August 01, 2000 - August 05, 2000
I've now sent it to Leupold twice in the past month. Initially it was b/c the 1/4 MOA clicks were a bit off. They fixed that and adjusted the parallax. Got it back and found that to bring my 100-yd target into crisp focus (at 14x) I had to turn the AO to 400!
Sent it back, they swore up and down that it was working fine. It was set at 4.5x when I got it back. I checked and sure enough, crisp at 100-yds meant 400 on the AO.... I've gotta talk to them tomorrow and see if they actually tested it manually at 14x b/c at 4.5x it's hard to see the difference.
Anyone experienced this before? Any suggestions? What the hell?
Feel free to respond direct...and thank you!
Mat <nanook@voyager.net>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 01:39:04 (ZULU) (your host address:
207.90.126.107)
Looks like the STG/L1A1 and the M1A are in the lead. The prices for a quality STG are in the same range as the M1A but the mags are cheaper. The M1A has better iron sights. The STG has less moving parts and gas adjustment. What's a mother to do? Before I take a dive, please indulge a couple more questions:
If I get the M1A loaded package, is the night vision scope offered with the loaded deal any good? Definitely not interested in the Springfield scope or mount unless I get the NV.
If I get the L1A1, what other accessories/parts do I need to figure on purchasing, other than mags of course?
I really don't care to scope this weapon unless I go with NV on the M1A1. Have enough invested in scoped bolt guns now. This will be just a field rifle to compliment the PSS.
Bolt now lets this ordeal rest, know you're glad of that!
Bolt Out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 02:15:01 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.190.223)
The scope that Springfield ships with their ex-IDF sniper rifles would appear to be the old AN/PVS-2, a GEN 1 scope that has been obsolete in US service for decades. It is probably better than a lot of the Russina stuff out there, but it should not be confused with a modern piece of gear. The next NVD equipment I buy will definatly be GEN II or better. Much more effective and durable.
On FAL must-have spares, there realy isnt too much outside of mags that you need. The one special tool I would recomend would be the one needed to pull the extractor, which in the FAL scheme of things would appear to be an armorer rather than end-user task. There are several good, sturdy and fairly cheap scope mounts available for the FAL, an impossible combination to find for the M14. You might want one for group testing and ammo selection, if nothing else.
-Tom
Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Colatown, SC, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 03:10:55 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.31.204.125)
Okay gang - took on the Badger Rings on the heavy Remington... aka .308 towed according to the Major. I took pictures as promised and put some words to them as done earlier...
Take a read - Lapping
Badgers.
P.S. you salty types - feel free to give guidance about this stuff
- Ima learning as I go along...
Enjoy!
Ken :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
Nokesville, Va, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 03:17:28 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
Ken
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
Nokesville, VA, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 03:18:47 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
My thanks to all who responded to my questions regarding which AR varient to buy. Bushmaster is in the lead, so far.
Anyone read the papers recently? Local paper here in Seattle (The Seattle Times) had several articles of callouts over what appears to be anger issues. Is it my imagination or are agencies getting more callouts this summer season than last, particularly with angry barricaded subjects? From my vantage as a street cop, people are generally angrier and more short tempered these days. Anyone else, cop or citizen, see this as well? (our callout rate for the team (county tactical) has been the same but the number of angry folks has dramatically increased)
Last, has anyone done business with a ghillie maker by the name of Mike Stanberry? He seems like a decent person and appears to make some nice ghillies but was curious if anyone else had worked with him or bought ghillies from him.
Thanks!
Morris
Morris <mparrish@oz.net>
Seattle Metro, WA, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 05:03:31 (ZULU)
(your host address: 216.39.131.90)
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 10:17:09 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
How does the new Nightforce NXS stack up aginist those Godly Leupolds?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Seriously, anyone have any comments about these high dollar numbers?
Danny
Danny Reever <dreever@supernet.com>
Arendtsville, Pa, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 11:21:50 (ZULU)
(your host address: 165.83.118.152)
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 12:09:48 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.237.107)
The Shooter <kkonen@usa.net>
God Bless TX, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 13:45:00 (ZULU) (your
host address: 208.21.196.108)
In regards to your question about Call-outs for the SWAT teams, I
agree that there seems to be an increase of barricaded confrontations.
I live in Ky not far from Louisville, and this past weekend there were
5 shootings: one murder-suicide by an abusive boyfriend, two drive bys,
a gunfight between two drunks, and one more, but the details escape me
at the moment. This is not typical for Louisville according to the police
chief.
There have been several incidents of barricaded suspects requiring
SWAT intervention this year. Fortunately, most have ended without anyone
getting killed.
Bill
Bill B <dc8plumber@aol.com>
Ky, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 14:36:21 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.196.24)
Mini-14's. Now, what if I said I could get one:
that weighed within 1/2 pound (+/- half pound) of a M-4
has a 16.25" barrel + flash hider, and printed 4 to 6" at 400 yards
and totally reliable, with a good (spelled aftermarket) trigger.
Made by the same guy that supplied them to the SEAL FAC team that lead the way into Kuwait, among many other odd teams and groups.
Spoke to the guy in detail last night (hour or so), and he sounds like a smart cookie. Brought up the fact that the guy that designed the Mini was on the design team that came up with the M-14 from the Garand, so the design is sound, but the execution sucks.
I'm gonna check his references, he says Clint Smith would welcome one of his rifles since he's had plenty of first hand experience with this individual's work, but turns away all other Mini's in a heartbeat.
Or, failing that, taking a rack grade M1A to the CQB class ;-)
Thanks!
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as the, USA - Tuesday, August 01,
2000 at 17:51:06 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
-Marv
marv <mahaugen@ccsd.k12.wy.us>
wy, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 18:34:08 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.181.22.66)
Bravo. damm dude you are killing me with this Mini 14 thing. I said
what I thought of them. You buy and show up with what ever you like. I
would try and teach you to get the most out of a sling shot. The SEALs
using Mini 14? You make a mistake maybe? Last I heard the work out gods
used M4 and M14's for the most part. I would like to see the thought process
that suggested any Mini 14 was half as good as a M4 or M14. Must be that
great gas system or captured recoil guide rod, oh sorry the Mini 14 has
neither. Even if you get one to work fairly well, magazines are slow to
change and the good magazines are hard and expensive to find.Last bit of
advice never try and make something out of nothing. You will end up with
a mini 14 that cost morte than a good AR. Just get an AR/CAR and you wont
be sad.
Mike Miller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 18:49:12 (ZULU) (your host
address: 205.188.193.29)
Has anyone had the oppertunity to shoot Black Hills diamond line
of 6.5x284 W/142 gr. BTHP?
There is some delay in getting components. One lot was produced
and there was not enough to supply the demand it seems.
Any thoughts or experiences are greatly appereciated.
Bill B. <Byfords@obtnet.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 20:29:16 (ZULU) (your host address:
4.20.172.115)
I just can't afford the $85 Armalite wants per 20 rounder.
Thanks Again,
Mike
seekers <seekers@webcombo.net>
Coeur d'Alene, ID, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 20:33:33 (ZULU)
(your host address: 63.20.49.187)
THere is no reason to look anywhere else than the flat top AR15A2 varients for the best 5.56 assault type rifle PERIOD.
Any of you guys see write up on the SA M-21 in the lastest issue of "Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement" Typical gun rag. The first 10 test shots were off due to loose scope mounts and the author proclaims that the rifle is "Special Ops ready".
Makes me wanna hurl!
I think I have some beer left.......
Out here
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 22:28:31 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.159)
If you feel lucky, take your paycheck to Las Vegas. And buy a nice Bushmaster.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 23:05:36 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.28)
Now settled on STG for the money and the mag cost. Now to pick from the hundred million different combinations. Think the L1A1 is in the lead, couple of good ones for sale on GunsAmerica if anyone wants to preview them for me, hint hint hint!
Still have a Steyr SPP for sale if anyone is so inclined.
Ken, glad you made it through the lapping session, you must not have gotten it right if it only took you 2.5 hours LOLLOLLOL. Now don't forget to torque the screws properly! Gosh, where did I learn that?
Bolt out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 23:52:01 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.44.12)
If I remember correctly, feeding and jam's were the issue.
You would be wise indeedy, if you get some feedback from a FEW people who have run these dude's.
Are there any Brit's,that post here?.
That would have the working knowledge of these units.
Again, no concrete article I can put a finger on, but do remember a problem area w/ them.( maybe rectified, don't know).
for what it's worth......Two Shoes
Two Shoes <tls8323@cs.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 02:02:09 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.197.48)
Think I'll just get another bolt gun and design a 20 round mag for
it! Gimme that hacksaw!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 03:16:28 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.44.12)
TLMAO! G.W.L.E. is definately "sniper ready", great for Deepest-Darkest-emunctory
actions on the porcelain throne. Don't waste the good stuff hurling.............
Bravo,
Ruuuu? Ruuuug Mmmi-mmmmmini Whaaaat? Get a BM-59 Dude! Get a AR-10,
Get a Stoner, Next we'll have you and Wild Bill teamed up and outshooting
all of us with'em .300 WinMagMan,
Ken,
Nice job and pix you compulser you. Any word on the Huntress? Safe
and sound?
Chao!
To my knowlege, the L1A1 is no more or less inherantly reliable than
a metric FAL. In fact the Commonwealth variants have additional clearance
cuts in the reciever andd bolt carrier to make the gun more crud-tolerant.
The major issue with a true L1A1 is that they use a rather different magazine
that is much less common that the metric mag. To further complicate things,
IMBEL receivers are avaialble with both inch (from Century Arms, on sale
this month for $210) and metric (about everywhere else) mag wells. Make
sure that, whatever you get, it take METRIC magazines.
Oh, two additional FAL gizzies that I thought I might mention as
worth having: an Israeli cocking handle (it's larger and gives you a forward
bolt assist) and a Commonwealth-pattern top cover with open front and integral
stripper clip guide. The latter requires two slight mill cuts to the standard
metric receiver to fit but otherwise slides right on.
Bolt, when you say that you want a "L1A1", just what do you mean?
If you mean that literaly, the be advised that many L1A1 and C1A1 parts
sets on the US market are in relativly poor condition compaired to the
StG-58 parts sets. As for the Indian parts that somoetimes pop up, dont
bother. There are actualy fout different specs for FAL parts out ther in
the world: Inch, Metric, Israeli (mostly compatible with Metric but with
a few excpetions) and Indian. These last were made without licence from
FN from a handful of backwards-engineered rifles and are their own little
world dimentionaly.
Personaly, I would focus on getting a known-good basic rifle first
(IMBEL and StG-58, hold the pickle, hold the mayo) and *then* we can talk
about how to set it up *just* for you. :)
As for Mini 14s, I been aroud a number of them and, while they certainly
rank right up their with the AKM as a benchrest rifle, they have always
functioned very well. What is breaking on all these guns in the tactical
schools? The only one I ever actualy saw with something broken on in my
time in the gunsmith biz was a Ranch Rifle with a busted rear sight.
Mike/Seekers seeking Inch mags for AR-10 (?):
I don't thing thats gonna' work, m'man. The AR-10 mag is very closely
related to the M-14 mag. The FAL mag is a rather different animal from
the M-14 mag. The Metric ones are a fair bit wider, for one thing. I dont
know if the Inch mags are any narrower but there are other differences,
anyway.
-Tom
Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
PeteR: If I could FIND a BM-59, and AFFORD the mags, it'd be quite
the rifle! I've had the pleasure of playing with one for an hour or so
(my ammo), but I had to leave it with it's owner. You jest, but if I thought
I could get away with it for real, I'd take a rack grade M1A or FAL out
there. You get the idea I love John Garand and his many decendants?
All right, I'll "go with the flow" and do the CAR type. Just don't
think that this makes me a victim of peer pressure! After all, I was told
M1A's won't do what mine does either ;-) And as a SUPER wise man on the
M-14's said very recently, it's surprizing how many times you hear someone
calling for a AR armorer at the national matches, and it's also surprizing
how many times you DON'T hear someone calling for a M-14 armorer.
Mike: I was told that it was the PT superstars that ordered and had
delivered via APO something like a dozen of them. Will I stand up and say
that? Well, I'll stand up and say that was what I was told..... Oh, and
what's the best weight and material for slingshot pellets? JOKE!!
Have a quick recovery James and Mike, keep up with the 'yote bait
anyway LOL.
SGT Williams
You should not have to lap badger rings if the action is square and
the base is good everything should be perfect!
Lastly IF! you have to lap in the ring bottoms you DO NOT! need to
lap the tops! they will float to find center! they are just STEEL DUCT
TAPE with screws! think about it..do the math, physics will set you free.
Martin <Badgerord@aol.com>
I mounted a scope on mine and shoot MOA at 100yds easily with federal
ammo. I believe the rifle (Century FA91) is capable of shooting close to
MOA at 300yds. The scope that is on it is not the best. I am planning to
upgrade, however my Rem 700 shoots better and better for every dollar I
spend on it....
So in my opinion for less that $1000 i got exactly what I was looking
for. Which included rifle, scope, rings and a case. I haven't had any problems
with it yet.
bryan
All this talk of QBC, Mini14 v.s. CAR Etc made me take a look at
the Bushmaster Catalog that was collecting dust on the shelf, and that
has prompted these curiosity questions:
Flash suppressor/brake options on a rifle is overwhelming. For qbc
Im assuming you want one, but what style is best?
To the entry team guys out there: On page 33 of the latest bushmaster
catalog they show the "Phantom" suppressor. and a quote from the catalog,
they state " The Phantoms leading edges can become a bayonet style weapon
in hand to hand combat situations"
Bravo or DC8; what is the purpose of of the flash suppressor on the
m14. how does it effect accuracy? Does anyone make a m1a barrel with a
non flash suppressed target crown?
Im new and full of questions- please forgive me all :-)
thanks- Rick
I also noticed the Phantom flash hider, and that is what I specified
for use on my AR buildup. Geoff says that there is a new flash hider for
use with the (yeah, gonna reference them again) PT heroes, and it really
works well, but he told me that it would cost $200. NOPE! And I will take
Geoff's word for what stuff goes out there, he has the credentials to prove
it.
Go get 'em Bill! Just don't have a coronary in the process! ;-)
I'm working on a new tactical/hunting play rifle chambered for 6.5/06
ack imp 40 degree. Has anyone played with this cal. using 142 sierra matchkings,
Berger 140s or Sierra 140 Gamekings ? Is the proper method of forming the
cases to neck up a 25/06 than load and fire form for the ack ? Anyone have
any load data for a medium burning powder ?
The rifle is a Manlycher action flat bolt, Canjar trigger, Hart 21"
barrel and McMillan McHale adjustible stock. Optic is a custom rail mount,
Mark 4 rings and Mark 4 10x mildot scope.
Any feedback would be welcome. Thanks..
Has any one come across a MK4 with round mil dots? I was doing a
little mil dot ranging today ( a little rain earlier, range is a mud bog)
and I noticed that the dots on my reticle are not the football shaped dots.
I know that Leupold does not put round dots except on their laser etched
MK4 M3a's that the Army uses. Any of you ever seen this, did I just luck
out?
Kush out
I went with a 21" barrel because I have a lot of long range cals.
already and I just wanted to play with something different. A mid range
tac driver around 2800 fps with more balance from a shorter barrel and
less weight was what I was looking for. With some of the faster powders
I don't forsee much of a problem in obtaining these results.
Thanks....
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
My Mk4-M3 has round dots.
"ALL" Mildot Mark-4 scopes (M1 and M3) direct from Leupold, have
round dots, on glass... Mark-4 scopes that have been sold by Premier, or
re-fitted by Premier, have football dots on wire.
For the M3-LR's... all of them, whether from Lupita, or Premier,
have football dots on wire... no round dots are available for the M3-LR's.
'lito
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
Guess I'm gonna load up some blasting 5.56 ammo in preparation of
the CAR type's return. Another name to come up with. Now you guys know
why I've been selling off stuff. Is the 55 FMJ all right, or should I step
up to the SS109 for about double the cost (hey, it's CLOSE quarters, right?)?
Oh, and one last thing. I don't recall the difference between the A1 and
A2 stocks besides seeming like the A1 was about an inch shorter. What's
the differences on these? I've decided to take Geoff's advice and go with
a fixed A1 stock with A2 buttplate over the telescoping, since I figure
that I won't remember to pull it out when my feet hit the ground. Feel
free to give me a hint or two on the buttstocks (and opinions on the tele-pipe).
Thanks guys!
I'm about to set up my first "sniper" rig. I've been playing with
deer guns and AK's for a long time now, but now I want to play a little
more :)
I'm baffled on scope selections. I think I've decided to go with
one of the Tasco Super Sniper scopes though. I found some really good prices
on an online shop (let me know if you want to know the address). They have
the 10x42M for 399.95 each or 349.95 for two or more and I have a friend
who would prolly buy one with me. They also have the 10x42 for 299.95.
And they have a 16x42 and a 20x42 that I didn't even know Tasco made they
are also selling for 299.95
They also have a Tasco "custom shop" 8-40x56 with a 30mm tube and
this one has the Side parallax adjustment and target knobs with MIL DOT
reticle. Now would this be okay to use?
Will 10x be enough for say 1000 yards? Or will the 16x or 20x fixed
be too much for 75-200 yards?? Would I be okay with the variable power
scope? Would mirage really be that much greater? Also would the variable
power scope make the Mil-Dots useless? Hrmmm...I guess you could just use
the mil-dots at a certain magnification every time to get your reading
right?
I need some help guys...and as far as a rifle, I'm leaning towards
a Rem. 700 VLS in 6mm or 308. I'd rather have the .308 but I know that
6mm is a lot flatter-shooting cartridge so I'm torn there as well. I just
want to be able to shoot all ranges up to 1000 yards and hit whatever I
want to.
Thanks for the help in advance!
You are the MK4 man, you know eeeeevrything! Thanks for the info,
it is greatly appreciated
Semper Fi.
Kush out
P.S., I have my "blank" knobs with yardages in the 168 GM out to
500 so far, a few more yard lines and it's off to the engraver
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
I just bought a Savage .270 and the dern barrel is shiny. I need
to know if there is any way to make it black or brown or something without
paying to have it blued. I was thinking of using High Temperature spray
paint but didn't want to do this without asking a second opinion. What
are my options here?
Thanks,
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
Hope to get there early, do you know if they are/have a 1k qualifier
Sun a.m.?.
Bring the new beast, want to see that sorry "factory", shooter.
Two Shoes (Terry) <tls8323@cs.com>
Clean the outer surface of your barrel with rubbing alcohol, (dont
touch the cleaned surface with your skin) plug the barrel with an old ear
plug, then attack that puppy with your choice color of Rustolium. Prime
it if you feel the need. Its the poor mans blueing solution.
Unless you are belt feeding that thing you dont need to worry about
high temperature paint.
Out here
Damn dude. You aint asking for much are you?
Stick with .308 unless you are an avid handloader. Scopes been beat
to death on here. As far as I'm concerned go with whatever scope you decide
on and get the Badger rings/mounts to ensure enough elevation for 1000.
Ken. I was wondering how long it would take for Marty to get on board
re: the lapping of his Badger Ord rings. Be careful man. He might send
in a Red Cross rep to do a health and welfare check on his babies you got
there.
Out again
So did you stab these serbs with a phantom suppressor? So why do
I need a Boynet option on my m16/m4/a3 with microwave and tv tray mounted
on a Arms #19 with QD just in case my popcorn burns? :-)
seriously though, I dont know why Is it because of accessories like
lasers lights etc?
Thanks- Rick
My sincere regrets in mis-typing your name in that last post. Sorry!
it IS real early here.
Thanks- Rick
I was tinlering around and decided that the Sierra 165gr HPBT is
a decent bullet. It shoots almost as good as a SMK 168 does. I also feel
that it has more stopping ability since it was designed to expand. Has
anyone else tried these?
Bad Karma
'lito.
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
'lito
BlackHills 6.5 x 284 must be shipping now, as a dealer here got some
in a few days ago. If the dealer makes any money off the stuff at all,
you will be paying probably close to $1.20 up, per round. Norma brass seems
to be the holdup, as many reloading places have huge orders for it and
don't expect it to arrive until fall. I have seen at least one place asking
$.80 each for 100 pieces of Norma brass in that caliber, which is nicely
excessive, and they cannot keep it in stock.
Plenty of guys winning around here shooting that caliber with Winchester
brass.
Good luck,
Old Dog
I think you get my drift, go fer it..............
Two Shoes <tls8323@cs.com>
Rob
I am building this varmint weight model 7 7mm-08, 22+ inch barrel,
fairly fat pipe @ .850" mzl, it's at the chamber lathe as we speak. Now,
what would a good choice of glass be for this caliber. It is not considered
a 1000 yarder by any means, but it's no brush gun either, it will definitely
push over 500 meters. I think I'm going with a Leopuold compact, 2 x 7
or 3 x 9 if I decide to take it into the Black Hills lookin' for Bambi's,
but I am looking for the real deal here, when I wanna find that buffalo
silhouette at 600 yds+. I all ready have the 4.5-14 varX3, a Burris 4-12,
for higher end scopes. Do you think this would be a good time and gun to
start learning the Mil-Dot??? Help me out Gooch, mrbullet, peteR, MikeM..
you guys wanna know who makes the .308 tack drivers, look no further,
LOL.
Out here
JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
Sorry, my sometimers has got to be actin' up.
I read what you said, but my brain was somewhere else!
So, ya'll are thinkin'"What else is new?)
I meant the 165 SPBT, not the BTHP...............Sorry
Max range for .308 M118 = 5400 yds = 3 miles.
Max range for 300 Win 220 match = 6100 yds = 3.5 miles.
Max range for 50 BMG = ~10,000 yds = 5.6 miles.
'lito
Guys, I've taken the "big leap". Starting today, Bravo Brew has taken
a quantum leap. I've now got a temperature controlled fermenter / keggerator.
To celebrate, the first keg will be an Octoberfest, in August!! Next time
you hear "cold brewed", "crystal clear", etc, think of me ;-) And gimme
a little time to get it assembled, then we'll have cold beer ON TAP. Now
if I can only find those USMC taps made out of K-Bars.....
Mark - dude - your rings are the finest that I have seen so far.
I like the idea that i could use those to hold buggy axles in place if
needed.
Kent will probably tell ya that it's 'cause the Huntress is overseas
right now and I need something to play with...
Later Folks,
Ken :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
I also wanted to see if my arms would get larger... :)
And - lastly - if I'm hitting off for some reason - it won't be gouges,
flexing, etc induced by uneven pressures from the mounting system. It's
allup to me.... :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
For all you 7.62 semi fans... Armalite is running a special where
they will convert (5) M14 mags (USGI, Chicom, SA) into AR10 compatible
mags for $100. This makes AR10 mags a bit more affordable at about $40-50
each. To be honest, I think Armalite takes quite a bashing and really does
turn out some really nice stuff... The Armalite "15s" really do have a
nice fit and finish and some decent quality...
Guten Nacht.
Jim Mitchell <james_mitchell@merck.com>
Theres NEVER a bad time to learn Mil-Dots and ranging skills!
Sounds like a neat general purpose rifle, What are you planning to
shoot through it 168's? Velocity?
FWIW - I'd go Badger Base and Rings/ Leup 3.5-10x50mm /or Tactical
3.5-10x40mm M-3. Their size should balance well on the rig and go great
with a pair of Robins Egg Blue pumps!
Chao!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
McMillan says at least another 2 weeks as of todays conversation.
Man, I'm gettin' antsy! Don't even have the CAR to play with. What's a
man to do with his hands? Any ideas Ken?
And after a rather poor few days on the "other site", please let
me complement virtually ALL you guys. Your professionalism, knowlege, and
willingness to impart not only your knowlege, but friendship as well, make
this my e-home. I don't say it enough, but, well, as Kent said
Thanks lots for all the advice. It appears I do need to go with a
fixed power scope, although there were some negative comments about the
Tasco scopes (and some really good ones too).
I think I have actually decided to go with the Savage 12 series with
the stainless fluted barrel and laminated stock just to be different. Everyone
that shoots at my range is toting a Remington 700 (I know that there's
a reason for that). Anyway our 600 yard range won't be complete for a few
more monts and my NEW WIFE has told me I can't buy another gun/scope until
I buy us new living room furniture. So anyway
Until then I'll just keep plowing down the 6" plates @300 yards with
my little 16" barreled AK-47 with a 1x magnification Kobra holo sight.
I'll let you know as soon as I start smacking new toys on my credit
card.
Thanks again,
jtnaylor <jtnaylor@flash.net>
Sounds like that McMillan wait is getting to you too.... might your
hands become abit itchy? :)
All:
I found the Federal .308 168grain GM match for $324.xx per case of
500. This is from that HopLite Dude.
Ken :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
I yesterday received an Accuracy International Arctic Warfare model,
made in 1995 marked AW with a sn under 2,000.
I have read everything I can find (in 3 books of "sniper rifles"
on the AI but they concentrate on the big picture, and not US sales. I
am wondering if anyone can give a summary of the history of the rifle series
as it applies to US sales. When were they first imported here? What models?
How were these models in the US different, if they were different, from
the international sales?
My gun says imported from Gunsite, Paulden, Ariz. It does not have
a muzzle break or flash hider. Here is a summary of this weapon, which
I am really impressed with far beyond my expectations. I will get to shoot
it this weekend to start the break in process I used.
Summary: To my touch the trigger breaks at about 2 lbs, no more than
2 1/2 lbs. The safety is on the bolt and is silent in application or deapplication.
The bolt is effortless and extremely smooth. The parker hale bipod legs
fold either foward or rearward and is an all steel bipod. The gun is extremely
well made finish wise and while it had green color in the bore when i used
a copper solvent in cleaning, it was extremely clean, apparently only having
been fired in the factory in testing.
Thanks for any information.
Robert <rtschiemer@aol.com>
On rifles, why is it guys have to be different and handicap themselves.
Just get a Remington or Winchester and be happy. The rest is a poor subsitute.
On scopes, I like the new US Optics Socom they have just released.
It is a straight ten power, 1/4moa adjustments, Adjustable Objective, 30mm
tube, 130 moa adjustment and built like a tank. Retail is less than a MK4
and it has far better optics. It is going on my new rifle by GA Precision(George
Gardner)I am calling "The Rock", because you will be able to break rocks
with it.
Lapping Rings, I rank that right up there with Mini 14's. Buy something
good and leave it alone. Badger or US Optics and just shoot it. Never lapped
a set and I seem to shoot OK.
Undude/Mike
Those in slotted spotter/sniper or dedicated DM roles using .223
AR's, what commercial loads are you using? Reasons why?
Thanks in advance for the information.
Morris
I looking at a Parker-Hale Bipod (getting tired of dragging the 40lb
sandbag around) and I sww that they make an aluminum or a steel Bi-pod.
I know the steel will be rock solid, but my rifle is a pig as is is, has
any one used or seen the aluminum version of the Parker-Hale? Is it as
beefy and reliable as the steel model?
Celer, Silens, Mortalis
Kush out
Mike: yeah, you shoot OK. And that 1220 HP blown nitro dragster is
"brisk". Where do I find out more about the SOCOM scope you're talking
about? They got literature on it? What size of objective it got? I'd like
to see "the rock" when you're done, but let's have nothing to do with "busting
my stones" ;-)
J.T.: I'd like to improve on what CDC said, but I can't. Of course,
for help, 'Lito might submit a household budget for your new wife like
he did for mine. You get the training, rifle, and ammo. Unfortunately "suicide
caused by culinary induced depression" is what came to mind ;-)
Michael Sheehan <mike1000@pacbell.net>
How do you like the US Optics ST-10 10x model scope ? How does it
compare to the SN6 and SN3 scopes ? Size, weight, materials, reticle etc
? How do the optics compare to their primo scopes ? Are you going to use
US Optics base and rings or something else ? My last SN6 that I mounted
on my 300 win mag I had made in 12x and I used a US Optics quick release
one piece mount with level bubble. The rings and removable mount peice
are all in one. The rings have 3 screws on each side of the rings for locking
the scope in place and are about twice the width of MK4 or US optics standard
rings. As long as you remember which position you placed it on the rail
when you zeroed it always comes back to zero when you remove. Only negative
is wieghs a lot more than rings.
I finally remembered to bring home a scale and weigh my .308 towed.
It comes in @ 19.5 LBS.... man what a Hog! and that's without a bipod,
ammo and sling. I've started carrying around a concrete block here at work
to condition myself for carrying it. I think I will ask the group if the
handle 'Porky' fits :)
Ken
Furniture! At least you can take a nap on it. My sweetie bought a
thousand dollar buffer. A WHAT!!? That's right … a friggin buffer… a huge
200 pound industrial buffer. Marble floor looks good though.
Bill971 <lhardin1@netscape.net>
Drive on....
Now I know why the guy has the gun barrel with a big engine and smoking
tires as his logo. If the guy has any childeren, gee, lucky kids! Daddy
builds nice toys!
Ken, man, I thought my 17 pound 223 was heavy. Ofcourse it is a semiauto
spacegun so I figured the weight was hard to avoid. It is such a riot(sarcasm)
to carry the lead pigeon around for a couple miles. For hoofing it around,
burrow style, it is about all I can do to keep that gun in the ready. Poor
wittle squirrels, who knows what they're thinking when they see me cresting
the hill with the muzzle high and the buttplate into my hip as if it is
a crewserved weapon, I'm Rambone damnit! My next squirrel gun is going
to be light weight, mark my words! One thing I like about the weight is
I do seem to actually be better in offhand shooting with the beast.
On your posting on the max range of the .50BMG.
In the 2000 #1 issue of the Very High Power magazine there is an
article on this very subject. If you have access to this, it's good reading.
Or e-mail me your postal address and I'll send you a copy of the article.
To all,
Thanks in advance. (or my face is red in advance if someone points
me to info about this on this site.)
Have a nice weekend.
John
John <jhugdahl@pressenter.com>
I have however drastically changed my anal retentive cleaning and
breakin procedures based on Gale McMillan's artice on the AR.15 site a
couple of months ago. Still not REAL comfortable with it but getting used
to it.
RICH S. - throw the JB away and don't look back, bad stuff, bad karma!
Bravo, I'll bring the pig and you provide the keg. Deal?
"A woman's sense of priorities is incomprehensible." Good grief this
has to be the world's best understatement. Girlfriend just can't see the
similarity between her collecting Boyd's Bears and me collecting, well
you know!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
If any of you question the quality of US Optics, I used a SN3 3.2x17,
on a NorCal 308 sniper rifle, to shoot in what I thought was a snipe rifle
200 yard match. I was one of the few that showed up without machine rests
(front and rear) and a bench rest rifle. I shot 168 factory loads off a
bipod and rear sand bag against the bench resters and finished second.
Most everyone else had 1/8 moa adjustment 36 power scopes to see flies
at 200. The darn flies were smaller than my reticle, so I just took a line
of black and adjusted into the target. Without the crystal clear US Optics
I would not have been able to see anything.
Undude/Mike
Wild Bill: yup, that's him. As I recall, he runs the 'Stangs in the
nationals also. Of course, if you look at the nationals, you'll find the
#1 spot is a 'Stang. Hard to beat 'em, even at 1000 pounds lighter, and
with some more horses, I'm still not as quick (no way to hook it up YET!!).
Bolt: you're ON!
Mike: sounds like a great scope. After you've shot yours a little,
would you PLEASE give us an update? I'm really interested, especially if
it's tough enough to break rocks with. How big are the turrets, and how
far would they stick out over the ejection area? I guess I'm just a little
wary, I can't spend what Michael did for his ;-) and I wonder if they aren't
sacraficing something for the price. If it's that good, well, I'll have
to sell a M3.
According to Dr. Taylor, that .408 Cheyenne target weight is 18 LBS.
Considering the intensity of that proposed round - it will still beat the
heck out of you when fired. I'm sure they have some sort of muzzle brake
planned. If I remember correctly, I think it's based on a scaled down WindRunner
.50 cal ....don't hold me it... I'll have to look that one up.
Carrying gear... Sure why not - it will make me that much stronger.
You saw last year @ SMTC - I make a good pack mule... I would imagine a
case of .300 Win ammo is pretty heavy.
Speaking of SMTC... are any of youn'z going to Storm Mountain for
the SS1, SS2, or Rondevous??...??...
Undude:
2. The reason you whipped all but one of those benchresters is:
Ken :)
Ken Hunter <Ken@Hunters.org>
It's all relative. When I reported to my first rifle company as a
private I was taken to the barracks by the CQ runner. Upon entering he
introduced me to all present as, "The new 90 gunner". Some of you might
remember that fine piece of plumbing. Compared to that or the Emmmsixty
my 15lb precision rifle is a treat to carry around.
I do wonder though if our heavy rifles aren't a wierd product of
our training rather than mission essential performance criteria. On the
range we shoot and shoot and shoot. A heavy rifle helps to mitigate recoil
and heat. So our heavy rifles are suitable for our training habits. However
operationally we expect to shoot once and then run away. A cold bore shot
being the norm instead of the exception. Wouldn't a light weight "hunting"
rifle be more suitable for such conditions?? If so has our affection for
the ".308 towed" come from the rifle range rather than the battlefield?
Just a thought from a hobbiest.....
Pat T
When the military went to the M118-LR round with the 175SMK, they
went with a 11.25" twist.
I've shot a lot of 175s through a 12" barrel, and they shoot well,
but I ordered a 10" barrel on the barrel for the M24, because it will get
175s plus an asortment of odd "long" bullets.
Pat-T, check the twist and let me know if it is a real 10", or just
miss marked.
Kevin M...
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
I swear that song from ahem, way back when, was written for gun buyers!
The STG/M1A thing is driving me nuts so I'm going to drive you nuts.
They are now in a dead heat. Please cast final vote:
DSArms standard rifle, $1495 new
No need to say why, just cast a vote.
A brain dead Bolt, OUT!
Boltster, for those prices, (and limited to those choices), I'd take
the Springfield. Use the $250 for good US GI parts, and I'll split a "major
purchase" on some mags with you. QUANTITY DISCOUNTS!!!! next month ;-)
US GI's for thirty something...
Several of the Wylde designed "funny" guns are competing in the next
few weeks at Camp Perry and with Bill in Canada. Best of luck to each of
them.
Old Dog
Ps. Bolt...FAL
CDC...
In a heart beat!
Kevin...
'lito
The 1:11.25 barrel for the M24 was actually determined before the
175gr M118LR was even an issue. According to Remington (Mr Rogers I think
was the name of the guy I talked to about it a few years ago)it was done
to shoot 168's and 173's and the thought was to go in between a 1:10 and
a 1:12. The closest the machine would get to 1:11 was 1:11.25 and thats
where they stayed.
I hear from preliminary reports that the Storm Mountain boys kicked
some bootie at CFSAC this year.
Out here.
The post about the 6MM not being a long range round is incorrect.
A reloading question: a little while back I remember you saying that
the normal bushing size for 308 on a Redding bushing neck die was 0.338.
Infact, I could go a step further and ask if you think the bushing
die is any great step over a standard neck die?
thanks
If you're only going get one, I would suggest the .336", as 2 thou
under won't hurt, and you can go to a .338" later if you need to.
Get the titanium nitride... don't waste your money on the steel ones.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
Good morning.
"...due to the relationship between retained heat and shortness of
barrel life."
I would like to know if this is a documented fact, and if so, what
is the source of this information... or is this a "feeling" that you have.
Remington "paints" the barrels on many of their factory guns, (including
the popular PSS)... as does several other manufactures.
Many of the very best tactical and sniper rifles made, have "painted"
barrels... and aftermarket companies are doing a brisk business in finishes
like "Roguard", which is a nice paint.
As best as I know, there has NEVER been a documented case of decreased
barrel life due to painting or coating.
Even in a match, the barrels don't get that hot, unless (as Gooch
said) they are belt fed.
So if ths is true... about 90% of the guys on this site, are going
to sit down and weep.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
Dave Biggers <pathfinder27th@hotmail.com>
Please explain why would one Colt Match Target have a 1/9 twist and
another, except it is a Delta Elite, have a 1/8 twist? What twist does
a PSS barrel have?
Anybody messed with the TAP ammo?
Will the AMAX boollets work for tactical and hunting purposes?
That is all for now!
Bolt, out.
Boltster...
The TAP is awesome, and it's the same as the V-Max loads... those
sucka's really come apart.
The A-Max Boollets are very thin jacketed, just like the V-Max, and
Hornady does not recomend them for big game, they open too fast.
However, for Coyotes, both four and two legged, they work very well,
and make the .308, a 1000mtr "varmint" rifle.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
The adds claim, "Penetrates to 1 millionth inch spaces, dissolves
rust, lubricates, cleans and prevents rust. Displaces moisture. The oil
that creeps." Sounds alot like what WD-40 does and from what people have
said WD-40 is NOT good for rifles.
So, for those with more experience - whats the skinny? Any opinions
on use of Kroil on guns? Why or why not?
I got something to blabber about and would like some feedback.
Finally got the barrel I ordered from L. Walther back in March. Anyway,
it does look fine. A 6.5mm, 8 twist stainless. I've been ratholing a M70
LA CRF and a verticle grip HS stock for the M70 for about 2 years. The
fun delimma is this: also been holding a Hart 12 twist in .308 for a couple
of years, too.
I'm wanting (not needing) to get a new rifle built at some point.
I've fantasized about either a 3006 or a 6.5/06.
'Lito - remember the emails a few months back, re: this?
Anyway, I guess the 6.5/06 is somewhat of a barrel eater, but a friend
of mine built one and is very pleased with it.
Even if I don't get to do this any time soon, it sure is fun slobbering
over the idea.
Any opinions a'tall would be most welcome.
Mike M. I sent you an email about the US Optics scope a few minutes
ago.
Plus, I just wanted to have something to rant about cause I miss
this place. Plus this is much more fun than mowing the yard which looks
like a triple canopy jungle anyway.
Sniper Fu .. :)
Yehaaa, the caffeine is kickin' in. Back to the mowing.
Jeff A.
Jeff Allen <d1k2l3@smyrnacable.net>
What range should I zero at and so on. I would also like to find
a long range competitive group in my area. Upstate central NY is the area
and between Albany and Binghamton.
Any advise, sugestions or commentary is obviously welcome.
Thanks
Ed F.
PS- Posting here is good but I would appreciate e-mail since I check
that daily and only visit here occasionally.
I am trying to find out details of any commercially available (or
otherwise) trajectory tables for the SS109 round; ideally pocket sized.
Jonathan Moore
Jonathan Moore <jonathan_moore65@yahoo.co.uk>
[NOTE: This matter is still under U.S. Federal investigation, hence
the "probable" in the title. From my vantage point, though, it's pretty
obvious they're running a dirty shop. In any case, this account is based
on my experience with FDIG, and is not intended to slander or libel them,
just tell my story and warn others. I have everything documented.]
[FURTHER NOTE: I attempted to buy body armor from FDIG, but they
also sell sniper accessories, which is why I feel this post is relevent
to this forum.]
For those of you out there looking for better body armor than what
you're lugging around now (or what your department's willing to pay for),
beware of First Defense International Group (FDIG) http:/www.firstdefense.com.
I ordered a vest back on May 12 and these jokers are still jerking
me around -- after cashing my check. In retrospect, I should have used
a credit card (you get the protection of the Fair Credit Act), but they
don't accept credit cards. That's a warning sign I should not have ignored.
They cashed my check for $434.00 on May 22 and I haven't seen anything
since. The last I heard from them was on June 21, when they implied that
the vest was completed and shipped, but I have never received it and haven't
heard a single word from them since.
You'd think if they'd shipped it, tracking it down wouldn't be a
problem. *Every* shipping company uses state-of-the-art package tracking,
and FDIG should have a reciept for shipment. In ANY case, they should at
least return my calls/faxes/emails/letters.
I've filed complaints with Federal investigative agencies (FTC and
FBI/NW3C/IFCC), and the matter is pending, but this has been a hellish
experience and I want to warn others who may be considering sending money
to FDIG before they get burned.
My advice: STAY AWAY FROM FIRST DEFENSE INTERNATIONAL GROUP! Everyone
makes mistakes, but the fact that they won't return my calls/faxes/emails/letters
makes them deliberate crooks as far as I'm concerned. Consider yourself
warned.
For more information on this matter, including case numbers and evidence
of wrongdoing under U.S. law, contact FDIG-fraud@nvbell.net.
FDIG Fraud Vicitm <FDIG-fraud@nvbell.net>
During my visit to Storm Mountain last year - I used a harris non-swivel
bipod. I found out rather quickly that I fidgeted with the legs alot. Storm
is a good training area - and there isn't a perfectly flat place anywhere
in that facility. It was suggested to me to put my ammo pouch or book under
the leg that needed extending or something along the line of a 'quick'
adjustment. That still didn't cut it for me. I don't have the field time
that alot of these 'more saltier' dudes on here have - but that was my
experience.
Im gonna try the swivel this year... My partner had a swivel bipod
- and seemed to be fighting with adjusting the legs on his bipod a WHOLE
lot less than me. Just have to make sure you're level when you're gonna
shoot. Sometimes the lay of the land or the shape of the target might fool
you into canting your rifle on a swivel bipod when you shouldn't.
Ken :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
Jeff: wasn't the 6.5-06 THE loved lady cartridge of the benchrest
crowd back in the early 60's? As for me, I've been working REALLY hard
to NOT work up a 260. I LOVE the 6.5 Swede though, and it was a preferred
1000 yarder in it's day.
'Lito: worried about barrel paint?!? Seems like some joker told me
that you didn't need a painted rifle, real men did sniper competitions
wearing bluejeans and carrying stainless steel barrels ;-)
Brack: I think the consensus was that the bipod I had was an easier
set up. It's a Harris S-BRM, the swivelling notched leg one. The legs eject
out when you pust the button, and snap into notches so you don't have to
tighten anything down. The swivel is adjustable for tension, and I found
it to be worth it's weight. Before I do too much more though, I'm gonna
get the medium height one too, for quick change for matching terain areas.
That being said, the non-notch leg one has more swing than mine, the ONLY
draw back in my opinion.
Mike: missed the June pistol shoot for the class, missed last month
for "family time". Today I just plain sucked. It's your fault, you didn't
print up a disclaimer saying that learning to shoot at long range will
erode my pistol skills! It MUST have been that and not the fact I haven't
shot in 3 months. Right? What did you call it, consumable skills?
Have you shot the M25 out to full range yet. Lemme know when you
do.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
The swivel bi-pod has a friction adjustment on it, and you can set
it really firm, even tight enuff so the gun will stay upright on the ground...
it's the big knurled nut. Mine took pliers to tighten, but it's great now...
won't flop, and won't move, unless I make it move, then it holds the adjustment.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
On a different note, someone said a few days back you might be from
CT, are you? Because that's where I hail from.
Harris swivel bipod is the way to go. Just be sure to crank on the
tension screw that controls the tilt so you dont get flop.
3rd Recon's STA platoon? Since when did a recon unit have a STA?
Never been in a Recon unit, but been in a STA, and I never heard of a Recon
STA.
Out here
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
I did it last year... thought it was neat, my teamie (Pablito) laughed
quite abit. Decided to strip that paint off .... hated it...but got it
clean... I won't ever paint one again. I figured out why he was laughing.
Ken :)
Ken <Dont.Paint.It@snipercountry.com>
Question: Has anyone used accelerator rounds (or similar) to decent
effect? If so, let me know. Also, did you use a faster powder? What kind
of trajectory vice the standard .308?
Thanks! Semper Fi!
Celer, Silens, Mortalis! "Never have so few been so foul to so many"
Semper Fi.
Kush out
Thanks for any help.
Please email me your experiences or opinions at : grey2112@mindspring.com
Greywolf <grey2112@mindspring.com>
You are saying that spending too much time in The P.I. is a bad thing!
Many brain cells killed in the Subic Bay area, Ohhh, what I would do for
a cold Red Horse and a hot Philipino.
Rock on Brothers.
Kush out
Ken :)
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
Bolt:
Later.
Off topic (kinda) question: Has anyone converted their 1911 to fire
the .460 Rowland? I've heard it makes a better back up piece. If, so let
me know how it performed, recoil, etc.
Semper Fi!
Chuck
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Chuck
Has anyone tried Butch's Bore Shine? Been reading some wicked ad
copy for it and thought about giving it a go. I'm shooting molyed bullets
and have been using pretty much the Berger method (Kroil/JB).
I think that it was never classified as beef on a stick, more like
"meat" on a stick. I never asked, they never told. But nothing better on
the walk back to the gate from Rumors or Body Shop!
Charles,
That was about a year & a half before I hit The Rock, Charlie
Company, 3rd Recon. About a year ago I was digging through some old pics,
and found one of my old liberty cards, talk about memories!
Later.
Kush out
Pac-nor, Schneider, Lilja, Hart, are all super barrels when correctly
installed. I use a OEM $10 tube ;-(
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 03:18:49 (ZULU)
(your host address: 152.163.213.188)
FALs and Minis:
Colatown, SC, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 03:38:40 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.31.204.125)
Boltster dude: I can't speak for the Brit L1A1, since I've never
had one, but there ARE very SUBTLE differences between the StG, L1A1, C1,
R1, etc. Terry is right on, from what I was told. If you talk to Mark Graham
at Arizona Response Systems (which I would do, even if you don't buy from
him, he's a WORLD of knowlege on that rifle!) the best of breed seems to
be the StG's put together on a good receiver. Don't go keeping that bolt
gun for a battle rifle, after all, you can manipulate the bolt on a bolt
gun as quick as you want ;-)
Don't let those guys talk you out of your guinsu knife material
this time.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the state next door to where handgunners will have to be fingerprinted,
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 03:48:09 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.180.85.235)
I purchased a savage 110 in 30-06 as a varmint rifle about a year
ago with a synthetic stock as a varmint rifle. I am interested in rebarrelling
it with a heavy barrel in 30-06. Is this economically feasible or should
I just go buy the 110fp? I have already done the trigger job on the 110
and have an excellent recoil pad on the stock so I would prefer to rebarrel.
I really only need about 1 MOA, so I am not looking for a top of the line
heavy barrel. Can anyone tell me where I can get this done and about what
it will cost me? I would appreciate it.
Will <former33t@email.msn.com>
Ft Bragg, NC, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 04:25:38 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.30.152.206)
Mini 14's; not quite as bad as some say here or as good as most
of us would like. The clip is indeed slow. IT's no better physically but
much more reliable to feed than a M-16 when it's seated ;in place. That
gas system is plenty reliable and good as anything else as far as shooting
all day or next month without cleaning if need be. That bolt doesn't break
but the rear sight on a Ranch Rifle is indeed a bit flimsy. It is now...
a "Ghost ring" and works but just as a sub. in case the scope or Aimpoint
fails. The scope mount (RR) is as good or better than most especially that
flat top variant Colt or Bush or it's crappy handle made for god knows
what except to mount that sorry ass sight. The weight is much more portable
than the Colt as far as effeciency goes. Unless you want to use that piece
of sewer pipe they call a collapsable. IT (Mini-14) doesn't bend in the
middle, flop around or break as often as M-16's do. The standard Mini 14
is unsuitable as a place to mount a scope as are most rifles like the M-14
M-1 M-1 Carbine and BAR AK-47 and variants or LAR's for that matter. The
safety is right there where you can feel it if you screw up and it is positive
as the M-14 or anything else.. It's easy to take down and doesn't have
any little springs or screws that fall out and get lost.
The trigger group is easy to get too and clean disassemble or whatever
you want.
IT doesn't dig a hole in your back when you carry it and you can
get down in the grass as opposed to using the hand guard for rear pod.
The Ranch Rifle is not accurate as some if you go by bench standards but
we just had one down here that had been customized with a new barrel and
would shoot with anything (auto) you have. We dumped it because it was
a brother to Ken's towed. I have no use for heavy guns like that but it
would do 1/4" all day. The receiver had standard Weaver bases and that's
reasonable to expect to have to drill and tap a semi auto. The trigger
is superior in a lot of ways to the M-16's and others like G-3s or ....
The Mini needs custom work for accuracy as do most of your 700 Remingtons
but it's not as good as I would like or as bad as most of you say. I've
owned and shot many AR-s and Mini's and it's a matter of taste. I've never
been overwhelmed with the Mini or the AR either. But that's the truth as
I know it. I wouldn't equip my army with one probably but you could do
worse. I wouldn't use a M-16 either.
Seals? I dunno, but I doubt if they used them much cause SEALS like
to be cool above all else and they ain't cool these days. Wasn't too many
years ago a fella took the SOF match with one (14)I believe it was stock
except for the barrel. Bill Ruger is a machinist not a gun smith and just
gets lucky and finds something he can copy once in a while. If he'd put
a barrel on it you'd all be shooting one probably. Tom's right they don't
break very often but often they are chosen by those not too much in the
know about what is cool at the moment. They ain't cool but they won't fail
you. Wish I could say that about a AR. Been there and done that somewhat
or I'd not say anything. I have one because they are light, and usable
in any kind of weather anywhere and don't break and jam like my AR's did.
Mine might be exceptional but it will put em all in a foot circle at 500
with a Aimpoint sight and an old blind man shooting it or at least it did.
I've seen worse.
I'm not scolding you here men just adding a little opinion. I don't
know how many have actually shot them and how many are repeating gun show
or
range gossip but that's my story and I'm stickin to it.
B.Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 04:37:49 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
As an Interested 3rd party, I have to say a few words on lapping
Badger rings.
If your Badger rings really need lapping that bad, I would be very
worried about the Action.
Keep it dry and in the X
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 05:04:21 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.193.53)
With regards to the semi auto 308. About a year i researched most
of the available semi 308's and came to the conclusion that the G3 copies
are worth the money.
bryan <bherman699@aol.com>
CA, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 05:50:17 (ZULU) (your host
address: 152.163.201.196)
Greetings!!
Is that EVER a consideration when looking at these things? what
are hand to hand tactics in case of weapon mail function etc??
Rick <rick.waltemath@hhss.state.ne.us>
Omaha, NE, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 17:55:12 (ZULU) (your
host address: 164.119.13.15)
Rick: in my case, the flash supressor is a base for the front sight.
On a M-14 / M-21 / M-25 / M1A etc, the front sight mounts to the flash
supressor (or for the new Kali legal rifles, muzzle brake), which in turn
is secured to the barrel via splines and a castle nut. Or in my case, hydraulic
pressure ;-) Do it woik? Sure. There's a reason that you don't have a slit
on the bottom though, and when the weather around here is REALLY dry, it
blows dust bad. Doesn't if there's hardly any vegitation about though.
The chi-com rifles were brought in for a while with just a band for the
front sight, but I doubt they were target grade! I'm not interested in
taking mine off either, it shoots better than I can. Welcome aboard, realize
though the roach motel statement was real.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as the, USA - Wednesday, August
02, 2000 at 18:10:33 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
Question on Wildcat Handloads:
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Iselin, NJ, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 18:49:39 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.97.88.102)
To all Lupita fans out there,
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , ny, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 18:54:07 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.146)
Kush: my mark 4 M3 also has the round dots.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
whatever, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 19:15:47 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.9.223.170)
Tony
You may want to check with the smith who built it. I know on the
standard 6.5x06 you have to be careful which case you use 25-06 or 270
because one will cause a lot of pressure for you. As i remember the best
case was a 280 Remington necked down, that way there is a "Ring" to seat
against so the case froms right. Why such a short barrel for this caliber??
Other than ease of hunting I suppose.
Pat <mrbullet@hotmail.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 19:24:13 (ZULU) (your host address:
207.41.18.130)
Pat thanks for the feedback. I've read where the 270 shouldn't be
used with forming the 6.5/06. I believe that was in Nosler's or Speer's
guide. They recommended 30/06 necked down or 25/06 expanded, however this
was for the standard 6.5/06 or 6.5x55. I didn't hear of anything on 280.
Not much is mentioned in any of my manuals on 40 degree ackley cases either.
I hope my gunsmith has some insight or maybe even Hart. I don't really
have a lot of data on any of the older 6.5x52, 6.5x54 or 6.5x57 euro cartridges
so I went with the 6.5/06 ackley for now. Dies were not difficult to get.
Iselin, NJ, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 20:24:00 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.97.88.102)
Tony,
A factory .270 case is slightly longer than the factory .25-06 or
.30-06 case. In other words, a .270 case would have to be trimmed. The
.280 case also is the same overall length as the .270. Also the body is
a little longer than the .270. It would also have to be trimmed. This would
be to avoid jamming the neck into the throat of the barrel.
Hope this helps.
John
John <jhugdahl@pressenter.com>
WI, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 20:55:35 (ZULU) (your host
address: 209.100.170.187)
Kush...
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
Tradin' my guns for SCUBA stuff... so I can get to work :((, USA -
Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 22:14:45 (ZULU) (your host address: 24.188.89.243)
Does anyone know where to find a Winchester Laredo in either 7mm
RM or .300 WM? Without BOSS would be nice.
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 23:21:19 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.80)
Rick; I do recommend bayonet provisions on any AR style weapon.
B.Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 23:33:51 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Bravo'; I took the extreme test today, They gave me a M-16 with
no bayonet and showed me motions pics of Serbs charging at me in 3D with
G-3's. I survived so they sent me home and said I was OK!
B.Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 23:36:56 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
CDC: we're all looking for a 300 win mag in a "no boss" situation
;-)
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
reno and the "rule of law". What a farce, USA - Wednesday, August 02,
2000 at 23:41:37 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.162)
B. Rogers: tell me more! Serbs with G-3's? Pop ups or some kind
of new thing?
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
eno in charge of the "just-us department". oxymoron, USA - Wednesday,
August 02, 2000 at 23:45:09 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.162)
Hey everyone! I've been reading here for a while but haven't made
any noise yet...so here I go.
jtnaylor <jtnaylor@flash.net>
Little Rock, AR, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 00:15:57 (ZULU)
(your host address: 208.15.98.242)
Lito,
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , ny, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 01:21:45 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.113)
jtnaylor; What's your budget for this project?
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 01:22:24 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.74)
Kush...
Not by a long shot! Just little puddles of useless information.
'lito
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 01:29:53 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
HEEEEEELLLLLLPPPPP!!!
Nathan
Nathan Bendel <nbendel@yahoo.com>
Taft, CA, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 02:10:21 (ZULU) (your
host address: 209.165.36.28)
Terry (TwoShoes)
Bill our Brit friend has two of the DSA lightwieghts, and you just
gotta shoot one this weekend.
As light as an AR, bigger bullet ( Im a big and accurate fan)
and incredibly accurate. Ask him to see it when you go.
Mike
Granbury
Mike McDonald <appspec1@aol.com>
Tx, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 02:37:40 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.232.237.103)
Nathan,
You can paint a shiny barrel with a spray can of muffler paint available
at any auto parts store for under $4. Radiates heat big time and really
adds class.
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 03:23:06 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.20)
Mike,
didn't know that, will definitely try one, just finished my special
recipe's for the weekend.
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 03:30:14 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.204.191)
This is a very informative site of snipers in conflict and courage
under fire SNIPERS RULE!
CHRISTIAN ALBERT <PsychomanMT@aol.com>
Belgrade, MT, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 03:38:07 (ZULU) (your
host address: 205.188.198.59)
Nathan.
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 04:16:42 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.179)
JT Wrote. "I just want to be able to shoot all ranges up to 1000
yards and hit whatever I want to."
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 04:26:50 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.179)
CDC...We have one Laredo in Stock in 7mm mag. It has no BOSS on
it. Call us at 850-769-4495. Ask for Zack or Mark. I'm in the store on
Sundays from 1200 to 1800. Give us a call.
Cory <Ranger9@hotmail.com>
FLA, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 04:52:46 (ZULU) (your host
address: 158.252.73.69)
BRodgers
Rick <rick.waltemath@hhss.state.ne.us>
OMaha, Nebraska, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 05:27:37 (ZULU)
(your host address: 168.191.171.36)
B.Rogers
Rick <rick.waltemath@hhss.state.ne.us>
Omaha, Nebraska, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 05:32:27 (ZULU)
(your host address: 168.191.171.36)
All,
Bad Karma <jwhiteII56@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 07:31:59 (ZULU) (your host address:
206.170.184.222)
Any of youz guys been to Blackwater?... What are your opinions?
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 11:27:21 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Bravo; to heck with the show it's was the nurses I survived for!
JT; Repeat after me L-E-U-P-O-L-D FourX14 Tactical. ON .308 MODEL
700 Remington. PSS OR VS/VSS/VSSF . wid da 40MM tubeeeee! Now we are at
1000 yards and we hit "just about" everything we shoot at. 6mm will not
cut it at that distance unless you put it in a wildcat case and burn yo
barrel hot. USE the Mil dot model unless there is a compelling reason not
too. Now Lito, you hold the gun on me so I can recite the TASCO recommendatation
to this guy!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 12:47:05 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
OK, 'yote bate...
The guns on you... tell him about Taskos.
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 14:00:31 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Bill B:
Bruce <Bruce@mannlawfirm.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 15:44:59 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.16.162.10)
JT,
Listen to "Yote Bait" even though he's a died in the wool varmint
hunter and a 6MM is a great varmint round its not a good 1000yd round unless
you have a custom rifle built with the fast twist to shoot the 107grVLD
bullets. The 308 is hard to beat. I am playing with the 6.5s but both my
260s are showing signs of being hard on barrels. If you want to do tactical
shooting your barrels will get hot and heat kills the small bores twice
as fast. The 308 is much more forgiving when you have to abuse it. Just
my 2cents worth.
Pat <mrbullet@hoatmail.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 16:17:48 (ZULU) (your host address:
207.41.18.130)
BAD KARMA,
The 165's are a better round for your intended use, they also are
a much better barrier round.
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 17:54:31 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.195.36)
Gentlemen,
I am still rather new here and have searched the archives , but
cannot find the information I am looking for. Does anybody out there have
any thoughts or experiences (positive or negative) with Dakota rifles?
I am particularly interested in the Long Range Hunter (model 97) in .308
Win. The Longbow would be nice, but I just don't have 5 large to spend
on a rifle at this point. Does H&S or AICS (or any other stock manufacturer)make
a stock that fits this weapon? Thanks for your time and responses.
Chase Temple <istu9946@selu.edu>
Hammond, LA., USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 18:36:34 (ZULU) (your
host address: 208.231.101.76)
I was wondering if you gun gurus could help me out with this problem.
I need the max ranges, not max effective but total max ranges, for the
.308, .300 WM and .50 BMG. The reason is my club doesn't allow the .50
because of the range. I just wanted to get some data and hopefully fight
this and get it to be used there. Any help would be appreciated. Also any
info on ranges for a ricochet would be helpful too. I know there are alot
of variables in a ricochet but maybe someone out there has some info on
it. Thanks.
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 20:53:15 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.197.64)
Rob: total ranges on cartridges for THAT purpose? Don't think so.
I read somewhere that the max range on M1 (30-06) ball ammo was 2.5 miles.
Do the physics though, coefficients of aerial friction (BC) and momentum.
The 50 should go MUCH farther than anything else that I know of. That's
for physical max range, but I would also consider the arguement valid for
max effective range (just shorter obviously).
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000
at 22:04:07 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
Hey folks, need some input:
rapid city, sd, USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 22:37:29 (ZULU)
(your host address: 205.188.193.186)
Bad Karma, Correction to my earlier post.
Two Shoes (Terry) <tls8323@cs.com>
USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 23:16:47 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.188.199.27)
Rob...
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 00:15:33 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Warning: non-shooting related post
Need I say that everyone (well, virtually anyway) is invited to
stop by for some?
Brew Master Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
look out Ed Koch, I'm gaining fast!, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000
at 00:44:14 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.176)
Yep, listen to the Bullet man on the 6mm. I'd have to agree you
got to do the voo-doo to get the 6mm to 1000 or so but,, Mini Yars ago
I had an old .244 (6mm for those in Rio Linda) Remington with a big long
Unertl that I used to bruise ego's on a Military range bout 500 was all
I think. But it was the scope that made em cringe (they didn't have any).
the Bullets were only 85 grain. Bullet man is right, the standard 6mm loading
won't get there and do the job. He's so right about the barrels too (thars
worse than 6mms on barrels though).
Bravo; free beer! ummmmm! I died already...knock knock knockin on
heaven's dooR!
EVEN with this displaced TEXAN holding a gun on me I can't recommend
that TASCO. Go ahead and kill me!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 01:30:01 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Mark, Kent (Badger Rings):
I could probably have mounted the scope and ran with it. With mounting
your rings on:
1. my rem 700 long action,
2. ontop of a DD Ross rail mount
3. all of that sitting in an A2 stock cranked down @65 inch pounds...........
will there be a slight shift...... prrroobbbably...there's too many things
comming into play.
But... let me tell ya... without lapping.. the misalignment was
maybe half the thickness of a fingernail - if that much. I did this lap
job to get the experience, and to get rid of that half-a-fingernail's misalignment...
how's that for being anal. I'm not a trained gunsmith - but alot of this
stuff just makes plain good sense.
Nokesvillle, Va, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 03:06:07 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
Bravo, FREE BEER? ROAD TRIP! Will bring my on stein.
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 03:07:01 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.56.116)
Continuing: Badgers...
Nokesville, VA, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 03:10:15 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
We'll..I'm off to Germany tomorrow for my first European vacation...staying
in a little town called Coburg (2 hrs East of Frankfurt). I'm going to
sample the local brew, watch the pretty girls and think NOT ONCE about
work. Since this is a "wife" sponsored trip to visit the in-laws, I have
guarantees of better than best behavior...meaning I get time for historic
sites, pubs, and just wandering about the woods and such. Now if I can
only find a 1000 meter range and some friendly Germans that want to show
me their rifles...
gone_fishin', and drinkin', in Germany - Friday, August 04, 2000 at
03:10:43 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.20.190.1)
JR,
BIG CITY, BY-GAWD, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 03:38:12 (ZULU)
(your host address: 205.188.196.54)
Bolt (and virtually ALL you guys): put off the road trip until I
get this thing finished, and then be amazed. 4 or 5 kegs ON TAP (simultaneous!),
and another 4 to 5 kegs in bottles. I've got steins a-plenty, but make
yourself
most comfortable. Now if I can get a "quantity discount" on malt and hops....
Sniper Country official beer?
"I love you guys!" ;-)
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
wonder if Sam Adams started this way?, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000
at 04:24:06 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.150)
Hey guys,
it looks like it will be another month before I get this thing purchased.
1 shot...1 plate.
J.T.
Little Rock, AR, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 04:34:35 (ZULU) (your
host address: 208.15.98.97)
jtnaylor: You can't have a sniper rifle until after you get furniture?
A woman's sense of priorities is incomprehensible.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 11:57:13 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.6)
Bravo:
What to with the hands...... well... let's see....stroking a barrel,
reloading, press, or lapping bar is a whole lot easier to explain than..............
According to the Huntress .... my hand can fit just fine around
a garden hoe, rake, or a paint brush.....
What's the best deals that we're finding these days on Federal Match
Ammo. Called up Black Hills, they're backlogged for quite awhile
on the .308 and .223 stuff. 300 WinMag is available.
Anyone find it cheaper.... ??....Yeah... Yeah... I oughta setup
the reloading press and get to makin' my own...and probably will - but
not for now.
Nokesville, Va, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 11:57:32 (ZULU) (your
host address: 4.3.240.234)
Wanted: information on Accuracy Internation US import history.
..., AR, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 13:16:56 (ZULU) (your host
address: 152.163.207.183)
Ken, Yup, the best price I found anywhere for Federal GM 168gr was
through Hoplite for $324.00. I actually ordered a case last week and got
in a couple of days. It arrived all in one box, one lot number and it shoots
great as usual. This is the second case that I ordered from them and it
all works great.
Michael Sheehan <mike1000@pacbell.net>
San Jose, CA, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 15:43:41 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.192.208.6)
JR, get the Mildots. Once you have had dots you'll never go back.
MikeMiller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 16:15:04 (ZULU) (your host
address: 152.163.213.201)
Quick poll:
Morris <mparrish@oz.net>
Seattle Metro, WA, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 16:52:40 (ZULU)
(your host address: 216.39.131.92)
To the gang'
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , ny, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 17:46:18 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.104)
Ken: yeah, the wait is getting to me. Your suggestions sound too
much like work though. If I were to work in the yard, I'd start with a
frontloader, followed by a backhoe, then a drum of homebrew napalm.
Brew Master Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
trying to make room for a 6th keg, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at
17:46:59 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
Bravo,
I think that Mike is talking about their new "ST-10." It has a 30mm
tube and a 44mm objective and it is only 12.2" long. All this and it retails
for $795! I would add the adjustable objective for another $299 definitely
and maybe the lit reticle another $185 if I had the spare $$. But for $995
it is a rocking scope! I even think that they have them sitting on the
shelf ready to go. And no, as you know I don't work for them! I just like
their stuff and use it!
Needing a bravo brew!, CA, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 17:58:19
(ZULU) (your host address: 63.192.208.6)
oops! The adjustable objective is only another $200 not $299.
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
San Jose, CA, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 17:59:53 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.192.208.6)
Mike:
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Iselin, NJ, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 18:09:42 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.97.88.102)
Rifle Weight:
Ken <Ken@Hunters.org>
Nokesville, V, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 18:33:24 (ZULU) (your
host address: 4.3.240.234)
Hey Guys,
I have a gun-maintenance question and I'm kind of FREAKING OUT about
it. I've been doing the break-in procedure for a while now. I'd heard some
mixed reactions about the JB bore compound so I called up the guys at K&P
and got their input. They said it's fine, just be sure to use a good de-greaser
in the bore afterward to get rid of any reamining crud. They said if you
don't tiny bits will remain and I think we all realize that that's not
a good situation. So, after my first 50 rounds I did the usual break-in
cleaning procedures. I JB'd it and then used Tetra "Action Blaster" to
get all the crap out, then 4 dry patches, then 2 patches soaked with Kroil
and put 'er away. This was about 3 weeks ago. Well yesterday I went to
the range. I went to run a couple dry patches through to get the Kroil
out before firing. Well, it came out with a few faint reddish-brown streaks
on it. Is this rust, did I totally f**k up my gun or is this just Kroil-JB
residue? I don't think I could possibly pamper this gun any more (I clean
after every use...Shooters' Choice, dry, Sweet's til no more green, dry
with at least 5 patches, Shooters', dry, Kroil...then put in Pelican case
with dessicant pack!) I've been following all your guys advice to a "T".
Someone please help me, I really hope I didn't ruin my new baby!!
Thanks
Rich S. <RS1441@aol.com>
Baltimore, MD, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 18:48:19 (ZULU) (your
host address: 152.163.197.46)
Ken, I too had a 20 pound pig, aka at various times as "Babe" (after
the cute pig), "The Girl" and "Gun from Hell". Horrible balance. Finally
had smith cut barrel to 22". Now a much more manageable 14.5 pounds without
sling or lead. Basically a one hole benchrest rifle now that just happens
to shoot .308. Mag still not feeding smoothly though.
Clearwater, FL, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 18:50:38 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.92.205.98)
Ken: 19.5 lbs is nothing. Wait until you get that .408 (25 - 30
maybe). If you feel it's too light you can carry my 500 rds of 300 win
ammo and all the team gear in addition to your 308 ammo. I'll carry the
CAR 15 with an extra mag.
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Iselin, NJ, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 18:56:03 (ZULU) (your
host address: 32.97.88.100)
Recently I was browsing through a 5.0 Mustang magazine and I found
an article talking about Les Baer. The guy likes Stangs(no jokes please,
heard thams all thanks), he likes them enough that he has 5 of them that
were mentioned in the article. One is a newer Saleen S351R which runs about
540HP if it has the newest engine mods. He has two 89-93 body style cars
that he drag races, one is a nitrous car and the other is a blown car.
Then the other stand out car is a prostreet car that he is hoping will
run in the 7.5-8.0 second arena in the 1/4mile.
B. Douglas <uglygun@lightspeed.net>
Cowpie, Ca, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 19:11:01 (ZULU) (your
host address: 209.162.15.15)
Rob
I need some direction on the lowly "crimp". I have never used a
crimp except for the old thutty, thutty. (used a, ah, Lee factory crimp
die for that) Now I,m starting to load for .223's and .308,s for semiautos.
Which method should I use? Taper,Lee, none? Any insights on this would
be greatly appreciated. (couldn't find anything in the Hot Tips)
WI, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 19:20:05 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.100.170.170)
I use Lee crimp die for .223 but don't crimp .308 (even for semi-auto).
Co-worker doesn't crimp .308 for his M1A either
Andrew <mysig@fast.net>
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 21:41:22 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.92.7.135)
Mike Miller, stop those BLASPHEMOUS statements about LAPPING. You
must lap ALL rings, it is a right of passage and an initiation all at the
same time! Of course lapping Max50's could be considered as torture also!
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 22:06:48 (ZULU) (your host address:
205.184.143.55)
This is not a ST96 scope! It is something new. It has a 30mm tube,
44mm adjustable objective and the same optics as the SN6. No lit reticle
option is available. It has a glass etched reticle that is the same as
the one on the ST96, but the internals are the new for 2000 SN series up
graded ones. This is a great deal on a scope for a grand. US Optics has
decided to give Leupold a run for the money.
MikeMiller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Calif, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 22:16:50 (ZULU) (your host
address: 205.188.197.53)
John: I use the Redding taper crimp for my M-25 loads, but it's
to remove a ever so slight bell in the case mouth from the mandril sizer,
not to crimp per se.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
being overwhelmed by people with no idea of our government system,
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 22:42:36 (ZULU) (your host address: 12.9.223.170)
TonyY: weight..
1. lapping... aww come on ... now I've heard you say that if doing
a certain trick makes you feel better - then you will probably shoot better
(excluding intoxicants of course). Well I felt great after lapping those
rings... Hell - watch this thing shoot a group as large as a garbage can
lid after all that work.
10% = you had enough sense to build or have built a quality rifle
that won't warp, wiggle, jiggle, or bend.
The other 90% is you pointing it @ the target ... Remember - I've
seen you shoot too...
Nokesville, Va, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 22:57:45 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
Does anyone ('lito?) know the rate of twist for a .308 hbv? And
what's ideal for a .308 175 SMK at 2700 fps? I think I found a hell of
a deal on a Krieger and don't want to mess up.
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 23:06:31 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.237.112)
Heavy Weight Rifle:
Kevin R. Mussack <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 23:36:02
(ZULU) (your host address: 205.188.192.32)
CDC - if you are referring to M-70 HBV rifles, I have two of them.
The earlier hanging tag said it had a 1-12 twist, and the later one said
1-10 twist, so I guess it depends on when it was made. I haven't counted
the turns personally, so I can't say other than what the hanging tags said.
Pat T <patidwelljr@juno.com>
Ca, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 00:18:08 (ZULU) (your host address:
63.28.182.96)
Kevin; don't be applying logic and common sense around here. $5.00
fine! I wouldn't even tow a 20 lb rifle.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 00:38:23 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
CDC...
I have two of the .308 M70/HBV'z (plus one in .223 ;)... one of
them was the lst of the production, just before they went to the "stealth"...
and they both have a 12" twist.
Hornady spec's a 10" for their 178 A-Max's (which are about 1/8"
longer than the 175SMKs...
If you have a good deal on a 12" go ahead, but if you are paying
close to full price, go with a 10"... which will also shoot the 200 and
220 SMKs well.
There are a lot of reasons for the heavy weight... it's not just
"us".
The military M24 runs about 16+ pounds, and has a straight taper
barrel.
The weight of a heavy gun soaks up a lot of pulse, and heart beat...
especially when you've humped and crawled yo' kit several miles, or are
shooting with "Buffalo" sticks.
Also, heavy barrels with straight tapers (not stepped in front of
the chamber) tend to keep the shots in the same place, hot or cold, and
that includes the first shot.
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 00:56:39 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
"Did you ever have to make up your mind, to pick up on one and leave
the other behind, its not often easy, its not often kind, did you ever
have to make up your mind?"
M1A standard black on black, $1245 new
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 01:02:36 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.46.17)
CDC: if the Kreiger you found is a 1:10, it'll work well. That's
what mine is, and you saw first hand how it handled 175 SMK's at 2700 fps,
well, when I wasn't blasting dirt into your face. Even these rounds at
2580 fly well.
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
disgusted with public education in the, USA - Saturday, August 05,
2000 at 01:14:22 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.241)
All: So the question is, if you got a deal on a 1 in 11 Krieger
in top shape, would you use it for 44 grains of Varget and 175 gr. .308
SMKs?
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 01:42:48 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.90)
Got my hands on a 6.5 x 284 built by Bill Wylde. Goodness, happier
than a coon dog with two di*ks. Soon, coyotes will be on the endangered
list:) What a guy and what a gunsmith.
Bruce <Bruce@mannlawfirm.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 02:21:54 (ZULU) (your host address:
208.16.162.10)
Aw Lito; if you had a heart like mine you just wait till SOB misses
about 3 in a row before you shoot. Pay no attention to him Kevin he just
hasn't learned to shoot between heart beats. Drugs is the answer. Get you
some of them inhibitors, trick is to aim in the low part of the heat wave
on the fill the heart chamber while the blood in your finger is slowing
down. Gee's the stuff I have to teach you guys! Or you can pump iorn all
the time like Gooch and carry a heavy gun. What a puss!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 02:37:08 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
Or you learn from Old Dog, who ain't got a pulse at all! He can
shoot one of those carbolite things in 6.5-284 wild Wilde!!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 02:40:28 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
'Yote Bate...
Don't get betterer, you no good bum!
signed "Wylie Coyote"
-------------------------------------
" ... if you got a deal on a 1 in 11 Krieger in top shape, would
you use it for 44 grains of Varget and 175 gr. .308 SMKs?"
Don't listen to that no good 'yote bate... he never met a good barrel
he didn't want to saw off!
The longest rifle he has, is a 30-06 snub nosed Remington 700 VS!
Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 03:19:14 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Bill the only iron I "pump" is a steam iron pressing out a pair
of jeans.
Gooch <kentgooch@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 04:56:55 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.140)
6MM and long range
I have a 6MM IMP with 8" twist and it pushes a 107 BTHP at 3200
fps. Wind drift for a 10 mph wind at 1000 is 69". THe 308 168 at the same
range is 115". The trajectory is also quite a bit flatter. For the wind
velocity challenged such as myself,it cuts my guessing in half!
Yes it is a custom barrel and chamber.But so are most barrels on
a custom tactical rifle. THere are drawbacks (no commercial ammo). As for
barrel life. My rifle has somewhere around 1000 rds down the pipe and it
still shoots better than I can.
Just my opinion.
Bill B.
Bill Byford <byfords@otbnet.com>
IL, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 05:50:29 (ZULU) (your host address:
4.20.172.27)
'lito,
I just measured a sample of factory loaded Lapua 308, the average
neck dimension was 0.3385 (with very little variance).
Redding say to subtract 0.002 to 0.003 from the loaded round neck
dimension (which (obviously!) gives me 0.336)to allow for spring back.
Is your choice of 0.338 based on some cunning reasoning (or are
you simply using thicker brass)?
Matt
Matt <mt@mtwilks.fsnet.co.uk>
UK - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 09:25:35 (ZULU) (your host address:
195.92.67.78)
Matt...
I'm not sure if I said "the" normal bushing was .338", but my normal
one is .338".
Don't ask me to 'splain it, I can't. My finished/loaded size is
.3385", same as you. I bought a .336", and a .340", thinking I'd use the
.336" to load, and the .340" for preping cases for turning. The .336" was
a bit snug, so I got a .338". I use the .338" for loading, and the .336"
only sometimes.
It may be due to the bushings not being "as marked"... I haven't
measured them (and I don't want to take them apart now, I'm in the middle
of a run).
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 10:35:26 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
A quick comment on the Savage 110FP. I have one in 7.62x51. From
the factory the stock was just too light. I replaced it with the Choate
(Maj. Plaster) stock and improved my three round group 60%. I would recommend
it to anyone with the FP. I use a Springfield 2nd Generation, range finding
scope, double mounted. The Choate stock has camoflage tie down areas for
Ghillie type attachments. There was a question by Jeromy about painting
a rifle earlier, and I would advise against it, due to the relationship
between retained heat and shortness of barrel life. Painting the stock
is fine, there are a few brands of outdoor paints (used for duck blinds,
mostly) that will work on synthetic and natural stocks. Just remember to
use flat paints. Camoflage patterns should follow the type of area you
snipe in. In N. Carolina a dark pine type pattern would probably be your
best bet. Fit into your surroundings. Semper Fi everyone!
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 12:36:58 (ZULU)
(your host address: 38.2.209.21)
Charles...
Painting, and powder coating is getting very common.
So please give the source of this info.
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 13:23:59 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Just paint it! Dont get it on the muzzle, dont get it on the lenses
or the elevation and windage knobs and just paint it.
Dave
Ft. Worth, Texas, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 13:25:12 (ZULU)
(your host address: 168.191.176.111)
Bill Byford; I think someone mentioned that bullet as a long range
thing (read back a few posts) and although most conventional rifles would
have a little trouble getting bullet to 3200 I'm willing to buy that wildcat
loadings (which I mentioned) will get you there as well as custom guns
(Mr. Rice will give you a 6mm ride if you want one). Most people are talking
conventional .243 Winchester rifles and that's what I responded too. There
are those here who have taken .223 to the limits of physics and done some
astounding things and although you can be praised for mentioning it, my
post about he 6mm was in the conventional no aftermarket barrels or twists
sense. There is always someone in the shooting game whether it's rifle
or pistol or whatever that will push the limit of the science and amaze
and astound. I pretty much live in the real world around here but you're
all free to play as you wish, that makes the world go around.... I mainly
shoot .308 and .223 12ga and .45 (cept for my .41m business gun) cause
I have an Uncle who make the brass and makes it cheap for me once he shoots
it. MY Uncle is just like me, he lives and trains his troops for the real
world. In Mr. Rogers' neighorhood of today here and now, Coyotes are scoungy
critters that don't care what they get shot with.... and up yours Wylie
Coyote, just watch yore mangy ass come October!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 13:26:27 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
AARRGGHH, NO PAINT? Gimme that turpentine!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 14:20:48 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.138.147.46)
B.R...
Why are you waitin' for October?
Seasons, What Seasons, We don' neeeed no steeenkin' huntin' seasons!!
The original .223 PSS's had a 12" twist, but for the last 3 or so
years, they have a 9" twist.
The guns with 9" barrels are marked as such, on top of the barrel,
about 4" back from the muzzle... if there's no marking, it's a 12"er.
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 14:37:13 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
I saw someone mention in a post of using Kroil http://www.kanolabs.com/
on their rifles. Out of curiosity, why? As far as I have ever known this
stuff is a penetrating oil that is for loosening rusted parts.
CCaspers <deltavkps@hotmail.com>
Omaha, NE, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 14:41:12 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.3.225.76)
Just wondering if anyone has heard about how the Storm Mountain
Teams did at CFSAC this past week......
Estep <Nestep@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 15:01:54 (ZULU) (your host address:
64.12.104.183)
Just wondering if anyone has heard about how the Storm Mountain
Teams did at CFSAC this past week......
Estep <Nestep@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 15:02:03 (ZULU) (your host address:
64.12.104.183)
Good day all:
Way humid Smyrna, GA, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 15:16:52 (ZULU)
(your host address: 24.240.78.136)
Bolt,
Please excuse my breaking in on this STG by DSA vs M1A thing but
I don't recall anyone commenting about reliable quality ammunition supplies
or optics mounts.
>
Re: optics mounting---
If mounting heavy optics on the rifle is a priority, perhaps the
M1A is the way to go. I have not yet heard anything about how well DSA's
bolt-on optics mount for the upper receiver stands up to unintended
abuse.
Any info on this?
>
Re: Good ammunition---
The present political situation does not inspire confidence in a
reliable future supply of good quality ammunition.
A civilian- and perhaps some law enforcement - may be best served
by the adjustable gas system of the DSA- brand STG.
>
I see all sorts of posts on the Armalite site about people changing
ammunition brands and experiencing feed/cycling problems- due mostly to
the non-adjustable gas system.
I don't know how sensitive the M1A is to ammunition.
>
I've been out of the firearms hobby for a number of years and never
bought or had a chance to try one of these tools- or toys; your preference.
>
I stumbled into this site while looking for aerial photos-
one site led to another then to a Marine Corps site and then this
one. No aerial photos, but interesting stuff nonetheless.
>
Hope I didn't re-hash anything you folks have already talked to
death.
>
Oh yeah, my vote.
I'd buy a DSA STG and remove the the muzzle break and shorten the
barrel to the carbine length.
I don't see any sense in having a muzzle break on a gas cycled rifle
in .308.
Percy Blakeney <pblakeney@west.de>
"OOO-SSS-AAA" - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 15:59:54 (ZULU) (your
host address: 206.31.247.10)
Hi. One time sniper (US Army Berlin Brigade and ....), now civilian
FF/Paramedic looking to get back into long range accuracy in my shooting.
The terrain here has very few options (Upstate NY) but I'm looking. Anyway,
I have just purchased a Savage bolt action 300 Win Mag with a "tactical"
bull barrel. I put a 4x16x40 Tasco scope on it and I am now wondering what
the best approach would be regarding loads and what range I can expect.
Ed
Ed <edfernley@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 18:04:19 (ZULU) (your host address:
147.205.108.217)
Hi
Thanks
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 20:48:46 (ZULU) (your host address:
212.49.227.190)
BEWARE: First Defense International Group (FDIG) Probable Interstate
Wire Fraud
Reno, NV, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 21:24:13 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.202.134.129)
Pablito,
Hello! On the topic of painting the barrel, I'm not sure where I
got the info on retained heat. It was about 7 or so years ago, when the
cryrogenic treatment of barrels was the new hype. You are very correct
about sniper rifles (if used as such) generating that much heat. We were
always told "two is too many" (the whole one shot, one kill Marine Corps
thing). Especially considering that I only had a 1911-A1 as backup (plus
my spotter). The basis of the keeping paint off the barrel may be completely
unsubstantiated and may just have been against the policy of our STA platoon
with 3rd Recon. Even if the deterioration of accuracy due to heat holds
true, which is more important, the being off mark by 3 inches, or not being
seen? I prefer to keep a matte black, factory barrel, and using ghillie
attached to stock and scope. That way if I'm out of my usual area I just
switch ghillie patterns. A green barrel (or woodland) sticks out like a
sore thumb in the desert, where straight jute canvas tends to blend better.
Just my opinion. Thanks for your reply. Semper Fi!
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 21:24:50 (ZULU)
(your host address: 63.253.149.158)
Looking for any input as to preferances between bipods. Harris Swivel
or non Swivel. Is the parker hale that much better? Does Parker Hale swivel?
Thanx. B<:>B
Brack <brackett@massed.net>
USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 22:59:34 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.6.67.140)
Brack - swivle vs non-swivel:
Nokesville, Va, USA - Saturday, August 05, 2000 at 23:44:39 (ZULU)
(your host address: 207.233.164.10)
Matt: mine are 0.336 and 0.338, but I use the 0.336 for my brass.
Of course, the brass neck thickness will determine which one you want to
use, so that might be a consideration ;-)
Bravo <Bravo762@yahoo.com>
the banana republic formerly known as the, USA - Sunday, August 06,
2000 at 00:09:00 (ZULU) (your host address: 209.180.85.218)
As far as to swivel or not to swivel, I vote for not. I used to
have one and it moved to much and you can't really lock it down too good.
I use the LM version that has notched legs and springs out which is better
than the ones that spring in and you have to turn the knob to keep it from
going down. You can adjust the notched legs pretty good to compensate for
uneven ground. Check them out before you get the swivel.
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 00:24:00 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.201.83)
Bravo...
Blue jeans and stainless steel... why don'cha tell 'em about me
falling of the cliff again, why don'cha... Jeez, I don't get no respect
on this site.
This year's gun is Teflon BLACK, with cammie jammies for West VA...
(mostly green, with thorns, and lots'a sheep wool ;)
And did you get the Doogie box yet ;)
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 00:27:46 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Rob...
When I set it down, and set it for the bubble, it stays there for
the shot, even if I let loose on the gun for some reason.
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 00:33:46 (ZULU) (your host address:
24.188.89.243)
Lito, Mine had that to but didn't tighten good enough unless like
you said I cranked down on it with pliers and then it sometimes shot loose.
Personally I don't want something on there that needs pliers to change
it. I like to keep all my gear as KISS as possible. The LM model adjsuts
just fine for any slope I've come across yet. I guess it's jus a personal
feel.
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:04:33 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.201.84)
Paint on barrels. USMC teaches to do it and the user manual for
the M40A1 showed you how to do it.
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:04:46 (ZULU) (your host address:
129.71.17.139)
Painting:
I will use or make up some kind of 'pajamas' and cover it that way.
Nokesville, Va, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:19:02 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
Gooch,
Attached to 3rd Recon from 3/8 in spring-summer 1987. "C" Force
was spending too much time in the phillipines and the Gulf. I know what
you're saying. 8th Marine Regiment is 2nd MARDIV. In 1987 we did a flip
and ended up on Camp Schwab. 6 month tour under Lt Col Byce and Col. Sheehan
(now a MajGen I believe). He put 8th Marines into MAUSOC (now MEUSOC),
the first Battalion to do so was ours, to my recollection. Because of all
of this, 3rd RECON attached a STA. I've also heard (but do not know) that
even 3rd ANGLICO had a squad of scout snipers attached. I believe that
Col. Sheehan thought the Phillipines would get a little hotter than it
did. Also, Operation Omaha was going ahead as planned (later to be cancelled).
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:36:59 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.253.150.120)
3rd Recon had no STA thast I know of, only sniper teams used in
the Reconnaissance & Surveillance teams that were in support of the
DAP, at least that was what they had when Imwas there and what the Batallion
used until the disband of 3rd in 1993.
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , ny, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:42:58 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.125)
Does anyone have any experience with the Steyr SBS Tactical rifle?
I really like the way it fits my hand and the trigger is very sweet. The
10 round detachable mag is also very neat. I wonder if I should get the
20" or 26" version?
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:45:53 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.86.38.65)
Charles,
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , ny, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:50:29 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.125)
Kush: You DO mean Philipina, don't you?
CDC <criscurt@isu.edu>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:56:50 (ZULU) (your host address:
134.50.232.56)
All: Armament Technology M24 - saw one of these for sale on Gunsamerica.com
for 3500.00 - not a bad price - considering it's ready to go...
Nokesville, Va, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 01:59:09 (ZULU) (your
host address: 207.233.164.10)
Kush:
Ever try a Buong Egg(SP?)????
My brother-in-law is Philipino & his dad still prefers traditional
foods.
STG58 !! :)
Bill Moore <lmalterna@aol.com>
Goodview, VA, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 02:26:03 (ZULU) (your
host address: 151.199.82.102)
Kush,
I,too, wasted many brain cells drinking Red Horse, San Miguel and
(against regs) Mojo. I would never say anything bad about my time in Olongapo.
I was in Oki 3 months before finally getting to PI. what a relief it was!!!
I was attached from STA 3/8. Lt. Downs was our OIC. The NPA was getting
a little troublesome in 87 (Aquino had just been "elected"). I may know
you. Where you with MSG in '89? Kush sounds familiar. My e-mail address
is legit, let me know.
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 02:28:46 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.253.150.120)
Ahhhh the PI. I was there for 18 months with "A" co Marine Barracks
from 86' to 88'. I also got to go back when I went on float with 3/1. Man
do I miss T's Tavern and Slim's. Or having Orange give me a message at
Samuri's(sp). They were good times but now it's all hotels and touristy.
I still have the pictures and memories though, or at least the times I
can rememeber. :::Sigh:::
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 02:30:15 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.201.47)
Bill you talking about Balut(sp)? The partially fertilized egg that
was cooked or pickled so when you opened it it was a baby chicken or duck
inside? Many a drunken night I grossed out some Navy women and newbies
eating those. But after a bunch of Red Horse it wasn't to hard. Charles
I might have hassled you a few times when you were going in and out of
the base. I tried not to mess with the Marines to much but the Navy was
another story ;)
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 02:38:05 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.201.51)
Rob,
You probably remember us!! We were at the upper MAF camp in the
Summer of 87. The idiots pulling watch over the river and the electric
plant. What was the name of that river? The Boton, I believe. We'd spend
a week on Guard, a week at Red Beach (training?) and a week on patrol with
the Papa Mikes. I wished I was you plenty of times. Especially monsoon
season. Was "A" in Subic or Cubi point?
Semper Fi!
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 02:41:22 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.253.150.120)
Rob,
Did you ever eat those "feet on a stick" things that were on every
corner? I never had the balls, but I had a buddy or two that did. I used
to go down to the Papa Mike area by the gate and eat dog, but that's about
as brave as I got. Besides the old MRE's they'd give us Jarheads. Actually,
I think I preferred the dog over the chicken ala death I used to always
get.
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 02:54:52 (ZULU) (your
host address: 63.253.150.120)
Rob;
That's it! My sis is getting a first class lesson in Philipine cuisine.
Some of it I may have to try, some I will not! Love my bro-in-law but why
couldn't he have been Mexican!!!!! His family name is Primicias & supposed
to have been some relatives in politics when Aquino became seated but they
left soon after!
Later
Bill Moore <lmalterna@aol.com>
Goodview, Va, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 02:58:03 (ZULU) (your
host address: 151.199.82.102)
Pat Tidwell, PeteR. Many thanks for the emails. May have to get
one of those Badger bases.
Jeff A.
Jeff A. <d1k2l3@smyrnacable.net>
Smyrna, GA, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 03:04:19 (ZULU) (your
host address: 24.240.78.136)
I am in the Air Force Security Police and I am going to be going
to a sniper school in Texas with a freind of mine. We were wondering if
there are any 1000m ranges in our area. I found info here but I cant seem
to retreave the a point of contact. Can any one help?
Also I am looking to put stock on my rifle but am having a hard
time finding companies that sell a product that I can trust. I dont want
to end up with a cheap peice of junk. Where do I start? Also do I want
a stock that is light or heavy?
Jason Sider <jks5150@hotmail.com>
Altus, AFB, ok, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 03:05:20 (ZULU) (your
host address: 131.50.151.6)
Never had the feet but had the chicken hearts a few times along
with alot of the "beef" on the stick at Terry's stand. She had the stand
that was about 50 feet down the first right, the way to T's, after you
go out the gate. I was gone about 6 months before I came back on float
but that first night I came around the corner and Terry was there yelling
"Moose!!!" I haddn't seen her in 6 months but she didn't forget me. I used
to hang with the Papa Mikes alot but we didn't patrol with them per se.
We had our own Jungle Operations Branch or JOBs and we usually had a Papa
Mike or Navy guy with us for the language barrier if we caught anyone.
We were right at Subic because we worked all the gates for the base. If
you walked on the base kept going past the ball fields our barracks was
right there. We did all the same stuff you did as far as training, but
we usually used green beach, and patroling so I'm not sure why you would
have wanted to be us. Unless of course you wanted to stay there for 18
month which was nice :) I'm not sure of the river you are talking about.
It's been a while but I still have a topographical map of the base and
surrounding area and I could check it out for you. I do miss that place
but I keep in touch with a bunch of friends from there. I saw one last
weekend and another, who is a sniper in San Antonio, was supposed to come
up but we never heard from him. That kinda sucked because we were really
looking forward to seeing him. Well here's to the memories.
Rob <firestud42@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 03:10:27 (ZULU) (your host address:
152.163.201.51)
Rob,
Kush <smak@pce.net>
Buffalo , ny, USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 03:27:05 (ZULU) (your
host address: 12.28.201.140)
Have abandoned the standard Harris some time back Ken. The Swivel
will do the job it you follow Gooch's recommendations on that screw.
The Jammies you need are called "Snake Skins" they are camo elastic
cloth. They come designed to cover the whole rifle but I cut them in half
and cover the barrel end with the small half. Then use the middle to make
scope Jammies by slitting a 4 inch cut and slipping it over one end of
the scope and then the other. The rest can be pushed up to make 3D Jammies
that protect the gun while you're crawling. Or cover the stock. IT works
pretty well and you're gun finish won't be mauled. This stuff usually will
stay put during a crawl due to the elastic nature. I think it comes in
a brown camo and green.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
USA - Sunday, August 06, 2000 at 03:34:02 (ZULU) (your host address:
209.184.248.252)
As per usual, Kent is right on the swivel thing. Mine came loose
about 250 rounds after purchasing it, so I tig