2.2 kliks (2,500 yds) in VN by Carlos Hathcock... he shot at a group of VC that went to get water every morning.  HE shot at them every morning for a few weeks, and finely rolled one.  He later admittted it was luck.  It was with a 50BMG.

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 00:25:13 (ZULU)

Helmut Kohl of Germany was in Israel, and the Israelis brought out a huge tray of locally-grown produce to demonstrate how they had made the desert bloom. Tomatoes, cauliflower, asparagus, etc. Beautiful stuff.

What did H. Kohl select from the tray to sample?

A fresh red chile the size of his index finger, and proceeded to bite off half of it and start chewing.

I missed about half of the subsequent close-ups and commentary, haven't laughed so hard in years.

Sorry, guys, I know this ain't Chile Country, but too many of you would appreciate that to let it go. Watch for a re-run tonight, maybe.

Wiping away more tears than Helmut Kohl,

Bruce N. Robinson <bnrobins@flash.net>
Los Lunas, Chihuahua Norte, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 00:33:24 (ZULU)

I know this isn't "Chili Country" but I know that where you live you're definitely in chili country. I've bought more chilis in N.M (that had just been roasted) than I care to try to remember. They're great for making chili rellenos.

I didn't get in until late, so I didn't get to see Fox Report. I'm wondering what the BTU rating is on those Israeli peppers :D

Seriously, from a medical point of view, if a person, say a child, bit into a blazing hot pepper, the first thing that becomes compromised is his ability to breathe. Immediately, cut a raw potato into a scallop the size of his mouth (roughly) and about a 1/4-1/2" thick and make him suck on it and it'll remove the sting from the pepper. Learned that one from an elderly Hispanic gentleman here.

Jim:

Betcha didn't know that one ;)

Mark W (Jalapeno)

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Jalapeno Country, Texas, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 01:16:02 (ZULU)

When neck sizing brass, how much of the neck needs to be sized?  All of it to the shoulder, half, one third???

How much jump from the case to the lands when loading 175 SMKs, if magazine length is no concern? I have a load that preforms well with an OAL of 2.80, and obviously no magazine issues, just wondering. Thanks guys

Dennis Muldrew <dmuldrew@swbell.net>
OP, KS, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 01:28:42 (ZULU)

Yo's in BIG trouble Dudeski.

Spellin' chille as chilli will get you a dozen 175SMK's by airmail, from Bruce Robinson, our o-fish-ull keeper of the light (in all matters regarding chille)!.

I know of what I speak!

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 02:12:17 (ZULU)

-----------------------------------------------------------

Subject: HERE'S TO ANN MARGARET

Neat story which is just a bit different from those of Jane Fonda.

Richard, (my husband), never really talked a lot about his time in

Vietnam other than he had been shot by a sniper. However, he had a rather grainy, 8x10 black & white photo he had taken at a USO show of Ann Margaret with Bob Hope in the background that was one of his treasures.

A few years ago, Ann Margaret was doing a book signing at a local

bookstore. Richard wanted to see if he could get her to sign the

treasured photo so he arrived at the bookstore at 12 o'clock for the 7:30 signing.

When I got there after work, the line went all the way around the

bookstore,circled the parking lot,and disappeared behind a parking

garage.. Before her appearance, bookstore employees announced that she would sign only her book and no memorabilia would be permitted. Richard was disappointed, but wanted to show her the photo and let her know how much those shows meant to lonely GI's so far from home.

Ann Margaret came out looking as beautiful as ever and, as 2nd in

line,it was soon Richard's turn. He presented the book for her signature and then took out the photo. When he did, there were many shouts from the employees that she would not sign it.

Richard said, "I understand. I just wanted her to see it."She took

one look at the photo, tears welled up in her eyes and she said, "This is one of my gentlemen from Viet Nam and I most certainly will sign his photo. I know what these men did for their country and I always have time for "my gentlemen". With that, she pulled Richard across the table and planted a big kiss on him. She then made quite a to do about the bravery of the young men she met over the years, how much she admired them,and how much she appreciated them. There weren't too many dry eyes among those close enough to hear. She then posed for pictures and acted as if he was the only one there.

Later at dinner, Richard was very quiet. When I asked if he'd like

to talk about it, my big strong husband broke down in tears. "That's the first time anyone ever thanked me for my time in the Army," he said.

Richard, like many others, came home to people who spit on him and

shouted ugly things at him. That night was a turning point for him. He walked a little straighter and, for the first time in years, was proud to have been a Vet.

I'll never forget Ann Margaret for her graciousness and how much

that small act of kindness meant to my husband. I now make it a point to say Thank You to every person I come across who served in our Armed Forces. Freedom does not come cheap and I am grateful for all those who have served their country.

AUTHOR UNKNOWN

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Jalapeno Country, Texas, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 02:18:35 (ZULU)

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 02:22:10 (ZULU)

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 02:24:50 (ZULU)

          LITO ;

             APPARENTLY OUR MR HATHCOCK HAS A PROTEGE!!!

             THERE A LOT OF FOCUSED YOUNG LADS OUT THERE.

             I'II HAVE TO DIG ALITTLE MORE FOR "W5"

                                    macgregor  

MACGREGOR <brownc@kos.net>
BATTERSEA, ONTARIO, CANADA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 02:43:47 (ZULU)

I think I just heard them whistle by. HE missed! Well, what can you expect from New Mexico to Texas.

Where's the *^@#$%^$%^spell$#%&%$#$checker*%^$&%*%$when you need it. Oh well, chilli, chille...tomatoe, tom ah toe. Chilles will get your attention no matter how you spell them :-)

Surely someone out there has a B&L Tactical they want to get rid of...maybe a MkIV M3 6X?

Sarge:

Are you going to make the "F" class match at Raton come Sept.? Contact me offline if you are. I LOVE the Whittington Center and Raton. Home away from home........

Mark W

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Jalapeno Country, Texas, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 02:59:32 (ZULU)

Robert French <rdftdf@inetone.net>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 03:05:40 (ZULU)

La-POO-ah

-

MacGregor...

>"THERE A LOT OF FOCUSED YOUNG LADS OUT THERE"<

From Canadia??? Yo' gotta be kiddin!

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 03:29:16 (ZULU)

Sarge - the "Other New Mexican"

Sarge <sarge@snipercountry.com>
Southern Area 51, NM, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 03:38:44 (ZULU)

No Prob....exchanged some nice emails with Mark. Got a great story from him.

He is, after all, in Baja Oklahoma, so his spelling is to be forgiven.

Only reason I got lito's attention was sending him Dixon Red!

Hell, most of the people in the US can't even find NM on a map, much less spell chile.

175's missed due to fierce NM springtime wind, NOT (as Ken would have you believe) due to the 20" bbl.

Y'all take care, and hurry up and pay for those raffle tickets so George can send me my new stick!

Bruce N. Robinson <bnrobins@flash.net>
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 04:01:45 (ZULU)

whoooooo dawgy... picked up and processed a butt load of mail and payments today. We're at:  171 tix paid, 92 unpaid...

We're heading there fast folks...

thanks for getting on top of this hawgs,

Ken :)

Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice and cool, Northern Va., USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 04:02:03 (ZULU)

Of course, I expect to win the raffle ...

William M. <elmerfudd3000@yahoo.com>
Birmingham, AL, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 04:10:57 (ZULU)

If'n ya win, maybe George can cut it down to 20", and then thread the barrel and the "Bobbet" section, that you'll have lopped off, so when you come to your senses you can screw it back on. Just keep it in a glass out back till ya need it.... ;)) (away from the chili plants)

FatBoy...

Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 04:12:01 (ZULU)

Sarge - the "Other New Mexican"<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Ahh, you did it too Sarge...it's CHILES. LOL.I've had some four alarm chili/w jalapenos that sure was (burp) 100% effective. OUT-GOING!!!

That's a nasty thought though....being carpet-bombed by chili (the meat stuff). A few Pork-Fuel Air bombs over Afghanistan would make the whole country unholy...right?

Mark W

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Chili and Jalapenos (but no beans please...makes for a DEADLY GAS), Texas, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 04:24:03 (ZULU)

Litosan'........Tabasco, they have been out of business for a long time, they just didn't know it.....;)

Tom S, I found the Nosler J4's to not be as good as quality in mfgr as Sierra's( IMHO).....I was truly surprised.....the jacket  is VERY soft, and the heels seemed to be knicked, or dented even packaged in 250 count boxes.Dented heels are a NO NO......:(

Two Shoes

Dos Zap

Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 04:43:23 (ZULU)

Where in the Hell can I get some G96 gun oil. My stash is running low, none of the local stores carry it anymore, and it doesn't seem to appear in any of the catalogs I keep around.

Also - Any idea where I can get gen-u-whine .303 British Mk7 ammo. I just finished cleaning up an original Enfield No.4 Mk1(T) sniper rifle that was built at BSA and made into a sniper at Holland & Holland. The range drum (elevation turret to us Yanks) is calibrated for this ammo, 0-1000yds in less than one turn. Leupold sure wasn't first;-) . I'd sure appreciate it if any of youse guys could help me out.

TIA,  ALAN

ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, CO, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 05:10:06 (ZULU)

Alan and other, you can get it directly from the source at:

http://www.g96.com/

Byron <byburnham@earthlink.net>
CA, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 06:15:55 (ZULU)

You guys going to the F Class match in Raton. Be on the look out for a 75 yr old guy named JJ Conway. If you can get squaded with him jump at it. I don't know how they squad there, but this guy is the gedi master. Even with cateracts in his eyes. Talked to him the other night and he will be there. Not sure what he is going to shoot, other than a perfect score.

On Lapua, I just like saying the name, Laa-poooo-ahhhh.

Got my son's scope in today and should get the rings and base on Monday and will test the 155 Secnars in it. I will be limited to 300 yrds but should be a valid test any way. Yes not talk about twists. I just wanna see what will happen. I will shoot some 175's for comparison.

And Ken my dealer is waiting on stand by so you guys hurry up so Ken can send my gun.

Dirty Steve, Out

Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 06:23:50 (ZULU)

Lapua Brass 308 Winchester Box of 100 available for $31.99

Byron <byburnham@earthlink.net>
CA, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 06:46:32 (ZULU)

Durand Wilson <wilsondl@fmctc.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 07:28:32 (ZULU)

 The duty roster has been designated (by me) as an area of observation.

 Recommend you team up and notify each other as activity of interest appears. Targets of various value may appear ;)

 Engage as you see fit.

 Out.

ken hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
XXXXXXX, XXXXXX, U.S.A - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 12:43:10 (ZULU)

What do you mean?

Sorry if I seem ignorant.

Durand,

Go to ebay. You can get the Kevlars there for about $60.

Semper Primus!

Mark <beowulf4_hire@hotmail.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 13:14:17 (ZULU)

http://www.horusvision.com/index.cfm

I ran across this on Snipers Paradise website.  Some sort of new super duper ranging reticle which can be retrofit to your existing scope or just buy their scope with it.

Anybody have any intel on it?

Moe

Moe Mensale <mjmensale@aol.com>
Boca Raton, FL, US of A - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 13:55:27 (ZULU)

I would imagine that unless the underlying scope is solid (Loopie, etc.) that the ranging system is moot.  

Interesting thread.  Let's see what Cat-whacker haz to say.

Duman <steve_duey@hp.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 14:32:00 (ZULU)

We've talked about the Horus reticle a few times... a lot about a year ago (search the archives for "Horus"... HA! ;))

It's not "NEW"... it's been around for quite a while, but it has NEVER caught on.  It's is considered a cluttered mess, and you need their program to play it, it's a LOTTA WORKIE to set it up for your stick, and it is iffy in usefulness.

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 14:34:17 (ZULU)

We use propylene glycol for those so unwise as to warrant the liberal application of pepper spray from the local constabulary...that is of course, if the unfortunate individual has the foresight to realize that medics are to be treated with respect if you want LESS pain ; )

Jim Mitchell <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 15:22:34 (ZULU)

Those of you that are use to getting periodic e-mails from me, I sent one yesterday.  It has/had an attachment and is completely safe.  It is FUNNY and you should take a look.  Just wanted to give you the heads up.

Dropped the Savage off last night to be bedded.  This will be the final step for this rifle (I hope).

'lito,

When are you going to test the M118LR and post your findings?

S/F

Paul <paulcockerham@att.net>
VA, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 15:49:40 (ZULU)

Its been going on for about six months.  Tasco has been in financial trouble and looking for a buyer.  They had three "for sure" deals fall through and now the bank has them.  The last buyer was Meade telescopes and it looked like it was going to work but it did not, they are definitely out of business for sure.  Here's what will happen.  A liquidation company that the bank hires along with the current tasco employs will liquidate the assets, but there's not anything exciting in their inventory.  Then the rights to the registered trade mark Tasco will be sold and someone like Bushnell or ATK will buy it because it is an established name.  Production and exclusivity on the SS will not change as our deal has been with the manufacturer all the time.  Most people will never know anything happened, it will be like when Redfield or Weaver went under.  The name will be back so fast with different products behind it that your average Joe won't know a thang.

So as Chris has said the SS series WILL still be available - so guys the debate comtinues!

Sarge

Sarge <sarge@snipercountry.com>
Southern Area 51, NM, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 16:06:41 (ZULU)

Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 17:19:20 (ZULU)

In the past three or four weeks I've gotten e-mails from Dave Lawang, Gooch, and Tactical Intervention Specialists (Mike Miller). They had the correct names and the correct e-mail addresses, but all three contained viruses! Now I know these guys didn't send them so some asshole without a life, is gettin all "stiffy" off of this.

Just wanted to warn you guys in case you get something hinky from someone who stole one of our names and addresses.

danny reever <dreever@supernet.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 17:47:39 (ZULU)

HORUS:  Cluttered mess as 'lito says.  Can't imagine being able to use that reticle at night.  Especially for quick, close, police stuff.  Hard to beat a duplex or duplex with dots for our simple gigs.

Word I got was, the Canadians made the 2400 + shot.  Also a 1700 yarder.  Using a McMillan Fifty.  They were Princess Patricia's Light Inf. and were backing up the US 101st ABN.  101st wants to give them all Bronze Stars.  Anti-gun Canada ain't too cool on the idea though.

Hope you guys are all okay.

Brian

brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 18:56:11 (ZULU)

1.B. Chile is best used to prepare chili, see 1.A.

1.C. Dixons Red is the best red on the market, see 1.B.

2.A. Bill Rogers, however humorous he can be (and for that I am thankful), has an IQ of significantly higher than average.

2.B. Mr. Rogers has vast experience, a wealth to be learned from!

3.A. Tascos are trash. If I hadn't been able to get a return-for-refund on mine, I would have thrown it in the garbage. Once bitten, twice shy.

4.A. RCBS and Hornady powder throwers can be problematic, and require fitting.

4.B. RCBS stands behind their products well, and will fix what isn't right.

4.C. When RCBS or Hornady powder throwers are correctly fitted, they can be wonderful to work with.

5.A. Progressive presses are worth-while instruments for the high volume shooter.

5.B. As said before, a quality progressive press will produce quality rounds, rifle or pistol.

6.A. In the archives, I came across something from Mr. Gooch about rotating about a fixed point (forehead on a baseball bat), after consuming adult beverages. Humor is still alive!

7.A. I'm looking forward to seeing who wins that lovely rifle!

Jaeger <Jaegerspotter@yahoo.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 19:02:44 (ZULU)

Okay so I gots another highpower question to "axe".  I decided to go with the Rock River National Match lower (have John Holliger tune it), and the Holliger RRA "upgraded" upper.  Should shoot more betterer than I could (not that hard to do), and last a long time and be under a grand.  Now the question that'll really frost many a posterior....What about moly (yes I said it....MOLY) for highpower?  I know, I know don't worry.  That stuff never has or will touch my "tactical" riffles.  But, in highpower where you get spotter rounds etc. doesn't it have a little more merit?  At least that's what I've heard (and I know you can't believe everything you hear..."Elvis is dead"...yeah whatever buddy....;)) ).  I don't handload yet, but I was probably going to lean towards the Black-Hills molyed (not sure though) 75 or 77 grainers.  So any of youse Hogs that do any highpower shootin', please help me out. I'm new to it and I'd like to "do it right" the first time.

Thanks again,

Rich S

Rich S. <RS1441@aol.com>
MD, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 19:12:52 (ZULU)

The weather (tempreture wise) is nice, but we're getting rain almost every day (except the time I'm at work :((

I have 7 riffles stacked at the door with a crate of ammo (come on back, DCS HA!, yo' Momma!), just waiting to go to the range. Probably next week.  As soon as I shoot it, I WILL post the results.

-

Sarge...

>"so guys the debate continues!"<

OK... Tabasco's SUCK, There ya' go! ;))

For those that keep defending Tabasco, cuz "one of them" works, just keep in mind this... Tasco has been around for 40+ years, and has gone broke, IN SPITE of next to nuthin' labor ($1 a day) and manufacturing costs in China... Is Lupita, or Burris going broke (while paying US labor rates, manufacturing costs, and US taxes, and following EPA laws)... not hardly.

So you think there's somfin' OK with Tabascos... not me.  If you can make a product with $1 a day labor, and cheap factorys, and no US taxes, and still can't make it, you have a assed sorry product.

-

Brian... I heard that too...  I think we talked about here about two or three months ago.  They (the guys from Canadia) ain't all that bad ;))

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 20:05:34 (ZULU)

I bought a dual dove tail unertl base and rings combo from this company for 100.00$

They come with the rings installed on the base and are trued and don ot need to be lapped.

I mounted on my stick, centered scope before mounting to rifle, then bore sighted. It was 1.5 moa low and 2moa right  pretty damn close  if you ask me.  The fit and finish are great.

  I did not have enough clearance between objective lens and #7 contour barrel I just got.  John told me what I needed and is gonna send me another one.

Easy guy to work with who stands behind his product.    Not to mention a lot less money that badgers or lupy mk4s.  The marine corps uses this mounting system ,if I am not mistaken and if I am I am shure someone will let me know, It  is very heavy duty and has few parts to fail like bolts or nuts. I am happy with mine.

JIM ANDERSON <OCSO245@HOTMAIL.COM>
OKC, OK, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 21:43:08 (ZULU)

This is the only place I post, and I've been getting some weird e-mails.  Besides every one in Nigeria wanting to make me a billionaire, and cuties by the score love-me-no-shit and want me to visit their very personal websites, I've been getting some very suspicious e-mails that contain no text at all.  They take a long time to load and there's nothing in them.  Can't say I care for the looks of that.  

Another contains the following:

Hello,This is a very new game

This game is my first work.

You're the first player.

I hope you would like it.

Has anyone else around here been getting any of this?

CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 21:53:54 (ZULU)

Welcome back.  Have missed your postings.  My Norton anti-virus program has been working overtime lately.  Lots of goo-goo birds loose out there!!!

Doc Holloway <docs@fidnet.com>
The soggy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 22:09:40 (ZULU)

I have one of John's steel floorplates and it's very nice. He is a good guy to do business with.

Rob01 <customrem700@aol.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 22:12:21 (ZULU)

CDC...

Welcome back too (this IS a roach motel... nobody ever REALLY leaves) ;))

It's too late for the Billions.  Me and Bruce Robinson already took the money, and now were trying to find a place to wash it.  Bruce gave me a few million to wash, and I threw it in the washing machine with a cup of Tide, and all the ink came off (I mean how was I to know????).

Now I'm thinkin' "Dry Cleaners"... ya' think ;))

I also get the empty emails (about 8 a day, and got that thing about the new game, with nothin' in it.

It gets old real fast.

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 23:00:34 (ZULU)

out

G.W

Gavan Willis <gwillis@simplex.net.au>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 23:50:07 (ZULU)

I have been getting the Nigerian / Congo / South African "We want to put $25 Million in you bank account" type emails about once a week now.

I don't even open them.

Sniff

Sniff <akh805@actrix.co.nz>
Auckland, New Zealand - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 00:04:06 (ZULU)

US Tactical Supply.  GOt 5 in for some test systems.  GOOD TO GO! $225.00

http://www.ustacticalsupply.com/cases.shtml

Out

Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 00:23:29 (ZULU)

Well, hawgs, I have accomplished one of my long-term goals.  Last week I shot my AR in the Navy East Coast Rifle and Pistol Championships and won 1st Gold in the Atlantic Fleet Excellence-in-Competition service rifle leg match for 10 more points to Distinguished Rifleman.  Tuesday I shot in the All-Navy EIC and won 3rd Gold.  Total of 34 points and I have "Legged out" for the US Army Distinguished Rifleman's Gold Badge.

I started in February of 1999, and it's taken:

15 leg matches (three at Camp Perry);

4,191 rounds of 5.56mm Match (moly handloads and raw Navy 77 grain Mark 262);

four triggers (Armalite to Bushmaster, Bushmaster to Stoner, and finally a Jewell);

two barrels (a stainless Douglas 1-8 that burned out in 2400 rounds, resulting in a wasted 2001 season.  Currently shooting an outstanding Krieger chro-mo 1-8 four-groove);

two sights (Armalite 1/4 to 1/2 MOA, and finally an Accuracy Speaks 1/2).

All my points are military (All-Navy Silver 2000; LANTFLEET Bronze 2001; LANTFLEET Gold 2002; All-Navy Gold 2002).

Next goal:  President's Hundred!

Am setting up an AR-10T (24-inch Walther barrel) for use as a 1,000 yard scoped rifle.  Haven't decided whether or not to use my B&L 10X Tac or a new M3LR.  Has a GG&G 20 degree sloped rail.  Currently has a Bushmaster trigger (yech) with a Jewell coming.

Sinister Dave <mliwanag@nc.rr.com>
Fayetteville, NC, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 01:39:59 (ZULU)

Well..., it breaks my heart to leave you guys, but my bride & I depart for the Whittington Center for 9 days in the morning.  No match, just goin' ta play.  When is the match in Aug/Sept?

Save my new Riffle fer me and I'll claim it when I get back.

Larry

Larry J. Porter <skporter@nts-online.net>
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, US of A - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 01:50:07 (ZULU)

Now that you have whooped up on those rookies, you get to take the Boltster on at Butner in June and July. Quake in your boots son! This blind, balding, old fart is after your title!

Early to bed tonight. Have a DMAT camporee tomorrow.

Bolt out!

Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
NC, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 01:57:15 (ZULU)

Good Luck on the President's Hundred.  I  hope to start again for the President's Hundred later this summer.  Started once back in the early 90's but marriage, going back to college, and work gave me enough excuses to stop shooting in the local Service Rifle matches.  I hope to shoot in July.  I have already missed the April and May matches and I will out of town on business in June.  Sounds like a familiar scenario, hope I change it this time.

How many rounds do you have through the Krieger barrel.  I am looking at their barrels as a replacement for my current barrel next winter.  I had one of their barrels back in the early 90's but it went with my rifle when I sold it.  I had about 1000 rounds through it and it shot great from beginning to end.

Congrats again.

Keith

Keith <keith37f20@excite.com>
North Central, WV, USA - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 02:46:37 (ZULU)

Good job!!

One question.  Moly in a 223?  What is the advantage you get at comps? Thanks.

Hank <robahenry@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 02:48:30 (ZULU)

Dozen Easton aluminum arrows: $60

Dozen broad heads: $35

Getting an arrow in the back of your skull: PRICELESS!!!!!!!!

Check this out!!!

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=6f4bd57a1fa261262e2070e0e0f2a9b5&threadid=1493&highlight=broadhead

Time for bed, Bolt out!

Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
NC, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 04:00:53 (ZULU)

I will offer that B&L a good home if you decide to not use it - LOL. Be quiet Cat Shooter ;))

ken hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 04:37:25 (ZULU)

CDC; I got 42 messages Thursday that fit the description you mentioned. These viruses  now steal your adr and send messages to other people with your name on it. That Bogus Game deal must be doing something sinister but I don't know what.  The African schemes are the only legitimate ones. I haven't written a check on them yet but I'm sure the money is there. Would a African Prince lie to you?

I know you... you're just a old fraidie cat!  

You will get a message that will say it will eliminate your getting those Virus messages if you will disable your Antivirus and let it come in because you're anti virus "mistakes it for a Virus"..ad it may look like it comes from someone you know.  This stuff must be coming direct from Ben Laudin himself....All this stuff is choking the net with junk messages and it spreads like a chain letter that you can't stop eventually it should bring the net down or make it too slow to use due to the traffic.  The virus won't show up as being on your computer and it's not but people you know get bogus stuff from you as it also steals your files and sends them all over.

Welcome to paradise lost!

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 05:39:29 (ZULU)

Nine days at Whittington? Wished I was there right now. NRA heaven as far as I'm concerned. Here's the link for the upcoming "F" class match at the Center:

http://arizona.rifleshooting.com/spirit02.html

Sinister Dave,

Congratulations MR....SINISTER DAVE. PSSST, disregard Kens offer. I've got a better one for your B&L Tactical. No......wait...disregard that. He might throw my riffle raffle winning numbers out the door. We'll talk later....

Bolt,

DAMN, that's got to hurt. I can only imagine what kind of broadhead was on the end of that shaft. Used to bow hunt myself. I've seen what those things can do. Maybe MedicJim can fill us in on the dialogue that probably took place between the medic and the patient. I'm more curious as to who took the picture, the bow hunters friend (that shot him) or the medics partner? I would've loved to have heard the report to the receiving hospital from the ambulance.

Lito,

I'm growing some CHILLES just for YOU. They're crossed between a habanero, jalapeno, serrano and chille piquing. I'm gonna call it "pluto" (short for plutonium). BTUs will be measured in "mega"..tons.

Dirty Steve,

>>>>>>>>>You guys going to the F Class match in Raton. Be on the look out for a 75 yr old guy named JJ Conway. If you can get squaded with him jump at it. I don't know how they squad there, but this guy is the gedi master.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

It will be good to finally meet the Gedi Master. May the (.308) force be with us. (thanks Steve I will)

Mark Vader Skywalker

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Chili and Jalapenos (but no beans please...makes for a DEADLY GAS), Texas, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 06:03:37 (ZULU)

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/17/ret.seal.death/index.html

Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 09:26:11 (ZULU)

The horus reticle was invented in 1728, by Chief Erik Poophawk,a Viking / Indian . who decided that if he left the branches on the christmas tree he was making a bow out of, he would have lots of aiming points which would enable him to better aim off for wind/range  deflection when trying to shoot animals with his bow, the  branches also provided camoflage to help confuse his prey. Great theory.The name Horus comes from the Viking name for wallruss, which is what Erik's brother was shouting trying to warn Erik of the wallruss that was about to flatten Erik, who was busy checking his xmastree-master to verify exactly which twig on which branch he needed as an aiming point for a range of 25 yards in a 30mph wind on a 1 ton Bull Wallruss with a kill zone of 2 feet. It was Poor Eriks last hunt, the Wallruss flattened him. From that day on, the rest of the tribe decided to follow the KISS principle and abandoned the Christmas tree bow for hunting purposes. Since then to commemorate Erik's untimely death, once a year, on the aniversary of that fatefull day, the braves of the tribe get together for some target practice and on this day only do they shoot with christmas tree bows, at life size wallruss targets made out of straw, they take their time, selecting the right twig on the right branch, and they can achieve some amaizing hits and range estimation using the system.The tribal chant when any one misses a target on this day is " Horus"! "Horus"!

A descendant of that tribe with a flaire for modern technology, has apparently come up with a way of fitting the christmas tree bow into a telescopic sight.

Now all we have to do is find some one called Erik who is willing to hunt wallruss with a rifle and scope fitted with this reticle. Will he make the shot in time? or will he be flattened by a Bull Wallruss? "Horus"! "Horus"!

ok I'm full of crap, but in a comedy mood,

Chris, you need to ask Jon Beardsley about them sheep, he's Welsh, could the right word be Beardsleyality?? come on Jon, tell us about them sheep and wellie's !! and then i'll tell you all about your new Swarovski spotting scope thats sat in my car awaiting the post-office to open, niiiccceee nice..

Marco, try some Balistic tip bullets in that Sako of yours for hunting Roe Deer, they are great and are usualy accurate, and i will make one of them sako bipods fit my AICS, square peg- round hole.. no problem.

No news from S&B on delivery dates and prices for new PMII scopes yet.

I'll reply to all emails tommorow, Im busy at work with shift plans and training.

Pete L

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 11:50:20 (ZULU)

Welcome to the fold... you're as crazy as some of the rest of us.  I loved the Horus history.

;)))))))))

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 12:12:41 (ZULU)

Your killing me with your Horus/xmastree Master story. Glad to see your back.

TonyM

tam308 <tam308@aol.com>
US of A!!!!!!!! - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 12:16:42 (ZULU)

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 12:57:10 (ZULU)

Lito,

Some additional info to my earlier plea for help.  I have now shot 11 of those 'hot' 180gr rounds.  The last 4 are now not showing any sign of ejector marks, any galling of the base and the primers have more rounded edges.  All the ammo was loaded at the same time with the same batch of powder, same batch of Fed. large rifle magnum match primers and all the cases are weighed to +/- 1 grain.  The ambient air temperature was higher for at least 2 of the last 4 rounds than when I initially tested the batch and got the readings of 3200fps and the pressure signs.  I haven't chronoed the ammo again to see if velocity has dropped as well.  The barrel has now had about 100 rounds through it, could the reduction in pressure be something to do with break-in?  Cleaning has also become incredibly easy.  I would still appreciate any comments or suggestions (I know you are still waiting to get to the range first).

Cheers

Jon

Jon Beardsley <jon@sgreadan.fsnet.co.uk>
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 13:40:36 (ZULU)

I am back in Europe and have been reading Duty Roster's last 5 months during the last few days.

Lapua 155 Scenar's seem to be getting more popular. A year ago nobody believed what I wrote about 2900-3000 fps out of regular 24" barrels with a BC higher than SMK 175's. Anyway quite an itneresting bullet. I have heard reports about the jacket thickness. On compressed loads the bullet jacket may become deformed if the load powder is packed too tightly. The bullet is at its best when used with moly (hgihest speed etc.) but can be used also without moly. I would prefer no moly.

The "almost 300 Win Mag" 308 Win load from Lapua was developed for originally for UK military snipers. The load has a 170 grain Lock Base FMJ bullet (BC .525 according to Lapua) that is pushed around 2800 fps out of the long barrel of AI sniper rifle. The powder is according to rumours a hefty dose of VV N-150 but this is justa rumour. The charge is higher than what Vihtavuori or Lapua reloading manuals give as max for 308 Win so I will not mention it as it is anyway third hand information.

IOR vs Badger.

My understanding is that Badger refined Leupold Mark4 rings and IOR then copied the general style. Might be wrong, though. Badgers rule in this style.

Sako TRG-21 vs TRG-22 and TRG-41 and TRG-42.

TRG-21/41 rifles were developed by Sako in early nineties. These rifles were extremly accurate target rifles are were offered for sale to several European and Middle-East militaries. Unfortunately the design was not fully developed for harsh military use.

The TRG-21 was offered only in 308 and it could be ordered with either stainless or cromy moly barrel. Stainless cost 80 USD more in Finland. Early TRG-41 in caliber 338 Lapua Magnum used only stainless barrels but later on cromy moly become available. TRG41 has been offered also in 300 Win Mag and in very limited amounts in 6.5X55 Swedish for some military shooting competitors.

After several defeats, some in put from Finnish reservists and a new requirement list from Finnish Defense Forces Sako developed a rifle called TRG-42 in 338 Lapua Magnum. That rifle is deployed by FDF as we speak. Differences compared to the old model are at least the following:

The firing pin and firing pin assembly can be maintained better. In the old model the assembly was a closed unit that could not be disassembled on the field without extra tools. Now it is better in the field.

The muzzle brake is now threaded to the barrel. On TRG-41 it was just slipped over the barrel with a special pressure band torqued tight to keep it in place. The new muzzle brake is also more effective than the earlier one.

The stock on TRG-42 is modified to fit the shooter better and now a jammed magazine can be ripped out of the rifle with force if needed and it can be done with gloves on. In earlier models a jammed magazine had to be pried out with a screwdriver or similar tool.

The stock is now green in military version but can be ordered also in black.

New bipod was developed. In my humble opinion it is better than Harris, P-H. Versa-Pod or any other bipod I have seen. It is made of steel and it can take any abuse.

The magazine catch has now extra "dirt space" machined behind it so that the lever is not easily jammed in the closed position. In earlier models it is possible that dirt jams the release lever so that the magazibne can not be taken out of the rifle.

The external finish is parkerizing. Earlier it was a shiny bluing.

There are probably more smaller refinements but these cover most of it. All TRG-42 modifications can be found also on TRG-22. The barrel on the military model is cormy moly because FDF specified a cromy moly barrel. TRG-42 can be bought also with shiny bluing, stainless barrel and with either green or black stock furniture.

The FDF version has also a special Sako-made sloped scope attachment system that is developed for a dedicated Zeiss 3-12X50 Mil scope that was manufactured in a limited production run for FDF. For example the tube is 30 mm except on the area close to the adjustment towers were it is widened to apprx. 34-36mm. It is NOT a version of the civilian 3-12X50 Zeiss. It has a lighted reticle and the BDC has both meters on it and it can be used with 0.2 mil-radian adjustments. These are in MOA world 2/3 MOA. Confusing for people licing in inch/yard system but not so for people used to live in metric system.

BTW Beretta owned Sako is now charging the exactly same outrageous prices for Sako rifles in Finland as in the USA. Custom gun smiths have been having a field day for the last year or so as Sako can not really compete with custom smiths quality but the cost is the same. For example a TRG-42 list price is 3000 Euros which is 2700 USD. I can order almost TWO custom rifles with that price where everything including action, trigger and barrel has been made from scracth.

Looks like Sako/Beretta does not want to sell to Finns anymore. Keep in mind that the high cost of European rifles in the USA are caused also by the high import duties. We do not have import duties on stuff we make here in Filnad but still Beretta charges these outrageous prices locally.

Take care !

Hexa

Hexa <juhola@luukku.com>
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 14:39:14 (ZULU)

A chance at a Brownells Glass Bedding kit has appeared.  Engage as you wish. Not sure when it will go away....

1. Send an email to:  scfreebee@aspiringtech.net

(you can click on the email below to get there as well).

2. I will have the Major pick a number from 1 to the number of emails I receive. The winner will be the person's email that matches the number she picks.

ken hunter <scfreebee@aspiringtech.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 15:42:55 (ZULU)

Gooch and others have you ever actually used a drag bag during training or on a mission?  

I have the eagle drage bag with backpack straps.  It seems like it would be useful at times and could double as a ground mat in cold/wet environments.  Also Eagle has external pouches that can be attached to the case to hold spotting scope and binoculars.

Nicholas Young <ynicholas1@qwest.net>
SLC, UT, USA - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 17:17:02 (ZULU)

Nicholas - Would not ever use a drag bag.  Too much crap to carry now.  Drag bags give people away by its snagging and catching and since it is another large pice of equipment to be seen by the enemy.

Horus Vision aka Horrid Vision - Would not even attempt that scope.  We have the CD on it and even that is a pain to look at.  Add that you must shoot the longer ranges at the bottom of the scope, that the leads and wind holds will too short to give enough at the longer ranges.  Lions and Tigers, and Bears O' MY!

Well enough stirring for now,  Will go throught he article more minutely and will post anything that I disagree with, if there is interest.

Hold Hard Guys and HAVE FUN!!!

Rick <rbowcher@aol.com>
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 19:19:47 (ZULU)

There is an interest...

FatBoy...

Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 19:42:33 (ZULU)

Hey guys.  I'm giving a 2 for 1 deal on my courses till the end of the year.  You pay for 1 tuition and bring a buddy for free.

Out here.

Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 21:37:03 (ZULU)

 A Leupold Wind River spotting scope has appeared as a target of opportunity in the current freebee giveaway

That means - that two picks will be made - one for the glass bedding kit, one for the Leupold Spotting scope.

Out.

ken hunter <scfreebee@aspiringtech.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 21:57:48 (ZULU)

Rob01 <customrem700@aol.com>
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 22:35:40 (ZULU)

I'm really interested in the field of sniping and am looking into becoming one. Now, I'm not inlisted, nor have any experience with hunting, or even firing a gun(Sad, yes.). But the mental and tactical parts of the field really appeal to me.

I think I understand the role, and difficulty of becoming a sniper, and surviving as one. But it seems like the right place for me, if I can make it that far.

So anyway I've been studying the field, reading up, so on. But that can only take me so far.  Like I said, I've never been hunting, fired any form of rifle, let alone a gun. I have no fear of guns or anything like that, just never got any contact. So I'm here to talk to you gentlemen and ask for something in the ways of mentoring as I get into shooting and the field in general.

I just have a lot of questions that can't all be answered by books basicly. Say, What would be a good starter rifle to learn on? What kind of places can I learn to fire it on/at?(Totally clueless when it comes to guns and the rules.). Made some friends to go hunting with, how can I gain some skills as a shooter and sniper doing that?  

I'm sure an ungodly amount of questions will come in time. Just need some people to talk to who know the field =]. So if you can spare some time, help a wannabe out.

Thanks in advance for all your help.

Sil.

P.S. Forgot, I do plan to inlist in the marines when the time comes. And sorry for rambling on.

Percival <reddyman68@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 22:44:31 (ZULU)

As far as drag bags on missions,

We had the eagle bags, we'd use the eagle to move weapon ans gear to a staging area, once there, we'd strip down to our "fighting load", and use a scabbard style drag bag for the stalk. The big mamma-jamma drag bags aren't practical for a long stalk, too bulky. Tony M found that Desert Specialties makes a great scabbard style bag for about $50.

Later Hogs, have a Radio Instrument simulator on Monday, they suck, but flying for the Corps is better than beating brush in NTA any day

Semper Fi

Kush out

Kush <matchking175@hotmail.com>
Pensacola, Lower Alabama, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 22:44:49 (ZULU)

Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 23:40:01 (ZULU)

Rickster... find the errors, and send them to Marius, so the orignal copy can be corrected, otherwise the bad data will go down in history, and get passed on AGAIN to others.

-

Jon Beardsley...

You'll have to remind me on the loads you are refering to (cronic CRS).

I think you probably pulled the trigger harder on the first loads ;).

-

Hexa...

I didn't believe you then, I'm a true believer now.

-

"Sil"... how old are you?

And if you have never shot a gun, why are thinking of becoming a "Sniper".  That's like saying you have never driven a car, but next year you want to be an indy driver???

There are much better ways of making a living... as a sniper, you will probably never own a NEW car or any kind of house, and it ain't gonna impress the chickies very much.

I would suggest you talk to a Marine recruter, he will answer all your questions.

-

Ken... can I get in on the Glassing kit deal ;))

-

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 23:55:42 (ZULU)

Not having fired a gun does hinder me, but I don't believe too greatly. I can learn. If I can't, I forget about it, it wasn't ment to be. But it seems the field only starts with a great shot.

And I relise "success" won't come from that lifestyle. But that's fine with me, I always liked things simpler.

Looking for more of someone to chit-chat with here and there rather than a recruiter.

It just seems like the career for me. I don't know, I'm not very good at describing things, maybe if you asked different questions.

Percival <reddyman68@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 01:39:18 (ZULU)

Thanks!

William M. <elmerfudd3000@yahoo.com>
Birmingham, AL, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 01:46:16 (ZULU)

Today I completed the first portion of my reconnaissance of new training areas here on the Island of Maui.

Dressed in a Hawaiian shirt, shorts and Wayfarers to blend in with the locals I rode north along route 30 from my base camp in Wailea.  I kept my speed below the local limits so that I wouldn’t draw the attention of the local Gendarmes.  Using a Blue Harley Davidson Fatboy for transportation I was able to slip through unnoticed.

The village of Lahaina is strategically located on the Northwest portion of the island along the straits of Molokai.  I noticed that many of the village women to be fit and dressed for the hot weather.  I don’t think they noticed me.

Pressing on I reconnoitered the extreme Northern reaches of the island and found many suitable training locations.  The terrain is rugged to say the least but fresh water is available from many of the waterfalls and local streams.  The vegetation is tropical in places but becomes sparse at higher elevations.

To protect my cover as a tourist I’ve been forced to eat and drink with the locals and pretend to be having fun.  I hope I can hold up.

I will continue this dangerous mission tomorrow and report back.

out

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 02:53:25 (ZULU)

What are you going to use the .22 for?  Savage and Marlin both have very nice .22s.  If you want a bit more punch you could look at getting a .22WMR.  I can't comment much on the terminal balistics between the HP and solid. Although, Rem came out with a .22WMR that uses a a polymer tipped bullet that is supposed to give excellent terminal ballistics.

Nick

Nick Anzano <nanzano@mindspring.com>
- Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 02:55:42 (ZULU)

You're taking WAY to many dangerous assignments.  Listen, the next time you have something like this come up, I'll volunteer to take your place.

Or maybe you need an assistant?

Watch your back dude  -- who knows what they have hidden under those grass skirts :)))).

Nick

Nick Anzano <nanzano@mindspring.com>
- Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 03:01:25 (ZULU)

Kevin On The Blue Harley Fatboy - you really know how to torque us stay-at-homes, don't ya?  :-))  Geez, first you go get a new office down here in The Land of Hurricanes and now you're playing around in The Land of Volcanoes!  Say "Hi" to Magnum for us!

Moe

Moe Mensale <mjmensale@aol.com>
Boca Raton, FL, US of A - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 04:03:00 (ZULU)

19MAY02

0330 ZULU

Intel Report:

..............

The neighboring island of Lanai is inhabited by scantily clad women that partake of intoxicating local bevarages.  Due to the potential threat level that may be encountered in this sector it should be entered only if absolutely necessary.

If infil into this sector is necessay ensure covert alias identity is maintained at all cost.  Protection will have to be acquired locally if not part of mobilization gear.  Suggested local source: convience store.

All sit reps provided to the DR will be given highest possible security classification and all persons viewing sit reps will disavow all knowledge of any operations in this sector.

During last recon of that area, no sheepies identified.  A few goats were sighted.

End

.........

Seriously, I hope you enjoy yourself.  If you get a chance go to the top of the volcano and watch the sunrise.  An unforgetable experience.

It was good to shot with you and Andy again.

..........

Sil

I am not a sniper but after lurking here for a few years I think you will find that not very many of the folks on the roster are going to want to "chit-chat" with you unless you answer them when they ask you a straight-foward question.  Lito (aka Catshooter) asked you how old you were and you didn't answer him.  You must be at least 18 years old to be on the roster.  If you are 18 you should make sure you have read the "Warning to Minors and Militants"  and "Good Reading for Newbies and Old Salts" then read the Archives.  After you have done that, then decide if you want to ask the types of questions you are asking of the snipers on this page.  If you are not 18 or older you should leave this site.

Keith

Keith <keith37f20@excite.com>
North Central, WV, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 04:03:48 (ZULU)

I forgot to say that my eagle drag bag is the new one that folds out into a shooting mat.  

How exactly is a drag bag properly imployed?  In my mind there are a few senerios that stick out, like it would be useful if you also had a short range rifle like an M16 while stalking, especially if you are heavy rifle sniping with a 50 cal (windrunner comes to mind).

It also makes a lot of sense to hide the bag when you enter enemy territory as you wouldn't want to be caught with your rifle in your bag.

Police snipers likely have the most use for a drag bag/shooting mat.

Using a drag bag will interfear with your ruck.

I don't know what to think about drag bags, but I really like mine, very comfortable to shoot off of.  :D

Nicholas Young <ynicholas1@qwest.net>
SLC, UT, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 05:02:10 (ZULU)

Bolt, lever, semi-auto or pump?

Maybe single shot? Break action?

How much accuracy do you desire?

Quality level - from excellent to real poor.

How many bucks are you ready to part with? Determines most of the above. What can you get away with ;-)

Full size, kids size, or what?

HP or solid bullet? Depends on what you're shooting, pests, small game or targets? Determine that, then buy a box of each of the decent ammo that is available to you and sort out the most accurate.Most .22 rimfires will let you know what they like real quick. Speaking in broad terms, soilds for edible game, HP's for vermin.

Just a hint - a broad generalization at that - Winchester PowerPoints have always shot consistantly for me, but you don't wanna use 'em for edible stuff unless you can consistantly pull off the head-shot!

HTH,  ALAN

ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, CO, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 05:51:44 (ZULU)

Shot 500 and 1000 yards, and can honestly say that the Gardner rifle did not outshoot my Shilen built rig.  However, the Gardner rigs operator consistantly outshot the Shilen rigs operator at both ranges.

I hate when equipemnt failures can't be blamed.  Good seeing ya again Roger.

Mike in Texas <mcdonald@hcn.hcnews.com>
Texas, - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 05:53:04 (ZULU)

The concept for the .22 rifle is cheap, accurate adult sized small game rifle with weather resistant fixed power scope.  Really a SHTF rifle, since the only small game I now hunt usually comes in paper boxes with fries.  It would also be a way to get my wife into rifle marksmanship, since I have not been able to convince her to try the AR15 yet, not to mention get me shooting more for less $.

William M. <elmerfudd3000@yahoo.com>
Birmingham, AL, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 06:19:48 (ZULU)

Kevin, If you get to Honolulu. Stay a way from the Alamowanna park on Sunday afternoon. The bike riders there are a bad influance trust me. All though you are on the wrong type of bike for them.

Sinister congrats dude. My hat is off to you. Not that I wear one often.

Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 06:54:08 (ZULU)

I went hunting last night, that old boar i saw the other week had been digging up the undergrowth near a tree stand, i could tell the tracks in the mud, thats a big sucker of a pig, heared a large animal circling the stand i sat on, it was too dark to see in the underbrush, but the wind was turning and swirling last night, my guess is that the old boy knows where the hunters are likely to be and circles the tree stands checking the wind before he shows his self, Ive narrowed his territory down to about a 200 acre block, the woods are criss crossed with muddy or sandy tracks and by walking the tracks you can see what type of game has crossed by the prints in the dirt. I think I'll leave that area alone until the season for mature boars starts on June 15th, don't want to scare him off.

Hexa thanks for the brief history of the TRG, I dunno what the things cost here in Germany, I know the first ones where expensive and then they dropped in price a lot, I'll check. I like the rifles though, Sako is good kit.

Pete

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 08:14:53 (ZULU)

Pete L

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 08:18:49 (ZULU)

 I just payed up on the riffle-raffle.  Sorry I was holding ya'll up, but something serious took me away for the past few days....

 I am decisively engaged in a freakin' Bio-war.  Number two daughter (Nicole, 2.5 years) is here with me in the hospital begining what I pray to be a long and succesfull fight against leukemia.  This is Daddy-hell, gentlemen.  There is something evil hurting my baby, and there is no flank I can hit; there is no frontal assault to lead, no sight picture--and my hands are tied.  As any of you would for your own children, I too wish I could lay in her place right now.  

 Wife and I moved in to the hospital in Lacrosse.  After the really shitty initial bad news--we have had some good news.  Our new scale starts simply at "bad" then moves to "worse."  The prognosis is staying up on the "bad" end of that scale.  My little princess has the version that most often gets its' ass kicked by modern medicine.  We have our hopes.  I pray that none of you ever faces this hell...Over the years, I thought I knew fear--but I didn't have a clue.  Today, I know what fear truly is, and I am terrified...And other than this little outlet here and now, I keep counsel of my fears.  I win an academy award for best actor all day long while hangin' with my princess and wife.  And if I hear one more time "that this is relativley rare disease with only 2000 cases a year"  I am going to take a doctor outta the gene pool.  Gents, it ain't rare when it is hurting your baby.  Gotta go and rig up the IV; these damn alarms don't summon the night help as fast I'd expect.

Joe Mahon

Joe Mahon <joseph.mahon@usarec.army.mil>
Eau Claire, WI, US of A - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 08:36:12 (ZULU)

Sorry to hear about your condition ;-), I'll send a reminder to your email address.

All the Best

Jon

Jon Beardsley <jon@sgreadan.fsnet.co.uk>
- Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 10:30:27 (ZULU)

Pete Lincoln

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 12:15:07 (ZULU)

Having known that fear with my own son at 8 days old, I can feel your fear. Hearing you express it, wakes emotions not felt in years. Your family needs you to continue to be the winner of that academy award for quite awhile. Take it easy on the docs, they go home and cry more than you think. Hold and pray HARD.

john <acehighbmg@mindspring.com>
B'town, IN, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 13:12:41 (ZULU)

I haven't been placed in your position, but I have two kids who I would do anything for' so I can just imagine you and your wife's feelings. Just know that there are lots of people praying for your daughter and family. I will add ya'll to our prayer list at church.

                  God bless you and yours

redfish <ruger2000@msn.com>
A, - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 13:28:33 (ZULU)

This phase of operation freebee is closed:  

We have two winners:

1.   Brownells Glass Bedding Kit:  w.bierbower@worldnet.att.net

2.   Leupold WindRiver spotting scope: camwong@mindspring.com

Thanks for playin' hogs.....

Don't close your scope covers yet......

ken hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 13:52:13 (ZULU)

 you're hanging out with a pretty loyal and supportive bunch of hogs. Many of them lurk and don't speak out.  I'm sure prayers for you and your family will be heard from our lurkers all over the world.

May the Lord bless you and your family.

Ken

ken hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 13:59:13 (ZULU)

I don't have the words to express my sincere wish that everything works out for your wee one and your family. Al the best to you and yours.

Sinister one,

Congradulations on legging out,, did you do it with that Varget load you sent me ;))  We have a reserve HM shooting with us, and he says that miltary guys leg out a bit different, is there that much of a difference on how you need to aquire the points?

FatBoy...

Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 14:03:04 (ZULU)

I am relativly new here on the DR but want you to know my prayers are with you and your family. This bunch on the DR is a great group of men

who will mentally be with you through this whole thing. Have faith brother, the Lord DOES work in mysterious ways that we cannot comprehend.

Lou

Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
The ZOO, - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 14:08:42 (ZULU)

My heart goes out to you, we just lost my neice. Born with cancer she was home only about 2 weeks, the rest of her short 9 months was in the hospital. She was amazing with all the pain and procedures she always had a smile and hardly ever cried. The doctors and nurses worked so hard to keep her alive and when she died they all gathered around and cried. Most of them were at her funeral. Try to cut them some slack because they do care.

I know it is hard to hold it together but you have to for everyone else. You will need to find someone that you can confide in and cry on their shoulder when you are away from everyone else. DO NOT try to keep it all inside or it will consume you.

We will be praying for you hold hard and pray hard.

tam308 <tam308@aol.com>
US of A!!!!!!!! - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 14:19:42 (ZULU)

Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
cool and sunny, Nokesville, VA, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 13:31:42 (ZULU)

They noticed, they just wanted the raffle to start a little early.  Devious, I tell ya, devious....

Gearing up to lap some Badgers,,,,  Will make my initail attempt on or about Tuesday... I've heard this takes some time, but worth it or not I figure it's some kinda right of passage and must try it for my self.. Maybe I can convice "She Who Must Be Obeyed" that it's some kind of new aerobic exercise that's Gar-Un-Teed to take off 10 lbs ;)))

FatBoy...

Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 14:26:57 (ZULU)

The Bolster noticed the wrong zulu when the last riffle raffle started. Appeared to be 1 zulu off.

Joe,

Sometimes you HAVE to talk to your buds or even a complete stranger about what you are feeling. No matter what you think most men, myself included, cannot go on indefinitely holding stuff in. I tried it and it just doesn't work. All of us have a pressure relief valve but it is better to let off the pressure before valve blows.

I work at a very large hospital and I see people going through similar situations on a regular and unfortunate basis. I have completed a lot of projects in the neonatal and oncology areas and I can tell you for a fact that the people that work in these areas and the technology that is used are THE best. The medical community is an amazing bunch, especially when it comes to kids. We will put everything aside to make sure the little people get better.

For all of you folks going through trying times, this site and the Rosterferians that inhabit it are a family. Anything that screws with the family brings us together. All of us have emails and most of us will be glad to do anything we can to help you out.

Instructors and commanders out there......

I went to the DMAT deployment qualification excercise yesterday so that if I absolutly have to deployed out of state, I will know what the hell's going on. It is a weekend excercise but work constraints allowed only yesterday. If you are an instructor or a commander of a large group of people involving logistics please do the following:

1. Have a plan and stick to it.

2. Do not change the way things work in between regular training sessions. Make the changes the next training session.

3. When you have a drill, do not make changes to your SOP's during the drill! Do the drill by the current book, and then debrief for comments and questions AFTER the drill. Review the changes and make them at the next training session.

4. Do not expect newbies to know what they are supposed to do and do not bitch at them when they screw up. Help them along.

5. Most people that do this type of thing are type A personalities that hate to stand around waiting on things to happen. Keep the training going steadily with an emphisis on how things will happen in the real world.

6. Finally, YOUR BRAIN CANNOT ASSIMILATE WHAT YOUR ASS CAN'T TOLERATE! In other words, don't let people sit too long, or their brains and asses will get numb!

Time to clean some reels, Bolt out!

Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
NC, - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 14:31:10 (ZULU)

Dale Weiss <dweissmtnman@aol.com>
Bethlehem, pa, usa - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 14:52:26 (ZULU)

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 15:05:43 (ZULU)

Ken... you are 43 seconds FAST (we all knew you were fast kinda guy anyway;)

I tol' Marius a while back, and he said the clock was "Your job!" ;))

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 15:07:02 (ZULU)

I have a WindRiver spotting scope that we got because we liked that it was more reasonably priced and a Leupold, which we've always had real good luck with.  (I LOVE the Gen II Mildot scope I have!!)  Being very new to using scopes of any kind, it took me awhile to get used to using the WindRiver scope, and I still have trouble finding trace and reading mirage, but I attribute that to my inexperience rather than the quality of the scope.  My husband works at Badlands, and greatly prefers the Nikon scopes the school uses.  He says the glass is much better.  (He also says the WindRiver is up for sale if anyone is interested)  <chuckle>  So, my comment would be that the WindRiver is 'adequate', but the Nikon is much better, which boils down to 'ya get what ya pay for'.  I was too cheap to shell out the money for the Nikon, and figured the 'cheapie' Leupold would be just as good.  My husband was very understanding, and hasn't said 'I told you so.'  

Good luck in your search, and if you DO decide to go with the Wind River, I know where you can get one that's only a few months old at a good price...   :o)

Bunny  

Mary Duncan <GunBunnyl3@aol.com>
OK & CA, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 15:38:37 (ZULU)

Use it or suffer……..I skipped my legs yesterday and it was a bad night.

Ref: Drag Bags

I have mixed thoughts on drag bags.  Andy and I use the simple Eagle bags that just carry the rifle and a log book.  I like to have one to protect the rifle during movement and to have it to lie on when shooting.  However, I don’t like the idea of having my weapon buckled inside a bag when moving through “Injun Country”.

During a FTX last summer I was moving into a FFP with my spotter and was inside the wood line maybe 40 yards from the house (it was a LE scenario) when we heard a woman screaming and some shots fired.  There I was with my teeth in my mouth and my weapon in a bag.  We couldn’t intervene quickly.  The rifle belongs in your hands.

A possible alternative would be to carry your drag bagged rifle on your back using ALICE straps and carry a M4 in your hands.  This of course increases your load but does provide for better self defense/quick response options.

out

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 15:42:06 (ZULU)

Ed Ubinas <eubinas@hotmail.com>
Southern Pines, NC, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 15:47:44 (ZULU)

Finally got to take my PSS-based Garner rifle and new Undude Sling to 1k, and the results were quite nice. Warmed up on some metal pie plates and ground squirrels at 500, with results that brought a grin to my face. That Undude sling really works. It forces you to pay attention to your position and helps get rid of little wobbles and bumps in your hold. Buy one! Also met a nice gentleman with an AR-50 who let me kill a couple of metal plates at 500. Gents, this is a nice rifle, and it's VERY satisfying to see that 10 pound plate fly 5 feet in the air when hit!

At 1k things got interesting. My first encounter with the 1k line, aprox. 1300 local time, was less than spectacular. Wind was shifting and gusting, requiring 5 min of correction and a bit of creative holding to compensate for shifts, and still didn't do well. The rounds all went to the same spot, it's just that the spot I was shooting wasn't located on the ground squirrel! I hate wind. Decided to grab some lunch and regroup.

Returned to range @ aprox. 1530 and met up with Mike in Texas, who was just arriving. Shot at 500 for a while. At aprox. 1800 local, went back to 1k with Mike in Texas and another fine fellow named Ron and really had some fun. Wind was calmer than before, and more consistent. Warmed up on a couple of pies and squirrels, then joined Mike and Ron's attempt to hit a can of shaving cream Ron had placed on the berm. Took five tries, but I hit it and a gratifying spray of white foam erupted. To Ron's credit, he kissed the can with a round from his rifle, but it wasn't "on" enough to puncture the metal, just give it a little dent where the bullet swiped the side. The can is now sitting on my desk as a memento of the occasion.

Summary:

First, George does excellent work. Everyone I met yesterday had very flattering things to say about my rifle. Second, you do not know what you and your rifle can do unless you stretch your legs! Shoot at the longest range you can! Third, the famous saying "Dope it, Dial it, Dump it" is GOOD advice. Don't think about it too much; just shoot the damn thing!

Items of Interest:

Discovered that the first shot through my freshly-cleaned bore moves slower than the others. At 1k, this translated to the bullet striking almost 4 minutes low. Chronoed five rounds of Black Hills 175's over Mike's 35P and got +2646, -2585, E=2646, M=2620, and S=24 from my 24" Rock 5R 1-11" tube. That 2585 was the clean-bore shot. Is this a common occurance? Was also dissapointed by the chrono results. I had been hoping for more velocity from that Rock barrel, somewhere close to 2700.

Mike's Shilen rifle is very nice! Chronoed five rounds of my BH175 through his tube and the velocity went up about 75fps and the spread narrowed considerably versus my rifle. That Shilen barrel is a keeper. I'm jealous. Also has a very nice Shilen trigger that is SOOOOOO smooth. It breaks at 3.5 lbs, but feels lighter than that. I mean, it is great!

Tried some of Mike's 155 grain handloads through my tube and they shot a full 5 minutes flatter at 1000 yards than my BH175's. Wind deflection was identical. Accuracy was noticably diminished versus my BH175's, though.

Equipment used:

George Garner rifle built on PSS stock, trued action, SSG knob, 24" Mike Rock 5R 1-11", Badger recoil lug, MarineTex bedded, Decelerator Pad, Harris BRM-S pod (with Pod-Loc and Speedy Knob), Badger 20 MOA base and Max-50 rings, Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10x40 M3, Undude sling, Black Hills 175 grain match ammo, BlackHawk Russ Clagett shooting mat/soft case.

Big thank you to Mike in Texas for use of Chrono, some great conversation, and a big chickenfried steak dinner! It was damn good to see you again, compadre. It's been way too long.

Roger C. <madeditor75@hotmail.com>
Austin, TX, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 15:50:14 (ZULU)

 You all are quite right.  I gotta find a way to vent.  Stuck here in the hospital with no one else to turn to, I just put my thoughts on this thread, and it helped a bunch to just express them even if it was just a short note.  Good therapy.  My wife is here now reading everyone's thoughts and prayer's over my shoulder, and she has tears in her eyes.  She knows good people a mile away, and you all have passed muster with her.  Having her read this is sorta like bringing her to deer camp...well, almost.  

 Hogs, once I get the family in the clear (or at least stable), I will come back to posting.  I am building a range (on temporary hold) that I can get at least 600 yds on, maybe 1000yds if we can clear the house safely to the left.  My wife is LE, and once we go hot, I will pass on an "open invite" for any who get up this way.  Call it selfishness because I know I can learn tons from any of you!  Until then, I am leaving the safe locked, the boolits boxed, and the little one "front and center."  

I will stay up on my reading, and thanks for all the kind words, thoughts and prayers.  They meant much to me and my wife.

Joe

Joe Mahon <joseph.mahon@usarec.army.mil>
Eau Claire, WI, US of A - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 18:42:14 (ZULU)

Around 1985-86 we (USMC SSIS) got a sample from Eagle and started playing with them.  In my mind the "Drag bag" could be used to carry the sniper gun when moving to and from the ORP.  If the guy carrying the sniper rifle can tote an M4 or MP5 or someshit then go fer it.  Sniper rifle is next to worthless in a fire fight but that just another extra weapon to be toting around.

Never stalked with a full sized bag.  Caught lots of students draggin one around through.  Its like dragging a Iowa class battleship behind ya.  Remember "school" stalks are just that, school exercises.  In real life you will want your rifle out and ready to go.  One of the undudes muzzle and scope protectors shoud be all you need.

GOoch out

Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 20:07:50 (ZULU)

William M. ..... How much is cheap? Weather resistant, accurate, inexpensive (in my mind), very available, and fool proof in my experience - the Ru..Ru...Ruger 10/22 stainless synthetic. And lots of serious upgrades available if you wanna go nuts later. I won't tell you about stuff I've never owned -no hearsay from this corner. But I've had one, a checkered walnut Sporter model since 1976, only cleaned it about half-dozen times since it was new, it's never skipped a beat with any of about twenty brands of ammo that I've fed it! Have an old (all-steel, El Paso built) Weaver K4 on it with the steel Redfield rings.

Dale Weiss..... sub-moa sounds like magic on a Romak3. I sure can't recommend any loads to you, but how about you telling me what load you're using to get that kind of accuracy? I have a real nice Soviet M91/30 PU sniper that I'd love to get better accuracy from!

ALAN

ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, CO, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 20:08:19 (ZULU)

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 20:18:00 (ZULU)

To you, your wife, the little princess and the rest of the family, all the best - you are in our prayers.  May God be with you in this time.

I've never been there, or nowhere close - well maybe I was.  With our first son's birth.  Initial tests indicated a possibility of Downs syndrome.  We went for the next tests - amniosynthesis (sp?) - which would prove conclusively yes or no.  Those four days I NEVER EVER want again in my life, nor do I wish them onto my worst enemy, let alone a friend.  Those four days really brought us closer to the Lord again (my wife is a minister), but were the four worst days of my life.

Marnus is seven now, will be eight in November - grade two.  Like his dad he is not very athletic, but gets along.  But with his mind there is nothing wrong - on the contrary, he is quite a brainy young lad.

I cannot say that your current ordeal will have the same result, but what I can say is that, if you spend that time with the Lord, you will come out the other end a better person.

God Bless

Marius

Marius <webmaster@snipercountry.com>
- Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 21:29:02 (ZULU)

Also agree with Gooch on the muzzle protector and scope pad.  This works just fine and makes the shooter carry his weapon protected as he should.  Not drug behind him as some piece of meat.

Gooch - The Redfield Accutrak 3x9 I am assuming (opps an a** of you amd me).  Zeroed at 500 and held for range after ranging with the 19 inch indicators near the top and read off the paddle on the bottom?  If so, have used and them and liked them a lot more then that ART crap.

Have sent an article to Marius with a slide show depicting mils and how to read them.  This will include the Army and Marine dots.  Will add to the article with holds for range, wind, leads for movers etc if the interest is there.  This article only touches on it and there are several techniques we use as well as the rest of the world.

Hold Hard Guys.  Marius said it may take a bit to get them on line so do not bug him and play nice guys!

Rick <rbowcher@aol.com>
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 21:50:29 (ZULU)

Dale Weiss <dweissmtnman@aol.com>
Bethlehem, pa, usa - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 21:58:21 (ZULU)

I'd think that given the choice, grazing or suppressive fire is much more effective when using an full automatic weapon such as the M60 or 240G.  

What are you shooting through that thing?  Is it the Silver tip surplus, PMP, handloads or the new comercial loads?

FatBoy...

Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 22:07:57 (ZULU)

Rick, I am looking forward to your slideshow and there is an interest in the other topics as well.

Keith

Keith <keith37f20@excite.com>
They are calling for a chance of snow here tonight. That's just not right., - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 22:20:41 (ZULU)

Like everyone else, I'm thinking of you and yours.

matt wolf <greenscove@hotmail.com>
Mascarene, NB, Canuckland - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 22:21:47 (ZULU)

RE .22LR ammo:  Has anyone developed opinions on the copper coated variety?  Federal has a 30 gr variety and then I saw CCI with the 30 gr "stinger".  Is there an accuracy advantage?  The copper coated is, as the Fed Gold medal target and Remington subsonic, still 1/5 the price of the Federal "Ultra match" ($99 per 500).  Thanks for any experience shared.

Dave <weldedwelk@twave.net>
- Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 22:37:54 (ZULU)

Best of wishes to you and your family, take care

Kush out

Kush <matchking175@hotmail.com>
Pensacola, Lower Alabama, - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 22:49:52 (ZULU)

Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 23:29:24 (ZULU)

I have quite a handfull of checks to process from friday and saturday. I will post the results later this evening. It's gettin pretty close.

ken hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 23:58:08 (ZULU)

I chronoed the black hills 175 grain bullets at 2600 fps exactly with an extreme spread of 3 fps for 5 shots out of my Schneider 24 inch match barrel.  I also hoped the velocity would be higher but with that low standard deviation I can't argue.  

Drag bags

Thanks for all the comments guys, they were along the same lines as I was thinking.  

However I think I am going to try using a drag bag this year for deer hunting, just to try it out.

Gooch

The rifle cover BDU cover is a pretty slick idea

Nicholas Young <ynicholas1@qwest.net>
SLC, UT, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 00:12:29 (ZULU)

I would like some input from some of you who have used or shot with the Accuracy International chassis system (Fancy way of saying "stock").  I am thinking about buying one for my Rem 700.

I've already read the article in SC's "In Review" by Kevin Boland.  But a few more comments would help.  I know their expensive but I just bought a McMillan A2 for my FN and by the time I get it milled and pillar bedded the cost would be close.  \

I would appreciate any comments either pro or con.  Thanks.

Rambosky - Over...............

Larry Surretsky <rambovn@aol.com>
Kings Mtn., NC, Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave! - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 00:35:10 (ZULU)

Marty or anyone who knows. I sent my scope off to Leupold for some work, and soon will get it back.  What are the torque values for the screws on Badger rings???

Dennis Muldrew <dmuldrew@swbell.net>
OP, KS, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 00:58:22 (ZULU)

My thoughts  and prayers are with you and your family.  I can't imagine what I would do in your position, my little girl is the world to me and my wife.  God bless you all.

Nick

Nick Anzano <nanzano@mindspring.com>
- Monday, May 20, 2002, at 01:40:26 (ZULU)

Posted at precisely 0156:30

Mike

BMG Mike <bmgman@swbell.net>
- Monday, May 20, 2002, at 01:57:21 (ZULU)

Denver Judge Axes the Constitution

http://www.stanley2002.org/release5_15_02b.htm

Rambosky,

I have an Accuracy International 1.5 on order from David Barham, david.barham@ncfbins.com to replace my Rem PSS stock. What I understand about the chassis system is no bedding is required or needed. Take the stock and floorplate off the old rifle. Take out the mag well also. Slide the action onto aluminum chassis and install the action screws which are provided. You torque the two screws to 65 inch pounds (not foot pounds). After torquing the screws with torque wrench install the polymer skins with the hardware provided. These are available in either 5 or 10 shot clips.

Joe,

Most (if not all) of the Roster here, are in my definition, "fearless men." In the elements that we CAN see, we realize the possible consequences and outcome and are trained to define and defend against such. It's the fight against the unseen that strikes fear into the hearts of men. Words like leukemia and cancer bring such to mind. What Marius said is words of wisdom. Listen to him. Just as we know and are trained in weapons of the natural, the Lord has given us weapons to fight the unseen. Ephesians 6:10-18 defines what those weapons are. Imagine a Roman soldier when you read this.

We're with you soldier. Realize it's a fight....and a fight you're going to win.

Mark W

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Anyone want to sell their B&L Tactical 10X?, Texas, - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 01:58:12 (ZULU)

The torque values for the screws on Badger Rings is 35 inch pounds.

Out

tam308 <tam308@aol.com>
US of A!!!!!!!! - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 02:06:12 (ZULU)

Hang in there, Joe.

Keith, the Krieger is everything I hoped it would be.  Spend the extra bucks and get a nail-driver (I'm told they also last longer).

Rich in Bal'mer:  a Rock River AR re-done by John Holliger will get you to Master class.  I should have had one of the "Name" ARsmiths build mine before having to un-futz the damage the first 'smith did to mine (only took three seasons).

Hank, the reason I use moly is because I like it.  When shooting the Navy matches you use issued-ammo only (Mark 262 is loaded with raw 77-grain Sierra Match Kings).  Rifle can't tell the difference.  Neither can I.  

Moe, the "Distinguished Rifleman Badge" is the same title, but how you get there if military is a little harder.  Civvy or military, you can only shoot four leg matches a year (one must be the Nationals at Perry).  If a civilian places anywhere in the leg cutoff at Perry he automatically wins 10 leg points (as opposed to a military guy, who might only gain 8 points for a silver and six for a bronze finish -- to gain a leg medal you MUST finish in the top 10% of shooters firing in a leg match).  Military shooters can shoot in only one "Civilian" leg match per year (an NRA state or regional championships Excellence-in-Competition match), and even if he wins, only 10 points of the 30 required for your badge can be "civilian".

Civilian rules are in the EIC rules book at www.odcmp.org.  

Sinister Dave <mliwanag@nc.rr.com>
- Monday, May 20, 2002, at 02:21:15 (ZULU)

 We are at 49 tix unpaid. Get them payments in - get em in - get em in - get em in - get em in....

EACH PAYER RECEIVES A PAID STATUS NOTE FROM ME. IF YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED A NOTE FROM ME - THAT MEANS I HAVE NOT RECEIVED YOUR TICKET PAYMENT.

I hate to be a nag - but we need to drive this to completion - so we can get that riffle on the way to it's winner :)

thanks hawgs...

Ken

ken hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 02:37:26 (ZULU)

    Joe:  May the Lord release His healing power to your little one.  With two young children of my own, I can imagine what a trial it must be.  One thing I know.....the Lord answers prayer.  God bless.

Jerry <jtmstor@rrv.net>
Red River Valley, black dirt country, MN, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 03:03:24 (ZULU)

Don't know if you recieved my E mail or not.........I meant every word, and I will continue to lift you all up.

Hope it was recieved in the spirit intended.......

E Mail me directly, ANY time......

Two Shoes

Dos Zap

Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Monday, May 20, 2002, at 03:04:22 (ZULU)

Officer Steve from Kansas City, KS, had one in my last class and did just fine. He had to tear it down at the range and clear some trash from the bolt catch. Went back together and no zero problems at all.

That's always a plus.

Semper Fi,

Finger

jim reifinger <ironhawk308@ec.rr.com>
Jacksonville, NC, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 04:13:34 (ZULU)

Joe, I can’t begin to imagine what you must be going through right now.  Faith and the courage drawn from that faith is what must be relied upon.  We are your friends and although I’ve never met you or your little “Princess” know that we’re with you in this and wish we could do more than just say that.

I think that any Dad worth his salt would step in and take a bullet for his kids.  I’m sure you feel that way.  The horribly frustrating thing about this kind of attack is there is little you can do other than stay strong and keep the family focused and together.  Cry when you need to Joe.  Talk to someone.  Then do what you’ve been doing all along.  Be her Dad.

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 05:07:06 (ZULU)

Joe, I can’t begin to imagine what you must be going through right now.  Faith and the courage drawn from that faith is what must be relied upon.  We are your friends and although I’ve never met you or your little “Princess” know that we’re with you in this and wish we could do more than just say that.

I think that any Dad worth his salt would step in and take a bullet for his kids.  I’m sure you feel that way.  The horribly frustrating thing about this kind of attack is there is little you can do other than stay strong and keep the family focused and together.  Cry when you need to Joe.  Talk to someone.  Then do what you’ve been doing all along.  Be her Dad.

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 05:07:09 (ZULU)

I have four teenagers, all healthy thank God. In my 23 years in LE I have seen my share of death and hardship, as have many others. It is especially difficult when children are the ones who are hurting. My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family. Vent here as you need to, you are not alone.

Take care!

Lt. Rob Opp

Robert Opp <ropp@state.nd.us>
Jamestown, ND, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 05:29:32 (ZULU)

Gizmo <ssn581@teleport.com>
Beavercreek, OR, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 06:40:36 (ZULU)

 All I can say is thanks to you all; I was operating in the crisis mode yesterday, and I forgot "faith and hope."  You each have pushed my thinking back where it needs be--back in this fight, with a clear objective.  I now have hope.  This cancer can be beat, and we will now beat this thing.  The success stories I recieved in email were right on time.  You know who you were, and I thank you much.  I needed hope, and hope I now have!

 I will always remember the gratitude in my wife's eyes as she read today's postings.  Her spirit is back to her usual optimistic self, and she is knocked over by you all and your concern.

 We will fight this and win, then I will teach my little girl how to shoot.  

 When the time comes guys, I will need advice on how to instruct her properly so she doesn't inherit any of my bad habits!!

May God bless each of you,

(and may he forgive me for getting a bit angry with him yesterday)

Joe

Joe Mahon <joseph.mahon@usarec.army.mil>
Eau Claire, WI, US of A - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 07:58:29 (ZULU)

out

G.W

Gavan Willis <gwillis@simplex.net.au>
- Monday, May 20, 2002, at 10:20:34 (ZULU)

Just a heads up, the deal's been done, the papers are(finally) signed, I'm off to the land of bagpipes n' drums.  Take care of the useless barrel info while I'm out, 'lito, and Murphy, keep an eye on Sodak for me, eh?!!!

Peter Lincoln:

looks like I'll be there by June, it's a damned miracle.

later

JR

JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
almost across the pond, - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 10:39:33 (ZULU)

But I went to the woods before work today to check on my corn piggy bait that i'd layed, looks like the big ole boar was at it, most of the corn was gone and there where some big fresh piggy prints in the earth 25 days to large boar opening day..

JR dude, so your gettin ready to jump the pond eh, I'm sure you will enjoy the land of Bagpipes,Tartan and Malt Whiskey, not to mention the wild life and hunting, the fish and chips and the beer. Looking forward to makin your aquaintance, you will wish you brought your dog !! and i bet I get you interested in stalking a few Roe Deer !!

Pete L

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 12:10:09 (ZULU)

Badger ring torque update. 15 inch pounds is the correct torque limit.

I gave it from memory not from my Badger box. Sorry for the mis information.

TonyM

tam308 <tam308@aol.com>
US of A!!!!!!!! - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 12:22:17 (ZULU)

Marius; I can't believe that minisniper is 7 awready! Time is truly a fleeting thing!

Rick; Looking to read your artickle!

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
where the jet stream meets the sage. - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 13:03:38 (ZULU)

Anyway, here's an idea that I used for a protective sleeve for a sniper rifle.  Lessee if I can make this make sense.

Take a XL pair of cammie trowsers.  Take one leg and invert it and shove it inside of the other leg sinch down the leg ties.  Run a piece of 550 cord through the belt loops to close off the top end.  If you have a hand awl you can sew up the crotch area.

Make sense???  Damn...I'll try taking some pictures....but anyway it works!  It gives you a scabbard with pockets outside and inside...probably just cornfused the lot of you huh???

Its been a long day....

Joe.  Been through some shit in my life too and all I can say is have faith and hang on.  Life can be a rollercoaster so don't forget the good times for the bad.  My philosophy has been that life is like shooting in a rapidly changing wind.  Sometimes all you can do is shoot down the middle and hope for the best.

Out

Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 13:56:44 (ZULU)

"Just re-read my last post and it had more errors in grammer and spelling than my last email from snot-bro Rick.  Jeeze."

Like any of us are going to notice :).

The description of  the "protective sleeve" is great.  In fact I'm going to make one up.  I have the mom-in-law visiting for the next 6 weeks and I'll give her the sewing duty (this way I don't have to curse and I'll retain the use of my fingers).  

I'll report back on the outcome.

Nick

Nick Anzano <nanzano@mindspring.com>
Milton, NJ, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 14:33:24 (ZULU)

You and your familiy are in my thoughts.  I wish you all the best.

JR,

Don't listen to Pete.  The fish & chips in Scotland are crap.  Becareful what you eat if you don't want to suffer life long heart problems, they deep fry EVERYTHING; pies, pizza, chocolate bars in batter (no joke).  And the beer, well if you like carbonated pi$$ you'll love it;-)  I lived in Scotland for 3 years and loved every minute, the land and the hunting was (is) terrific, but one of the few things that made my move south a little easier was the knowledge of being able to get decent fish & chips and plenty of good Indian restaurants (few and far between in rural Scotland and when you find one you will need a loan to pay). But God I still miss the place, think about it every day.  Which part you going to and are you going stalking?

Jon

Jon Beardsley <jon@sgreadan.fsnet.co.uk>
- Monday, May 20, 2002, at 14:52:51 (ZULU)

I heard you mention no flank, no enemy to confront directly... I suggest you look at it differently... Medical science is not as exact as many believe.. Decisions made by your little girl's doc are gonna make a difference on how things play out... With some resolve, you can ramp up to speed and double check all those decisions.. Ask questions, ask LOTS OF QUESTIONS, keep asking questions until everyone you encounter knows there is a question brewing.

Keep notes (yes, I mean write things down!) and check consistency from day to day...ask for details on the treatment plan and contingency.  

Jim Mitchell aka medicjim

Jim Mitchell <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Monday, May 20, 2002, at 15:30:20 (ZULU)

Im in the middle of emailing you Jon.

Pete L

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 15:34:25 (ZULU)

ALAN

ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, CO, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 16:42:57 (ZULU)

That made sense.  Do you sew the cuff closed?

CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
- Monday, May 20, 2002, at 17:14:25 (ZULU)

I found on my C-24 that using Medium-long trousers that all but the last couple of inches on my buttstock got covered up.

Out here.

Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 17:54:05 (ZULU)

I found on my C-24 that using Medium-long trousers that all but the last couple of inches on my buttstock got covered up.  Editors note:  I said BUTTSTOCK not BUTTOCKS by the way.

Out here.

Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 17:54:06 (ZULU)

Took off after the Allegheny match and went on a hog hunt in SC with myson Brock and Rod Hansen, last sunday thru Wed..

Hunting was on a large, 5000 acre, plantation..Hunting from stands was OK but went over a slough to an island in the Savannah River to see where the hogs layed up during the day..Thick cover, very snaky..

Moved some hogs on the initial recon Tues. eve. but never did see them.  Temp. was down to 40 on thursday morning{snakes less active} so Rod and I went over and tried still hunting them in the thick stuff..Moved some, but again didn't see any except a couple of small ones.  Policed up Brock and he went with Rod to be dropped of in an opening while Rod and I circled through the thick brush and grass again, just like jumping rabbits..Worked like a charm..Had a big one get up about 15 yards from me and hammered her with my 444 Marlin carbine..3 of 5 300gr. Hornady XTPs connected..450lb. sow..She hung out the back of a Toyota pickup when loaded..Took 5 guys to drag her.

Going in after them was REAL exciting!!!!!

outa here

Markwell <markwell@hardynet.com>
The Alleghenies, WV, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 18:13:13 (ZULU)

Joe you and your family will be in my prayers.

Getting a new mutt soon. (Well, its from the number two German Short Hair bitch in the country. So, not really a mutt.) May give him the handle Sniper Mutt II if no one objects. My wife may but we will cross that bridge when we get there.

Dirty Steve, waiting for Ken to send me my stick, OUT

Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 18:50:28 (ZULU)

HDR <hprudisell@aol.com>
OK, - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 20:18:15 (ZULU)

Fried mars bars?  sheesh, never heard of that, we freeze 'em here.  I guess we have fried ice cream here, maybe it's the same premise.  I'll be all right just as long as they serve meat n' potatoes in some form or another, hah.. And you don't notice the difference in beer after the first 6 anyway, eh..

The pooch is gonna watch over the SoDak hunters this year, she'll keep an eye on Dad for me, when I get settled I'll train a new pup, no biggie..

I've been notified that I may get the chance to pray at the hallowed grounds of Bisley ..  Am I far enough East where I should consider rebarrelling with left hand twist barrels ;-)?  OOooohh, there's a good thread 'lito, "Left hand vs Right hand twist"---JUST KIDDING GEORGE!!!

Oh, and Pete, I guess I can ship my rifles/shotguns under his dealer's license, so that worked out OK.  Might send some of my spare parts too, got a 40x action,  a rusted up model 70 with no bolt, along with a box full of other assorted goodies..  I wonder if I shouldn't ship a tap and die set, perhaps some other tools which seem to be cheaper and easier to find here in the states

Now I gotta figure out how to get an IDP (Int'l drivers permit), anyone have any idea on the best way to go about that?

catch youse guys later, eh

JR

JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
almost across the pond, - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 20:37:44 (ZULU)

I dont know about everyone else but I agree with Alan. I would look into a Ruger 10-22 I have owned one that My dad gave me some time in the early 70 s . I have never had any problems with the way it functiones and I honestly have no idea how many 1000s of rounds was put through it, but i can say a bunch. I dont think you would go wrong with this choice.

Ron <bladehand256@aol.com>
Canon, Co, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 20:39:25 (ZULU)

You and your family are in our prayers.  Read your post to my wife and she got all choked up too.  Will pray for the rapid recovery of your little princess and for strength to you and your wife.  Don't hesitate to drop me a note if you need to vent.

Doc

Doc Holloway <docs@fidnet.com>
The muddy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 20:53:54 (ZULU)

Sinister Dave <mliwanag@nc.rr.com>
- Monday, May 20, 2002, at 22:01:53 (ZULU)

My prayers are with you, your family, and especially your special little girl. Six years ago, my wife and I were told that our unborn child was going to be born with a birth defect. At that time the severity was unknown.  It was the worst four months of my life. With a lot of our prayers, prayers from family, friends, and strangers we survived.  Our son was born, and after many surgeries, he leads a very normal life. God holds a very special place in his hart for children, and there is no doubt he will do the best for your little girl.  My little guy is here with me as I type this. I explained to him what I was writing, and he said a prayer out loud. He told me to tell you that he will say a prayer for your little girl every night until she is better.  Let GOD bring your heart peace and your little girl Health.

God Bless Your Family !

Jim Abbott <jaa.jr@verizon.net>
Flower Mound, Texas, USA - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 22:10:54 (ZULU)

Go to the next fastest powder in the line... H-4895.  That will get you up there.  It's just like Varget (all the nice tempreture stable features, and easy to clean)... Varget is a tad slow for the 155.

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Monday, May 20, 2002, at 23:03:55 (ZULU)

I've got some loaded up waiting for velocity tests.  Based on what I've read here I guess I should pull 'em and give up on the Varget.  The rounds with 47 grains are compressed and I had to really crunch them to get the pill seated.  What H-4895 load should I start with?  What is a reasonable expectation for velocity from a 26" Hart?  I'm hoping for nearly 2900 fps maybe 2850.

Ref: Maui

I'm done with business today and will have to hang around a couple more days to rest up for the trip home.  These business trips are so tiring you know. ;-)

Ref: FNFAL

My M-444 rifle should be at the shop waiting for me when I get home.  I'm looking forward to shooting it.  Do any of you Hawgs have any experience with this particular breed?

out

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 00:00:06 (ZULU)

Joe, my prayers go out for your daughter and your family.  Having bad things happen to you is nothing like the pain of having them happen to the people you're responsible for.  Stay strong, God bless.  Semper Fidelis...Ken M  

Ken M <target1371@aol.com>
IL, USA - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 00:14:27 (ZULU)

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 00:49:07 (ZULU)

'yote Bate...

One of the (many) joys of running a Macintosh, is that it 99.99% virus proof!

:))

I am now getting 10 to 15 infected e-mails a day (plus all the money offers from the dumb Afrikans (not you, Marius ;)

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 01:37:18 (ZULU)

Am I the only one here left in the dark??  You movin' you're pipe makin' expertise to the land of Hagis??  Who the hell would wanna eat sheep stomach? They may not let you leave ya know...

Hell, Pete L's been waiting so long for his Heym Pipe, I'm ready to lay odds now that I need to rebarrel my yet unfired 6.5x284 before he takes delivery ;)

If I may ask, you gonna be a full service smith, or make tubes exclusivly?

FatBoy...

Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
147gr FMJ!!!! 13,987,098 dead guys can't be wrong ;)), - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 02:00:30 (ZULU)

Andys Dad, I got 2828fps from a 24" barrel so you should get 2850 but not much more I fear. I would do as the Slayer of Felines suggests and go to H4895. It will probably get us were we want with less aggrivation.

Dirty Steve, Out.

Edited:::: THE SUPER GLUE THING WAS A JOKE

Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 02:15:38 (ZULU)

Lito'; I guess that's what you call a natural immunity! You point is well taken.

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 02:27:59 (ZULU)

Steve Egeline <nsege@centurytel.net>
Lakeview, OR, USA - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 03:12:33 (ZULU)

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 04:09:56 (ZULU)

The ignorant need to wake up and realize what they have and what they can lose.

THANKS RICHARD AND EVERYONE ELSE!!!

I would like to suggest people read the book Unholy War by Randall Price.  This has much info on the mid-east and what the world faces.  We cannot have peace with those that do not want peace and, in fact, want the total take over of the planet.

All the best,

Rick

Rick Fiero <rafiero@mindspring.com>
Greenbrae, Ca, USA - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 04:18:10 (ZULU)

On the leopould subject, what model is the lowest in price that I could use for long range shooting? That would give me the elevation that is needed for 1000yd shots? My Weaver I had to shim one block to get on at this distance.

I am also confused on the mildot theory I thought that the mildot only worked to range with at 10 power, but I read now that you range with it at the highest power on the scope,which way is right?  

Ron B <bladehand256@aol.com>
Canon, Co, USA - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 04:35:21 (ZULU)

Still alive and kickin'...

Want to try the 155 Scenar as soon as I can get a few...

With 2K of 175's on hand I hardly need to switch, but enquiring minds want to know.

Wonder what the 155's would do out of my .300 Win Mag when finished? Hmmm...

Talked with "Sierra Echo" last night. Things are going well for him and we should be hearing from him fairly soon. It's been an ordeal for him. Sounds like a six beer story to me.

All for now. Stay safe and hold hard.

Semper Fi,

Wes

Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 05:51:00 (ZULU)

I'll be employed by Border Barrels, under a real heads up guy in the firearms/barrel biz, Dr. Geoffrey Kolbe.  As far as being a full-out gunsmithing shop, I really won't know the full capacities of the place until I set foot, but I should be back on-line shortly after arrival and might have a little more insight by then.

One of the first things I will look at is customer availability, I don't know if that is a problem with Border like it is with Heym, I highly doubt it, but I don't know the production scenario.  Customer availability is key.

Haggis?  we don't need no steenking haggis!  I don't know what would be worse, haggis, chitlin's, or fried mars bars...  I suppose you gotta try it before you knock it.

Oh, and thanks for the emails on the IDP guys, my travel agent gave me the heads up on AAA.  Is there nothing those travel agents can't do?  so damned smart are they

later

JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
almost across the pond, - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 05:53:24 (ZULU)

Joe I am slow to pray but did so for you and your family.  All my best hopes and wishes.

JR great to hear. Border is a good bbl and you will do well.  Good luck.

On Drag bags. Damm I look at them like vests.  Love to play with them and try them on but when I get down and serious I want the "Travel Light Freeze at night" thing to go with.  I cant eat it. Shoot it. Drink it. Find my way with it or signal help with it. Do I really need it?  I use a sack like Gooch talked about or get ahold of Desert Specialties for a sack/drag bag for about 40-50.00.  For admin carry and police type things where I may need to lie on hot tar/roof I take a bag/mat combo built by Jerry Copeland.  It is light, carries my essentials and folds out to a mat.  Also drag well and is not a battle ship. Jerry is on here daily and most of you should get one.

Lastly, I heard about the article by Mike Haugen. A great guy but damm Mike a Mil is the same in both the Army and USMC scopes. Most of the dots are different shaped but the Mil Spacing is the same.  If they were not you would need different formulas. I say most are different shaped because when I was at pendelton last week several Marines had round dots in the scopes.  I swear it so that will throw you.

Undude/Mike

Mike Miller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
CA, - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 06:15:28 (ZULU)

First, buy the best scope that you can't really afford. You'll thank me later.

Second, all variable scopes are different. Leupold 3.5-10X scopes range accurately at 10X, the 6.5-20X also do so at 10X (unless they have changed it), the 4.5-14X do so at 14X.

As to other brands, I am not that knowledgeable. I have had reports of certain cheaper scopes that had 14X reticles installed in variables that only went up to 12X......pray that your competitors in UKD matches are using those particular scopes.

Depends on the calibration of the reticle installed. Only the manufacturer can tell you (or you can do the procedure [4" @ 111 yds.] described by Gooch a few days ago.)

Or, you can make a target consisting of two vertical parallel lines 7.2" apart, set it out at 100 yds., and go back to the bench and turn the power selector ring until the lines on the target exactly bisect the dots on either side of the crosshairs. That's two mils, which is what the 7.2" is worth at 100 yds. (Yes, for BOTH Army and USMC reticles!) Mark your power selector ring at that setting.

Best Regards,

Bruce

Bruce N. Robinson <bnrobins@flash.net>
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 06:39:18 (ZULU)

(sort of long post follows - scroll past if you know you're in good standing).

We're down to 29 unpaid tickets.... Here are their numbers:

2002.05.05.034

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2002.05.05.054

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2002.05.05.268

2002.05.05.269

We are planning to have the drawing this weekend..... If you have not paid - you might want to strap a rocket on your envelope and get it in purdy quick (or do the paypal thing).

thanks!

ken hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 10:48:46 (ZULU)

thanks again,

Semper Fi

ken hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 11:59:14 (ZULU)

Two Shoes

Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 12:31:56 (ZULU)

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 12:53:31 (ZULU)

Joe-  I can only imagine what you're experiancing.  I know the stress I have because my six year old step son has major migraine problems and nobody can figure out why.  He is getting ready to start a bank of tests that sound awful.  Your ordeal must be unbearable.  Keep in the bubble and keep going forward.  Positive thinking does work...so keep thinking !! There's alot of "fearless men" here behind you all.  God bless.      

Well everybody the gun that goes twang (the 300 WM Sendero that had a horrible spingy sound) don't anymore.  The new stock seems to have fixed it and it's all quiet on the western front.  I finished the Devcon bedding job cleaned it up to look pretty and I'll take it for another test run Thursday.

Hmmmm I Just got offered a NIB in the wrap Loopy M3LR mildot for $600  I don't need it at all....but I think I will =)

Take care all,

Joe S.

Joe S. <spojoehpd@aol.com>
Gloomy San Diego, PRC, USA - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 12:58:17 (ZULU)

My prayers are with you and your family.  Be strong and have faith my friend.

Sinister,

Congratulations!!!!!!!!

Are you going to be at Butner next month?

I look forward to shooting with you guys again.

S/F

Paul <paulcockerham@att.net>
VA, USA - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 13:15:50 (ZULU)

Let's hear a big round of applause for our typical govt. stance : http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,53315,00.html

Shooting down the passenger airliner is much better that letting the copilot shoot a hijacker.

Disgusted, as is far too common these days, John out.

John <john@leveron.com>
Fricking typical, U.S. of A. - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 15:40:08 (ZULU)

Scotland is full of sheep, and haggis was invented to destroy evidence. you guys can work that one out for yer selves.

Border Barrels will do barrel change work as far as I know, but i don't know if they extend their service past that.

JR make sure you have a day or two for some hunting, Im still planning on going over to the UK at the end of June, but this damn house is swallowing all my cash at the moment plus the fact that the B%$#@tard insurance company of the damn Kamikaze Kraut that wrecked my Jeep last October still haven't paid up more than 50% of what they owe me, and ive paid the repairs out of my own pocket (and blown the engine since)which has severly dented my hunting and toys fund, Im in the process of taking the gits to court for the cash, hence maybe the june trip will fall flat like the April trip did. But the August trip is a Definate 100% and it looks like there will be an October trip to catch the back end of the Roe Buck season and the best part of the Red Stag season.

Ive got 5 guys comming over from the UK this Thursday to shoot some German pigs in the woods where Marco and Jon didn't see any, and if the weather holds they should have a good weekend, Ive got two more groups for the full moon at the end of June and July. so i am busy as hell at work and at home and in the woods.

Kevin,Whats a M444 would that be a lever action Marlin???? by any chance.

Pete L

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 15:51:50 (ZULU)

I feel your pain man. My newest young'n spent the first two weeks of her life in NICU in one hospital while the wife was in another hospital rcovering from c-sect. I was driving 200 miles a day between hospitals....thoughts and prayers are with you.

Sinister.... congrats dude! That's doing it the hard way! I don't know if I'm gonna make it to Perry this year but from the email I've exchanged with other HOGS it appears that we're getting a bit of a contingent of highpower shooters here. We'll all have to go have a steak and brew some evening.....

Steve - hockyref <s_uhall@riflemen.net>
old dog tired from moving my stuff, confusion, usa - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 15:52:11 (ZULU)

Are you moving over here long term, or just on a fixed term contract?  I live not too far from the Borders and if you are ever wanting to take a look around the Lake District and the Forestry ground there in please don't hesitate to get in touch.  There is a spare bed here, or plenty of B+Bs if you prefer.  Get in touch anyway, it would be nice to meet another Rosterfarian.  The FC also offers client stalking for bucks and the odd trophy stag.

I have spoken to Pete and he assures me the fish & chips are good in the Borders as well as the beer.  They must have more refined tastes than I have witnessed north of Glasgow ;-)  And the Haggis season doesn't start till the 21st October, so you will have plenty of time to practice your movers for those tricky wee beasties.

All the Best

Jon    

Jon Beardsley <jon@sgreadan.fsnet.co.uk>
- Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 16:19:31 (ZULU)

  Been off line for awhile sounds like your moving. Will hate to see you leave but wish you the best. I know they will be getting a good man over there, keep in touch if you can.

Joe..

  I can't imagine anything worse than the fear of loosing a child. I have went through hell with my wifes cancer and can understand some of what your going through. We have learned to live life a day at a time and take each one as a gift. My thoughts and prayers will be with you also.

Pat <mrbullet@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 16:35:51 (ZULU)

I was wondering if you knew if Mark got called out on that hostage stand off at the bank today. I was watching it on MSNBC but couldn't see anything really well. I was trying to see if they showed the snipers setting up but couldn't see or maybe I jjust missed it because I had to go out during it. Were you working?

Rob01 <customrem700@aol.com>
- Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 17:46:53 (ZULU)

"Scotland is full of sheep, and haggis was invented to destroy evidence. "

hmmmm....don't think I want to know what that is supposed to mean, hahah..  TMI (too much info) Pete..    

I'll have plenty of time to roam the countryside, don't worry about that.  I'm sure there will be transition period after arrival where I'll have to clamp down, get acquainted with the fellow workers and the production,  no problemo.  After that, it'll be pretty casual, I think everyone there has time to do their thing.

Jon,

I'm not on a fixed term contract other than the length of the work permit, which we can extend if necessary.  In other words I'll be there a while.  And it would be great to meet with ya, maybe if Pete gets back we can all get together, drink a few pints, tell some lies..

Pat,

It would be nice if I could convince 'em to go to Gilette for the D&L shoot.  One thing I like is my residency remains in SD, so maybe next year I can plan a few trips back to hunt, check up on a few dog towns, and catch up with friends, which includes you bud.  By the way, could you email me your address??

later folks

JR

JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
almost across the pond, - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 18:31:29 (ZULU)

A M-444 is a FN FAL pattern Self Loading Rifle "The World's Right Arm".  It's built on a IMBEL receiver and is of the metric pattern.  It is 7.62mm etc.........can't wait.....still stuck here on Maui....this job is killing me....ouch!

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 19:43:53 (ZULU)

Know what your going thur Man. Lost my stepson 6 years ago, was hit on his bicycle. He was in the hospital 3weeks and just lost my wife to Colon Cancer Dec. 30th.The sitting and waiting for the next test and all the information being thrown at you all at once. And you having the feeling you have no control over anything thats going on let alone seeing you little going thur it.

Best advise has aready been given, Pray, And write everything down and ask lots of questions even if you think they may sound stupid. It's your baby girl there and nothing is stupid.

Just be Daddy to your little girl thats all she needs right now, She's tough, kids seem to have alot more hope then adults do.

My wife always told me, LIVE,LAUGH,LOVE so do that espicially the laugh part hospitals suck anyway. Tell your wife Cops here in Iowa are with her we'er a tight family as she knows. My little ones 9and 6 are praying for your little one every night.

Next advise I can give is don't eat anything that has gray poured on it in the hospital cafiteria. Still not sure what I ate at JC Lincoln hospital in Nebraska, then again do I want to know? At least they had Crispy Creams. Cops can't live on food alone got to have the POWER RINGS!

Take care of yourself man,  

Durand Wilson <wilsondl@fmctc.com>
- Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 19:52:49 (ZULU)

Dale Weiss <dweissmtnman@aol.com>
Bethlehem, pa, usa - Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 22:40:23 (ZULU)

What's the latest on your new M24 sling?  Is this going to be for a tactical rifle or a new CQB type?

Moe

Moe Mensale <mjmensale@aol.com>
Boca Raton, FL, US of A - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 00:34:58 (ZULU)

Thanks Chris

chris <ewok126@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 03:17:47 (ZULU)

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 04:36:06 (ZULU)

 Someone or a bunch of someones on the roster just got nominated for saint-hood.  Two dozen Pink Roses strapped to a Teddy Bear's back just landed in my baby's room here in the hospital.  Signed "SC Duty Roster."  OK, I was tracked to my hide site rather quickly by the pros...I can't help but laugh at any one so stupid as to mess with this crowd with those computer viruses.  Any one throwing a virus at this crowd has a serious death wish.  Good job in finding the right grid coordinate, whoever you were.  I am both impressed and seriously humbled by this gesture.  Nicole is now clutching that bear and is fast asleep...

(I wonder if Ted E. Bear could have carried all that weight in the new MOLLE ruck?)

 Here's to my 1SG; the guy has taken the reigns and relieved me of ALL work related worry--and he put my company in the regional number one slot.  That'll keep the brass off our backs--and I can truly focus on "being her daddy" as Andy's Dad advised (good advice sir--when you cannot do anything else, you can always do that).  My work is not going to be an issue for a while.

 As for living, loving and laughing...gotta do that to!  I forgot that I ordered my FN-SPR last week.  Someone remind me to get that stick in a couple of days.  Heck of a thing for me to just forget about, now that I have thought about it...

 Best news for last--we have qualified for a furlough.  The Docs are sending us into out-patient early.  We should be released from the hospital tomorrow afternoon, pending her reaction to this L-Peg nasty poison.  If she handles it (bad reactions are instantaneous) without a problem then off we go back to the farm.  Our other two kids need us too, and Nicole is ready to get back in her own bed.  Just ask her!  

She has soldiered through some serious pain, and she stands right up to the worst...I am so proud of her...and you all were right--kids are remarkably tough.  No doubt about it, she is gonna beat this...and if I remember to pick it up, she will have a SPR to "grow into"

Joe

Joe mahon <joseph.mahon@usarec.army.mil>
Eau Claire, WI, US of A - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 05:53:38 (ZULU)

AA Auction 2734282 (Ends 05/25/2002, 09:57:51 PST) Marine Corp M40A1 308 Sniper Rifle w/ Scope:

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=2734282

Gizmo <ssn581@teleport.com>
Beavercreek, OR, USA - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 06:07:31 (ZULU)

On April 29 I sent a 3x9x40 Signature scope back to Burris because it wouldn't hold zero. (I've used the scope since 1993 without any problems.) Anyway, I got the scope back on the 17th of May, 3 weeks after I sent it to them. I swear the scope looks new again, I think they re-anodized it or something cause it had marks on it that are gone now. Scope works like it's supposed to again. My cost- $10 to ship it to them. I'm impressed, and I think that when a company stands behind their product with quality service they deserve a pat on the back.

Take care!

Lt. Rob Opp

Robert Opp <ropp@state.nd.us>
Jamestown, ND, USA - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 08:46:08 (ZULU)

That would be great news if you get an early release!

God Bless. You and yours are in our prayers.

tam308 <tam308@aol.com>
US of A!!!!!!!! - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 11:05:04 (ZULU)

Most accuracy loads leave a fair amount of space it the case.  How the powder lays is of no concern.  Once the primer goes off, all the grains are lit AT ONCE.  There is enough room in my 300WM loads to hide a tuna fish sandwich, and it's a 190SMK @ 2950... the same as the military A-191 load.  I'm using standard 210M primers, and the groups are 1/3" or better

-

Giz... I might be wrong on this, but that M40A1 lookie like a hump up.

The scope is marked "10x Sniper", and that is the marking of the new made scopes from the "New" Unertl company... the old (orginal) ones were marked "M40 USMC" or something like that... the scope is NOT original!  I think the mount is bogus too.

So you figure $400 for a new stock, $2,500 for a newly made Unertl scope, $400 for a new barrel on an old action, and $200 for a refinish... $16,500 is a hell of a profit!

-

Opp-ster... they probably gave you a new scope.  Good people.

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 11:32:51 (ZULU)

There were a couple of 2112's who started a company in Fredricksburg, VA in 1984 that were building and selling "M40A1's".  They were a couple of retired guys who knew thier shit.

They got John Unertl to sell them some scopes but then the USMC got riled as they hadn't finished the USMC contract yet and shut them down.  The rifle is probably one of those guns...BUT SHIT!  19K for the thing.  IF anyonwe on this site buys that thing for 19K I will personally visit you and slap you.  Or call your mothers neighbor and have them go slap your mother for having given birth to some that stupid.

Have a nice day.

Out

Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 13:43:31 (ZULU)

Jon....you, and your family has been added to our prayer list....

JRMoore

JRMooer <utl@shentel.net>
Northern, Virginny, USofA...... - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 14:25:42 (ZULU)

I have three other new slings that will be added and have already been sold.

1. is the Slip cuff. This is a sling George Gardner has sold as "The Rock" sling with some of his rifles. The USMC 8541's liked this and I almost called it the M40A3 sling but that name leaves a bad taste in many a mouth so no joy on that.

2. The Slip Cuff System.  This is a Slip Cuff with my new CQB adapter added.  The USMC bought 100 of these for advanced testing on the M16A2.  The adapter allows the sling to convert from a slip cuff sniper sling to a patrol carry sling quickly.

3.  The Quick Cuff System.  A model Two with CQB Adapter.  I sold 100 of these to the USMC for advanced testing on the M16A2 also.

All three are available but not on the site.

M40A1 for 19500.00 Hell I would have taken it for 15,000.00 if it came with a new truck.  Give me a brake!  I had one built by McMillan.

Cat Man not sure on the scope but it is not a USMC Scope and there for only worth maybe 2500.0-3,500 on the open market if it is an original Unertal.  I think not.  It sure looks like a current model Unertal that goes for 2500.00 retail.  Stock looks original.

Undude

MikeMiller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
CA, - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 15:27:38 (ZULU)

Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 15:46:44 (ZULU)

Ken, where is my rifle......

Dirty Steve, Out

Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 16:56:43 (ZULU)

redfish <ruger2000@msn.com>
Alvin, Tx, USA - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 17:24:11 (ZULU)

We are having a cinema night at work tonight, as we have a few hours with no visibility, we've got Enemy At The Gates,Full Metal Jacket and  Pearl Harbour, this is my revenge for the damn star wars swindle at the weekend.

Pete L

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 19:58:23 (ZULU)

Just a case in point to illustrate what I'm sayin...

I was shooting 69.5 Varget in a 300 win mag. There was plenty air in there. Groups were .5 inches at 200 yards with Magnum primers. With the regular ones I was getting hang fire delay's up to 1 second and 4" groups. I think what old cat man and me both is saying is that if you get the fire lit right it don't matter where the powder is or something to that affect. I knew a sillouete pistol shooter who shot bullseye (2 grains) in his .357. Ever shot, he held the barrel up and dropped it slowly onto target thinkin he was piling up the powder near the primer hole to insure good ignition. My thinkin was that you could set bullseye to go off with lightning bolts 20 miles away but he insisted it made a difference. I shot Unique 7 grains deep and didn't take the chance.

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
where the jet stream meets the sage. - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 20:32:39 (ZULU)

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
where the jet stream meets the sage. - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 20:35:47 (ZULU)

NONE of them has a single bid. Suprise, considering such bargains.

And the seller's email address bounces messages... curious.  Maybe it's HCI or some other nefarious group trying to bankrupt a naive buyer.  Shame on them.

Caveat Emptor.

Nate Haler <natehaler@yahoo.com>
occupied, Kalifornia, USA - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 20:51:00 (ZULU)

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
where the jet stream meets the sage. - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 21:18:01 (ZULU)

Camo finish or Parkerize it? Heresy, IMHO. You can find all kinds of synthetic or cheaply finished handguns at the gunstore or pawnshop, but why degrade a classic. Unless you've been using it to mend fence.

But I'm an avid collector along with being a hunter and long-range rifle experimenter, so maybe I'm just allowing my heart to overrule my head - it wouldn't be the first time that my head's been regelated to second place by another part of my body!

ALAN

ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, CO, USA - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 21:37:00 (ZULU)

I left work at 21.00 last night, drove home and grabbed my rifle and green kit, was in the woods by 21.30, stalked to a tree stand where id thrown some corn in the grass, about 23.00 I started to hear movement in the brush, and about a half hour later, 3 dark shapes drifted across the small medow, they rooted around in the brush some more and finaly got up enough confidence to come out and feed in the open. I watched them for a while through the binos,waiting for one to move slightly to one side to give me a clear shot, finaly I got my shot, The Marlin spoke and the pig hit the deck, I didn't see it drop, them ports on that 18.5" barrel make for a right flash in the dark, I approached the spot cautiously, just incase the pig didn't know he was dead. The pig was right where i'd shot him, any how, by the time id got the pig gutted and back to the forestry commission cold store it was 01.15, back home , microwaved my evening meal and off to bed, 2 hours sleep and back to the woods before first light, stalked a fox cub this morning, but decided not to shoot, managed to spook a couple of deer when the wind changed direction, but both were heavily pregnant females and out of season, didn't see a buck at all.

That 450 marlin is the best pig stopping cartrige i've ever used or seen bieng used, I'm sure there are others that equal it, but I'm very pleased with it, now if i can just get around to converting the rifle from a straight stock into a pistol grip type stock it will be perfect.

Pete

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 22:44:02 (ZULU)

On the $20K M40A1, has anyone dropped the seller any questions about why the scope is not original USMC, why the barrel length and twist are wrong and why the muzzle crown is wrong for an original M40A1? I'd really like to hear what he has to say. He'll probably get all huffy because you are doubting him. And I thought the Chandler M40A1s were expensive! LOL The sad part is someone will probably buy it.  

Rob01 <customrem700@aol.com>
- Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 22:50:25 (ZULU)

Alan; your right of course!  It's an old one and flawless finish except this damage... with recessed cylinders that shoot 1 inch groups at 20 yards through all 6. I hadn't thought about getting it refinished by NEW SMITH. That ain't a bad Idea if they could do it right. A beauty or it was! I got to think on that!

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 01:17:08 (ZULU)

Trade it in for a Glock ;)  

Oh, and you shouldn't be jealous of Pete's hunting, he hunts at the petting zoo in south Frankfurt.  Marco says he's got a blind set up by the corn dispenser. ;))  He walks through with his wee ones during the day and picks the ones he's gonna take that night, kinda like brousing the meat section at the grocery. That should get some shat started...

FatBoy...

Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
147gr FMJ!!!! 13,987,098 dead guys can't be wrong ;)), - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 01:36:48 (ZULU)

Mr. Rogers, that S&W is completely useless now, especially since it's so antiquated that it has the recessed chambers. My best advice would be to send it to me for a top-flight refinishing. You'll like the job I do, or 110% of your money back. Oh, but it'll take me about 15 years to get it done.

Joe, been too busy to post lately, (not to mention not having anything to add), but you've been in the prayers of this household, and we MAKE time for that! Some are better at tracking you down than others, but the thoughts were there. In my time lurking, I've come to find that the family here is better than a hot shower and a chinese buffet after an ftx. We'll continue to keep you "on the list".

On powder columns, I've noticed that the fuller the case, the lower the standard deviations on my velocities with some powders. Some it doesn't matter. I think it's more a function of the powder than anything else, but that's not to be taken as gospel. All I know is that once my standard deviations for a 10 round group are into single digits, I quit playing and start shooting, assuming the velocity is where I want it.

Jaeger <Jaegerspotter@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 02:28:19 (ZULU)

Bill, seen Quigley, and i'm awaiting BHD and the Mel Gibson one. In Germany they call a war film and Anti-War film, guess its more PC thata way,

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 02:34:14 (ZULU)

LOL,,   Yup, the only boars head in my fridge is bologna, and it only scares my wife several hours after I eat it ;))  Jon, well he's just one lucky SOB,, what else can ya say ?

FatBoy...

Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
147gr FMJ!!!! 13,987,098 dead guys can't be wrong ;)), - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 02:48:05 (ZULU)

We're down to 26 unpaid tix. I have transmitted the reminder to those folks that have yet to pay for their tickets. The last day for snail mail payments is saturday 25 May. The last day for paypal payments is Sunday morning (26 May).  We will do the drawing sometime Sunday afternoon (provided my Pastor's available).

LEUPOLD WIND RIVER SPOTTING SCOPES:

The other day a note was posted here regarding the quality of the Leupold Wind River spotting scopes. Well let me tell ya. I received the two that I had planned for freebees on here at SC.

These units are very nicely packaged, the workmanship looks really good. The  optics are nice and clear. Plus it feels alittle on the heavy side (that means it's good :)

I took a few minutes and kinda scoped out the area with one. I liked what I saw. There are no odd distortions around the edge of the glass. The items of detail appear to be clear.

Now - if you gotta see yer shot holes at 600 yards or so.. then go get one of those unertl team scopes and go from there.

Otherwise - folks - for the money - these are gonna be hard to beat.

They're supposed to be waterproof. I don't know what that means - but it's one more plus.

If someone is looking for a spotting scope and not wanting to spend lots of $$ - then they should check out one of these.

Cameron Wong won the first one that I have, the other will be up for grabs shortly.

Semper Fi,

Ken  

ken hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 02:57:09 (ZULU)

broonsma@prodigy.net  ---- your email addy is no good....

ken hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 03:00:23 (ZULU)

The reason that "Pearl", got crappy reviews, is because Rosie McDonnel, and Saruh Bradski, did the reviews.....:)The LEFT wingers despise any movie, book, speech, that is anywhere close to Patriotic......heck, they can't even spell the word........not in their PERSONAL copies of Websters.......( The Alix Baldorks version"...;)))

Two Shoes

Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 03:01:16 (ZULU)

>>>>Lincoln; you get to hunt too much! I hope somebody stuck "Golden Pond" and the "Wedding Singer" and "Star Wars I" in the package instead! Scumbag!<<<<<

Or better yet, "My Best Friends Wedding" and "Steel Magnolias." That'll fix him!

Pete:

My favorite pig rifle is a Winchester Model 71 .348 Win. Rifle was made in 1937 and shoots a bottle neck cartridge that looks like an overgrown 30-30. Rifle is based on an 86 Win. action. Round barrel, half-magazine and pistol grip w/shotgun style butt plate. The front rifle sight is part of the barrel. Same ballistics as a 30-06 with a 200gr Flat Nose. That particular rifle was popular with trappers and hunters in Alaska for a number of years. An impressive hog killer too.

About Pearl Harbor:

I LOVED the movie, which means movie critics hated it. Goes without saying. The only problem....and I mean the ONLY problem I had with the movie was the *^$*&%$liberal%^%*Alec^%%^Baldwin, playing a hero like Gen. Dolittle. That was a bit much for me. I still love playing the soundtrack.

Quigley Down Under:

I had the privilege of knowing Wolfgang Droege, owner (at the time) of Shiloh Rifle Mfg., in Big Timber, MT. I can remember the excitement in his voice describing the upcoming movie with Tom Selleck and Wolfgang describing Quigley making the LR shots at the water pail. Another friend, Mike Venturino, writer with Shooting Times, also living in Big Timber, worked with Selleck prior to the making of the movie. Selleck was in Big Timber being fitted for his rifle (the rifle required a 14.5" pull-length) and while there, Mike instructed Selleck on all of the "need-to-knows" about the Sharps Rifle. Selleck told Mike that he wanted to be as authentic as possible and didn't want to make a movie that looked like another Stallone Rambo flick. The cartridge, incidentally, was a 2 7/8 Sharps (45-110). Mike told me that Selleck's first practice shots was with a 44-77 1874 Sharps and made 3 out of 4 hits @ a metal plate @ 400M. Not bad.

Mark W (Jalapeno)

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Anyone want to sell their B&L Tactical 10X?, Texas, - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 04:00:16 (ZULU)

My favorite rifle at the mo is the Marlin lever gun Ive got, maybe that will change when i get my 30-06 back on its feet, now i wonder, which packing case did i put the barrel vice exactly ???

catc y'all tonight.

Pete

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 04:35:30 (ZULU)

Ken: good stuff, I'll send you my forwarding address now to save you the effort of notifying the winner.

Two Shoes: beware of the ire of Rosie, she may take offense and sit on you. Worse yet would be if her head rested on you, although both ends appear to be the same weight.

Bill and Mark: top this for a trio of monuments to cinematic failure: Alien 3, Highlander 2, The Punisher

Jaeger <Jaegerspotter@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 05:03:48 (ZULU)

Check out these guys: http://www.checkmatecustom.com/#  for refinishing. Some of the guys here have sent their handguns to them for refinishing, they do a good job and turn around time isn't bad either, might be worth a look. They have an LE discount but you have to call and get the details.

Of course if this would be too much trouble, I could offer it a good home, and I'll even prepay the shipping. ;) ;)

Lt. Rob Opp

Robert Opp <ropp@state.nd.us>
Jamestown, ND, USA - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 05:20:05 (ZULU)

http://www.armalite.com/library/pressReleases/AR30press_release.htm

Mark W (Jalapeno)

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Anyone want to sell their B&L Tactical 10X?, Texas, - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 05:53:08 (ZULU)

Sharps 45; A friend of mine came up with a Quigley couple months back. The Ladder sight was way off probably due to the fact that he chose 45-70. We had great fun with it but I wish he had stayed with the original caliber. Nice copy anyway but it wasn't a Big Timber. It was Uberti or something.  Fun though and made nice. Weighed in like a BAR though. I've got some pix but he sold it right away darn!

Rob, thanks I'll check into the finishers. You guys are so kind to look after my baby like that for me!

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 06:21:53 (ZULU)

Wind River spotting scopes.  I bought one based on the facts that its Leupold & waterproof.  Trying to make sure you've doubled or trippled in a hole @ 200 meters may be a bit tough with my old eyes.  However, I figure not looking at water vapor in the scope in the rain is worth possibly giving up a wee bit of resolution. (Figured increased power would compensate but learned many new things about mirage!)  

WR Moore <wrmoore2001@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 06:41:16 (ZULU)

Need to buy about 1500 rounds of .308 168gr. Federal match or Black hills for Sniper training for a buddy and me. Buddy has to pay for it out of his pocket so looking for the best price. Thanks  

Durand Wilson <wilsondl@fmctc.com>
- Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 07:53:32 (ZULU)

They advertise in Shotgun News every week. They can be reached at 502-955-5014 8AM-5PM EST

Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 08:05:11 (ZULU)

Got another question you.  I know you are not supposed to oil the trigger mech as it attracts dirt and may make it function poorly, BUT how do you protect it from the rain?  I get plenty here and my rifles are usually wet at some point during the day.  Any particular product that is suitable for triggers?

Any advice will be much appreciated.

All the Best

Jon

P.S. Don't tell me any lies to knacker my trigger just because you are jealous of my job, you hear;-)

Jon Beardsley <jon@sgreadan.fsnet.co.uk>
- Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 10:50:06 (ZULU)

Armalite is making the AR30 in those calibers but they aren't out yet. My buddy who works at a gun shop placed an order for on when they came out in the review section in the American Rifleman. He ordered the .338 Lapua Mag. It was supposed to be shipped in March or April but Armalite said end of May so he's looking for it soon. His cost at the shop was $775. He was one of the first orders so if his hasn't come in yet I'm sure most haven't.

Rob01 <customrem700@aol.com>
- Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 12:22:25 (ZULU)

Is the Smith & Wesson that old .41 Mag you been scarin' children with? ;)  If so, I think us rosterfarians need to take up a collection and get it fixed for you... the local kids need the exercise ;)

Don't send it to Smith.  I took two mint M-27's (a 6" and an 8 3/8") up there in person, and told the "lady" at the customer service desk that I wanted them cleaned, oversize cylinder stops fitted, and the sears stoned... so she says they "have a flat rate" to overhaul them... good thing I asked "What's the overhaul".

She calls a guy from the back, and he comes out (looks like Wilfred Brimley, handle bar mustach and all), and he looks at the pistols and says to the lady, "These do't need no overhaul, I'll take them".

He tells me that the re-blue (that is part of the overhaul) is garbage, and will completely ruin the gun, and they can't do bluing like they used to, cuz of all the cost cutting.

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Jaegerspotter...

Pat (Mr HA!) and I have noticed just the opposite... the faster powders give lower SD's and more accuracy, and they are the ones that leave space in the case.

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Jon Beardsley...

Oil is kinda Badd for triggers (though I have been known to put a bit of G-96 on them myself)... if you are worried about rust, try a good quality of silicone ignition wire spray... it drys out and leaves an invisable coat of waterproofing that isn't oily or sticky.  But remember that they will accumulate bore cleaner, unburnt powder, crud and gunk of all sorts, so they need to be cleaned from time to time.

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Pat (HA!)...

I was cleaning my 'smithing bench today, and came across the note that you sent with the M700 trigger you sent me to overhaul three years ago.  (I clean that bench every three years whether it needs it or not! ;)

Is it still working, or did it die?

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 12:35:26 (ZULU)

>>>>>>>>>>Armalite is making the AR30 in those calibers but they aren't out yet. My buddy who works at a gun shop placed an order for on when they came out in the review section in the American Rifleman. He ordered the .338 Lapua Mag.<<<<<<<<<<<

I read the same article and that rifle had a comp just like the AR50, except sized accordingly (of course). The picture on the web site doesn't show one. I'm wondering if the .338 Lapua is as large as they can go with that action or if the .408 Chey/Tac would work as well? Might be a bit much I suspect. Overall, the rifle looks like a good idea....a mini AR50.

Mark W

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Anyone want to sell their B&L Tactical 10X?, Texas, - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 13:32:19 (ZULU)

On the gun coating, check out this guy:  http://www.shootiniron.com/

He is doing colors and even does camo now.  He has coated several of my guns, family guns, friends guns, and I think he has done some government contract work, too.  The guy is meticulous and does first rate work.  

cj

Chuck <wildearp@hotmail.com>
Leaving tomorrow, Kalifornistan, USA - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 15:47:17 (ZULU)

Well gents, my TBA ordeal is finally over.   After a short 39 month wait my rifle finally showed up.   Unfortunately in that period of time my interests have changed to Highpower and Palma, which I have rifles for, so I have no use for this one.   It's growing on me the more I handle it but I still can't justify keeping an expensive dust collector in my closet.   I am posting here to give you guys first dibs if anybody is interested.  

Thanks

Tim <Rokchukrslave@aol.com>
Portland, OR, - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 16:15:53 (ZULU)

CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
- Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 18:40:45 (ZULU)

When I went to FLETC about 9 years ago they were teaching them. I worked for DoD. Our inhouse training taught them also.

Rob01 <customrem700@aol.com>
- Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 19:58:34 (ZULU)

USMC uses them.  But there are a couple of different versions out there that vary from Coopers original 4.  

We changed "Every weapon is always loaded." to "Treat every weapon as if it were loaded at all times." for example.

Out here

Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 20:26:53 (ZULU)

Airport security still sucks by all accounts... but i won't go into details..

Pete  

Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 20:33:31 (ZULU)

Hell, I don't know the universal absolute occasionally accurate rule for that one.  But I do remember your Smith deal from back when you posted it before.  I'm really shy on factory jobs, so I'll take your advice unless I find the new outfit is different for sure.

I've got a couple of good leads on finish jobs like I was dreamin about but the pistol ain't the .41 but it has a little better finish except for the accident (shame upon me) .  It's a .44 8 3/8 hog leg I picked up a few months back but the sucker shoots real good for a Smith .44.  I've got a 27 recessed that ain't even been fired with Elliason sights (she's a babe too. Also a .22mag and a .22 unfired too. They all have the ring and no boxes but no evidence of firing at all. I hate it cause I wanna shoot em but it pains me either way.

I'm too damn old to sit around at look at em! Beautiful pieces yum!

I just thought it might be neat to have a real fancy Camo job on that ole Smith. This one old boy parkerizes the hell out of em inside and out and then does the camo on that. There's always the religion of maintaining them original or creating something out of the ordinary.

Gee's decisions decisions, now I know how George Bush feels!

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
where the jet stream meets the sage. - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 21:49:48 (ZULU)

>"I'm too damn old to sit around at look at em! Beautiful pieces yum!"<

You got that right, you ol' booger,... us "long in the tooth" types need to see guns and women just like that :)

Do it today, it may be your last chance (HA!) :)))

When your gone, the first thing they will do is shoot your brand new, virgin guns :((

Same for women critters (though they are free to shoot a few of my old ones)  ;)))

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Thursday, May 23, 2002, at 23:54:36 (ZULU)

We're down to 15 unpaid tix.... saturday evening closes the postal mail, sunday morning closes the paypal avenue.

SemperFi Hawgs...

ken hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 01:16:51 (ZULU)

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Friday, May 24, 2002, at 02:06:54 (ZULU)

Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 03:27:23 (ZULU)

Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 03:57:06 (ZULU)

>>>>Sharps 45;<<<<<

Ahh, you figured me out :)

>>>>>A friend of mine came up with a Quigley couple months back. The Ladder sight was way off probably due to the fact that he chose 45-70.<<<<

Vernier tang sights are the only way to go with those rifles. I'd dare say that all the ladder sights for those rifles are in the same increments...no matter the caliber, IMHO.

>>>>We had great fun with it but I wish he had stayed with the original caliber. Nice copy anyway but it wasn't a Big Timber. It was Uberti or something.<<<<<

If it was a Uberti, they only come in 2 calibers, 45-70 or 40-65.

>>>Fun though and made nice. Weighed in like a BAR though. I've got some pix but he sold it right away darn!<<<<<<<

I guarantee that you'd rather shoot a lightweight 50BMG as opposed to a 45-2 7/8 with a crescent butt plate. No shock wave, but its like being next to a an old civil war cannon going off and that crescent plate will bury a nice hole in your shoulder ;)

These guns are very heavy and carrying them all day will give you a renewed appreciation for a modern stick with a Mike Miller sling. Even the old buffalo hunters didn't get that far from a horse or wagon with these old sticks.

I did have the pleasure of handling the rifle of J.Wright Moore. It was an 1874 Sharps Big Fifty (50-90). The gun weighs in at 16 lbs. He was the buffalo hunter that killed the only white buffalo in Texas.

The year of that kill was in 1876. Later on, Teddy Roosevelt offered Moore $10,000 (a lot of money at that time) for the white buffalo robe. Moore refused. It still hangs in the living room of his grand-daughter's home with a very noticable hole in the right shoulder. It was estimated that Moore had killed 21,000 buffalo by the end of his buffalo hunting career.

Mark W (Jalapeno)

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Anyone want to sell their B&L Tactical 10X?, Texas, - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 04:11:31 (ZULU)

William M. <elmerfudd3000@yahoo.com>
Birmingham, AL, USA - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 05:54:33 (ZULU)

guess what, I get to boresight a 30-06 Rug#%&!!! model seventy crap tomorrow.  The only reason I even consider it is cuz the Detroit red wings are up 2-1 over the Colorado avalanche...  I'd have to be in a good mood to pull the trigger of a....I'll probably f' up the red wing streak, hahah...  the dumbass bought a straight 6X Loopie to throw on a, grr, crapshooter.  Marius!! there should be exceptions to profanity!!

'Lito, does benzene wash the Ruger away??!!  I have methylene chloride on site, should I bathe myself afterwards?  Hopefully it's too windy, I can just throw the grid in the muzzle n' be done, just play pretend boresight dude..

later

JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
almost across the pond, - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 07:59:52 (ZULU)

>"Wonder if them Arab fellers really get virgins for blowin themselves up?"<

Yup they do!... 72 Itralian Nuns (with wooden rulers ;)

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For a decent Pearl Harbor movie, go get "Tora, Tora, Tora"... it's 30 years old, and still nothing has come close to it... then follow up with "Midway" (but close your eyes during the sappy/puke parts about Chuck's "kid").

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JR...

You better just throw the grid on it... don't let anyone see you with it at the range.  Border may hear of it, and change their minds ;)

And keep Benzene, and MEK away from a RU*%&... they melt.  Sometimes even if they get wet (except fot the #1's).

-

'lito

CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 10:43:56 (ZULU)

Yeah, and they all had reaallly bushy eyebrows and talked with a deep voice.

Nick

Nick Anzano <nanzano@mindspring.com>
Milton, NJ, USA - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 13:12:44 (ZULU)

  Catman and I have found that it seems that some rifles seem to like faster faster burning powders rather than the slower ones designed for them. I have had a couple of 300WM that shot IMR 4350 like a dream and was only so so with the slower ones.

  Like Yote Bait says, there is enough space in there to keep a mouse and his family alive but they will really shoot. When I get a new rifle I always go with the "Standard" loadings to start off with but will always play around with the faster burning powders for a paticular caliber. I have had some very good results doing this with a lot less powder in the case to burn my barrels out.

Catman..

  Your actually cleaning your bench off?? Your as bad as I am!!! I suppose now your going to tell me the warranty is off of my "Hardly ever used it" trigger!!(HA). In fact its on my 6.5x284 and is being loaded in the car today to head for Iowa.

 Were headed for the Mayo Clinic for my wifes check up and were going to stop down and see my son and grand daughter. Since I am laid up for the summer with a bad groin pull and probably won't be able to compete in any shoots I am letting him have my 6.5x284 to shoot his competitions with. I am sure it will "Hardly" get used(HA) We have the range down there to ourselves over the weekend so we will get to do a lot of shooting I am really looking forward to it.

 You guys all have a great weekend will catch up when I get back.

Pat <mrbullet@hotmail.com>
- Friday, May 24, 2002, at 13:29:38 (ZULU)

William M. I guess I missed all the politics you saw there.  I guess I just liked the air battles. Really though I kinda thought they were fairly hard on the Japs for a Disney flick.. guess it's in the eye of the beholder.

I've never seen a real good depiction of the Burma campaign but there was a couple I can't recall. I knew several of the Pilots and radiomen that were over there. I'd like to see somebody make another epic about it. John Wayne made one called Flying Tigers didn't he?

Catman; Yes, the Tora Tora nd Midway movies was good uns too.

Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
where the jet stream meets the sage. - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 13:31:18 (ZULU)

Yup, still alive and kickin'!

On oiling triggers...one word, DON'T. All you've got to do is pull apart a few old ones to see why not. Between the old/aged lubricant, dust, and grit a varnish like substance is produced. Seen some triggers so bad that they wouldn't even reset. Same for DA revolvers. Minimal lube on the internal parts.

Have a very nice M57 4" .41 Magnum. Love it and don't need know "steenking" .44 magnum. Have had several and always gone back to the .41.

All for now.

Semper Fi,

Wes

Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 14:39:10 (ZULU)

On Disney's 'Pearl Harbor':  I didn't see it.  It violated my 'Alec Baldwin' rule.  But William nailed that pimp Eisner's strategy.  In order to preserve the movie's box office in Japan, Eisner juggled a couple of facts and conveniently overlooked the rape/murder of Manchuria.  What a difference a couple of subtle lies make.

While we're talking movies, "We Were Soldiers" was rather good.  Mel's  ok.

Burma movies?  "Bridge on The River Kwai".  It got lots of Oscars back when they meant something.

CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
- Friday, May 24, 2002, at 14:54:45 (ZULU)

Pearl Harbor: I liked the movie for what it was, a Hollywood flick with a good soundtrack (period), in fact I generally fast forward through all the dead space and go to the battle scenes...but thats just me.

Ever since Titanic came out, that's been the trend in Hollywood. Take a historical event, write it from a personal perspective, add all the political and historical license needed, mix in some romance, and WALLA....otherwise you've just got a big boat heading south....fast...and it sells That's all Hollywood cares about. That's why I watch the History Channel for accurate historical detail whenever possible.

CDC: I agree with you about Alec Baldwin. It gored me that this liberal mongerer played a hero like Gen. Dolittle. They should've use Charlton Heston.

Incidentally, there was a scene in Pearl Harbor where Ben Afleck plays a pilot flying a Spitfire for the American Eagle squadron in Britain (circa 1940). One of our local businessmen, "Shine" Parker, who I knew for most of my life, but didn't know his lifes story until a few years ago, flew with the Eagle squadron. It's my understanding that only a handful of Americans flew in this group. Later, when the Americans got into the war, he was assigned to a B-17 group and flew (guess what)....the MEMPHIS BELLE, as co-pilot. He had quite a tour.

He also thought that the Spitfire was a lot better plane than our P-51 Mustang....but the Mustang had it beat in arsenal.

Mark W (Jalapeno)

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Anyone want to sell their B&L Tactical 10X?, Texas, - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 14:57:59 (ZULU)

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/brass.asp

Mark W

Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Anyone want to sell their B&L Tactical 10X?, Texas, - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 15:23:40 (ZULU)

 Call me Mr. Mom...back in the house, and watching the kids-especially my little princess Nicole (who doesn't show a sign of what she is going through).  Wife went back to her LE gig for a third shift (my idea, she needed a diversion).  Now I ponder what to do with this SPR?

I am thinking of breaking my long line of loopies by getting a Nightforce.  Since this stick will not be a tactical rifle for the near future, I am thinking about the NP-R2 reticle for simple Hold over shots (with .25 MOA clicks, who wants to crank up 20 MOA anyway).  I have the range (backyard) to dope the marks, so I am thinking this is the way to go for this particular stick.  The other option is MilDots of course.  Any opinions?

BTW-the riffle will be used to thin out the 'chucks and to attempt to impress myself on paper for the next year or so.  

And sell your stock in Federal and Black Hills gents;  I am taking up reloading.  Therapy to deal with adversity.  I got bit with the bug today on my dad-in-laws bench.  We cranked up some .225 loads for a surprisingly accurate old savage.  Rolling your own is a great way to relieve stress, and once I recover financially from the nightforce, I am gonna get my own equipment...that's right--I will find out for myself if the 1:12 will stabilize those 155 scenars.  Ooops--pretend I didn't just say that....

Joe

Joe Mahon <joseph.mahon@usarec.army.mil>
Eau Claire, WI, US of A - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 18:10:55 (ZULU)

Now we have something to rival Nigeria!

- - -

Secret Service warns of Afghanistan e-mail scam

A new scam promises a huge payout for anyone who helps a "soldier in

Afghanistan" smuggle captured drug money out of the country.

http://computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/cybercrime/story/0%2C10801%2C71468%2C00.html?nlid=PM

John <john@leveron.com>
Missouri, U.S.A. - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 20:50:12 (ZULU)

To often we (civilians) take our freedom for granted and I would like to take this Memorial weekend to thank the living as well. One or two weekends per year seems hardly enough for everyone to ponder the sacrifice our veterans have made for us.

Every time I look around at my lifestyle, property and things that I have accomplished I try to appreciate the fact that someone braver than myself has given their life so that I may live in these comforts.

EVERY veteran is responsible for the life I lead and to All of them I say Thank You and God Bless. Your Country is proud of you. We do appreciate you being there.

Lou  

Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
The ZOO, - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 22:44:38 (ZULU)

My Gardner/GA Precision 6.5x284 is almost complete.  All I'm lacking now is a better bipod and some Uncle Mikes swivels for Undudes sling(thanks again Mike), dies and brass.  If anyone would like to get a look at the new stick click on my name or go here:

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/vssweepman/lst?.dir=/Uncle+Kermit&.view=t

I'd like to thank some Hawgs that have gone above and beyond helping me through this process. George for being so damn fast and thorough, Wes and Pat for your baligerant defense of the cartdridge and continued help and last but not least, 'Lito and Dos Zap for my weekly block of instruction ;))

I'm also reluctant to keep the original name, as it doesn't seem so green anymore. Maybe "Cousin Rock"????  You know, the odd cousin that dresses well, Keeps slim and fit, always has a clean apartment, is an interior designer on the side and is still single at 30,,,  Seems fitting for a fagMag ;))

BTW, anyone know where I can find foam for a pelican case. While I was typing this my Jack Russell was in the other room shredding my cut out!!  'Lil bastard..... I was thinking of upgrading to high density closed cell anyway, but didn't want to HAVE to do it yet...

FatBoy...

Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
147gr FMJ!!!! 13,987,098 dead guys can't be wrong ;)), - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 23:27:56 (ZULU)

Welcome to the world of GA rifle owners! I have a bunch of them now. They ROCK!!

For replacement foam I suggest that you call Starlight cases or visit their website (click on my name)

They have replacement foam. I think that the higher quality foam is around $40.

Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Friday, May 24, 2002, at 23:43:19 (ZULU)

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