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re: whitepages.com

Looks like they build a larger cumulative database from "local" telco white pages. Detail for me is same as my telco white pages listing.

Did you know that you can have a listed phone number w/o a detailed address listed "for free"? This allows your friends to contact you from first principles, but doesn't allow less friendly folks to determine your exact location w/o your active co-operation.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 01:18:02 (ZULU)

rod...

>"Did you know that you can have a listed phone number w/o a detailed address listed "for free"? This allows your friends to contact you from first principles, but doesn't allow less friendly folks to determine your exact location w/o your active co-operation."<

How do you mean that?

I'm looking to kinda disappear in a few years - I want friends to be able to call and I don't need to hide from the FBI, but I want to drop through the cracks in the public's view (private investigators, etc), if you know what I mean.

I would welcome a thread on getting invisible in the states...

I have been advised that in a few years, if the legal things I am now pursuing, go well (for me), that I will need to "Get out of Dodge" and get scarce.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 01:47:14 (ZULU)

re: getting lost

Paladin Press has books on the topic, which includes many legal techniques.

Orderable thru Amazon or direct.

My phone number reference was as a cheaper alternative to an unlisted phone number, which has a fee associated. An unpublished address with the telco has no associated fee.

I believe I have a PDF on the "getting lost" topic that I'll send you.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 02:51:11 (ZULU)

CatBlaster: Take a look at my checklist post and make some comments. You wrote: "Whichever one it is, - it's gonna be real bad."

Yep. Get ready for "Change". That's a campaign promise that will be kept. Lots of things we take for granted will "change". Does the phrase, "unintended consequences" spring to mind?

CDC'
Monday, May 19, 2008, at 03:38:23 (ZULU)

Lito,

Don't think your going to drop off the grid anytime soon,what if we have questions.LOL

Also I found Im having a BOY guys,so I have not been shooting as much lately.He will be born august 17th.

Jon Kujawa
Monday, May 19, 2008, at 03:49:40 (ZULU)

rod,

"How's that for a functional cross-reference to Archimedes?" Dennis Miller would be so proud. ;-))

Finger.

When were you in Quang Tri? Reason I ask is because I was at beautiful downtown Phu Bai right down the road from there the second half of '68 and all of '69. One of the members of the gun club I belong to was there in Quang Tri in '69. He was a Marine helicopter pilot,

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 05:57:30 (ZULU)

Clicky. AWESOME video from a hunt with a guy packing some brass balls.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 08:34:12 (ZULU)

Click.

This guy's welcome in my camp ANY time. Dunno how many shots he took to stop this sow grizzly, but he's damn sure a hand with a gun.

Show this to the next stupid fuck that tells you to just pepper spray them.

Also: Veteran sees insurgents flying Mexican flag OVER the American flag. Liberates old glory with a Ka-Bar.: http://youtube.com/watch?v=nONjlZ8YMkA&feature=related

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 09:22:17 (ZULU)

I'm gonna fucking vomit. Click.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 10:30:20 (ZULU)

jc,

I was in Quang Tri most of 69, was in Dong Ha most of 68 and Phu Bai 67, spent a few months outside of Danang in 66. If your friend was a pilot, he may have very well inserted my young butt into the bush back then. I went home October 69.

S/F

Finger

Jim Reifinger
Jacksonville, NC, USA - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 12:25:43 (ZULU)

Jon-K...

>"Don't think your going to drop off the grid anytime soon, what if we have questions. LOL"<

Well, I'll have to disappearify "CatShooter" and reappear in a new alias that no one would suspect - like "KittyWhacker" ;)

I've had a State Police guy tell me that I was "... pushing it" by going after a sitting "Presiding Judge" for conspiracy and trial fixing.

He says, "What's going to happen with 10 years of trials that have to be re-heard? You're gonna make a lot of important people really pissed off!"

And I have a friend that's a retired lawyer (he retired because he got tired of using brown soap every night to wash the stink off)... he gave me a list of stuff I need to do, and the list raised the hair on the back of my neck.

I found two other guys that were victims of this bunch, so I have a cheering section - we're out for these bastard's blood.

rod - thanks for the tip on getting lost - I remember that from a while back and will get a copy.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 13:24:33 (ZULU)

Barrel cleaning, Par Deux...

As we left off last year, with our hero riding off into the sunset with dirty riffles... ;)

OK. Now I have more dirty riffles, and here's where I started this time.

A dirty Wilson factory barrel - not hand lapped, but pretty good as factory barrels go.

~100 rounds of 22-250 through it.

I plugged the barrel with chamber plugs (Go to Midway or Sinclair Int. and look for "chamber plugs).

Stood the riffle on it's butt and poured Hoppe's #9 in the barrel until it was filled.

Let it stand there for about 20 minutes, emptied it, and ran a patch through the bore.

NO GREEN STUFF - the #9 had dissolved all the copper jacket stuff without any effort.

The patch had black stuff on it. Ran a few more patches - a wet then a dry - very very very light gray.

So I ran a patch with "Slick 2000" on it - that's 'posed to be the current carbon killer of favor. I let it sit for the recommended 15 minutes, and ran a dry patch through again.

Nothing, nunja, nada - the barrel is squeekie clean.

So it appears that soaking the barrel in a copper dissolver without any physical agitation will remove ALL of the copper. It appears that the Hoppe's #9 also loosened all the black stuff (often called "carbon" but more likely a mix of powder residuals, ash from the primer and ash from partially burned powder).

So at this point I am saying to myself, "Self!... this is TOO easy".

I mean there's this poor schnook over on 6mmBR.com that posted on Monday that he was trying to get his barrel "really clean" for three days, and couldn't get it clean...

... he would brush it, then patch it and see all the dark stuff, so he would brush it, then patch it... sound familiar?... it does to me.

The thread lead to the common thing about carbon and copper being in layers like a cake... and some "experts" that have never tried anything else said that it took "special" procedures to clean a barrel. (Hmmmmmmmm where did I hear that before??).

Well, I'm not done, but at this point, brushes are looking less and less important in the process. They may not be excluded, but the old thing about brushing over and over is a total waste of time.

Tomorrow I'm gonna try to make some more dirty barrels in the name of science... I promise that I won't enjoy a minute of it.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 20:20:10 (ZULU)

Lito: You can only be hard to find, but no self respecting PI would find it too hard if you maintain your current ID. That said, if all you really need to do is to get beyond the reach of a state or local corrupt machine, then geography does the trick. But, from this date forward, consider accounting for your every moment in terms of airtight alibis.

I stood at the counter and looked a copenhagen 2-for-1 deal dead in the eye and I did not blink. But the little red devil on my left shoulder is still giving me shit for not blinking...this is hard as hell, and it has been a day past a week cold turkey.

The Howa and the older 3-9x loopy mildot scored a low-light yote under a full moon last evening. NV woulda been as overkill as the .308 appears to be at 220 yards (150gr litemag hornady SST tipped). Heheh. What a great little cheapo carry rifle! I want another one for no good reason other than to serve as a loaner for visitors--since that WAS the reason I got this one:)) Now it is my go-to truck-gun for farm chores, alongside the 44 of course.

While savage earned my recommendation for entry-level LR equipment years ago--I would also recommend these M1500s for the same---especially with the cross compatability of after market parts.

Joe M
Monday, May 19, 2008, at 21:04:02 (ZULU)

Optics country:

So I discovered today that I can see the cross-hairs of my telescopic site *much* better w/o my "distance vision" correction than with it. My distance vision correction (glasses) would be optimized for infinity. I was seeing double side-by-side vertical crosshairs and having grouping issues with my distance prescription.

Tried varying the focus of the scope, still much better cross-hair clarity w/o my distance vision correction.

I have lost close accomodation (being over 40), so I cannot read very effectively at 24" using my distance prescription.

So, what is the optimal correction to wear when using a telescopic site and why?

(a) Visual correction optimized for (say) 24" from your eye.

(b) Visual correction optimized for infinity.

I suspect this is a perfect question for 'Lito :-)

Thanks

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 21:51:37 (ZULU)

Lito: thinking about it--there are two ways to "get even" with you. Messing you up physically, or slamming you with the system. It seems more likely that these clowns will try to hang a false charge on you to discredit your claims. The alibi idea is a good one. Might wanna start a journal--times and places of where you go. Make phone calls while at home to people and places easily verified. List names of store clerks as well. Little, detailed, overly anal things. You never know what might come in handy one fine day.

As far as the physical direct action stuff--normal rules apply. Just don't think of home as a safe place to relax. mark doors on exit, check on return. Planted evidence is just as bad as ambush in the long run, and both are countered the same ways.

Start carrying a digital recorder too.

Joe M
Monday, May 19, 2008, at 21:52:17 (ZULU)

re: Barrel cleaning:

Lito, are you referring to "plain" Hoppes #9 Solvent, or Bench Rest 9 Copper Solvent? I'm not questioning your result, just confirming the materials used. I personally didn't find plain Hoppe's #9 to be very effective in dealing with guilding metal fouling build-up in the past (and went to other approaches as a result).

http://www.hoppes.com/products/solvents.html

http://www.hoppes.com/products/bench_rest9.html

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 22:04:15 (ZULU)

Lito-san,

I'd be interested to know how much Hoppe's you use, vs. staying with patches and brushes.

We can always estimate [(pi*d^2)/4]*[bbl. length], but i'd be interested to know about your consumption of Hoppe's. We could always buy Hoppe's by the gallon... with an atomizer for use on Saturday evenings....

Duman
Monday, May 19, 2008, at 22:35:22 (ZULU)

Joe M...

I do plan to use geography as the first step. What I am doing now against them won't come to fruition for some time... and my life is pretty "visible"... they won't catch me in a sleezy bar. I live a very closed and private life, something I learned a long time ago.

rod sent me some good info, and I will start that soon - I have about 38 years experence in being about 80% invisible already so the concepts are not new.

It will be hard to slam me with the system - even now, with my "normal precautions", in the custody trial, they wanted to find out my finances, and three lawyers couldn't find a thing - I appear penniless on paper, and there is no trail to follow - I have been paying cash for everything for a long time, and someone else pays my "check" things like car insurance.

The retired lawyer told me to keep a complete set of papers somewhere else... that got my attention. And (oddly enough) he said that instead of being secretive, I should be out allover the place with my information, so no one can think they can make the problem go away if I have a car accident... make sure that others have copies of everything, and that no one knows all the people.

So for the time being, I'm safe, it's just three or four years down the road that I would like to quietly get further and further away until, no one remembers who I am or what my last address was.

I'm good at setting up shells and Faux addresses and mail drops and that is SOP.

My house is covered, even when I'm not home - I have neighbors that are all over this place when I'm not here... there is always a car in the driveway, there is never a time when someone would think the house is empty... and there are enough guns in the house to hold off the Mexican army - on second thoughts, that would take a .22 rimfire :)

rod...

Unless you have astigmatism, it is always better to look through a scope bare eyed (or with neutral shooting glasses) than with correction. Looking through glasses, you are seeing through the upper left corner of the lens, not the part that the optometrist had in mind when he made the lenses.

And YES... I was referring to "Plain ol' Hoppe's #9" - not the BR jooce. I tried the BR jooce a long time ago, and found it whimpy!

I have a firm rule in my gun room - all gun chemicals have to smell good - I use #9 and G-96 spray oil.

I will marry any woman that wears either of these behind her ears (or "elsewhere")

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 22:37:40 (ZULU)

Joe M: What about getting a digital camera with a year/month/day/hour/minute timer? Put yourself in enough of the photos to establish your when&where.

CDC'
Monday, May 19, 2008, at 22:39:38 (ZULU)

CDC: Date stamps on pics are not valid for reference--you can set them to any time you like. I usually get default dates of 1999 whenever i change batteries and forget to zero out the feature:))

Freakin' big ol' thom just strutted thru my backyard. Peanut wanted to eat it. Bet that sucka went 30-32 pounds!

Joe M
Monday, May 19, 2008, at 22:58:33 (ZULU)

re: scope country

I have astigmatism in my strong-hand eye (that I use for scoped rifles), but even using the central portion of the corrective lense the riflescope cross-hair picture was still clearer with my naked eye.

Acknowledge that the corner of the corrective lense is not the best part :-(

(Rhetorical question) Why didn't someone tell me this before?

It's right up there with - focus on the front sight when shooting an iron-sighted pistol...

I was having this optical problem since at least spring 2007 - ouch!

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 23:13:41 (ZULU)

Joe:

Thom? Please clarify?

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, May 19, 2008, at 23:19:37 (ZULU)

Formally named: Thomas Izza Turkey:)) aka Tom.

This old boy dwarfed his harem and hanger-on jakes, by a long shot.

Joe M
Monday, May 19, 2008, at 23:35:03 (ZULU)

re: .223 Rem

Got to chrono/shoot for group my first Hornady 75g OTM / Varget loading today. Victoria Day holiday in Canada. Got a break in the weather, the sun actually came out part-way thru chrono phase. Bad news, so did the insects :-( Carlos Hathcock's comment about "the bubble" came to mind. I had earlier figured I would be fighting rain, so I had left the bug dope and sunblock behind. (We're just getting into the good weather locally). Big mistake on the bug dope. I did manage to shoot enough of the new load to confirm my 1:9 Rock button-rifled 20" barrel stabilizes the 75g OTM projectile properly. Grouping is promising, but I was also making my corrective lense discovery in parallel with that process - sigh :-(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Day

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, May 20, 2008, at 00:12:15 (ZULU)

Interesting 4 days!

Sitting at home Friday night eating dinner and my right arm goes all numb and tingly...NO BEER! Now I've had this happen before but ALWAYS first thing in the morning and it goes away after about 10-15 minutes. This was at 1800 and lasted 40+ minutes before I decide, DUH this ain't right think I'd better see about it! So after a 3 hour stay, in my own ER, head CT, EKG, Labs and a 4 view regular x-ray of my neck, the doc, thankfully a friend of mine, comes in and says..Ever been in a wreck or fall any injury to your neck of any kind, sports etc??? My answer was negative to all his questions! He shows me one of the X-rays and son of a gun there is a piece of bone in my neck in a place it shouldn't be!!

Sooo this afternoon I drive down to the Air Force Base to see my "Doc" and he looks at the x-rays, I had copies, and says "Gee I've never seen anything like this before!" So the plan is no lifting, pulling, pushing more than 40 lbs, request MRI of the neck and wait for approval, have MRI done then see "doc" again!

Thing is I never know when this is going to occur, it just happens, no obvious trigger, no specific time it lasts it just comes and goes!

Well until the MRI or it gets worse we shall see!!

Sarge

Sarge
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Tuesday, May 20, 2008, at 01:47:27 (ZULU)

Joe M.,

Hang in there. If that stuff is like cigarettes, and I assume it is, the cravings will decrease in intensity as well as frequency. I haven't had a Lucky Strike in over seven years. They still smell good; but it would only take one to get me hooked. If your wife doesn't shoot you for being an jerk due to nicotine withdrawal you'll make it just fine.

Sarge,

Maybe it was those little green men in Area 51! ;o))

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The balmy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, May 20, 2008, at 03:59:38 (ZULU)

Joe M.

Think back to the early days in your Army career, there was a lot of stuff (tryin' to be nice) you had to go through both mentally and physically that was pretty serious stuff at the time and you made it through by force of will. In other words, you displayed great amounts of testicular and intestinal fortitude. You had to in order to succeed in your endeavors.

Just use that same force of will and the same testicular and intestinal fortitude you used earlier on beating the nicotine addiction withdrawal symptoms your dealing with now.

You made it back then and you can make it now. Just cowboy up. I beat it and so can you.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Tuesday, May 20, 2008, at 05:54:17 (ZULU)

'Finger- (may I call you that?) Thanks for that vid. I've heard of that guys book from some friends of mine and I'll have a copy of it soon.

Joe- Is that Howa you mentioned the same rifle that Smith & Wesson used to market as a 1500? I'm not sure but I think it's the same and they used to make it for S&W.

Hang in there with the nicotene withdrawals man you'll be glad you did, but you know that already.

Bolt- Did you shoot in that match on Saturday? How'd you do?

I dug through my old stuff and found some high power score books from when I was younger. My last match, until a couple months ago, was at Ft. Benning in 1990. Unbelievable. Seems like a few years ago and I still remember the guys and the match. First one logged in was in 1984. My dad and I shot it together with a DCM loaned M1. I was a pizza faced, skinny ass 16 year old with big buck teeth wrapped in braces. I had been shooting smallbore in my ROTC rifle team but this was my first HP match. An M1 is very different than a 40-X rimfire with a 28" bull barrel. By the time I got to slow prone my lips were bleeding pretty good but it didn't really hurt and I was having a ball. Dad and his buds just loved that shit. Kid bleeding all over the stock and finished out the string with a decent score. They told stories about that for years. I wish he could be here for just one more match.

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Tuesday, May 20, 2008, at 06:05:07 (ZULU)

Sarge: "Gee I've never seen anything like this before!" sound the last words you want to hear from a doctor. Good luck.

CDC'
Tuesday, May 20, 2008, at 11:54:37 (ZULU)

Joe M - I wish I could share some life experiences to make your withdrawal a bit less difficult.

Let me see if I can sum it up succinctly...

Smoking and Chew cause cancer. Cancer rots you slowly from within. As you near the end of your very painful journey, you have to call the ambulance for your last ride...everything from that point forward is more painful, with no respite until you die. The young medics that attend you will look on your withered body lying there in the cot and think "there goes another one"...

So , in short, chew will transition you from a strong, self reliant, national hero..... to a pathetic, emaciated, rotting shadow of a person that, at best receives pity instead of admiration.

I hope I've made things easier....Peanut deserves a dad there to walk her down the aisle a few decades from now.

I'm sorry if this upsets folks that have had family members travel this path. That is not my intent.

medicjim
Tuesday, May 20, 2008, at 14:08:36 (ZULU)

"...to walk her down the aisle a few decades from now."

So soon? How about a dozen decades???

Ya know, the scariest part about that scenario is how easily I ignored it over the years. Yeah; I know cancer is a likely outcome from my abuse of this product---but it was always the other guy who would fall---not me; I was indestructable:)) Even now that is not exactly why I quit: It was more about who (or what) called the shots in my life. I realized that copenhagen had assumed too much control. Also, since returning from overseas, I started getting "days" per can, then nearly a week. Even while powering down on usage, I could explain a hundred ways why I didn't wanna or need to quit. That pretty much summed up why I did.

MarcS: It could be; Howa makes rifles for a variety of sources over the years. Weatherby Vanguards are but one example. Who knows if i got a sweet one or if they are all decent? Actually, it shoots two loads great and several very poorly (huge differences)---finnicky. I just happened to have hit on the good ones right off the bat. Fit is pretty good, finish not so good (but better than stevens:))

Joe M
Tuesday, May 20, 2008, at 17:01:40 (ZULU)

"So soon? How about a dozen decades???"

Ha, my little girl is gonna be six this fall and the wife is scheduled for a c-section early this June...gonna be a boy.

I've lost so many friends to disease, accident, job related stuff and cancer lately that I'm scared. Near as I can tell, my immortality wore off somewhere around age 35...I'm 42 now and it sucks. I looked down about a year ago and there was a belly sticking out....where the f*ck did that come from! I'm up to 5 miles running every other day and it still sucks...but I'm determined to make it till both mine are at least on their own...

medicjim
Tuesday, May 20, 2008, at 18:04:53 (ZULU)

White page listings: mine don’t come up, but the available history does. That is, until I went “off the grid”. Nothing available since 2002, nothing accurate since early 2001. Almost as if someone planned it that way. I don’t know how to do anything about past records, but I sure the heck don’t have any present ones – and won’t create future ones.

Doing so isn’t that hard, but it does take persistence, diligence, and sometimes some extra expense. LE knows where I am – they can read it off my explosives handlers permit - but I’m not keeping a low profile with them in mind. Even so, I don’t keep my eggs all in one basket. That’s just stupid to do – even if your basket is a fireproof “industrial” bank model.

In the end, it’s not a question of if one is paranoid. It’s a question if one is paranoid enough.

That having been said, I’m gonna post a link everyone ought to watch – and I invite / request any (constructive) comment from active LE! This is a video taped law professor’s lecture, he splits the time with a retired detective (detective starts just past half-way through, and agrees with virtually everything). It’s called DON’T TALK TO THE POLICE. http://www.regent.edu/admin/media/schlaw/LawPreview/

JK – good stuff. Now the work begins.

Sarge, if you really were trying to get out of the BobbyWorld experience, there’d be easier ways to do it than messing up your neck! HA! Really, I hope everything comes out fine my friend... if there’s anything I can do, say so!

Spent the weekend on the shooting range from early-early to late-late both days. All I got to fire was a staplegun. Seeing progress in others is a great thing. Getting gear working for others is great. Walking off the range without having fired a shot sucks rocks.

Bravo
Tuesday, May 20, 2008, at 19:25:55 (ZULU)

Bravo: I know I've been spending too much time teaching and not enough time shooting when I can speed-load a stapler faster than my pistol.

However, I'd rather be teaching than shooting - especially since our clients are mostly people who will be going in harm's way on our behalf.

My business card says, "Training Freedom's Defenders to Take Out the Trash."

There's a lot of satisfaction in that.

Tobacco country: I quit smoking 20 years ago. When I get to be 80, in 18 more years, I going to start again.

Lindy
On the road somewhere in North America, U.S.A. - Tuesday, May 20, 2008, at 21:36:55 (ZULU)

"Tobacco country: I quit smoking 20 years ago. When I get to be 80, in 18 more years, I going to start again."

There is wisdom for ya! Seriously; I just told myself that I can dip again on my 80th b-day, and I felt better about the whole thing:))

Joe M
Tuesday, May 20, 2008, at 22:58:05 (ZULU)

Bravo,

That was most informative and I learned a bunch. Thank you very much.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Wednesday, May 21, 2008, at 01:16:34 (ZULU)

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/bush-apologizes-for-quran-shooting/20080520092609990001

Sniper shoots quaran and is disciplined and moved out of theater.

LTChip
Wednesday, May 21, 2008, at 05:23:37 (ZULU)

How to get kicked out of a warzone. Clicky.

Sorry, Chip, posted before I got this far. That's some shit, ain't it?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, May 21, 2008, at 07:04:56 (ZULU)

I still can't believe it...

UnPat
Wi, USA - Wednesday, May 21, 2008, at 09:40:42 (ZULU)

Ted Kennedy...

Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy!

I know, that wasn't nice to say.

Now if only Sarah and friends could join the party.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, May 21, 2008, at 13:36:07 (ZULU)

'Lito said:

"Now if only Sarah and friends could join the party."

That would imply they weren't already affected by a neurological deficit...

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, May 21, 2008, at 16:43:24 (ZULU)

rod...

Naw, but she has lung cancer, so I figure that since we are starting to loose them, they might as well go together :)

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, May 21, 2008, at 23:58:18 (ZULU)

'Lito-roster email posted. SC in subject line in re off grid.

Travis-not blip. Look at T shirt, both color and fit-especially arm length. Also look at lack of smudging on hand/arm closer to fireworks than face at time of "activation".

WR Moore
Thursday, May 22, 2008, at 01:07:01 (ZULU)

'Lito,

Maybe we should send her some Cohibas, and a note, saying, "No hard feelings"?

WR Moore,

I DON'T CARE !!! It's still funny. And you obviously haven't enough to do. Go pull some weeds.

Guys,

Had to shoot my oldest remaining friend today. Old Bud (the horse) was down, and couldn't get up. He'd been having hip problems for some time, and was in his 30's. First time I ever cried about killing something. Dad got him as a yearling when I was a toddler, so we grew up together. When I pulled the trigger, I didn't even feel the recoil. I just started blubbering like a damned little kid.

I think I'll always miss the way he'd "talk" to me when I brought out his grain. He'd looked awfully sorry for some time, being as old as he was, but he always seemed happy, so I kept putting off putting him down for as long as I could. It damn near killed me when my mare started looking around for him. They'd been together for about 18 years.

After losing Dad last fall, then having my favorite pup and 3 others die recently from distemper then this, I'm about ready to go live in the desert for a while, where pretty much everything else is already dead.

Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, May 22, 2008, at 04:17:28 (ZULU)

Don't be giving away good (well, moderately) cigars. White Owls from Walgreens will do just fine.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Thursday, May 22, 2008, at 05:08:57 (ZULU)

Travis-it's called 12 hr night shifts......

Very sorry to hear about your problems with critters. Had to put a couple of mares down last year....thank God they weren't the ones who nibble my ears and so on.........

WR Moore
Thursday, May 22, 2008, at 06:03:05 (ZULU)

WR Moore,

Yeah, when they've been a friend for 30 years, it's hard to do. I wish to hell there woulda been someone else around to hook up the log chain, drag him off, and bury him. Every time I looked in my side mirrors, it kinda got to me.

I guess all this death is good training for later years, when you check up on your friends in the obituary section.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, May 22, 2008, at 07:59:04 (ZULU)

Third Court of Appeals in Austin, Texas rules the the facts were "legally insufficient" to remove children from FLDS compound in Texas. It did not order the immediate return of the children.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Thursday, May 22, 2008, at 19:38:02 (ZULU)

Sarge,

I had a about the same thing going on with my left arm. I would get tingly feelings in it and my little finger and the one next to it were going numb.

Then I started to get some really bad pain along with it in my arm and shoulder blade area. I had three bad disc's in my neck. They were pinching nerves. I finally had surgery and have three disc's fused togeather now with a plate.

I am now pain free but tying to shoot prone for any length of time really sucks. I get headaches an have a limited range of mobility looking over my shoulder but other than that I feel great!! Hope you get yours fixed and have no more problems I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

Catman,

"Know it all old fart" now thats some funny shit!!!!!!(HA) Double (HA) On barrel cleaning, you need to try the foam cleaner "Wipeout" I was turned on to it about 6 months ago and it flat works!!!! I tried other foam cleaners but was not impressed but this is one that will clean your rifle. Hope all is well with you!!

Pat
Thursday, May 22, 2008, at 20:10:09 (ZULU)

Anyone tried drywall sanding screen to get the lead out of the throats on handguns?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, May 23, 2008, at 07:39:26 (ZULU)

Travis....I don't even use it on drywall! LOL. Joe will get that one, it's a joke...

Chuck Hunt......maybe it's just me, but isn't there something terribly, fundamentally wrong with the fact that a court found that the authorities tore all those kids away from their momma without sufficient cause, yet hasn't returned them????? I read all the articles.....I saw one after a few weeks had passed, it said that the women who allegedly called in the complaint had yet to be found and interviewed, and that the call may have actually originated in Colorado or something. Hmmmmm. Isn't that strange? And it's funny how all they interviewed were feminists and humanists in the articles to expound on how terrible these people were.....oh my GOD!!! How funny, and sad, that I recognized all sorts of very plain biblical commands regarding family life in these articles about how horrible this sect was. Since when is it strange, illegal, and abusive for men and women to live the way the bible commands???? What CPS did to these families is horrible. Because some of these women were married and got pregnant while underage, they sieze 600 kids, none of whom were in immediate danger, and split them up all over the state!!!

Here is the latest from AP.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/POLYGAMIST_RETREAT?SITE=WIMIL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

As a four year veteran of foster homes when I was a kid, I can tell you this. I had it much better with my mom (who's faults were drinking and issues related to drinking) than I did in any foster home. I guarantee you, those kids had it much better on that ranch than they do right now, and it wouldn't have happened if the government (we're here to help!) hadn't stepped in like the fucking Gestapo.

[soapbox mode] Those people may have lived a different moral and religious code than most, but it really looks to me like because they don't fit the modern/secular/humanistic way of life that our handlers want us to live, they are being excessively persecuted. IMO, what the government is doing to those people is as wrong, if not more so, than the way those people are living. I don't think anyone was held in their compound at gunpoint. They were there of their own free will.

Somehow, I don't see those people:

- doing drugs

- boozing it up

- wrecking cars

- killing other people on the highways

- gangbanging

- kids shooting gobs of other kids in their classrooms.

Don't see any husbands/fathers abandoning their wives and kids to a life of welfare and struggle either. Imagine that!!!! Have we hit on a light bulb here?

There is something really screwed up when foreigners can come here, practice fundamentalist Islam, and are vehemently protected and defended by the liberals and the government........yet the same people and institutions vehemently prosecute fundamentalist Christians.......even when they don't really know what they are prosecuting them for. Since when, in America, is it illegal to live in a large group according to a strict interpretation of the bible?????? I have no judgement one way or another on having multiple wives.....I can't handle just one. But for God's sake, prosecute the child rapists and remove them from the community, give all the kids back to their mommas, butt out, and leave those people the hell alone. [/soapbox mode]

Geoff M
WI, USA - Friday, May 23, 2008, at 08:41:46 (ZULU)

Agreed.

And as for the underage kids marrying each other, I don't necessarily agree with it, but I certainly don't see the harm.

It certainly can't be any worse than the little whores we have running around everywhere anymore that have been ridden more than Secretariat.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, May 23, 2008, at 08:53:05 (ZULU)

Geoff,

I almost forgot to chime in on foster parents. I had some world class losers.

One was so bad I was hiking 6 miles or so into town, just for some decent food. I wouldn't have let goats shit in that house. When I reported the conditions to the SRS, I got sent to a residential facility, where I was the only one there without an arrest record, and one of only a handful of white kids.

If they thought that was the way to keep me from getting into fights, that was seriously flawed thinking. If they wanted to make me more dangerous, with a shorter fuse, they succeeded.

The scumbags that run Youthville ripped me off for most of the money I made working, and they'd break or steal pretty much anything of value you had. They're some real criminals.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, May 23, 2008, at 09:00:52 (ZULU)

Travis, Deleading anything ,"Copper Chore Girl", The stuff the womens use to clean pots and pans works well.

Wind a bit around a bore brush and have at it !

A tip is to degrease everything as the Copper will pick up Lead better without any oil in the way.

Copper is soft and won't damage the steel.

No sand screen ,PLEASE !!

Regards,

Joisey Steve

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, USA - Friday, May 23, 2008, at 11:36:23 (ZULU)

Geoff and Travis...

It's because they didn't want government help, that the government went in and "helped" them.

Lookie...

In many states it's legal to get married at 14 - in my state, it's legal at 16 (and Connecticut is a modern, "liberal" state). Last I looked, that's "Underage teenagers"

In this country, most black teen and sub-teenage girls get pregnant, and the state L-O-V-E-S them. They get free stuff, free apartments, social workers (who try and fail to keep them from getting pregnant again), and no one raids the parents house, no one storm troops anything - nothing on TV, and 80% of black teenagers have children out of wedlock - and no one gives a shit... cuz it keeps the government in in control, and gives all those social workers a job - they have "control".

But these LDS folks have said, "Fuck you" to the government, "We don't want you or your values, we have better!", and like Geoff said, they have none of the plagues of modern day living... no drive-by shootings, no drugs, no yadda yadda yadda.

I don't go along with all of their stuff - but that's America - no one promised me that I would approve of everything I see other's do. And no one told them that they had to approve of everything I do.

If you went to the store and asked for a dozen eggs, a loaf of bread, and a package of bacon, and got got home and found in the bag, two dozen eggs, two loaves of bread, and five packages of bacon, you'd think WHAT A BARGAIN...

... but the only bargain in this country we have now is the government - we get more government than we want or asked for - it multiplies while you sleep, like rabbits... and they shit on us like rabbits too!

What I do see is... the government raiding people that live differently - just like Waco. You want to be religious and live apart from "us", well that shit doesn't go.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, May 23, 2008, at 12:53:37 (ZULU)

Travis

I use bronze wool to remove lead from the bore of my hand guns. Bronze wool is softer than steel wool and contains on oil.

I wrap it around an under sized brush. I got mine from a friend who runs a machine shop, but i'm sure Brownells would handle it.

Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Friday, May 23, 2008, at 12:53:41 (ZULU)

Standard trip-and-fall scenario, with a strange injurious outcome. OK, so I get mega-style points for incorporating a puppy, a kennel and a bar stool into the fall--but basically it was a from-feet-to-floor thing.

That resulted in a sprained and cracked (break) ankle. WTF? I would understand a wrist injury from catching myself, and the two knee twists/ bruises are understandable--but what was my ankle doing in the mix? Crutches again...

At least the weather allows for some biking. I won't be jogging for a bit now:((

Joe M
Friday, May 23, 2008, at 16:00:18 (ZULU)

Global warming article from Steven Milloy of JunkScience.com.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,357201,00.html

Here's a little from that article-

"In a campaign stop in Oregon, Obama called for the U.S. to "lead by example" on global warming. "We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say 'OK.' … That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen," he said.

A President Obama apparently would decide how to regulate the pantries, thermostats and modes of personal transportation of his fellow Americans based on the emotional temperature of every non-American who happens to harbor an opinion on how we should live."

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area,, CA, - Friday, May 23, 2008, at 16:27:25 (ZULU)

Geoff....amen, brother. Amen. And don't even get me started on Waco. I'd like to meet Mr. Horiuchi in a dark alley. Or a well-lit street.

When the welfare state allows people to let their 12 and 13-year-old daughters to get pregnant and not do a damn thing, then takes children from LEGALLY married parents because of them being a "cult", it's time to start rethinking the social compact. I'm going to stop there.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Friday, May 23, 2008, at 16:31:31 (ZULU)

'Lito:

At least you and I aren't getting as much government as we're paying for :-(

Lead removal from bores:

Miracle Cloth cut into patches works well.

Sold in grocery stores or this web site:

http://miraclecloth.com/

(Also sold at exorbidant prices by firearm cleaning supply vendor).

Lewis Lead Remover also works well.

Source from gunshops and Brownells, among others. Uses a Copper mesh screen and expander plug to create close fit.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, May 23, 2008, at 16:32:59 (ZULU)

FNC commentators seem to think that it is better to err on the side of gestapo than the constitution when it comes to children. What a great test case for your views on liberty: if it is OK to stomp all over someone else's rights when the slightless possibility may exist for wrongdoing---who then sets the standards on what alleged wrongdoing gets the nazi-treatment? Slippery-slope arguments used to be painted as "alarmist" in these situtations; while the proponents of pet causes (who can argue with child welfare?) say that "this is a special case." Well, by now either you agree that one liberty let go leads to the next--or you live under a rock. The slippery slope argument that was derided in the 80s and 90s is starting to look like a winner, eh?

And I came out against this seizure immediately--while even a few here countered that the allegation, regardless of the source--made it OK.

Told you so...welcome to my world...here's your tin hat:))

(edit due to an immature taunt)

"told you so?"---that sounds condescending after re-reading. My intent was to say that we cannot allow ANY deviations from the burden of the 4th ammendment on the government---regardless of the emotional tugs on our heartstrings.

It all comes down to how you answer this question:

Which is worse, an innocent man hanged or a guilty man walking free?

Joe M
Friday, May 23, 2008, at 16:57:49 (ZULU)

MarcS: "...… and then just expect that other countries are going to say 'OK.' … That’s not leadership."

If you accept Obama's logic, yielding control of our lives to people who do not like us IS leadership.

His handlers should screen all questions. Withot a script this guy reverts to his Ivy League re-education camp programming.

Reagan would have smashed this empty demagogue like a beer can on the interstate. But we are being "led" by McCain. There is no point in belaboring that fact.

Oil is double what it was last year. Congress is attacking oil companies which can only lower the incentives to invest in those companies. That raises prices.

Any other potential source of energy has been stopped by the greenies.

If the Dems win control of both houses - and put this empty suit in the White House - life in the US has the potential of being very different than it is now. Open borders, energy, international respect for our military, throwing the Middle East to Jihadis, nationalization of medical care,...we can go on and on.

All of you already knew all this, so the preceeding was my political rant for this election year.

CDC'
Friday, May 23, 2008, at 17:04:30 (ZULU)

CDC: Yeah, we will have all of those issues. I see it coming, in fact. McCain or Obama--the difference lies in "when" all this comes to pass.

While many see this as a handful of disappointing social changes--I see it as a confluence of inter-related disasters coming to a head: Oil, or "cheap energy" is as pervasive a thread in society as "people" are; with cheap energy we feed 6.6 billion appetites. The dollar contributes to rising prices by falling in value. Congressional overspending already is a driving force in this downward spiral---socialization of healthcare (and big oil?) will only add to this pressure. Unchecked immigration dilutes the impact of tax levies bringing the free lunch to the newly created needy; not counting the downward pressure cheap labor has on real wages for those of abiding by the rules. Unemployment as a measure will quickly be meaningless as "underemployed" becomes the real problem for many...each and every "fix" proposed by the left will feed on itself.

In short, we'll collapse the house of cards.

Using european style socialism as a model is fine, as long as it is abstractly considered. But, to do so while disregarding our debt load overseas and the fact that european socialism is funded in part by the US taxpayers (care to refute that? Just think in terms of whose troops live where)--that is just asking for disasterous outcomes.

Heheh. They'll get what they asked for: Vote for a change in your wallet! And watch the wallet empty itself out:)) well...that is CHANGE you can believe in. Changing dollars to pennies...

I crack me up...cuz that anology ---isn't. It is the potential in this race.

Of course, there's always the other hand: Backlash. This country is famous for its ocsillations (prohibition is one of the waider swings)--and backlashes against the excesses left or right. Mexico, of all things, could provoke its own backlash against the dems and McCain: Immigration illegally across that border is bad enough---but violence spilling over is quite another. If Mexico cannot effectively crackdown on these cartels, do you think the cartels will stay south??? Click.

(the war on drugs is a waste of time and treasure, FWIW---and to deny the destabilization thru our war on drugs of our neighbor is wishful nonthinking)

It's a race to see what flies apart in our faces first! Hopefully, any one issue will on its own--before we tie them all together in a suicide pact of socialism:))

I still think we will crash the economy and ride a wave of hellish social breakdown. But I am pessimistic on the wisdom of this nation's citizen/ subjects...

Joe M
Friday, May 23, 2008, at 17:29:16 (ZULU)

I'm about a third of the way through "Unintended Consequences". That Henry Bowman is sure a lucky little fucker! 20mm Solothurn? Hell, I never had adecent .22, until I'd been on my own quite a while!

Also,

Dammit, Joe! It's horseback riding/hiking/fishing season! No more "extreme tumbling" while juggling a dog, two cats in a washtub, and flaming chainsaws! You can be layed up during Varmint and duck season, when you just have to sit there!!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, May 23, 2008, at 19:24:41 (ZULU)

while on the subject...an article on commodities' surge in prices (brass and lead, for example, reflects this). Click.

Joe M
Friday, May 23, 2008, at 19:27:25 (ZULU)

Hahaha.....OMG. I am rolling here. Vote for "change"....we won't tell you what kind of change you are voting for until later!

Geoff M
WI, USA - Friday, May 23, 2008, at 19:47:48 (ZULU)

I forgot to mention food. This stupid ethanol/corn subsidy is madness.

https://www.intrade.com/ is a betting exchange. Among other things, they have a market for politics futures. Markets are the best way to assimilate information.

CDC'
Friday, May 23, 2008, at 20:25:33 (ZULU)

Click for another politics futures market. The last I heard, this market and the market from the previous post, give much better predictions than you get from any poll.

From IEM's site:

"The IEM is an on-line futures market where contract payoffs are based on real-world events such as political outcomes, companies' earnings per share (EPS), and stock price returns. The market is operated by University of Iowa Henry B. Tippie College of Business faculty as an educational and reseach project."

CDC'
Friday, May 23, 2008, at 20:34:27 (ZULU)

There have been many times when I've been angry about politics and/or the state of our nation. This is the first time I've been frightened.

On a lighter note (and I apologize in advance for bringing up a beaten subject)... I've read many posts about why you should or should not use moly and as I remember most here don't like it. I thought what the hell I'll try it it's only a barrel and they get replaced anyway. So after about 400 rounds through my GAP .243 I decided to give it a thorough cleaning. Now, how in the hell are you supposed to get this shit out of a barrel? After all of the Shooter's Choice and Sweet's I tried a little JB compound. Seemed to work 'cuz black peanut butter came out so I tried a little more...then a little, or maybe alot, more. Eight patches of back and forth short stroking all the way out of the muzzle and it's still black peanut butter. I got tired and gave up on it right there. Seriously is there a trick to getting it out?

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Saturday, May 24, 2008, at 04:33:39 (ZULU)

MarcS

I had the bright idea of using Moly in my 454 a few years ago, and like you i didn't like it.

What worked for me was hot water and dish soap, and a lot of elbow grease.

Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Saturday, May 24, 2008, at 11:59:58 (ZULU)

MarcS...

>" There have been many times when I've been angry about politics and/or the state of our nation. This is the first time I've been frightened."<

That is an excellent way of putting it - and I feel the same way.

It doesn't make any difference who wins, we're FUCKED big time.

>"... So after about 400 rounds through my GAP .243 I decided to give it a thorough cleaning. Now, how in the hell are you supposed to get this shit out of a barrel? After all of the Shooter's Choice and Sweet's I tried a little JB compound. Seemed to work 'cuz black peanut butter came out so I tried a little more...then a little, or maybe a lot more. Eight patches of back and forth short stroking all the way out of the muzzle and it's still black peanut butter. I got tired and gave up on it right there."<

See - next time you'll listen to us ;)))

>"Seriously is there a trick to getting it out?"<

Well, it's "secret handshake" stuff. so I shouldn't tell you.

Send that POS crappy stick to me and I will get it out for you.

It might take a few years cuz it's real hard to do. ;)

If you don't fall for that one, then get a brass brush and some Hoppe's #9 and scrub it for a while - 20 or 30 strokes, then wet patch it four or five times, then dry patch it, and go shoot.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, May 24, 2008, at 14:05:59 (ZULU)

I'll pass on the soap and water 'cuz I'm way too lazy for all of that. I'm out of the magical #9 jooce so I'll just run more SC through it with patches and brushes. I'll do that until I'm tired of it and that's what it will be. I'm at 500 rounds with it now and I expect I'm probably one third through it's life anyway.

I'm almost finished with my first and last moly experiment.

Off to my local HP match.

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Saturday, May 24, 2008, at 15:33:09 (ZULU)

Gives new meaning to " Air Assualt " !!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=j-66AcTo9TU&feature=related

Regards,

Joisey

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Usa - Saturday, May 24, 2008, at 15:51:43 (ZULU)

CDC: When the government's own defense of its subsidies begin with misdirection---you know it is untenable. But the government can be counted on to do one thing without fail: Reinforce failure! Education spending at all time hoighs per pupil (and yes, this is adjusted for inflation) still isn't enough? Why then, just spend more for the same! Just add money---don't change anything else. is there anything that does not fit this pattern since the 40s?

The missing section of the horrible farm bill cracks me up. Somewhere, there is an aide that deserves the freedom medal for that trick:))

On lighter note, but only *slightly* more related to our topic: Some morons (of the doctorate variety) are suing to keep the new euro super-collider turned off--for fear it could create a microscopic black hole that would eventually devour the earth. Hmmm. The most massive star burns out, and the shock waves of gravity colliding with the electron's repelling forces either result in collapse to this 'hole"--or, the resulting splashes of matter away from the center leads instead to a neutron star...in either case, how in the hell will a micro-sized beam of energy (protons, at that) develop the mass necessary to collapse into perfect density?

These are the same idiots that cannot tell you where rain will fall tomorrow but are happy to predict the melting of icecaps a hundred years hence...psuedo scientists...ha.

Bah. Humbug. I am no physicist, or climatologist--but science is never "settled"--so those who say it is my warning bell for the idiocy to follow....

Joe M
Saturday, May 24, 2008, at 17:22:32 (ZULU)

High-energy physics country:

Joe:

Google "Quantum black hole" for more reading on the topic.

Stephen Hawking said years ago that quantum black holes rapidly evaporate, so unless you get it moving really fast too so that it can scoop a bunch of other matter up, it will go poof before it becomes a threat.

The part that urks me the most about the scientific opponents is that they didn't start a concerted legal action until *after* the massive investments in the hardware were made. If they were really serious about the issue, shouldn't they have at least *tried* during the planing or early construction phases? It's not like such a mega-science project was done with any kind of secrecy...

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, May 24, 2008, at 18:01:21 (ZULU)

I'm watching "No Country For Old Men". WTF kinda silencer does the bad guy have on his shotgun? I need one of those!

Also, what kida shotgun does the main character have?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Saturday, May 24, 2008, at 19:34:42 (ZULU)

Optics Country:

The telescopic sight eyepiece focus adjustment is what I needed to tune so that my distance prescription was compatible with having the reticle cross-hairs in sharper focus. A shooting buddy explained to me that the eyepiece adjustment uses a very fine pitch thread on the Leupold, so several complete turns are often necessary.

With my Leupold scopes, I found that I had to make 5 complete CCW rotations to change the adjustment from the factory setting. For those keeping score, my distance prescription is currently around -1.5 diopters for my strong-side eye. If my prescription diopter was significantly larger, I could have run out of adjustment range on the Leupold.

The downside of adjusting my optics is that now my sticks are proprietary to my visual correction :-( The upside is that I should be able to group much better, now that I can again see the cross-hairs in sharper focus. I've been having problems with this for at least a year.

This is the Leupold answer item on the topic:

http://www2.leupold.com/resources/MyInfo81/Answerbook/findanswers.aspx

How do I Focus the Eyepiece of my Leupold?

Focusing the Reticle Have you ever looked through a scope and had the reticle seem soft or fuzzy? If so, this means the eyepiece is not properly adjusted to your eye. Focusing is simple with Leupold scopes, because they have a generous focusing range, and because no tools are required. Just follow these steps: Secure the scope and firearm in a firm rest. Point the scope at a light colored background object. With the scope approximately four inches from your eye the reticle should appear sharp and crisp; if it does not, it is necessary to adjust the focus by means of the eyepiece. If your Leupold scope is one of our models with an eyepiece that has a lock ring, follow these simple steps: 1. Grasp the eyepiece with your hand and back it away from the lock ring. Once the lock ring is free from the eyepiece, turn it clockwise away from the eyepiece to keep it out of the way during the adjustment. 2. If you tend to hold things away from yourself to see them clearly (you are far-sighted) turn the eyepiece counter-clockwise by three or four turns. If you hold things close to yourself to see them clearly (you are near-sighted) turn the eyepiece clockwise by three of four turns. 3. Looking through the scope when pointed at the sky, take a few quick glances at the reticle. The focus of the reticle should be noticeably different from when you started. Continue this process until the reticle appears clear and sharp. 4. When you are satisfied with the image of the reticle, turn the lock ring so that it rests firmly against the eyepiece. If your Leupold scope is one of our models with a fast-focus eyepiece, follow these simple steps: 1. All adjustment is made with the eyepiece. 2. Look through the scope with quick glances while focusing the reticle image. If you tend to hold things away from yourself to see them clearly (far-sighted) turn the eyepiece ring counter-clockwise until the reticle is clear and sharp. If you hold them close to yourself to see them clearly (near-sighted) turn the eyepiece ring clockwise until the reticle is sharp and clear. If your eyesight changes, readjust the eyepiece. As we age, eyesight normally changes. You may want to check the sharpness of the reticle on your scope every few years to ensure it is still adjusted correctly for your eye. NOTE: To protect the integrity of the waterproof seal of every Leupold Golden Ring scope, an internal mechanism prevents the eyepiece from coming off the scope.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 00:06:13 (ZULU)

"Paranoia…………the rational reaction to the realization of reality."

Can't take credit, been reading too much here lately.

Philosophy 101, Bolt out!

Bolt
Somewhere in darkest........, NC, - Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 02:36:20 (ZULU)

government...

Insanity: Repeating the same behavior and expecting different results

Seems to be a common theme in many gov't programs too :-(

"...that didn't work. Let's increase the budget and do more of it, that should fix it!"

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 03:17:52 (ZULU)

Joe, Mark S, Litto, CDC,

Just.. Damn. Are we to do all this just to see the nation fall to apathy? I keep wanting to poke a hole in your predictions, but can't. The only thing I have to fall back on is: "All things work for the good of those who love the Lord." But that doesn't mean there won't be much pain & loss along the way. This life is battle, if scripture is to be believed.

You guys have the ticklish feeling going in the middle of my back: the one that says CK6. Gotta do some thinking & planning.

God bless these blind morons we've elected (all of them). They'd better hope nothing happens to my family: gloves'd be off then.

SSG Mac
Horatio on the bridge... as Rome burns, - Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 03:40:42 (ZULU)

MarcS,

Mix some Shooter's Choice about 50/50 with Kroil or Marvel Mystery Oil. Run a couple of patches soaked with the mixture through the bore, then wrap a wet patch around a slightly undersized brush and start scrubbing. It'll work better than Shooter's Choice alone.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 06:12:31 (ZULU)

Gents,

Sorry I haven't been jumping in much, things have been busy with getting everything ready to head home, then getting things turned in and dealing with all the bureaucratic nonsense that occurs once all that is finished. Finally got some time to breath, headed home to get my guns to fill the new safe I broke down and purchased... been out chasing chucks and teaching my 3 year old rotty that when Daddy says come he doesn't mean when YOU want... Especially after having to chase her around a neighbors house next to a busy country road. So I resorted to a Shock collar, it took a surprisingly short amount of time for her to realize that Come means NOW or there are consequences... Wouldn't you know it the first time she ever comes immediately when I call her she does 2 thousand dollars or so damage to a Prius that decided to do 60 to 70 down the county road that runs between a couple houses... She got a couple scratches and a free ride as she manage to do 2 complete loops through the air and landed atleast 30 feet from impact( this according to the retired Trooper who watched it) It took almost 100 to 120 yards for the prius to completely stop ( we were lazing things around the house with my new range finder) Drove her to the vet who pronounced her "ok" but watch her for a day or so. Lucky driver, I was more concerned with getting my pup to the doc than expressing my displeasure over his driving habits and attitude... He wasn't happy about the damage his car sustained.

So moral of the story is this... sometimes they listen immediately to what you say... sometimes its not always to the best though.

I guess we are going to start working on STOP so we don't have to worry about her not understanding directions at crucial moments.

Anyways Shock collars work FAST and when in conjunction with treats and praise aren't a bad way to go... just remember not to over do it...

As to the economy... Beans bullets bandaids... guns and silver too... things to maybe have around JUST IN CASE...

Rant off

Morgue back to lurking...

EDITED TO ADD

I just talked to the Deputy who responded and who is writing it up and the driver claims 40 MPH, The deputy wants to know what the vet bills are when we hear from the Vet, get this because he wants it in the report in case things go to CIVIL litigation... Thats right it sounds like the A$$hat can fly through the neighborhood (4 or so houses) hit my dog, then sue me to get the money to fix HIS car...

Of course I have reprimanded my puppy... I told her to quite trying to bring a prius' home... I don't need a pile of tin that bad... :D

Mourge
SD, Ca, - Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 06:46:40 (ZULU)

morgue: That's a durable dog.

SSG Mac: Any long-time reader of this board knows not to take anything I say too seriously. My personal prospects are gloomy. It colors my judgement.

Speaking of laying in a supply of beans, do any of you gentlemen know of a single inexpensive food for humans?

CDC'
Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 10:16:20 (ZULU)

Morgue,

I'd got with "DOWN", rather than, "Stop". When you make 'em go belly down, they tend to understand better that it's time to lock it up and await orders.

When teaching a dog "DOWN", NEVER scratch their belly. It seems to make them think every time you give that command, it's time to play, roll over, and smear muddy paws on your pants. That's a damn hard habit to break.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 10:39:46 (ZULU)

"I just talked to the Deputy who responded and who is writing it up and the driver claims 40 MPH, The deputy wants to know what the vet bills are when we hear from the Vet, get this because he wants it in the report in case things go to CIVIL litigation... Thats right it sounds like the A$$hat can fly through the neighborhood (4 or so houses) hit my dog, then sue me to get the money to fix HIS car..."

Mourge: Here's an idear -- get with that Deputy and Judge. Arrange for one of those speed trailer thingies that measure and display your speed when you're passsing through that neighborhood - however - have the judge also order the "driver" of that prius to wear the shock collar when driving... and of course -- have the radar trailer trigger the shock collar when the set speed is exceeded.... :))

Take care all,

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 13:33:58 (ZULU)

Trav,

Yeah she does down and sit pretty good but they are in the same boat come used to be... only when she is close and she knows theres something in it for her... So i am going to have to work on it with a little reminder from the collar that when I say Down, sit, or wait that I am actually serious.

The biggest issue is that she was pampered while I was gone and she got used to being able to do things in her own time. My X of course SAYS that she never had a problem getting her to obey but I know what type of crock that is. Now I get to reverse everything and train her to obey when I want her too.

I just never expected that my training her to respond when I say it would put her INTO traffic. I mean heck the whole reason I went to the collar to train her was so that she would respond NOW and stay out of traffic...

This morning she seems a little sore but other than that she seems ok, time will tell but I think her hard head actually saved her.

Ken, I think that would be a great idea, getting it into fruition would be near impossible out here on the west coast. If it had been a kid that was hit they could have downloaded his speed from the tatal tail chip in the car but they won't bother with it being a dog. Especially one that just got a couple lumps and bumps.

I was asking questions a few months ago about 338-06 cause I was interested in projecting one... I decided that if I am going to be able to pick up a big bore at a decent price its now or never so most of my projects got pushed back again. On the bright side I will have a Big bore in the near future...

Mourge
SD, Ca, - Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 14:04:44 (ZULU)

Morgue,

Glad she's doing O.K. Maybe that double flip will keep her off the road. Several years back my Alaskan Malamute got clipped by the UPS truck. Fortunately he was only bruised. From that day until the day he died the sound of that truck would make him head for the breezeway at a dead run. He also stayed off the road.

Cheers & welcome home,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The balmy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 17:05:22 (ZULU)

Mourge,

If your not doing so already,you could also try training in German.Alot of Rott owners train in thier dogs in German AND English.German is a more gutteral language so the commands when spoken sound harsher.Reeinforceing the idea it needs to be done,Now!!....Plus it gives you the added benefit of having control over the dog when theres alot of people around who dont know what your telling the dog.Unless of course they understand German too.Rotties are pretty smart and I had no problems training my own in 2 languages.He did very well with it.It didnt take very long for him to adjust too the German commands,either.

UnPat

UnPat
Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 19:11:08 (ZULU)

Welcome back Mourge. If you're interested in shooting a two day tac rifle match near Sacramento let me know. I think we still have one or two spots open for active military (I'd have to check with the match director but I'm pretty sure there's at least one open). Those spots are sponsored by the club so the 165.00 entry fee would be zero for you. Just show up and shoot. It's the last weekend of August and the prize table is impressive. Last year every shooter got to go up twice.

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area , CA, - Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 20:13:17 (ZULU)

Rod: I did the same with my scopes---made a HUGE difference! I also thought I was a quarter-turn away from having the eye piece drop off in my hand---so many turns to actually notice any focal changes! If you still cannot tell if it changed focus: keep turning:)) I was amazed at how far "out" I had to come to get a noticable crispness into the 'hairs. I did this at Bobby's; one day my 300 yd group looked like a shotgun blast, the next, like a group we can workie with:)) Upon return home--all scopes got tuned accordingly.

Geoff M mentioned that he did not notice any differences in the focus of the reticle, either. i think the "tweak" was slight in real terms---but a major one in my eyes.

Joe M
Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 21:56:46 (ZULU)

Mourge,

When I have a dog that has problems with distance, I use a lightweight rope about 25 yards or so long. Just light enough that it doesn't drag much. Works pretty good for "Come". YMMV. Never had the extra dough for a shock collar. Hell, I STILL don't have a Chronograph!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, May 26, 2008, at 01:59:47 (ZULU)

Greetings,

Mourge: Welcome back. Glad the pooch is ok.

CDC: Long grain white rice shelf life is just about forever when stored properly and you can get a 50 lb bag for around 20-25 bucks.

Pat II
Monday, May 26, 2008, at 06:07:30 (ZULU)

Memorial Day....

God bless our Armed Service Men and Women, past, present and future.

Live free or die.

God Bless America.

Cheers

George Daly
Dickson, Tn., USof A - Monday, May 26, 2008, at 06:16:24 (ZULU)

Rod..............

"NOTE: To protect the integrity of the waterproof seal of every Leupold Golden Ring scope, an internal mechanism prevents the eyepiece from coming off the scope."

However, if you purchase a Premier-boosted Loopy the eyepiece WILL come off. I know this to be true (I was setting one up per Master Lito's instruction book) and Premier will tell you that if you ask them. Too late once the damn thing comes off and you are laying there with the friggin eyepiece in your hand cussing like an unpaid prostitute.

Time to wax on wax off the trucks, Bolt out!

Bolt
Happy Memorial Day in ...., NC, - Monday, May 26, 2008, at 12:25:08 (ZULU)

For anyone that's been fucked with by TSA.... click.

Travis Morgan
Monday, May 26, 2008, at 15:51:24 (ZULU)

TSA screeners:

Spear carriers in the government mandated airport security stage play. 100's of millions spent hardening against the *last* threat, placebo security.

Tom Clancy had "Debt of Honor" published in 1994. "... The ending also has coincidental parallels with the September 11, 2001 attacks, although the disaster is not caused by hijackers. An embittered Japan Air Lines pilot whose son was killed during the Pacific conflict flies his Boeing 747 directly into the U.S. Capitol building during the State of the Union with President Durling attending."

I read that before publishing "DOH", Tom discussed this plot element with the US Secret Service. Apparently their eyes got really big when they realized the implications. I guess the threat budget couldn't cover combat air patrols around DC until after 2001 :-(

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 00:47:03 (ZULU)

CDC': Jasmine rice is best, you can find it at most local Asian grocery stores (yes, there is a difference between rices. ~7,000 varieties on earth). A rice cooker is critical for making it consistently. This is based on having lived with a Thai woman for a number of years.

JoeM: Quantum black holes sucking up the earth? These are the same folks that thought the atomic bomb would ignite the atmosphere.

I just returned from Detroit, having buried a close cousin. He was 49, had a heart attack. Left behind a 16-year old daughter and his second wife, of 9-weeks. Sometimes it's hard to reconcile the fact a good man goes too soon, while some pricks and assholes just seem to hang around forever.

Whatever it is you do, make it count.

Duman
Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 03:08:21 (ZULU)

Physics country:

Manhattan Project, Trinity test of first atomic bomb - would an atomic bomb light up the atmosphere?

http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=48;t=000556;p=1

quote:

"IIRC, Teller (who was already thinking of fusion devices) came up with the possibility that the fission reaction would initiate a fusion reaction in Nitrogen present in the air. If this reaction were self-sustaining, it could 'ignite' the atmosphere. Note that they meant a fusion reaction, not a chemical reacion...N2+x02->2NOx is an endothermic reaction and cannot be self-sustaning. They refer to an N+N->Si reaction. I believe Konopinski disproved the idea before the Trinity test. In any case, in 1946 Konopinski, Teller, and Marvin published LA-602 "Ignition of the Atmosphere with Nuclear Bombs", which showed that the radiative losses exceeded the energy production."

Tech. Report No. LA-602

Title Ignition of the atmosphere with nuclear bombs

Author Konopinski, Emil Jan, 1911- Marvin, C. Teller, Edward, 1908-

Physical Descr. 20 p.

Terms Gov. Use Reviewed

Declassified LANL Classification Group Approved for public release: 02 Aug 1985

Other Author Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory

http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/docs1/00329010.pdf

Declassified only 39 years after it was published, not bad.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 03:53:52 (ZULU)

re: survival cooking

http://www.kurtsaxon.com/foods005.htm

SAVING MONEY WITH A THERMOS BOTTLE

(minimal energy bulk-packaged rice and wheat cooking)

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 04:47:25 (ZULU)

its been 2 days since she took on the Prius and she is going up and down stairs on her own. She is probably about 70- 80%. She slept a lot today and wasn't her usual self but I bet in a few days she will be back to chasing the racket ball and running around. I have a whole new respect for Rotts and I am pretty much sold on the breed now.

On food storage- has anyone tried using those new vacuumed seal crush bags for food? I was talking to a buddy and we both think its plausible that one could put flour, rice, sugar, beans, etc in them( separate of course) and then suck it down. Purge it out with nitrogen to kill any weavels that are in it and suck it down again. Repeat until satisfied.

Does anyone see a problem with this or should it work without a hitch? inquiring minds want to know LOL

Mourge
SD, Ca, - Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 07:49:22 (ZULU)

Mourge...

Microwave it to kill weevils and other critters - 30 seconds will do them all with room to spare.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 09:30:12 (ZULU)

You guys amaze me.

CDC'
Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 11:14:26 (ZULU)

Mourge

If your talking about the Food Saver, they are the cats meow. We've had one for about 3 yrs. now. DON'T buy the cheap model, get the top of the line model. Bags are a little pricey, but can be re-used if they havn't been used to store meat.

Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 11:57:58 (ZULU)

Gary,

Foodsaver appears to offer a variety of top models. Which one do you recommend and WHY?

medicjim
Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 16:40:56 (ZULU)

MedicJim: I chose the one "on sale" and it has lived up to the hype (it has a hose connection for non-standard vacuum sealing too). The wife started driving for a bulk-foods delivery outfit (institutional/ commercial) and she gets great deals on all mkinds of chow. Last week, I broke down 50 lbs of ground beef (yes, that is a shitload) into 2lb vacuum sealed bags---the plastic stock I have is tougher than the shell of my pop-up pool:))

The doc says "Well, your ankle has several anomalies, perhaps from an older injury(s)--we need to refer you to a ortho for a bone scan." This would be the ankle that was denied claims thru the VA. Maybe this trip thru the household furniture might be the basis for an appeal:)) Always look at the bright side of life (ta-dum, ta-dum-de-dum-de-dum)

The bad news is the ortho clinic has a waiting list til next week:(( I will be healed by then...

Also: got your data on the .260! Thanks!

Joe M
Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 17:35:23 (ZULU)

Back before Y2K, I used 15-gal. metal drums (they were originally used to ship creatine powder), washed them thorougly, and filled them with whatever. Then, a couple of dessicant pouches, and sealed them with the cantilever band around the top. Stayed good for a long, long time. I'm still using rice and beans out of the last of them.

Soybeans, rice, wheat and beans. Couple full of salt and sugar. Coffee, I think, will be short if things go really south.

When you get tired of rice and beans, switch over to beans and rice for a little variety. I lived on rice and beans, with some oatmeal, for a while in Arizona. Didn't hurt me any, and it was cheap.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 20:30:03 (ZULU)

Here's the main page for some more info on survivalism:

http://www.survivalplus.com/

Duman
Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 23:24:01 (ZULU)

Some guy blogged his experience eating "Purina Primate Chow". Google isn't finding that product for me. When the hurricane hit Burma, our navy responded with the usual. One item that was new to me was, "High Energy" something. I think they said "biscits". Do any of you gentlemen know anything about those rations?

Side note: Many, many moons ago, some school teacher told us about the benefits of the traditional Mexican diet. Pinto beans combine with corn to form complete protein. Chile (nod to Bruce on the spelling) contains vitamin C which eliminates scurvy. That is the teacher's story. Sometimes they are wrong. Any comments?

CDC'
Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 04:33:34 (ZULU)

CDC,

Don't know about "Purina Primate Chow" but Zupreem makes the best Primate biscuits, "Monkey Biscuits". Try www.arcatapet.com (click)

Alot of folks feed them to their parrots. They're dried and must be soaked in water before use, kinda hard.

Out of curiosity I tried one and it wasn't that bad, kinda bland. I was curious because my Rhesus Macaque is spoiled and won't eat them, (loves Chicken McNuggets and fries with a diet coke), but my little Blackcap Squirrel Monkey loves them.

I could see someone surviving on them. They have all the vitamins and nutrients any "Primate" could need.

Cheers

George Daly
Dickson, Tn., USof A - Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 06:16:25 (ZULU)

"Placebo security", gotta love that one!

Mourge,

Weevils, etc. need air to breathe. Thus, they will not survive in a vaccuum. We've been using the ziploc vaccuum bags, and the work GREAT. Well worth the price, since my wife freezer burns EVERYTHING she puts in the freezer.

George,

Did you mention that, just so we'd ask to look at "Macaque"?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 07:24:34 (ZULU)

"The Empire strikes Barack" I HATE Star Wars, and I think this is funny as hell! CLICK>

Travis Morgan
Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 07:38:24 (ZULU)

Guys,

To all offended by my post the other day about the sexual antics, I apologise. I'm the world's biggest 12 year old.

Was looking around today, and found a Browning A-bolt in .338 Win. Mag. for $465 with some kinda simmons variable mounted, and a synthetic sporter stock. No BOSS. Is this as good of a deal as I think it is?

I don't know much about the scope. It's a simmons, and has a buttload of markings on both ends and the elevation knob for various distances, and a kind of odd fine crosshair reticle with a second, finer crosshair above the horizontal one.

I dunno WTF I'd use a .338 Winchester Magnum on around here, especially since I go in for spinal laminectomy tomorrow, at 5 a.m..(All prayers appreciated) But I plan on going to Alaska at some point, and the biggest stick I have right now is a large ring 98 Mauser sporter in .30-06. I'd considered a .45-70 lever gun for that, but I really think it's better as a guide gun or camp gun.(The .45-70) I guess, if I buy it, I can start lobbying for my gun club to go ahead and buy the other property they were considering, where we would be able to shoot over 1,000 yards. ;0P

If the wife notices I bought it, I'll just call it my "recovery present". Buying 4 guns in one year, while I'm disabled and outta work, I better think of something!

Any thoughts? Opinions on the rifle or cartridge? Anyone know anything about the scope?

Rural living country:

We've had a shitload of rain here, recently. I knew this new pasture I'd put the horses in was prone to flooding, but out of 10 acres, we have MAYBE a tenth of an acre above water. Apparently, that's the worst anyone I've talked to has seen it.

It wasn't that bad when I went down there last night, as I was able to get where I needed to go in 2 wheel drive, but I guess we got hit with a BUNCH of runoff overnight after it stopped raining. Thank God I'd already put Bud down. I'd have really felt like shit if he'd have drowned.

Today, when my wife and I went down to move my other horse, it was so deep, I just stripped down to the ole skivvies, Nikes, and gunbelt(snakes) to wade in and get her. She and the other horses on the property were standing on a hay pile in the middle of acres of crotch deep water.

The wife thought it was kinda funny, seeing my pale, fat, bulbous ass march off into the water in that outfit. Since the trailer I normally borrow was underwater, I had to ride my horse a few miles to a neighbor's place, who's putting her up for me. I told her, after we'd gone a mile, "See? When we got married, you shoulda known you'd end up spending the evening staring at a horse's ass!" Maybe now, she'll realise WHY I need a bigger truck and a stock trailer.

For a city girl, she's really starting to come around. We've been together 6 years, and married 3, but I think we just might make it!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 09:31:13 (ZULU)

Medic Jim

We have the VAC 540. Wife says we've had it for 5 yrs. now. We had a cheaper model but it wouldn't handle bagging up 40 or 50 lbs. of meat in one setting. The unit would heat up and not seal properly, so we went with the 120.00 unit at that time'. Havn't had any problems at all with this one.

Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 13:15:02 (ZULU)

Travis: Get rid of the simmons variable. It will fail, probably after you spend the money on the Alaska hunt and at the worst possible time. Stick a fixed 4x scope on it and treat it like ya stole it.

Joe M
Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 13:37:36 (ZULU)

Joe,

If I used it at all, it'd just be for matches. I'm pretty much gonna have to re-laern to shoot after I've recovered from surgery. With all my back problems, my shooting, even with handguns, has gone completely to shit. I might have to become a shotgun snob, if I can't relearn to shoot.

For hunting, though, everything else I've tried just makes me want to go back to my Lyman All American 6X. That damn thing came with the Mauser, and has never leaked, or fogged on me, except when I exhale on it before mounting my rifle.(A habit I got into shooting iron sights.) I only gave $200 for the package, and the rifle already had a match trigger installed. The scope, by itself was going for $200 on fleabay at the time.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., The SWAMP! - Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 14:07:54 (ZULU)

Travis: "If the wife notices I bought it, I'll just call it my "recovery present". " Why not disguise it as a crutch? Though I don't know how you would explain a scope on a pair of crutches....

CDC': I would assume that a Chile, being a fruit of sorts, would contain vitamin-C. I wonder if someone has a reference to relative concentrations of vitamins amongst various fruits and vegetables.

George: Well, you've done it. I thought I'd read nearly everything on this site, but you've plowed new ground. A monkey that likes nuggets, fries, and cola? LOL!

Where's Bravo?

Duman
Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 16:02:16 (ZULU)

Duman wrote:

"I wonder if someone has a reference to relative concentrations of vitamins amongst various fruits and vegetables."

I have a book from my father (now retired food chemist) with such things, but getting it into a machine-readable format is another matter. Publication compiled by Heinz in the late 1950's. Which items were of specific interest? I suspect red and green peppers have vitamin C, which is the one that prevents scurvy (ascorbic acid).

There is probably a similar resource on the Internet, but I'm not going to look for it right now.

vaguely recall a past reference to Purina Monkey Chow, don't know if it is still sold under the same name today. Suspect if you Googled to Purina's site and looked at products you would probably find out.

Hadn't occured to me to use that as a survival ration, but it makes perfect sense. Should be a much better and pleasant choice than dog or cat food :-( I had wondered how dogs and cats could stand dog or cat food. Part of the answer is probably because they have fewer taste buds than humans.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 16:49:03 (ZULU)

Link to the story of our NG NCO being persecuted by the "convenience store" named' alphabet agency. This could happen to any semi-auto owner, which is the point of my posting it. Not a damn thing you can do--it is just bad luck. test fire? All ammo types (slamfires seems to be what he lead agent was trying for in the evidence testing)? Fine today, worn seer tomorrow? Anyone ever had an auto "double" for any reason? Yeah...here's your docket number and public defender...

Oddly, Geoff and i may know this guy thru separate contacts. In my recruiting company days, we 'borrowed' drill sergeants from this unit (split between a Milwaukee armory and a madison armory). We had them come up and teach the pre-basic tasks to our DEP pool (delayed entry kids with no true affiliation yet). The goal was to de-fang basic by showing a human being, a neighbor, who would be in charge (it worked out OK too). An Olofson was one of our guest instructors at one point. Geoff's interaction was far more brief, but could also add an element to the story that could make it scarier still---I'll let him explain, since it is a third hand possibility--but it could add another ammendment, the first, thrown under the bus for this guy.

In all, this story reeks of soviet-era fun and games. It also makes me wonder about the "first, they came for (xxxxx), and I did nothing..." aspect of allowing shit to happen.

MedicJim: foodsaver V2830. It made the cut by being under my nose at a discount. It does high volume packaging OK, and that hose attachment is a nice cheat for short-term canning too.

Freezerburn: When I was packing fish on near-industrial scale up in Alaska, I (accidentally) discovered that rinsing well, and then wrapping overly wet, seemed to cut down on this. The dry packed meat would eventually burn, while the wet-packed meats would keep forever. I would also double-wrap with waxpaper and then two such packs go into either a 1 ga or 2 ga partially evacuated ziplock bag. YMMV, but I had great results. I only paid for meat when I jonesed for a beef steak up there:)) Ya know, i was planning on retiring up there:(( I was not planning on changing diapers during my transitional leave though...ha! School over cool. Tis life.

Travis: 338WM is a heavy hitter up close, but not such a great choice for LR stuff IMHO. Tis why I recommended a 4x fixed scope; it is more than you need for the big ol' animals in alaska while giving enough FOV to handle up-close fast-ass reflex shots (ie, charging bears or angry moose). For LR, a 300WM is a better choice, though you do pay a price in recoil or back blast from the dreaded brakes. This whole discussion reminds me why i like the .260 rem; it has the ability to get out there accurately while being mild on the shoulder and ears. FWIW, my hotrod hammer is a 300WM Sako--it is unbraked (prefer it this way) and is about all I can take without developing a flinch. It has dropped everything I pointed it at--including my Alaska hunts. Heheh, but it did decapitate a doe on my back forty. Lite bullets (150s) were NOT the way to go to reduce anything:)) Heavy and hard is way better than lite fast and explosive:(( No neck roast that day!

Speaking of scopes: Anyone try out the burris xtreme line yet? I am waiting for one now for the second Howa .308. If any of youz bums ever show up during a season, the howa is for you (unless you travel with yer own or wanna carry a heavy barrel around). That is assuming that the new one shoots like the old, too. That first one is accurate.

Joe M
Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 16:58:34 (ZULU)

Purina Monkey food- most of the animal feeds I've seen are too laden with fat to put up for long durations... the dry biscuits that George mentioned may work.

Vitamin C - I found the easiest way to ensure a good supply of vit C is through tomatoes... easy to grow and can in the form of paste or stewed. Seed stocks are a PITA to maintain year to year....when things go in the dumpster, you need to be able to maintain your own seeds through the winter....I haven't got this mastered yet. Most everything easily available is hybrid...that doesn't work for year #2.

Food stores - I took inventory of what we used on a monthly basis that wasn't perishable and simply buy that in bulk and store it in the basement...every three months or so, I make a trip to the store and replenish whatever the wife has consumed. We live on a tight weekly grocery budget but a generous 'bulk purchase' budget...it makes for a very easy maintenance program and we are GTG for about a year of normal living. I would simply need to kill something to replace the beef, chicken, fish and eggs we consume (that I don't stockpile and should).... and bake bread instead of buying it. The SWAT cop up the street has chickens and I'm planning to massively expand the victory garden next year...barter still works.

Joe / Gary - thanks for the info on the foodsaver... something I have to try out.

Rod - I've been reconstituting food in a small plastic nalgene container slipped in a beer cozy when backpacking / or doing sustained rescue (I loathe MREs).... that thermos cooking idea is the same concept on a family scale...good stuff!

Long Range rifle - I recently switched to a 7WSM in a Win70, with the HS precision Stealth stock. I had GAP mount a light #5 or 5.5 taper bbl with the Badger FTE brake. I shot it one day off the bench and was stunned when my #7 taper .260 in a McM stock recoiled dramatically harder than full house WSM loads... that damn brake is astounding.

medicjim
Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 18:09:39 (ZULU)

Rod,

You ever seen a dog or cat lick their own ass, or eat shit? That pretty much explains how they can eat dog or cat chow.

Joe,

I guess I'm gonna pass on the .338. Don't need it, and I think I'm getting the use of 20 acres of good grass for free, which will cost me a few hundred dollars I ain't got to fence it in. I guess I'll just fence as much as I can, a little at a time.

Never shot a 260. At Gander mountain, I saw they have a .264 magnum for sale. Damn thing weighs more than two rifles ought to, and has a barrel about as thick as my, well, ....it's a damn heavy barrel. I want my next rifle to be either a Model 70 or 700 in .308, nut I can never seem to find one on the used gun racks. I've got this odd feeling that the first one I see, I'll end up paying way more than I ought to. I still haven't ruled out the tactical package from Savage, but I ain't exactly got $1700. (plus tax!)

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., The SWAMP! - Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 20:07:28 (ZULU)

Travis, just buy a Rem SPS tactical in .308 (approx $550) and slap an HS precision take off stock on it and your set.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/42070

medicjim
Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 21:22:44 (ZULU)

Jim,

After buying that:

rifle $550

Bipod $150?

Scope $950?

Bases and rings $100?

Total........$1,700-$2,000

I may as well just go with their package, dontcha think? That stock will set me back, what? Another $200?

Don't matter, anyway. After looking at today's mail, I probably won't have any spare cash for a while. Maybe my wife's right; I might just have to sign up for that damn disability, just to pay bills. I think I'll try selling some toys, first.

Anyone need some 255 grain hard cast, water dropped Keith bullets? I've even got some gen yoo wine, authentic cowboy socks. $1 each, 50 cents extra for the ones with holes!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., The SWAMP! - Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 21:47:05 (ZULU)

Joe, I am not positive, but I am fairly sure it was that Olofson character that I met. I was going to purchase something AR related, a floated handguard I think it was, from him. We talked briefly and definitely had different opinions. I don't remember the particulars anymore, the one thing that stuck with me was something about municipalities actually being "corporations" and thus their laws do not apply to anyone who is not a member of that "corporation", or something along those lines.

The philosophy that I have, and that I share with the guys I train with is that you are better off staying away from all that militia crap. We believe the best way to handle ourselves in accordance with our beliefs, is to be well prepared, well trained, productive, and upstanding citizens.....who are willing to help one another. Thus, we aren't "creepy militia members", we are patriotic people who are practicing good citizenship.

I came away from that meeting thinking "now there is a guy that the feds will pinch, one way or another". I'm not saying that what the feds appear to be doing here is right. Seems to me like they got a semi-auto AR15 to double or go full auto due to a mechanical/wear issue and are treating it like a purposefully modified weapon. If so, they are scum and it's wrong.

Moral: we have a legal system, it's fucked up sometimes, it's abused sometimes, but it is lawful. So follow it, pay your taxes, don't be an idiot and make a lot of waves. When you screw with the feds, you are kind of grabbing a tiger by the tail. If you insist on it, better have a few to several hundred thou saved up and have a team of fantastic expert attorneys with the appropriate connections on speed dial first.

Joe, is the Burris you have coming the one I was in love with until I got to the part about 1/8 min elevation adjustments?

Geoff M
WI, USA - Thursday, May 29, 2008, at 00:32:05 (ZULU)

We just got back from some meaningless school ceremony. The school is operated by an all female staff. The presentation was wave after wave of warm, fuzzy, soft, nurturing and support. I kept expecting to be breast fed.

Travis: I don't want to contradict Joe, but - with the right boolet - a .338 hits hard at long range.

CDC'
Thursday, May 29, 2008, at 05:09:25 (ZULU)

CDC: I wasn't down on the 338 for minute-of-moose at extended range so much as punching paper at a 1000 yds for scores. And, for all my optics, all my shots on game in Alalska were under 400 yards. A possible exception woulda been bighorns had I climbed the right mountain:)) But the valley-dwellers are as likely to emerge from a thicket of alders at close range as they are to present themselves 300 yds across a gravel bank, which is why I was happy with a 2-7x. Travis's reference to LR target shooting and hunting alaska colored my response. I was always thought to be under-gunned up there--338s and 375s were nearly universal choices...that is, proven performers for that task list. I don't think we disagree on the round for hunting all the way out to your personal ethical range; I was just saying there would be better ways to go if you want a hunting/ LR precision stick. I did not offer an opinion on the newer superer ultra'er magnum-magnums--old-dog-new-trick syndrome set in and i couldn't find a problem for those new solutions:)) No experience myself, but there might be something in those for what he wanted.

Of course, the "used rifle rack" is a complex time/ distance equation that skewers our simple math advice, eh?

Geoff: 1/4 minute specs; but the 1-4x has .5 MOA adjustments...and that little piggyback reflex sight package with this scope is a great combo.

Mayhem??? That might be what you are looking for (click)

Joe M
Thursday, May 29, 2008, at 06:27:49 (ZULU)

Olofson Case was screwed from word go.Gooberment used all the dirty lil tricks and then some.Boils down to this...If gun goes bang more times then ya pulled the trigger.Ya just earned a one size fits all jumpsuit and a new roomate.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Thursday, May 29, 2008, at 09:46:56 (ZULU)

Joe M: Sorry for barging in with incomplete info. Next time I'll read more closely.

CDC'
Thursday, May 29, 2008, at 09:56:57 (ZULU)

Medic Jim

I can say of all the small kitchen appliances, that's the best money we ever spent with out a dought.

Gary Kaney
N, ILL, - Thursday, May 29, 2008, at 12:32:42 (ZULU)

Quote of the day:

(not mine)

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=366865

"my 9 year old shoots with me all the time... frankly i have already lined up a lawyer for the time when he gets suspended for talking about going to the range with me... and you bet your ass, ill be on every news program that will interview me..."

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, May 29, 2008, at 16:42:09 (ZULU)

CDC, next time, I'll try to write mo' clearly:))

Joe M
Friday, May 30, 2008, at 02:38:28 (ZULU)

Anyone else slow at work lately? Its been a few weeks here that I have put in a full week of work. Just seems to be the way things are going. We only have about 3500 people on our town. Just wondering if it is like this every where else.

Jon Kujawa
Friday, May 30, 2008, at 03:53:12 (ZULU)

Jon,

I work for a healthcare company in the fortune 50 and see absolutely no sign of slowing in my industry. The competition is intense...if I took a year off, I'd be so outdated that I wouldn't likely have a job.

medicjim
Friday, May 30, 2008, at 12:55:20 (ZULU)

338LM:

Got my own rifle in .338 LM a few weeks ago. I'll get to shoot it maybe later on this year... In the mean-time -- looking for ammo, brass, etc... I have access to Midway and several other outfits via dealer channels....

WTF is up with the prices of .338LM ammo/brass/etc...???? Good gracious.... I thought the world would have enough of those in play so that lots more manufacturers would be running .338LM brass, ammo, etc...

Anyhow does anyone out there have good sources of .338LM ammo, brass, etc.... ???

Take care all,

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Friday, May 30, 2008, at 13:49:55 (ZULU)

Jim,

Really, May be its just in the automotive industry then. People are not getting their cars fixed out of spite for the fuel prices. Went to fill up my ram 2500 last week and a 100 dallars only got me a 1/2 tank.

Jon

Jon Kujawa
Friday, May 30, 2008, at 14:33:46 (ZULU)

Sorry for the long post but just found out about AB 2062 Ammo Registration for California. Any help would be appreciated to shoot this down (no pun intended).

AB 2062 - Ammo Registration -

(3) Commencing July 1, 2009, a vendor shall not sell or

otherwise transfer ownership of any handgun ammunition without

at the time of delivery legibly recording the following information

on a form that is in a format to be prescribed by the department:

(A) The date of the transaction.

(B) The purchaser’s or transferee’s driver’s license or other

identification number and the state in which it was issued.

(D) The purchaser’s or transferee’s signature.

(E) The name of the salesperson who processed the transaction.

(F) The right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee on the above form.

E-Mail Address:

Assemblymember.Berg@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Huffman@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Evans@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Davis@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Jones@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.DeSaulnier@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Ma@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Leno@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Hancock@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Swanson@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Galgiani@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Hayashi@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Mullin@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Torrico@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Ruskin@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Lieber@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Coto@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Beall@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Laird@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Caballero@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Parra@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Arambula@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Nava@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Fuentes@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Levine@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Brownley@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Feuer@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Krekorian@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Portantino@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Nunez@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Bass@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Davis@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Eng@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.DeLaTorre@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Price@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Dymally@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Lieu@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Karnette@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Furutani@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Mendoza@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Hernandez@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Calderon@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Soto@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Carter@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Solorio@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Saldana@assembly.ca.gov; Assemblymember.Salas@assembly.ca.gov

Darren
East Bay, CA, USA - Friday, May 30, 2008, at 14:44:02 (ZULU)

Joe M,

If thats the case where the guy was going to sell an AR to someone and he took it to the range an it went full auto a time or two then there is more to the story than is being told on a lot of sights.

This was a hot topic on one of the other shooting sights I was in and someone actually posted court transcripts of the case. He had altered the trigger and or selector or both. I don't recall it all that clearly because it was a long read but after reading it he is no innocent baby being beat up on by the feds.

As they say there is two sides to the story and the one going around the net does not have the correct facts.

Pat
Friday, May 30, 2008, at 15:33:49 (ZULU)

Pat, didn't want to say anything until you brought it up but I did read an article a while back that stated that he did modify the AR to fire in three round burst and that his selector switch went from safe, semi, to burst and the individual he was selling to was ask not to put it on burst. If my memory serves me right, this is what I remembered.

There are always two sides to a story....

Darren
East Bay, CA, USA - Friday, May 30, 2008, at 15:45:01 (ZULU)

Ken: I saw Lapmag ammo "on sale" for $99 for 20 match; whoa! Hindsight being what it is, I cringe when I recall how easy it used to be to bid on .50 brass at DRMO---back before the internet and centralized auctions. I'm a dumbass---one of my hunting partners in Alaska ran the local yard:))

The local papers here only report "malfunction" as the cause of the multi-fire...in fact, the new owner was shooting it when the "double" occured. It is possible he was dumb enough to transfer a modified weapon, though I rather doubt it. In any case, possession is the usual path for convictions--the fed's would only give up on you if you could help them with a bigger fish--meaning---hey, they were after this guy already. Makes ya wonder...

FWIW, I could go post that he made machine guns for a living illegally. Whoops; I just did. That does not make it true.

Regardless, what is in play here and elsewhere is a concerted effort to intimidate the shooting community by a gov't agency. How many "isolated incidences" makes for a pattern? Ahhh...beating a dead horse. We all know who is and isn't our friends.

Joe M
Friday, May 30, 2008, at 16:22:40 (ZULU)

Ken on .338 LM components:

Good price or good availability?

Hirsch Precision in Halifax is the Canadian Lapua importer. I can query stock status if you're interested.

http://www.hirschprecision.com/

All pricing is in Canadian Dollars Per 100 unless noted

Brass:

4PH8068 .338 Lapua Mag per 100 $ 280.00

Projectiles:

4PL8017 .338 GB488 HPBT Scenar 250gr. $ 70.00

4PL7012 .338 B408 FMJBT Lockbase 250gr. $ 70.00

I don't know his policies on exports, but I could probably intermediate for you if necessary. Don't believe there are issues exporting brass and/or bullets from Canada to the US.

(There *are* US ITAR law issues for such exports from US to Canada, darn it!).

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, May 30, 2008, at 16:58:53 (ZULU)

Update - AB2062 has passed and is now on Arnold's desk. It is understood that he is not seeking reelection so hopefully, out of good conscious, he will veto this bill.

Darren
East Bay, CA, USA - Friday, May 30, 2008, at 17:36:44 (ZULU)

.338 WM- I built one decades ago for an Alaska hunt I never took. The one bright thing I did do was to make sure the rifle with irons weighed 10.5 lbs. With 200 gr factory loads it's a joy to shoot, with 250 gr handloads it pushes a mite-with no recoil pad. I figured that when pointed a a Kodiak brownie, it'd feel about like a BB gun.

The only time it caused me pain was benching it to sight in. Had a stiff neck for a couple days afterward. Still have a partial box of factory 300 gr softpoints.

WR Moore
Friday, May 30, 2008, at 19:32:32 (ZULU)

re: sighting in heavy recoiling rifles

The Brit's used a standing bench for sighting in heavy recoiling rifles. Smart idea.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, May 30, 2008, at 23:34:29 (ZULU)

More spitting in the faces of the people that are trying to protect there inconsiderate asses. (Click name)

The Flag still at half mast from the services of a fallen officer just days before..... frikkin heartless animals.

Libs just burn me up.

At the same rally....

75,000 people they say turned out for Stalin..... I mean obama.... yeah right. The press doesn’t mention, Anywhere, about the free concert by one of the Libs favorite Oregon bands that played.

Oh yeah the band..... The decemberist .... total commie band. No, not just Libs, real commies....

They sing about how this country sucks etc.They open with the Soviet national anthem and all there music has communist-inspired lyrics.

They get there name from the 1825 Russian liberal uprising and revolt.

In December of 1825 in St. Petersburg, Russia, a group of military officials staged a revolt against Tsar Nicholas I. These rebels were liberals who felt threatened by the new ruler’s conservative views. They were, however, defeated by the tsar’s forces. As a result of this revolt, Nicholas I implemented a variety of new regulations to prevent the spread of the liberal movement in Russia.

Everything an up and coming presidential candidate for this country would want to project.

And I thought Hitlery was going to be bad.

Jim in az.
AZ. , You cant win the hearts and minds of the heartless and mindless. - Saturday, May 31, 2008, at 00:06:44 (ZULU)

.338 recoil isn't bad if you use sorbothane recoil and cheek pads. Brownell's sells them.

CDC'
Saturday, May 31, 2008, at 13:34:27 (ZULU)

I wonder why the police in Oregon didn't have the porta-potty removed?

medicjim
Saturday, May 31, 2008, at 13:43:00 (ZULU)

re: recoil protection

+1 on sorbothane. Great stuff. Get the low durometer number variant if you have a choice. I got 40 OO.

Oct/2007 tried to purchase some from McMaster-Carr, shipped to me in Canada. No joy.

This is what happened when I tried to order sorbothane directly from them:

"Thank you for your order. Unfortunately, due to the ever increasing complexity of United States export regulations, McMaster-Carr can only process orders from a few long-established customers in Canada. We sincerely regret any inconvenience this causes you."

The bureaucrats are winning :-(

Plan B legally solved the above...

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, May 31, 2008, at 13:46:28 (ZULU)

Rod: I got that same advice here a few years back when I built the deer slayer II (870, rifled-cantilever barrel, aimpoint) and sighted in at 100yds with hornady SST slugs. My shoulder had just been wired back together, and the standing option workie well.

Why wait for Obama to head the politboro? The Dems are trying to nationalize hurricane insurance right now:)) Maxine wants to nationalize the oil companies--though she is a moonbat from hell. These fucks are emboldened right now on many fronts, though. It could be that in their joyous anticipation of an easy victory, they will tip their hand too far...most Americans, I beleieve, do not want socialism in all its glory. They want a fair shake, but not gimmes.

That's my hope, at any rate.

Joe M
Saturday, May 31, 2008, at 14:39:07 (ZULU)

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