo it is sub-moa all day. $850 USD out the door
all taxes included.
Best Regards,
Bill B <dc8plumber@aol.com>
Stainless; goes to hell in Salt water but it's way better than the
blued stuff. Parkerized is best. Steel varies like someone said depends
on how hard it is to a great extent.
Gun cleaning was an old pass time to keep grunts busy. It went out
with black powder to scrape your barrels away. Run the copper solvent then
patch it out. If there's rust danger treat it with a rust preventive. Brake
free cleans but doesn't prevent rust. Oil gums up stuff too much. I try
to have guns that don't need oiled. I do the copper solve youverytime but
don't use the brushes on barrels unless the copper fowling is every bad
and then it don't work too good.
Ok Lito that 700 yard one is good enough for your Glock but where
are you gonna shoot your rifle?
Will the real Mike Miller please shoot a group!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
From what I have seen of the custom suits I really like most of thier
core suits ie the jackets and trousers but the ghillie jobs are way overboard.
I guess when you charge 300-400 plus dollars for a suit it better look
like chewbacka. Almost every custom suit I saw come through Storm Mountain
I told the owner to get a pair of shears and attack, attack, attack.
Bill R did you get my email?
Out here
Too many Mike Millers. I'm confused. At least the e-mail address
of Delta Bravo stays the same ;-) Man, I love callin' you that! JUST IN
JEST THOUGH.
Kent: keep the good stuff a-comin'! Right now my ghillie is OD net
and straw colored! Oh, and Mike, I'm spacing the "tassles" every few inches
like you did, no wooly buggers. Now, where did you get the fuzzy dice?
Whew! Finally got out and shot the sniper rifle! Well it did quite
well. I was shooting clay pidgeons at 300,400, and 500yards. The weirdest
thing happened, well two things. The first. I used a load that I have used
before and blew primers. Here is what I came up with as the culpret. I
substituted the CCI large rifle magnum primers for Federal Gold Medal Magnum
215Ms. Well to get the picture in focus I'll give the load. Sierra lists
for their 168gr HPBT 46.8gr of WW748 as maximum. I was using exactly 46.0gr.
Several items of concern came about. 1, a blown primer, 2 a case head flowing
into the bolt. DANGER! So I stopped and deadlined the ammo for examination.
I pulled all the bullets and weighed all the charges, 46.0gr. I then weighed
the bullets 168.0 (I also use the 175s they are almost identical except
for weight.) I measured the bullet length.
Bad Karma
Pathfinder Dave, ACOG range reticles are STANAG (SS109 for the 5.56
and the 147gr'ish in 7.62) apparently thought different models are for
different barrel lenghts - mine tracks SS109 out of the 14.5" M4A1. And
some 7.62mm can be had in 168gr (I'm told)
MicTac - Sorry brain fart on the Ejector/Extractor - reading late
and didn't think -My Glock 23 is now history couldn't keep it in Canada
(legally) cause it entered after Feb 14 95 and had a short (less than 4
3/8" tube)- And BATF took to long to resend south so I had it deactivated
(plugged barrel) and sold it as a play toy (and some little turd will probably
reactivate it - Ahh CDN gun Laws - Don't you feel safer)
If anyone wants info on how it did in New Zealand Army SWS trialls
1991,(very well),drop me a line.
Chris
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
It's probably something you don't want to do every day..
Probably the best overall is to get a wash tubb, fill it with your
favorite laundry detergent, work it over with your hands, then hang it
up on the clothes line - rinse with a garden hose -then let the solar dryer
take care of it from there...
Ken :)
Ken <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
I clean the barrel(s) when THEY need cleaning:
On a stock PSS .308 I had, the barrel would copper-up real fast and
my groups opened up. I'd clean that thing regularly, probably every 50
or so rounds except for training days when no cleaning gear was available,
then I'd wait until the end of the day.
On a custom .308 (Hart barrel), it doesn't seem to copper-up much
at all and keeps shooting little tiny groups. I clean it after exposure
to mud, sand and rain but hardly ever due to a round count.
On a custom 6mm-06 (Hart barrel), I'm trying to extent the useful
life of this barrel-burner so I clean it every 20 to 30 rounds. (I use
Moly'd 107 Sierra's, Moly only because they were FREE). I'm at nearly 400
rounds on the barrel and it's still fine, figure it'll make it to 750 or
800 before going shotgun. I don't know if any additional cleaning will
extend it's life but it's my penance for chambering in the cartridge.
I'd say that cleaning schedules/rituals could be based on how the
rifle cleans-up. If it's badly fouled every 20 rounds you'll need to clean
it far more often than if it's barely fouled at 300. I do advocate cleaning
after exposure to harsh elements, unless of course you need an excuse to
replace a barrel early.
On ghillies and rifle camo, what about an incorporated distant and
near pattern. Use large areas of generally one shade (light or dark) and
then small(er) areas of alternate shade within the larger pattern. WHAT
DID HE SAY?? An extreme example, forest cammies at great distance appear
all dark (solid colored) conversely desert cammies appear light. Up close
either of these have a disernable pattern, now for illustration purposes
lets make a BDU set from 50% desert and 50% forest. One lateral half of
the top is desert and the other is forest, the bottoms are laterally split
also but the light and dark shade is switched. Perhaps a poor example to
actually try but maybe the idea came across. I've used such a pattern on
my rifles and it seems to work very well.
Dave "Doc" King <David_L_King@Yahoo.Com>
Glocks, what Glocks, I ain't got no steeenkin' Glocks!
'morning Pat...
Fust off... empty your e-mail box, or get them to give you more space.
I sent you pics of "Pablito's Great Patented Teflon Gun cookin' Oven" yesterday,
and they got bounced back, sayin' your mail box didn't have enuff space.
Cleaning Ghillies, and barrels...
Jeez, I'm not sure I want to get into this gun cleaning thread, cuz
I know I'm gonna' get beat up on this one.
I'm real bad with combat handguns, except my carry guns, which I
keep clean, and they don't get shot much.
AR's / CARs / Galils and such, get cleaned every so often, maybe
500 to 2000 rounds.
But on match grade bolt guns and my M21, I'm not anal, but pretty
fussy. I clean them at around 70 to 100 rounds, cuz I can see accuracy
fall at that point, or I clean them the evening after a match.
I've gone through many cleaning routines, and my current is:
I never use anything that warns about leaving it in your barrel too
long... the chemistry is simple... if a solvent will etch your barrel in
6 hours, then it doesn't make too much difference if it's one stretch of
6 hours, or 36 stretches of 10 minutes, the etching is about the same.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
I use a mixture of 1/3 Kroil and 2/3 Shooter's Choice. Couple of
wet patches to get things loose, then a bronze brush for the stubborn stuff.
Finish off with a few dry patches to get the dislodged junk out, then a
couple more wet patches and couple more dry. If it's going to sit for a
long time I'll wet a patch with MilTech and run it through the bore.
Washing ghillie suits, used the 'leave it in the rain' method all
but once. Just before last years SMTC Hathcock Memorial shoot I discovered
that one of my cats liked the ghillie better than the litter box. After
a few contemplating moments and a lively discussion with my wife, I opted
for the high-speed wash in the Kenmore. Not a bad word from my wife on
the whole incident, she cleaned up the washer and kept the cat too. I dried
the ghillie on the drive West on I-70 and I-68 to Storm Mountain, might
have lost a few small chunks but nothing big.
Dave "Doc" King <David_L_King@Yahoo.Com>
Battle carbines and such: I'm a long ways from the Corps on that
one! Now I clean 'em when I'm done, if it's a week, then so be it. Same
for a day. Unless it's a test, then it'll go for a LONG time!
Pistols I'm a little worse on. I know my Glock will choke if I use
cheap GI ammo and don't clean it or oil it for 1800 rounds / year and a
half carrying it. I don't get excited if I run 200 rounds through it and
then not clean it before it goes back in the holster with the "good stuff"
;-)
I was looking at the Cheaper Than Dirt web site and found an add
for ammo made by a Russian Company called Wolf Perfomance. The pricess
are Hellishly cheap ($1.99 box of 20 7.62x39, almost TOO good to pass on)
and I was wondering if anyone out there knew anything about this ammo.
Is it safe, or would I get what I pay for? I would hate to get even
a small quantity and have it ruin my rife.
Thanks for any help anyone out there can give.
Like all machanical things... ammo, chambers, and reamers, all have
+/- tolerances. If you have a minimum chamber, and a maximum cartridge,
or maximum FL die, then there may be some tightness, which goes away on
the first firing, as the case fits itself to the chamber.
You get 1/4" groups... sit back and enjoy it!!
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
Cory,
Cleaning ghillies, I didn't know I was supposed to clean it!!! I
just kept all that stuff on there as "natural camoflage". I figured it
got clean enough during typhoon season (except for the bottom).
Kush, Rob, Gooch, Bravo, Bad Karma, etc.
Chuck
'Lito, using Woolite? No wonder them sheepies follow you around.
I've got this picture of the guy in the movie "Everything You Wanted To
Know About Sex, But Was Afraid To Ask", that turned into a street guy drinking
Woolite when his sheepie girlfriend left him. LOLLOLLOL
Rather than cleaning, let the crud build up and just load smaller
caliber boollets so they will go down the smaller bore with all the copper
and crap in it. Or better yet, eventually all the rifling will be filled
up and you can use the damn thing as a smooth bore musket. Jeez, I can't
imagine going 500 rounds without cleaning unless somebody is shooting back
at you and you ain't got time to clean. Well, each to his own I guess,
but not me.
Have another idea on the ghillie. Take a panoramic camera to every
place in the country that you think you may have to stalk. Take enough
pictures of each area so that you can tape them together, make a cape and
bingo, no more questions. It still amazes me that I have not read or heard
of any sniper in Viet Nam that every used a ghillie. Why have they become
so popular? STILL the question, what is a reasonable distance to be able
to stalk to an still remain concealed?
Kevin or Jeff: making it South of the border any time soon?
Last July I attended a machinegun shoot in Maine. In February, my
wife and I, and my brother & sister in-law went to Orlando, Florida
for a week's vacation.
I don't know when I'll make it down next. I'm kind of foolin' around
with the idea of going to the SHOT Show, anybody know where it will be
held next year?
Bye for now...
Ghillies: Make them when the wife is out of town! I had a weekend
by myself recently. I was able to dye the burlap on the stove (in my wife's
good pot, but what the hell, it was the biggest one she had) and then wash
the uncut burlap in the machine and dry it. A lot of lint. (by a lot I
mean several cubic feet of it.) and there were some stains in the dryer.
It took some scrubbing, but by the time she got back the house was back
in order. Once the G-suit is finished I'm thinking of putting it back in
the dryer for about ten minutes instead of pulling the threads.
The unaided human eye can only decern an object about one MOA in
size, on a contrasting background. Standard BDUs and distance will keep
a sniper pretty invisible from the average grunt, assuming you are practicing
good noise/light, and cammoflage discipline. The purpose of a ghillie suit
is to keep a sniper hidden from someone using optics. On today's battlefield
that would be an F.O. or another sniper/spotter. Second Lieutenants sometimes
have binos but I think in their case it's more of a fashion statement.
I like Plaster's advise on G-suits. If you can get away without using
one, do it. But if you need it, don't try going without it.
I'm about ready to send in my application to the Badlands Training
Facility for the Basic Long Range Precision Rifle course down in Okie land.
Sounds just like what I've been looking for. So I need some advice.
I plan on using an older M700 VS .308 mounted in a Brown Precision
stock. This stuff was aquired from J&G sales in Arizona danged near
twenty years ago. I had it pillar bedded a couple of years ago but it is
yet to be fired. I plan on using a Tasco SS 10x with Leupold base and Redfield
rings. Your plain Jane type. Eventually I'll upgrade to a better mounting
system but this should work for this purpose I would think. Agree? Should
I get some 168 or 175 Gr Federal Gold Medal to use? And where? I've never
seen the 175's advertised for sale anywhere, but Hoplite's and Bob Swanson
have advertised the 168's. Or should I just use some LC M118 Match that
I have? This rifle has a 1 in 12" twist. I would like to track the progress
of something this basic and see how it improves as I upgrade it.
I'm also planning to bring an M1A. I plan on using a Weaver T-10
(duplex) in Weaver rings on A Brookfield mount. The Weaver has 40MOA of
up elevation adjustment. How far will this get me with the above mentioned
ammo? I remember a few months ago about a post one of you guys made about
being a T-10 fan.
The reason for all this strange ring/mount/scope combo stuff is,I
have it on hand. Eventually I'll upgrade. And I'm also in that "Great Race",
so I have been accumulating, other things. Keeps me broke.
So any help here would be appreciated, also any comments on the Badland
Training Facility. Sounds like "just the ticket" for me.
I did this post earlier but it got lost somehow. WDF? Probably missed
something now ,as I (in my mind) was on a literary high at that time. Now
I just awakened after a nap.
Bravo,
John
John <jhugdahl@pressenter.com>
Sarge
Sarge <garryrn@dfn.com>
John: dunno if a 1:12 will work with the 175's. I've got a 1:10,
and it works great. For longer range, the 175 is WAY cool, makes it's money
from about 500 on. You say about that Mike? I used to run nothing but the
168 SMK's, but after being talked into buying some 175 SMK's ONCE, I'll
never go back! As for diesel power plants, word is that there will be three
Ford choices next year. The Cummins, which Ford sold under contract (the
engines, not the design) to Chrysler until they made too much cash on 'em
(always Ford owned it), the Powerstroke (also Ford owned), and rumor has
it Cat (under contract). Strategy: sell the second best to the competition,
until marketing SELLS it's the best, then take it back ;-) I'm headed to
southern Idaho for the weekend, hopefully. Does it qualify me for "hard
core" driving 8 hours one way for a shoot?
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
Semper Fi,
It's hard to say, but the word on the street is that Dodge will eventually
start to use a Mercedes Benz diesel in its pick-up trucks, possibly getting
back into the heavy duty 3-5 tonne commercial truck market.
Just a little piece of automotive trivia for ya'.
Jeff Babineau <sales@targetshootingsupplies.com>
Ghillie Suits - Tactical value is that they have been used extensively
in combat by several nations through out several conflicts. The construction
of them have changed over the years and also depends on the area the sniper
will be operating. As far as taking a long shot, it seems all forgets that
the target is seldom if ever unguarded. That means that the OP will be
about 200 meters from the perimeter with the target about 200 meters or
more from the perimeter. Now if you get within the "school rites of passage"
range of 200 meters of the observer. You have a minimum 600 meter shot.
This is about the max over an unknown distance with a sure first round
hit. Oh I know, it has been done at further ranges but not on a regular
every dam time basis. And that is how you live as a military sniper, you
don't miss. Now do you chose to make a wooley booger as they sell at the
custom shops, only if you are a masochist and really love to abuse your
body and over heat. Build a veil with cape that you can extend over your
weapon scope and remember that your eyes are about 6 inches below the top
of that mess of crap you have piled on your suit. That is the movement
that kills. Guys have come back to the schoo house and talked about how
they use their ghillies after the course, especially during the survaillance
phase of a mission.
Guys go light on the dam suits in color and in the amount of burlap
or whatever. The rule is 30 to 40 percent artifical chewbakka crap and
60 to 70 percent natural. Burlap only looks like burlap, and the ghillie
aids in blending you into the terrain. It will not hide you and it will
not disguise you.
Oh well, follow your heart and do as you must, a quick warning, poisen
ivy/oak/sumac stays in a ghillie for quite sometime. cleaning is a wise
and prudent thing. Cleaning in the wife's new washing machine and dryer
is a death sentence unless she is off defending the US in the far east
as Ken's wife is doing at present. :-)
Rick
Rick <rbowcher@aol.com>
I drive 'em, I sell 'em, I race 'em. Didn't say I was an expert or
'nuttin, I just know a little 'bout them. Nuff said...
If ya' ever want to see some pics of my '65 Plymouth Belvedere, just
let me know. Runs 10.60's @ 124 mph. Not bad for an all steel car.
Cool...finally someone on this site that likes cars as well as guns.
See ya...
Jeff Babineau <sales@targetshootingsupplies.com>
I will be hunting for a Big Block Hemi should that 360 in my Ram
ever goes :)
Ken
Probably get run off here for talking diesels,but we have about 30
Powerstroke powered E-350's where I work. About same amount of T444E
We have 3 Bluebird buses powered by the ISB Cummins. And a bunch
more coming. This is a honey of an engine, but I somewhere have heard the
head of the company contributes to the anti-gunners. So, I'd still prefer
them.
And Izuzu IS going to make the next GM light truck diesel.
Ya Bravo, I remember the first time I saw a 62 Plymouth going down
the dragstrip (in 1962). A 413 with automatic trans. It would be at the
finish line before the 409 Chevs or 406 Fords were halfway down the strip.
How humbling as I was a Chevy guy then. Thanks for the tip. I'll just get
some 168's.
John
.
Yo' guys ketch th' Histo'y Channel tonight wif tales of th' gun?
Did one on sharpshootin'. It was gwine fine until they showed them LA County
Sheriffs. They've got issues.
Good t'have yo' back Rick.
Shet mah mouth!
Now I know why I always handwashed my ghillies - the dammed dye won't
come out of the washer and the lint is there to stay. Nothing like burlap
lint in your gitch - steel wool on my bag would be more pleasant.
Stalking - hey enough time you could stalk miles - do what you can
in the time alloted in your mission parameters.
Stalk req's, put it to paper by drawing a Def Posn and physically
relating it to your job - most tgts are not going to oblige you with a
parade square inspection of their OP's and LP's so you must get through
some the OPFOR's def depth to find tgt's.
Shooting aspect of the post: Kevin, will get you some schedules for
the 1000 yarders. Heck, I've got to try to give 'ol CDC a run for his money,
he's whupped everyone else there. Just hope I don't drop the ball on his
home court LOL. I would make disparaging remarks on the M-4 at range, but
I remember that impossible blankity blank shot Mike made.
Now look what I've done, I've "contaminated" Wild Bill and Kent!
Did I start this??
I'm unsure of the format that it is playing in so it might not work
for everyone who trys it but in my opinion it is worth trying. The actual
address of the site is http://www.hsshf.org/commercial.htm so you can cut
and paste it into your browser, I'm also putting it in under my name so
you can just click on it and hop to it, you choose.
Please forgive me if this comercial has already been covered here,
I haven't been in for a few days and I'm dog tired from all 4 of the hours
of sleep I got last night. I apologize if my laziness has rehashed something
that has already been covered. Though it seems that, to borrow from a famous
line, "rehash is a dish best served cold" in this place.
Now for some meat and patatos. I found a chap with a Remington PSS
non detachable magazine in 300WinMag and I'm considering getting the gun.
It is new in box and he is holding it till I make up my mind whether I
want it or not. His price is in the 750 dollar range. For a regular Sendero
in 300WinMag none of my shops are gonna be able to touch that price. I
have a friend who is a dealer who will be able to get me a Sendero out
the door for about 750 after state sales tax which he will have to charge
me. With this PSS we are trying to treat it as a transfer and if we can
get away without having to pay state sales tax, I'd just give the out of
state dealer my credit card info, I should be able to get the PSS for what
seems to be a deal. The dealer is a friend and he said he won't charge
me for the transfer so all the PSS will cost me in theory is the shipping
charges on top of the cost of the gun itself.
Here is my delima, I have a choice between two Remington 300WinMags
for nearly the same cost to me, either the PSS or the Sendero. My questions
are with regards to the stocks on the rifles, which is more comfortable
in your opinion to shoot with? I have rather large "chewbacca hands" that
might not be to happy with that broader PSS pistol like grip. I like the
rest of the PSS stock as it stands compared to the Sendero stock, seems
to me that the forearm on the PSS stock is a little broader than on the
Sendero but I'd like to have that suspicion backed up by someone who is
certain. I know that the rifles as barreled actions are basically the same
except for finish, that is why I'm asking about the stocks. Which is most
often the more preferred stock for down and dirty target shooting? Without
babling too much more I think it can be seen where my concerns are, it's
basically that stock. Fill me in please, and thanks in advance. I'll entertain
emails or posts here on the roster. This overgrown sissy is gonna get some
much needed shut eye so that he can function like a grown up tomorrow after
having burned the midnight oil a few too many times in succession.
Bravo,
Jeff,
Semper Fi!!
Guns and Trucks. Cannot have an unsecured NorCal in the truck window
gun rack around here. That'll get ya'all a free "cab" ride downtown.
since we are talking cars, Im selling a 1961 Pontiac Catalina- four
door if any one in interested. (how is that gun related you ask? well I
need a scope and and ammo for my m21 so this toy has gotta go!!) I can
email you a picture.
Bravo: will you give me the details on the elevation adjustment for
the Arms #18? Im leaning toward the Mk4 M1 scope now, can you tell me why
you switched from the m1 to the m3? Thanks!
Billy Bob Gooch: I gots me an 1984 6.5 liter diesel Blazer. The 6.2
liter engine crank broke at 276,000 miles. oh well, nothing lasts forever.
Keep on Truckin!! :-)
Rick
Rick <rick.waltemath@hhss.state.ne.us>
Well I got my barrel finally broken in, 532 total rounds fired. As
for cleaning I use Sweets 7.62 solvent and Hoppes #9, then run a wet patch
of CLP to neutralize any solvent that may be lingering in there. Works
great.
Semper Fidelis!!!
Bad Karma
Anyone have some reloading stuff for sale? I'm going to have to get
into it. Even if I just get a single press type. My e-mail address is legit,
feel free to use it.
Semper Fi!
Chuck
Rick: The ARMS mount has an interesting little threaded doober that
acts as an adjustable contact pad between the mount and the stripper clip
guide replacement part (separate from the cinch down bolt). By threading
it "out", you aim the scope closer toward the muzzle. Don't want that?
Screw that part in, and then tension the front pad more, rocking it back.
Bad side: the front pad requires a special spanner to tighten "properly".
If you need it, just pay the postage and I'll send you mine, sometimes
it helps to have a machine shop on tap. Had one made up and fitted to the
part from a large hardened shank screwdriver. Oh, and they're serious about
the torque spec on the bolts. I got the priviledge of seeing the threads
from a main bolt tightened to 105 inchpounds (1 rotation too much on the
setting), looked like a helicoil! They're done that way to keep from hurting
the threads of the reciever. Note: I got the commercial part numbers from
the NSN's for the Loctite directly from Loctite. If you don't use it after
you get things straight, you'll wish you had later! Why I switched from
the M1 to the M3? Fine. I'll be blunt. I was too stupid to listen to Patron
Dave. I did a 100 round experimentation with my M1 on the '25, and found
that the brass dinged the outer 1/2" of the turret, so I went to the M3
because the turret is about 1/2" shorter. Idea? No dinged turret. Well,
as Patron Dave told me, it's gonna happen, just get used to it. It won't
hurt anything. And he was COMPLETELY right. I will admit though that I
really like being able to dial a "7" or "8", and know that I'm gonna hit
that target where I want to. If McMillan pulls through, I'll know about
"10" this weekend.
Karma: had a nifty talk with the guys at Sierra about thermal stability
of powders. Of course, there's only 6 that I'm interested in: 4064, 2520,
IMR / H 4831, N135 and Varget. Results: Best is Varget, tied for 2nd is
N-135 and H4831. Worst was a tie for 4064 and 2520. Mike told me that was
the case :-(
B. Douglas,
Rick and others,
MOPAR = Made Of Parts Already Ruined
The Shooter <kkonen@usa.net>
Boy howdy billy bob, yew sho' brung back gud memries of livin in
Arkcansaw. I miss frammin' 'round the hills huntin fo tha big whittales
y'all have up that way. next time I'm in Ozark Ar. I'll give ya my phone
number so's you can come shoot on muh maw-in-laws ranch northa' Ozark.
if'n we call tha neighbers up fer airspace clearance we kin shoot clear
over to tha turkey houses 1500 yards away!! Damn thats good fun bustin'
turkeys and watchin' the white feathers fly!!
My objective is to setup a rifle of mine in CQB "configuration" and
trying to decide on quick acquisition optics. Currently torn between Trijicon's
"ACOG Reflex" and Leupold's "Leupold/Gilmore LG-35" red-dot sight.
Any suggestions/comments ?
Regads,
Ares
Chuck
On the PSS, I've held a couple of them before and I've shot a 308
version. I just haven't had the chance to shoot a 300WinMag PSS to compare
to a Sendero. That's what I'd really like to do since I would literally
get more out if it than just holding the guns side by side in a shop. The
gun is gonna get heavy pretty quickly because I tend to throw a bipod on
everything I shoot from the prone, I'm also thinking of using Nightforce
for the glass and from what I understand that's a lead pigeon in the scope
community.
Got the word the Springfield is shipping back TOMORROW! That was
QUICK!
Seems like it cleans okey-doke. Doesn't taste too bad either;)
The course of fire was very changed at the last tactical match at
Ft. Benning this past Sunday. It was much more difficult; more challenging;
more tactical-ish than previous. Targets at unknown distances; rounds fired
against a timer; head shots; holding over; holding under... fantastic fun.
Shooting under pressure. Fantastic.
Had an esprit de corp adrenalin buzz that lasted til dang near bedtime.
Jeff A.
Jeff A. <d1k2l3@smyrnacable.net>
Jerry
The ghillie thing is now put to bed. Thanks for all the good advice.
Now I just need the time to make the revisions.
1. Bushnell, Nikon, etc... rangefinders. I have been looking at the
Bushnell 1000 yard one.
2. 308 ammo. I shoot an AR-10 and want something I can shoot with
dependability and without breaking the bank. I have seen both English and
S. African for about $140 per thousand. Any comments or suggestions are
appreciated.
E-Mail or post reply
TIA
Michael
http://www.gsifirearms.com/tactical/st-sbs-tact-main.html
This thing is based on the same action as the Scout and the other
parts are very similar. This one uses a reciever mounted scope.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
IOR is the way to go. I got a set of 7x40's and they are choice.
Much better than the M22's. The Sniper Country PX has a listing of them.
Gooch
Again on the Ghillies, is it something to use every time, NO, is
it something to make as a rite of passage and put away with your Kilt,
only if you are a fool.
Rick
Rick <rbowcher@aol.com>
Portugese Military Brass, Mfg. by FN, Factory Primed,
$242 for 500 of these suckers a good deal? Are these corrosive?
Thanks in advance,
J.T.
CDC, remember some people can't chose their routes - and some that
can are busy doing other thing. In Petawawa they always seemed to 'bump'
sections and platoons just when they were in the middle of a field full
of PI. Nothing like looking out from under your helmet (that your ruck
has just crushed over your nose) and seeing poison ivy dancing over your
nose and hands and ...
Lujan,
Semper Fi,
On ghillies...I'm no expert, but it seems to me that this is just
one more case of "put it in your bag of tricks and use when needed".
On poison Ivy... I have used bleach and it works for me... I gave
the same advice to a friend and he ended up spreading the stuff all up
his arms and torso.. BEWARE...everyone reacts differently. I simply wash
off exposed skin within three to four hours of exposure, and never have
a problem. I guess in a tactical situation, it's just part of the price
to accomplish the mission...it does eventually heal.
SMTC Sniper Rendezvous & train up - My buddy backed out last
minute, anyone looking for a partner? I'm going, no matter what.
Jim Mitchell <james_mitchell@merck.com>
If you mean Hodgdon's "Benchmark" powder, I ran some tests with it
recently.
It should be an outstanding powder for the .223, 6BR, and others
where H4895 is a bit too slow, and/or bulky, as "Benchmark" packs a little
more densely.
'lito
Chuck
What kind of extreme velocity spreads and standard deviations did
you get with the three comparable loads?
CDC,
FWIW Just re-chrono'd the .300 Win Mag this week - Sierra 190 BTHP
with H-1000 load in Federal Gold Medal cases, 215GM primers 3.480" OAL
gave 2905 fps Avg, 34 ES, and 9 SD @ 15' from the muzzle. 77 degrees F.
Had some as low as 20 ES- 8 Sd, but lighter charge for 2880 fps.
Gooch,
I saw the tee-vee show too, interesting Huh? ...............
Chao!
Es on the Varget was in the 30s to low 40s with SDs in the mid to
high teens.
I would love to get 2620 with the 190-SMKs with Benchmark, but may
not be able to... but it's easy to do with Varget, and the ES and SD's
come down with the additional weight, or so I've found on my other (12")
40-XB/R
The 190s will fly with the M3-LR Metric cam fairly well at 2620,
but run a little under the cross hairs from 500 to 800 (an error that I
can live with)... but hit with a lot more "Clank" at 1000 meters.
I'll try the three powders at with 175-SMKs and 190s out to 700 yards,
and pray I get a real winner.
I'm gonna treat this puppy verrry well.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
I have a Parker Hale bipod, steel feet model, that came with an AWP
AI.
It swivels.
There must be a way to lock it so it will not swivel. I do not see
how though. How do you lock it so it is completely stationary? I know tis
is basic but I would rather ask than experiment...
thanks
robert
On the Parker Hale. There's another model they came out with about
2 years ago... it has a hole drilled in the side of the barrel, and a screw
with a knob on it to add drag on the spiggot, so it doesn't wobble.
Works just fine, and saves you enuff to get a Humvee to shoot from!
;))
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
I played with H1000, H4831, IMR7828 and RL22 when I was working up
a 300 win 190 load. I got the least ES spread (teens to low 20s) and best
accuracy (.20) and overall consistant averages with RL22 in both a low
2920 fps and faster 3050 fps load. That's all I am going to use.
Now it's time to put all that SC .45 ACP stuff to use or not to use
as I head down to SMTC for the HG3 course.
ADIOS AMIGOS...
Off the Oehler tape:
77.0 gr - Hi-2824,Lo-2780, E-44, Avg -2794, Sd 18
GM300WM- Hi-2916,Lo-2857, E-59, Avg -2887, Sd 18
Ofta work!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
Tony,
Off the tape:
LAST ENTRY
GM300WM- Hi-2916,Lo-2857, E-59, Avg -2887, Sd 18
NOW OFTA WORK!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
Commercial: very well done and very convincing, even my liberal wife
thought so and it gave her pause.
Training: just to make it clear here, I would be off to SMTC in a
heartbeat. But with a little one at home, I want training near or in my
state. Outfit that advertises in TS is called Surgical Shooting, based
out of eastern Washington State. Any words regarding them? I had hope to
pick up training from them and then go to the seeming Mecca known as SMTC
after the little one has passed her first birthday and my wife gets a real
night's sleep.
Ghillie: gents, I am a real neophyte on this and still somewhat confused.
Read the article in a previous edition of TS but would like to know of
any phamplets, books or a video I can read/watch in my off duty time (work
and home). Have an old one I picked up really cheap to look at for comparison
to what all are talking about.
Thanks all. Going to hide and watch again (besides, baby is hooting
from her room).
Morris
I am in thinking of buying some black hill .308 175 grain ammo. I
want to know what you all think about it from those who have shot it.
Darren
I just bought a bunch of used 30 rd. AR-15 mags for 19.99. I brought
them home, disassembled and bead blasted them. then degreased them and
sprayed some of brownells Teflon/Moly gun finish on them. Black. Did the
floor plates too...they just came out of the oven and they really look
Hoo-Ya!!!! I cleaned up the followers and reassembled them. Damn, they
look brand new. I'm way happy with this product. But I want to wait to
see how the new finish holds up under normal use before I comment further.
Just thought I pass the info along.
RE: rangefinders- no feed back at this time.
Thanks Again,
Michael
Ok, Ok... on the rangefinders...
Of the cheap laser range finders (under $1k) the Bushnell 1000 has
it hands down.
'lito
Thanks for the input, the bushnell 1000 is the one I have been looking
at. (read, Lusting after!) I did want to get some feedback from someone
that had used one in the field before laying down my hard earned dough.(Don't
tell my wife I said that she'll laugh for a week)
Thanks Again, I've been enjoying the info and the BS, offered on
this board.
Michael
Nope! Little Paul :)) I'm a 6'4"+ Scott w/ a quarter Cheyenne thrown
in... no Spanish at all (it's a long story).
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
What do you know!? Even a broke clock is right twice a day! ;-) LOL
Michael
Kush,
Bravo,
Semper Fi!
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
As my recent request for recommendations on which brand of binoculars
to purchase was met only by Mr. Gooch (IORs), I am forced to assume that
all you folks in-the-know must agree...
While the bino' request may not have been sexy enough to generate
any heated debate, I suspect my next request for guidance will leave those
of you with strong convictions in this area either content, due to fellow
support, or ashamed, due to fellow condemnation. Now, to the point:
For all around use at the various sniper training programs offered
throughout this country, if you were allowed to have only one bolt action
rifle from the following list which would it be?
Sako TRG-41
My request for comment is sincere as I am about to make such a commitment,
and while money is not of consequence in this purchase, it would be if
I needed to do it over.
Thank You,
Gonzo
Damn Chuck, It's a small world, My wife is from Brevard County, Titusville....I
was stationed there with FDOF for three years. We can make a hunting trip
to Corbitt Wildlife Management area this hunting season if you want. Just
say the word. Mr. Ryan taught me how to make one mile head shots on pigs
(extreme sarcasm LOL!!) I'm gonna be damn dangerous to the hog population
this year!
Rangefinders - I understand that the choices are Bushnell or Swarovski,
for laser models. But what's the scoop with the "Ranging Rangematic 1000"
Rangefinders sold for about $120 by Cabela's (and others)? Kinda' looks
like an old 110 camera. I think they work by triangulation, or the angle
of convergence between two lenses, so they should be capable of great accuracy
(depending on the precision of manufacture). Somehow, for a buck twenty,
I don't expect much. But it might be enough to confirm a mildot-based range
estimate. Have you tried these, and what do you think?
Daren: differing colors of black? Nothing some desert cammo colors
won't solve! At least that's what I'm gonna do to mine when Geoff gets
done with it.
Gonzo: what's the idea in leaving the M-25 SWS off there? ;-)
Jerry: Patron Mike let me send a few rounds down range from his Nighthawk,
I used my M-118LR clones. I thought he was gonna skin me when he saw that
NATO headstamp. I *real quick* told him it wasn't ball. Think he loves
it?
Cory and North: the only rangefinder I can see myself getting in
the anywhere near future is the Wild. It's an optical coincidence, huge,
heavy, and built like a Bradley. After watching the lasers with night vision,
well, you get the idea. Besides, I already have one of the best range finders
on the planet, thanks to Bruce and Lupita. That is unless I come across
one of those military lasers about the size of a 50 cal ammo can. For what
I have in my pocket, which usually isn't much! As Patron 'Lito says, who
cares how heavy it is? That's for the beer and gear caddy to worry about.
To the guys at the class: finally got the pics back, one odd thing.
Virtually all of you had a beer in your hand when the pics were taken.
Most didn't have labels. What's that mean? Mike, you don't look near as
mean in the pics as real life LOL. Anyone heard from James and how his
knee is going? My best you all, hope there's a class reunion for Sniper
2. Hope you're doing well too Mike.
'Lito: I know you were going to do the Mamba in sand color, do they
have some of those teflon coatings in lighter desert cammo type colors?
The way I see it, if you can do it, maybe I won't screw it up too bad.
Oh, and thinking of that, what's the proper way to paint a fiberglass handguard?
Do I need to primer it, or just spray it? I only want to do this once,
and without messing up any handguards.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
I have since sent it back to Leica. No ETA on the "replacement" model.
Bravo, how do I get some copies of the pics? Let me know...
My next two Jerry Rice rifles are getting close to being done, I
can't wait!
Thanks
Thanks,
Gonzo
Gonzo <ktmp5@hotmail.com>
My opinions:
TRG-42 (not the old TRG-41 which is a nice weather target rifle)
is a good solid off-the-shelf snipr rifle but TRG-42 is always in either
300 Win Mag or 338 Lapua Magnum. If you want a 308 then the rifle is TRG-22.
Price wise these rifles are in the US quite expensive. TRG-42 was chosen
by the Finnish Military in 338 Lapua Magnum as the new sniper rifle. With
AI AW it is the only one in your list that is accepted by a official army.
Robar SR 90 is expensive and you can get it in 308 or 300 Win Mag.
It is very accurate and tough but in the end it is a tricked out Rem 700.
If you need a rifle that is accurate and you can get EASILY spare parts,
then this is one of those. Cheap it is not. And it does not have aremovable
magazine which I like and some others do not.
AI AW is very good, very heavy and VERY expensive. I would like to
own one, but I do not like to pay the price, therefore my rifles are custom
made and still cheaper. These AI rifles are the toughest of this bunch.
Sig Sauer has a black laminated wooden stock, I do not like them
in tactical rifles but they are better than regular wood. Expensive, accurate,
heavy and basically a good nice-weather police sniper rifle. In mud this
rifle will probably cause problems.
Erma SR100, very much good is written about it, but it is already
a collector grade gun that most people won´t shoot because Erma is
in bankcruptcy and no new rifles or spare parts are likely to come out.
This rifle is heavy and complicated so I would not buy this one as a "shooter".
For collecting it is excellent.
Blaser R93 LRS2 is very accurate and fast, so in tactical SHOOTING
matches it will shine. In dragging it in the bushes you will be disappointed
as it is quite delicate. In 6 BR Norma you can outshoot your buddies easily
on 1000 yard competition, so it has its points too.
For rough sniper-duty or training I would pick between TRG-42, Robar
and AI AW. For target shooting only I would probably pick Blaser or Robar.
With 338 LM I would toss a coin between TRG-42 and AI Super Magnum. TRG-42
is lighter and cheaper though. Sig-Sauer and Erma are police and or collector
weapons and I would not buy them.
There are several Rem 700 specialists like Armament Technologies,
IronBrigade Armory, Jerry Rice, McMillan and others, but those (like Robars)
are only Rem 700 face-lifts or copies of Rem 700. Good thing is that you
get the replacement parts easily. A small minus point for some is that
"everybody has a Rem 700". -> It depends on what you want/need and how
much moeny you have.
As you live in the US I would pick a high-end Rem 700 conversion
from a custom gun smith as replaceparts are easily and cheaply available.
Try to shop for a Erma scope mount and you will find out that you have
only one choice and it costs probably as much as decent used car does.
So think about parts and magazine costs too.
Hexa
I'm Matteo from Italy and I'just bought a Remington 700 used in .308.
I know the "Ranging" 1000 very well. I have one down in the basement
somewhere. It's a standard optical triangulation with a 12" base (they
are 14" long).
Daren Yancey...
Bravo...
I was originally going to do it in "sand and spinache"... my favorite
como, but the guy at Brownells said the green and brown were really dark,
so I went with "Black", and will do the "Jammies" instead.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
'lito
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
My guess is that your reticle is still slighly out of focus. Try
this. GO through the standard procedure for focusing the reticle. Then
on a good clear day with no mirage and a relativley close target (around
200 yards or so) focus the objective on a target then without messing further
with the objective, fine tune the reticle using the presence of parralax
as one indicator. I know this sounds ass backwards but if the final goal
is sharp reticle and sharp target then it should work. The way the human
eye accomodates the image of the reticle it sometimes does it faster than
we realise when we are focusing the scope. Also take a break every now
and then. You can screw up your eyes if you stay in the optics too long.
I concur with the recent "which gun should I buy" thread. A lot of
guys in europe wish they could get thier hands on more Remingtons and WInchesters
and guys over here are always wanting Steyrs, Sigs etc. We're funny us
humans. I go to Canada and want to drink funny beer and what are many Canadians
drinking? Budweiser!!
Remingtons are like old small block chevy's. They are reliable, got
a ton of aftermarket parts and work just fine. Are they as sexy as a Accuracy
International or a Sig? I think so. In thier simplicity they are. Hey if
you want a woman who wears a ton of makeup, needs fancy dresses, expensive
accesories etc go for the fancy models. In my book go for the good old
country slut who looks great barefoot, in cut offs and a t-shirt!!! Buy
Remington or a derivative therein!!:-) (Now thats an obtuse chain of thought
huh?)
I better get out of here.
Out here
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
What is the thinking about the Russian Moisin Nagant in 7.62x54R?
I have 2 with barrels that are beyond hope. The folks at Lilja Precision
Rifle Barrels can make the basic barrel and know a gunsmith who can make
the chamber.
Is is worth the $500 investment? Is the MN a good, strong action
for a precision rifle? Is the 7.62x54R up to the job?
Any and all thoughts, comments, and suggestions are welcome.
Gregor Switca
Jerry
Jerry
You will probably find the vast majority of the folks here will reccomend
you go with a Remington 700 (or Win 70 if you can find a good one).
Gregor,
With a set of Redding dies, some GOOD components, and a quality barrel
such of the one you mentioned yes you should be able to get very good accuracy
and down range power. A VASTLY better choice than the Dragunov-ski but
we won't go there today will we folks...........
Hexa,
Welcome back! Nice to have some good European commentary on rifles
merits again.
back to the reloading bench for some finer tuning.
Chao!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
On rifles, stick with a Remington. You can pay more and get less.
Once you reach a certain level its the trigger finger that counts anyway.
You can not buy shooting ability.
Bravo, I let you shoot my Nighthawk? I must of been sun stroked.
You shot reloads, not mine through it? I needed medical aide. Jerry is
righ, the Nighthawk is my favorite. I wish I had the money to have several
but that can on the end is not cheap. I look at it this way. Would I rather
buy three bbls for one rifle or one Nighthawk assembly. I save the Nighthawk
for the real world and only shoot 100 rounds a month through it. The other
rifles get beat up with the work load. When the real shooting happens I
have the Nighhawk. If a man can see it he can hit it with the Nighthawk.
On ammo 175's rule in 308. A Rice rifle will beat up on all that fancy
Sako, Acc Int. stuff anyday. It is like Gooch said about beer. Guys always
want what they dont have. I remember when a guy brought a Blaser Sniper
rifle(?) to a class, all excited and then hurt when I said I would stick
to Remington. YOU CAN NOT BUY SHOOTING ABILITY. The rifle shot OK, he did
not.
On 300 Win., try RL22 powder and the 190's. They fly very well.
On Molly, it sucks!
On washing a Ghillie, I will be stalking to the local Wash Mat next
time and running like heck after. Although, since I started sewing the
burlap on it does not fall off as fast. Listen to Rick B. and Gooch on
this and tie in more natural than burlap.
Some of you asked for a report on the new US Optics 10X scope. It
track perfectly and looks like a best buy for under a grand. The one I
have has 130 moa of adjustment. Looks like they took a ST 96 body and put
the SN6 parts and adjustable objective in it. I checked with US Optics
on the internals because the ST96 was a very low grade scope for US Optics
and did the early ones did not track very well. They said the threw out
the ST96 adjustments long ago and this one has the same insides as the
SN6. On this same subject US Optics has the contract to repair all the
Unertal scopes for the Marines. They may be bringing out a USMC Unertal
Sniper Scope for general public sales. If this happens it will be a first.
Off to Disneyland.
Undude/Mike
Thanks to all of you who have taken the time to answer my question
as to which rifle to purchase. I will now look at prices and availability
times so as to make a final decision. I promise that following my purchase
I will provide you with a review of my new rifle so that other novices,
such as myself, gain the real-world knowledge of those who (now) know.
Gonzo
P.S. Not to start anything but, any recommendations for a Mil-dot
scope capable out to 1000 yards for this new rifle? :)
Gonzo
Gonzo: Sorry for the confusing post. CDC & Lito have a Winchester,
think it's called the HBR (isn't it?), and it worked rather well. Ask CDC
how he did at the school, or state championship with it. As I understand
it, the Stealth is virtually identical in all but color. Stepping up to
WAY better than I can shoot, for me, would be the custom Rems, by either
Geoff Corn or Jerry Rice (or, for that matter, George Gardner). For me
personally it would be a HARD choice. Jerry had that really cool "sound
redirection" device (I get the term right Michael?) but I've got a great
relationship with Geoff (and Geoff builds one HECK of a fine rifle too!).
Of course, for those of us who are lazy and can't stand having to MANUALLY
operate a bolt, the gas gun is a very viable option! Quit laughing Kent.
I have complete confidence in mine, and it shoots rather well, even with
a twisted crank like me behind it (well under 1/2 MOA). Basically, I'm
saying the same thing CDC / Wild Bill / Kent are saying. I'd get the Winchester
and shoot it 'till the barrel went. Hey, the strategy worked well for my
NM-M1A! Scopes? Lupita (Leupold) is always a great choice!
Jerry: Mike never let me out of "skull wonking" distance, and I never
tried to move it ;-) Hey, I know which end of Mike is dangerous! ALL of
'em!
Mike: I'm pretty sure it was your Nighthawk, we (you, me, and Michael)
stalked in the pre-day to hit what Bill Murray called the VC: "varmint
cong". Well, almost. How about "mobile, self resetting targets"? No reloads
though, 175SMK's, 42.0 gr AA2520, and virgin primed brass, that wonderful
stuff that had the turned heads, annealled, and drilled flash holes. Oh,
what wonderful brass! Now there's a bounty on you though: I'll bring someone
some Bravo Brew if they can get me a real pic of Mike wearing Mickey ears
;-) Have a great time out there.
Anticipation is mounting. Geoff called today and said the CAR is
a week or two at the most out. Seems the "M-4 Dissipator" was an experimental
Bushmaster barrel (A-1 contour with a pad for the 16", dissipator type),
no more to be had. So Geoff turned an ultralight contour down from a Douglas
XX premium airgauged. YEEE HAAW. CQB, here I come!
Cory,
Jeff,
Semper Fi,
Well, back from vacation and I had a little care package from Kevin
at U.S. Tactical Supply. I had a little modification on my large ALICE
pack and, boy did Kevin and his crew do a great job.
Turnaround time was good, and the work was excellent. If you want
to modify any of your existing gear, Check them out. I'm going on a little
walkabout in the woods this weekend, I'll do a little field testing on
the pack and do a little post on it later.
Charles, thanks for the invite, I just may take you up on that offer.
Semper Fi Brothers! ( and sisters for Maj. Kim )
Kush out
Kush...
Ken, I don't get no respect!!
'lito
Kush: What did you have done? I've been threatening to have the standard
pop-snaps and tab stuff on the pockets taken off and fastex buckles put
on. That's part of the reason I still use my medium instead of the large,
as it doesn't have those stinkin' tab deals. Real Deal James was right
(par) about the H-suspenders being much more comfortable, just had mine
worked over to that. Now I can carry more gear than I want or need to ;-)
Chuck: "Guns or wife?" Ask me a tough one.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
I would like to test some of the new Black Hills ammo, does anyone
know if they have started production? If so, where can I get some, none
of my local dealers carry it.
Another question, does anybody have machining specifications for
a Picatinney rail? I am probably going to have a machinst friend make a
base for me for the Sako. The action is so long that the standard rings
do not allow eye relief to be moved.
Thanks.
The Shooter <kkonen@usa.net>
Here is a list of all the mods to my pack.
-New pack straps
All in all reak kick ass work.
To Bravo, I love the fastec buckles, so much easier than the snap-flap
garbage on the G.I. issue stuff has. Those things were the bane of my existance
after many an amphib package at 3rd Recon, salt water would eat those things
up.
To Gun slut ( aka 'Lito ), Including inital contact of U.S. Tac Supply,
4 volleys of E-mail between myself and Kevin Swanson, the pack getting
there, the modifications, and the pack reaching the front door of my house,
1 month, 3 days. I almost shit my self when 2 weeks after the pack arrived,
Kevin E-mailed me that the pack was going to be shipped.
Now, as a diehard Eagle Industries fan, I would definately consider
them for gear needs in the future.
Rock on Dudes,
Kush out
After careful reviewing of 'Lito's pictures... the term 'Gun Slut'
is most appropriately assigned to Pablito, aka 'Lito.
The dude has more projects going on than most folks will have in
their lifetime... and they all look good.
Not sure how the social workers are going to take this - but think
-his kid is exposed to this stuff too...oh to think of the damage they
will have to repair.....
(Keep the legacy alive dude ....)
ken :)
Ken <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Forest/9204/rifle/M39UNERT.JPG
IF you don't know how to do the cut-paste thing, you can click on
my name at the bottom of the post to see the picture.
I dont't know how this accuracy stacks up against some of these wonder
rifles, but it is good enough for me. I am going to try it at 1000 yards
someday.
The other rifle that I cobbled together shoots just as well and has
a russian PU scope on it.
Don't believe every thing you read about the Mauser either.
Steve
<nato@bright.net>
How do you find a good Winchester M70... Put on a blindfold, and
ask the clerk for ANY M70/HBV/Stealth...
How do you find a good Rem M700-PSS... ask the clerk if you can take
all of them to the range, and keep one good one "if you can find it" ;))
'lito ;)
Gunslut <condor@mags.net>
Well, this weekend I fully intend on buying the Redding Competition
seating die. It's $60 through Midway, but if it settles my runout delema
I'll be a happy camper.
Semper Fi my brothers!
Bad Karma
Do you measure your Varget by weight or volume?
Bad Karma
New person to the roster.
Pac-nor, Schneider, Lilja, Hart, are all super barrels when correctly
installed. I use a OEM $10 tube ;-(
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 03:18:49 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.213.188)
FALs and Minis:
Colatown, SC, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 03:38:40 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.31.204.125)
Boltster dude: I can't speak for the Brit L1A1, since I've never
had one, but there ARE very SUBTLE differences between the StG, L1A1, C1,
R1, etc. Terry is right on, from what I was told. If you talk to Mark Graham
at Arizona Response Systems (which I would do, even if you don't buy from
him, he's a WORLD of knowlege on that rifle!) the best of breed seems to
be the StG's put together on a good receiver. Don't go keeping that bolt
gun for a battle rifle, after all, you can manipulate the bolt on a bolt
gun as quick as you want ;-)
Don't let those guys talk you out of your guinsu knife material
this time.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the state next door to where handgunners will have to be fingerprinted,
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 03:48:09 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.180.85.235)
I purchased a savage 110 in 30-06 as a varmint rifle about a year
ago with a synthetic stock as a varmint rifle. I am interested in rebarrelling
it with a heavy barrel in 30-06. Is this economically feasible or should
I just go buy the 110fp? I have already done the trigger job on the 110
and have an excellent recoil pad on the stock so I would prefer to rebarrel.
I really only need about 1 MOA, so I am not looking for a top of the line
heavy barrel. Can anyone tell me where I can get this done and about what
it will cost me? I would appreciate it.
Will <former33t@email.msn.com>
Ft Bragg, NC, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 04:25:38 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.30.152.206)
Mini 14's; not quite as bad as some say here or as good as most
of us would like. The clip is indeed slow. IT's no better physically but
much more reliable to feed than a M-16 when it's seated ;in place. That
gas system is plenty reliable and good as anything else as far as shooting
all day or next month without cleaning if need be. That bolt doesn't break
but the rear sight on a Ranch Rifle is indeed a bit flimsy. It is now...
a "Ghost ring" and works but just as a sub. in case the scope or Aimpoint
fails. The scope mount (RR) is as good or better than most especially that
flat top variant Colt or Bush or it's crappy handle made for god knows
what except to mount that sorry ass sight. The weight is much more portable
than the Colt as far as effeciency goes. Unless you want to use that piece
of sewer pipe they call a collapsable. IT (Mini-14) doesn't bend in the
middle, flop around or break as often as M-16's do. The standard Mini 14
is unsuitable as a place to mount a scope as are most rifles like the M-14
M-1 M-1 Carbine and BAR AK-47 and variants or LAR's for that matter. The
safety is right there where you can feel it if you screw up and it is positive
as the M-14 or anything else.. It's easy to take down and doesn't have
any little springs or screws that fall out and get lost.
The trigger group is easy to get too and clean disassemble or whatever
you want.
IT doesn't dig a hole in your back when you carry it and you can
get down in the grass as opposed to using the hand guard for rear pod.
The Ranch Rifle is not accurate as some if you go by bench standards but
we just had one down here that had been customized with a new barrel and
would shoot with anything (auto) you have. We dumped it because it was
a brother to Ken's towed. I have no use for heavy guns like that but it
would do 1/4" all day. The receiver had standard Weaver bases and that's
reasonable to expect to have to drill and tap a semi auto. The trigger
is superior in a lot of ways to the M-16's and others like G-3s or ....
The Mini needs custom work for accuracy as do most of your 700 Remingtons
but it's not as good as I would like or as bad as most of you say. I've
owned and shot many AR-s and Mini's and it's a matter of taste. I've never
been overwhelmed with the Mini or the AR either. But that's the truth as
I know it. I wouldn't equip my army with one probably but you could do
worse. I wouldn't use a M-16 either.
Seals? I dunno, but I doubt if they used them much cause SEALS like
to be cool above all else and they ain't cool these days. Wasn't too many
years ago a fella took the SOF match with one (14)I believe it was stock
except for the barrel. Bill Ruger is a machinist not a gun smith and just
gets lucky and finds something he can copy once in a while. If he'd put
a barrel on it you'd all be shooting one probably. Tom's right they don't
break very often but often they are chosen by those not too much in the
know about what is cool at the moment. They ain't cool but they won't fail
you. Wish I could say that about a AR. Been there and done that somewhat
or I'd not say anything. I have one because they are light, and usable
in any kind of weather anywhere and don't break and jam like my AR's did.
Mine might be exceptional but it will put em all in a foot circle at 500
with a Aimpoint sight and an old blind man shooting it or at least it did.
I've seen worse.
I'm not scolding you here men just adding a little opinion. I don't
know how many have actually shot them and how many are repeating gun show
or
range gossip but that's my story and I'm stickin to it.
B.Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 04:37:49 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
As an Interested 3rd party, I have to say a few words on lapping
Badger rings.
If your Badger rings really need lapping that bad, I would be very
worried about the Action.
Keep it dry and in the X
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 05:04:21 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.193.53)
With regards to the semi auto 308. About a year i researched most
of the available semi 308's and came to the conclusion that the G3 copies
are worth the money.
bryan <bherman699@aol.com>
CA, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 05:50:17 (ZULU) (your host
address: 152.163.201.196)
Greetings!!
Is that EVER a consideration when looking at these things? what
are hand to hand tactics in case of weapon mail function etc??
Rick <rick.waltemath@hhss.state.ne.us>
Omaha, NE, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 17:55:12 (ZULU) (your
host address: 164.119.13.15)
Rick: in my case, the flash supressor is a base for the front sight.
On a M-14 / M-21 / M-25 / M1A etc, the front sight mounts to the flash
supressor (or for the new Kali legal rifles, muzzle brake), which in turn
is secured to the barrel via splines and a castle nut. Or in my case, hydraulic
pressure ;-) Do it woik? Sure. There's a reason that you don't have a slit
on the bottom though, and when the weather around here is REALLY dry, it
blows dust bad. Doesn't if there's hardly any vegitation about though.
The chi-com rifles were brought in for a while with just a band for the
front sight, but I doubt they were target grade! I'm not interested in
taking mine off either, it shoots better than I can. Welcome aboard, realize
though the roach motel statement was real.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as the, USA - Wednesday, August
02, 2000 at 18:10:33 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
Question on Wildcat Handloads:
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Iselin, NJ, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 18:49:39 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.97.88.102)
To all Lupita fans out there,
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , ny, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 18:54:07 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.146)
Kush: my mark 4 M3 also has the round dots.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
whatever, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 19:15:47 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.9.223.170)
Tony
You may want to check with the smith who built it. I know on the
standard 6.5x06 you have to be careful which case you use 25-06 or 270
because one will cause a lot of pressure for you. As i remember the best
case was a 280 Remington necked down, that way there is a "Ring" to seat
against so the case froms right. Why such a short barrel for this caliber??
Other than ease of hunting I suppose.
Pat <mrbullet@hotmail.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 19:24:13 (ZULU) (your host address:
207.41.18.130)
Pat thanks for the feedback. I've read where the 270 shouldn't be
used with forming the 6.5/06. I believe that was in Nosler's or Speer's
guide. They recommended 30/06 necked down or 25/06 expanded, however this
was for the standard 6.5/06 or 6.5x55. I didn't hear of anything on 280.
Not much is mentioned in any of my manuals on 40 degree ackley cases either.
I hope my gunsmith has some insight or maybe even Hart. I don't really
have a lot of data on any of the older 6.5x52, 6.5x54 or 6.5x57 euro cartridges
so I went with the 6.5/06 ackley for now. Dies were not difficult to get.
Iselin, NJ, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 20:24:00 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.97.88.102)
Tony,
A factory .270 case is slightly longer than the factory .25-06 or
.30-06 case. In other words, a .270 case would have to be trimmed. The
.280 case also is the same overall length as the .270. Also the body is
a little longer than the .270. It would also have to be trimmed. This would
be to avoid jamming the neck into the throat of the barrel.
Hope this helps.
John
John <jhugdahl@pressenter.com>
WI, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 20:55:35 (ZULU) (your host
address: 209.100.170.187)
Kush...
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
Tradin' my guns for SCUBA stuff... so I can get to work :((, USA -
Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 22:14:45 (ZULU) (your host address: 24.188.89.243)
Does anyone know where to find a Winchester Laredo in either 7mm
RM or .300 WM? Without BOSS would be nice.
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 23:21:19 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.80)
Rick; I do recommend bayonet provisions on any AR style weapon.
B.Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 23:33:51 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Bravo'; I took the extreme test today, They gave me a M-16 with
no bayonet and showed me motions pics of Serbs charging at me in 3D with
G-3's. I survived so they sent me home and said I was OK!
B.Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 23:36:56 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
CDC: we're all looking for a 300 win mag in a "no boss" situation
;-)
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
reno and the "rule of law". What a farce, USA - Wednesday, August 02,
2000 at 23:41:37 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.162)
B. Rogers: tell me more! Serbs with G-3's? Pop ups or some kind
of new thing?
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
eno in charge of the "just-us department". oxymoron, USA - Wednesday,
August 02, 2000 at 23:45:09 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.162)
Hey everyone! I've been reading here for a while but haven't made
any noise yet...so here I go.
jtnaylor <jtnaylor@flash.net>
Little Rock, AR, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 00:15:57 (ZULU)
(your host address: 208.15.98.242)
Lito,
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , ny, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 01:21:45 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.113)
jtnaylor; What's your budget for this project?
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 01:22:24 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.74)
Kush...
Not by a long shot! Just little puddles of useless information.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 01:29:53 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
HEEEEEELLLLLLPPPPP!!!
Nathan
Nathan Bendel <nbendel@yahoo.com>
Taft, CA, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 02:10:21 (ZULU) (your
host address: 209.165.36.28)
Terry (TwoShoes)
Bill our Brit friend has two of the DSA lightwieghts, and you just
gotta shoot one this weekend.
As light as an AR, bigger bullet ( Im a big and accurate fan)
and incredibly accurate. Ask him to see it when you go.
Mike
Granbury
Mike McDonald <appspec1@aol.com>
Tx, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 02:37:40 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.232.237.103)
Nathan,
You can paint a shiny barrel with a spray can of muffler paint available
at any auto parts store for under $4. Radiates heat big time and really
adds class.
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 03:23:06 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.20)
Mike,
didn't know that, will definitely try one, just finished my special
recipe's for the weekend.
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 03:30:14 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.204.191)
This is a very informative site of snipers in conflict and courage
under fire SNIPERS RULE!
CHRISTIAN ALBERT <PsychomanMT@aol.com>
Belgrade, MT, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 03:38:07 (ZULU) (your
host address: 205.188.198.59)
Nathan.
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 04:16:42 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.179)
JT Wrote. "I just want to be able to shoot all ranges up to 1000
yards and hit whatever I want to."
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 04:26:50 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.179)
CDC...We have one Laredo in Stock in 7mm mag. It has no BOSS on
it. Call us at 850-769-4495. Ask for Zack or Mark. I'm in the store on
Sundays from 1200 to 1800. Give us a call.
Cory <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
FLA, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 04:52:46 (ZULU) (your host
address: 158.252.73.69)
BRodgers
Rick <rick.waltemath@hhss.state.ne.us>
OMaha, Nebraska, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 05:27:37 (ZULU)
(your host address: 168.191.171.36)
B.Rogers
Rick <rick.waltemath@hhss.state.ne.us>
Omaha, Nebraska, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 05:32:27 (ZULU)
(your host address: 168.191.171.36)
All,
Bad Karma <jwhiteII56@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 07:31:59 (ZULU) (your host address:
206.170.184.222)
Any of youz guys been to Blackwater?... What are your opinions?
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 11:27:21 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Bravo; to heck with the show it's was the nurses I survived for!
JT; Repeat after me L-E-U-P-O-L-D FourX14 Tactical. ON .308 MODEL
700 Remington. PSS OR VS/VSS/VSSF . wid da 40MM tubeeeee! Now we are at
1000 yards and we hit "just about" everything we shoot at. 6mm will not
cut it at that distance unless you put it in a wildcat case and burn yo
barrel hot. USE the Mil dot model unless there is a compelling reason not
too. Now Lito, you hold the gun on me so I can recite the TASCO recommendatation
to this guy!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 12:47:05 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
OK, 'yote bate...
The guns on you... tell him about Taskos.
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 14:00:31 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Bill B:
Bruce <Bruce@mannlawfirm.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 15:44:59 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.16.162.10)
JT,
Listen to "Yote Bait" even though he's a died in the wool varmint
hunter and a 6MM is a great varmint round its not a good 1000yd round unless
you have a custom rifle built with the fast twist to shoot the 107grVLD
bullets. The 308 is hard to beat. I am playing with the 6.5s but both my
260s are showing signs of being hard on barrels. If you want to do tactical
shooting your barrels will get hot and heat kills the small bores twice
as fast. The 308 is much more forgiving when you have to abuse it. Just
my 2cents worth.
Pat <mrbullet@hoatmail.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 16:17:48 (ZULU) (your host address:
207.41.18.130)
BAD KARMA,
The 165's are a better round for your intended use, they also are
a much better barrier round.
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 17:54:31 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.195.36)
Gentlemen,
I am still rather new here and have searched the archives , but
cannot find the information I am looking for. Does anybody out there have
any thoughts or experiences (positive or negative) with Dakota rifles?
I am particularly interested in the Long Range Hunter (model 97) in .308
Win. The Longbow would be nice, but I just don't have 5 large to spend
on a rifle at this point. Does H&S or AICS (or any other stock manufacturer)make
a stock that fits this weapon? Thanks for your time and responses.
Chase Temple <istu9946@selu.edu>
Hammond, LA., USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 18:36:34 (ZULU) (your
host address: 208.231.101.76)
I was wondering if you gun gurus could help me out with this problem.
I need the max ranges, not max effective but total max ranges, for the
.308, .300 WM and .50 BMG. The reason is my club doesn't allow the .50
because of the range. I just wanted to get some data and hopefully fight
this and get it to be used there. Any help would be appreciated. Also any
info on ranges for a ricochet would be helpful too. I know there are alot
of variables in a ricochet but maybe someone out there has some info on
it. Thanks.
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 20:53:15 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.197.64)
Rob: total ranges on cartridges for THAT purpose? Don't think so.
I read somewhere that the max range on M1 (30-06) ball ammo was 2.5 miles.
Do the physics though, coefficients of aerial friction (BC) and momentum.
The 50 should go MUCH farther than anything else that I know of. That's
for physical max range, but I would also consider the arguement valid for
max effective range (just shorter obviously).
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000
at 22:04:07 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
Hey folks, need some input:
rapid city, sd, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 22:37:29 (ZULU)
(your host address: 205.188.193.186)
Bad Karma, Correction to my earlier post.
Two Shoes (Terry) <tls8323@cs.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 23:16:47 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.199.27)
Rob...
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 00:15:33 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Warning: non-shooting related post
Need I say that everyone (well, virtually anyway) is invited to
stop by for some?
Brew Master Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
look out Ed Koch, I'm gaining fast!, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000
at 00:44:14 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.176)
Yep, listen to the Bullet man on the 6mm. I'd have to agree you
got to do the voo-doo to get the 6mm to 1000 or so but,, Mini Yars ago
I had an old .244 (6mm for those in Rio Linda) Remington with a big long
Unertl that I used to bruise ego's on a Military range bout 500 was all
I think. But it was the scope that made em cringe (they didn't have any).
the Bullets were only 85 grain. Bullet man is right, the standard 6mm loading
won't get there and do the job. He's so right about the barrels too (thars
worse than 6mms on barrels though).
Bravo; free beer! ummmmm! I died already...knock knock knockin on
heaven's dooR!
EVEN with this displaced TEXAN holding a gun on me I can't recommend
that TASCO. Go ahead and kill me!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 01:30:01 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Mark, Kent (Badger Rings):
I could probably have mounted the scope and ran with it. With mounting
your rings on:
1. my rem 700 long action,
2. ontop of a DD Ross rail mount
3. all of that sitting in an A2 stock cranked down @65 inch pounds...........
will there be a slight shift...... prrroobbbably...there's too many things
comming into play.
But... let me tell ya... without lapping.. the misalignment was
maybe half the thickness of a fingernail - if that much. I did this lap
job to get the experience, and to get rid of that half-a-fingernail's misalignment...
how's that for being anal. I'm not a trained gunsmith - but alot of this
stuff just makes plain good sense.
Nokesvillle, Va, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 03:06:07 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
Bravo, FREE BEER? ROAD TRIP! Will bring my on stein.
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 03:07:01 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.56.116)
Continuing: Badgers...
Nokesville, VA, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 03:10:15 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
We'll..I'm off to Germany tomorrow for my first European vacation...staying
in a little town called Coburg (2 hrs East of Frankfurt). I'm going to
sample the local brew, watch the pretty girls and think NOT ONCE about
work. Since this is a "wife" sponsored trip to visit the in-laws, I have
guarantees of better than best behavior...meaning I get time for historic
sites, pubs, and just wandering about the woods and such. Now if I can
only find a 1000 meter range and some friendly Germans that want to show
me their rifles...
gone_fishin', and drinkin', in Germany - Friday, August 04, 2000 at
03:10:43 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.20.190.1)
JR,
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 03:38:12 (ZULU)
(your host address: 205.188.196.54)
Bolt (and virtually ALL you guys): put off the road trip until I
get this thing finished, and then be amazed. 4 or 5 kegs ON TAP (simultaneous!),
and another 4 to 5 kegs in bottles. I've got steins a-plenty, but make
yourself
most comfortable. Now if I can get a "quantity discount" on malt and hops....
Sniper Country official beer?
"I love you guys!" ;-)
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
wonder if Sam Adams started this way?, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000
at 04:24:06 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.150)
Hey guys,
it looks like it will be another month before I get this thing purchased.
1 shot...1 plate.
J.T.
Little Rock, AR, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 04:34:35 (ZULU) (your
host address: 208.15.98.97)
jtnaylor: You can't have a sniper rifle until after you get furniture?
A woman's sense of priorities is incomprehensible.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 11:57:13 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.6)
Bravo:
What to with the hands...... well... let's see....stroking a barrel,
reloading, press, or lapping bar is a whole lot easier to explain than..............
According to the Huntress .... my hand can fit just fine around
a garden hoe, rake, or a paint brush.....
What's the best deals that we're finding these days on Federal Match
Ammo. Called up Black Hills, they're backlogged for quite awhile
on the .308 and .223 stuff. 300 WinMag is available.
Anyone find it cheaper.... ??....Yeah... Yeah... I oughta setup
the reloading press and get to makin' my own...and probably will - but
not for now.
Nokesville, Va, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 11:57:32 (ZULU) (your
host address: 4.3.240.234)
Wanted: information on Accuracy Internation US import history.
..., AR, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 13:16:56 (ZULU) (your host
address: 152.163.207.183)
Ken, Yup, the best price I found anywhere for Federal GM 168gr was
through Hoplite for $324.00. I actually ordered a case last week and got
in a couple of days. It arrived all in one box, one lot number and it shoots
great as usual. This is the second case that I ordered from them and it
all works great.
Michael Sheehan <mike1000@pacbell.net>
San Jose, CA, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 15:43:41 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.192.208.6)
JR, get the Mildots. Once you have had dots you'll never go back.
MikeMiller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 16:15:04 (ZULU) (your host
address: 152.163.213.201)
Quick poll:
Morris <mparrish@oz.net>
Seattle Metro, WA, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 16:52:40 (ZULU)
(your host address: 216.39.131.92)
To the gang'
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , ny, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 17:46:18 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.104)
Ken: yeah, the wait is getting to me. Your suggestions sound too
much like work though. If I were to work in the yard, I'd start with a
frontloader, followed by a backhoe, then a drum of homebrew napalm.
Brew Master Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
trying to make room for a 6th keg, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at
17:46:59 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
Bravo,
I think that Mike is talking about their new "ST-10." It has a 30mm
tube and a 44mm objective and it is only 12.2" long. All this and it retails
for $795! I would add the adjustable objective for another $299 definitely
and maybe the lit reticle another $185 if I had the spare $$. But for $995
it is a rocking scope! I even think that they have them sitting on the
shelf ready to go. And no, as you know I don't work for them! I just like
their stuff and use it!
Needing a bravo brew!, CA, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 17:58:19
(ZULU) (your host address: 63.192.208.6)
oops! The adjustable objective is only another $200 not $299.
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
San Jose, CA, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 17:59:53 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.192.208.6)
Mike:
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Iselin, NJ, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 18:09:42 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.97.88.102)
Rifle Weight:
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
Nokesville, V, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 18:33:24 (ZULU) (your
host address: 4.3.240.234)
Hey Guys,
I have a gun-maintenance question and I'm kind of FREAKING OUT about
it. I've been doing the break-in procedure for a while now. I'd heard some
mixed reactions about the JB bore compound so I called up the guys at K&P
and got their input. They said it's fine, just be sure to use a good de-greaser
in the bore afterward to get rid of any reamining crud. They said if you
don't tiny bits will remain and I think we all realize that that's not
a good situation. So, after my first 50 rounds I did the usual break-in
cleaning procedures. I JB'd it and then used Tetra "Action Blaster" to
get all the crap out, then 4 dry patches, then 2 patches soaked with Kroil
and put 'er away. This was about 3 weeks ago. Well yesterday I went to
the range. I went to run a couple dry patches through to get the Kroil
out before firing. Well, it came out with a few faint reddish-brown streaks
on it. Is this rust, did I totally f**k up my gun or is this just Kroil-JB
residue? I don't think I could possibly pamper this gun any more (I clean
after every use...Shooters' Choice, dry, Sweet's til no more green, dry
with at least 5 patches, Shooters', dry, Kroil...then put in Pelican case
with dessicant pack!) I've been following all your guys advice to a "T".
Someone please help me, I really hope I didn't ruin my new baby!!
Thanks
Rich S. <RS1441@aol.com>
Baltimore, MD, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 18:48:19 (ZULU) (your
host address: 152.163.197.46)
Ken, I too had a 20 pound pig, aka at various times as "Babe" (after
the cute pig), "The Girl" and "Gun from Hell". Horrible balance. Finally
had smith cut barrel to 22". Now a much more manageable 14.5 pounds without
sling or lead. Basically a one hole benchrest rifle now that just happens
to shoot .308. Mag still not feeding smoothly though.
Clearwater, FL, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 18:50:38 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.92.205.98)
Ken: 19.5 lbs is nothing. Wait until you get that .408 (25 - 30
maybe). If you feel it's too light you can carry my 500 rds of 300 win
ammo and all the team gear in addition to your 308 ammo. I'll carry the
CAR 15 with an extra mag.
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Iselin, NJ, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 18:56:03 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.97.88.100)
Recently I was browsing through a 5.0 Mustang magazine and I found
an article talking about Les Baer. The guy likes Stangs(no jokes please,
heard thams all thanks), he likes them enough that he has 5 of them that
were mentioned in the article. One is a newer Saleen S351R which runs about
540HP if it has the newest engine mods. He has two 89-93 body style cars
that he drag races, one is a nitrous car and the other is a blown car.
Then the other stand out car is a prostreet car that he is hoping will
run in the 7.5-8.0 second arena in the 1/4mile.
B. Douglas <uglygun@lightspeed.net>
Cowpie, Ca, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 19:11:01 (ZULU) (your
host address: 209.162.15.15)
Rob
I need some direction on the lowly "crimp". I have never used a
crimp except for the old thutty, thutty. (used a, ah, Lee factory crimp
die for that) Now I,m starting to load for .223's and .308,s for semiautos.
Which method should I use? Taper,Lee, none? Any insights on this would
be greatly appreciated. (couldn't find anything in the Hot Tips)
WI, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 19:20:05 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.100.170.170)
I use Lee crimp die for .223 but don't crimp .308 (even for semi-auto).
Co-worker doesn't crimp .308 for his M1A either
Andrew <mysig@fast.net>
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 21:41:22 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.92.7.135)
Mike Miller, stop those BLASPHEMOUS statements about LAPPING. You
must lap ALL rings, it is a right of passage and an initiation all at the
same time! Of course lapping Max50's could be considered as torture also!
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 22:06:48 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.184.143.55)
This is not a ST96 scope! It is something new. It has a 30mm tube,
44mm adjustable objective and the same optics as the SN6. No lit reticle
option is available. It has a glass etched reticle that is the same as
the one on the ST96, but the internals are the new for 2000 SN series up
graded ones. This is a great deal on a scope for a grand. US Optics has
decided to give Leupold a run for the money.
MikeMiller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 22:16:50 (ZULU) (your host
address: 205.188.197.53)
John: I use the Redding taper crimp for my M-25 loads, but it's
to remove a ever so slight bell in the case mouth from the mandril sizer,
not to crimp per se.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
being overwhelmed by people with no idea of our government system,
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 22:42:36 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
TonyY: weight..
1. lapping... aww come on ... now I've heard you say that if doing
a certain trick makes you feel better - then you will probably shoot better
(excluding intoxicants of course). Well I felt great after lapping those
rings... Hell - watch this thing shoot a group as large as a garbage can
lid after all that work.
10% = you had enough sense to build or have built a quality rifle
that won't warp, wiggle, jiggle, or bend.
The other 90% is you pointing it @ the target ... Remember - I've
seen you shoot too...
Nokesville, Va, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 22:57:45 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
Does anyone ('lito?) know the rate of twist for a .308 hbv? And
what's ideal for a .308 175 SMK at 2700 fps? I think I found a hell of
a deal on a Krieger and don't want to mess up.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 23:06:31 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.237.112)
Heavy Weight Rifle:
Kevin R. Mussack <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 23:36:02
(ZULU) (your host address: 205.188.192.32)
CDC - if you are referring to M-70 HBV rifles, I have two of them.
The earlier hanging tag said it had a 1-12 twist, and the later one said
1-10 twist, so I guess it depends on when it was made. I haven't counted
the turns personally, so I can't say other than what the hanging tags said.
Pat T <patidwelljr@juno.com>
Ca, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 00:18:08 (ZULU) (your host address:
63.28.182.96)
Kevin; don't be applying logic and common sense around here. $5.00
fine! I wouldn't even tow a 20 lb rifle.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 00:38:23 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
CDC...
I have two of the .308 M70/HBV'z (plus one in .223 ;)... one of
them was the lst of the production, just before they went to the "stealth"...
and they both have a 12" twist.
Hornady spec's a 10" for their 178 A-Max's (which are about 1/8"
longer than the 175SMKs...
If you have a good deal on a 12" go ahead, but if you are paying
close to full price, go with a 10"... which will also shoot the 200 and
220 SMKs well.
There are a lot of reasons for the heavy weight... it's not just
"us".
The military M24 runs about 16+ pounds, and has a straight taper
barrel.
The weight of a heavy gun soaks up a lot of pulse, and heart beat...
especially when you've humped and crawled yo' kit several miles, or are
shooting with "Buffalo" sticks.
Also, heavy barrels with straight tapers (not stepped in front of
the chamber) tend to keep the shots in the same place, hot or cold, and
that includes the first shot.
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 00:56:39 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
"Did you ever have to make up your mind, to pick up on one and leave
the other behind, its not often easy, its not often kind, did you ever
have to make up your mind?"
M1A standard black on black, $1245 new
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 01:02:36 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.46.17)
CDC: if the Kreiger you found is a 1:10, it'll work well. That's
what mine is, and you saw first hand how it handled 175 SMK's at 2700 fps,
well, when I wasn't blasting dirt into your face. Even these rounds at
2580 fly well.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
disgusted with public education in the, USA - Saturday, August 05,
2000 at 01:14:22 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.241)
All: So the question is, if you got a deal on a 1 in 11 Krieger
in top shape, would you use it for 44 grains of Varget and 175 gr. .308
SMKs?
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 01:42:48 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.90)
Got my hands on a 6.5 x 284 built by Bill Wylde. Goodness, happier
than a coon dog with two di*ks. Soon, coyotes will be on the endangered
list:) What a guy and what a gunsmith.
Bruce <Bruce@mannlawfirm.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 02:21:54 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.16.162.10)
Aw Lito; if you had a heart like mine you just wait till SOB misses
about 3 in a row before you shoot. Pay no attention to him Kevin he just
hasn't learned to shoot between heart beats. Drugs is the answer. Get you
some of them inhibitors, trick is to aim in the low part of the heat wave
on the fill the heart chamber while the blood in your finger is slowing
down. Gee's the stuff I have to teach you guys! Or you can pump iorn all
the time like Gooch and carry a heavy gun. What a puss!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 02:37:08 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Or you learn from Old Dog, who ain't got a pulse at all! He can
shoot one of those carbolite things in 6.5-284 wild Wilde!!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 02:40:28 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
'Yote Bate...
Don't get betterer, you no good bum!
signed "Wylie Coyote"
-------------------------------------
" ... if you got a deal on a 1 in 11 Krieger in top shape, would
you use it for 44 grains of Varget and 175 gr. .308 SMKs?"
Don't listen to that no good 'yote bate... he never met a good barrel
he didn't want to saw off!
The longest rifle he has, is a 30-06 snub nosed Remington 700 VS!
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 03:19:14 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Bill the only iron I "pump" is a steam iron pressing out a pair
of jeans.
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 04:56:55 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.140)
6MM and long range
I have a 6MM IMP with 8" twist and it pushes a 107 BTHP at 3200
fps. Wind drift for a 10 mph wind at 1000 is 69". THe 308 168 at the same
range is 115". The trajectory is also quite a bit flatter. For the wind
velocity challenged such as myself,it cuts my guessing in half!
Yes it is a custom barrel and chamber.But so are most barrels on
a custom tactical rifle. THere are drawbacks (no commercial ammo). As for
barrel life. My rifle has somewhere around 1000 rds down the pipe and it
still shoots better than I can.
Just my opinion.
Bill B.
Bill Byford <byfords@otbnet.com>
IL, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 05:50:29 (ZULU) (your host address:
4.20.172.27)
'lito,
I just measured a sample of factory loaded Lapua 308, the average
neck dimension was 0.3385 (with very little variance).
Redding say to subtract 0.002 to 0.003 from the loaded round neck
dimension (which (obviously!) gives me 0.336)to allow for spring back.
Is your choice of 0.338 based on some cunning reasoning (or are
you simply using thicker brass)?
Matt
Matt <mt@mtwilks.fsnet.co.uk>
UK - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 09:25:35 (ZULU) (your host address:
195.92.67.78)
Matt...
I'm not sure if I said "the" normal bushing was .338", but my normal
one is .338".
Don't ask me to 'splain it, I can't. My finished/loaded size is
.3385", same as you. I bought a .336", and a .340", thinking I'd use the
.336" to load, and the .340" for preping cases for turning. The .336" was
a bit snug, so I got a .338". I use the .338" for loading, and the .336"
only sometimes.
It may be due to the bushings not being "as marked"... I haven't
measured them (and I don't want to take them apart now, I'm in the middle
of a run).
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 10:35:26 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
A quick comment on the Savage 110FP. I have one in 7.62x51. From
the factory the stock was just too light. I replaced it with the Choate
(Maj. Plaster) stock and improved my three round group 60%. I would recommend
it to anyone with the FP. I use a Springfield 2nd Generation, range finding
scope, double mounted. The Choate stock has camoflage tie down areas for
Ghillie type attachments. There was a question by Jeromy about painting
a rifle earlier, and I would advise against it, due to the relationship
between retained heat and shortness of barrel life. Painting the stock
is fine, there are a few brands of outdoor paints (used for duck blinds,
mostly) that will work on synthetic and natural stocks. Just remember to
use flat paints. Camoflage patterns should follow the type of area you
snipe in. In N. Carolina a dark pine type pattern would probably be your
best bet. Fit into your surroundings. Semper Fi everyone!
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 12:36:58 (ZULU)
(your host address: 38.2.209.21)
Charles...
Painting, and powder coating is getting very common.
So please give the source of this info.
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 13:23:59 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Just paint it! Dont get it on the muzzle, dont get it on the lenses
or the elevation and windage knobs and just paint it.
Dave
Ft. Worth, Texas, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 13:25:12 (ZULU)
(your host address: 168.191.176.111)
Bill Byford; I think someone mentioned that bullet as a long range
thing (read back a few posts) and although most conventional rifles would
have a little trouble getting bullet to 3200 I'm willing to buy that wildcat
loadings (which I mentioned) will get you there as well as custom guns
(Mr. Rice will give you a 6mm ride if you want one). Most people are talking
conventional .243 Winchester rifles and that's what I responded too. There
are those here who have taken .223 to the limits of physics and done some
astounding things and although you can be praised for mentioning it, my
post about he 6mm was in the conventional no aftermarket barrels or twists
sense. There is always someone in the shooting game whether it's rifle
or pistol or whatever that will push the limit of the science and amaze
and astound. I pretty much live in the real world around here but you're
all free to play as you wish, that makes the world go around.... I mainly
shoot .308 and .223 12ga and .45 (cept for my .41m business gun) cause
I have an Uncle who make the brass and makes it cheap for me once he shoots
it. MY Uncle is just like me, he lives and trains his troops for the real
world. In Mr. Rogers' neighorhood of today here and now, Coyotes are scoungy
critters that don't care what they get shot with.... and up yours Wylie
Coyote, just watch yore mangy ass come October!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 13:26:27 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
AARRGGHH, NO PAINT? Gimme that turpentine!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 14:20:48 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.147.46)
B.R...
Why are you waitin' for October?
Seasons, What Seasons, We don' neeeed no steeenkin' huntin' seasons!!
The original .223 PSS's had a 12" twist, but for the last 3 or so
years, they have a 9" twist.
The guns with 9" barrels are marked as such, on top of the barrel,
about 4" back from the muzzle... if there's no marking, it's a 12"er.
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 14:37:13 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
I saw someone mention in a post of using Kroil http://www.kanolabs.com/
on their rifles. Out of curiosity, why? As far as I have ever known this
stuff is a penetrating oil that is for loosening rusted parts.
CCaspers <deltavkps@hotmail.com>
Omaha, NE, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 14:41:12 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.3.225.76)
Just wondering if anyone has heard about how the Storm Mountain
Teams did at CFSAC this past week......
Estep <Nestep@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 15:01:54 (ZULU) (your host address:
64.12.104.183)
Just wondering if anyone has heard about how the Storm Mountain
Teams did at CFSAC this past week......
Estep <Nestep@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 15:02:03 (ZULU) (your host address:
64.12.104.183)
Good day all:
Way humid Smyrna, GA, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 15:16:52 (ZULU)
(your host address: 24.240.78.136)
Bolt,
Please excuse my breaking in on this STG by DSA vs M1A thing but
I don't recall anyone commenting about reliable quality ammunition supplies
or optics mounts.
>
Re: optics mounting---
If mounting heavy optics on the rifle is a priority, perhaps the
M1A is the way to go. I have not yet heard anything about how well DSA's
bolt-on optics mount for the upper receiver stands up to unintended
abuse.
Any info on this?
>
Re: Good ammunition---
The present political situation does not inspire confidence in a
reliable future supply of good quality ammunition.
A civilian- and perhaps some law enforcement - may be best served
by the adjustable gas system of the DSA- brand STG.
>
I see all sorts of posts on the Armalite site about people changing
ammunition brands and experiencing feed/cycling problems- due mostly to
the non-adjustable gas system.
I don't know how sensitive the M1A is to ammunition.
>
I've been out of the firearms hobby for a number of years and never
bought or had a chance to try one of these tools- or toys; your preference.
>
I stumbled into this site while looking for aerial photos-
one site led to another then to a Marine Corps site and then this
one. No aerial photos, but interesting stuff nonetheless.
>
Hope I didn't re-hash anything you folks have already talked to
death.
>
Oh yeah, my vote.
I'd buy a DSA STG and remove the the muzzle break and shorten the
barrel to the carbine length.
I don't see any sense in having a muzzle break on a gas cycled rifle
in .308.
Percy Blakeney <pblakeney@west.de>
"OOO-SSS-AAA" - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 15:59:54 (ZULU) (your
host address: 206.31.247.10)
Hi. One time sniper (US Army Berlin Brigade and ....), now civilian
FF/Paramedic looking to get back into long range accuracy in my shooting.
The terrain here has very few options (Upstate NY) but I'm looking. Anyway,
I have just purchased a Savage bolt action 300 Win Mag with a "tactical"
bull barrel. I put a 4x16x40 Tasco scope on it and I am now wondering what
the best approach would be regarding loads and what range I can expect.
Ed
Ed <edfernley@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 18:04:19 (ZULU) (your host address:
147.205.108.217)
Hi
Thanks
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 20:48:46 (ZULU) (your host address:
212.49.227.190)
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Wire Fraud
Reno, NV, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 21:24:13 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.202.134.129)
Pablito,
Hello! On the topic of painting the barrel, I'm not sure where I
got the info on retained heat. It was about 7 or so years ago, when the
cryrogenic treatment of barrels was the new hype. You are very correct
about sniper rifles (if used as such) generating that much heat. We were
always told "two is too many" (the whole one shot, one kill Marine Corps
thing). Especially considering that I only had a 1911-A1 as backup (plus
my spotter). The basis of the keeping paint off the barrel may be completely
unsubstantiated and may just have been against the policy of our STA platoon
with 3rd Recon. Even if the deterioration of accuracy due to heat holds
true, which is more important, the being off mark by 3 inches, or not being
seen? I prefer to keep a matte black, factory barrel, and using ghillie
attached to stock and scope. That way if I'm out of my usual area I just
switch ghillie patterns. A green barrel (or woodland) sticks out like a
sore thumb in the desert, where straight jute canvas tends to blend better.
Just my opinion. Thanks for your reply. Semper Fi!
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 21:24:50 (ZULU)
(your host address: 63.253.149.158)
Looking for any input as to preferances between bipods. Harris Swivel
or non Swivel. Is the parker hale that much better? Does Parker Hale swivel?
Thanx. B<:>B
Brack <brackett@massed.net>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 22:59:34 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.6.67.140)
Brack - swivle vs non-swivel:
Nokesville, Va, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 23:44:39 (ZULU)
(your host address: 207.233.164.10)
Matt: mine are 0.336 and 0.338, but I use the 0.336 for my brass.
Of course, the brass neck thickness will determine which one you want to
use, so that might be a consideration ;-)
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as the, USA - Sunday, August 06,
2000 at 00:09:00 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.218)
As far as to swivel or not to swivel, I vote for not. I used to
have one and it moved to much and you can't really lock it down too good.
I use the LM version that has notched legs and springs out which is better
than the ones that spring in and you have to turn the knob to keep it from
going down. You can adjust the notched legs pretty good to compensate for
uneven ground. Check them out before you get the swivel.
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 00:24:00 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.201.83)
Bravo...
Blue jeans and stainless steel... why don'cha tell 'em about me
falling of the cliff again, why don'cha... Jeez, I don't get no respect
on this site.
This year's gun is Teflon BLACK, with cammie jammies for West VA...
(mostly green, with thorns, and lots'a sheep wool ;)
And did you get the Doogie box yet ;)
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 00:27:46 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Rob...
When I set it down, and set it for the bubble, it stays there for
the shot, even if I let loose on the gun for some reason.
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 00:33:46 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Lito, Mine had that to but didn't tighten good enough unless like
you said I cranked down on it with pliers and then it sometimes shot loose.
Personally I don't want something on there that needs pliers to change
it. I like to keep all my gear as KISS as possible. The LM model adjsuts
just fine for any slope I've come across yet. I guess it's jus a personal
feel.
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:04:33 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.201.84)
Paint on barrels. USMC teaches to do it and the user manual for
the M40A1 showed you how to do it.
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:04:46 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.139)
Painting:
I will use or make up some kind of 'pajamas' and cover it that way.
Nokesville, Va, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:19:02 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
Gooch,
Attached to 3rd Recon from 3/8 in spring-summer 1987. "C" Force
was spending too much time in the phillipines and the Gulf. I know what
you're saying. 8th Marine Regiment is 2nd MARDIV. In 1987 we did a flip
and ended up on Camp Schwab. 6 month tour under Lt Col Byce and Col. Sheehan
(now a MajGen I believe). He put 8th Marines into MAUSOC (now MEUSOC),
the first Battalion to do so was ours, to my recollection. Because of all
of this, 3rd RECON attached a STA. I've also heard (but do not know) that
even 3rd ANGLICO had a squad of scout snipers attached. I believe that
Col. Sheehan thought the Phillipines would get a little hotter than it
did. Also, Operation Omaha was going ahead as planned (later to be cancelled).
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:36:59 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.253.150.120)
3rd Recon had no STA thast I know of, only sniper teams used in
the Reconnaissance & Surveillance teams that were in support of the
DAP, at least that was what they had when Imwas there and what the Batallion
used until the disband of 3rd in 1993.
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , ny, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:42:58 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.125)
Does anyone have any experience with the Steyr SBS Tactical rifle?
I really like the way it fits my hand and the trigger is very sweet. The
10 round detachable mag is also very neat. I wonder if I should get the
20" or 26" version?
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:45:53 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.86.38.65)
Charles,
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , ny, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:50:29 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.125)
Kush: You DO mean Philipina, don't you?
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:56:50 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.56)
All: Armament Technology M24 - saw one of these for sale on Gunsamerica.com
for 3500.00 - not a bad price - considering it's ready to go...
Nokesville, Va, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:59:09 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
Kush:
Ever try a Buong Egg(SP?)????
My brother-in-law is Philipino & his dad still prefers traditional
foods.
STG58 !! :)
Bill Moore <lmalterna@aol.com>
Goodview, VA, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 02:26:03 (ZULU) (your
host address: 151.199.82.102)
Kush,
I,too, wasted many brain cells drinking Red Horse, San Miguel and
(against regs) Mojo. I would never say anything bad about my time in Olongapo.
I was in Oki 3 months before finally getting to PI. what a relief it was!!!
I was attached from STA 3/8. Lt. Downs was our OIC. The NPA was getting
a little troublesome in 87 (Aquino had just been "elected"). I may know
you. Where you with MSG in '89? Kush sounds familiar. My e-mail address
is legit, let me know.
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 02:28:46 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.253.150.120)
Ahhhh the PI. I was there for 18 months with "A" co Marine Barracks
from 86' to 88'. I also got to go back when I went on float with 3/1. Man
do I miss T's Tavern and Slim's. Or having Orange give me a message at
Samuri's(sp). They were good times but now it's all hotels and touristy.
I still have the pictures and memories though, or at least the times I
can rememeber. :::Sigh:::
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 02:30:15 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.201.47)
Bill you talking about Balut(sp)? The partially fertilized egg that
was cooked or pickled so when you opened it it was a baby chicken or duck
inside? Many a drunken night I grossed out some Navy women and newbies
eating those. But after a bunch of Red Horse it wasn't to hard. Charles
I might have hassled you a few times when you were going in and out of
the base. I tried not to mess with the Marines to much but the Navy was
another story ;)
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 02:38:05 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.201.51)
Rob,
You probably remember us!! We were at the upper MAF camp in the
Summer of 87. The idiots pulling watch over the river and the electric
plant. What was the name of that river? The Boton, I believe. We'd spend
a week on Guard, a week at Red Beach (training?) and a week on patrol with
the Papa Mikes. I wished I was you plenty of times. Especially monsoon
season. Was "A" in Subic or Cubi point?
Semper Fi!
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 02:41:22 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.253.150.120)
Rob,
Did you ever eat those "feet on a stick" things that were on every
corner? I never had the balls, but I had a buddy or two that did. I used
to go down to the Papa Mike area by the gate and eat dog, but that's about
as brave as I got. Besides the old MRE's they'd give us Jarheads. Actually,
I think I preferred the dog over the chicken ala death I used to always
get.
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 02:54:52 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.253.150.120)
Rob;
That's it! My sis is getting a first class lesson in Philipine cuisine.
Some of it I may have to try, some I will not! Love my bro-in-law but why
couldn't he have been Mexican!!!!! His family name is Primicias & supposed
to have been some relatives in politics when Aquino became seated but they
left soon after!
Later
Bill Moore <lmalterna@aol.com>
Goodview, Va, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 02:58:03 (ZULU) (your
host address: 151.199.82.102)
Pat Tidwell, PeteR. Many thanks for the emails. May have to get
one of those Badger bases.
Jeff A.
Jeff A. <d1k2l3@smyrnacable.net>
Smyrna, GA, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 03:04:19 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.240.78.136)
I am in the Air Force Security Police and I am going to be going
to a sniper school in Texas with a freind of mine. We were wondering if
there are any 1000m ranges in our area. I found info here but I cant seem
to retreave the a point of contact. Can any one help?
Also I am looking to put stock on my rifle but am having a hard
time finding companies that sell a product that I can trust. I dont want
to end up with a cheap peice of junk. Where do I start? Also do I want
a stock that is light or heavy?
Jason Sider <jks5150@hotmail.com>
Altus, AFB, ok, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 03:05:20 (ZULU) (your
host address: 131.50.151.6)
Never had the feet but had the chicken hearts a few times along
with alot of the "beef" on the stick at Terry's stand. She had the stand
that was about 50 feet down the first right, the way to T's, after you
go out the gate. I was gone about 6 months before I came back on float
but that first night I came around the corner and Terry was there yelling
"Moose!!!" I haddn't seen her in 6 months but she didn't forget me. I used
to hang with the Papa Mikes alot but we didn't patrol with them per se.
We had our own Jungle Operations Branch or JOBs and we usually had a Papa
Mike or Navy guy with us for the language barrier if we caught anyone.
We were right at Subic because we worked all the gates for the base. If
you walked on the base kept going past the ball fields our barracks was
right there. We did all the same stuff you did as far as training, but
we usually used green beach, and patroling so I'm not sure why you would
have wanted to be us. Unless of course you wanted to stay there for 18
month which was nice :) I'm not sure of the river you are talking about.
It's been a while but I still have a topographical map of the base and
surrounding area and I could check it out for you. I do miss that place
but I keep in touch with a bunch of friends from there. I saw one last
weekend and another, who is a sniper in San Antonio, was supposed to come
up but we never heard from him. That kinda sucked because we were really
looking forward to seeing him. Well here's to the memories.
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 03:10:27 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.201.51)
Rob,
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , ny, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 03:27:05 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.140)
Have abandoned the standard Harris some time back Ken. The Swivel
will do the job it you follow Gooch's recommendations on that screw.
The Jammies you need are called "Snake Skins" they are camo elastic
cloth. They come designed to cover the whole rifle but I cut them in half
and cover the barrel end with the small half. Then use the middle to make
scope Jammies by slitting a 4 inch cut and slipping it over one end of
the scope and then the other. The rest can be pushed up to make 3D Jammies
that protect the gun while you're crawling. Or cover the stock. IT works
pretty well and you're gun finish won't be mauled. This stuff usually will
stay put during a crawl due to the elastic nature. I think it comes in
a brown camo and green.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 03:34:02 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
As per usual, Kent is right on the swivel thing. Mine came loose
about 250 rounds after purchasing it, so I tightened it up per Mike's instructions
(well, he told me how to do it RIGHT after laughing at the way I did it),
and it's held since then, another 400 or so rounds, still fine. If I only
have to mess with it every few months, who cares?
BTW, you're getting the 30-06 AP that I was talking about, just
didn't have as much of it as I thought. And NO, you didn't get my clips!
Brew Master Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the wild, wild, wacky, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 03:52:51 (ZULU)
(your host address: 209.180.85.253)
Just paint the dam guns. There is absolutely NO barrel heat build
up due to painting of the weapon. We have been doing it for years and still
get over 5000, going onto 7000 or more on alot of weapons, rounds in our
M24s. As far as jammies for the weapon I have seen too many times when
the barrel has been trapped by the camo and thus you no longer have a free
floated barrel. THAT does damage to your accuracy at all ranges. As far
as changing camo, heck paint is fast and accurate, as far as dark green
for NC, you will probably get caught. High up in the green pines it is
dark, on the ground is very light tan dead saw grass and pampas type grass.
The color of the burlap, not pastic, sand bags are very close as is the
color of natural burlap soaked in a strong tea and/or coffee solution for
a few days.
Rick <rbowcher@aol.com>
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 04:09:45 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.206.203)
The "debate" on swivel vs. non-swivel bipods could not be more timely.
I,to have gone from non-swivel to swivel and back and forth mainly because
of the inability to truely "lock down" the swivel once you have it where
you need it. I've recently recieved an item called the "Pod-Loc" from Terry
Cross at KMW Long Range Solutions, that replaces the knurled knob on the
Harris bipods with a small lever that REALLY locks the swivel in place.
I'm evaluating it now and hope to have a full write up within a week to
ten days. Keep watching the In Review section. Just let me say THIS THING
WORKS!!!!
Area 51, NM, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 06:42:12 (ZULU) (your
host address: 206.245.243.60)
does anyone know if you can do anything to make the triggerpull
less on a marlin model60? its a cheap little gun, but i love it:) The only
bad thing is that its horrably tough to pull:(
Chris <smp@dazedandconfused.com>
boise, id, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 07:11:02 (ZULU) (your host
address: 38.36.16.197)
Rob...
If the Harris shoots loose, send it to them, and they'll fix it.
Yeah... Konnecticut, I'm down in Fairfield, along the coast, and
shoot at the Lyman range once or twice a week, when it's NOT raining!
Wonderin' what that red fire in the eastern sky is??, USA - Sunday,
August 06, 2000 at 11:48:47 (ZULU) (your host address: 24.188.89.243)
About the barrel camo...Way back when Dave Reed 1st started this
site (its probably somewhere in archives) he mentioned an idea about bead/or
heavy grit sand blasting a barrel. I took my VSSF and had it heavy grit
blasted, not so much for the supposed cooling effect but for dulling the
finish. Works. Looks like a stick or nothing, have to see to believe. Another
alternative is to take the leftover "pulls" of burlap from your ghillie
and spray adhesive (3M 77 is good) on the barrel and then dropping this
stuff on the barrel. Seems like I always have plenty of the burlap strands
on the floor, even after I have cleaned the A/O !!! Just some more alternatives.
Will <willadams@mindspring.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 13:02:25 (ZULU) (your host address:
199.174.148.197)
Nothing wrong with painting your rifle, cept you got one painted
for just one terrain. The "Snakes" won't ruin your accuracy or hold too
much heat. Camo tape gets wet and accuracy goes to hell that is if you
wrap it around the barrel and stock and across the free float gap. Don't
confuse the "Snakes" with "gun chaps" cause gun "chaps" will ruin your
accuracy fast. You can paint for the terrain your in and use chaps when
you get in a different color back ground or do the burlap (loose wrap)
to break up the outline. Burlap gets wet too though. If "Snakes" get wet
they don't retain a lot of moisture. I hate having to remove the paint
but it's not going to cause heat build up. Oh yes, I use white socks in
the snow in the winter time just cut one end out of knee length socks.
I doubt Rick has that "white" problem where he lives. Sometimes I change
terrain colors 2 or 3 times a day *in melting snow conditions. That would
take a lot of paint. Some guys around here use that Bow paint that just
washes off but it's not quite that simple. Some sniper applications might
be a bit too rigorius for the chaps but I've not found that to be true
in these rocks and sage and cedar mesa's of this country. Paint the hell
out of her if you like but chaps cost $10 apiece that will do a rifle and
scope.
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 13:45:30 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
By the way, where are all these painted guns from factories? Are
we talking stocks? Most guns are blued on bead blasted metal, Actually
the shinny ones are blued too but he metal is polished much more like colt
python pistols and R..gg.r rifles. Leupold uses some kind of finish on
their matte but I think the metal may be rougher than the shiny model uses.
Parkerized guns have kind of disappeared except for some PSS models. That's
a good finish for dulling things and providing rust protection I always
thought. Wasn't someone parkerizing with a couple of colors at least to
provide some camo effect? Bead blasting and reblueing works wonders to
take the shine off of course that's been said.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 14:00:22 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Re: TACTICAL INTERVENTION & MIKE MILLER
Canada - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 14:09:20 (ZULU) (your host address:
142.177.78.81)
OH yes some might want to go this way, Remington uses an epoxy resin
to cover their rifles like the ADL BDL wood models. You can repair chips
and dents on them with expoxy resin if you are careful to keep it from
running. Finn Aggard took epoxy resin and mixed it with sand and actually
finished a rifle with it. I bet it would do a number on your hands but
if you mixed colors with it and then bead blasted the epoxy it would probably
last forever and be a dull finish and moisture barrier that wouldn't quit.
I haven't tried it yet so do something other than your favorite gun first.
After free floating a wood barrel epoxy resin to coat the inside will stabilize
the wood warp to some extent. Mix small amounts and brush it on quickly
keep it level till it sets up cause that stuff runs bad...it will be shiny
but it's on the inside (forever!). All in a days work for Ote hunters.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 14:11:52 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Master Rick,
Hope so, I got a TON of questions for you, couldn't get a word in
edgewise post match cuz of "CliffDiver" Coburn while youse was standing
by The Depities 20' long motocycle
We don Need No Stinkin Wonder Nine!
We don Want no Stinking Wonder nine!
MONSOON CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 14:26:06 (ZULU)
(your host address: 64.12.105.173)
Hey Sarge: promise a write up. Not sure if I really NEED it, but
sounds cool, and I'm all about upgrading! Lever lock for a Harris bipod.
Neat!
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
e-home, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 14:37:39 (ZULU) (your host
address: 209.180.85.244)
Unofficial results for Storm Mountain Training Center (SMTC) at
the Canadian Forces Small Arms Championship (CFSAC) matches.
Damascus, MD, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 14:56:13 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.91.228.226)
'Yote Bate...
Cleaned off the paint from the bolt faces, and later sent one back
for a feeding/chamber problem (what else is new), and they wouldn't send
it back without $175 for a new bolt cuz the old one had been "modified!"...
the paint had been removed from face.
Had to get my 'smith to call them to get my gun out of "Remington
Jail". They sure are paranoid up in Illion :(
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 15:01:05 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Charles, just checking. We do get some posers on here from time
to time.
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 15:12:34 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.137)
Dave you're too modest.
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 15:16:55 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.137)
Mr. Rodgers
As for the other calibers you mentioned, I to own and play with
each and think they are all OUTSTANDING!
I'm sure Mr. Rice builds very fine rifles as I have read the post
on this site. All of my rifles are built by Bill Wylde. He has built 3
for me (and hopefully a 4th 6.5x284 in the future) and they are all outstanding
shooters.
Like I said. No p***ing contest. I read your post and usually agree
with your opinions and humor.
Bill Byford <byfords@otbnet.com>
IL, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 15:33:59 (ZULU) (your host address:
4.20.172.53)
Philippine Marines and M16-based DMR/SS Rifles:
Colatown, SC, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 15:54:21 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.31.204.125)
On bipods.... s' been a while since I posted here, if I had any
credibility built up before I suppose it may have by now expired... but
my $.02 on bipods is, there is no bipod that LOOKS more exotic and fit
for duty than the Parker Hale, but they are just to heavy and floppy to
be practical. I went to a good deal of trouble on one to flute it and skeletonize
it; was rewarded with about 1/2 pound of chips on the floor, not enough
to matter. It LOOKs even cooler though. The Harris, Plebian though it may
be, wins. Their weakest point seems to be the sheet metal strap that is
formed into a split nut, giving the female thread used to tension it to
the swivel stud, and the two-bit, 10-24 Allen screw wanna-be that they
provide. Always been a peeve of mine, when somebody makes an otherwise
good product and then saves themself $.03 on the production cost by using
cheesy fasteners.
Ned <michigun@hotmail.com>
3R, MI, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 16:14:58 (ZULU) (your host
address: 207.89.137.4)
Marlin 60 triggers:
Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Colatown, SC, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 16:27:07 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.31.204.125)
Kush,
Germany - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 16:36:28 (ZULU) (your host address:
62.156.8.152)
Ned: Your credibility survives. It's good to see you back. Been
putting any rounds through your shotguns?
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 18:09:01 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.35)
CDC...
I have one of those little Lupitas... very nice for AR flat tops.
They DON'T take a sunshade :(
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 18:46:29 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
I want to thank all for responding to my question on bipods. You
have convinced me to go with the swivel. It seems I do spend an awful lot
of time playing with the legs on my non-swivel version.
Brack <Brackett@massed.net>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 20:22:07 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.6.69.114)
Bravo - the bait hit the surface and skipped right past you. No
hook was allowed to set. Guess I was a bit obvious with it wasn't I.
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 20:40:11 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.206.182)
CDC: this sounds like a possible alternate scope for the '25! Something
with less mirage, but just as good (and I don't need 10X anyway). If you
get one, let me know how well it works (adjustability to close / far ranges).
Of course, it'd be easier if I got to slap this BDC on it, but hey, life's
hard. Man, I need a Lupita catalog.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
strugling with a temporary beer deficit, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000
at 20:41:40 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.184)
Bill Byford; Bill WILDER who? Does that old Greenup farm boy make
guns? Seriously no offense taken, my direct answers sometimes get mistaken
for pissed but it ain't so. Me and Bill W. go back lot longer than the
Internet by the way! When I said "others have" he was first and foremost
on my mind. In fact Bill Wylde is the first guy I ever heard of a 6 or
6.5 mm-284 from. He dont' count though. You give him a H&R single shot
30-30 and he'll find a way to get it to a 1000 yards. I mentioned the Rice
man cause he's been snipin with a 6mm wildcat too at distance I'm ashamed
to talk about. Somethin tells me you've seen your share of 1000 yard targets
if you even know that old coot from Ill.!
I don't drop his name much cause he's too busy to talk to folks
that ain't serious. If you have his guns, I judge you damned serious!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 22:13:26 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Rick, come on dont kid anyone the 9mm is as good a handgun round
as the 223 is a field sniper round and almost as good as a Mini 14 is a
battle rifle. You need to get on your horse and come to New Mexico in the
spring and see some pretty country. As soon as I figure when Elk season
is in New Mexico I am going back, in full ghillie and sneaking past James
for some steaks. Well I am going to bribe the sneaky one into letting me
shoot one Elk. I have not figured out how to convince him an Elk is just
a very large Varmint.
MikeMiller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 23:13:57 (ZULU) (your host
address: 205.188.200.57)
Mike, I joke you not, the place that I've seen the most elk in my
life is about 30 miles south of there, and one of my buddies routinely
filled his and several others (a practice that I don't personally condone)
tags as a group about 20 miles north. As far as I can tell, you're in the
great poo-bah elk grand-daddy's living room right there. I'm not sure where
the division lines are anymore, but I believe that the area we're talking
about is still an extremely difficult tag to pull (if you're interested).
At least it was when I was there. You don't even need a rifle, many are
lethally whacked on the roadway right through there. Watched one myself,
a pickup try to wind through about 40 of them right around dusk. Besides,
you drive a Ford, so it won't hardly scratch the paint ;-)
I know you're just jabbing in good fun at me about the mini, so
I'm not gonna get upset or whatever. The fact is, a person is in one of
three camps. Either he's trying to learn everything he can (for me first
hand), he's all ready verified that it does or doesn't work, or he's a
gunmag guru (you know the ones, tell you about a rifle they've never handled
but read a good write up!). Well, I don't take what I read with too much
faith (too many perfect weapons in G&A that were really lousy), and
I haven't tried it first hand. You can see where I'm going. I've got to
learn somehow. For some reason I learn best by doing. Sure, I fail a lot,
but I learn. Better now than later.
As for the 9, I guess I'm hereby going to step up to my trusty S&W
Distinguished Combat Magnum. Fixed sights, L frame, stainless steel. The
full house 357 mags will give me that extra 16% kinetic energy. It's a
LOT heavier than the Glock, bigger (4" bbl), and not theoretically as reliable
in wet environments, not to mention it doesn't have the same capacity (I
usually don't carry a spare mag or loader when I go to the grocery store),
but it had numbers that should make the 45 auto look sloppy. Guess I'll
carry a spare Safariland.
Unfortunately, this leaves you nothing to tease me about ;-)
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as the, USA - Monday, August 07,
2000 at 00:31:55 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.143)
Ghillie Cleaning...
Thing is - now it smells too good... all someone has to do is catch
a whiff of 'downy' or 'bounce' blowing down wind :)
Nokesvillle, Va, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 01:04:02 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
Also: no gang, the Major does not know that I ran this stuff thru
the washer/dryer... They're in the middle of a typhoon over there - so
she most likely won't find this post on the roster...
Nokesville, Va, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 01:08:49 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
Torsten,
Buffalo , NY, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 01:09:15 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.145)
Ken - Try using the delicate bag that the woman of the house uses
for her panty hose and other delicates, that keeps down the fuzz and saves
marriages, just don't use hers. I am surprised you didn't get any tangles
though, I always get some but then a good pair of scissors takes care of
that problem. Smell, wear it in the woods and roll roll roll like a dog!
Also adds some nice natrual as well. :)
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 01:37:01 (ZULU)
(your host address: 205.188.197.33)
I am going to take advantage of this turn in tide toward handguns
to ask opinions on the SIG 220. I am dumping my HK UPS40 & want to
return to .45 but need to stay with something my wife can pick up in an
emergency(she doesn't like to train much- silly women thing!)
By the way- A few of you moved me so hard, I plunked down my money
and bought my Badger base & rings- will install tomorrow & then
just have to wait on my HS triggerguard to arrive...
Bill Moore <lmalterna@aol.com>
Goodview, Va, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 01:48:40 (ZULU) (your
host address: 151.199.82.102)
Are any of you from Delaware? (Free teddy bears to those who know
where this state is). I used to e-mail a shooter from this site who lived
around Wilmington and used a shooting range around there, the Brandywine
100 Gun & Rod Club I think. He went by the e-mail of T18man@someserver.com
or something similar to that. Unfortunately, Hotmail deleted my e-mail
library, so I don't have his address anymore. Please e-mail me if if anyone
can enlighten me.
d19 <desdichado19@hotmail.com>
DE, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 02:21:38 (ZULU) (your host address:
204.183.91.5)
Bill,
as far as Sig Sauer pistols are concerned, I have had nothing but
extreme good luck with them (hope this statement does not start a jinx).
My latest (and greatest ?) is a P-226 in the .357Sig caliber (aka 9mm-on-steroids).
So far, with way too many hundreds of rounds through it, have never, ever,
had a misfeed or slam-fire. The one thing I like about the P-226 over the
P-220 though is the fact that with only a barrel change (drop-in barrels,
no custom fitting necessary), you turn it into a .40S&W (for those
need-to-release testosterone days), plus the .357Sig and the .40S&W
use identical and interchangeable 10-round mags. Plus the construction
is all steel; none of the plastic lower garbage.
Ares <ares@ezo.net>
Canton, OH, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 02:30:29 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.93.222.13)
D19:
My favorite Rem 700: 'Beth'
My Rem PSS: 'Ruth'
Nokesville, Va, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 02:34:27 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
Steyr SSG PI: I have recently purchased a PI. It has been zeroed
at 100 yrds and on occasion produces 1/2" groups (Federal Match and Black
Hills). However, when I move to the 200 yard line, my rounds drop 4.5"
on average. I've even had rounds "walk" downward from 4.5" to 5" to 6"
on a three round group (windage holds steady). The rifle has a Leupold
6.5x20 long range scope, 26" medium barrel (1-12 twist/ 4 lands and grooves).
The walking elevation and low groups seem odd as the rifle also sports
the new Sniper Country reviewed Accu-shot monopod. I've ruled out operator
error by shooting a friend's Rem 700 during the same session and achieving
roughly a 2"-2.5" drop with the same ammo. I've thought about a Cryro job
on the barrel. Have you ever heard of this problem and if so, any suggestions
and/or advise would be appreciated. Thanks, Russ
Russ <Nthing2Do@AOL.COM>
USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 02:44:58 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.199.187)
Ah ha! Master Rick, you've got a bite now! The size of the case
is mostly irrelevant! My 357 load will do an honest 1450 with a Remington
125 grainer JHP (chronographed load). I load them in 38 special cases (Winchester),
and use W296. This is done to stay above the low case problems of the powder.
I pity the crook that tries to use my loads in a 38. My 9 loads are either
a 115 Winchester JHP at 1385 or a Remington 124 grain JHP at 1320, whichever
is on sale that month. For the "real thing" I keep the Sierras in 115.
Since we can definately say that a 9 (.355) is the same as a 357 mag (.357),
and a 124 and a 125 are the same, then my 9 loads are a touch better than
a chronoed full house 357 from a snubbie. I'm gonna give the Glock 40 a
try, because it uses the same frame size as the 17, and I gots SMALL hands.
45 auto? Don't get me wrong, I love them. Just never had one that I'd want
to put my neck on. That's 2 stockers and one custom job. Still got the
2 stockers though. I know they're out there, but the guy I shoot IDPA with
never shot a "non-jammer" until he paid for a Wilson. Kept buying Colts
and Springfields. Besides, if you look at the Sannow / Wilson book, the
Corbon 9 load (Sierra 115 at 1350) was the equivalent of the Hydrashok
45. If I were still having to carry ball, I'd ONLY carry a 45 auto, and
keep it immaculate! The military moving to the 9 is a bad proposition no
questions.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
carrying pig iron, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 02:45:32 (ZULU)
(your host address: 209.180.85.225)
1)
D19 :
don't tell me... you have also incorporated an invisible cretinizer
on that rifle of yours ? >:)
Bravo's post proves again the validity of the First Law of Armed
Combat : "Thou shall not taunt ZenMaster Bravo for thou shall be buried
under a mountain of experience-derived, truthful and consistent web of
data thus rendering you incapable of offering a contradictory statement".
Ares <ares@ezo.net>
canton, OH, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 03:01:48 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.93.222.13)
Would someone please comment on this conversion that a company is
making on the M1Garand. It is rechambered into a 338Mag. Cut and paste
or click on the url I'm putting in as my home page but it sure as heck
isn't. I'm not the technogeek I should be, I can't remember for the life
of me how to do intext links to pages.
B.
Douglas <uglygun@lightspeed.net>
Cowpie, Ca, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 03:35:46 (ZULU) (your
host address: 209.162.16.47)
Oh, I think I'll risk taking my buddy Bravo on. Call me foolhardy.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 03:46:10 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.77)
Et tu Brutae?
Your commentary on the stock 45's is great, but I would have capitolized
COMPETENT. After all, I did get one custom job. Shot accurate like you
wouldn't believe, when it went bang instead of click.
Now, as for contamination of data, I'm gonna completely bow to you.
I dunno anything about that. My contention is that I will carry a pistol
that meets the following criterion:
1. fits my hand and living style (weight/bulk/girth since I carry
ALL the time). No Desert Eagles ;-) This one is the hard one, cuts a BUNCH!
2. Has to go BANG! ALL the time. Not most, or some, or if I clean
it more often than 1000 rounds without oiling. Not that I want to carry
one in that condition, but 1000 rounds without oiling or cleaning is a
real confidence builder!
3. Has to be in a major caliber by my definition. If I were for
some reason limited to ball, NATO spec or otherwise, 9 would be out, as
well as 357 mag.
4. Has to have at least 6 rounds capacity (although I've bent that
with my 44 - 5 shot) with quick reloading capability.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
gettin' late, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 04:47:12 (ZULU) (your
host address: 209.180.85.171)
Bill Rodgers
But seriously. You won't meet a better person than Bill, and he
builds extremly accurate rifles. Ask anyone that has shot one.
I still haven't made a 1000 yard match yet. There are some matches
in our area that let you shoot F-class that the afore mentioned is supposed
to get me info for, but as you said he is a busy man. I do occasionally
(not occasionally enough by my own fault) shoot at Bill's 500 yard range
and am slowly learning to read wind.
If you get the chance ask Bill about his FUNNY GUNS. They look different,
but god do they shoot.
Enough for now.
Bill.
Bill Byford <byfords@otbnet.com>
IL, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 05:13:32 (ZULU) (your host address:
4.20.172.39)
Bill, RE Sig 220,
Mo-town, WV, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 05:13:38 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.100.242.3)
I am under the impression (and taught) that in the case of a combat
pistol round, the meaning of "stopping power" is defined as the amount
of energy that needs to be delivered on the body of a 95 Kilogram (about
200 lb roughly) opponent, at a range of 25 meters that is in the process
of charging you, carrying an assault rifle and dressed in full battle gear,
in order to stop him in his tracks, cold. Apart from the ability of the
round to expand properly thus imparting maximum counter-acting energy,
it also needs to reliably penetrate multiple layers of thick webbing from
an assault harness for example.
Ares <ares@ezo.net>
Canton, OH, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 05:31:51 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.93.225.209)
I am looking for a time of flight chart for Rem.168BTHP match if
anyone can help or direct me to a place I can find it i'd realy appreciate
it.
lee <lawman328@yahoo.com>
USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 05:53:48 (ZULU) (your host address:
216.80.209.84)
Bravo, my son, I carry a pistol everyday and have for the last twenty
years. I worked Detectives eight years (person crimes/sex/homicides) I
have investigated and or been involved in more than a few shootings. I
have seen bad guys take up to nine rounds of wonder nine. I saw one guy
take three and the only thing that knocked him down were my ex football
player moves. I do not want to hear "Please dont shoot me again" again.
The number of real world failures of the nine is only out numbered by the
reviews by half assed know it alls that have pieces of Cor.... ammo company
or other pushers of things likely to get cops killed. I do not care if
the name starts with San or ends in Boob, the nine sucks! It either goes
straight through or stops to soon.
MikeMiller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 06:04:10 (ZULU) (your host
address: 205.188.193.188)
Kush,
Germany - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 07:22:31 (ZULU) (your host address:
62.224.19.188)
Ok I'll bite,
Handguns.... finally something I can comment on from experience!
I'll back Bravo on this one. Say what you like about the combat
tupperware but those little Glocks will work EVERY time. I loved all of
mine before the powers that be decided handguns were far too dangerous
for us to be using for "sport" ('cause we weren't allowed them for any
other purpose) and took them off us. But hey I can get to learn all this
fun stuff with rifles and high capacity shotguns now ...go figure.
Never owned a Sig but knew a few people who did and I never heard
a bad word said against them. 1911's... great design but I've seen lots
that didn't work.
Calibre choice... Its your life you decide. If I lived or "worked"
in the U.S. then 9mm probably wouldn't be the best choice , but it wouldn't
be the worst by a long way unless you had to use ball.
Anywhere else in the world 9mm is easy to get hold of. I'd rather
have a full nine than an empty anything else.
for what its worth I'd go for the Harris in a heartbeat. I've seen
and used the Parker Hale/versapod and they wobble about like a....
well, like a very wobbly thing, I hated it. Get the knotched spring
out legs, I didn't and wish I had. But the swivel type is a must.
Mark Dougan <dougie@mill.co.uk>
London, UK - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 12:45:27 (ZULU) (your host
address: 212.113.7.83)
Dam Mike, I hope your foot heals FAST! :-) I know what you mean
about the LEA situation and their "training problems" We used t train then
and then there was a political decision that we train killers thus no more
LEA training is allowed.
Rick <rbowcher@aol.com>
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 12:49:00 (ZULU)
(your host address: 64.12.104.182)
Rick................. ;-)
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 13:03:44 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.213.52)
I'm casting my vote for the 1911s in .45ACP. I have a Kimber, Gold
Cup and a Glock 21 and I'll take the Kimber over all of them. Add a fast
Blade Tech holster and that great combat handgun training they offer at
SMTC and you can't go wrong. Practice what your taugh and practice often.
From a state that doesn't allow hollow points you can't beat 230 gr ball
for stopping power. And you can buy them for less than $200 per 1000. Allows
more time for loading those perfect 308s and 300s.
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Iselin, NJ, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 13:30:21 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.97.88.102)
Gooch,
No problem. I understand the trash that may come across here from
time to time. I actually enjoyed having to think back to my time in the
Pacific area (being 2nd MARDIV) most of my time in. Even on MSG they kept
me in Europe (Ich Sprache Deutch), so my 6 months in Oki and PI was refreshing.
Chuck
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 13:31:09 (ZULU) (your
host address: 38.2.209.21)
Gooch,
No problem. I understand the trash that may come across here from
time to time. I actually enjoyed having to think back to my time in the
Pacific area (being 2nd MARDIV) most of my time in. Even on MSG they kept
me in Europe (Ich Sprache Deutch), so my 6 months in Oki and PI was refreshing.
Chuck
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 13:31:18 (ZULU) (your
host address: 38.2.209.21)
OOOOOOOOOPS!
SUNNY TODAY CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 13:36:26
(ZULU) (your host address: 152.163.213.53)
On Handguns,
Buffalo , NY, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 14:29:06 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.26)
It's true that most 1911's come as just a bunch of parts thrown
together and not ready for reliable service (Kimbers excluded). But really,
it doesn't take all that much to check one out and make it right. It's
just a shame that they can't seem to do it at the factory. Sorry to say
that Colts have been really bad in recent years. Para Ordinance is putting
out a product so shabby it's a crime. To sell somebody such a piece of
junk and pretend that they might find it useful in defending their life--
it's criminal.
Ned <michigun@hotmail.com>
3R, MI, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 14:44:31 (ZULU) (your host
address: 207.89.143.20)
CDC,
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , NY, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 14:58:01 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.26)
Torsten...I recieved your e-mail reference the firefighting gear...my
e-mail is FUBAR right now, can't get a message to go out, So I'm answering
you here. Let me know when you see this...I won't be back at work til wednesday
and I'm not going west to fight fire this year, so I'll be around.
Cory <Ranger9@hotrmail.com>
Panama, Fl., USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 14:58:23 (ZULU) (your
host address: 158.252.73.117)
Cory,
Gotcha.Thanks for trying.
t
torsten <7.62@lasercon.de>
deutschland - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 15:18:44 (ZULU) (your host
address: 62.224.19.157)
Pistola Country!
USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 15:58:20 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.16.162.10)
Lee.
MV 2691fps
100 .116
200 .24
300 .374
400 .519
500 .677
600 .849
700 1.037
800 1.243
900 1.47
1000 1.724
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 16:15:13 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.157)
Oh yeah.
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 16:31:09 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.157)
Hi, Guys --
Mitch <malexander@lg.com>
Atlanta, GA, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 16:59:06 (ZULU) (your
host address: 208.21.35.1)
Mitch,
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , NY, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 17:20:35 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.78)
My opinions on pistols (if anyone cares): Kush is correct about
the problem with the 1911 and it's clones. I would prefer to buy an Auto-Ordinance
or Springfield and upgrade on my own. This way I haven't sunk too much
money into a Colt and ended up with the same pistol. I, too had a USP .40.
Never had anything break on it, but it would lose accuracy (as with the
Glock) when the lower reciever became light as my mag emptied. I've never
been a fan of the 9mm, but have to admit the HK P9 was one of the nicest
pistols I've fired. I just ordered the Douglas conversion to .460 Rowland
for my 1911-A1. I'll let everyone know how it is when I've installed and
fired it.
Chuck
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 17:58:17 (ZULU) (your
host address: 38.2.209.21)
Sigs: I like 'em. The one I had wouldn't jam, just didn't like thumb
cocking the piece. I left the Beretta 92F for the same reason. If you're
smart enough to do it, or have long enough fingers to get off an ACCURATE
double action shot, this is a great choice.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as the, USA - Monday, August 07,
2000 at 19:38:12 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
The Auto Ordinance 1911s are very cheesy. Now that Kahr Arms has
bought them, I won't be surprised if they start coming out on a par with
the Kimbers as the Kahrs exhibit a very high level of quality. They (Kahrs)
do suffer from the same malady as most of the rest of the industry though--
too many corners left sharp. Like an ill-tempered Siamese cat, they'll
make you bleed if you don't handle them with care. Other'n that they are
(in my experience) totally reliable right out of the box.
Ned <michigun@hotmail.com>
3R, MI, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 19:45:03 (ZULU) (your host
address: 207.89.144.213)
All right, you guys have made me curious. And of course I only learn
the hard way. So please let me in on this Kimber stuff. How many rounds
are they reliable (as in personal testing here....) I won't let go of my
45's, because I feel like I will one day find someone to make them wonderful,
and they're the best design there is. Really, if they're so great (which
I'm hearing a LOT of), I'll pick one up, or trade a Springfield for one,
I'd just like a little more info before plunking down my dough. Believe
it or not, I'm slightly slower (via a timer) with a 1911, but more accurate
at range (past 20 yards). Go figure. And I won't bring up pistols again
;-)
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
wondering about a new pistol, great to be in the, USA - Monday, August
07, 2000 at 19:50:15 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
Pistoles!; Sig: great gun in every way grip too small for this Injun's
hands. The 9 is a sweetie but too small to use in a gun fight. Too bad.
Sig is a sold weapon!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 19:57:42 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Chaps,
Ignorant reloading question:
I just bought a Lee auto-prime.
The instructions state in several places that only CCI or Winchester
primers are to be used in it.
Is this just marketing hype? -I wanted to use Federal.
(Apologies for such a banal question.)
Thanks
Matt
Matt <mt@mtwilks.fsnet.co.uk>
UK - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 20:03:24 (ZULU) (your host address:
195.92.198.80)
Matt: I've used Federals in mine, it's a great tool to prime with
while watching TV, and those 5.56's don't make a difference anyway when
plinking with a mini ;-)
Be aware though that the different brand primers are different heights.
As for myself, I like Winchesters because they run through progressives
easier.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
if beggers could ride, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 21:02:44 (ZULU)
(your host address: 12.9.223.170)
Gooch, count me in on a subscription.
USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 21:52:50 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.191.24)
I've used about every kind of primer they make in my Lee Auto Prime.
Brogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 22:05:44 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Bolt: Well, she'll probably hold on that one till she gets home.
Im the one here that has to take care of her gardens, pot-bellied pig,
donkeys and horses....whew!
I would benefit from: crappy weather, movers, and ranging a variety
of objects while moving.... man - I'm so blind :)
Nokesville, Va, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 22:11:11 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
My name is Aaron LaRue and I am a former Marine 0311. I served with
the 5th Marine regiment until I was honorably discharged in 1993.I am currently
writing a book on a Marine Scout Sniper and I have some technical issues
on long range shooting and sniping that I could use some help with. I am
also looking for people with experience in Vietnam, Panama, Columbia, The
Gulf War, and other wars or skirmishes the Marine Scout Sniper has been
involved with. I am not looking to steal anyone's personal memories and
put them into my book. I am looking for professional advice and 1st hand
descriptions of different combat theaters, methods of insertion, unit detachments
and so-on. I know that the military documentation is so bland that it will
not assist me in accurately painting the picture for my book. I do not
have any money to offer and I know there aren't many reasons I can give
you to help me. I have the utmost respect for combat veterans. I am discreet,
and my book will in no way dishonor the Marine Corps or the Scout Snipers,
in fact, I intend it to do the opposite. This request is all at your terms
and I will respect them if you choose to help me or not. I thank you for
your time.
Aaron LaRue
Aaron LaRue <gobragh1@home.com>
Dana Point , Ca, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 23:36:13 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.0.120.187)
D19;
Going prone with Calvin just doesn't sound right ....now does it
Bruce E <bgenlvtex@aol.com>
Texas, USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 01:13:50 (ZULU) (your host
address: 152.163.195.183)
Thanks for the info Gooch.If I could only get my agency to co-operate
as well I'd be in.I just found out about this forum you'llbe seeing more
of me I have alot to learn,and this seems to be the place.
Thanks Again Lee.
Lee <lawman328@yahoo.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 02:17:09 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.241.200.210)
Bolt: UUUGH? You've just decided to not buy a PowerStoke (or Cummins
if you prefer, they're both Fords) F-350 with super off road suspension,
and sell the grocery getter for a flashy, sexy Ferarri? What're you thinking?
:-)
Just let me know before you pull the trigger, I was a little close
to one before and got "surprised". Completely my fault. Of course, the
same has been said about my flash hider! With you carrying 230 FMJ, better
get that Jerry rifle LOL. You're right about the 19 though, never have
found a good powder for the compact. That's the wifies pistol, and the
entire reason I picked up the "plastic piece of crap" in the first place
(she had it when we met) as I never saw hers jam.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
learning the hard way, but first hand, USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000
at 02:50:19 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.248)
Lee auto-prime eats Federals like good candy. Dillon on the other
hand....
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 02:53:23 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.237.101)
Matt-The Lee Restriction to CCI and Winchester Primers has to do
with the energy of the Primer. Lee feels that the other brands are too
powerful for the manner in which the primers are held. If there is an accident
and the primers are ignited all 100 in the tray will go off. Pieces of
the primers will fly off. Lee feels the potential for serious injury with
the more energetic primers is substatially greater. I have never had a
primer go off in my press but have had a couple get crushed sideways. My
press has the optional explosion shield. At the least wear eye protection.
John Stranahan <JohnStranahan@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 03:18:34 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.195.182)
Bravo,
The book and authors you mentioned is right next to GWLE at my "throne"
for +P expulsives or LOL convulsives.
With that .41 M, the muzzle flash will crispy critter the rest of
the "crew" Nice Touch!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 03:27:25 (ZULU)
(your host address: 205.188.193.57)
I guess this is what happens when I don't check in on a place during
the day. I miss out in a major way. I guess I was too busy out shopping
for pistols today to be down reading the Roster.
1.) bastardized Springfield M1A(the one with the Ca. legal muzzle
break), this one may be added by name to the RobertiRoos 89 ban
2.) Bennelli M1 or M3 Super 90, may suffer same fate as the Springfield
M1A. Also considering a Remington 11/87PS
3.) Remington Sendero 300WinMag, this one should be available as
long as Ca. doesn't declare it to be too powerful to be sporting :(
4.) an Armalite AR10 24 inch T upper in 243 for doing some Yote
shooting with 70grn TNTs
Cowpie, Ca, USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 05:48:43 (ZULU) (your
host address: 209.162.46.232)
Gooch...I'm still in for the ILS too, sounds great. UH oh...we're
gonna get in trouble if we talk about Handguns again...I prefer the HK
line of hand blasters...I'm especially in love with my HK Tactical, but
I carry a HK USP in .45 daily and I do not find it too bulky for concealed
carry even here in balmy Florida in a Galco or Highnoon holster. The 185
gr. Sabers seem to perform well...It kind of goes back to the old question
of the definition of whats the best survival knife....It's what ever knife/gun
you have on you when you get in a survival situation. Glock seems to be
No.# 1 best seller in the Store here in P.C. followed by HK then the 1911
platform with Kimber being the prefered brand...We have had every flavor
of Kimber in the store at one time or another. All have had high customer
satisfaction. My Springfield was ammo sensative right from the start, and
required extensive tuning to get it up and running to the point I trust
it for CCW. The HK's run right out of the box with everything I throw in
it to shoot. Same with the Glocks. Every Glock in the Rental cabinet at
the store runs all week with little to almost no cleaning with all brands
of ammo we stock and rarely have stopages that can't be traced to operator
error, HK's are the same...I can't say that about any of the Springfields
we rent. I have to clean it every time it comes in off the range or I'm
spending way too much time listening to cutomers B***ch about it the next
time it goes out. A little note about the HK UMP in .45...we rent class
three weapons here and the UMP has roughly 7000 rounds of various brands
of .45 fodder through it now and it has yet to hiccup. It has NOT been
cleaned since we got it brand new in the store (on purpose, we want to
see what it will take) Runs like a champ...I can't wait til the .40 cal
gets to us!
Cory <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
Panama City, Fl., USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 06:41:57 (ZULU)
(your host address: 158.252.74.8)
WHOA! Sorry, was that a run on paragraph or what?? It is late here.
I'm out of brass to reload. Can't sleep. Think the neighbors will complain
if I go out in the yard to shoot tonight? LEMAY I'm still finding brass
from your AR in the Yard.
Cory <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
P.C. , FL., USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 06:58:06 (ZULU) (your
host address: 158.252.74.8)
There is a company in SG news (M-kspecialties) who offers re-welded
M-14 receivers and finished rifles in semi-auto. A friend of mine (master
welder) says their process is extensive and the integrety looks as good
as new. Any comments would be appreciated.
Russ Egan <DRNRA@aol.com>
Williamsburg, Va., USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 14:10:09 (ZULU)
(your host address: 205.188.196.29)
On Pistolas:
Mine came out of pawn shop for $225 and aside from the drop-in grip
saftey, remains box-stock, even the iffy springs. Runs with anything, perfectly,
every time.
Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Colatown, SC, USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 14:23:10 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.31.204.125)
Gooch:
Bruce <Bruce@mannlawfirm.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 14:53:57 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.16.162.10)
Gooch, as I said on email I am in for the newsletter. Guys this
is an opportunity. Very few newsletters of this type allow across the board
membership. This is something good.
Mike MIller <tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 15:53:48 (ZULU) (your host
address: 152.163.213.64)
B. Douglas: just watch out for the 357 sigs when loading. The ONLY
sig I've ever seen tied up on a firing line was in 357 sig. Now don't anyone
jump on me, let me finish! The guy who owned it was a long time shooter,
newbie reloader. Didn't get the shoulder pushed back enough is my opinion,
then the recoil spring tried to resize it in the chamber. When the loaded
round was finally extracted (under force), the casing had a LOT of shiney
on it where it looked like it was trying to be swaged.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly the glorious, USA - Tuesday, August 08,
2000 at 17:53:41 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
I own most of the guns (pistols) metioned by warious authors here,
and I would like to make some small comments.
Hk USP are good guns also, I have .45. In my expirience it had least
recoil if you compare with SIG, Glock and espechially 1911.
Also, it is very accurate.
HK <HenryK@marvineng.com>
Los Angeles, CA, USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 18:45:48 (ZULU)
(your host address: 206.165.39.11)
Okay, I don't know if this topic has been discussed, or if it is
one not talked about much, but I was wondering if there is any use for
a .22LR as a close up 'sniper' weapon. If so, what round would be best
to use?
Orion <orion_8472@hotmail.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 19:08:49 (ZULU) (your host address:
198.246.200.2)
Des,
You are looking for Cayley Carson at t18man@gateway.net
If you still have problems, email me and I'll pass the word to him.
Dave
Dave Lattomus <rl550@aol.com>
Wilmington, Delaware, USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 20:48:21 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.194.188)
Gentleman,
Jeff <japke@swbell.net>
Little Rock, AR, USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 21:21:34 (ZULU)
(your host address: 208.15.98.84)
Have been reading the comments about pistol preferences.
Jeff A. <d1k2l3@smyrnacable.net>
Smyrna, GA, USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 22:02:15 (ZULU) (your
host address: 139.76.64.4)
How many out there are using any type of barrel mirage bands. Used
to use them competitively in smallbore matches. I would think that in the
field they would be difficult to keep on and would snag. I have read places
where snipers are using them though. Any thoughts.
Brack <brackett@massed.net>
USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 22:27:17 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.6.68.48)
Pistol bullets such as the 230 grain ball can cause you problems
because of that sweet nose that feeds so well. It will deflect on bone
once the bullet begins to slow down inside the body. It can deflect on
objects and hit innocents more often than the hollow point bullets like
the excellent Hornady hollow points and many others. Hollow points don't
expand much in bodys but they do tend to track better and not deflect so
much. It can also simply part the meat and continue on without doing much
damage. IF you value your life stay with a good sharp edged and large holed
hollow point with a fairly hard jacket.
Pete' I like the old 41 because it's range is 200 yards and it's
man accurate out there. IF the other guy does happen to have a rifle ...well
I won't feel so bad while they are burying me. AT least I tried. Policemen
won't carry that thing on duty but it fits nicely in a jeep. It's the cowboy
way! Got a nice Javelina (close to a world record) that didn't know the
range of a 41 went to 125 yards at least.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 23:11:23 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Ares-
Invisible Cretinizer?. . .i didn't get that model, however i did
get the one with a transmogrifier on it, it goes from .308 to 105mm in
.43 seconds, forget those arty calls!
"Going prone with Calvin"? Sure doesn't sound right, you got me
there, i'll keep that perspective in mind when I name my next rifle.
Thanks for the info, much appreciated! Perhaps I will see you up
there sometime.
DE, USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 23:13:06 (ZULU) (your host address:
204.183.91.5)
Jeff, The Springfield will work but you can do a 3.5X10X40 mildot
Leupold for about the same price. IT will do the job for you. IF you can
do it all up front buy you a 3.5X10X40 and put the Mildots in later. Just
my 2 cents too.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 23:14:36 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
IOR Binos, 7x40 or 10x40 for field work? 10x50 for spotting deeries
at 400+? Any opinions?
USA - Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 23:50:28 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.40.85)
I'm not going to make any comments on pistols (like I said), this
is a comment on my preferred round in the 45 ACP. Now, we all know that
John Browning designed the 1911 to be used with a 200 grainer at 1000 fps,
which I prefer personally. Only my 200 grainers are the Speer "flying ashtray"s.
Or for those of you in other areas of the country the "flying ashcan".
I use AA#5 and Starline brass (I LOVE Starline!!) and Winchester primers.
1000 fps is EASY, and a mild load. The solids I use for practice are 200
gr truncated cones. Love them too! I'd love it if the Army hadn't forced
the thumb safety into the design though.
Mess Master Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
Hmmm, maybe a Browning in 40...., USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000
at 00:04:07 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.235)
Jeff,
I own a Springfield 2nd Gen scope and it has some good points. I
would double ring it, though. The range finding is decent but time consuming
and I found it works best in conjunction with your own range estimation.
The calculated drops are reasonably close to 600 yards (which is as far
as I've shot with it), with a 168gr match round (usually a Federal or Hornady
TAP). If you're using it for hunting, you'll have to compensate if you're
using soft-point or heavier rounds, though I doubt it would be much greater
of a drop. Hope it helps in your decision. Feel free to ask me any specific
questions you have on it.
Chuck
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 01:08:53 (ZULU)
(your host address: 63.253.149.173)
Bravo: The (damned) Army forced that stupid grip safety. The thumb
safety is Browning's. It slows the trained pistolero down by a total of
zero seconds. That same pistolero misses releasing the safety with a probability
of zero. The guy will accidentally reengage the safety with a probabilty
of zero. Take the training, then judge.
USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 01:13:17 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.73)
Gooch - your hotmail is bouncing like flubber.... says you got too
much stuff in your mailbox... when you get tired of that s**t - give me
a yell...
Maybe I'm concentrating too hard and superimposing a reticle on
the picture in my brain housing group... how's that for a half-assed theory?
Nokesville, Va, USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 01:30:17 (ZULU)
(your host address: 207.233.164.10)
Ken...
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 02:04:21 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
"and Jupiter aligns with Mars" Moon phases, angles, geez! Sounds
like the 70's! Oh wow man, rolllll another one, just liiiiike the other
one, etc. Peace brother.
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 03:23:14 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.189.120)
Well, thanks to Patron 'Lito, I'm starting a ghillie suit. It's
a DIY type, and I'm guessing that it's Afghani (at least the instructions
say something about a afghan, you know me, I don't read instructions) in
origin. Now if I can get this "knit one knit two knit three, pearl one"
thing down, I should have a rather nice diamond patterned suit not too
long from now. Now, I'm not going to use the bright colors in the illustration
though, looks too much like a quilt or something. Must have been for autumn
in deciduous tree country. Hey, this isn't a ruse or anything to get Kent
to be able to spot me easy is it? Heck, I'm already at a disadvantage,
I'm gonna use a BFA if I can find one.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
Sorry guys, been in the Bravo Brew, USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000
at 03:55:49 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.163)
On the use of deadly force:
Depity Dave <dprolls@access.mountain.net>
Trying to dry out, somewhere in Beautiful but extreamly WET, West Virginia,
USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 04:58:26 (ZULU) (your host address:
198.77.39.103)
Bravo and .45s:
Colatown, SC, USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 05:00:11 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.31.204.125)
Tom, LOL. Took the Para Ord down completely the other night and
it finally dawned on my why the smith I knew hated tuning Series80 1911
triggers. Like you mentioned, them things have a lot of little parts.
B. Douglas <uglygun@lightspeed.net>
Cowpie, Ca, USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 06:04:47 (ZULU) (your
host address: 209.162.23.81)
Ken,
dark at 21:15 ????? Boy are you down south ! We have sunset tonight
at 21:06 ! When we shot in Poland in June the range was available until
22:00. Which left us shooting just after sunset.
Also give yoursellf at least 30 - 45 minutes of darkness to adjust
for night vision.
germany - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 06:29:42 (ZULU) (your host
address: 62.224.19.168)
Guy´s
germany - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 12:24:29 (ZULU) (your host
address: 62.224.19.91)
Hey Bravo,
Maybe it would help your knitting if you get a rocking chair. Kinda
get you in a rythmn. LOL.
Been meaning to e-mail you about some stuff but hard to get the
time.
Hopefully soon.
John <jhugdahl@pressenter.com>
WI, USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 12:34:08 (ZULU) (your host
address: 209.100.170.78)
Ken,
because the Moon travels around Earth in an elliptical orbit. At
perigee, the point at which the Moon is closest to Earth, the distance
is approximately 360,000 km. At apogee, the point at which the Moon is
farthest from Earth, the distance is approxi-mately 405,000 km.
germany - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 13:07:35 (ZULU) (your host
address: 62.224.19.203)
I wasn't going to get into this one but IMO one of the best pistols
out there has not been talked about, yes I am ready for the flames, and
it is the S&W 6906. When I carried a pistol all the time I bought one
of these when they first came out and I shot it a bunch. It has "NEVER"
failed with any ammo that I used. I finely setteled on Win. Black Talon
but it will eat anything encluding empty cases. I don't carry anymore and
the gun has not been shot for several years but I am sure if it was called
upon today it would work just fine. I am not sold on the 9mm, I much prefer
a big heavy revolver "HAND LOAD" to any auto round, but the Black Talon
sadly has been proven to be a man stopper.
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
Jerry
Rice <nor-cal@worldnet.net>
American Canyon, CA, USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 14:51:14 (ZULU)
(your host address: 12.72.65.241)
Whats all this with feeding empty cases? I don't get it????? I have
seen pistols feed empty cases yet not hardball or duty rounds.
Is it a reduced weight training thing? Throw me a bone here folks!
Big City, By-Gawd, USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 15:14:06 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.197.196)
MikeM:
Bruce <Bruce@mannlawfirm.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 16:43:46 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.16.162.10)
Jerry; I must agree with you if it doesn't detract from your credibility
too much. The Smith Autos are the most underrated pistols going. (don't
know the other one you mentioned yet!) The big single stack .45 auto was
an excellent but oversized firearm. Ultra reliable.
Dave; I agree with you also that is a good rule of thumb but a bad
rule of law because it's hard to say just when an attacker is going to
stop and just what is going to stop him. A jury left to decide what is
prudent would do just as good job in determining when too much force was
in affect. In this state you may protect yourself with or any other person
with what ever force you need if it is determined your life or any other
person's is in danger. It is abused enough as is by the liberal court systems.
The Colorado "make my day law is clear but even that is abused." I know
your heart is in the right place but these new age juries and judges tsk...tsk...
gotta watch what you wish for. Too much judging after the fact on individuals
and law officers these days. Laws should pull up short of trying to cover
the situation absolutely. That's what juris prudence is all about... Bruce
is that what I'm trying to say?
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 17:23:14 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
If I may interject an opinion on the appropriate use of handloads
in relation to defending ones actions in court: Bill R & Mike M have
both touched on an area often overlooked- the jury. Be it civil suite or
criminal court, the perception the jurors form can be more damning than
the letter of the law. Jurors are housewives and businessmen/ they are
human & no matter how many times they are told to stick to the facts-
images of a blood thirster killer cooking up horribley specialized loads
in some deep dark crevice of their basement(put their by the DA/Family
of the deceaseds(?) attorney will stick.
As to heavily/home modified weapons. Best to buy it off the shelf
at Walmart or from a company the average Joe has heard of & may have
done business with. Rather a 21" barreled "Trukey Special 870" than a pistol
gripped shotgun that has been sawn down in your basement.
It IS better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6/ better still
to be acquitted by 6...
Bill Moore <lmalterna@aol.com>
Goodview, Va, USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 17:56:19 (ZULU) (your
host address: 151.199.82.102)
Depity Dave: I like Novak's work on their full blown pistols, but
not their piecemeal stuff. Everyone knows that the Officers ACP has a weakness
in the spring plug, so I sent mine (completely stock except the grips and
grip screws) to Novak's to have the Kings reverse plug / rod deal put in
(a machining proposition). When it came back, the frontstrap had a crease
/ ding in it (moderately small, but very noticable!) and the Kings oversized
bushing sets noticably to one side. Functional? Other than a burr right
under my middle finger, it's functional, with ball. Cosmetics? NOT!
Glock: faster from the holster, quicker split times, and less accuracy
at range.
Beretta: slower from the holster, slower splits, and better accuracy.
A cohort told me that watching both pistols in recoil, it was easy
to see why the Beretta was slower, the muzzle rose more! As for the good
/ bad accuracy, there was 1 point down difference on the Beretta(virtually
all in the zone with both, but larger groups), and BARELY slower. "Full
Size 36!" is now my new battle cry ;-)
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
knit four knit five, oh damn! unravel....., USA - Wednesday, August
09, 2000 at 18:00:27 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
09 Aug 2000
Damascus, MD, USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 18:51:08 (ZULU) (your
host address: 131.158.166.157)
Question: I just closed on a new house recently and I'd like to
build a reloading work bench setup in the basement. Anyone know where I
can get plans and material list for building something? Books? Web page?
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Iselin, NJ, USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 19:54:50 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.97.88.102)
O.K., I've read the the info and great debates about the Savage
Tactical in .308 & .223, now does anyone have info and opinions about
the Howa 1500 w/ 24" heavy barrel(in .308 or .223). My local shop is saying
it has a smoother action than the Savage, and with match grade ammo (in.308)
you can get 1/2" groups @ 100yards. The rifle feels more balanced and less
barrel heavy than the Savage, but I would like some other info about the
Howa's.
Richard Stark <navelman@hotmail.com>
Fresno, CA, USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 21:58:53 (ZULU) (your
host address: 209.142.51.160)
Lads:
James R. Jarrett <jrjarrett@hotmail.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 23:04:24 (ZULU) (your host address:
207.66.20.32)
Richard,
My Savage Tac. gets 1/2 MOA at 200yds with Rem. 150 gr Hunting bullets.
With match bullets, I've seen it go under 1/2 MOA @ 100yds. I'm waiting
to set up my reloader on my new bench before I take it out to 600. Sorry,
don't know anything about Howas.
On .22 sniping, I don't know as much as these guys do, but my .22
WMR Marlin model 25MN gets nice groups @ 200yds with CCI ammo. Its great
for stalking around in the woods and shooting at silhouettes as opposed
to the noise difference of the .308 (got to respect my neighbors' peace
of mind, or whats left of it).
d19 <desdichado19@hotmail.com>
DE, USA - Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 23:23:22 (ZULU) (your host
address: 204.183.91.5)
James: "committed homeloaders". Now that's a new label for me, and
just as you helped me out with the "radical" pocket Constitution, I'm gonna
take that tag too. I call it something other than reloads, because the
difference between my plinking and competition rounds and my "for real"
rounds is the brass and primer. Either way it's the same technically, Winchester
primers, but with the game loads it's in Federal re-used brass, and the
"my neck" loads it's factory laquer sealed in brand new brass. For exactly
the same reason you stated. Of course, I also drop each round into a gauge
to check. Now the odd part: I've only had a problem with revolver rounds
(so I check them IN the revolver), never in an auto round. I guess I might
add "contientous" to the "committed homeloader", but I'll take my rounds
over factory any day, but only for the price difference. Didn't do too
bad with the M-118LR clones out there, even in NATO brass!
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
On a search for a reliable 45 auto, USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000
at 00:01:36 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.146)
Finish on REM 700P
I know this has probably been on here before but I can't find it.
Does anyone know how to touch up the finish on the barrel of a REM 700P?
The factory finish seems to be kinda soft. THANKS Doug
Doug <dkb@pcpartner.net>
USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 00:28:00 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.152.104.152)
Richard,
I have to agree with you on the Savage FP. I get some really tight
groups using 168gr. match and TAP ammo. I did find the original synthetic
stock a bit light, so I dropped it into the Choate (Maj. Plaster) stock.
A great improvement and well worth the money to Cabela's. It's a great
combination if you don't have alot of money to spend, or like to do your
own build-ups, (like my 1911). The only two problems I have are trigger
pull (if someone knows of a good drop-in trigger please let me know) and
ejecting surplus military rounds, which seem to swell upon firing. Decent
ammo cycles smoothly.
Are you from Buffalo or further east? Like Oswego county? I'm still
trying to figure out if I know you.
Chuck
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 01:27:42 (ZULU)
(your host address: 63.253.149.239)
Please, your best advise.
But over the last 7.5 years of 10 I've been in Germany (where there's
few English speaking rifle enthusiasts and fewer ranges now a days) and
too busy. Got the HK, the AR15, and the Garand, where do I go from here
if not the M-14/M1A? Looked into the FN but what's the accuracy like compared
to the M1A? Can't find data, and Bolt actions don't appeal to me at this
time where semi's are evermore at risk for leagality.
William Bajcz <cptbajcz@yahoo.com>
Middletown, RI, USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 02:52:58 (ZULU)
(your host address: 198.26.122.13)
No no Smelly brew man!~ What James said was "should be committed"
pertaining to you. Actually in my infinite wisdom I believe the best gun
to use to shoot somebody under questionable circumstances is the favorite
"custom target piece" Jury understands "target shooters" and "hunters"
or maybe even that old gun grandpa gave you when he died at O.K. Corral,
that's a nice touch.... with big accent on the T.
Do I sound jaded?
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 02:56:40 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
"Doc" King forgot to mention Tac-Ord donated a .300 Win Mag custom
rifle for the Carlos Hathcock Memorial Match at Storm Mountain Training
Center this past October. My "glance" at it was filled with very impressive
detail and craftmanship, and envy of the lucky winner.
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 03:06:35 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.197.212)
IcyDeath....Reference Trigger for the Savage 110FP. Brownells carries
a drop in trigger. It is manufactured by Rifle Basix, and is listed as
the Savage Custom Trigger. The unit is adustable for pull weight, sear
engagement and overtravel. Model SAV-1 is adjustable from 3lbs. to 1 1/2
ibs. Mod. SAV-2 is adjustable from 1 1/2 lbs. to 8oz. and it available
for the 110 long action and 10 short. I will admit that I used to shoot
Savages, they make great trainers, and I have passed them to my Son for
his enjoyment. Get rid of the heavy Plaster stock and try Zero's laminate
tactical stock, configured like a Mcmillan A-2 and they only weigh 3 lbs.
the Rifle Basix trigger from Brownells retails for about 80 clams. I think
the Zero Tac stock retailed for about 275 or there-a-bout.
Cory Wilson <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
Panama City, Fl, USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 03:35:03 (ZULU)
(your host address: 158.252.73.58)
William Bajcz: M1A/AR-10 has been hashed to re-hash death. If you
want, get ahold of me, and we can go over it. I'll be fair guys, no, no
really! Welcome home.
Brew Master Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the cold brewing capitol of the, USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000 at
04:13:59 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.142)
The following is an excerpt from FM 23-10. I find it hard to beleive
that accuracy standard...what is that, just about 2MOA? Damn ...My plain
old 700vs and handloads have managed to keep 1 MOA out to 400 yds. I bet
it will go moa to 600....just don't have room. I would hope the military
sees to it our men have equipment that is far above these accuracy standards.
Has anyone fired this ammo in an accurized rig? I'm hopeing it is considerably
better than 12" at 550M! Or am I deluded about real world accuracy?
south central, Michigan, USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 04:57:15
(ZULU) (your host address: 207.87.215.230)
After posting my Howa question I found out that Interarms is no
more, and have sold the left-over parts for all their products(Howa, Rossi,
Walther) to Guntek. I would still like to hear any helpful info about Howa's
reliability, accuracy etc. Thanks Everyone!
Richard Stark <navelman@hotmail.com>
Fresno, CA, USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 05:17:49 (ZULU) (your
host address: 152.163.213.79)
Str8shot...
USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 10:39:38 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Howa rifles;' The Howa is the same rifle as the Weatherby Vanguard
for all practical purposes. It is a fairly sound sction and could probably
be fairly accurate. I've shot and used them and they are better than some
not as good as others. Japanese made of course. But not to be confused
with the Mark Weatherby. I found out of the box Howa is not as good as
say... Remington ADL or Savage rifles. The action feeds good and the bolt
works OK triggers are so..so. Blue and workmanship good to VG. Stock fit
is not bad. 5 shots in 1.5 minute is typical to better than average for
this gun. A dependable piece.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 11:59:43 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
>>sportsmansguide.com has Tasco 3-9x40 Mil-Dot scopes for $89.97
USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 12:16:16 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.57)
Thanks for the replys on the reloading benches... The Holumber benches
that Dillon offer appear to be what I need and it will save a lot of time
and aggrevation from building one from scratch.
Iselin, NJ, USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 12:31:36 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.97.88.102)
>>sportsmansguide.com has Tasco 3-9x40 Mil-Dot scopes for $89.97
D. Hurley <DenHurley@aol.com>
Tyler, Texas, USA - Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 19:36:10 (ZULU) (your
host address: 172.140.236.170)
Well, since it's such a slow day, I'll stir the pot a little. UPS.
Ubiquitous Pistol Stealers. First time to ship a pistol since the "LAW"
was enacted (more on that later), and it SUCKS! Cost me $36.85 to send
it off, not counting the half hour hastle they gave my wife. The snotnosed
kid there told her it was now a "law that everyone ship pistols next day
air, all shippers have to do it". So, she quickly snapped "yeah, something
about deterring THEFT, wasn't it?" to which she got a "no, it's not about
that". This is the same kid that wouldn't let her send that AP to Patron
'Lito without a 20 minute fight, because "UPS doesn't carry ammo, it's
too dangerous". Or let me ship my rifle to Geoff without a MAJOR hastle.
Seems he wanted me to transfer it to Geoff through "gun shops", no mention
of FFL's! To save grief, the AR upper and lower were "machined aluminum
parts", I figure he'd call the cops if I said it was AR recievers. Now
what makes sense: A stock to McMillan costs $6.85, the AR (with LOTS of
bubble wrap in an oversized box) costs $7.60, and a pistol costs $36.85?!?!?
No wonder I've gone to Fed Ex for everything that I can. Problem is, this
podunk town is so small, there's no Fed Ex station, so I have to send my
stuff through the warehouse at work. Since my job is more important than
shipping stuff, I still have to use oops for my "prohibited materials"
(didn't want to try to explain a riflestock). Now to top it all off, I
called the supervisor at the UPS station, and he says they're now REQUIRING
one party to have a FFL if shipping a firearm, even though it isn't LAW!
Ship a rifle to Geoff? NOPE! Can he ship it back? NOPE! Not by UPS anyway.
From here on out, I'm driving the 60 miles south to take EVERYTHING to
Fed Ex. At least until they start screwing me over too.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
mad at pistol stealers in the, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 00:05:01
(ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.194)
This is my first visit to Sniper Country. Was given the address
by a phone answerer at Thunder Ranch and was told ammunition was available
at this sight. Am looking for .308 Black Hills 168 gr. moly-coat match
for their Precision Rifle course. Where do I find it in snipercountry.com?
Reg
Reg Cranford <rsc@crcom.netWas
>
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 00:15:04 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.239.25.237)
So, the default .308 load is Varget/175 SMKs. No argument from me.
Works fine. Now, what's the default .300 win load?
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 00:21:33 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.237.100)
Hello everyone,
My ghillie needs some renovation in some wear areas. Does anyone
have a source for different types of material? I had been using jute burlap
with some undyed canvas thrown in here and there, but would like something
that "flows" a little better. I'm quite attached to my old ghillie (and
don't want to "break in" a new one), so I'd like some ideas on materials.
All of my old buddies are out of the Corps or have taken less troublesome
MOS's (Family life and such) so I'd like a civilian source. The women at
the "Yard Barn" always give me a funny look. Thanks for your help.
Orange Park, Fl,, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 01:10:09 (ZULU)
(your host address: 63.253.148.237)
So now we're "monitored" by the crew at TR. Cool. What's that make?
Uh, about everyone!
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
Lupita, Lupita, Lupita!, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 01:34:46
(ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.160)
Lito,
John <jhugdahl@pressenter.com>
Hudson, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 01:59:48 (ZULU) (your host
address: 209.100.170.171)
Well Chuck,
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , NY, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 02:32:47 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.137)
Burlap searchers! Try your local feed and grain stores and also
plant nurseries and landscapers. Some fish wholesalers down towards the
coast has burlap also. Course may attract every cat in the neighborhood.
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 03:13:33 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.59.65)
On the black hills you can contact Ryden, Inc at (304)446-5526.:-)
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 03:13:43 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.183)
Desert night cammies are kinda dark. The regular 5 color deserts
work pretty good.
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 03:27:51 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.183)
I'M CONSIDERING A GOOD RIFLE FOR MY WIFE(95lbs 5'2") FOR "ALABAMA
WHITETAIL"
AS IT WON'T BE A SHOT OVER 150yds I WAS CONSIDERING A RUGER MINI-30
OR A MINI-14 RECHAMBERD FOR .300 WHISPER I AM ALSO IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
MAY BE USING IT AS A DUTY WEAPON.
CAN ANY ONE SWAY ME EITHER WAY ?
7.62X39 OR .300 WHISPER ???
Gregory Brian Harris <ghoost20396@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 04:46:51 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.12.188.113)
do marine snipers have to have good eye sight?
rc <mavrick472@aol.com>
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 08:23:23 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.194.177)
The whisper is too whimpy for Whitetails. A whitetail is a tough
animal regardless of what some think. The Mini 30 will probably be the
best of the two. Unless there is a compelling need for sub sonic in your
work the 7.62X39 would work better there. I would use the same load for
both jobs.
Something in a expanding bullet. And the recoil of either is quite
managable. Be sure to get the ranch version of those rifles so you
can mount a scope securely. Even that close a scope or Aimpoint will be
needed in the woods.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 12:17:20 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Guys,
If you are looking for Burlap, try your local Walmart's fabric section.
They usually got it in several different colors, but I just use the "Natural"
color, and dye it. For just a jacket/veil combo, it will take about 4 yards
of burlap. They also sell Rit Dye so you can get just the right color for
your area.
In their sporting goods section they usually have some realtree
camo blind material that I dye green, and then cut into different shapes,
and add it to the jacket and veil.
ky, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 12:56:11 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.197.211)
I also found most of the stuff for my under construction Ghillie
at Wally World. + paint and stencils. CHEAP!
A local gunstore had Advantage RealTree burlap for about 5 bucks
per yard x 54" wide (approx.) Two fabric shades light and dark.
LEARNING THE ZEN OF GRASS SEEDING, BYGAWD, USA - Friday, August 11,
2000 at 13:46:04 (ZULU) (your host address: 205.188.197.42)
Hey guys,
Has anyone used Camo'd burlap? I saw some at Wal-mart last night
also. I'm looking in my Cabela's catalog now and they have 4 or 5 different
patterns, all in 54" x 16' rolls. Does anyone have any preferences? Any
ones that don't work well? Some of them look awfully dark. I have an old
set of Cami trousers (sun-dyed in Oki) that I was thinking about shredding
and throwing in here and there. Has anyone done this and had it look OK?
Thanks for your help, I think I'll pass on the fish-market burlap. If I
wanted my ghillie to smell like fish I'd let my girl-freind wear it!!!
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 14:26:58 (ZULU) (your
host address: 38.2.209.21)
Burlap: Usually you can buy different camo patterns in 3 foot wide
lenghts cut from large spools at sporting goods stores that are big into
quality bow hunting items. This way you can cut strips to any desired length.
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Woodbridge, NJ, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 14:46:43 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.97.88.102)
Seems that Glock is "monitoring" as well. HOWDY GASTON! Oh, the
fun people we meet when we complain about the notable absence of the "full
sized 36!". Did I mention we needed one badly?
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
Bravo Brew - the unofficial beer of Sniper Country, USA - Friday, August
11, 2000 at 14:58:42 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
Cory
LEMAY <lemayj@mdot.state.mi.us>
MICH, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 15:05:19 (ZULU) (your host address:
204.24.102.133)
Greetings!!
Omaha, NE, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 17:22:32 (ZULU) (your host
address: 164.119.13.9)
Alright, I know this is the "enemies weapon", but does anyone know
how well a Romanian Romak-3 Dragonov would be as a 'sniper rifle'? I think
they use 7.62X54 rounds. Anyone have any experience or knowledge of these?
I realize that the Romak-3 isn't a TRUE Dragonov, but I don't have several
thousand dollars either! :)
Orion <orion_8472@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 18:54:52 (ZULU) (your host address:
198.246.200.2)
Can someone email me the name of a place to purchase Federal match
ammo in 175gr 308. I am trying to find the best deal available out there.
Who has the best prices??
chase <varmintpro@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 19:03:34 (ZULU) (your host address:
167.234.101.253)
Orion,
The 7.62x54R catridge is the old Russian/Soviet cartrige developed
for their bolt-action rifle (Mosins, etc.) in the late 19th century, I
believe. They used it through WWII as their main cartrige. Soviet sniper
doctrine was explained to me as being able to hit man-sized targets, vice
the Able sized targets of the US. That said, the Druganov and copies are
reliable and weather-proof for automatics, easy to maintain and the Romanians
aren't too shabby of a copy. The ammo is cheap and plentiful, but corrosive.
I've also heard that the instructions for the illuminated-recticle scope
are not in English. I prefer bolt-actions for sniping, but that's just
me.
Thanks for your help, pal.
Chuck
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 19:48:14 (ZULU) (your
host address: 38.2.209.21)
Orion,
More on the 7.62x54R Soviet round. 146gr. has a muzzle vel. of 2950
fps -- 2320 fps at 300yds, energy of 2820 ftlbs at muzzle -- 1740 ftlbs
at 300yds./// 180gr. muzzle vel. of 2580fps and 2000fps at 300yds---energy
of 2650 ftlbs at muzzle and 1590 ftlbs at 300 yds. With a zero at 200yds
I'm showing a traj. of -4.4 at 300yds and -17.7 at 400yds using the lighter
round and a traj. of -9.8 at 300yds and -28.5 at 400. Hope this helps.
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 20:19:06 (ZULU) (your
host address: 38.2.209.21)
As far as Lieberman is concerned, if you want to keep your guns
then you better not vote for him. He might vote like a republican on some
issues but as far as gun control he is as liberal as they get. I've written
him on many occasions because he's my senator and he doesn't see anything
wrong with registration and licensing. He also backs the newest push for
taxing handguns under the same system as automatic weapons. Of course the
tax isn't as high but you sure as hell have to register all your guns.
Just some info incase any of you were actually thinking of voting for him.
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 20:24:19 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.205.81)
Sawry Bill Rogers, I ownlee gradiated frum Parkland High and East
Carlolina Univercity and them teechers didnant teech me much abaout spelin.
However;
Have thought about sewing two 70 oz. bladder pockets on a custom
suspender on the bottoms that will have the bladders on both sides of the
the suit under the arms. Will eliminate a hump on the back.
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 21:03:14 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.191.169)
Here's some interesting Lieberman reading from Gunsafe which is
a Gun Rights group in CT:
running mate demonstrates Vice-President Gore's determination to
protect Americans from
unnecessary gun violence.
thoughtful legislator. Senator Lieberman voted for the Brady Law,
for the assault weapons ban, and for
the Lautenberg Amendment last May that would completely close the
gun-show loophole. It was that
vote, by the way, in which Vice President Gore broke the Senate's
tie, indicating again that the Vice
President's vote on always hard-fought gun issues can be a critical
one.
allowing the manufacture of plastic guns, is wildly out of the mainstream
on the gun issue. Joe
Lieberman, whose dedication to keeping guns out of the hands of
children and criminals could not be
stronger, reflects the views of his Connecticut constituents, but
also of more than 80% of the American
people.
weapons ban, which sunsets in 2004. He must decide whether he will
do the NRA's bidding and support
a law allowing the national carrying of concealed weapons, or do
everything he can to prevent more
hidden handguns on our streets. He may be asked to decide whether
to allow the lawsuits of more than
30 cities and counties against an irresponsible gun industry to
go forward to the judgment of the courts,
or to pre-empt them by legislative fiat.
Democratic ticket reinforces our view that, for those who want to
reduce gun violence in America, the
stakes could not be higher, nor the choice clearer. We commend Vice
President Gore for his sound
choice, and for the mainstream values of the Gore-Lieberman ticket."
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 21:11:01 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.192.41)
Bolt: you're screwed. Fire both and you'll never sell either one
;-)
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as the proud, USA - Friday, August
11, 2000 at 21:19:35 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
I know what you're saying Bravo because I'd vote for Keyes too but
if it's between Bush/Chenny or Gore/Lieberman I think that's a no brainer.
I won't waste a vote on any third party because that's how Bush lost in
92 and we got Clinton. Yes there are better people for the job than the
two choices but if you think one of them is going to get elected you are
fooling yourself. Vote for Bush and hope for the best. Here's a letter
from Lieberman if anyone's still not convinced:
Registration Act of 2000, which was introduced by Senator Jack Reed
of Rhode Island.
of the United States. Instead, we must fight crime with tough sentences
that are aimed at deterring repeat criminal offenders; and we must work
to keep guns out of the hands of children.
currently in private possession, and would make it a felony for
any person to transfer a handgun to another individual without prior law
enforcement approval. Background checks would be performed on all primary
and secondary transfers, including retail sales, gun shows, Internet sales,
and all private sales.
under the 1934 National Firearms Act (NFA). The NFA requires registration
of all machine guns,
short-barrel shotguns and short-barrel rifles, silencers, bombs,
grenades, and other specialized weapons. The NFA is administered by the
U.S. Department of the Treasury's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
reduce gun violence among America's youth.
lieberman.senate.gov.
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 21:30:10 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.192.41)
This is by far the best Sniper website I have ever seen! I got more
information about Sniping and Snipers in the first half hour on your site
then I have in the 17 years I've been in the military. Keep up the great
work guys and I will definiately be back!!!!
John K. Adams <john_a_60477@yahoo.com>
Tinley Park, IL, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 21:34:59 (ZULU) (your
host address: 165.236.196.21)
Seriously: What is the first powder/bullet combination to try in
a .300 Win?
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 22:52:05 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.91)
CDC: you know I don't know squat about the mag, but I've always
wanted something to shoot those 240 MK's in. I doubt that it would stabilize
them though. If someone who knows says it will, that'd be what I played
with! Since 'Lito's 30-06 does so well with the 190's, why not try a box
of 200's and 220's (if the stabilization equation works). From what I understand,
the reason the 300 mag was written off way back when was because of a lack
of supplies, not capability. Now we got the supplies ;-)
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
playing the "what if" game, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 23:14:48
(ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.190)
Bolt, if your talking about using military sleeping mat as pads
on your suit - be careful. I tried it. Yes, it did provide great protection
but it was far too stiff and rigid to allow proper movement. Plus you still
get a bunch of chafing.
CCaspers <deltavkps@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 23:29:09 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.3.225.76)
Orion and Romak-3 "Dragunov":
has always been facinated by straight-pull actions.
Colatown, SC, USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 00:00:53 (ZULU) (your
host address: 129.252.167.152)
I am looking for M118 speciaal ball sniper rounds with 173 grain.
If you have any information on how to get this amo I would apreciate it.Also
I am looking for a new stock for my savage 10fp. I don't like the ultimate
sniper, I don't know what it is about it I just don't want my rifle to
look like the Dragunov SVD. I like th H.S stocks like the M24 systems.
Pleease e mail me with any info you have. What are good mounts to put on
a Tasco supersnioer 10X42m
Jeremy Darnell <mercenary848@aol.com>
Fayettenahmn, NC, USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 02:55:29 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.206.204)
Rick,
Leupold Tacticals, Bausch & Lombs discontinued 10x Tactical,
or even a Taaa, Taas, TTTaaasco would be a better bet.
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 03:07:27 (ZULU)
(your host address: 205.188.196.47)
Delta Bravo ;-) figgered something out. It's not mini's or +P+ 115
9's you hate, it's the Illinois highway patrol! They use 'em both. Real,
but JOKE! BTW, traced the deal about PT gods using them also. Came from
Marchinco's stuff, team 6 way back when. If you believe that stuff.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
prepping for the Guatamalan invasion of the, USA - Saturday, August
12, 2000 at 04:25:04 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.156)
Bolter man;Don't overlook the Mosin Nagant 7.62X54. There are some
excellent specimens for cheap prices. The Carbine is light and more accurate
than you would believe until you shoot it. The 8mm Mauser 98 has my pick
for looks and workmanship it's a great rifle. But the Mosin is usually
accurate to 1.5 minute or better with junk ammo.
know and trust have praised it and others have condemned it. I wish
I had tried it.
USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 04:46:13 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
I mean piss "ant" not "aunt" well I had a aunt like that but anyway!
Bolt see how you have corrupted my 3rd grade education! You lower our standards...tsk
tsk! I want to report him PeteR! He's bringing me down! He'll have me mispelling
Sheperd Scopes! And mispronouncing LeepholdS!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 04:51:08 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Bolster Stuff:
Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Colatown, SC, USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 05:06:26 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.31.204.125)
LEMAY.....Roger, still spittin' it out of the lawn mower. Lots of
7.62x39 from the AK too. Can't wait to try the new .45. My Bushmaster cycles
the Russian .223, but accuracy is the pits.
Cory <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
Florida, USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 05:28:34 (ZULU) (your host
address: 158.252.74.93)
'Wing Supply' sell camo burlap, netting and such. I haven't bought
from them in a while so they seem to have stopped sending me catalogs.
Someone out there who gets the catalog please post contact info.
USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 05:50:22 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.237.108)
Bolt: You've got some really good idea's on ghillie construction.
You might want to consider the following:
SSG Maries/ 2-162 INF/ ORARNG <kmaries@proaxis.com>
OR, USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 05:56:08 (ZULU) (your host address:
206.163.142.12)
Bravo/Brewmaster, The PT Gods used them. Well that explains why
they did not show up to the Carlos Match. Shame! Shame! Shame! on them.
When you lose all your body fat it effects your ability to think. Me I
wish I lost some of my ability to think/fat. Seriously the SEALS try lots
of things and they do love the M14 so it would stand to reason they would
play with a Mini f'd teen, until they found out its true inabilities. SpecOp
guys like six have credit cards to buy new stuff with. They even used Tasco
Scope/bought some never issued them.
MikeMiller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 07:04:04 (ZULU) (your host
address: 152.163.213.77)
Guys,
Bill B <dc8plumber@aol.com>
ky, USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 13:50:42 (ZULU) (your host address:
64.12.105.154)
Duuuudddes,
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 15:21:50 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.171)
'Wing Supply' (1-800-388-9464) sells all kinds of camo material
for duck and varmint hunters.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 15:41:27 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.237.75)
UnDude: all right. Takes me a while, but you finally made your point.
Check out the emporium, and gloat ;-) Doubt I'll ever get rid of the plinker
mini, but I'm abandoning the CQB mini idea. Besides, with Browning doing
thier thing, and Geoff working on the CAR, guess I need the cash. I'd hate
to put the beer taps off, but might have to. Would putting off the beer
taps translate into me losing intelligence / fat too? Guess this makes
sense, I've heard "fat head" too many times. Bet it'll translate into losing
popularity! LOL Whur didja get that nifty veil you had out at the class
anyway, was that one of those?
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the virtually dry state - GAH!, USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at
15:44:40 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.217)
Freunde,
germany - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 16:19:19 (ZULU) (your host address:
62.224.19.239)
On the "burlap" rope. I used a shitload of rope on my Benning ghillie
and it worked like a charm for the time of year I was there. (Around Feb)
It looked just like the dead grass that was prevelant then and with a light
spraying of almond paint it looked like it had frost on it, which the stalk
areas had.
http://www.aspiringtech.net/nobull/kentroger.html
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 16:46:08 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.171)
Question for pistoleros, off topic: If I purchase a Glock 22 (40
full size), can I strip the slide off, and put my model 17 slide on it,
and run 9's with my 17 mags and slide on the 22 frame at will? Now the
same question for the 40 cal Browning Hi-Power and Beretta 92.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
makin' ghillies and sippin' beer in the, USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000
at 03:41:10 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.224)
Bill B,
Did you check out the sporting goods section of Wal-Mart while you
were there? All the Wally Worlds around me are selling Real Tree burlap
"Deer Blinds". If I remember right, it cost $15.00 for a roll of 54 inches
by 12 feet. The price goes way down after deer season.
Short Creek, Ohio, USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 04:04:24 (ZULU)
(your host address: 209.240.0.17)
Gentlemen,
Have a new-in-the-box Leupold Mark IV 16X tactical scope w/ the
Mil-Dot reticle for sale. I want $1000 (CASH) for it. (And you better be
in the Houston area as a person-to-person only exchange will do.) E-mail
if interested to dherne@hotmail.com.
Dave
Houston, TX
David P. Herne <dherne@hotmail.com>
USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 06:50:12 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.254.1.123)
Sorry to dissapoint you Bravo. Thats the only pic I have from Benning.
I have others of myself and students I'll eventually post on there.
2. Blend with surroundings.
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 06:56:33 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.174)
Out here in God's forsaken plains it's a bit lighter but varied
much more than even "By God country" or what I've seen of it. Some of that
great looking camo it really fine up close but at distances men look like
men in Ninja suits. It's hard to get things too light out here too.
I have camo that looks zactly like Sagebrush up close but it is
too dark farther out. Something to do with light reflection of course.
We have a nasty fetish out here for stalking pronghorns with sticks
and must be closer than 75 yards. If you have the outline of a man your
5 miles from all the pronghorns real fast. That thing about them being
curious is true but they have 8power sight at least and pretty soon they
ain't curious about bow hunters except to see how many counties they can
put between them and you. If the camo varies, say in light and pattern
say one kind of hat one kind of shirt and a different pair of pants it
seems to work better. Keep it all 3 shades of light if you can. MIxing
cane (duck hunting) camo and fall leaf pants with a sage veil and a boonie
hat with burlap stuck all over it seems to work as good as anything. This
would probably be true of green shades too. That Jungle green out here
is a visable as a blonde in a bikini. I must agree with Gooch on not overdoing
the ghillie mop. IT works to just put it here and there. I took some of
the walmart stuff and cut triange pieces about 3" ones and sewed the middle
of the triangle to a 3X5 square and made panchos with a head hole in one
end.
You can crawl with the thing like a turtle shell and just barely
live through a 110 degree stalk with it. IT's much cooler than junk sewed
on a sold cloth. When I'm bow hunting I hang the thing up to a low limb
and shoot through the head hole. IT keeps the bugs out if you use it right.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 14:41:13 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Bravo-
RE: G17 slide on a G22
Mictac <MicTAc@AOL.com>
USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 15:47:43 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.199.163)
Kent: disappointed, but thanks. I'm one of those dumb-o's that really
needs to do or see to learn. As for streaker-snipers, well, guess my gut
hangs down too much to even CONSIDER it ;-)
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
suffering a beer deficit in the, USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 16:59:30
(ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.178)
Bravo-
Dude I doubt he is using a "stock barrel". Methinks he is leading
you astray. Simply put, the hole in the front of the slide for the barrel
muzzle on the 40 is too big for a Glock stock 9mm barrel. Too much slop/etc....m
Perhaps he has a custom barrel by someone else?
Honestly, not to say too much on a possible safety issue, but I
have seen 9mm shot out of a Glock 40 several times by accident on my range.
The gun functioned but the bullets went nowhere near the aiming point.
We did have one Glock get a 9 stuck in the 40 barrel unknown to the shooter
and his next 40 round cleared the barrel leaving a mighty impressive bulge!
The boys at Sig love your sling! You should be getting calls from
some police and military types that were out there.
Mictac <Mictac@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 18:35:55 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.199.59)
Mictac: I'm sure you're right. It was a stainless steel barrel,
but I *thought* he said it was a drop in stock replacement. When I asked
how the extraction was with the 40 extractor / ejector, he said fine. He's
the guy that runs the IDPA in Spanish Fork, Utah.
p.260 (paperback edition) of "Rogue Warrior" by Richard Marcinko:
"There was a lot to covet, too. The inventory that was piling up
in our sheds looked like a lethal, high-budget version of Outward Bound.
Gore-Tex Parkas and boots. Parachutes.... ...Smith & Wesson
.357 revolvers in stainless steel, so they wouldn't rust when we swam with
them. Beretta 9mm automatic pistols. HK machine guns, with and without
silencers. Stainless steel Ruger Mini-14s..."
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as the, USA - Sunday, August 13,
2000 at 20:03:24 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.188)
John...
He supported some conservitave issues, like school vouchers, SDI,
and someother "conservitive" stuff, and has gotten some press over them,
but in the past week, he has done a 180 on his past positions, and is "with
the program" of the Democrats.
"Bravo Brew - "ONE OF" the unofficial beer(s) of Sniper Country,
USA"
The other one is "Beaver Brew", from Canadia!
USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 20:07:17 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.191.22.47)
Patron 'Lito: Beaver brew. How could I forget that?!? ;-) Mine is
"readily available" though, which can't be said for the other. HA! Maybe
Kevin gets all he wants.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
one more time, USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 20:18:20 (ZULU) (your
host address: 209.180.85.188)
Bravo...
Went away the last few days with the Rugrat, and checked out my
700yd range, and it's still there.
"Lowflyin" Jeff gave me a tip about finding good ranges, and this
is a range complex out in the sand dunes of an old, closed down, SAC base,
and leased by a pistol club... and nobody uses the rifle range... got it
all to myself :))) it's time to get to work.
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 20:43:58 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.191.22.47)
Big John,
Bill B <dc8plumber@aol.com>
ky, USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 21:41:41 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.207.78)
Relationship between distance, natural cover, and ghillie color
is getting me cornfused.
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 22:18:21 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.189.160)
'lito: Are you chasin' that sweet little thing at the convenience
store again? She must have some wicked leg of lamb. Have you convinced
her that "Beaver Light" tastes great and is less filling?
Canada - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 23:01:04 (ZULU) (your host address:
142.177.78.96)
Stalking in the pasture -
Karl <dahm0030@tc.umn.edu>
Damn Cold, Mn, USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 00:02:48 (ZULU) (your
host address: 134.84.148.151)
Repeated immersion in saltwater ends the life of a stainless S&W
revolver very quickly. That fact makes me suspicious of the verisimilitude
of the rest of the passage.
USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 02:53:35 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.64)
Canada Eh? Where in the hell is Canada eh? Is that in north Florida
eh? Jeff...Tell all of the Canadians up there that Panama City Florida
absolutely SUCKS as a tourist destination...eh? Hate to tell you thats
not a beer commercial dude....thats a History Channel special!!%^)
Cory <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
Panama City, Florida, USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 03:23:34 (ZULU)
(your host address: 158.252.73.212)
CDC: the rest of the book makes me suspicious of the verisimilitude
of the AUTHOR, thus the "if you believe that kind of stuff" comment on
his "work" earlier. I've dived with my 45 auto (stainless Officers ACP)
several times, but it never got wet. One of those things where I don't
camp unarmed, and wouldn't leave a pistol top side behind me. It went in
a baggie, which was then in my BC, not quite easy to get to. Oh, this was
fresh water too, never been in the salt. On a somewhat related topic though,
Chuck Taylor wrote a published article (think it was G&A?) in which
he sited a Glock that spent months in the SF bay, lost and then found (seems
that the divers in that area have taken to carrying them for shark protection,
since they function perfectly with ball underwater, if set up such), which
had no damage, but needed cleaning bad ;-) As any metalurgist can tell
you, the harder steel is, the more resistant to rust it is. You can sharpen
a knife on a Glock slide. I have "rusted" a Colt stainless frame under
the grips one summer in Houston though :-(
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
bed time for Bonzo, er, Bravo, USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 03:29:25
(ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.236)
Bravo...Heck, all one has to do to rust a Springfield 1911 "stainless"
is to touch it. I camped with one under my pillow inside my sleeping bag
while at SMTC and it got tiny rust spots all over the matte portions of
the slide (bead blasted areas of the "notverystainless" slide and frame).
Something to think about if anyone is about to buy a new 1911 style hand
blaster.
Cory <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
PC, FL, USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 04:44:31 (ZULU) (your host
address: 158.252.73.212)
For padding under the ghillie. If we are talking about intermitant
use, some gauze and medical tape works fairly well. After I ripped my elbows
open I padded them with gauze and tape to try and keep them from getting
infected (happened anyway, Camp Upshur may as well be Okinawa as far as
the climate was concerned) Turned out my miserable attempt worked pretty
well as padding. Even with elbows that oozed pus and blood, the pain was
far less than I expected. Had I done this BEFORE I ripped them open I do
believe that I could have avoided that whole less than fun ordeal. I second
the opinion on cordura for the front of your ghillie. Works great for knees
and elbows also. Sliding through wet grass was almost easy. As for attaching
different netting and garnish packages to your actual ghillie, the rich
high speed guys use Fastex, us cheap guys use zip ties. Same thing, except
cheaper(short term). Semper Fi...Ken M
Ken M <target1371@aol.com>
IL, USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 04:45:18 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.207.207)
ANy Ideas on shootin 308 at 500 yards with
WC846 - (Cross reference loading data BL-C(2) or WIN 748)
Nick <nmichlig@hotmail.com>
USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 06:44:25 (ZULU) (your host address:
63.23.36.47)
Cory: Yup. We're only about 3000 miles north of Florida. Just drive
north on the I95 until the fuel becomes outrageously expensive to purchase
at gas stations. Don't worry about directions or maps, you can't miss us.
Canada....Home of Sniper Country's Official Beer, "Beaver Light"! -
Monday, August 14, 2000 at 09:24:56 (ZULU) (your host address: 142.177.105.133)
Jeff...Well, except for the rest of us, there are two kinds of people
in Florida...newly weds and nearly deads. Most of the nearly deads come
from some god forsaken hole in yankeeland. Canadians are just high altitude
yankees...they all come down here to lay out on the beach and turn in to
what is fondly refered to by native floridians (known as "crackers" here)
as "raisins". You were probably smellin' the tourist refuse that dropped
on the beach! But thanks! Keep telling everyone this place stinks.
Cory <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
Panama Landfill, Fl., USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 12:28:51 (ZULU)
(your host address: 158.252.73.137)
Bolt,
Went to a shoot in Nebraska last year and there was a SF sgt. who
gave a demo on stalking (He had tought stalking at the sniper school) he
wore levis and a t-shirt and a bonie hat/veil with his camo on it and stalked
to within a short distance of us before he poped up out of the grass. He
said the most important part of the camo is the head gear because that
is what pops up out of the natural suroundings first. His ghillie suit
was a set of BDUs with a few loops sewed on and a few strands of burlap,
compared to the rest of us he looked like a "Plucked" sniper. He would
take and stick some natural grass into his BDUs and then spend most of
the time on his hat and cape setup. Another thing I remembered was that
there is always dead stuff on the ground so you can't go wrong with lighter
browns as a base.
USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 13:24:33 (ZULU) (your host address:
207.41.18.130)
Another Cleaning Question: There are as many opinions about how
to clean a barrel as there are Clinton excuses, but I would like to hear
more. For a quality (e.g., $4,000 - 5,000 plus "sniper" rifle), how do
shooters out there clean the barrel?
little rock, ar, USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 14:35:03 (ZULU) (your
host address: 152.163.206.204)
Bravo - Yeah I've been off drinking way too much beer :)
On the Glock issue from my understanding the 22's have a beefed
up extractor - but not a calibre specific one. My headache causing 23 (Gov't
not the gun) had the same extractor as the 19 so you could switch slides
and mags and were off to the races. The local LE's here have done some
tests on their 22's and apparently they can swap reliably. Never tried
just switching barrels due to different bolt face sizes wasn't sure if
it was wise.
P.S. Bravo give Kurt Wickman a call (740) 594-8049 - he did my Hi-Power
when he was still w/ Novak - .40 or 9 its a great F**king gun (I still
like 9 - and you can get it anywhere)
Showed up to CFSAC while I was out East and was told to shoot I
had to come back shaven and in uniform (needless to say I didn't go back)
Hey what's a holiday for (ended up mixing cement at my parents cottage
-while my son played with the Grandparents - cursing myself for not shaving).
Were our COnstitution doesn't mean shit-Canada - Monday, August 14,
2000 at 16:02:41 (ZULU) (your host address: 207.148.139.23)
Robert,
e.g. Shooters Choice Copper Remover or Sweets. Just be careful not
to let it sit too long.
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 16:32:31 (ZULU)
(your host address: 205.188.197.59)
On cleaning barrels. Unless you are an anal retentive benchresting
type, not that there is anything wrong with that, there is no reason to
clean every 2 or 3 rounds. Once again, unless you are belt feeding the
rifle, you only need to clean it (for powder residue) after every firing
session. I would set a certain round count for removing copper fouling,
say every 200-300 rounds. I remember a certain post from a well known barrel
maker on another web site stating that excessive cleaning will reduce barrel
life. Can anyone pull that up? We talked about it a couple of months ago
when we were yaking about barrel break in.
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 18:42:36 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.114.12)
On the prior article on barrel erosion with excessive clearning,
there was a post by someone who said he was in the business which was in
the archives of this site. I read every post in the SC archives since January
1999 this morning and came across it. I cannot recall the month however
or would pull and post it.
robert <rtschiemer@aol.com>
little rock, ar`, USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 19:30:58 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.206.196)
You DO NOT NEED to clean a barrel all the time once it is broken
in (first 50 - 100 rds). Every 500 rds is fine, longer with moly. Only
clean if barrel has dirt or mud in it or if you have been in salt water,
rain or you dropped the rifle in the swamp or you plan on storing it for
some time. You must however clean the chamber and extractor and the bolt
to keep the rifle functioning properly especially in rifles with tight
match chambers. Cleaning the chamber also insures that dirt or grit does
not scratch it when feeding next round. Accurracy doesn't change. Also
wipe down the outside from any moisture or sweat. Just ones own opinion......
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Woodbridge, NJ, USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 19:58:40 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.97.88.100)
Gooch, per your request...
Senior Member posted September 25, 1999 10:10 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The break in fad was started by a fellow I helped get started in
the barrel business . He started putting a set of break in instructions
in ever barrel he shipped. One came into the shop to be installed and I
read it and the next time I saw him I asked him What was with this break
in crap?. His answer was Mac, My share of the market is about 700 barrels
a year. I cater to the target crowd and they shoot a barrel about 3000
rounds before they change it. If each one uses up 100 rounds of each barrel
breaking it in you can figure out how many more barrels I will get to make
each year. If you will stop and think that the barrel doesn't know whether
you are cleaning it every shot or every 5 shots and if you are removing
all foreign material that has been deposited in it since the last time
you cleaned it what more can you do? When I ship a barrel I send a recommendation
with it that you clean it ever chance you get with a brass brush pushed
through it at least 12 times with a good solvent and followed by two and
only 2 soft patches. This means if you are a bench rest shooter you clean
ever 7 or 8 rounds . If you are a high power shooter you clean it when
you come off the line after 20 rounds. If you follow the fad of cleaning
every shot for X amount and every 2 shots for X amount and so on the only
thing you are accomplishing is shortening the life of the barrel by the
amount of rounds you shot during this process. I always say Monkey see
Monkey do, now I will wait on the flames but before you write them, Please
include what you think is happening inside your barrel during break in
that is worth the expense and time you are spending during break in
Semper Fi
San Francisco, CA, USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 20:27:00 (ZULU)
(your host address: 207.247.204.20)
I finally got my Winchester model 70 stealth, and I highly recomend
it to any of you out there. As accurate as any gun I have ever shot (and
almost any I have ever heard of!), it's a real sweetheart.
Mike Miller <mmbackpacker@juno.com>
Yuma, AZ, USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 21:57:07 (ZULU) (your host
address: 64.197.69.64)
Pablito, It is the Best gun ever! I may eventually change the bolt
handle to something bigger and put on another sling stud up front, but
thats about it. I love it.
Mike Miller <mmbackpacker@juno.com>
Yuma, AZ, USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 22:10:36 (ZULU) (your host
address: 64.197.69.64)
Just back from Germany, stayed in a beautiful area of Bavaria called
Coburg. The place has great food, GREAT beer, it was clean and the people
were nice, but I'm really happy to be home.
Jim Mitchell <james_mitchell@merck.com>
NJ, USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 22:38:14 (ZULU) (your host address:
12.20.190.1)
Mike Miller: I think you just made a remarkable statement. Are you
saying that a STOCK M70 Stealth is as accurate as any rifle you have ever
fired? That would be stunning for two reasons: 1) The Undude damn sure
knows how to shoot, and 2) I have been introduced to a couple of the rifles
you have shot. Mike S. carried around a pretty little cloverleaf group
you shot using one of them.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 23:06:45 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.59)
Kevin- Re: Glock top ends
I think Bravo and I were talking about a bit different item. If
you read the post I put up I stated the ejectors are calibre specific,
not the extractors. The 9mm ejector curves in towards the base, the 40
is long and straight and the 45 is different yet. Different round size
base = different ejector.
BUT- you stated that you have the same extractor as the nine-yep-Glock
did send them out this way. They have a factory fix for the .40 they started
a couple of years ago in which the old short ejector is replaced with a
long one and the extractor is replaced with a beveled one. They will send
this out for free to you. The old parts were supposed to cause some reliability
problems after a bit of use. The last Glock armorer recertification class
I atttended had the instructor specifically go over this update (Glock's
word for recall). I can tell you this new setup will not work well with
a 9mm slide.
Actually- if you can't get Glock to send you the parts because of
your or my Government idiots- I can send you a set as long as it is legal.
Take care
Mictac <Mictac@Aol.com>
USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 23:12:48 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.213.211)
TonyY, I don't know you from Adam's House Cat but I have to cal
B.S. on the 500 round cleaning. I admit that I "was" anal retentive about
cleaning before I read McMillan's post earlier this year. I now do pretty
much as Gooch recomends. But give me a break, cleaning evry 500 rounds.
I wouldn't sleep a wink thinking about that. It may work for you but I
wouldn't treat my gear like that.
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 23:14:15 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.190.207)
Back Packin' Mike...
Unless you're sellin' off junk to buy MORE high quility pieces,
then I vote NO!
USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 23:35:01 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.191.22.47)
Guys wrong Mike Miller. I will stick with the NorCal/GA Precision
Rifles, over Win 70 anyday! Fine for a factory rifle but not a great weapon.
Mike Miller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Monday, August 14, 2000 at 23:48:28 (ZULU) (your host
address: 152.163.201.176)
Anybody out there know the going price in USD for the Sako TRG 22
& 42 Series rifles?
Canada - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 00:00:18 (ZULU) (your host address:
142.177.82.86)
The Real Undude: I knew SOMETHING was screwy.
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 00:31:49 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.65)
Pablito: My score didn't count.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 01:07:51 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.237.88)
Been lurking for a couple of years and dont remember seeing this
info posted. Does anyone know which specific round the ranging reticles
in the ACOG's are set for? I believe they have one for .223 and one for
.308. Any info will be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Dave Biggers <pathfinder27th@hotmail.com>
Ft. Worth, Texas, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 01:26:51 (ZULU)
(your host address: 63.178.145.17)
Jeff,
ky, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 01:32:31 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.200.46)
Hi all. I was wondering if you could help me find a steel floorplate
for my 700 .308 that won't cost much over $200. I was looking at the HS
Prcision detachable mag floorplate which is steel for only about $165.
Any thoughts? Or if you know of any others about that price. I can't afford
the Badgers and the like which are over $300. Thanks
Jarhead <idpawglcknkimbr@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 01:55:38 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.198.22)
Bravo; I saw a couple of fags ride tigers in Las Vegas once. Guess
it depends on their education as to when animals haul ass or when they
eat you.
If you do take your pistol/rifle to the woods. hang it from a tree
where you can reach it quick.
It won't rust there if you wipe it down with wd-40 once a day. Put
it under your tent or tarp sleeping bag or inside a rug case or sheepskin
and it'll turn to dust.
On pistols that Lewis Lead remover will take the lead out and you
need to do that or you won't be able to hit your hat.
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 02:57:59 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Fowling? What the hell is that Bolt? Your draggin me down.......
It's actually a new game out here it like bowling only you use chickens
instead of balls.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 03:01:12 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
WHy are the custom ghillies so dark? Ummmm well...Trying to be polite
here... I think it has something to do with knowing the diff between body
parts and holes in the ground.
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 03:25:36 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.114.55)
I was wondering if anybody had any information on a gun called the
Italy. I have been looking all over and can't find anything. I need to
know what kind of gun it is and what kind of bullet it uses. Rate of fire
and a link to a picture of one would be nice to . Thanks.
Nathan <nbendel@yahoo.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 03:28:03 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.165.36.107)
Wild Bill: those fags RIDE the tigers in Vegas, they're TRAINED
tigers. Trained, get it? Steels: can't stress this enough. The harder it
is, the less it'll rust. My Glock was carried inside the wasteband for
about a year and a half, shot in competitions twice monthly, and a lot
of other stuff. Didn't clean it once. Wore the Metacol / Roguard off of
it. Rust? I'll let you know when I see some. NEVER cleaned it in that time!
If I weren't so worried about messing up the temper of the parts, I'd have
a 45 guvmint skin nitrided by Ron Smith. To keep it from rusting would
be worth it! I'm gonna try yet another of these "high tech wonder paints",
this one BearCoat. I'll let you know how it works out. If it's as good
as advertised, should be vastly superior to parkerizing (that's the base
coat of BearCoat - Parkerizing). IF!
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
Lookin' for a lowrider, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 04:18:40
(ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.156)
Oh, are there any states that I can't send hi-cap mags to other
than kaliforistan?
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
forgot something, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 04:22:57 (ZULU)
(your host address: 209.180.85.156)
To All,
According to my TV guide, That famous Jag episode, (The one with
the marine sniper shooting off sideview mirrors off of Hum Vees) will be
on the USA channel 7pm Tuesday ESDT. Watch this one. There may be a test
on Wednesday, with a valuable prize to be given away to the high score.
No kidding!
Steve <nato@bright.net>
S.C.D.H., Ohio, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 04:39:43 (ZULU) (your
host address: 205.212.148.201)
All,
Boom! The bullet was a bit longer! The powder was also of a different
lot# too. So I reduced the charge to 44.5gr and will see what turns up.
I haven't blown a primer in 8 years! So I was astounded. If anyone else
has has the same thing happen especially with WW748, let me know.
2nd thing, I was trying to group on a silhouette, a 25yd reduced
pistol, anyway I could not group on the thing! I have shot 3/4" groups
at 300 before. So I am guessing that it was no real point reference i.e.
a red spotter dot. I was nailing the clays every shot. Wierd.
We were shooting at the clay pits in Oroville next to Oroville Municipal
Airport. Anyone know how far the furthest burm is?? Anyone know where the
freak I'm talking about?
I was shooting the 175 SMK on top of 42.0gr of Varget. Any insight
would be terrific. Thanks in advance. Oh, it's nice to talk about sniper
rifles again. Semper Fi brothers!
Bad Karma <jwhiteII56@hotmail.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 06:02:50 (ZULU) (your host address:
206.170.184.216)
Ken - Did your washing machine act funny when you did your ghillie?
Any LINT troubles?
I'd never machine washed it before - and my machine (less than 4
months old) is struggling (third only water cycle trying to clean it and
no luck) Good thing ex-Mrs Kev is ex or I'd be DEAD! Figure I'll use her
dryer LOL.
Kevin <kevmich@cadvision.com>
Canada - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 06:40:03 (ZULU) (your host address:
207.148.141.101)
RE TRG-21/ series,
Chris <cafarr@excite.com>
New Zealand - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 09:53:27 (ZULU) (your host
address: 203.97.45.171)
Dudes on the washing machines and ghillies. My SOP was to go to
a car wash to clean it then hang it to dry. Heard of other guys going to
all night laundramats and using the side fill hicap machines then hauling
ass. But washing it in my home machine was never an option.
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 13:18:05 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.114.55)
Cleaning,
OK, now let me get this straight, are we now saying that its taboo
to clean our guns, with those expensive barrels, more than every few hundred
rounds instead of every 25 or 30 rounds??? How about it 'lito and Jerry
R. and the rest of you?? Would you let your rifes go for that long and
or leave them set for a month or so dirty?? I am one of the anal retentive
people who likes a clean barrel and when I had my 308 bore scoped last
year with nearly 2000 rounds on that barrel he said it looked like a new
barrel yet and he didn't know what I was doing for cleaning but keep it
up. I have shot over a hundred rounds through mine without cleaning in
a match but I try not to make it a habit. I also know you can shoot a 308
or a 223 for a lot longer without cleaning than a 300 or 6MM. I find it
hard to believe Tony shoots 500 rounds through his 300WM without cleaning
it. Come on guys inquiring minds want to know WHATS THE STANDARD HERE ON
SC!!!
Pat <mrbullet@hoatmail.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 13:19:14 (ZULU) (your host address:
207.41.18.130)
Washing machine:
I used the gentle cycle on my machine... in the dryer... I used
low heat... heck there was quite abit of lint.... there will also be hair
fallout afterwards...
Nokesville, Va, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 13:42:35 (ZULU) (your
host address: 4.3.240.234)
Barrel cleaning: Yes I do shoot quite a few hundred rounds (500
+/-) and I don't always clean the barrel. I do however scrub the chamber,
bolt, extractor and receiver/magazine area whenever it is required (ie
bolt tightens or rounds are tight in the chamber). This is necessary especially
on a magnum rifle. I use moly coated bullets and I don not get any copper
build up. I use RL 22 in my 300 win mag, 4064 in 308, BMG 50 in 30/378
tactical rifles and they all burn clean. Now if your shooting out in the
dust bowl or you dropped your rifle in the mud then common sense will tell
you you should clean the whole rifle. I've gone through 3 days at SMTC
classes without cleaning every day and I never had a problem. Knock on
wood.
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Woodbridge, NJ, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 13:59:41 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.97.88.102)
Okay, I'll bite on the barrel cleaning issue.
Damascus, MD, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 14:20:37 (ZULU) (your
host address: 131.158.166.157)
'yote bate...
(But I got Colt's and Brownings :))
I put my Leafie man suit in the sink with "Woolite" for five minutes
to get the mud and bugs out, then rinse and hang it up to dry ;)
I shoot Browning HPs and GPs, and Colt 45s and 10mm Deltas a lot,
and clean them every winter, whether they need it or not.
I'm a believer is practicing with what you carry, and I carry a
Stainless Delta, a Bright Stainless Gold Cup, and a Bright Stainless Officer's...
but I shoot (read "beat the hell outa'), others of the same ilk.
These puppys are 'posed to work dirty, and if they don't, I want
to know it.
Wet the bore with #9, and let it soak for 20 minutes (or longer).
Then run dry and wet patches through (maybe 4 or 5), and then wet
it again. Leave for a while, and repeat... etc, until the patches come
out as clean as they went in. usually takes about 5 or 6 ten minute sessions
over 24 hours. I rarely use a brush.
I have chamber plugs with "O" rings from Midway, that I use if the
barrel is really funky... just let the #9 stand in the barrel for 24 hours.
I use #9 mostly, Hoppes "BR" sometimes.
If I get stuck on the phone, or distracted by the Rugrat (or even
work;(... I don't want to come back to a junked $600 barrel.
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 14:21:24 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.191.22.47)
On cleaning solvent(s) and methods.
Damascus, MD, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 15:04:02 (ZULU) (your
host address: 131.158.166.157)
I'll check in on the cleaning issue, mostly aggreeing completely
with what others have said. I clean mine when it needs it, but after a
day of shooting anyway (100 more or less). If it's gonna sit more than
a week, I'll clean it after shooting regardless, to keep the brown nasties
off the flutes of the flash suppressor. I clean mine the same way 'Lito
does, except I use the Hoppes #9 BR and a bronze brush. I bought nylon
brushes for it, but Geoff gave me a pack of bronze brushes, and since I
don't shoot high master or make great rifles and he does, there's NO WAY
I'm gonna tell him he's off his nut!
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as the, USA - Tuesday, August 15,
2000 at 15:12:23 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
Hi. I've been Sneeking and Peaking here for about a year now, and
Know that the wisdom that can be had here is priceless. So...
Lujan <slujan88@yahoo.com>
San Jose, Ca, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 16:38:59 (ZULU) (your
host address: 216.132.64.68)
I recently had Tac-Ord of Meridian, Idaho build a .223 Remington
700 With a Hart 1-12 barrel. I purchased some Police once fired federal
brass and full length sized and trimed it all perfect. When I loaded my
first round it was hard to close the bolt. I opend up the bolt and examined
the loaded cartrige. I could see that it had slightly bumped the shoulder
back. I then fired the round which fired perfect. I tried all 20 that I
had loaded with the same results. I reloaded the first brass and neck sized
it only. It chambered like butter and fired perfect. Is this because they
used a "Match" 223 reamer or is something not right? The rifle consistenly
shoots 1/4" so it doesnt effect the accuracy. Any advise would be helpful!
Daren
Daren Yancey <darenyancey@hotmail.com>
Blackfoot, Idaho, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 18:16:13 (ZULU)
(your host address: 204.228.203.34)
Daren Yancey...
You have an excellent barrel, and chamber... don't let anyone fool
with it.
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 18:30:00 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.191.22.47)
Guys,
Got my .460 Rowland conversion for my 1911 today. So much for it
being "drop in". It's en-route to Louisianna for fitting via UPS as we
speak. The slide would stick about 1/8" open. I guess we'll see how it
performs when I get it back. I've got the ballistics on the round (5" barrel),
if anyone is interested let me know and I'll post it.
Thanks for the info on triggers. Ya' know, I wish those Canadians
would just send down the money and stay home. Welcome to Florida, now go
the F*** home!!
Semper Fi. You guys ever feel like going after pig in North Fla,
let me know. I'd mention deer, too, but their awfully small around here.
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 19:19:38 (ZULU)
(your host address: 38.2.209.21)
Dadgumit BillR., where did I mess up this time. Need spell check
real bad.
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 21:02:48 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.190.47)
CDC: McMillan says my stock goes out tomorrow by 2nd day, and if
it gets to me before Saturday, I'm shooting up north. Man, I sure hope
they don't ship via "oops", 'cause they're out to ruin me! Now to get the
grease off of a couple more mags, and load the ice chest ;-)
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
Getting my "fix" from McMillan AFTER the DT's start, USA - Tuesday,
August 15, 2000 at 21:58:36 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
The utility of a Ghillie suit has been a question I've asked before.
A well-informed individual replied to my question saying that the Ghillie,
as well as the close in stalk exercise were schoolhouse training aids and
that there is little tactical application for the Ghillie. Operationally
I would expect to exploit my ability to shoot long range to enhance my
personal survival. I am uncomfortable with the idea of stalking away from
my equipment wearing a heavy, hot and very flammable suit of burlap intending
to fire a shot at one of possibly many hostile peer opponents. My view
of the Ghillie is that it is part of the right of passage into becoming
a sniper. Build one, wear one in training and then put it away when you
deploy because it has little tactical use in the real world. The Ghillie
like a Beret or a Kilt is military regalia not often found on the battlefield.
Kevin R. Mussack <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 22:06:49
(ZULU) (your host address: 152.163.194.204)
Bravo: I've made a few trips to the US over the past year. I've
been fortunate enough to have one several trips through Chrysler for having
reached certain sales objectives. I went to Lake Taho last August, and
just got back from Maui, Hawaii a few weeks ago.
Jeff Babineau <sales@targetshootingsupplies.com>
Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 22:13:11 (ZULU) (your
host address: 142.177.76.61)
Stainless: Shot a blacktail on the wrong side of the Eel River a
couple of years ago. Had to swim across to get it to the jeep. Left the
rifle on the bank but took a stainless AMT Hardballer. I put the deer down
with it. Next day one of the guys I was with did the same thing, and since
he couldn't swim I got the honors. I wiped the AMT down but it was about
two days before I could give it a real cleaning. No rust at all.
Pete Robertson <probert0@pacbell.net>
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 22:22:16 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.25.160.7)
Tactical applications of ghillie suits:
Pete Robertson <probert0@pacbell.net>
USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 22:44:19 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.25.160.7)
Hey guys,
Powerstroke and Cummins made by Ford? Next your gonna tell us that
the next GM light truck diesel (Duratech) will be made by Izuzu. Are you
fishing here. I'll bite on that one. LOL Where you goin' up nord?
WI, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 23:26:12 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.100.170.136)
Was in the local shop today and saw a Weatherby Mark 4 Varmint Master
in .308. Good looking weapon, heavy stainless fluted barrel about the same
length as a 700 VS, tan and black synthetic stock that looked like an H&S.
Anyone know anything about this weapon?? With a price tag to over $1100
I'm not going to buy one anytime soon just curious.
BTW most of the gunshops in San Antonio are for ****! Went to 5
of them over the weekend (was there on a mini-vacation) and amoung other
things the prices sucked! One place had a 700 LTR 20" for $845! Are the
out of their minds! Needless to say none of my gun money was spent in SA!
Area 51, NM, USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 23:36:23 (ZULU) (your
host address: 206.245.243.248)
Pete: I take exception to that, 2nd LT's don't wear binos as fashion
statements, we did it because we LOOKED so COOL. Chicks dig it! ;-) At
one point I had good eyes. No more. Always hated binos though. Still do.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as the, USA - Wednesday, August
16, 2000 at 00:28:18 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.228)
Boltster; my true feelings on spelling; if they can tell that the
word is mispelled, they must know what it is and that's close enough. To
hell with em. Some of the smartest people can't spell worth a hoot!
Sure don't have anything to do with their shooting.
Ia think a G. suit is mainly for sparse cover. In Nam there was
plenty and the heat under one would kill you in short order. They work
in colder climate better. I can't think anything works if you move. Almost
anything does if you don't. If you're in a place where troops are scanning
countersnipers are at work the ghillie works better, but under normal conditions
people see what they expect to see and that is usually something moving.
You always hear the comment....
"See anything moving down there?" Nobody ever said, do you see anything
not moving down there?" Part of a hunter's experience is training himself
to look for shapes and things out of the ordinary. Of course the G. suit's
purpose is to look ordinary. Things that move are readily spotted by anyone
or anything. The secret of stalk is to move while nobody is watching or
move so slow it's imperceptable.
USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 00:56:43 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Bravo,
Cummins wasn't owned by Ford Motor Co. until 1992, Chrysler has
contract with them through 2002 (Model Year 2003). The Powerstoke is an
International design, not a Cat. After M.Y. 2003 Dodge will, to the best
of my knowledge, go with a Daimler design, displacing somewhere between
four and a half to five and a half litres. The Automotive group I work
for here in Fla. sells all the domestic truck lines, so I have the luxury
of driving whichever I choose (the Dodge). G.M. had a bit of a problem
in 1996 with their Fuel Injection pumps, but have since rectified it. As
long as you're driving American, I'm happy!!! OK, I've said my piece on
trucks. My opinion is Dodge, then GM. Ford has a hard time supplying their
dealers with parts. If your truck's down, us dealers may have it a little
while waiting to get the parts.
Chuck (I bleed Mopar blue)
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 01:03:29 (ZULU)
(your host address: 63.253.149.189)
Bravo,
Belay my last. I misread your Cat/powerstroke comment. As of yet
we haven't had any information shipped to the dealers about Cat's (see
my later comment). I also believe that they have to wait another year to
put the Cummins in any LIGHT truck (F-350 and smaller) I think both the
Cat and the Cummins are available in the Medium and Sterling Heavy trucks
(F-450 and larger). We're not a heavy truck dealer, so I don't get that
much stuff across my desk about them. If you want info you can e-mail me
and I can get you all sorts of info, or go to the group I work for web-page
(www.garbercountry.com). Sorry about the mis-read.
Semper Fi,
Chuck
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 01:13:18 (ZULU)
(your host address: 63.253.149.189)
Bravo: Ford at one time owned controlling interest in Cummins, but
eventually sold it off. Cummins has basically said that they would welcome
any and all of Dodge's requests for its engines. In fact Cummins has made
many modifications throughout the years, icluding bringing out a new 5.9l
engine this year, to satisfy Dodge. The Cummins engine is legendary for
its
power and fuel economy.
Nova Scotia (no it's not a damn State!...At least not yet., Canada
- Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 01:18:14 (ZULU) (your host address: 142.177.57.68)
Diesel Country: If Ford sold off controlling interest in Cummins,
this is news to me. I'm no diesel expert, just talk to folks who HAUL thier
hot rods to the strip instead of drive 'em (can you imagine???). Next thing
I know, I'll hear that Jaguar and Lotus aren't Fords! As if! Anyone who
bleeds Mopar is great in my book, 426 max wedge is tied for my #1 favorite.
Just more expensive to build one than a 429 in comparable form, and less
trick parts out there. Think there's a reason the 1200+ HP dragster guys
use big block Chryslers?
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
as long as Lucas doesn't do the electronics, USA - Wednesday, August
16, 2000 at 01:34:58 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.226)
Am I the only one having a real hard tome getting DR to load? This
is the first time in five days that I have been able to load the DR into
my computer. All the other sites load fine.
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 01:58:23 (ZULU)
(your host address: 209.138.184.30)
Bravo:Change that title to "Mopar Country"
Nova Scotia (no it's not a damn state!...At least not yet.), Canada
- Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 02:20:15 (ZULU) (your host address: 142.177.57.68)
Jeff: Mopar country....
Ken <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nokesville, Va, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 02:25:22 (ZULU)
(your host address: 207.233.164.10)
Wha you'all jes a bunch of rednecks afta all har in truck country.
Sooner are later them necks...they all get to talkn' bout thar trucks.
Jeep man myself! Lil small time yu getcher ALICE yore gun and a box of
.30 in there's not no room cept for the dawg and me!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 03:42:15 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Wow,
Internationals. Pretty much the same engine except the bolt ons.
Made by International. They are fairly good engines, get lotsa miles out
of them, but expensive parts for their IDM,ECM etc. I personally wouldn't
own one unless it had a warranty. The fuel system is designed by Caterpillar.
(HEUI)
John <jhugdahl@pressenter.com>
WI, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 04:10:06 (ZULU) (your host
address: 209.100.170.73)
Chuck....You are very welcome.....If you want the place for wild
hog...it is farther south of you down 'round the glades. They are so thick
you can hammer hunt them...you know, just wade in and start frammin' away!
If you are in Jax? we sould get together and shoot! I'm driving to Benning
thursday to use the 1000 yrd range, then I'm gonna visit Ranger Joe's and
U.S. Cav. after I get done bustin' some caps. Who wants to go to Benning's
range and punch targets? I'm buying lunch!!
Cory <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
Panama City, Fl, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 04:26:32 (ZULU)
(your host address: 158.252.73.141)
Now ah dont knows whut put all of yo' guys into this hyar diesel
craze but ah have t'chime in, as enny fool kin plainly see. ah too is a
proud owny of a smoke belchin', stinky, noisy diesel, ah reckon. 83 Jimmy
wif a 6.2L.
Billy Bob Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 04:30:13 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.114.222)
Bravo - down in Tacoma this weekend for my cousins wedding, but
no real shooting planned. Might be down in Sept to the NW US, but these
Assualt wpn bans and NFA crap obstruct me enjoying my M4 down there (14.5"
tube and 40mm M203 - "why of course its a sporting firearm officer"). If
you can tell us of some LR shoots we might bundle down the invasion force
for a weekend or so.
Kevin <kevmich@cadvision.com>
Canada - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 04:32:37 (ZULU) (your host address:
207.148.139.123)
Rbowcher...know the pain of the poison plants...ain't no fun...how
do the military/tactical guys handle this possibility/probability?...I
am seeping from nose to tallywacker and don't really know how it happened!..
Guys!...My shit is at Holmes proportions by now...hope the pills the doc
gave will help!!!! Seriously...this could be fatal with the wrong person..please
advise
Str8shot <mshockley@hotmail.com>
south central, MI, land of the free - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at
04:37:59 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.45.201.191)
Rick' I'm glad to hear a real world figure on One shot one Kill
distance. I think we sometimes forget that even if we mil the target correctly
with no error or could even LAZER it. From the time the bullet leaves the
barrel and the time it gets to a long range target the target has time
to move suddenly and cause a miss or at least cause a bad hit that might
be survivable.(.8 seconds for 800 yards add up to .5 for your decision
to shoot and finish the trigger) Realizing that military targets sometimes
have to just be hit to achieve the objective it is best to terminate if
the target is brass or other key command personel. In a hostage situation
this can play an even bigger role. The hostage can step in front of the
bullet.
Even to make that 600 yard shot it requires good clear judgment
to be sure the target doesn't get out of the window.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 04:44:22 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Now this is gettin' outta hand! Yeah, Plymouths smoke the competition
(and yes, I remember when Chrysler had the Superbird and won at over 200MPH
AVERAGE, before suckin' restrictor plates), but it's Fords that take the
trophies today. Remember, it was the Ford-Ferarri wars that Carrol won.
And the 429 BOSS that set the worlds land speed record for a production
car. Ken: Dad (also Ken) has a trick 3X2V carb set up for the 360, had
it in a Belvedere too out at Hood! It's corresponding Ford parts are going
on mine SOON 'NUFF, nitrous included. Diesels? URK? It's what pulls trailers
as far as I'm concerned! The Jeep I-6 is truly a wonderful, masterful creation,
and one of the FEW engines I truly respect. I got a 360 in my Jeep though.
Jeff: proud to hear the art is not dead yet. 10's with a frame is something
to be really proud of. You'll smoke any new Chev off the line! If I could
hook mine up, no telling what it'd do. But it makes smoke good ;-)
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
redneck? I named by boy Bubba! Seriously., USA - Wednesday, August
16, 2000 at 04:54:05 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.148)
After seeing a downloadable version of a commercial that is airing
on CNN, TNN, and some other networks, I felt inspired to spread news of
this to this site. I was over at AR15.com on the forums and there was a
bit of hoopla over a new progun anti-Clinton commercial. I don't know how
many of you have seen it but if you can take some time out of your day
to click on the link to download and view this commercial I think you'll
be glad that you did.
B. Douglas <uglygun@lightspeed.net>
Cowpie, Ca, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 06:56:24 (ZULU) (your
host address: 209.162.43.84)
Cory,
I'm a straight shot (for the most part) East on I-10 if you ever
want to go put lead down range. The only problem is the ranges around here
kinda suck. Getting more than 200 yds away is a problem. I had a buddy
stationed on Parris Island and would go to a hunt club in Yemassee for
any distance shots. He's up in LeJeune now, so I haven't gone long range
in a while. If you know of a place (maybe Osceola) that has a decent range,
let me know, I have weekends free.
Do you know why the English drink warm beer? Lucas makes refrigeration
systems, too!! I have a 72 Charger SE sitting in a buddy's garage in Upstate
NY, trying to get it down here to sunny Fla. As for the blue oval taking
the trophies, NASCAR isn't really racing any longer. I haven't seen a 355ci
Taurus, Monte Carlo or Intrepid. As for Formula One, Daimler (Mercedes
McLaren) is in the lead, both constructor and driver. Love ya', man!
No other manufacturer besides DaimlerChrysler would have the guts
to put the PT Cruiser into production! Having balls pays off. I hope the
Howler and Viper II are as successful. I'm first in line in the company
for that Power Wagon.
Chuck
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 16:46:41 (ZULU)
(your host address: 38.2.209.21)
Greetings!
Omaha , NE, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 17:15:53 (ZULU) (your
host address: 164.119.13.4)
All,
Look, some buddies and I have been talking about the problems of
heat. Not the barrel heat but the heat inside of a ghillie suit when using
it in hot weather. Well we don't have any solutions as of yet but a camel
back may help keep you hydrated. The only thing is when a ghillie is used
is in a shady area, mostly I don't put the thing on until I'm about to
start the actual creep.
Ammo, well the Winchester powders are going to be shelved. I am
going to use Hogden powders since their temp sensitivity is minimal. Varget
seems to be my guns favorite. A question, does the Hogden ball powders
exhibit any adverse performance in hot weather i.e H380?
Still fighting run out with the RCBS comp dies, gonna get the Redding
one this pay day.
Bad Karma <jwhiteII56@hotmail.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 17:26:50 (ZULU) (your host address:
206.170.184.132)
Guys,
I went to hsshf.org to watch the commercial that B. Douglas had
written about earlier. It's a great piece!! Unfortunately, I only heard
it. My computer here at work doesn't download well, so I hafta wait 'til
I get home to watch it. It's worth the time.
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 17:47:04 (ZULU)
(your host address: 38.2.209.21)
Charles: ditto on the NASCAR. Now I look at the 1/4 mile strips.
Great to watch the nationals, a 302 heavy built Mustang outrunning a Rat
Camero ;-) Lucas and warm beer. Makes sense! No wonder they're called "the
prince of darkness". As for Vipers, they're the TRUE heir to the muscle
car name. The Hennessey Venom comes to mind! Off the floor it'll do what
takes a REAL built engine to match (unless you can afford a Saleen).
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the M-25 with no stock state, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 18:22:16
(ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
John,
I shoot a Rem 700 VS in 308. I assume it has a 1/12 twist but I
have enver measured it. When I started shooting 175gr over 168gr my groups
shrank. The only bullet I shoot now is 175gr SMK, both in Fed GM2 and handloads.
I prefer the PSS stock personally. I have short fingers though.
If you can try out both at the gun store you will be better equipped to
make a decision. My dealer has the sendero for $617 and the PSS for $720,
both in 300 win mag.
If I remember "Marine Sniper" correctly, Gny. Hathcock crawled all
the way across that field so he could take a 600 yd shot instead of 1000+
yd. We all know he had made 1000+ yd shots before. It has been a long time
since I read the book so I may be wrong.
DODGE = Damned Old Dirty Garage Experiment
God Bless TX, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 18:32:58 (ZULU) (your
host address: 208.21.196.108)
Chuck, closest 1000 yard range to me is at Columbus Ga.(Benning)
its a 4 hour drive from Panyma Shitty. Our range here only goes to 300,
but it is a nice facility. I'll look around and see if there is anything
in the Starke/Gainsville area...I'm going to be at U of F Shands Hospital
for surgery on my knees soon, I gotta find a place to shoot while I'm there!
Honestly Doc, it really is good therapy for me!!
Cory <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
Panyma Shitty, Flooryda, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 18:56:37
(ZULU) (your host address: 158.252.74.17)
CQB optics question.
I am posting the question here because I have no real-world ruggedness
and reliability data for either.
Ares <ares@ezo.net>
Canton, OH, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 19:33:55 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.93.222.13)
Cory,
I'm only about a half hour NE of Gainesville, so let me know when
you're going to be in town. I know of a range in the Ocala National Forest,
but I don't know what max range is. I'll look around that area. There's
a Fla N.G. base (Camp Blanding) just outside of Gainesville, but I don't
know what kind of restrictions or facilities they have. I'll try to find
that out, too. Need anything, let me know.
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 19:36:38 (ZULU)
(your host address: 38.2.209.21)
Bravo, you need to read up on the new 2000 Mustang Cobra R, it's
got the 5.4 liter in it and it smokes! Next to Saleens S351R this Cobra
R is the hottest Ford around. It will cost about 85k just like a Viper
GTS will and it compares very favorly to the Viper. The Viper is burning
up 1/4s in mid 12s at 115-118 and the new Cobra is right there with it
in slightly higher 12s running nearly identical trap speeds. This Cobra
R is doing it with less horsepower too, I think it's part do to gearing
though. Rumour has it only 200 are going to be built this year. Come on
Ca. Super Lotto! I could use that 85 million dollar jackpot to buy a garage
full of supercars! Until something like that happens, I've got my eye out
looking for a 95 Cobra, last year of the 5.0 and first year that the Cobra
was back as an option since the 1993 model year.
B. Douglas <uglygun@lightspeed.net>
Cowpie, Ca, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 20:03:58 (ZULU) (your
host address: 209.162.47.157)
I meant H/IMR 4895, not 4831, but you knew that.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
oops!, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 21:02:24 (ZULU) (your host
address: 12.9.223.170)
Anybody tried Butch's Bore Shine? Any opinions yay or nay? I got
a small bottle of the boreshine and the oil stuff.
Smyrna, GA, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 22:16:17 (ZULU) (your
host address: 139.76.64.4)
Cleaning;
All those that know me know I hate to clean, rather shoot, but I
"DO" clean. I think you should clean as needed but all rifles are different
and some need more cleaning than others. I see everyone is worried about
copper when IMO you should be more worried about carbon. Carbon gets hard
and brittle and when you shoot a bullet or push a brush/patch thru the
bore the carbon breaks up and becomes an abrasive and cuts into the barrel.
I think that you get more barrel wear from carbon than anything else! As
for using/not using a bronze brush, I cannot see where the brush itself
can harm the barrel as it is too soft but there again it will break the
carbon loose as that is what it is supposed to do. Clean your barrel when
it is "HOT" and it will clean up faster with less bore erosion because
the carbon is soft and easy to remove.
As for the worlds worst fouling barrel I am now the "Proud" owner
of an AR with the worst barrel ever made. I clean it with 360 grit lapping
compond. It will stop fouling or the rifling will be gone. How is that
for cleaning info.
Just my two cents worth.
Jerry
Rice <nor-cal@worldnet.att.net>
American Canyon, CA, USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 23:10:59 (ZULU)
(your host address: 12.72.66.10)
The utility of a Ghillie suit has been a question I've asked before.
A well-informed individual replied to my question saying that the Ghillie,
as well as the close in stalk exercise were schoolhouse training aids and
that there is little tactical application for the Ghillie. Operationally
I would expect to exploit my ability to shoot long range to enhance my
personal survival. I am uncomfortable with the idea of stalking away from
my equipment wearing a heavy, hot and very flammable suit of burlap intending
to fire a shot at one of possibly many hostile peer opponents. My view
of the Ghillie is that it is part of the right of passage into becoming
a sniper. Build one, wear one in training and then put it away when you
deploy because it has little tactical use in the real world. The Ghillie
like a Beret or a Kilt is military regalia not often found on the battlefield.
Kevin Mussack <kmussack@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 23:11:43 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.195.27)
Shooter; that shot(the General) was estimated by Hathcock to be
700 yards, just for the record. His crawl was about 800 I believe someone
reported once.
I'm not one for ball powder as a temperature stable thing. H-380
is dirty and unpredictable in extreme temperature in my limited experience
with it. VARGET is touted to be much better. I find it a triffle hard to
ignite at times and that might make it a seem a bit temp sensitive, however
I believe that can be cured with hot primers.
I would be interested in other's observations in regard to VARGET
and temperature. Actually I thought I could detect problems with VARGET
and temperatue at times. However it shoots so much better as a rule it's
possible that other powders varied more and I couldn't tell because of
the lack of consistancy they displayed anyway.
Massa Douglas; I'm just giving you my own experience here but he
PSS's out of the box I've had wouldn't touch the Sendero's Most of the
Senderos' were flutted and stainless, but I've had all kinds in and out.
The best of all was a Sendero flutted stainless with a VARGET load with
a magnum primer. I like the PSS stock from the bench but down in the grass
the Sendero is easier for me to shoot at all angles. All my PSS's have
gone bye-bye. Doesn't mean you will find it the same though.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 23:42:23 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Jerry; I wonder if there is any value to the old Black Powder method
of swabbing the barrel with hot water drawn in by vacuum of a tight patch.
Would that soften up some of these deposits or help flush them out? Of
course I would use a copper solvent first and finish with a rust preventative
but I never saw anything cleaner than a hot water swabbed barrel on a properly
cleaned black powder rifle.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 23:51:23 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
My PSS stock went bye bye the first day after I used it the first
time. Just couldn't get used to the palm swell. Found a good deal on a
VS stock and made the switch.
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 00:28:23 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.43.144)
Optical Inputs:
Time to buy some quality glass, so would those who have "been there
and done that" share with me their thoughts on being equipped with either
Steiner M22's or one of the stabilized bino variants, such as Canon or
Fujinon. My purpose is to have quality binoculars suitable for use while
attending the major sniper trainings programs offered at the various schools
throughout the country.
Thanks.
Gonzo <ktmp5@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 00:44:44 (ZULU) (your host address:
12.25.53.68)
I would like to get input on two subjects:
Michael <seekers@webcombo.net>
Coeur d'Alene, ID, USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 00:57:53 (ZULU)
(your host address: 63.20.49.66)
Someone who knows something about Steyr SBS check out the rifle
at the following url and tell me what you think.
USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 01:05:08 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.32)
Gonzo,
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 01:14:34 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.115.34)
Str8shot - There is a product called Derma Shield that medics and
others use that protect the skin from pathogens, sulfuric acid, and other
unpleasant substances. You need to find a distributor in your area. Best
bet is to check with the local hospital. follow instructions and apply
as you would camo paint, to all exposed skin and any that MAY become exposed,
ie belly, arms, legs, etc. When you remove the Ghillie, turn it inside
out so that the poisen sap is captured until you can expose it to sunlight
and/or a though washing. You should see some of our students after a stalk
in poisen land of Fort Bragg! Those are some hurting puppies!
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 03:36:36 (ZULU)
(your host address: 64.12.104.154)
Anyone ever used any of this .308 ammo: ?
Moly Coat Sierra Matchking, 2660 FPS BTHP MATCH 168 GR???
How accurate are they? Should I start off shooting Moly bullets
in a brand new barrel??? Just checking for a good supply of ammo.
Wife still saying no new gun (but she doesn't know my Tasco 10x
SS
came in yesterday) *cough* The .308 will be mine in less than a
month...muahaha :)
J.T. Naylor <jtnaylor@flash.net>
USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 04:02:09 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.15.96.99)
Poison Oak/Ivy lessons learned the hard way. What your Grandpa said
was true: Leaves of three, let them be. Train yourself to look for shiny
(resin coated) leaves that grow in bunches of three. Sometimes they are
bushes, sometimes they are vines. They can be large or small. They'll get
ya'.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 04:18:22 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.28)
Poison IVY and oak - if you really need it gone take a small eye
dropper and carefully place drops of Javex Bleach on the areas, it hurts
but drys the area in no time at all. Doesn't cause scaring either fort
hose who might wonder. But only do this on minor cases or before it spreads
don't be bathing in bleach (or if you do don't blame me)
Also when heated the resin goes aerosol and you can get it by walking
through.
Kevin <kevmich@cadvision.com>
Canada - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 06:34:04 (ZULU) (your host address:
207.148.135.209)
Michael,
I've fired both the South African and the British rounds. Both performed
well in my semi-auto. I use them occasionally in my bolt to get on paper
before sending the expensive stuff down range. I prefer the South African
stuff, mostly because I'm Irish and German and don't like the Limies too
much. I got some S. African stuff boxed as PRC, I believe, and it fired
OK also. In my G-3 I didn't have a stoppage with either one, but it would
destroy the brass.
I run the Wolf ammo through my AK all day long. It comes both FMJ
and soft point, I believe. I haven't had a stoppage yet. They also make
some other calibers, but I haven't tried anything but 7.62x39. They use
steel instead of brass, but at $1.99 per 20, who cares about reloading?
They'll also leave some red stuff (used for water-proofing I believe) in
the lower reciever, but it cleans up.
Chuck
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 11:55:55 (ZULU)
(your host address: 38.2.209.21)
Bill R,
When I first strated using Varget I tested it at around 90 degrees
and then in the fall at around 20 degrees, across the cronograph and it
was with in a few feet of the original testing at 90 no different than
going out on a different day at the same temps. My 4895 load used to really
die in the winter time to the tune of a couple of MOA at 600yds but the
Varget was always the same as in the summer, hope this helps. I just finished
my 8th 8lb keg last night loading for Wyoming.
Pat <mrbullet@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 12:00:42 (ZULU) (your host address:
207.41.18.130)
Temp tolerant powder - has anyone tried the new Hogden powder that
is suppposed to be Varget just cut shorter? I forget the name but it sounded
promising...just a bit faster than Varget and very temp tolerant... For
me, I like IMR 4064 for trips to the range with my .308... in straight
up comparisons(to Varget), it was a bit more consistant and seemed to burn
"less hot". This suggests less bbl wear. Very unscientific, but it's my
way.. I also have a Varget load for multi-season shooting.
USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 12:21:31 (ZULU) (your host address:
12.20.190.1)
B. Douglas, If you have large hands as I do you will be happier
with the PSS stock because of the larger palm swell. I have the PSS in
.300WM and it's a great shooter with the 190grn FGM. My friend bought a
700LTR and it has the slimmer stock like the Sendero and VS. He has large
hand and he is now in the process of selling his stock so he can either
get a PSS stock or a McMillan. Other than the stocks the rifles are almost
identical as you know. So if it were me I'd get the PSS for the better
stock.
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 12:28:25 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.199.24)
Jim...
It isn't a short Varget... it's more like a slow burning H322.
Very tiny grains, and flows through a measure like water.
I ran it in a 308 with 175SMKs, and found the following:
43.6gr of varget, 42.8 of H4895, and 41.5 of "BenchMark, all gave
the same velocities, with no signs of pressure (from any of the loads).
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 13:22:31 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.191.22.47)
Cory,
After you get your knees fixed you'll have to show me where those
hogs are in the Okachobee area. I've been dying to kill something with
my HK USC .45. I want to see what a +P Golden Saber will do to something,
besides milk cartons and melons. If I have my .460 Rowland back from Clark
Custom in time I'd like to try that, too. Let me know.
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 14:20:15 (ZULU)
(your host address: 38.2.209.21)
'Lito,
Wonder if the sniper chick can outshoot the sniper dude?
Was them thar Zeiss scopes up top on their rigs??
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
Big City, By-Gawd, USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 15:54:38 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.197.181)
PeteR...
H4895 about the same.
H-BM (Benchmark)... ES was in the 20s to low 30s... SDs were in
the low teens to single digits.
It was the first day out with the 40-XB/R based M24... barrel had
10 rounds through it when I started, charges were thrown from an RCBS measure,
at the range.
This weekend, I hope to try 190-SMKs
Called my dealer and asked if he had any 190-SMKs, and he replied
"A little over a half a ton!"... now "THAT'S" a dealer!
So far, the gun is shooting 175s very well at 90 rounds through
the barrel, and is the fastest cleaning barrel I've ever owned... one wet
patch with #9, 4 swipes with a brush, a dry patch, another wet patch, and
20 minutes later the next wet patch came out "White"!!
USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 16:47:42 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.191.22.47)
Parker Hale Bipod: function question.
robert <rtschiemer@aol.com>
..., ..., USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 16:51:14 (ZULU) (your
host address: 152.163.206.207)
Robert...
It's only about $10,000,000 more than the original. You can have
a 'smith drill and tap the body of yours, and fit a screw w/knob to it.
Pick a screw that has a nylon tip, so you don't chew up the spiggot.
USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 17:07:09 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.191.22.47)
PeteR: What weight powder charge did you use for those 190s ?
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Woodbridge, NJ, USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 17:10:40 (ZULU)
(your host address: 32.97.88.100)
Tony,
77.5 gr - Hi-2821,Lo-2797, E-24, Avg -2812, Sd 9
78.0 gr - Hi-2853,Lo-2832, E-21, Avg -2841, Sd 8
78.5 gr - Hi-2874,Lo-2849, E-25, Avg -2863, Sd 9
70.0 gr - Hi-2920,Lo-2886, E-34, Avg -2905, Sd 9
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 17:39:01 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.197.208)
wHOOPS!
79.0 gr - Hi-2920,Lo-2886, E-34, Avg -2905, Sd 9
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 17:40:22 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.197.208)
All:
Morris <mparrish@oz.net>
Seattle Metro, WA, USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 17:49:29 (ZULU)
(your host address: 216.39.131.44)
Chaps,
WARNE MOUNTS for STEYR SSG.
A few weeks ago I mentioned that I was having problems with a set
of mounts that Warne had sent me to fit an SSG. I had a bit of a saga and
was about to write the whole thing (and the $136) off to experience.....
However; I eventually established comms with Dave Wilcox at Warne
whose service since has been absolutely exemplary:
Warne have now re-tooled to produce a QD mount to fit the SSG. They
refunded my original purchase, and then sent me a free pair of the new
mounts!! (remember I'm in UK!) That is, in my opinion, outstanding service!!
The mounts appear excellent, with a 3-12x50 S&B PM1 (30mm tube)they
give 2.2mm objective - barrel clearance; just what I wanted!
SSG owners, ditch Steyr's own brand 'carrying handle height' mounts
and get some Warne's!
Very Happy!
Matt
Matt <mt@mtwilks.fsnet.co.uk>
UK - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 18:11:35 (ZULU) (your host address:
195.92.198.77)
Hi all. I could use some good tested .308 loads using both the 168
SMK and the 175 SMK. The brass will be either Federal Match or Lake City
Match. My friend and I will both be shooting them from 1 in 12" twist barrels,
his a stock 26" 700P and mine a 24" Lothar Walther Match with a match chamber.
Brass length and OAL would be appreciated if you have it along with any
other info that you think would help. Thanks.
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 18:32:34 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.197.163)
To all -
Semper Fi...
Darren <darren@darrendong.com>
San Francisco, CA, USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 22:30:05 (ZULU)
(your host address: 207.247.204.20)
Chuck..aw, you guessed my secret spot for wild hogs! I was stationed
in the Okeechobee area when I was a cub Ranger. The hogs are some of the
biggest in the state down there. Deer hunting sucks down there, I mean
there are alot of deer, just not a lot of weight to them. Deer are much
healthier up here...One of the reasons I transfered. plus I'm closer to
the in-laws place in Arkansas. The hunting is even better there!
Cory <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
Panama City, FL, USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 22:33:24 (ZULU)
(your host address: 158.252.74.35)
First I would like to thank everyone for their input on 308 ammo,
it seems the consenses was pretty consistant. The South African was preferred
over the British (Radway) ammo for econimical shooting. For accuracy/hunting
the personally reloaded was WAY out front. (I will be reloading but was
set up for 300 WM and didn't have a 308 until I got this AR10)
Michael <seekers@webcombo.net>
Coeur d'Alene, ID, USA - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 23:23:27 (ZULU)
(your host address: 63.15.161.220)
Cpl Ray Zivkow,
Hey to all who fires just the one shot,
Increadable site you have here.Member of the RCR of Canada and EXTREMELY
proud to have been 3 Commando Canadian Aeroborne Regiment.
Presently took the long highway to be Flight Engineer for a Tactical
Helo SQN in Canada.All my training in shooting as a commando has lead me
to be a consecuative winner in all range qualifications since 93.Don't
ever forget; shooting/sniping IS NOT like falling off of a bike.Either
you have it or you don't...
Ray S. Zivkow <wildcats@total.net>
ST-LUC, Que, Canada - Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 23:50:28 (ZULU)
(your host address: 154.5.101.200)
Michael de Coeur d'Alene...
The Leica 800 was 'posed to be the end all, but they sucked big
time, and most have been recalled...
Leica had little to do with them, except put their name on the box...
They were designed and build by a totally separate company.
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 00:08:27 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.191.22.47)
Pablito, (Little Frank?)
Michael <Seekers@webcombo.net>
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 00:30:00 (ZULU) (your host address:
63.27.107.84)
Michael...
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 00:56:26 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.191.22.47)
Pat; thanks for your take on it. Many factors get involved. The
Varget is probably as good as it's supposed to be. I shoot it in everything
I can anyway. The shift I noted was probably caused by something else.
I believe I trust your results more than mine on that matter. As
I recall you probably test more through than I do as a rule.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 01:18:03 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Ohh.. that's right Frank is Paco, I'm not Hispanic either but when
I was in Law Enforcement a friend started calling me Miguelito, little
Mike, I am 6-1 and was about 275, English, German, 1/4 Cherokee.
Wife says I can be 100% A** Hole!
Michael <seekers@webcombo.net>
Coeur d'Alene, ID, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 01:20:46 (ZULU)
(your host address: 63.27.107.161)
Cory,
It wasn't hard to figure out. I"m from Brevard County (or there
abouts)originally. I've heard there's some feral pig in Osceola, which
is right between us. I've got a couple of buddies just raring to go (you
and I would be the only vets). I figured I'd take a 2 hour dive with a
25% success rate over a 6 hour drive at 50%. Maybe on a good weekend excursion
I'll hit Okeechobee with my buddy who's still in the Corps. You can guide
us since us Recon guys are so bad at land nav! If you can take leave of
the wife, that is.
You can come too, you'll just have to leave the great white north
for a couple of days!
You too! Even if you were Officer material! If you don't mind hanging
with us enlisted types.
Chuck
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 01:39:18 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.253.149.185)
I purchased a Bushmaster (post-ban) lower and wanted to put a DPMS
upper wirh a S.S. free floated 16" barrel. My question is how close are
the finishes on these to MIL-SPEC parts? Is there going to be enough of
a diffrence to merit a new finish? And last of all are these two brands
true MIL-SPEC and will the work well together? Thanks, Daren
Daren Yancey <darenyancey@hotmail.com>
Blackfoot, Idaho, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 01:39:47 (ZULU)
(your host address: 204.228.203.34)
Rifle Shopping:
Robar SR 90
Accuracy International AW
Sig-Sauer SSG 3000
Erma SR100
Blaser R93 LRS2
Gonzo <ktmp5@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 01:40:44 (ZULU) (your host address:
12.25.53.87)
Lito...Thank god I read your comment on the Leica Laser Range finder,
I was giving serious thought to buying one just because it said Leica on
them.
Cory <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
Panama City, Fl., USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 02:00:40 (ZULU)
(your host address: 158.252.74.102)
Pablito,
North <Kettlebelly@hotmail.com>
Kansas City, Mo, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 02:10:36 (ZULU) (your
host address: 134.32.107.226)
I was testing some different hand loads throught my chronograph
yesterday. I was shooting 5 shot strings of .223 in a bolt action remington
700 built by Tac-Ord. I loaded 26.5gr. of IMR 4895(RCBS electronic powder
despenser and scale) with a 50gr.Sierra Blitzking. My brass has been uniformed
in every way. I get excellent groups of 1/4"@ 100 yards but my standard
deviation is around 10 fps with the high minus the low vel. around 25-30.
I know my groups are good but is there any way to lower my S.D. and High/Low
vel. or are they close enough? Is they a magic number I should shoot for?
Daren Yancey <darenyancey@hotmail.com>
Blackfoot, Idaho, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 02:18:32 (ZULU)
(your host address: 204.228.203.34)
Thanks Chuck, it's been ages since I was down in Florida. And whadda
ya mean small deer? Just 'cause they weigh in before dressing a little
less than the dog did.... Enlisted? The problem is I'm fat, dumb and lazy
now! Just don't hurt me ;-)
Really, if I were to get into a bolt gun now, I'd go with (in this
order): A Winchester like CDC or 'Litos, a (ahem) Remington by Geoff, or
a nifty Nighthawk (Jerry-gun) like Mike and Michael had. Reason I say this:
As either CDC or 'Lito will tell you, those things shoot, probably better
than I can. CDC makes his rather nice 'ol lady really proud anyway. Geoff
can build one that'll make ragged holes, if you want a target rifle that'll
go super accurate and be very rugged. But oh, that nifty can that Jerry
has, is WAY cool (unless you're too close to the side). And Jerry, I'm
not getting fresh talking about your can!
Brew Master Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
Gonna play some Jimmy Buffet and get a beer, USA - Friday, August 18,
2000 at 02:51:47 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.159)
Bravo: She isn't always so nice. You'll have a practical demonstration
of that fact if she finds out that you called her an "old lady".
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 03:00:00 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.237.85)
CDC: it's a "kinder, gentler, 1000 points of pain" slang. Nothing
meant in the least. I'm just kind of in an "anti-wife" mode right now.
You know, you never appreciate what you have until it's gone, I just want
to be more appreciative! Any wife that says you should buy another rifle
though, She's a keeper!
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
trying to stay out of trouble, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 03:15:07
(ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.159)
Rangefinders: I bought one of the Leica LRF 800 rangefingers and
at first I thought that is was very cool (Leica name, small and very clear
optics) Then I tried to use it and at distances beyond 250 yards it didn't
work well at all. The longest reading that I ever got was 557 yards and
that was ranging a building head on. I tried to use it at Mike's class
in New Mexico, but it was so sketchy I gave up using it after the first
day.
I did tell the nice customer service lady that I would be happy
to take a Geovid in trade! (I don't think that she liked me that much....)
My wife sounds a lot like yours....
Michael Sheehan <mike1000@pacbell.net>
San Jose, CA, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 03:37:25 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.192.208.6)
Not exactly a "Sniper" question, but... anyone shot the Glock 33?
Its a sub-compact 357 Sig. I got the 26 and 36. (9mil and 45) Great! Shot
Smith's full size version. I appreciate comments from people who know what
they're talking about, and I get credible info here.
Robert <snyder@mesh.net>
God's country in, Texas, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 04:12:28
(ZULU) (your host address: 63.145.100.22)
Bravo,
I appreciate your response to my request for suggestions on purchasing
a quality rifle, and even though my initial interest is in the several
rifles I listed, I am open to other recommendations. The problem is that
not being as well versed as you and the rest of the regular participants
to this board I found your message a bit cryptic. Would you please explain
in layman's terms which riflemakers and rifles you are referring to.
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 04:41:32 (ZULU) (your host address:
12.25.53.77)
Gonzo: Choosing the rifle depends a little bit on what you want
to do with it and how much money you want to invest and whether you want
just own an expensive sniper rifle or whether you just want to shoot and
shoot.
Heikki Juhola <juhola@luukku.com>
Helsinki, Finland - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 06:46:25 (ZULU) (your
host address: 193.65.143.15)
M3LR Question:
I've just started using my new M3LR and have a question. It seems
to be slightly out of focus when the parallax is adjusted at 100 yards.
By this I mean that the crosshairs don't move in relation to the target
but the target is a little out of focus. If I focus the scope there is
a bunch of reticle shift. After looking through the scope for a while it
seems like my eyes adjust but when I focus at the target with my eyes off
the scope and then look through the scope the target appears to be out
of focus. I'm getting older and have had some changes in my vision. Has
anyone had this experience? If so what can be done?
Thanks,
Kevin
Kevin R. Mussack <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 11:40:22
(ZULU) (your host address: 205.188.192.59)
Hi everybody
Could anybody help me in identifying the model ? The previous owner
told me it is a Sendero but I think it's a VS. How can I find the model
? Thanks in advance.
Matteo <mregazzi@libero.it>
Rome, RM, ITALY - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 11:46:47 (ZULU) (your
host address: 194.247.183.162)
North...
Very good design (for what it is), veeeeery bad execution. Cheap
optics, uncoated double surface mirrors, yadda, yadda, yadda...
It uses superimposed images of two opposite colors (yellow/blue),
that cancel (nutralize) when "at range", instead of split images like "real"
optical rangefinders.
Best range I ever got was 275, with a +/-25 yds, so it's ok if you
shoot a .22 Hornet, or .218 Bee.
The machanics are good, and if you're handy with optics, it could
be overhauled into a good 500yd passive rangefinder... otherwise, PASS!!!!!
If you don't need light weight, or have a strong spotter, look at
the Swiss "Wild" (pronounced "Vild")... they are big and heavy, and around
$800-1000, but will give you +/- 10 feet readings at 1000 meters. I have
one for dog shooting, and NOTHING can beat it.
Lasers are good against big facing targets, like houses, tanks,
sides of hills, deer... but they are ineffective when used against very
small targets in a cluttered, flat field, like dog towns, or flat prairies
Your Extreme spread, and Standard Deviation are VERY GOOD!
Don't worry, "BE HAPPY"!
"You know, you never appreciate what you have until it's gone, I
just want to be more appreciative!"
Guy... I can't tell you how much I appreciate my three "Ex" wives
:)))))
The difference between wives and Sheepies... They don't argue, they
like beer, they don't care how much you spend on that new riffle, they
don't go shopping... AND they love to (I won't go there ;)
On the fiberglass... call McMillen, and they'll tell you.
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 11:54:03 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.191.22.47)
Rob,
I use the lake city brass and use 45grs of Varget with the 168s
I have not shot any 175s yet. The varget load will push the 168s to 2800
out of my rifle so I have stayed with the 168s. Another really great load
is 43 to 44 grs of 4364 in the 308.
I got the picture of your stove but not the rifle!!! Sounds like
you have a pretty good shooting rifle there also, so now you won't have
any excuses(HA). I will be taking my 6.5x284 to Wyoming next week to field
test it on a "Real" long range match, damn thing is heavy but I'll let
Jr. pack it for me(HA). The Guard was good enough to let him partner up
with me.
Pat <mrbullet@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 12:02:20 (ZULU) (your host address:
207.41.18.130)
Gonzo: I won't give advice on which of those rifles to buy, but
I'll suggest you consider an alternate approach. Unless you are already
a highly accomplished shot you could buy a Rem 700 or Win 70, adjust the
trigger, install a top quality scope/ring/mount system and shoot it 'till
the barrel falls off. THEN you send it to one of the hot-rod gunsmiths.
No point burning out a high $$$ barrel just getting the hang of it, and
the stockers still work pretty good.
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 12:22:10 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.37)
Gonz; get you a Remington Sendero or PSS if you prefer and see how
it performs. If you want to spend some money there are plenty of places
to do that but if it shoots good out of box with a trigger job.. spend
the money on Ammo and new barrels. If you just want the thrill of owning
a "tricked out gun" I have no problem with it. Send it to Jerry Rice and
have one of the best looking and best shooting guns around with a great
little device on the front end that makes it a Sniper weapon of choice.
OF those you mentioned the ROBAR would be my shelf pick or the TRG. But
I'd not spend the money... that's your call. I don't know ...can you still
get a "Chandler"? guys.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 12:46:44 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Kevin.
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 14:04:59 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.115.244)
I read some of the comments about building a "sniper" rifle with
a 98 Mauser. OK, so the Mauser stays in the closet.
Gregor Switca <switca@hotmail.com>
Wilmington, SE, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 14:53:12 (ZULU) (your
host address: 216.155.43.45)
Gonzo;
Start with a Remington, stock or custom!! IMO you cannot beat a
Remington no matter who makes it and the after market products for Rem.
are unlimited, not so for all the others. If you are just starting go with
a standard Rem. with a trigger job and maybe a bedding job and shoot the
H**l out of it. When you are ready for something better you have the action
to build on and you will have the best of the best. If you are going to
start with a custom, have a good smith build it and you will never have
to look back and it will out shoot anything else out there.
Just my two cents worth.
Jerry
Rice <nor-cal@worldnet.att.net>
American Canyon, CA, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 14:57:41 (ZULU)
(your host address: 12.72.65.22)
Bravo;
I guess you should feel honored that Mike let you shoot his Night
Hawk. He usally does not let it get more than arms length from him and
it does not get shot as much as his other rifles, does not want to shoot
the barrel out, but it does shoot well. He likes FGM 175's for it over
the 168's as it seems to like them a little better, <3/8" opposed to
3/8", I cannot see the diff. but I am not as good a shot as he is and I
guess it is his working rifle so he uses the best and it does not suprise
me that he would have a fit if he thought you were going to shoot mil.
through it.
Enough of my rambling. Out of here.
Jerry
Rice <nor-cal@worldnet.att.net>
American Canyon, CA, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 15:19:21 (ZULU)
(your host address: 12.72.65.22)
Gonzo,
Go fancy in the US of A and if you have a problem, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 15:29:48 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.197.189)
Just a quick post before I take the kids on a week long vacation?
I think painting the gong is less work.LOL
MikeMiller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 15:58:00 (ZULU) (your host
address: 205.188.196.36)
Rifle Purchase Saga:
Gonzo <ktmp5@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 16:46:00 (ZULU) (your host address:
12.25.53.92)
Gonzo/Scopes: The guys did this again a week or so ago. It's been
done to death. Check the last couple weeks' archives.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 17:08:26 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.237.88)
CDC,
Thanks for the heads-up!
Gonzo <ktmp5@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 18:37:06 (ZULU) (your host address:
12.25.53.100)
Michael: the pics are on thier way as soon as I learn how to use
the blankity blank scanner. Nothing can be as easy as it seems. If you
want hard copies, let me know. I didn't take a lot though, all either after
graduation or the next morning.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as the, USA - Friday, August 18,
2000 at 19:11:08 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
Bravo and Cory,
Seriously, we should all get together. I'm single, so I have a couple
of spare rooms. The ex said it was the guns or her, you see who won ;}
I never hunted in Brevard at all. Most of my hunting time was in
N.Y. and S.C. The best I've done in Florida was an armadillo or two out
of spite and they're hard to clean and don't taste much better than field
mouse. Actually I was born in Daytona, but lived in Melbourne for a while.
Let me know when you're in Gainesville, I need to get my motorcycle serviced
and that's the closest Buell dealer.
I hope everything's going well with the scope!
Chuck
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 20:23:43 (ZULU) (your
host address: 38.2.209.21)
Good after noon roster-dudes,
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , NY, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 20:46:19 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.72)
Charles...
A Buell... right on Dudeski!
How long did it take to get your Alice back.
I want to send mine, but don't want to get it back in December.
"Gun Slut" <condor@mags.net>
'lookin for that barefoot Country slut in cut-offs, and a wet tee-shirt
;)..., USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 21:02:41 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.191.22.47)
Chuck: in south Texas, cow tipping was passe. After the keg floated,
it was somewhat typical to find people 'diller hunting. The weapon of choice
was always Louisville Sluggers. You can whack 'em, but they're actually
quite fast, and erratic (if you've helped float the keg). As for the Buell
:-) I can only afford Hondas, but they are dependable screamers. Just not
nearly as cool.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
wishing UPS would show up, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 21:24:07
(ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
Bravo: There are good shots on this site, and I'm not one of them.
USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 21:27:34 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.18)
Fellow rosterfarians, I need help!
I finally received my Sako TRG-S in 338 Lapua after a mere 2 month
wait. I plan on writing a review of it because it is the only affordable
rifle in this awesome caliber. However, before I can test it I need some
ammunition. Since this is a non standard caliber I am having trouble finding
loading data. I cannot afford to shoot factory ammo exclusively at $3/shot.
I know some of you out there shoot this cartridge, where did you get your
load data? I know asking for pet loads is taboo, but I need a place to
start. Any info would be very helpful.
God Bless TX, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 21:42:44 (ZULU) (your
host address: 208.21.196.108)
Bravo, 'Lito, and any one else who has looked at the Tactical Tailor,
-New kidney pad
-Storm flap
-Enlarged radio pocket
-Camelback pouch on left side of pack
-Had them re-enforcfe stress points on the pack
-Carry strap
-I.V. bag ( goes in the space between the kidney pad and frame
-Had them replace the pocket buckles.
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , NY, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 21:58:52 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.93)
All: (Gun Slut)
Dude - If I controlled the mail routing for your domain - we'd surely
setup a GunSlut@yourdomain.com for ya :)
Nokesville, Va, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 22:18:00 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
Gregor, Re MN Sniper rifles.
I have a couuple of those Mosin Nagant rifles. I prefer the Finnish
M-39 to all others. I did nothing to the rifle other than add a scope &
bend the bolt. It had a good looking barrel to begin with. The first time
that I shot it with the scope on, it put 10 shots into a group that you
could cover with a business card at 200 yards. Here is a picture of the
rifle and target; (the target is a reduced B-27 meant to be shot at 50
feet with a pistol.)
S.C.D.H., Ohio, USA - Friday, August 18, 2000 at 22:24:24 (ZULU) (your
host address: 205.212.148.209)
"... go with a Remington 700 (or Win 70 if you can find a good one)."
Do barefooted sheepies, in cutoffs, count??, USA - Friday, August 18,
2000 at 23:13:17 (ZULU) (your host address: 24.191.22.47)
All,
Of all the powders that I've tested I think Varget has proven itself
the king in my rifle. I will try other powders that I have yet to develop
loads for. H380 is very promising thus far and I need to do some further
load developing to see if it is as consistant as Varget.
Has anyone tried Benchmark yet, especially with 168 SMK and 175
SMK? I've read a little about it in Handloader magazine but no comprehensive
load data. I'm sure it will be a matter of time.
I'm about to start the load development phase for my .300 Win Mag
Sendero. If anyone can give me some insight on a good place to start in
load data I'd be most greatfull. I hope to use the 200gr SMKs to get the
long range advantage of the bullets high B.C.
Bad Karma <jwhiteII56@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, August 19, 2000 at 00:39:31 (ZULU) (your host address:
206.170.184.117)
Bravo,
Bad Karma <jwhiteII56@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, August 19, 2000 at 00:46:26 (ZULU) (your host address:
206.170.184.117)
Evening,
I have been lurking on the site for some time and I think the site
and the people are pretty cool. The info here is outstanding.
I have a couple of questions to throw out there. I have a factory
Rem VLS .308 That I have pillar and glass bedded w/ free floated barrel.
Using a dummy round with a smoked 168 sierra in it I chamber the
round and it ends up 2.965". Max mag length 2.810. W/O shooting single
shots
how do you get around the mag being short. Should I have the factory
bbl. set back ? What is the std. length of a factory match round (LC)?
Are there after market mags out there with more length? Also what do you
do to increase the round cap. to 5 instead of 4. My standard long range
varmit round is a nosler BT set to 2.795" it holds sub M.O.A.out to 500y
but I would really like to develop a nice match round. Final question why
are super heavy scope mounts so important. I use the Leupold std long range
base and
