Sniper Country Duty Roster

April 2004

Hmmmmm,

John in Kyrgistan got me a wonderin'. Have any of you fondled the new Bushmaster (I think they call it) BAR? Basically an AR-10 BUT the lower accepts FAL Mags. If it works well, I'd LOVE to have George build up a SWS (sorta like the SH rifle) using that lower. Then we could afford to buy mags by the dozen! George, whaddaya tink? Thoughts?

Later

Rich

Rich S,
MD, - Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 00:45:46 (ZULU)

Mr. Sain,

What app are the Marines using Over Whites in place of Ghillies? Winter seems too obvious an answer. Are they painting them to match the digital urban?

Northside Tommy

Northside Tommy
Harwood Heights, IL, United States of America - Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 02:05:47 (ZULU)

Desert cammie gents. Paint 'em tan and you look like sand.

Looks like there's lots of work in the expected AO. Good, wouldn't want to be bored for 7 monthes. S/F...Ken M

Ken M
IL, USA - Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 02:30:50 (ZULU)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040401/ap_on_re_mi_ea/civilian_deaths&cid=540&ncid=1480

Bastard fucktards.......

Gooch
Hot Springs, AR, US of A - Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 03:19:15 (ZULU)

Danish police has arrested at least 4 people planning an act of terror in Denmark. One of the terrs came from Marokko and the rest have swedish passports. I assume they are muslim immigrants.

Gooch:

The incident in Falluja makes me sick. It also explains why russian soldiers in Afghanistan wiped out villages and towns were they found remains of molested russian bodies.

Tor

Torf
Oslo, Norway - Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 08:06:24 (ZULU)

Speaking of Blackwater. What has happened to our Man in Haiti since all the trouble began down there. Well.. the latest trouble anyway.

Is he back in t he states? Anybody know?

Brogers
Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 13:46:57 (ZULU)

Mr Rogers, Lools like Finger dropped off the face of the earth.

Joe M., You've got mail. It regards DCU's.

Dirty Steve, Out.

Steve Dickerson
San Antonio, Texas, US of A by God - Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 15:56:50 (ZULU)

Nope, don't kill whole villages. Find the people who did this, and - in a deliberate and professional manner - brutally kill them all.

Arabs are notorious for being frontrunners. They root for whoever they they think is doing well. Putting these assholes' heads on pikes will be a worthwhile object lesson.

(Edited to add): This guy says almost exactly the same thing, but says it better than I do: "The difficulty in solving the problem in Fallujah is profound. Those who commit violent acts must be dealt with in the most serious manner. I fear that the Western media is already showing squeamishness about the use of force by Marines, but they would do well to remember that Iraqis generally subscribe to a philosophy that respects strength, and not weakness. Failing to respond to the violence therefore would invite still more violence, not less."

Click my name.

CDC'
Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 16:19:19 (ZULU)

TorF, you've got e-mail from my other address, coming through the roster.

Now where is Marco?

Piggie Killer Pete, you'll have something coming from the roster from me too here shortly, I hope.

Bravo
Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 16:44:02 (ZULU)

Gooch, to our fallen brothers. I hope to buy you beers in Valhalla. Then we go deflower a few of the T's virgins. To our brothers in Iraq, please send one hundred T's each to meet the virgins. The T's only do little boys anyway. Poor girls need love too.

Is it just me or do others think the freakin place would make a nice large gas station?

Undude/Mike

MikeMiller
CA, - Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 17:18:43 (ZULU)

I think it would make a nice glass mirror.

Thought that about Vietnam too.

Able One

Mike Wiseman
Harrison, Oh, - Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 18:20:51 (ZULU)

Finger and everyone working with him got back fine...

Out

Gooch
Hot Springs, AR, US of A - Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 20:01:51 (ZULU)

Gooch; thanks, I was worried about that boy!

Brogers
Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 20:51:44 (ZULU)

I'm certain this has been posted before but I can't seem to locate it. I bought a Rem 700 in .308 with a varmit contour barrel some time ago that was in a fiberglass Silhouette stock. I shoot Highpower Sevice Rifle comps in my area and am looking to put together a bolt gun for prone competitions. Here's the kicker... I don't want to spend a whole lot of $$. As it sits right now, I only have $400 in the rifle and $175 for the Leupold M8 12x that sits on it. I have an old Redfield International rear sight and a Mid Tompkins Front sight with several inserts ($140 and $35 respectively). It's an older Rem 700, so the left side of the receiver is already tapped for peep sights... I was thinking a Medesha barrel band for the front sight. The only thing I'm really lacking is a good prone stock. I know McMillan makes a great product, but the entire point here is to keep costs down. Sort of difficult to do when I'd have as much (or more) in the stock than the rifle. I was seriously looking at the HS Precision stocks, but I don't know which one!! It looks like they produce the 'spittin-image' of the Anschutz 1911 prone stock, but not for a Rem 700 Short Action (only Winchester M70??). I also ran across the McGee competition rifle stock which are less money, but then I'd have to glass bed and I don't have a whole lot (re: ANY!) of experience with laminated stocks. Any information or direction would be greatly appreciated. Leo

Leo
Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 22:20:41 (ZULU)

HELLO ALL. Been gone for far to long. How you all doin? My useless box of knowledge went south due to a worm or vd or something. Had to do some major surgery to it to bring it back.

Since we last spoke I have had a chance to shoot my Mauser and well lets just say it was eventful. First session I had it out I put 5 rounds through it and the scope fell off, found out the tapped holes where stripped out! So I fixed it and ran out one fine day after work with a box or two of standard military rounds, once it was dialed in I hit 1" at 100. I'm headed out to a long range over easter to see what it'll do at 400.

I am helping out with safety and line foreman duties at a shoot on Apl.10. The group we are taking out call themselves "Geeks With Guns". It is mostly a bunch of MBA suits that are somewhat new to firearms. I will be demonstrating and overseeing the venerable Barrett82A1. I have a real feeling that I will be performing first aid on someone because they got their melon split by the scope.

I'll catch up with ya soon!

Icky The Great
PGH, PA, USA - Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 22:27:32 (ZULU)

I have read snipercountry for a long time now and I do long range shooting. I recently have considered joining the National Guard and trying to get into the sniper program. Does anyone have any experience with the school or availability or difficulty to even get a shot at it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Darin
Lufkin, Tx, USA - Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 22:56:32 (ZULU)

Darin,

First thing you will have to do is find you a combat arms unit,(Infantry, Armored Cav, Special Forces) and upon completion of Basic & AIT, you will start recieving home station MOS Specific training provided that you are able to be slotted as a sniper in that unit. After being at the unit for awhile, you can request slots to the NGB Scout/Sniper School at Little Rock. Gooch can tell you more than I can on this subject matter. Last I heard, entrance to the School had the same requirements as the U.S. Army School. Those are:

Must be 11B, 11M, 19D or CMF 18. PFC-SFC (Grade waiverable). Active duty, or Reserve, or National Guard, must have a good performance record with no history of alcohol, or drug abuse, must be a volunteer and be recommended by his commander. Must be in excellent physical condition (70 percent or better in each event of the APFT). Must have a corrected vision of 20/20 must not have a record of disciplinary action. Must be knowledgble of skill level 2 tasks. Must have a GT score of 100. Must have qualified expert with the M16A2/M4 Carbine rifle within six months of course attendance. Normal color vision must be annotated on SF 88, tested within six months of course attendance. Must have a minimum of one (1) year retainability. Must pass psychological evaluation (MMPI/CPI) conducted under the direction of a qualified psychologist.

Hope this helps you out, and good luck to you!

Bobby Whittington
Grandfield, OK, USA - Friday, April 2, 2004, at 00:28:05 (ZULU)

Kent Gooch,

Jesus... I'm really sorry.

Undude,

Imagine a gigantic Christian NASCAR Circuit with free porn and giant shopping malls where capitalistic excess runs rampant. My patience is up. I don't discourage the use of nukes from the Eastern shore of the Med to the tallest peaks on the planet. We'll never be rid of this problem. For no reason, someone will always be willing.

AND! I was in the T zone in the 90s. Young boys is all they have. They bring in the ones whose parents can't afford to feed them and others that are orphaned. They teach them to recite the Koran word for word in Arabic. Trouble is, they don't teach them Arabic, so the young boys don't know what they're reciting. They're taught the book says kill infidels and blow old men with long beards, but they don't really know. I saw this all. Homeless boys endear themselves to whomever will care for them, and there are plenty of takers.

With that kind of enemy creation machine, what can we do? I say PHUCM! We'll be watching our boys be dragged behind trucks or out of bombed buildings for 50 years. It's just a matter of whether they're Soldiers over there or civilians over here.

Venting,

Northside Tommy

Northside Tommy
Harwood Heights, IL, United States of America - Friday, April 2, 2004, at 00:43:18 (ZULU)

I have a friend who just returned from that festering *@#hole place and he said it was like being in a freakin oven and anywhere you looked there where people hating you for being there. Some thanks; and he said that upon his return he had a run in with some pond jumpers(immigrants) of the same decent. They gave him a bunch of flak cause he was wearing his uniform. I said that it sounds like the veitnam war crap all over again. Everyone hates us but is willing to come to this country and live off our freedom, but never really contribute back. I say extra crispy camel is good food!

The media should stay out of the way of duty and focus on more profound problems than justly abusing a known terrorist who will kill anyone he disagrees with. We pander to the media because they are they litle whiny shits who have nothing better to do than NARC on their own kind. I loath those maggots!!

Icky The Great
PGH, PA, USA - Friday, April 2, 2004, at 02:29:17 (ZULU)

Imagine what a couple of a-teams could do in Fallujah. Not to hunt bad guys or train counter-insurgents or liason with local officials, but to conduct full insurgency upon the citizens of the Sunni Triangle in a most unconventional manner. Those people would shit twice and go blind trying find someone to protect them.

I know some spooky green hats who could have refugees streaming from that place with minimal damage to the infrastructure of the town. Just pick off the bad guys as they pass through the check points. Hell, what if the insurgents had to start thinking about there own force protection.

I know. We're the good guys. But isn't that what the unconventional units are for?

Northside Tommy

Northside Tommy
Harwood Heights, IL, United States of America - Friday, April 2, 2004, at 03:17:05 (ZULU)

Pete L- Pete hit me off line with your perfered shipping address and a good phone number for when we get to Langen. I'll give you a call next week and we'll set up dinner with ladies on the 15th. The stuff you wanted is backordered but I am going to order it and have it shipped to you. The company said no problem and it would be about 5-6 weeks till it arrives there after the order is placed. Also they are going to call me back and leave me info for the UK distributor and they said they should have a deal made with a German company in Darmstadt in a couple months. I'll e-mail you too..I only have the ESA e-mail address though so I'll hit you there and via the SC.

Joe S.

Joe S.
Dago, CA, US of A - Friday, April 2, 2004, at 04:31:48 (ZULU)

Icky,

Half-moon cuts on the eyebrow from the M82.......not likely if it has the Swarovski with the telescoping eyepiece, but the outside of the nose can bleed from the release lever on the Butler Creek lens cover. I always remove mine before shooting. That little red lever can get your attention.

Biggest thing is to caution your guys not to touch the ejected brass for a few minutes. It don't stay in the chamber long enough to transfer its heat.

Steve at Badlands got to see a student learn that lesson, with the empty stuck to his fingers.

Y'all Stay Safe.

Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas,, NM, USA - Friday, April 2, 2004, at 05:32:48 (ZULU)

Bomb found on Spanish rail track Police are pursuing suspected Islamic militants for those attacks. Well doesn’t it just prove that changing the government did nothing. 20/20 hind sight oh No we predicted it didn’t we…. I hope they feel foolish and stupid because that’s how they look.

Dry
uk - Friday, April 2, 2004, at 13:33:19 (ZULU)

Lee; right as we speak the best value out of the box that shoots the best is the Savage short action. You can get it in several configurrations. Just go to their page at savagearms.com and lookem over. You can get one in that McMill stock or A Plaster stock that works very well on prone. IF you want to carry it you gotta know somebody with a good back but there is nothing wrong witht heir factory stock. Top it with a good scope and I can say that the Weaver 4.5X14 mil dot scope is about as good as any and much better than all the cheap scopes. The whole thing will set you back less than a $1000 if you watch where you buy it. Put some good scope mounts on it and it will shoot with the best of em. My rifle is a Remington 700 VSSF with the original stock / or I can put on the Plaster if it's just a target match. Barrel length is another consideration. Savage has about all lengths. My favorite is the 22 but the Law Enforcement model only comes in 20 or 26 if I remember right and you can always shorten it if you need too, shorten it only if you need help carrying or moving with it. IF you want to do long range work in .308 keep the barrel at 26 but don't expect that to do much better than the shorter ones.

My Grandson oldest one just joined the Guard. What you eventually get is what you work for and show good at and who you can get to recommend you. Bobby has it pin pointed zactly.

Brogers
Friday, April 2, 2004, at 14:03:43 (ZULU)

Joe S,

Pete is in the UK at the moment and doesn't have access to a PC. Told me to tell you he meant to contact you before he left and to say he would get in touch as soon as he gets back. Check you e-mail something there for ya.

Dry,

Hi pal, did you catch my last re transmitter and prices for itty-bitty teles? Did you hear the fundamentalist bloke on Radio 2 on the Jeremy Vine show today? If not hear it online. I'm soooo angry!!!

Jon

Jon Beardsley
Welshman in exile, England, UK - Friday, April 2, 2004, at 15:03:01 (ZULU)

Then again, if you want a rifle that will shoot out to 1k, but you want a 20" barrel, go with Howa. I've got one that was bobbed down from 26", and it shoots out to a thousand just fine. And, like I've said before, I got the last one for $420 out the door, can't beat that. Now, the stock that comes on it sucks, you gotta bed it and float the bbl, but that's small beer for what you get. I took both of them up to Badlands last weekend. Both shoot sub moa, but the shortie is somewhat more accurate, probably due to the stiffer short bbl. Both will do one-hole groups out to a hundred, then the large, recoil-reducing device behind the buttpad starts to degrade accuracy.

Sarge was shooting his shortie (no, the rifle!) and it has no problems out to the one grand mark, either.

Took one of my patrol buddies up there. We ran into the Travelocity travelling gnome on the way, he bummed a ride. You can see him checking out the range on the Badlands website, he's pretty cool for a short guy....

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Friday, April 2, 2004, at 15:14:38 (ZULU)

"The insurgency in Iraq now is attempting to ...prevent any reconciliation with the Sunnis.

One of the first important attacks which was consistent with classic terrorist doctrine was the mass bombing of the Shiites. The goal of that attack was to inspire hatred among the Shiites and to provoke Shiite retaliation against the Sunnis. If the attack had successfully provoked that kind of reprisals, it would have had a good chance of convincing the Sunnis that they faced disaster if they cooperated in the process of establishing a new Iraqi government, which would have derailed our efforts to create it.

If the new government ends up totally dominated by the Shiite majority, and if they in turn use it to repress the Sunnis, then it would be seen elsewhere in the region as "the new boss, same as the old boss". Political backlash by Shiites against the Sunnis in response to that bombing would therefore have been a major victory for al Qaeda. Violent attacks against Sunnis by Shiites would have been frosting on the cake.

Fortunately, saner heads among the Shiites recognized the attack for what it was, and strongly discouraged such a response.

Now, in Falluja, we have seen another operation consistent with the doctrine of terrorism, only this time the US was the target. Four American civilians driving through that city were killed, and their bodies were desecrated by an exultant crowd...

The Baathist insurgency thought that ongoing attacks would cause American demoralization and retreat. That didn't work...they hope... Americans...will do something extremely stupid: to punish the Sunnis collectively for the actions of the terrorist group.

...that's the...theory behind terrorism...It is not the terrorist act itself which helps advance the political goals of the terrorist group; it is rather THE REPRISAL (my caps). Terrorism is...a way of using an enemy's strength against himself...Paul Bremer understands that and seems to be responding to it appropriately. But he's being criticized by hotheads who don't seem to understand that swift, strong, broad reaction against Sunnis collectively would be a blunder of the first order."

Click my name to read the whole thing. The links contain an intelligent, ongoing discussion.

The smart thing is to find the people who did this and make grisly examples of them. Leave non-combatants alone. According to the reports, that's what we're going to do.

CDC'
Friday, April 2, 2004, at 17:09:31 (ZULU)

I wonder if GAG, sorry JAG would allow such actions to be taken today ??

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.htm

Joisey Steve

Steven Dzupin
Wayne, New Joisey, US of A - Friday, April 2, 2004, at 19:01:57 (ZULU)

Two topics:

A good day here (especially after finding out I was getting a good chunk of change back on my taxes!).

Picked up 300 one-ounce packs from Art, and he threw in about another 50 for FREE! Also a "Jerky by Art" polo shirt for Major Joe.

Then took CB to Hobby Lobby (I slept in the pick-up....) for some sewing supplies, and she cleaned 'em out of those neat little squeeze bottles that work so well for weapons lube.

Prev. Bal.: $388.95

Jerky: $360.00

Squeeze bottles: $15.75

Current Bal.: $13.20

Grabbed some baby back ribs at our favorite BBQ joint and headed home. Wish I could get a C130 full to Joe!

Then got a call from Rob Opp.....Damn if he wasn't at Art's, buying jerky! Had a great chat with him. I'm tickled he got to meet Art, who is a true patriot. He even got the tour of Art's new dehydrator room (that's right, ROOM!).......kinda like a kiln for beef.

Next topic/rant:

Cauterize Fallujah.

They already hate us. Let them now fear us. Unless and until the terrorists, and those that shelter and support them, know that they will reap the whirlwind for such atrocities, they will continue.

Cautery is unpleasant. It stinks and it hurts, but it's better than gangrene.

Rant off.

Y'all Stay Safe.

Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas,, NM, USA - Friday, April 2, 2004, at 23:35:39 (ZULU)

Maj. I lost you address over there. I have two boxes waiting to send, please resend your address asap.

Thanks

Keith

Keith
Northcentral, WV, - Friday, April 2, 2004, at 23:58:37 (ZULU)

I don't know, but the old men of the Bible couldn't sort that Iraqi shit out. I don't know why we think we can. I'm damn tired of their internal politics and general bull shit. "When you do battle with a land far away. Kill every living thing!" source.(The Old Bible, book of Duter. ) They knew you couldn't occupy and rehabilitate to enemy and here it's thousands of years later and we still don't catch on. I'm not even interested in out smarting the SOB's. Killing them will do as far as I'm concerned. I'm not interested in saving a few good ones.... let their God sort em out. I wish this stupid country would learn how to fight a damn war.

Brogers
Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 02:38:58 (ZULU)

Jon B- Thanks and I have an e-mail inbound for you.

Lets see... I'm leaving for Germany on Sunday AM....Of course I wake up this morning with what feels like a cold that must have been sent by the T'Ban. After my trip to Rite Aid I raised the stock prices of all the over the counter cold medicine companies.

I ran a M16 qual for my department today with my buddy. All went as smooth as silk....a real good bunch of shooters today. They're basic level M16 shooters so we're trying to get them to a little higher speed. We touched on several trigger control drills and did a lot of fire/manuver and move/shoot and man down rescue stuff. The crew really enjoyed it and got exposed to some new tacical tools. Their "toolbox" is getting more useful. It's always gratifying to see them learn something that might keep them or others alive while ridding the world of a problem. So far several officers that I helped train have used their rifles in bonefide shootouts and walked away from it..the bad guys didn't. Makes me feel good to hear my "kids" are winning.

Take care and remember....some things in the mirror appear larger than they really are.

Joe S.

Joe S.
Dago, CA, US of A - Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 03:14:59 (ZULU)

Joe S: "So far several officers that I helped train have used their rifles in bonefide shootouts and walked away from it..the bad guys didn't."

You're doing good work Joe.

CDC'
Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 04:01:38 (ZULU)

Which Aimpoint is the one to purchase?

M2 or ML2?

Thanks,

BearMan

BearMan
Indy., Indiana, U.S.A. - Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 05:31:34 (ZULU)

I Found a computer Jon.. Joe have good trip, see you soon.

Britain is on the verge of civil unrest, Britons are sick of imigrants and corupt governments, the level of anger within the population towards foriegners is increasing, i think if a terrorist (islamistic) act happened here there would be full scale uprising in certain areas with attacks on Muslims, mosques bieng fire bombed, foriegners bieng attacked etc. British National Party is becoming a credible political party with ex conservatives, socialists and liberals alike finding a new allience to the values and aims of this party. No wonder the present Gov't want to remove arms from civialinan ownership.

Pete

Peter Lincoln
Rule Britania - Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 10:06:04 (ZULU)

Bearman; IF you are asking "Aimpoint" as a brand they are all good. IF you mean that as a general term for red dot sights there are many good ones but you can't go wrong with the Aimpoint brand. The main thing to watch for is good adjustments and pay attention to forward signature. Be sure to watch for parallax within the system you are going for. Some of these DO have as much as 4" inspite of the fact they say it can't exist. Particularly the little ones remenicent of "heads up devices". The smaller the aiming dot usually the better you can shoot with it. You can turn the intensity down and actually use both eyes if there is a need for pinpoint accuracy and the 2 images will superimpose on each other giving you the opportunity to put the target right in the center of the red dot that is actually larger than the target you are shooting at./You may know all this but many people read.

Joe; 10 fo on that. Never take a pistol to a gun duel if there's a rifle around. (other people read, Joe knows that. )\

*I should explain forward signature as I used it above. Some red dot sights show the enemy ahead a red or blue signature that's really easy to see with a scope or anything else particularly when the sun is in the direction of the shooter and going down. In fact most of them do. Pick one that's as least visable as possible for entry work or tactical operations. Same goes for coyote hunting.

Brogers
Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 14:35:41 (ZULU)

Kuwaitis and their fireworks! Apparently, there is something else to celebrate over their weekend (TH-FR). One rich guy musta scored a satchel charge or daisy-chained an assload of quarter-sticks. Heheh. Been jumping around here from that first large boom thru today. Once I realized there's no small arms--I took some nyquil and went into a coma!

Man, am I still sick as a dog...

Ya know--The Fallujah problem is a tough one. I'm working through third-order effects of just relocating everyone into widely scattered regions of the Kurdish areas, and maybe a few of the more vocal asses into Shi'a areas. Then, just doze the place to desert. A cordoned search won't catch all the hiding places, and our boys will be sniped at block by block. Erase the place, and let local issues get settled locally.

Political non-starter; but it sure is fun to imagine!

Joe M

Joe Mahon
Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 15:49:51 (ZULU)

Joe M: You're there and you do this for a living, so I'd like your thoughts on this idea. After Somalia, bin Laden taught that America was a paper tiger because our public opinion wouldn't support conflicts in which we incurred significant casualties. He said that the key to defeating us was to kill a couple of our people then flim the dragging of their corpses through the streets. Pre Gulf War II, Sadaam preached the same thing. He used "Blackhawk Down" as a cornerstone of his operational doctrine.

So that's the key idea: Drag a couple of our people through the street and we cave.

But what happens when we don't cave? My guess is that, when a major premiss of their doctrine is proved false, a major component of their strategy is undermined.

As far as your higher-order effects go; beats my pair of jacks. Smart people do this for a living. I'm just an interested observer who depends on really flimsy sources of intel. But there's one prediction that's easy: Right now, some of our very competent people are developing a list of targets. It isn't an academic exercise.

CDC'
Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 17:12:47 (ZULU)

HOGs just spent a great deal of time getting rid of a Trojan Virus, which messed with my address book. If you get any emails from me with attachments or photos watch out. I will post/call I am sending anything with an attachment.

Now the bad freaking part. It killed half my address book so I have lost alot of email addresses. I hope you guys, including Major Joe send me current email address so I can resave.

Send the addresses to Tacticalslings At Aol you know

Thanks

Undude/Mike

MikeMiller
CA, - Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 18:47:49 (ZULU)

Gentlemen; I wonder if anyone else has built a rifle like mine. It is an M1 Garand, rebuilt as a full match rifle with a Douglas heavy barrel, and all the goodies that go to make a match rifle.

To top it all off, I had a Burris 10X handgun scope mounted scout style on it. It will shoot an honest 5 shot, 3/4 inch group at 100 yards, using Federal Gold Medal match ammo.

Anyone know of another Garand like it? I think it is the only one in existance. There are other mounts that bolt in place of the rear sight, making it essentially a single shot. But I know of none that have the mounts screwed directly to the barrel, and the scope mounted thereon. What say you?

Semper Fi; Leatherneck

New kid on the block!

Leatherneck
Avon, Ma., U.S.A. - Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 23:36:57 (ZULU)

Joe M,

I'm not sure whether surgically and methodically removing the bad elements from Fallujah will be the right call either. The longer the process takes, the more the gang green spreads. Sometimes you just gotta amputate for best results. It's ugly and leaves hard feelings and scares, but it stops it short of killing you.

CDC,

At what point does the politically correct method of CT become too cumbersome to manage. I thought at one point we could win over hearts and minds in Iraq since they're mostly secular and not necessarily religiously motivated. I now think that no matter how glad most of them are to be rid of the Hussein regime, they'd still rather see the insurgents kill Americans than confront them or see us kill them.

This reminds me of the gang problems in our major cities. Local residents hate the gangs, but won't help the cops put them away and can't stand up to them. We take away the residents guns and leave them with no way to defend thier own neighborhoods from the gangs that get guns illegally.

Fallujah is in disrepair. Knock it down and rehab. Better property value. Better economy. Plenty of new jobs for Iraqis from other areas who will come into the void... Unless we nuke it.

Northside Tommy

Northside Tommy
Harwood Heights, IL, United States of America - Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 00:52:27 (ZULU)

You want to kill more of the enemy than you make. Let's say someone who isn't real smart kills the 200,000 residents of Fallujah. That leaves something like 1.2 billion Moslems. Those people will have a pretty clear idea whose side they've been forced to take.

Or you could develop intel then make examples of, oh, five hundred. No Sunni v Shiite civil war. Stable Iraq. We win.

Russia tried "Kill 'em all" in A'stan. They lost. In Malaya Great Britan killed only who they needed to. They won.

Pointless discussion. Rumsfeld is smart; too smart to play into al Qa'eda's hands by killing a lot of non-combatants.

CDC'
Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 01:15:05 (ZULU)

"Which Aimpoint is the one to purchase? M2 or ML2?"

BearMan, real simple. If you plan on using NV go with the M2. Mount it in front of a PVS14 and you have a nice setup. This requires a flattop M16/M4 or "something" with a single long rail.

Otherwise stick with the ML2. It's not NV compatable and costs a bit less.

Moe

Moe Mensale
Boca Raton, FL, US of A - Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 01:28:49 (ZULU)

CDC- Thanks for the compliment. It really hits home when you hear of your "kids" getting in gunfights. The weight of being a trainer gets a lot heavier after the first one and reality hits home....What I say and do will determine if these some of these guys live or die. A heavy burdon I'm glad to accept.

Jon B- Well it looks like the second package isn't going to make in time bro. So get me that address and I'll have it in ptiority mail ASAP when I get back.

Off to the Fatherland in the AM. Long flight, bad head cold, two young kids...Ahhhhh the good life =)

Everybody stay safe,

Joe S.

Joe S.
Dago, CA, US of A - Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 02:04:55 (ZULU)

CDC; your exactly right. It's too late to do it MY way. Had we leveled Bagdad the first day. It would have sent the message and saved years of pissing around. But it's hind sight now. I hope there is a way to save this mess without getting into another Vietnam mood of hand wringing and political jousting to get control by using a few dead bodies as proof that we were wrong to want to rid the world of tyrants and terrorists. IF we had ran scared 60 years ago when we lost a few good men we'd all be paying homage to Hitler and speaking German instead of Rap.

Brogers
Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 03:06:57 (ZULU)

Bill: You and I agree on almost nothing and should positively never use this board to exchange views on any subject whatsoever.

CDC'
Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 06:51:55 (ZULU)

Dan,

You are exactly right--and punishing the offenders is a tight rope to walk. There are many more in Fallujah in the "gray area"--and a little forced relocation; a bit of multi-cultural training if you will, struck my fancy. That is not happening though. It is too draconian yet for our planners. A decent plan B would be to lock it down (ring cordoned with a division) and drop leaflets. Encourage a bit of relocation for non-combatants--search everyone and everything leaving, make no uncertain terms what weapons will bring you when found, and let 'er rip. Prepare to take casualties...I'd say eighty or so throughout. But, to accomplish a systematic cleansing--it will be worthwhile.

What I don't want to see is a surgical removal of the dozens or so in the video and have it left at that. That is what I think will happen though. I would prefer a no stone unturned search of every damn thing, from one side to the other. May as well corner them and fight them now on our terms than to have them pick the battle down the road. To leave the town with any resistance will be seen as a weakness.

And on the other point--Somalia affirmed a suspicion that we are a cut and run power when bad things happen. It was seen as the wrong message at the time---but nobody wants to hear policy from a bunch of warmongers (us in the military--Clinton really held us in high regard-NOT!). The Clinton Administration's new world view was just grand, and if smacking someone isn't working, go straight to hugs. I ranted on this before---and I still bristle over the waste of life, of the mission creep, of the smarmy "get mean but be nice about it" BS of not escalating with armor and other resources when the time came---grrrr. In short, Clinton's acts were a disaster. The withdrawel from Mog did more to invite 9-11 than anything else. The feel-good libs are always the last to recognize the true nature of the danger---and here we are again. Spain just walked down that path---and watch; it ain't over for them by a long shot. They gave in, and until the keys to the kingdom are handed over---life is about to get ugly for them. Sooner or later, they'll decide to draw a line---but how far will they go trying appeasement (and dying) before they realize what has happened? The enemy, as we all realize here--is bent on purifying their faith (such as it is) and to know what that is-- is to know that GWB is right- they must be destroyed. Any hesitation now is their chance to destroy you. And that is exactly what they want. We got into their op cycle and put them off balance. Any freakin' dialogue or "police action" is exactly what they need right now to recover and take the initiative. More than ever, we have to keep up the pressure. And pile it on. No fuckin mercy, and no quarter. Simultaneously, we have to throw down a mini-Marshall plan to put a kink in recruiting; and maybe a little Isreali recognition on so called religious leaders wouldn't hurt either. The hellfire sniper on a Madras here and there may end up being necessary. Either we accept that now, or we bury our own and buy into it later. These fucks ain't going away on their own---they need exterminating! Like I said, Spain is the example. What will they give up next to be left alone? Whatever it is intially, it won't be enough tomorrow....until they ain't got shit left to give. Watch. Learn. If sKerry wins, there go we.

Joe M

Joe Mahon
Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 08:17:44 (ZULU)

Dan and all:

Hey--lemme clear something up: You all know what I do (loggie-related); and anything I mess around with on the side is just intellectual curiousity running amok. By looking at social issues and relocations--it is just MHO, I was by no means planning or participating in anything official. I should watch how I phrase stuff! Heheh. Of course, there's some Kurds who were forced off their lands repeatedly by the Ba'athists who would LOVE to have a few new neighbors. Double ha. But that ain't official policy or position!

Dan--when they realize we are sticking it to them for real, they will step up the level of violance against some really soft targets (horrifying is relative--we ain't seen nuthin yet). If Bush wins in the fall--that realization won't be far behind.

Joe M

Joe Mahon
Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 12:49:08 (ZULU)

Test.

Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas,, NM, USA - Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 15:53:44 (ZULU)

Leatherneck:

Scott Medesha makes a mount that clamps around the barrel on

the Garand and M14 pattern rifles. Weaver rail is one of the mount options. Springfield Armory or Rob Leatham while employed by SA "appropriated" the mount design and makes a package with their M1A. Currently called the M1A Scout Squad Rifle.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-scout.shtml or click on my name for the URL.

I ordered and took delivery of a couple of the Medesha mounts to incorporate into Garands for myself and a friend. Used the standard-weight brl and replaced the stock with synthetic by Bell and Carlson.

Unitized the handguards and bedded the action.

My gunsmith reduced the barrel diameter for the mount, and cut thru part of the rear handguard so that the mount pokes thru. He also re-crowned brl at my request while it was on the lathe. I did the rest of the work. I had to file the underside of the mounts a fair amount so they would clear the stock and op-rod correctly.

I'm using a Leupold Scout Scope on Leupold QRW mounts.

send me a private email and I can send you pictures and text on my project.

I call it a Garand Scout :-)

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 16:50:00 (ZULU)

Dan; your exactly right about that too. I'm sorry if I offended your holiness, By agreeing with you. You may kiss my ass if you wish. It must be nice to be the smartest man on earth.

Brogers
Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 16:50:53 (ZULU)

Hooah. You go girls! (no disrespect to either gentleman; I respect the both ya--no kiddin')

I am more amused by my accidental quoting of Brogers' "exactly right" line than anything else here--but youz two are funny nontheless.

Bill, Dan-you all are like lighting a Yukon Stove. Ya get away with open flames and liquid fuels for years, then one day---Boom! No eyebrows...

Have fun, and remember, it all is fun and games until someone loses an eye(brow). Heheh.

Another oddity: X-number one sends an email. Says Hi. After 16-odd years, what is up with dat? Strange....

The Peanut departs for the White House on Thursday. The whole herd is going (eight seats in the expedition filled with kiddos). I feel for the Mrs; she is heading by way of Boston to see the boy, then down through DELMARVA to see sis, then into the big event. Ambitious! News: They childrens miracle network is doing a story on the 'Nut; possible national news/ add campaign for a related charity. Ya'll may see her on a TV near you soon! Ha. That's my girl!

I'm getting a shot of antibios; screw this. Off to the docs. I can barely see again...

Joe M.

Joe Mahon
Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 18:00:29 (ZULU)

Gentlemen; I apologize and plead permanent insanity.. I didn't know we had to agree on everything before we could change ideas on this board. I'm overcome with grief for my insane thoughts of treating Dan like another human being. MY mistake.

Joe; Thanks for your endowment of respect but save it all for Dan for he commands it. His is the campus way and mine is just the "cowboy way". Listen only to him for he has all the knowledge locked up and has thrown the key into lake ego.

Brogers
Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 19:42:39 (ZULU)

Good stuff guys,

I reviewed some of the previous posts and realized I sound like an anarchist. I should go back to the cheap Scotch. The good stuff gets over consumed and Scotch makes me mean. CDC an Brogers, good times...

Yes, I feel like we're waiting around for another world war start. Only this time, how do you rebuild what's already in the stone age. Is this about the third world bring us down to them because they can't catch up? Do we really have a vested interest in keeping the middle east in strife and poverty?

Shimon Peres said a couple of weeks ago that he wants to pull back all troops and settlements from the occupied territories before September. He thinks the expenditure on the security and military operations costs more than irrigating the uninhabitable lands unsettled in Israel. Tourism and trade will increase when the issue is resolved.

Arab Clerics don't want prosperity in the Middle East because it's more difficult to exert control over the financially independant. Sounds like our Democrats.

More fighting please. I don't get enough from Julie.

Northside Tommy

Northside Tommy
Harwood Heights, IL, United States of America - Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 19:54:52 (ZULU)

Relax guys. This fight is not going to happen.

Joe M: "...I was by no means planning or participating in anything official. I should watch how I phrase stuff!...But that ain't official policy or position!"

I realized that. I asked you because you have a lot of relavent training, experience and information.

CDC'
Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 20:15:57 (ZULU)

Joe S.......

Afer-Action completed....sent it to Mick....photos came out great too...enjoy your suds and brat with PeteL in Deutchland....see you when your passport gets re-stamped...

cmoore....

out....

cmoore
Dago, SoCal, USA - Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 22:04:27 (ZULU)

Hey Fellas,(and gals)

Been gone a while. Too dang much admin stuff goin on here.

Anaway, As BKS said, the adopt-a-sniper support thing per snipersonline.org, a real good, for real way to get stuff directly to like minded folks. I'm not really a full fledged snipersonline board member, just an adjunct & member. Operator/moderator is here in home state, a fellow LE guy. We all assisted in range operation at the conference/competition.

Yes, the snow over covers are painted tan or there abouts for camo.

I also have two co-workers in or on way to the sand trap. One doin MP stuff in Iraq, the other soon to be promo'd to Capt., in a infantry unit. I'll sure send camera stuff as well as care pkgs.

One way or another fellas, keep on keepin on supportin ALL of our folks over yonder. I know you're/we're all doin pretty dern good.

Good folks like Bruce, CB, Joe & BKS really stoke the fires of support.

Deputy Doug

ps. the Cheytac thing is interesting but questionable.

Doug Bourdo
K Town, WI, USA - Monday, April 5, 2004, at 03:03:41 (ZULU)

After 17 years of stumbling around in the howling wilderness, am I seeing an oasis, or is it just a mirage? Not only has SAPD decided to allow sworn peace officers to carry a backup piece, they're going to allow us to carry AR-15's (privately purchased, of course). Not only that, but the qualified AR guys on patrol are now going to actually play with the SWAT boys to get some interdepartmental standardization. We've even started doing building entry, active shooter and hostage scenario training. It's creepy.....I'm waitning for the little chinese guy to jump out and yell "SUPPLIES!"....

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Monday, April 5, 2004, at 13:52:51 (ZULU)

Hi All Looks like the Spanish terrorists saved the Spanish government some money on a court case.

Had a good weekend shooting down Bisley at the British Sporting Rifle Club they have excellent facilities there. Did reasonably well on my first shooting of Running boar which was quiet interesting, especially as they run a course or fast and slow movers down there.

Peter L – I think you paint a picture slightly worse than it is although the BNP is making great headway and other parties are looking over their shoulders. But I don’t believe Britain is on the verge of civil unrest, but yet again I do wonder why the present Gov't want to remove arms from civilian ownership contrary to all evidence that it is reducing gun crime etc.

John B - Incoming e-mail

Jo Mahon – Your far to level headed to do anything silly (he he) but it is good to hear someone spell out what the other options /consideration’s are. Watch your six

Dry
uk - Monday, April 5, 2004, at 13:55:23 (ZULU)

Hello men: A couple of things.

SC was my first forey into the internet forum world. Jumped into it with both feet (Some here may remember that).

I have been hanging out at SH and SP too lately (Along with some others) trying to get support for this adopt a sniper thing.

God knows those here at SC have given. Some greatly. God (and Bruce and Joe) knows who you are.

However, in the "Sniper specific" vein, Thomas over at Snipers Paradise has opened a website of his own.

It is also linked with the snipersonline program already in place but offers a task specific website that allows Thomas' computer abilities to shine and just one more place to be direcly involved with payback for 911. He's got it running I believe. Only to get better.

Just food for thought. www.adoptasniper.com.

brian k. sain
Monday, April 5, 2004, at 15:53:35 (ZULU)

Mark Bowden - of "Blackhawk Down" fame - writes:

"The worst answer the U.S. can make...is back down...Aidid's supporters were decimated and demoralized the day after the Battle of Mogadishu. Some...were certain the U.S. would violently respond...the U.S. did nothing...the America-haters around the world learned what they thought was a essential truth about the United States: Kill a few Americans and the most powerful nation on Earth will run away. This...is the strategy of Osama bin Laden.

...Pictures like those we saw from Fallujah last week should...anger us and strengthen our resolve. The response should not be to back away from the task, but to redouble our efforts...

...the gory carnival on the streets of Fallujah...was deliberate and it must be answered deliberately...

The rebels...in Fallujah ought to be hunted down...but they are not the only ones responsible. The public celebration that followed was licensed and encouraged by whatever leadership exists in Fallujah. Whether religious or secular, its insult, warning, and challenge has been broadcast around the world. It must be answered."

Click my name.

CDC'
Monday, April 5, 2004, at 17:07:47 (ZULU)

**********SniperQuest 2004 ****************

Well gang SQ 04 is only about 6 weeks away! The prize table is growing daily and it should be as good as last year! The "Top Gun" rifle is a real special weapon built by 4, yes FOUR, of the best smiths in the business, in my opinion anyway!

If your application isn't in yet get moving, we're going to have another great match this year!

Sarge

Sarge
Southern Area 51, New Mexico, USA - Monday, April 5, 2004, at 20:44:29 (ZULU)

The S is about to HTF in Fallujah. Our civilian leadership is smart. Click my name.

CDC'
Monday, April 5, 2004, at 21:21:11 (ZULU)

Hello All,

Just back from ABQ, stopped at Art's jerky, Bruce was right, jerky is excellent and Art is the salt of the earth.

Bruce, sorry we could not get together for that beer, maybe next time around. Tried a micro brew called Fat Tire at the Fox and Hound, pretty good beer and the food was good too, oh, and very nice scenery as well. ;) Gave your name and address out at our FOP meeting and told them what you were doing. Don't know what will happen, hopefully some of them will send you a check.

BKS, did the box arrive yet?

Take care all!

Rob Opp

Robert Opp
Jamestown, ND, USA - Monday, April 5, 2004, at 21:42:05 (ZULU)

Just adopted a Force Recon platoon and also a platoon of SEALs.

Two more platoons of MC S/S coming up too. This thing has taken off.

www.snipersonline.org - please donate if you can.

Payback is a bitch Osama.

brian k. sain
Monday, April 5, 2004, at 21:52:49 (ZULU)

test - zulu test.... Bruce gave me his annual zulu time offset adjustment reminder call today ....LOL...

ken hunter
nokesville, va, USofA - Monday, April 5, 2004, at 23:46:06 (ZULU)

A 308 achieves maximum powder burn at around 20" of barrel length. Does anyone know when a 338 Ultra Mag achieves maximum powder burn, or where I can go to find out?

I'm going to be building a 338 Ultra Mag for target shooting from 1000-1600K. Any suggestions?

Thank you for your input.

Semper Fi,

Lt Jarr

USMC

Lt Jarr
Miramar, CA, USA - Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 00:19:52 (ZULU)

Got through 2 weeks of class with quite good results. PR7 turned out 8 pretty good shooters. Had a 12/14 and 13/14 first round hits from 250 to 764 on the first UKD shoot. Everybody got multiple hits on the 1000 yard target, good wind calls running 1/2 mil right to 2 mils left. Nice little fishtail going on and the observers kept up pretty good. The first 5 day FTX class ended up with 7 shooters, one no show. 8 missions in 5 days, 5 "full profile", insert to extract. The last mission ended with some really nasty weather, 45 degs and rain throughout the night. The final shoot-ex was cancelled, I think we needed sonar and Mk 48's. Everyone did right fine jobs and learned a great deal. We've scheduled one more PR7 and an FTX for later in the year, check the office or the web site.

Cory Trapp
Paulden, AZ, USA - Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 01:29:26 (ZULU)

On another note, I'm doing a T&E on an Armalite AR-30 in .338LM. Initial impressions.

Good - Makes weight, 15 lbs with a Nightforce 5.5 x 22. Nice trigger right from the box, 3 lbs, crisp. Scope base nice and solid, 'T' shaped recoil lug and #10 screws. Recoil almost non-existant. The muzzle break is ugly, but it works. 3 shots to zero after the collimator indicated 0,0. First shot dead on at 25 yards, 100 yards 6 inches high, down 6 minutes on the NF knobs, prints first round dead on the crosshair. 4 more make a .454" group edge to edge. Seems to shoot.

Not so good - Enormous channel under bbl invites all sorts of crap to collect, needs a foam filler. Bolt lift very stiff, fairly rough action. Will probably need more than 15 MOA of slope in the base, we'll know more tomorrow when I get out to 1300. No way to operate safety in firing position. Magazine VERY loose fit. Any pressure on mag binds bolt, will not feed or extract. Pistol grip makes rapid bolt work very difficult.

Cory Trapp
Paulden, AZ, USA - Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 01:43:49 (ZULU)

Is there any solders that have been in Iraq that can back up the radiation poisoning stories that are floating on the net?

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/180333p-156685c.html

Double Tap
IN, 46375 - Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 03:28:37 (ZULU)

Lt. Jarr, Mike Miller has an article in Reviews about the 338 Ultra. Worked well for him.

Any crowd of people that celebrate the killing and mutilation of Americans do not deserve to be alive. If we are going to establish a democracy in Iraq most of the enemy will have to die soon.IMHO

Fred Hartman
Toledo, Ohio, USA - Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 03:37:41 (ZULU)

Dan: My disclaimer on official positions was for the unknown folks who may have read my earlier posts...all the regulars know what I do here and are used to my musings. Sorry if it sounded like I directed it at you or any regular; it wasn't---I was just coverin' my ass on an opinion that had the potential to get pretty parallel with reality.

Double Tap: That stuff is nasty (DU), but there are very narrow ways to get exposed. Souvenir hunting is one easy way, but there are other issues...There are so many other parasitic infections, bacterial infections, and molds that are new (for us)that are causing health issues. God knows what I've caught (its going around pretty hard)--but it is unlike anything I've had before. The point is, the DU issue is serious, and must be tracked, but there are other issues that will cloud the causes of any health problems from this expeditionary adventure. The smoke stacks here at Doha---hell, nobody knows what that stuff is blowing across our camp. I ran through some thick concentrations just before I got sick. It was like breathing fiberglass---instant irritation. The docs say "no relation" but I ain't believing it for a minute. The point is, there are so many variables in play that DU is not a major concern by itself. And, concentrations of DU dust are only found in places you ain't supposed to be playing around. Like enemy armor. We had that happen here with war trophies. Those vehicles have joined the bone yard way out in the desert. It is dangerous, and I wouldn't discount the issue altogether. Hell, the misses had to do some shedding just hitting sand, eh? But I have to think that there are so many other health issues that come into play that muddy these waters. Any acute DU health issues will most likely be from stupid curiousity. The chronic stuff is going to be a major problem sorting thru the myriad of crap that floats through the air in the region...like the pnuemonia thing last year. Who knows what causes all the problems...?

On my x wife number one: She found me HERE! Heheh. My SC posts are google-able. Apparantly, there's a photo out there too.

Joe M.

Joe Mahon
Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 09:01:04 (ZULU)

Fred; If I were allowed to express a political opinion without a bunch of shit coming down it would be in agreement with what you said if I understood you right. We just can't deal with these people the way we are. The only way there will be peace in Iraq is if everybody there has left the country. The society and opposing forces (opposing each other) there just doesn't/ hasn't allowed for peace and co-existance with any other. American's don't understand that because the country is different and trying to get along between factions and races is their prayer since the Civil War finally has subsided. The people of the middle east don't have that prayer in spite of their insistance they are a peace loving religious country. IT's in their religion and their culture and it's not going to change soon. They only respect power and force of arms. They can be scared into peace but never threatened by prospects of war and weak presence/occupancy of foreign powers.

Cory; my impressions of the AR-30 were about the same as yours. You could run a goat between that barrel and the supporting (hard to call it a stock)Frame. The pistol grip was not my favorite Item either although I have a Plaster Choate that looks about the same it doesn't bother me the way the AR-30 did. Shooting accuracy fair and trigger nice.

Brogers
Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 12:40:29 (ZULU)

'yote-Bait,

Mornin' Mr. Bill,

Stand by to repel boarders! ;o) We plan to arrive in your AO on the evening of 10 June and probably leave Sunday evening or Monday. Last time I checked there were seventeen of us. Wonder what sort of "entertainment" Velma will come up with this time.

Doc

Doc Holloway
The balmy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 13:07:45 (ZULU)

Gents,

The net picture:

http://images.google.com/images?q=Joe+Mahon&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=20&sa=N

I guess the photo was taken in 97, when I was flying Hueys in the DC area supporting the National Scout Jamboree. Fun mission, Secret Service sniper ride one night (POTUS coverage)...volley ball by day. Oh, and my team won first place in the tournament too. Well, now ya'll can see the scoundrel middle-man in the GFG program.

Joe M.

joe mahon
Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 13:34:56 (ZULU)

Among Shia clerics, there's an ongoing struggle to control the official message. The radicals in Iran, Palestine, etc are using this dumb kid Sadr. We just painted a bulls-eye on him.

"The sky is not falling. The decision to confront the Muqtada al-Sadr's challenge to rule-of-law and liberty will cause a short-term spike in violence, but lead to long-term improvement. Iraqis see any failure to defend rule-of-law as Coalition weakness. How could the United States be serious about democracy, Iraqis ask, when we left such a challenge to rule-of-law go unchallenged? Thankfully, Iraqis now know that we will meet challenges head-on. It is a lesson that should also be understood in Syria and Iran."

Click my name.

Remember what happened during the Tet Offensive. The NLF came out of hiding and attacked US and RVN forces. We killed almost all of them. The big media showed pictures of an insignificant squad action at our embassy and played it as an American defeat. Poor, befuddled old Walter Cronkite (the most trusted dim-bulb in America) went on his broadcast and, in his solemn baratone, said something like, "It's now clear to this reporter that our effort in Viet Nam is certain to fail."

A majority of TV zombies bought it and defeat was snatched from the jaws of victory.

Some stuff in Iraq is burning. We're taking some casualties. Don't let the media fool you. We're winning.

CDC'
Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 14:01:08 (ZULU)

Major Joe,

I'm just a dumbass so please tell me which photo is yours.

Doc

Doc Holloway
The balmy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 14:09:26 (ZULU)

Thanks to Gerry in OR and Bill and Judy in CA, We're back up to $123.20.

Plus got a phone call from an outfit in CA yesterday wanting to know where to send a $1500.00 check to.

Folks, if you got an Email from Insain, respond to it, and respond generously. Brian is one of the white hats. He's doing great things for the guys on the sharp end. I am proud to call him a friend.

Joe:

Gotta make a run to the Rez today for more chaw, then your boxes go out tomorrow. Jerky, chaw, squeeze bottles, and your flag and shirt from Art. Siphoned off about 15 packs of jerky to use as padding in a shipment of Mildot Masters going to a bunch of Marine snipers on a ship, getting ready to deploy to A'stan........they also got some bumper stickers and a front license plate.

Art is expanding his GFG program to accept donations of things like baby wipes, sunscreen, lip balm, etc.........which CB and I can collect when we make the run up there to collect the jerky.

I'm Emailing him the list you gave me. He'll post it in the shop.

Y'all Stay Safe.

Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas,, NM, USA - Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 16:18:08 (ZULU)

In Fallujah: "First, the Marines are moving at a far faster tempo than predicted. Also, they seem less impeded by civilians and don't seem to need to process them out of the way. It appears they are looking through specific places without having to do a block by block search, perhaps because they have better intel. Second, the Marines are operating over a far wider area than Fallujah. They seem to be raiding throughout the environs, perhaps using the mini-raid method discussed in Operation Mountain Storm. Mobility and networked resources allow them to create a "virtually everywhere" type of combat presence."

Click my name.

CDC'
Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 16:19:20 (ZULU)

Doc: I won't agree with you there....so put on yer reading glasses and look for a volley ball. Heheh. As for the rest of those shots, one guy of the same name is a college-weenie academic who is smarter than this Joe, and my current before/ after shots would be a great ad for potato chips---not the gym! Heheh. OK, if all else fails, it's the shot with BDUs and teeshirts...and my trademark ragged-edge of regulation hair.

Joe M.

joe mahon
Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 16:27:41 (ZULU)

Last one. Eight Blackwater employees repel 'hundreds' of Iraqi militia. Click my name.

CDC'
Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 16:30:51 (ZULU)

Ref Blackwater. Them dudes got it going on. Bet they slayed the crap outta them A-holes. So much for them being a soft target, huh. Bet the rags didn't know what they were getting into when they attacked them.

Joe, I'm as dumb as Doc I couldn't find the picture either. If Doc found it, well, I'm dumber. I didn't see a volleyball in any of those shots.

Double tap, I'm sure if there was any radiation posioning taking place we would know. It would validate the weapons of mass destruction idea.

Dirty Steve, Out.

Steve Dickerson
San Antonio, Texas, US of A by God - Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 17:18:12 (ZULU)

Major Joe,

I finally solved the mystery, I think. For some strange reason your photo isn't on that page. I clicked on the advanced search link and found a picture of an Army dude by the same name as yours. Knew it couldn't be you because this guy isn't near as ugly as most chopper drivers I've known. ;o)

WY6,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The balmy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 17:25:01 (ZULU)

Mahon's picture is on page 1..the link puts you on page 2.

medicjim
Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 17:31:53 (ZULU)

Well, it was on page two for my check...so I linked it. Hey, maybe google shuffles them up? Heheh. Now the really disturbing part is that photo is out there, and I never knew it until today. Even though info is great---too much is a baad thing.

Joe M.

joe mahon
Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 18:36:18 (ZULU)

OK, guys.. Here it goes...

My department(Memphis PD)pistol team is hosting a NRA Regional PPC pistol match on the 23-25 of April and we need some door prizes. If you guys want some free advertising as a sponsor, send me a T shirt, coffee mug, hat, or a product and you will be listed as a sponsor in the match and the item will be given as a door prize. Our team is NOT funded by the dept, and does all of its own fund raising. Any help is greatly appreciated...

Send to:

Officer Chris Jamison

MPD FTU

4399 O.K. Robertson Rd.

Memphis, TN 38127

(901)354-1680

I will happily fax or mail you a dept. letterhead with info if need for a tax deduction...

Again, Thanks in Advance for your support... Chris Jamison

Chris Jamison
Memphis , TN , USA - Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 19:44:51 (ZULU)

Back from the Rez, spent $126.00 on chaw, leaving us $2.80 in the hole (for now). When that $1500 check comes in, Art's gonna be busy.

Joe,

Boxes (finally) go out tomorrow. Be sure and snag your flag and shirt before you divvy the stuff up.

And tell the Marines around Fallujah to remember the verse (fourth verse, if I recollect right) from the classic Tennessee Ernie Ford song, "Sixteen Tons"....

"If you see me comin', better step aside.

A lotta men didn't, a lotta men died.

One fist of iron, the other of steel,

If the right one don't get ya, then the left one will."

Y'all Stay Safe.

Bruce N. Robinson
Los Lunas,, NM, USA - Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 20:58:16 (ZULU)

Reports say the insurgents in Fallujah aren't "shooting and scooting"; they're digging in and fighting.

They can't be that stupid.

CDC'
Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 23:20:38 (ZULU)

Here is a link to a movie about Uranium munitions use and hazards. If there is anyone that needs the info (military personal) try this link.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3581.htm

I have not seen the movie I have dial up service, if someone can view it post a remark good or bad to see if it sounds legit.

Double Tap
IN, USA - Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 23:51:07 (ZULU)

A word of caution for anyone thinking of ordering from this company: http://www.tacticalshop.com/

In Feb. I ordered an Eagle Stock Pack from these people, paid with a money order. Money order cashed, no merchandise to date. I called the telephone # and found that it is disconnected. I've sent 5 emails, all unanswered. I can understand if they are back ordered but I would think that they could at least answer my email and let me know if that is the case. I think I'm out $30. Dang I hate people like this!

Rant mode off.

Rob Opp

Robert Opp
Jamestown, ND, USA - Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 02:50:19 (ZULU)

Doc; Sounds good, if there are 17 of you... you might just have enough re-enforcements to get a beer in that Mexican beer joint. But be sure you all have your Kabars with you. It's all quiet out at Velma's. Don't thing she's had a drug raid or fugutive picked up in over a week now. It's not a tough town out here just tough to find a beer where you can drink it in peace without getting your throat cut. Ha, as you well know. Looking forward to it! The Dogs are so bad the county is controling on private land with 4 wheelers and bad tasting grain. A little lead poison won't hurt em much.

Brogers
Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 04:10:16 (ZULU)

Gentlemen,(ladies too)

If any of you PA residents are interrested, the new PA assault weapons ban, House Bill # 2451 is out in full bloom. Looks like they want them all. This is bad. Very bad.

Go here if you want a look :http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/ALL/2003//0//HB2451.HTM

Did I mention this is bad. Very bad. I see many angry letters and phone calls in my future.

Steve Racer
Dillsburg, PA, - Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 05:49:09 (ZULU)

I just got a virus email from Pete R.(site admin). I know he didn't send it and I didn't open it but "heads up".

John

Acehigh
Home again, IN, USA - Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 12:00:04 (ZULU)

Steve; your surely right about that being bad. Did you mention that? This is about the worst most restrictive bill I've seen and probably won't pass due to constitutional infringements regarding the required background checks of the owners of the grandfathered weapons but you never know how they might strip it down and push it through. The bastards never go away. They always get just a little something from things like this and God help us all if a statte were to enact such a law as this, would prove we are fighting for out freedom in the wrong place again. What is your make up there in the state house? This looks like a bunch of fool Democrats with time on their hands but what is your ratio there? That business about the barrel shroud is laughable but to those who "don't get it" who knows what they might do. Isn't that were we keep the Liberty Bell? Sometimes I"m glad I don't have much longer on this planet.

Hope you all had time to read Dan's story on the Blackwater stand off. Instead of a story of the bravery displayed here by the men that were there most of the press just marked on the fact that we had lost 4 civilian guards who were unable to protect themselves. "We has met the enemy and it is us! " Pogo.

Brogers
Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 12:09:43 (ZULU)

Back in krautland, Joe S gimmie a bell buddy..

only managed to get out stalking one morning (lazy sod Jon B wouldn't get out of his B&B bed n accompany me) only saw a doe.

Had some fun with the english firearms legislation folks, seems they don't know thier own laws(well most of them anyway), they have been cutting and pasting between UK and Euro laws and have managed to incorporate a firearms legislatio which seems to contradict its self on many points, eg. European and German law dictates that i can buy a rifle ( 3 actualy) or any major part of a rifle, bolt, reciever or barrel) any where in the EU. English law states that i can't, but then 3 paragraphs later it states that i can if i have the authority from my country of residence. My hunting license is my authority, but depending on which dealer (ffl) or firearms licensing authority i speak to in the UK, i can either buy or not as the case may be(depending on which paragraph they read,,by buy i mean pay for and leave with, as apposed to pay for and have sent to my home address in another EU country, all agree i can do the latter, funny, some of them (depending on which paragraph they read again)won't trust me, the law abiding gun owner with gun licenses from more countries than you can shake a stick at, to transport a rifle i just purchased back to mainland Europe, (along side the 308 i carried with me for hunting anyway) but they will trust the damn Pakki posty guy who picks it up, the post master who delivers it to the airport, the airline who handle the post, the turkish posty who drives the van here and the post girl (who is very nice by the way) who delivers the rifle to me on her bicycle.. aarrggg, anyways, when it comes to the crunch EU laws are actualy applicable over the laws of any EU member country. Seems that the UK don't know what the hell they are doing, they are trying to cherry pick bits of administration to restrict UK gun owners and have screwed up. Makes me wonder why i can have a pistol and a revolver in Germany and a Moderator in the UK but not vice versa, without a licence i can buy everything to reload ammo in Germany but the powder, in Holland (30 mins drive away) i can buy everything but the primers and in the Uk i can buy everything but the damn bullets (expanding.so by my traveling 30 minutes up the damn auto bahn, the law becomes useless, because i can hold powder, i just cant buy it. argg It explicitly says in black and white on my EU firearms pass that i do not need a visitors firearms permit for any other EU country if the purpose of my visit is to hunt or to competition shoot with a catagory C or D firearm ( shot gun or non semi auto rifle) but the UK insist on vistors obtaining a visitors permit. the EU is a farce.

Any body played with a titanium remington 700? i saw one in the UK going for a good price and thought it might be the answer to my rusting problems..

On top of all that i got a nice letterfrom the local Gov't , in English telling me i shoukld register to vote in the this years European parliament elections, too right i am going to bloody well vote.. for the BNP euro candidate if thereis one..

Dry.. you take a ride up north mate, the wheels of English nationalsim are starting to slowly turn, many many people are fired up about the imigration issue, white English is the ethnic minority in many areas and the ethnic majority tend to not let you forget it, plans for marches, which will undoubtably turn into riots and anti imigrant violence are bieng planned. Seems that Kosovans, Albanians and generaly former yougoslavs, followed by some former eastern block nationals are the top of the list followed by muslims. every one seems happy to have the Indians and chineese and the west indians,, but everything else every one wantsrif off big style..

Pete

Peter Lincoln
D - Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 12:29:34 (ZULU)

DU and Gulf War Syndrome...

Didn't the Gulf War Syndrome list DU as one of the more likely sources of many of the inflictions? I know destroyed pesticides and chemical weapons were also listed and no clear culprit was visible, but I thought DU was the most suspicious...

Northside Tommy

Northside Tommy
Harwood Heights, IL, United States of America - Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 12:40:16 (ZULU)

Pete L.

I got one awhile back from Marty that has a fluted bolt and 20 in barrel. It might weigh 4.0Kg total. It kinda kicks like a missouri mule but, then again, it's from there. I'm not sure if Marty built it or George but it's definitely as accurate and I think a tad smoother than any of the other 700s' I've got. It's also camo painted or tefloned so I can't comment on the finish durability but TI ain't supposed to rust is it??

John

Acehigh
Home again, IN, USA - Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 13:12:38 (ZULU)

The titanium Remmy has a titanium receiver, stainless barrel and somebody's plastic stock. Very light.

Sharon

Larry J. porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, U. S. of A!!!! - Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 15:13:07 (ZULU)

"Command Post" has a good play-by-play of Iraq ops. Click my name.

A couple of observations: We're sending in armor, air support (including AC130s) and reinforcements. The Enemy's "Blackhawk Down" strategy failed. The "Tet Offensive" scenario (by which we win on the ground but lose on TV) isn't happening. Our media no longer has a credible, dominant newspaper to set the agenda and a trusted but clueless network newsreader to bamboozle the rubes. The New York Times is a standing joke and t.v. news is fragmented and has lost much of its power.

So, if we're going to lose this one, they are going to need to use a different trick.

CDC'
Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 16:00:30 (ZULU)

This guy says the same thing but says it better. Click my name.

CDC'
Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 16:10:37 (ZULU)

Does anyone have a recommendation for which Badger rings to use on an AR10A4, should I go with the high rings or will the mediums work?

Thanks

Keith

Keith
Northcentral, WV, - Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 17:05:54 (ZULU)

Thanks for the comments on the titanium remmy, i do like that spiral fluted bolt look.. i was looking at egun today and there was exactly what i had been looking for for about 6 months, a stainless remmy 700 in 30-06 at a price that was right.so i bought it. by the time ive sold the stock, barrel and scope n mounts to some gulible german the action will be for free.. sorted..

Hell i just re discovered Scrumpy, bought 2 big jugs back from the UK, i'm just through my 1st glass and the shit is going to my head already, you tried that stuff yet JR? made from apples, makes you say oooh aarrr a lot and chew straw and lean on pitch forks whilst wearing long white cloaks and straw hats..

Jon B, why don't you tell us all about your side line as a street entertainer?

I got in contact with the company that coats the Sig 550 (StGW 90) for the Swiss, seems they are happy to accomodate civies with small orders or requirements, half decent price too.

Pete

Peter Lincoln
D - Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 18:47:26 (ZULU)

Keith Knotts,

I sent you something, but your addy bounced it. Hit me offline.

Matt K.
Chattanooga, TN, - Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 22:26:03 (ZULU)

Kieth, on the Badgers for your AR10...... What model scope are you using and do you have a flip down front sight? If you have a 50mm, you will need mediums or highs to get the bell up over the handguard. Call Marty at Badger, give him your scope model and he will probably be able to give you the exact rings that you need.

Bolt
NC, - Thursday, April 8, 2004, at 00:32:40 (ZULU)

http://www.txmarks.org/news/allarmy2004.htm

http://www.txmarks.org/news/allarmybyusamu.htm

Texans won BIG at the All-Army. Had good matches, gave away 20 trophy weapons, lots of prizes.

Most important, we trained 135-150 soldiers to shoot. To 500 yards. With rack-grade M16A2s and M16A4s.

M14s with irons, and M24s at 600, 800, and 1,000 yards.

sinister
Thursday, April 8, 2004, at 01:53:00 (ZULU)

Gents,

Sinister, sounds like you folks had a hoot. Nice to see somebody training to 500 yards. The Marines have always shot 200, 300, and 500 yards for qualification. I instills one of the supreme elements needed for combat...Confidence!

Started on a wallpaper removal in our guest bathroom. It's gone from that to new countertops/sink, new bath/shower unit, repair sub-floor.

You get the picture....how do women manage to get away with this all the time? Genetic or...?

Doc has cleared me to return to work on April 16th. I'm ready, but it's going to be a long road back, as they had me on limited physical activity until they could get the neural side of my brain and my muscles in sink. Yeah, I needed to get my head and ass wired together...:-)

CDC, appreciate your updates. Think your take is dead in the X-ring.

I'm hoping we don't pull out prematurely, because of the upcoming elections. We need to stay the course.

Seems they are blaming GWB for all that's transpired. From the economy, the Iraqi occupation, you name it. Americans have a short memory. Seems to me that all that came about because of the previous

president's policies that left us weak and set the stage for our current involvement.

Enough ranting.

Semper Fi,

Sir Wes

Wes Howe
Dallas, OR, USA - Thursday, April 8, 2004, at 05:25:19 (ZULU)

Brogers,

The part that really got me was the stuff about the pump-action guns. Where the hell did that come from? My one buddy at work was very dis-interrested before but, when his Rem. 760 was in question he was a little concerned. One of them 'not in my back yard' deals, right?

I too have little doubt it will pass as-is, if at all. We are pretty solidly Republican, forget the percentage right of the top of my head.The fat-head gov. is from that city with so much brotherly love. Yes, they have that there broken bell down there too, though you`d never know they actually remember that fact. All the sponsors of this piece of shit bill are Dems save for one. Fair to say she`s a RINO.

I e-mailed my representative last night. If he actually reads it, his scalp will be scortched. I`m not near done yet. I had every one I could corner at work today pissed off. This will not stand! No part of it! Give me liberty or give me death.

Did you catch the part about the State Police coming into your house to check on your evil assault weapon not more than once a year, I believe?! How nice of them to limit it to one visit a year! I gotta` go get some duct tape for my head, I feel something warm running down my neck. Excuse me...

Steve Racer
Dillsburg, PA, - Thursday, April 8, 2004, at 05:30:57 (ZULU)

Tony,

You have mail. N/A. Re: Mk 4 scope

John

Acehigh
Home again, IN, USA - Thursday, April 8, 2004, at 05:57:24 (ZULU)

Steve R. ,You ought to come to New Joisey !!

We have a law for every occasion ,including BB guns !!

Yes BB guns !! High cap Mags,HP Ammo, etc, etc, etc.

Joisey Steve

Steven Dzupin
Wayne, New Joisey ( peoples Republic of ), US of A - Thursday, April 8, 2004, at 10:35:18 (ZULU)

Steven Dzupin

Consider yourself lucky your not in the UK

The police come to visit your home, you supply 4 photographs, have the equivalent to a FBI back ground check. Two independent people that are well regarded in the community (but not police officers) who have known you for 5 years to supply statements. Be a member of a government registered shooting club for a minimum of 6months a minimum of a ¼” plate safe with 7 leaver locks connected to an internal brick wall. And they like to see an alarm system as well. Written permission for the land you want to shoot over, which has been check by the police that it is ok for that calibre of weapon. The police officer doubtless doesn’t shoot himself and was only allowed to be the firearms office because he has expressed a dislike for them. Have been told of instances where officers have been refused for firearms officers due to much interest or already shoots.

For this you get >>>>

Limited ammunition (specified for each calibre)

No pistols

No automatic weapons

No semi-auto rifles unless .22 rimfire

Limit on calibre’s allowed

Limit on number of weapons owned

No BB rifle unless under 12ftlb unless on firearms certificate

Oh and a bolt action rifle if they cant find a reason to refuse you.

Sorry for the rant but in was conceived in the USA and missed being a duel citizen by 2months never forgave my mother for that one. And would love to have some of the freedoms that you do.

Lucky sods.

Dry
uk - Thursday, April 8, 2004, at 12:56:20 (ZULU)

Question: What's the legal name for someone who gives aid and comfort to the enemy?

Answer: Senator.

Click my name for good Iraq sitrep. Remember that things are never as bad (or good) as first reports suggest.

Note that Egypt's Islamic Brotherhood has thrown in with Sadr, who has - in turn - sided with Hamas and Hezbullah. Their C&C is shot. They have no arty, air-cover, armor or resupply. A very few are well trained. Most are untrained rag-bags. They are trying to make Iraq's Shiites think that we'll cave and that the Shiites better get on board. Senator's Kennedy and Byrd are cooperating fully. This is the "Tet" strategy.

Our Civilian Command has seen this trick before. The answer is to fight to win. That's what we'll do.

CDC'
Thursday, April 8, 2004, at 14:18:13 (ZULU)

MattK, e-mail coming your way sub. AR10 rings.

Bolt, I will be using a Leupold MKIV scope on this rifle. I am not to concerned about the scope clearing the rifle but more concerned about the cheekweld on the stock and alignment with the scope. I don't have the fold-down sight yet, but I plan to get it as part of the backup sights.

Alan sent me an e-mail and said Marty told him to get the ultra-high rings for his AR10T. So that is probably the route I will go.

Thanks for all the input guys.

Who is going to be at the ASC this year. John (Aceigh) and Kevin (Andy's Dad) you guys are going to be there right? Danny and Charlie are plannning to be there.

Keith

Keith
Northcentral, WV, - Thursday, April 8, 2004, at 14:22