Steve Six, I would recommend the Dillon 550B but I'm not anal about reloading. I believe practice is far more important than Bench Rest accuracy. The 550 reloads very good ammo but if I was doing BR stuff I would use a single stage.
Dirty Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <Ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, US of A - Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 02:02:06 (ZULU)
You have mail, no attachments.
Jody Calhoun <gotrektheslayer@comcast.net>
Saraland, AL- Heart of Dixie, USA - Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 02:32:31 (ZULU)
Testing a couple of Powder's tomorrow we hope. Should be interesting ... VARGET VS..Powder "X"... Tune in at 6 for a live report!
Steve; You can get as precision or complex as you want with reloading. Forsake not the fine measurements and remember that consistancy is God in this business. All that stuff you mentioned may seem anal but it's like my hunting partner and I were talking to night. "We measure every charge to within a .1 grain, not because we think our equipment might vary... We measure it because we want to know for sure that if something varys our powder measurements have not! We trim everything to exact dimensions not because we know it will make a difference but if something is making a difference we know that it is not our dimensions!"
But every thing has it's limits and Bench rest techniques might just affect your mental health if you are exposed for years to that kind of precision.
Brogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
- Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 05:53:08 (ZULU)
"Going to war without the French is like going deer hunting without a accordian player"
Eric Reinhard <reinhards@cox.net>
Abilene, TX, USA - Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 10:07:32 (ZULU)
Check this out,Kalifornicstan usin big brother web on gun owners
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/02/28/MN40941.DTL
OUT
G.W
Gavan Willis <gwillis@simplex.net.au>
- Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 10:18:29 (ZULU)
Brodgers, thanks for your input. I hope I didn't offend with the "anal" comment. If all of the fine measurements are necessary for accuracy then they're not anal.
In fact, I'd like to have a lot of the equipment in the Sinclair catalog, however, costs would really add up. That's why I'll be looking for a reloading manual(s) that explain what's really necessary initially (and why) vs. what's nice to have vs. when you're ready to go all out.
That way I can start out with the basic equipment I really need and add the extras as required without spending money on equipment I'm not ready for or don't really need.
Dirty Steve, a lot of people have recommended the 550B and get good results with it. The capability of the 550B is not in question. The concerns I've read about with the 550B are that, with a progressive, there's too much happening at once for a novice to keep track of.
I'm not sure what to think about that argument, but the potential problem is easily avoided by starting with the AT500 and upgrading later if needed. I'm still leaning towards the 500. An added benefit is that I could save some money on the initial set up.
First things first, though. I still need to read up. Has anyone read "Handloading for Competition" by Glen Zediker or "The Precision Shooting Reloading Guide" and if so, would you recommend them?
Thanks again
Steve <stevesix@hotmail.com>
Tampa Bay, FL, USA - Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 10:32:32 (ZULU)
Sierra reloading manual is a must. Newer edition the better. Even if some of youse guys don't use it, I know you have at least one edition on your shelf..It's informative. Hodgdon manuals, I like the powder manufacturers reloading books, as most of them are using ballistic test barrels to come up with their data. Cartridges of the world by Frank Barnes, just for a read. There's a start anyway. Pick up whatever books you can, you can never have enough books..
Bill,
I respect the hell out of the BR guys, but, I LIKE the tactical crowd. More my kinda people.. I bet if ya popped ina shooters pub, you could spot the dif between the two types. BR would order a half pint of lager, a shooter would order the pint. BR would talk your ear off about how the night before he separated each grain of powder by hand under an electron microscope, using only the very best, as this is what gave him a .125" group instead of that .128" group the week before. A shooter would all ready be 3/4 thru his second pint, explaining to you he was running late this morning, so he quick grabbed some emptys, scooped up some 4350, planted his bullets, checked OAL in the car on the drive to the range, and by gawd he wish he knew how much powder he threw, cuz hell he shot all right today, won some damned plaque he ain't got room fer.. BR would come over to shooters table after draining his half, leaving a little at the bottom of the glass, congratulate him, but better get home, got some reloading to do. Shooter would shake BR's hand, tell 'im thanks and good luck tomorrow, order another round as we're not done tellin lies..
You don't meet guys like Brian Sain over the bench..Like I said, my kinda people.
Said all in fun youse humourless bench rats, ha... I'll never forget the order for a BR blank that came thru when I was at SoDak. Tolerance was 0.0000" on groove diameter, no room, he wanted it exact to his last barrel.. Soop says 'he wants a hummer', I said 'well, he better talk to Janet on that one boss!! I just make the barrels..' hah...
Consistency is the main thing, that's why you reload. Like Bill said, if you keep everything uniform, well, it makes it easier to troubleshoot if some problems arise.. Same with anything I guess..
later
JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland - Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 12:54:32 (ZULU)
The 550B is a good buy for novice or experienced. If you like, you may run one case at a time through, just as you will when setting it up. The dodgy part for me is the powder measure, but they sell a part that allows one to pour the charge in with a funnel.
That said, I still load the bulk of rounds I shoot on a Rockchucker. Last year it was about 4000, for Highpower and Palma.
The Dillon is mostly used for AR ammo and .45 ACP, about 4000 of those, also. The count would be higher, but I have yet to get the dies and setup for an XC gun.
I wish that Zedicker's book had been available when I first got started. PS guide, not so much.
I find reloading very tedious and try to cut as much time from it as possible while producing the best quality I can. Among your tools should be a chronograph, I believe. Ranks right up there with a powder measure, and can save a lot of time.
Feel free to e-mail.
Jim <broonsma@prodigy.net>
PDX, Or, USASteve in Tampa - Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 13:02:39 (ZULU)
After the Dogs! See ya'll tonight. Let's see I got my binos my rifle my shells my diabetes and my nitro. Here's to it!
Brogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
- Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 13:27:03 (ZULU)
IMHO you select the reloading equipment to match your skill and capability of your stick. If both of you can shoot 1/4 MOA consistency then a single stage press with all the bells are needed.
If you shoot MOA then the progressive press should meet you needs
with the min bells
if you shoot 2 MOA maybe a Lee powder scoop and a Ideal handloader will fit your needs.
Pick your equipment and increase quality as your skill improves
most loading equip will reload ammo to exceed most shooters skills if they adhear to the basic princples and I agree that consistency is one of the most important parts of the reloading skills.
Why reload 1. save money--- more bang for the buck. 2 custom tailor ammo to your shooting needs. 3.take advantage of the accuracy of your particular stick. there is some excellance factory ammo out there.
IMHO
Semper Fi
Bomac <biker3@earthlink.net>
- Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 15:35:11 (ZULU)
People commiting crime of this sort are not punished, theft, burgulary etc has become de-criminalised in Europe, if i find out who it was he better get ready to say goodbye to his frigging knee caps, nice little trick with the cordless drill should refrain him from further crime.
On a brighter note, was in town this morning for the yearly carneval celebrations, there was a heavey police presence and they did a good job, and i was pleased to see only one person using the occasion as a political arena to spout anti war crap. The Germans, and i am convinced of this fact and have taken Marco's girlfriend out of the equasion as she is Dutch, do definately have the very best looking female law officers i have ever seen, it almost makes you want to get arrested just to give em your number...
JR n Jon, getting ready for the IWA!!!, i'm getting thirsty JR...maybe we can hitch you up with one of these fraulines ?!!
Pete
Peter Lincoln <anke_pete@t-online.de>
D - Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 18:38:45 (ZULU)
I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell you to get these books, but they came recommended to me. I'm just starting out as well. I found a guy who is willing to coach me some, so I can cut down on the learning curve. These are some of the books that have been recommended to me:
'ABCs of Reloading'
'Metallic Cartridge Reloading'
'Handloading for Competition'
'Sierra 5th Ed. Rifle manual'
I'm just about done with the handloading for comp book. It's very detailed, but a bit over my head. I think it will be an excellent reference after I have some loading experience under my belt. It is definitely written with the highpower shooter in mind. The ABC book was a little more helpful initially.
The gentleman who has agreed to coach me also recommended starting with a 550. It's what he uses so it's nice to know someone who already has it figured out and is willing to help.
Hope that helps,
John Levens
PS I'm now getting infected mail. Last one from Gooch. I have to admit it made me smile. I feel like I'm starting to belong. Of course I'll smile even bigger when we get news that Bolt has nailed the SOB.
John Levens <SirSaxII@aol.com>
Ft. Worth, TX, USA - Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 18:49:09 (ZULU)
Let's discuss your "select the reloading equipment to match your skill and capability of your stick". I think that's OK if you are satisfied with the status quo, but not if you want to improve your marksmanship.
I look at the rifle and ammo as tools with which to measure my marksmanship skill. In engineering, we want our tools to be an order of magnitude more precise than the thing which we are measuring. At that point, the error in the tool is insignificant compared to what's being measured. If you find something out of spec, it's the process, not the measurement.
I want to know that when a shot is blown, it is my fault. Then I am able, if inclined, to analyze my behavior and find the error of my ways. If the rifle or ammo are suspect, then I may be tempted to blow off a miss as being other-related. It's harder to pick out my contribution to the problem if the rifle/ammo are somewhat random.
Now, I am not saying I go for bench-rest precision ammo if I'm a MOA+ shooter. But I will go for the best ammo I can craft or buy with the tools/funds available. Ditto for rifle and accessories. In the hopes that someday I won't have the excuse "It shoots better than I do."
Mike
BMG Mike <bmgman@swbell.net>
- Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 19:00:31 (ZULU)
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
CA, USA - Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 19:37:07 (ZULU)
Zediker's books are great, and funny too! IMHO, you use what you've got until your ability or your rifles quality shows you that your ammo is holding you back from further improvement. Then you correct that problem and start searching for the next thing to fix. Always keep a control setup that stays constant and make only one change at a time. This will keep you from chasing your tail.
No need for the high production setups until you have discovered your "pet" loads and want to crank out a bunch of keepers. Too much setup time on the multi loaders when you're changing bullets, OAL's, powder and charges, primers, brands of brass, etc.
Years ago, I went to Wilson bench dies and a Sinclair arbor press with a Redding 3BR measure so I can brew up ten of this and twenty of that without having to reset everything on my Dillon 650 everytime a newly tried load was disappointing. If you're doing everything right you'll eventually find a keeper round to set up your production stuff for, and you'll buy bulk quantities of the components used. Makes no sense to hear about a "magic load" then crank out a hundred plus rounds only to find out after twenty rounds that it doesn't work worth a crap in your rifle.
One more piece of advice, then I'll shut up. There are certain loads with bullets, cases, primers, OAL's, and powders (&charges) that are known to the old graybeards as naturals in certain calibers. You'll hear something like "if this load doesn't shoot for you, there's something wrong with you or your rifle." It's probably true! Start with them to save alot of time, money, and worry.
Eric,
I've played with some scopes in the Nikon Monarch line and IMHO they are excellent and well worth the money. Bear in mind that they are not made to drop off cliffs, etc. but they are not priced that way either!
Haven't had the chance to investigate their new Monarch Gold 30mm tube line or their Tactical lineup. I understand that Undude is testing the Tac's for a review, hopefully soon.
HTH, ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, Colorado, USA - Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 20:02:59 (ZULU)
I'd get the AT500 and a toolhead that will allow you to use standard dies.
I'd get a set of Redding Competition dies in 308 or a set of Redding S type dies in 308 and an Forster Ultra seater. When I ordered the bushings for the neck sizer, I'd load a bullet in and measure the diameter of the loaded neck, then order that exact same size and one smaller.
I'd get a RCBS hand primer.
I'd get a RCBS 5-0-5 scale.
I'd get a Forster Bonanza case trimmer set or a wilson case trimmer set.
I'd get a Holland VLD camfer tool for inside mouth camfer and use it for both, it'll knock the side shaving off with the edge.
I'd get a sinclair or Lyman flash hole de-burring tool.
I'd get a $25 set of calipers and an extra shell holder.
THEN:
I'd get one bag of Winchster 308 brass and trim it to 2.005", debur the flash hole and put a camfer in the case mouth.
I'd get 50 Lapua 308 cases. Trim to 2.005" (they won't need it) and put a camfer inside the case mouth. (that's more than what they'll need)
I'd get 100 WLR standard primers and 100 Federal 210M's.
I'd get 1lbs VarGet.
I'd get 1 box 175 SMK's, non Moly.
I'd load 20 WLR's into the hand primer and prime out 20 of the winchester cases, then measure out 44.2gr VarGet, charge the case and seat a 175SMK to 2.810" and put them aside.
Now, I'd take 10 Lapua cases and prime them with Fed 210M's and charge them with 44gr Varget and seat a 175SMK to 2.827".
I'd take the other 10 and primer them with 210M's, charged with 45gr Varget and seat a 175SMK to 2.827".
Now,, go shoot the 20 winchster loads at 100, and the first 10 44gr Lapua cases at 100 yards, you should have 6 sub 3/4 moa groups. Now,, feeling cocky, take the last 10 Lapau loads, drop back to 300 and shoot a 1.5" group.
The 45gr load sucks at 100, but it starts to work it's majic at 300 and beyond. The other two loads work good at 100 yards with factory chambers and barrels, but start to show their ass beyond 600.
Now,, I have to advise that you work up your loads. Beyond that,, this stuff is too easy. Don't sweat the small shit.
Maybe 'Lito could post his procedure for loading lapua cases. it is FAR shorter than my disertaion.
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
- Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 20:06:06 (ZULU)
brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 23:13:02 (ZULU)
I would like to buy about two months of little global warming if anyone has any to spare.
Bolt <reeldoc@triad.rr.com>
NC, - Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 00:02:05 (ZULU)
Gary Kaney <yenak.gl@verizon.net>
N.W., ILL, - Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 00:24:11 (ZULU)
http://www.pbase.com/image/13820751
Wasn't sure if I ever got you a copy of this one.
~DA
DakotaAviator <DakotaAviator@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 02:31:58 (ZULU)
Ho Hum! If you like the smaller grains for dumping... but we found no real differnce in the Lyman dumper. NADA. Maybe 500 yard test in the next few days. Wind too high less the results be skewed.
Chris; you got the formula. That's all good advice.
Had to grin a bit in places as the practicality and irony of it all!
Brogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
- Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 02:51:12 (ZULU)
Buy Redding dies as mentioned above. Buy the best stuff at the beginning, otherwise you'll buy "again". Sucks. I started out w/ RCBS and Hornady dies. Went to Forster and Redding. Nothing wrong w/ Forsters. Cheaper than Redding, but Redding is the "one".
Lapua brass. Too much variance w/ the others if you buy a box of 100 at a time. Pick your primer, but WLR works good for me. VARGET! Temp. stable. Same load year round. 44gr and a 175 SMK works pretty well. Work up to it.
I use an old JR RCBS press. 28 yrs old. Rockchuckers are good.
Forster case trimmer, 505 powder scale, dribbler, 3 BR measure, (I don't have one, I still use my old Ohaus). RCBS Case Master (set it on a SOLID surface, no padding underneath, and watch your "rolling" technique.)
On the Lapuas, some guys don't, but I deburr the flash-holes and ream the primer pockets w/ the Sinclair tools.
I "BUMP" the shoulder on my cases every time after I shoot 'em in a Redding Body Die. Then I neck size w/ a Redding Bushing die. Check length. Use the fancy Redding mic-type bullet seater. Most, 95 out of 100 will run out at .003" or less and most of THEM at right around .001". The few that run-out more I can use for the 200 and 300 yd lines at our matches. Everything else is good to go thru 1K.
Get a good Chrono. I have the Millenium, but there are those that prefer other brands. As long as it works.
I buy most of my stuff like dies and tools from Sinclair. Good outfit and only a flat rate of $6.95 S&H
I have shot 1/2 moa all the way from 200 thru 1k yds. w/ this set-up.
I just wish it was all on the same day!!
MAMA NATURE SUCKS!!
I probably forgot something...
YMMV
My .02 cents.
Works for me.
Semper-Fi,
Spud
HA!
Dennis B. Queen <usmcspud@msn.com>
Merced, Kalisocialistfornia, USA - Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 03:15:29 (ZULU)
Sain, When are you comming up this way, we need to party again. You signed up for the Badlands Match yet.
Kevin, Your New AR Upper is bustin its first holes tomarro. Stay tuned.
George Out
George Gardner, G.A.Precision <a10xrifle@aol.com>
NKC, MO, USA - Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 04:35:11 (ZULU)
Tony B., got the fax. You have saved me much trouble! Thanks for your quick support! You are definately one of the good guys here!
Must be why I hang around here! I won't let virus spreadin' rodents and African bankers run me off!
Les
Les <LesMartin338@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 05:53:50 (ZULU)
Gary Kaney <yenak.gl@verizon.net>
N.W., ILL, - Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 11:10:42 (ZULU)
I had a lot of questions that I didn't ask cause I didn't want to clog up the roster with a bunch of newbie questions. That's why I figured I start with a few good books.
Chris, Spud, Alan, Jim, and Brodgers answered a lot of the questions I left unasked. Advice saved to a file and printed. Thanks.
Books (and videos) will be ordered tommorow. I think the opinions and advice about getting started will be invaluable in achieving my "only buy once" objective.
Thanks again
Steve <stevesix@hotmail.com>
Tampa Bay, FL, USA - Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 12:19:37 (ZULU)
Titan <hatherly1@comcast.net>
, Michigan, United States of America - Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 13:08:21 (ZULU)
Missed serveral Prairie Dogs and went to check Zero on the Chinese BSA Mildot scope. Sure Nuff 2 inch low and 1 right. Cause yet to be determined. Gun shot dead on 1/2MOA after that. We'll get to the bottom of it. Found the other TASCO 30mm 8X40x60 Custom shop beauty makes a fair spotting scope. Other than Tent peg hammer it's not worth much. IF it had Mil Dots it would be nice for ranging but nada.
Off to the Sagebrush.
Brogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
- Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 13:21:43 (ZULU)
Yote Bait, Been a lot of Yodel dogs around here lately. I saw one yesterday I was going to try to shoot with the Glock as a mercy killing. He was in sad shape, limping with real thin hair. Tail was with out the longer hairs. Damn thin was skinny as a rail. He kept stepping behind bushes as I would get lined up for the shot. Felt bad about not getting him. The only day my AR was tucked a way were I couldn't get it.
Pete L. don't feel to bad about the smash and grab. In Texas its a misdemeanor crime, used to be a felony. We caught a guy recently that was out of jail on bond for 6 burglary of vehicles and we got him on two more. He said that's fine the sentances will be concurrent so I don't care. I wish I were a judge. But I guess there can be only one Judge Roy Bean.
Steve6, Definitly buy the Redding dies. No if ands or buts. There are cheaper dies but not better. Ok, there might be better (I don't know all that's out there) but you wont regret getting them.
Bolt how do you like the weather? Your getting what we had on Tues and Weds. I had to qualify with my shooting Irons wearing a dang parka. Instructor said you gunna take off the jacket. I says nope, I'll drop some points plus its good practice.
Dirty Steve, out.
Dity Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <Ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, US of A - Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 14:20:35 (ZULU)
Bolt: Hang in their bro. We're taking up a collection to send you some wool undies and half a case of Wild Turkey. Tests have shown that several glasses of Gobbler and Coke don't really warm you up but you really don't care at that point either.
NOTE TO MY FRIENDS THAT HAVE RIFLES BUILT BY KMW: We have just returned from the North American Sniper Champs. 4 days at Camp Shelby Natl Guard Training Center in the rain, mud and cold. Teams from Boise ID, New York, Ohio, Alabama, Germany, Czech Republic and others were in attendence. Competition was fierce and there was tons of top notch equipment on the line.
For the 3rd year in a row, the Top Gun Individual and Top Team awards went to operators shooting KMW built tactical rifles. For the last 3 years a different team and individual has been awarded these honors but our rifles managed to stay at the top!!!
I wanted to share this with my customers that visit and post on this site to let them know that the materials and methods that go into their KMW rifles continue to hold their own against M24, M40-A3, McMillans, Robars and other custom makers. We will continue to put our equipment in the mud all over the country and continue to evolve our building techniques and components so that a rifle leaving our shop is the best we can provide.
I am happy to be in a position to donate a prize rifle for the upcoming SniperQuest shoot. Rest assured that no shortcuts are taken with the work and components going into that rifle. It will have KMW stamped into the barrel and will be representative of our work ethic and experience. Best of luck to all the SniperQuest competitors.
Everybody stay safe,
Terry Cross
KMW-Long Range Solutions.
Terry Cross <kmw308@aol.com>
Forest Hill, LA, U.S. - Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 15:17:51 (ZULU)
GEORGE G: Yeah, we need to hook up again some time. Crazy days, these. Got several travel gigs going and out of town schools. Plus, they just asked me to teach the firearms instructor course at the Academy. Not to mention Spring Break w/ the kids and a seperate vacation w/ momma coming up. Wheeeww. Everybody wants a piece of my time. Gotta work my ass off to pay for it all. I am sure everybody here can relate.
You sir, need to join ASA and get on Snipersonline. You are an asset to the community, imo. Tell Eric hey.
Later, BK
brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 16:08:23 (ZULU)
Found a member of dad's sniper team today, name address email, the whole shebang.. You know, I've been collecting data for well over 5 years now, piecing the history back together, have had dad record some of his stories on tape when he remembers to, and in another 20 years I might have something!!! Bloody hell, it is an exhausting hobby.. Well worth it though, my tribute..
Frauleins bevare!! Ze Yankee lands in 10 days.. Pretty good with a sausage I hear..I wonder if they're freakishly strong, I've seen the way they handle the steins... Yee haw!!
later
JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland - Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 19:41:25 (ZULU)
Dennis, moma nature sucks, ok. but does she swallow ?
Steve, i'm sick of this de criminalisation shit, i get busted more for bieng 5km over the damn speed limit than i do for stealing the frigging car i broke the speed limit in, its screwed,I'm sick of it. Guys i am very seriously looking at a long term future in the USA, working on a project at the moment that could entail a move to the US in a couple of years( Yes Jon, you know what i'm talking about, things are getting seriouse and hopefully will turn out favourably,) location will be in the near of one or the other NASA site, i'm gonna need a job, any ideas are welcome.
Our tenant up stairs celebrated her 30'th birthday last night, had a good bunch of folks around, lots of interesting conversation, some spanish folks there, now i liked thier outlook and even the germans where actualy like minded, it warms the heart and soul, or was that the whole case of beer i drank all to my self, shit thats almost 8 litres of beer, JR i am gettin on form for the IWA, i hear the local talent have a game called hide the salami, I'm sure the rules are pretty simple. Pete
Peter Lincoln <anke_pete@t-online.de>
D - Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 20:19:39 (ZULU)
I'd like to throw my hat in the ring along with the others who have asked about a good GPS unit.
It may have been discussed to death sometime back, but after slogging through the archives (thanks to John Leveron for his outstanding work on the search engine)I haven't found the info I need to make an informed purchase.
Which is better, Magellan or Garmin? Which brand has the best street maps and topo maps?
Thanks,
jc
jc <jcopelan@midsouth.rr.com>
Cordova, TN, USA - Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 23:30:30 (ZULU)
my vote goes to the Garmin. I've used III's and V's and they both work great. As far as map quality, it'll depend on what you want to buy, but the Garmin is very user friendly and easy to hook up to a computer to load or download your points, maps etc.
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
- Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 23:35:07 (ZULU)
Garmin GPS 12......our first unit....works great.....very happy with it.
Ref: 6.5x.284
I finally got to the range to chronograph my next set of loads. 48 grains of IMR4350/139 Scenars...2,892 fps no pressure signs....sub 1/2 MOA groups...extreme spread was wide. Chris, what primers did you mention that reduced your variation??? Do I dare make a two grain jump for the next rounds?
Ref: Sniperquest 2003
I'll be there...just got the schedule clear. Andy can't make it so I'm bringing a ringer.
Ref: Gooch
I saw his post over on Sniper's Paradise. For some reason he can't reach us here from his computer in the Land of the Rising Sun.
Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 23:46:50 (ZULU)
you have mail, no attachments.
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
- Monday, March 3, 2003, at 00:26:02 (ZULU)
I can get you a job. Pay really sucks though. Fortunately, I'm in Alabama where the fishing is good, hunting is good, and there is always something in season. It's one of the few states where you are expected to own guns.
Next week I'm going to join a shooting club about 30 minutes from here. They have a 1k yard rifle range and several different types of matches.
Where ever you locate to in America, it has to be better than Europe.
GPS;
I want one with good topography and easy to use. Sometimes I'm teknologikuly empaird.
.300WM / 6.5X.284;
Does anyone know if either of those will operate in a M1903 action? I know a .308 will with a little tweaking, but I have no idea about the others. For those who don't know, the '03 is caliber .30-06 Springfield.
I have a '03 barreled receiver that I picked up fairly cheap and will build into a custom rifle. I'll send it out to have a barrel done and assembled. I just want to know what calibers I can make work. I would like to shoot 1k yards with reasonable success. It won't be a tactical or hunting rifle, just a range toy.
If there is a good load for the .30-06 for long range, I may just have the barrel done in it. Then I would save a lot of time and work. Just getting ideas.
LATER Y'ALL
Jody Calhoun <gotrektheslayer@comcast.net>
Saraland, AL- Heart of Dixie, USA - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 00:53:47 (ZULU)
for a range rifle, I'd consider a 6.5x55. The Swede may give you a bit less pressure, and will still perform well to 1K.
If you're not opposed to shooting a 30-06 though, check with Montana Marine on www.longrangehunting.com . He's had great luck with 30-06's. If I'm not mistaken, our own USSR Don has as well.
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
Next 1K mathc at AEDC, March 16th. , WCRC's HSTM 3 gun tactical match has been rescheduled for May 10,11. If you're not locked down due to Mothersday,, come on out and shoot., Get with me for details and drive directions. - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 01:57:10 (ZULU)
Any luck on the Puter' dik, that's sending out the crap mail??
I have posted here twice in the past 1-1/2 years, and I am getting barraged,,,,,,
Is there any way to ferret out this weasel, and cause some pain??.
If not, then we ( Marius, and the gang), are gonna need to figure out a system for hiding our e mail addy's......
Someone definitely has it in for the "Profession"........
Dos Zap
Glockamolie <Glockamolie@aol.com>
- Monday, March 3, 2003, at 01:59:46 (ZULU)
... no hairy armpits though.
Oh what the hell ... hairy armpits too.
Is it just me, or do ya'll get a little leery when a German chick asks if you want to take a shower?
brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Monday, March 3, 2003, at 02:02:28 (ZULU)
".300WM / 6.5X.284;
Does anyone know if either of those will operate in a M1903 action?"
I have a friend who has .300 WM built on the 1903 action, it does work. I don't know much more about it but can ask if you're interested.
Later,
Byron <byburnham@earthlink.net>
CA, USA - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 02:18:24 (ZULU)
You really need to check out the new Garmin Rino 120. I've been working with it for several weeks now and I'm extremely impressed. GPS with FSR/GRMS 2-way radio. Up to a 5 mile range with the GRMS channels. The GPS part of the unit locks to the satellites very quick and accurately. Easy to use and learn interface. Check out all the specs at:
http://www.garmin.com/products/rino120/
You can find them on the net for as cheap as $210. My vote goes to Garmin, this model or any other one.
John Levens
John Levens <SirSaxII@aol.com>
Ft. Worth, TX, USA - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 02:25:47 (ZULU)
Be careful of 1903 receivers with serial numbers below 800,000. They are supposed to be unsafe with modern ammo.
Doc
Doc Holloway <docs@fidnet.com>
The muddy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 03:59:13 (ZULU)
You have mail. No attachments. Thanks.
Chris;
Thanks. I would love to keep the .30-06 if I can make it work that far. It would be very much easier on supplies. I have a few of them so I wouldn't have to buy any dies,etc.
I realize I will spend some bucks on a good barrel, so I want to get all the info I can before I commit to it.
Doc;
It is a high number Rock Island Arsenal. Barrel date is 11-18. It has Hatcher holes. I believe these were done on the double heat treated receivers. Can't remember, I'll look it up in my book.
Remington 7400;
I ordered a Rem 7400 Hi-Gloss for a customer last week. It came Friday and I was less than impressed. It had a good feel but was real cheaply finished. I cleaned rust off the barrel and the wood checkering was shaggy. It looked like they checkered it with a wire brush, the shavings were still attached to the wood. Very rough feeling.
I was going to send it back when my customer said he expected it to be that way. He knew some guy who bought one recently and his was the same way. I guess he can clean it up.
I guess you can't buy nice guns anymore unless you spend big bucks on them.
LATER Y'ALL
Jody Calhoun <gotrektheslayer@comcast.net>
Saraland, AL- Heart of Dixie, USA - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 04:26:34 (ZULU)
Hunting was good today but Murphy was on the job. Dogs came and went regularly. They seemed to be scenting hunters at 500 yards and they didn't even stop to smell. Just circled wide open and kept going. Sometimes we hit a few way out runners but not today. 2 Dogs came up from a ditch just below my line of sight at 20 yards and immediately picked me up. They left looking like that greyhound on the side of that bus. I took a shoot and holler shot and it sounded like we might have had a hit but the sage was so thic
k we never found him. It was a comedy of errors on our part. I carried that heavy VSSF Remington with the 26" barrel in 22-250. It was kicking my butt and the last call I decided to leave the bipod in the truck. The only place I needed one. was on a hill with my feet higher than my head trying to raise that barrel high enough for a shot. Well anyway I missed him.
Brogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
- Monday, March 3, 2003, at 04:36:27 (ZULU)
The trick is - before you enter the shower - make sure there are towels there!
Jody,
Truth is, you can chamber anything in an '03 that you can in a standard action M700 or M70. It has the standard boltface, will have to be opened up for a magnum. May or may not need work on the rails, etc. Not a thing wrong with building a .30-'06! It was a target champ long before ALL of us were born. Advice that I've given here before - if you have an UNALTERED barreled action some of the collectors on the CSP site (and others) may offer you enough for it to let you buy a new rifle, or at least a Win. or Rem. builder. Otherwise if converting it I recommend going with an '06 based round, like the .280, .270,.25-'06 .35Whelen, etc. No mod's necessary, fit the magazine and boltface, maybe a 6.5-'06 if you like experimenting.
ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, Colorado, USA - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 04:40:05 (ZULU)
My receiver is Rock Island Arsenal serial 361115. The problem receivers(low serial numbers) were below around 260000.
Alan;
Thanks. So far it looks like I may consider a target barrel in .30-06, it's just that I've never seen one used for 1000 yards.
LATER Y'ALL
Jody Calhoun <gotrektheslayer@comcast.net>
Saraland, AL- Heart of Dixie, USA - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 04:50:49 (ZULU)
Check out this site
http://gpsinformation.net/
Or you can click me name.
Garmin is defnitely favor.
Jessie
Jessie Chang <jessiec@oz.net>
Seattle, WA, USA - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 06:21:06 (ZULU)
I have seen too many new shooters buy expensive equipt with all the latest bells and couldn't hit a 12" gong off a bench rest at 200 yards, and refused any assistance, but will tell you about the $1000/2000 worth of reloading equipment they just purchased.
Practice, Practice Practice, use the money spent on "expensive" reloading equipment to buy powder, bullets and primers. When the shooter can outshoot his current rifle, then buy the best one he can afford.
If you really want to piss someone off take a 45 single action to a 5 pin, bowling pin shoot and beat the socks off those that have the $1500 and up custom 45 autos (this take shooting 12000-15000 rds a year and using a timer)
This get reconfirmed every year at hunter's sight in day, along with stories of 500 yr off hand shots(kills) at record _______________ (fill in the blank)
On the other hand, another hunter shows up with a military 98 Mauser with a scope and shoots 5 rounds into a 200 yd 3 to 3 1/2 inch group. It is the only rifle he has and he gets a deer every year. Why?? Maybe because you see him out to the range 6 or 7 times a year, shoots a box of 20 then goes home. On the Hunt he uses factory ammo, on his range trips he uses reloaded ammo.
I am a believer that you should get the best you can use/need, but it is practice, practice, practice, with an coach, even if its a fellow shooter.(bad practice reinforces the bad habits)
but then again it's IMHO
Bomac <biker3@earthlink.net>
- Monday, March 3, 2003, at 09:05:46 (ZULU)
On reloading I have to agree with BMG Mike. You need to buy good dies and equiptment to start off with. If you don't you will be buying it twice.
I have found dies and brass to be the biggest varriables in accuracy. Buy good BR dies either Redding or Forrester and good brass. If you shoot past 500yds then prep your brass. Neck turning and primer pocket prep all the little things come into play out past 500yds.
I am with Mike, if I miss I want to know it was my fault and not something I could have prevented by paying more attention to detail.
Good luck you will have many hours of enjoyment and frustration ahead of you.(HA)
DakotaAviator..
Thanks will check out the sight.
Chris..
I am debating if I should send off the 6.5x284 for a new barrel or just shoot it and see what happens. I have the worse luck of things going bad at the most inoppertune times. Maybe its the last name of Murphy that gets me(HA).
Didn't get a chance to shoot this weekend to damn cold and windy. I did finsh loading up about 600rds of 260s. Its nice to finally have a load for it so I can start stocking up for summer shooting. I just finished off my 9th 8lb keg of varget. Lets see now how many barrels is that....
Pat <mrbullet@hotmail.com>
- Monday, March 3, 2003, at 14:34:34 (ZULU)
Thanks,
TonyM
tam308 <tam308@aol.com>
FL, US of A!!!!! - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 15:06:40 (ZULU)
you have incoming mail...clean...no attachments.
PJC
PJC <mywifeiscrazy2@yahoo.com>
upstate, sc, US of A - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 15:06:47 (ZULU)
Good thing they let Hitler decide on how to develop and promote their air power....
We had a few old veterans of that campaign on hand, and it was something to see. You just knew that the vail of years was torn away in an instant, that they were back at the time and place. The stories that they related later that evening were worth travelling much, much farther to hear. It's a terrible thing that we won't have them with us much longer, as I'm afraid that, once they're gone, we will forget everything they learned for us, the hard way.
Something humorous....toward the end of the day, as the SS were fixin' to bug out, one of them looked at me (I was standing by a little French bistro where you could get some coffee, wine, bread and sausage and maybe a little something else) and told me to tell the Amerikaners to stay away from their women. I had to remark that it seemed to me that the French women belonged to whoever happened to be marching INTO the town. One of the Maquis women (I knew who they were, the Jerries didn't) gave me a big smile and said "Oh, I see you really know your French History!
Anyway, it was a humbling thing to watch. Kinda like being in the opening scene of "Saving Private Ryan", only the guys get to get up after a while. I got a cold chill thinking of those that never got up.....
For anyone that has a Howa, I just got an e-mail from Badger Ordnance. Seems they don't make bases for the Howa, the actions are drilled differently and are slightly longer than the Remington for the same calibers.
Charles S. Hunt <dpms223@aol.com>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 17:42:05 (ZULU)
Jody, hell I'l clean toilets if it means i have enough cash for ammo and hunting tags. Ref your 06, i shoot an 06. I've mentioned it before, i shoot Hornady light magnum 165 or 180 grain ammo in it, i get same near as damn it trajectory as a standard loaded 300WM, through over 5000 rds and god knows how many lot numbers i've not seen a change in impact or zero, consistency through and through, this is the main reason why i haven't started hand loading. If i could choose but one caliber to use for the rest of my days, for everything it would be the 06. and the rifle would be my heym barreled Rem 700.
B rogers, now who is getting jealouse of someones hunting stories??? me... went to pick up all my fox pelts today from the tanners, also shared a couple of bottles of wine with my mate with the gun shop who was busy smokeing boar hams today, I've got a joint of boar in the oven right now, its just crisping nicely, left the wife incharge for 5 while i surf better go before she burns it.
JR, countdown to IWA is on,
Pete
Peter Lincoln <anke_pete@t-online.de>
D - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 17:46:20 (ZULU)
The '06 will definately do the job at 1k. I had Jack Krieger build me a 30-06 tactical rifle using his AMU contour barrel on a Win. M70. The '06 really shines with the 185 and 190gr bullets. Montana Marine loads his Rem. M700 in 30-06 REALLY hot at 2900fps with the 190SMK. Bet he don't reload those cases too many times.
Don
Don K. <ussr@clarityconnect.com>
Burdett, NY, Under God in the USA - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 17:53:08 (ZULU)
Bomac,
I agree with the practice^n. No matter what the quality of your equipment, you won't get the most out of it without practice. Lots of it. " A well-trained man with second-rate gear will take an untrained man with first-rate gear." . . . or somethin' like that. Agree with the coach idea. Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.
You can maximize your ROI by buying the best you can afford to begin with, both rifle and reloading gear. That deflects the need to play with the equipment during the initial learning and practice.
I remember seeing improvement until I hit a plateau, then I had to improve my ammo before improvement began again. My rifle still shoots better than I do - but I'm working on it. My next plateau will result in a better rifle.
Mike
BMG Mike <bmgman@swbell.net>
- Monday, March 3, 2003, at 19:27:37 (ZULU)
The attachment is a photo which illustrated that I will not soon forget the vets that fought during WW2. I commend you for investing your time in this manner. Those men gave a lot.
Jim
medicjim86 <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Monday, March 3, 2003, at 19:46:58 (ZULU)
What is Our Army’s Role in War Against Terrorism?
By General Jack Quinn
That seems like a good question, especially when so many of our young men and women may be called upon to serve in uniform. Like many other veterans, I hope I can use my 40 years as a soldier to help our youth understand just what our nation’s Army is all about. With America and our world facing an extremely long, drawn out and bloody conflict to destroy the acts, hatred and roots of terrorism, we may wonder, what is the nature and reality of one of the forces we will use to defeat terrorism. Our youth will be asked to be part of this force, and yet do they know what their roles will be? Perhaps not!
How will we fight it? To be sure, the new enemy is operating far differently than those we have faced in the past. While we must, and will, make certain adjustments, we will still unite in an international coalition that will use all the skill, determination and imagination available to wage military, economic, political, diplomatic and psychological warfare. We will protect our own people and we will seek out and destroy those ruthless murderers of the world’s innocent men, women and children. Our flexible and well led forces—united with other friendly forces, will adapt to the terrorist/guerrilla enemy; we will pay the cost in lives and material; we will battle for as long as it takes; and we will preserve our way of life for our future generations.
Our youth will be part of every facet of our war effort. The majority will be the core of our military forces: land, sea, air, special operations, conventional, unconventional, intelligence, both abroad and at home. Our men and women will seek out the enemy, infiltrate his havens, destroy his support bases, deny him refuge, kill or capture him at home or abroad, and expose him to the world as the enemy of the world. We will speak his language, know his ways and relentlessly destroy him in order to preserve the world for peace loving peoples.
What is an Army? It is a trained, equipped and disciplined military organization, united by the skill, leadership, dedication, selflessness, courage, esprit and resolve of all its members. It fights as part of a combined and joint force; land, sea and air. We have combat forces and support forces. The men and women give our Army the heart and soul, and the mission gives it the objective. The nation gives it the love and support, and the morals of the nation give it the will to win and the endurance for victory.
There is no real parallel to the 1st War of the 21st Century. Look, if you will, at your world map and find remote areas like Uzbekistan and Tajikistan! Our new enemy has no battle lines or uniforms, there are no safe rear areas, there is no quarter nor mercy from the enemy, and he has no known morality. Still, our sense of morality must, and will be upheld, otherwise we are no better than the terrorist. How will we do it? We have the finest and bravest leaders and troops in the world. Our skill and adaptability, our nation and its world allies, our “dimensions” of warfare, our need to save our world, and our guts and brotherhood will see us through.
Lexington and Concord, Yorktown, Gettysburg, Meuse-Argonne, Guadalcanal, Normandy, Pusan Perimeter, Tet Offensive, the Gulf War and Mogadishu—we Americans are tough—and always have been! Now, we cannot turn the other cheek—the terrorist has already assaulted our entire national body—and the world. War is always cruel and all our families pay the price. Since , however, the new war has been thrust upon us—victory is our only moral option. How will our youth fit in?
Only a small percentage on an Army is the “combat” force. It closes with the enemy and pulls the trigger. They are the infantry, armor, armored or air cavalry, rangers, special operation forces and Special Forces. They will all hit hard and fast, and often withdraw and launch other strikes.
“Combat support forces” provide artillery, air defense, aviation, intelligence and engineer support. The “combat service support” forces provide communications, medical support, military police and logistics. These are the brave forces that will keep our conventional and unconventional assault personnel supplied with ammunition, helicopter fuel and maintenance, medical care, appropriate fire support, unique intelligence and communications, and security for helicopters and other aircraft located at clandestine foreign locations.
The key is combined and joint forces—all elements put together to make the force fit the mission. Individual scouts, five-man teams, units of 50, 500 or 5,000. Intelligence gathering, ambushes, raids, missile strikes, counter-terrorism, air strikes, helicopters, parachutes—all coordinated to seek out the enemy, kill or capture him where he is, or force him from his alleged safe havens and kill or capture him. Yes, Americans take prisoners—we are freedom fighters, not butchers.
Many of our young Americans already have skills that the military will need. Others will be assigned to fields that are new to them, but our exemplary noncommissioned corps will train them. All positions are important and contribute to the victory. Training, teamwork, trust in each other, and the knowledge that America’s cause is for friends and families. These factors will see our nation through the dark and painful years ahead.
Casualties are the reality of war. Unfortunately, we have now seen the horror of civilian casualties, and we may face even more. Our security measures will improve, and with service men and women, doing their jobs, we will succeed. The war will be bloody and painful for all of us. Death and destruction will break our hearts, but we must prevail. Love and peace, and kindness and happiness must win! We will ask more of our youth than most of us have ever given. Having served and done their share, our men and women will then join the ranks of veterans who proudly announce, “I’m glad I served my country.”
JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 20:39:56 (ZULU)
Jared
http://gpsinformation.net/
Jared <jared@mc2studios.com>
San Antonio, Tx, USA - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 22:01:44 (ZULU)
--
Big Brother is watching you - and documenting eBay, ever anxious to up profits, bends over backward to provide data to law enforcement officials
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=264863
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Mk4
Mk4 <sharps45@msn.com>
Texas, United States of America - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 23:12:30 (ZULU)
"Yep", he replies, "that's them."
So the guy walks over and says to them, "Wow, this is a real honor.. What are you guys doing in here?"
Bush says, "We're planning WW III."
And the guy says, "Really? What's going to happen?"
Bush says, "Well, we're going to kill 24 million Iraqis this time, and one blonde with big tits.
The guy exclaims, "A blonde with big tits? Why kill a blonde with big tits?
Bush turns to Powell, punches him on the shoulder and says, "See, smart *bleep*, I told you no one would worry about the 24 million Iraqis!"
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Mk4
Mk4 <sharps45@msn.com>
Texas, United States of America - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 23:15:28 (ZULU)
Sniper and Spotter conversation in Afghanistan:
Spotter: "It's like Prarier Dog hunting"
Sniper: "How so?"
Spotter: "Well they kinda look like Prarie Dogs"
Sniper: "No way Prarie Dogs are cute."
Spotter: "Well they act like Prarie Dogs, with their heads up looking around. Being stupid and such"
Sniper: "Christ you never hunted Prarie Dogs. Prarie Dogs bleed alot when you hit them. These just blow s... out. Prarie Dogs have enough sense not to shit on things that can kill them. These idiots dont"
Wonder where I heard that one?
Undude/Mike
MikeMiller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
Ca, - Monday, March 3, 2003, at 23:30:16 (ZULU)
That's what I was looking for. I like how they have it all broken down.
To all;
Thanks for the advice on the .30-06 & M1903. Just done research at the Springfield Reasearch page. My receiver was made in 1920 and is made of nickle steel.
Pete L;
Actually, you'd be on the other end of toilets. I work in water and wastewater treatment. You can make decent money in it if are smart enough to pass the tests. Lots of math and science involved. We could really use a smart person.
Alabama doesn't have hunting tags. You buy your license($16 resident)and waterfowl stamps if you duck hunt. And whatever fees for hunting club if join one. You'll have to get a hunter's eduction class as well.
You can do all the hog hunting you want. They are not a game animal here so there is no closed season. I wouldn't eat one killed in warm weather,though. There are plenty of them in the Mobile River Delta, a few miles from my house.
I'm about 2 hours from Stennis Space Center in Mississippi. They may have something over there for you.
If you like partying, Mobile is the home of Mardi Gras. It is not nearly as big as New Orleans' event, but it is more family oriented. Tomorrow is Fat Tuesday and practically everything is closed around here.
Charles;
I love re-enactments. Do you have a link or something to that event or organization?
LATER Y'ALL
Jody Calhoun <gotrektheslayer@comcast.net>
Saraland, AL- Heart of Dixie, USA - Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 01:25:04 (ZULU)
Pat/Mr Bullet
Incoming, clean, n/a, re .260
Larry
Larry J. Porter <skporter@nts-online.net>
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USofA - Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 02:51:29 (ZULU)
John
John <acehigh@insightbb.com>
B'town, IN, USA - Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 12:10:57 (ZULU)
Email, n/a.
John
John <acehigh@insightbb.com>
B'town, IN, USA - Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 12:37:58 (ZULU)
Pete,
Youse know if the sws rig, well, what's the front of the receiver look like? are they using the threaded adaptors, or do the barrels screw right into the receiver? Or do they screw at all? ha..Youse gotta point me in their direction, it's hard to tell what's going on in a 2 dimensional photo of their receiver on their website..
And as long as die Fraulein aren't into golden showers, it's all good..
Seven days..Going to get my Euros tomorrow..hull-rotterdam by boat, I'll be top deck sippin' duty free toddies watchin for icebergs and peugeot barges. Wonder if I should bring a lounge chair..
Mrbullet:
Shoot me an email, I may have an idea on how to get the 6.5 barrel looked at..
Youse sig/sauer dudes,
I heard there is a guy(don't know his name, heard rumours of this) that trolls about at IWA who makes threaded adaptors for the chamber ends of the sods. I'll try to find him and get yas some info eh! There's a bloke here in the UK that is supposed to be attempting such a project, dunno if he's made any yet though..
later, heard NK is stirrin the pot again.
JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland - Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 19:46:26 (ZULU)
JR yep i know the photos aint to good, that will get sorted, the barrels slot in, no threads, tightened in at the side through the stock with 3 hex head bolts, the bolt lugs lock in the lugs in the barrel, scimilar set up to a Sauer 202, just beefier. Its a damn inovative system, it is scimilar to the Unique, but has the intergral picatinny and what i asume is aremington style trigger hook up, but with a jewel as standard.
North Sea ferries eh? the one from Newcastle-Ijmuiden(Amsterdam) is better, the chicks on board are far better looking and the crossing is cheaper, foods better too. When you get about 20 miles from Hull, take a look around, thats my home stomping ground, watch out for all the blond kids with sticky out ears, Hulls a dump, but a hell of a night out, some bright whit told me once that if you ask," hey babe, hows about a jump?" 1 in 27 women in Hull will say yes, dimbo me decided to try said theory one night, got slapped 3 times before i found one willing, there are plenty of Hull girls on them boats buddy !! Right, back to work in the morning.. been reading an interesting article on a Ruskie bolt sniper gun, any one else seen it SV 98 (or 99 which is the 22lr version suposedly for urban areas and developed from a biathlon rifle) from a company called Izhmash, designed by Vladimir Stronskiy, available in 7.62x54R, 308 win and to be had in the future in 338 Lap mag.
pete
Peter Lincoln <anke_pete@t-online.de>
- Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 20:13:23 (ZULU)
You have incoming e-mail with no attachments.
Jim Wise <jim5656@hotmail.com>
Frostproof (for Bolt), Fl, USA - Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 20:16:33 (ZULU)
McPlop it is then. If you send me your mail address(off-line of course)I can send you a current Alabama fish and game manual. You might find it interesting.
I know of a Russian bolt action sniper. It is a Mosin-Nagant in a bullpup configuration. It think it is supposed to be designed to replace the SVD. It is 7.62X54R and I think it is made at Itzmash. I don't know if it is what you're referring to.
LATER
Jody Calhoun <gotrektheslayer@comcast.net>
Saraland, AL- Heart of Dixie, USA - Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 21:18:51 (ZULU)
New member here. This is a great site, lots of info. Just a couple of questions I have a Rem 700 vs and I am looking for a new scope to top it off with. Most of my shooting is in the 100-600 yd meter range. I would also like to take this rifle scope combo with me to Badlands tactical or Blackwater. I have looked at Burris, leupold, Zeiss, and Springfields. What I need is an honest opinion in what I should get. I would like stay under the 1,000 dollar mark, I want the scope to be sturdy and provide the best for the buck. Well I hope any of you shooters can give this new guy some advice, it would be extremely appreciated! Ronin Out!
James P. <Ameronin@charter.net>
Brainerd, MN., USA - Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 23:57:44 (ZULU)
Mike MIller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
CA, - Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 00:59:20 (ZULU)
Like Mike says!
ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, Colorado, USA - Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 04:03:12 (ZULU)
Take it to the BANK! (What Mike said).
Spud
Dennis B. Queen <usmcspud@msn.com>
Merced, Kalisocialistfornia, USA - Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 04:18:40 (ZULU)
Gavan Willis <gwillis@simplex.net.au>
- Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 11:38:25 (ZULU)
On Jan. 12, 2000, Ms Cindy Williams (NOT from Laverne and Shirley TV show) wrote a piece for the Washington Post, denouncing the pay raise(s) coming service members' way this year -- citing that the stated 13% wage was more than they deserve.
A young airman from Hill AFB responds to her article below.
"Ms Williams:
I just had the pleasure of reading your column, "Our GIs earn enough," and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it disappears every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service) and my bank account. Checking my latest earnings statement I see that I make $1,117.80 before taxes. After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that through the calculator, I come up with an annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40 after.
I work in the Air Force Network Control Center where I am part of the team responsible for a 5,000-host computer network. I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for Network Technicians in the Washington, D.C., area reveals a position in my career field, requiring three years experience with my job. amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60 a year. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum. I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions.
Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you have NEVER had the pleasure of serving your country in her armed forces. Before you take it upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to get the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off of WIC, and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers headed for AFGHANISTAN, I leave the choice of service branch up to you. Whatever choice you make, though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will guarantee you the longest possible time away from your family and friends, thus giving you full "deployment experience."
As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are saying good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several families are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary breadwinner is gone -- obviously they've been squandering the "vast" piles of cash the government has been giving them.
Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and thanksgiving are perennial favorites.
And when you're actually over there, sitting in a foxhole, shivering against the cold desert night, and the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE (meal-ready-to-eat) you manage to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything. This gives some flavor.
Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't nearly be long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and be thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most of the points you present in your op-ed piece.
But, I will defend to the death your right to say it. You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First Amendment rights and every other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my brother and sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you can thumb your collective nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe.
We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian companies. And you, Ms Williams, have the gall to say that we make more than we deserve?
Rubbish!
A1C Michael Bragg, Hill AFB AFNCC"
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Mk4
Mk4 <sharps45@msn.com>
Texas, United States of America - Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 16:26:43 (ZULU)
Thanks,
drmarc
drmarc <drmarc@se-tel.com>
HillBilly, Kentucky, USA - Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 16:39:13 (ZULU)
out
G.W
Gavan Wilis <gwillis@simplex.net.au>
- Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 19:44:48 (ZULU)
Regarding the Cindy Williams story, according to this web site, it's partially true....but it's not the Cindy Williams from Laverne & Shirley.
Here's the link, or you can click my name.
http://www.truthminers.com/truth/cindy_williams.htm
JB
John Bechtell <ajbechtell@yahoo.com>
historic Gettysburg, PA, - Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 20:10:27 (ZULU)
I ran over to the range during lunch today. It was raining and snowing and so I went about the business of setting up my chronograph quickly. I squatted behind the bench to shoot because the seat was covered with slush. The fog was thick and I couldn’t get a nice clear sight picture.
I fired two five shot strings over the chronograph and recorded two sets of data. My loads are now clocking 3,013 fps and my five shot groups were .22 and .40 inches respectively.
Am I happy?
You damn betcha!
Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 20:29:10 (ZULU)
Thanks bro,
BKS
brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 20:31:48 (ZULU)
Thanks..
Kevin that 6.5 x 284 fag mag won't be able to carry it's own weight against it's big brother the 300wm with Vias brake attached. I hope you bring good ear plugs and a dust mask to the ASC 2 match. Just in case you have to snuggle next to me.
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Woodbridge, NJ, USA - Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 21:04:59 (ZULU)
LeMay OUT
LeMay <lemayj@michigan.gov>
MI, - Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 21:13:04 (ZULU)
Bring it on...........
Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 21:39:33 (ZULU)
Rock stars, movie stars, "famous celebrities", hate mongers and race baiters, flaming faggots, mean-bitch bull dykes, serial killers, sex offenders, and raging pedophiles all have at least one thing in common. To see their names in the news, or up in lights, or to be mentioned hourly on the radio and tv.
Publicity is great, free publicity is priceless! They will do and say anything that will draw public attention. I figure that if everyone just ignores them they'll go on to commit other despicable acts for the attention, such as self-sodomy. That's not to say that I wouldn't beat them senseless if I were ever to be in proximity.
Boycott them. If you see their names in print, don't buy it. If you see them on tv, switch channels, if you hear them on the radio, you're listening to the wrong station. Let the station execs know it, tell their sponsors that you'll not be purchasing their product in the future. Remember what Rosie did to K-Mart!
ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, Colorado, USA - Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 21:50:00 (ZULU)
GUYS: I caught up with my cases and read back over the roster closely.
Ref: HS STOCKS - Janet told me before she left that except for the early PSS stocks, all HS precison stocks made for Remington had a full length bedding block, swivel to swivel.
Remington went to the Bell and Carlson in an attempt to save money for a year or two and it bit 'em on the ass so they switched back to HS. The only way to tell the two apart other than not seeing metal under the studs, is a stamp on the bottom of the bedding block.
I'll dig around for the email outlining all that stuff, got rid of it just the other day. Maybe I saved it somewhere ...
brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 21:52:49 (ZULU)
I edited my previous post assuming that the web site you posted is itself correct. I certainly wouldn't want to misquote a celebrity. They live on a higher plane you know ;))
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Speaking of celebrities speaking out against the war, it appears at least some of them are getting back the same stuff they've been dishing out. It's about time.
http://www.hollywoodhalfwits.com
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Mk4
Mk4 <sharps45@msn.com>
Texas, United States of America - Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 22:04:03 (ZULU)
Do you remember the first competition you went to at Storm... where the UKD shooting scores were disqual'ed because the second set of shooters were fogged out?
TonyY shot the first string with a 300 mag. He seems to be a pretty fair shot with that rifle... you might want to research his score.
I need to take you both out drinking the night before... my 36 yr old liver might give me the edge if we go shot for shot...<grin>
medicjim <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 22:04:53 (ZULU)
Good stuff starts this weekend!
Bolt <reeldoc@triad.rr.com>
NC, - Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 22:20:51 (ZULU)
George Gardner, we spoke on the phone last week about them. You might find this interesting.
Spoke to the guy building my Rifle (M700 .300 SAUM AWR). They do indeed make all of the barrels used in the custom shop right there in the shop. They are all made from full length bar stock, cut drilled, rifled, heat treated (2 times), reamed, etc.
None of that hammer forged production line junk!
They used to buy Mike Rock barrels (which he really liked) and others.
I hope his are as good, I'll report how mine is when I get it next month.
FYI,
Matt
matt l <Lfootmatt@yahoo.com>
AZ, - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 00:49:57 (ZULU)
John and I are anxious to get out there and start setting things up and shooting it, but the snow is still too deep. More planning this weekend and maybe a trip to the mountain if the big melt continues.
See you guys in May.
Rod
Rod Hansen <rghansen@sprynet.com>
- Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 00:50:51 (ZULU)
Actually the PSS stocks were one of the first to come with the full length block. 5f and 3f were da first..PST 12's were next. And yeah, the best way to check if it's BC or HS is to pull the barreled action, check out the stamp.. On the old stocks it would give you the date of manufacture and who made it. If it's a #7 then it's likely one of mine, unless it's shite. Then it wasn't me..
the old ones had a bedding block, with two aluminum strips glued to the sides of the block, extensions we called them. They ran up the sides of the stock up to about 2-3 inches from the swivel stud. But the swivel was studded into metal as well, as there were swivel nuts molded into the stock..
I need sleep
JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 01:11:19 (ZULU)
I went to the Truth miners web site. I looked around and found an article about the Nigerian money and that the Secret Service is investigating. It is in the real scams section and gives a link to a Secret Service website about the scam they call 4-1-9.
Thanks John for the Truth Miners link. I saved it.
LATER Y'ALL
Jody Calhoun <gotrektheslayer@comcast.net>
Saraland, AL- Heart of Dixie, USA - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 02:57:37 (ZULU)
JRMoore
hey....if any of you guys are obedient to big guy upstairs, offer up a few good words for me in the morning.....the Doc is having me do a brain scan looking for a tumor.......NOT
Thanks
JRMoore <utl@shentel.net>
Somewhere in , Virginia, - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 03:40:41 (ZULU)
.....I called HS Precision about Remington stocks over the years. I spoke with sales mgr. Janette Thompson. Very knowledgeable lady. 605.341.3006. She said for you guys to call if you have questions. Here's the breakdown on the stocks.
The M-24s have always had a full bedding block running from the front sling swivel to 5" past the rear tang screw. A 1 1/4 " metal insert for the rear stud was/is used.
The first few of the old PSS’s (I call them green guns because of the green parkerizing and 24" barrels) had metal inserts front and rear and a five inch bedding block for the action. They also had bedded aluminum that ran up the sides of the bedding block. They later switched to full blocks on the green guns as well and those have been this way for approximately 10 years back.
The newer PSS’s with black 26" barrels have a full length block (front stud to 5" past the rear tang screw) with an insert at the rear stud.
The LTR has a full length block (front stud to 5" past the rear tang screw) with an insert at the rear stud.
The Remington Synthetic Varmints that are OLDER than THREE years have a full length block and rear insert. For the last three years, Remington awarded the contract for the Synthetic Varmint stocks to a company called Bell and Carlson. These stocks had the studs screwed only into the fiberglass. This year, HS got the contract back so newer guns will have the full length block and metal insert again.
The Bell/Carlson stocks have an OVAL stamped inside the stock, on the bedding block itself. The HS Precision stocks have a CIRCLE with a date therein stamped inside the stock, on the bedding block. That's the only way to tell 'em apart.
The Remington Syndero (which is a different rifle from the Synthetic Varmint) has always had a full length block and HS has always had the contract for these rifles. I have heard people call each by the other's name but the Syndero is usually a long action rifle whereas the Varmint is a short action.
The synthetic stocked Winchester Varmints, Laredo, Sharpshooter and Stealth all have full length blocks and metal inserts no matter the age of the rifle.
Janette said a stock was recently returned where both swivel studs had pulled free. She did not know the specifics because it was a Bell and Carlson stock and not an HS. She did say the guy was a cop though.
Bottom line, if you have a wood stocked Remington or a Synthetic stocked Varmint, you may want to pull the action out and look inside just to see what you have. I'd hate to see somebody get hurt or dump a rifle because of a sling swivel stud.
BKS.....
Deputy Doug
Doug Bourdo <diver1@acronet.net>
K Town, WI, US of A - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 04:31:18 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
- Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 04:44:20 (ZULU)
Jody, the ruskie sniper rifle looks a bit like a Brunner, ( CZ) has what looks like an AK rear sight mounted on the front part of the reciever, the stock is green wood(but apparently can be had in synthetic) and is a thumbhole and looks a bit like the AICS or the...whats the name of the other one that came out about the same time as the Choate.. damn i can't remember, bet its in the links somewhere. The Bullpup nagant is the OTs-48K, the one i'm on about is the SV 98, and they have a 50 cal called the OSV 96 that looks a bit like a WW2 anti tank rifle. The basis for the sniper rifle is apparently sold here by Frankonia as a target rifle called the Record. have a look at this link http://club.guns.ru/eng/sv-98.html
Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 06:56:51 (ZULU)
We're prayin for ya at my house. Take care.
Kevin,
I'm impressed! Can I have the winning ticket for the barrel this year?
John
John <acehigh@insightbb.com>
B'town, IN, USA - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 11:12:56 (ZULU)
Best wishes for favorable results man. Hope tests come back neg....
Ya'll wanna humble them 300WM's and fagmags? Drop the targets to 400 yards and make them steep angle shots :)) My Edge??? Oooops,, there it goes ;))
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
- Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 14:12:24 (ZULU)
I cannot say for sure that the truthminers site doesn't have it's own agenda. Just wanted to throw another perspective out there on the Cindy Williams story. I don't want anyone to get the impression that I'm sticking up for the Hollywood types...but we wanna be sure someone is the enemy before we burn them at the stake.
JB
John Bechtell <ajbechtell@yahoo.com>
historic Gettysburg, PA, - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 14:31:03 (ZULU)
I was reading an old regimental magazine of the Argyll and Southerland Highlanders the other day, an article in there makes refernce to a young Armourer with the knickname, Pepe la Pue, i never could figure out why i got that name, it was either the stink or the casing or pussy (cats), aint sure which.
Brian, yep I've seen the Unique, interesting piece of kit, fairly scimilar to the SWS 2000, but IMHO the SWS 2000 shows much more inovation, can't wait to get my hands on one.. Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 14:55:06 (ZULU)
We're doin' our best for ya here in Mizzry.
Keep the faith.
Doc
Doc Holloway <docs@fidnet.com>
The frosty Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 15:27:35 (ZULU)
medicjim <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 17:33:25 (ZULU)
Prayin' for the best for you.
Spud
dennis <usmcspud@msn.com>
merced, KA, usa - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 17:46:57 (ZULU)
http://www.milspecgear.com/french.html
BTW, how do you do that 'click on my name" thing?
jc
jc <jcopelan@midsouth.rr.com>
Cordova, TN, USA - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 17:59:34 (ZULU)
All is well here in the old dominion. I do get a chance to pop in and say hello from time to time.
I've sold two of the B&L Tacticals, I have one maybe two left. Also - I have four 6.5x20x50 Leupolds listed on the emporium...
I guess I have turned from a scope slut into a scope pimp - LOL...
take care out there...
GodBless...
Ken
Ken Hunter <ken@hunters.org>
Nokesvill, VA, USofA - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 18:06:43 (ZULU)
>>LOS ANGELES -- The specter of the Hollywood Blacklist era came to light again Monday when the Screen Actors Guild warned the entertainment industry that it better not punish people who speak out against war with Iraq.
"It is the fundamental right of citizens to express their support or their fears and concerns," the SAG statement read.
>>
jared <jared@mc2studios.com>
san antonio, tx, usa - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 18:39:39 (ZULU)
Don't phone HS and ask for Janet. She no workie there no more..
I can't remember what year HS took the Sendero contract, but both the long action and short action stocks weren't of the full length block til relatively recent times. I remember working on the Remington contracts, and remember glueing the extensions to the blocks vividly. When I first started there way back when, that was my job, cleaning molds and prepping blocks. I think just about everything, minus a few of the competition stocks, has the full length block now. If the stock was laminated properly, all the fiberglass kevlar and carbon fiber in the right place and not just foam between the swivel nut and the paint, it wouldn't be impossible to rip them out, but it'd take some doin.. I have 4 of the old style stocks, and if I was the one laying the glass I'd have another 4 of 'em..
later
JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland - Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 18:52:08 (ZULU)
How did things go with the doctor?? Prayers have been sent, more will follow. As for the 6BR I say bring it!! I'm still "stuck" with a "lowly" 308 [snicker snicker...evil grin].
As for muzzle brakes you haven't lived until you have shot a comp next to the Undude with his "extra special super hi tech EDM cut folige shaking flash supressor". Remember that Mike??
danny mull <drm8194@hotmail.com>
- Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 20:52:08 (ZULU)
Got the computer rigged for posting again....
News and film at 11:00
Gooch out
gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
- Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 22:50:36 (ZULU)
Okay, how about we call you pig killer? Or we'll just call you Pete until you give us something else to call you.
Iraq;
Someone ask my opinion the other day. I think they were doing a college project, not real sure. Anyway, I was asked if I thought the war against Iraq was justified. I said "Would you wait for a rattlesnake to bite you?" The girl kinda chuckled.
LATER Y'ALL
Jody Calhoun <gotrektheslayer@comcast.net>
Saraland, AL- Heart of Dixie, USA - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 00:30:52 (ZULU)
http://www.charliedaniels.com/soapbox/03/242.html
Edited to add link... DUH!
Larry
Larry J. Porter <skporter@nts-online.net>
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USofA - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 02:31:49 (ZULU)
Hooyah USA
brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Friday, March 7, 2003, at 02:58:44 (ZULU)
Larry,
Personally, I think that's too good NOT to post. I'm in a celebrity bashing mood. Go ahead and post it.
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Kudos to Bush for standing his ground. PAX AMERICANA
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Rifle question. (imagine that)
Does anybody have any range and load development experience with the Armalite AR30 in the .338 Lapooie caliber? Load data is certainly lacking for this cartridge. Where would be the best source for this info? Also, opinions on this rifle?
Mk4
Mk4 <sharps45@msn.com>
Texas, United States of America - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 03:56:05 (ZULU)
THANKS!
I was there once, and I know what a sacrifice it is. It can be fun, and it can be an adventure, but it is always work, hard work, work that can even get you killed, but we Americans always appreciate your sacrifice.
P.S. Anyone helping out this weekend at the Colorado Rifle Club for the Boy Scout merit badge shoot? I am, just thought I might get to know someone else from around here.
Hank <robahenry@hotmail.com>
Denver, you know where, - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 04:14:49 (ZULU)
Glad to see finaly a politician who has the balls to to stick to his guns, well done Mr Bush.
Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 07:06:11 (ZULU)
Gerhard Schroeder is one thing. But allowing Joschka Fischer anywhere near the levers of power is an even bigger mistake, IMHO.
Michael A. Litscher <mlitscher@wi.rr.com>
Brew City, WI, - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 08:43:00 (ZULU)
I've got the Lapua load book, if ya can't find anything else. I'm almost positive the 338 is in there.
edit: Mr. Bullet (HA) you have mail. N/A
John
John <acehigh@insightbb.com>
B'town, IN, USA - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 11:36:18 (ZULU)
I've had an interesting week. On Monday my son witnessed a shooting at his elementary school. A motorcycle cop made a traffic stop in front of the school and the guy gets out of his Jeep and shoots the officer in the ankle. The guy is suspected of having just robbed a bank which was unknown by the officer. Anyway it was a reminder to my family of the sacrifice all of you on the front-line are making on behalf of the rest of us. Thank you.
Yesterday I had another great experience. I have a good friend, kind of a father figure in my life. He served in Vietnam with the Marine Corp. during 68-69. I could tell for years that there was a great deal of shame connected with his serving. Over time (10 years) though I've been purposely trying to encourage him to open up and receive from those of us who are grateful for his service. Well, to make a long story short. I was able to help him put together a plaque with all his medals and ribbons. And he invited me into his house to show me what he had dome.
He actually hung all his photos, memorabilia and medals on one of his walls. It was very crude looking, but one of the best sights I had ever seen. Then he said with tears in his eyes "before I met you I was shamed into believing that what I had done was honorless. You've restored my sense of pride. And I'm glad I did what I did for my country."
I know it brought healing to my friend, but it was really one of the best moments of my life. I never had the privilege to serve (screwed up back), but I feel as though I scored one for the Corp. today. What an honor!!!
Sorry for the bandwidth. It was just a good day. To all of you who have served and are serving Thank You.
John Levens
BTW to those who would try to put that kind of crap on our troops again. Never again! And you can read into that what you want.
John Levens <SirSaxII@aol.com>
Ft. Worth, TX, USA - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 15:02:27 (ZULU)
Our team is looking for the best way to carry a sidearm while conducting our sniper/observer mission. We all have hi-speed, hi-drag Safariland kydex thigh holsters for our Glocksters, but have found that when high/low-crawling that they promptly spin around to the front of the leg and become a miniature earth mover.
Criteria are:
1. Secure the weapon on our persons
2. Provide for relatively quick presentation
3. Be flexible enough to allow wear of g-suits, etc.
What do y'all (I'm not from the South, but I live in Southern Michigan) use? We were considering Bianchi UM92 style holsters with the flap to protect the weapon, but still keep it out where we can get at it.
We have a small part-time team, as I'm sure many of you do, and we are responsible for covering our own 6's. Ability to get at a secondary weapon is pretty important. We are also looking at getting an FN P90 to stick in a dragbag pocket for short/medium range encounters. Suppressed w/ sub-sonic ammo, it would also be a great tool for eliminating pesky critters while on the stalk or at the FFP.
Thanks in advance.
Lance Johnston <sgtlmj@yahoo.com>
Hillsdale, MI, USA - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 15:29:52 (ZULU)
I've used the "Jackass" "Miami Vice" style shoulder rig under my G-suit to keep the weapon and magazines clear of snags and getting dirty. However it is a little slow on the "presentation".
Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 15:40:10 (ZULU)
ON pistols on stalk. Its a pain in the butt. Have you tried getting a belt holster and putting it to the rear over the butt cheek? I have run a left hand thigh holster that way a few times. I find getting it to my weakside I dont crawl on it as much.
I ahve also use the inside of a vest. A pouch sewn inside my G Suit and frankly I gave up on quick get outs and just leave it inside my G suit, padded so it does not hurt me when my old body is prone.
Mr. Moore, I prayed for you and hope all is well. Please tell us when you know.
Peter, had to put some French on back burner for slings. the Candian Spe Opps guys needed a rush order and well the French had no plans to use the slings anyway. Ricks Canadian Counter Parts have been taken care of. My back hurts from sewing everyday for last two weeks and all thats waiting now is UPS(Shipped yesterday) to get them there. Just doing my part create a need for more and more virgins in Allah Land.
Undude/Mike
Mike Miller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
CA, - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 16:04:31 (ZULU)
My friend just picked up one of the AR-30s in .338LM. I haven't seen it yet but he says he likes the feel of it(he hasn't shot it yet). He ordered it more than a year and a half ago and it just got in. If you're looking for loads the new Sierra manual, #5, has the .338LM in it. My friend plans on shooting the 300 Matchkings. He didn't buy the manual but looked at one in the local shop and wrote down the loads he wanted to try. I'll see if I can get what he wrote down and post it. Sorry I couldn't help more for actual used loads but here is some info from:
Hodgdon www.hodgdon.com/data/rifle/338lapuamag.htm
Accurate Reloading www.accuratereloading.com/338lmag.html
Reloader Nest www.reloadersnest.com/frontpage.asp?CaliberID=140
Hopefully that will help you get started.
Rob01 <customrem700@aol.com>
- Friday, March 7, 2003, at 16:13:01 (ZULU)
You made a valid point about the fact that there are folks in Germany (I'm not so sure about France) who do not agree with the actions of their elected government(s), and should not be punished for the actions their other countrymen.
But here's the rub. These people have allowed those in power to steer their entire country into a direction that is against the interests of the US, and of the majority of the free world. Perhaps they didn't know or care enough to defeat this evil but therein lies a parallel to the events in Germany in 1933 and those in France during the Vichy government. The German citizenship was promised bread and jobs, and the French bent over and spread their cheeks to save their precious Paris (among other things). Needless to say, Russia has always been our enemy, even while playing ally during WWII.
If this war in Iraq does take place we will all find out exactly why Germany, France, and Russia are doing their best to impede it. We will find missle technology, NBC facilities, and armaments among other things banned by the Gulf War Treaty that have been sold to Iraq by these three "peace-loving" nations. We will no doubt uncover secret treaties that trade Security Council votes for oil. If I am correct, an agreement where Iraq uses its influence to deter terrorist attacks upon these three European countries in exchange for a Security Council veto might also be uncovered.
This alone should cause the downfall of the United Nations (at least as a relevent organization) and cause the US to reexamine its relationship with several other countries once thought of as friends.Most of the population of the US have not forgotten the Cold War, and we certainly will never forget our young men who were maimed or died on European soil to save some people (and countries) who apparently were not worth saving! Deep-seated fear and hatred of Russia exists here, as it always has existed, and now these feelings are being directed towards France and Germany. If the citizens of these countries truly are in opposition to their left-wing socialist leadership let them show it now! Peacefully and politically to be sure, but SHOW US SOMETHING, damnit! Otherwise we shall be forced to let history do the talking, and consider the French as rank cowards with egos as big as DeGaulle's nose, and consider the German population as more concerned with monetary gain and their pathetic attempt to be the leaders of Europe than paying back a war debt that, out of our regard for their survival, was never collected.
That is all,
ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, Colorado, USA - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 16:20:35 (ZULU)
Back when the Shuttle exploded I mentioned that it would be terrible if they suspected a problem and didn't address it. Looks like that indeed happened. Furthermore, the evidence is growing that many of the Shuttles critical systems are not being maintained properly because of contractors not doing the required work. Very sad. I want the old NASA of the 60's back, with the Can Do Never Say Die attitude of Apollo 13. We have seen enough of the other NASA.
Mr Moore -- Prayers sent......Get well soon
Titan <hatherly1@comcast.net>
, Michigan, United States of America - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 16:42:02 (ZULU)
If you can stand the pulling it off a piece of duct tape accross the holster greatly aids the durability of the set up. Just jerk the tape off as fast as you can rather than slowly tear it off.
John; as Martha might say, "That's a good thing!" It's hard to believe there might be those who think Nam was some kind of evil war.
You did a REALLY good thing.
Brogers <brogers@elkhart.com>
- Friday, March 7, 2003, at 16:48:14 (ZULU)
The UN is a farce and always has been, it benefits countries in continents who are always trying to kill each other with wars and civil wars and is a rip off, if they chose to behave like savages instead of working to rais thier countries out of the damn iron age, then screw em, why should we help. We here can't forget the cold war, many of us wish it was still on, then atleast we wouldn't be swamped with all these damn immigrants from behind the former iron curtain.
If the US needs to look at its relationships with other countries, and i fully agree that it should, as time and time again is the friend of today the enemy of tomorow, and we brits and you yanks never seem to learn that.. then the relationships with Israel needs a damn good looking at. If you could ask the Armed forces of germany rather than the politicians, then i figure you'd find some Flecktarn uniforms and Leopard tanks just gagging to go over the berm into Iraq.
Me, i'll just drink me Warsteiner beer, eat my schnitzel, spread the word quietly to all i can, and when i see a couple of US servicemen in a bar, I'll go over and say thanks and buy em a beer.
Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 17:47:21 (ZULU)
Blood pressure was a bit low this morning, so I decided to watch the French Foreign Minister address the UN Security Council.
THAT worked, brought it up nicely.
Funny how "war is never the way, it will result in untold suffering, etc., etc....." in this case, but it seems to me that French attitude towards "American Aggression" was a bit different in June 1944.
These guys don't know the difference between s**t and ShineOla.
Best Regards,
Bruce N. Robinson <bnrobins@flash.net>
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 18:08:15 (ZULU)
I promise that before I boycott a German product, I will first take a look at their public advertising and website. If they publicly support the pro-active stand the US has taken, at IMMENSE cost to the American taxpayer and risk to our young soldiers, then I will not boycott...
If I see no mention of an opinion, I will take it that they are playing the middle and will boycott with vigor... sure hope dealing with the devil turns out to be disaster for Germany's economy...In the end, an economic 'train-wreck' in the fatherland might allow responsible, pro-active leadership to emerge from the reactive stupidity of today. You will need good leadership to defend the southern borders from the terrorists that will soon own France.
Another offer... I will trade you ten parent subsidized, lazy ass, American by birth-right only, liberal college students for every one hard working conservative German you ship our way.
medicjim <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Friday, March 7, 2003, at 18:42:53 (ZULU)
Das french needed those slings for lanyards to hoist the sheets. Now how they gunna surrender?
Gents,
the debate on reflex sights turned into proud ownership of the aimpoint M2. The ARD is back-ordered though. I imagine the M2s will be sold out shortly too. But I "got mine" as we love to say. I also recieved the all-mount kit. The extension rail for carrying handles does not impress me. I'll trade some dollars and that POS for the ARMS version. Two mounting points sound betterer than one.
Admin sucks. Why does every petty office need 9 copies of orders? Just let me move on already....
My email will work thru tax day. After that, standby until I get back online sometime down the road...
Joe M.
Joe Mahon <joseph.mahon@usarec.army.mil>
- Friday, March 7, 2003, at 19:13:57 (ZULU)
Yep, the Frog got my ire up too. If you had seen James Straw (the UK spokesman or whatever to the UN) perform a brutal diplomatic body-slam on him earlier, it kinda explains his (da Frog)whining and bellyachin'...he was plum humiliated (as he should be). In fact Straw got the applause this time and Frenchy got none.
Later,
Rich
RichS. <rs1441@aol.com>
Bal'mer, - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 19:14:10 (ZULU)
I guess that just like we don't ever get the whole truth about what goes on in other countries you guys are not getting all of the facts about conditions here.
Yes, there were many pro- Vietnam War demonstrations here. Anybody remember the "Hardhats"? Many violent confrontations between them and the Hippies in places like NYC, Chicago, and Detroit to name a few. The mass media conveniently forgets all of that to make it appear as if 100% of our population was against that war. In truth, it was mainly students, movie and rock stars, left-wing clergy and politicians, but they were overportrayed as a vast majority. The honest truth is that most young people attended those anti-war rallies to smoke dope and get laid! I should know, I was there. The only ones who really were protesting the war were the few that ran around wearing old od fatigue jackets waving copies of Chairman Mao's little red book and calling each other Comrade! Everyone else who's mind wasn't already burned out by drugs could give a shit less about the politics.
Today, the accounts of these mass rallies against the war with Iraq are again being grossly exagerated by the press. Conflict sells! NYC has a population of over eight million people, and in yesterdays much publiciced "Mass student walkout" all of several hundred young people actually left class and demonstrated. And most of them only because their left wing teachers urged them to do it, and did not punish them for unexcused abscenses.
I live in a valley on the western slope of the Rocky Mountains, about twenty miles from a population center of about one hundred thousand. We get a group of socialists, homosexuals, and other people who live to protest anything, that demonstrate in front of the County courthouse every Friday at noon. I think that their maximun number has been as much as one dozen. All the while the normal residents of this area drive by in their pickups and SUV's flipping them off , mooning them, and shouting curses at the top of their lungs. I'll bet that you would find that this is going on all over the country, only it's left unreported so the media can deceive the outside world.
Hans and Fritz have their heads stuck up their asses! They cannot afford to ignore what is going on. They got away with it during the Nazis rule, but to many of us ignoring the situation is no different than aiding and abetting it! I remember thirty or so years ago when the dollar was very low compared to the deutschmark we were inundated by German tourists who could see the "Wild West" as cheaply as they could vacation in Spain. And when one of these tourists were asked where they were from most all replied "VE ARE SVISS". I'd rather take an ass-kicking than renounce my nationality! It is too bad that the "good" Germans are allowing themselves to be painted by the broad brush that paints their countrymen.
ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, Colorado, USA - Friday, March 7, 2003, at 19:19:35 (ZULU)
Alan,
I understand what you're saying, and I'm just as pissed at the French, Germans, and Russians as you are. But like Pete said, you can't blame the whole populace of these countries (well, maybe the French:o). I mean, are we to blame for the Clinton's? Being from upstate NY, am I to blame for Hillary and Chuckie Schumer? Rest assured that these countries will get their just dues. The people in these countries that support these administrations are the same people that support socialism. As these people keep demanding more and more social benefits from their