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Fieldcraft - Thermal detection:


Darin... "how does one thwart detection?"
If your opposition has that level of detection "toys", you got a lot to worry about, and space blankets won't help... also, their aggressive toys will be "VERY BIG".

But at a lower level, with a $250 IR scope, any sniper in a ghille suit is cold meat, no matter how good it looks in when you put it on.
I don't mean to beat up on the much loved Ghille suit, particularly since some on this site, spend their winter nights re-doing them, but the Scotts are still laughing.

The best Ghille suit is made of the local vegetation tied over a light cotton cover, just like the guys in WW2 used.

"What to do if caught out in the open by an overhead threat?"
If you can't shoot the pilot, raise your hands and pray! Most of the tactical types on this site are LE/Military, active or retired, and serious civilian tactical competitors... The military types have their own solutions (sholder launched), but for the rest of us, being caught in the open by such an advanced opponent, is very unlikely...
... except for my ex-wife.

Pablito
USA - Thursday, February 11, 1999 at 19:58:56 (ZULU) 


I appreciate Pablito's response, however, I was serious in my question on how to avoid thermal detection. Not all thermal imagers for agressive toys are "VERY BIG". Hughes, in cooperation with the Army manufactures the AN/PAS 13 Thermal Weapon System, a 3.8 to 5.0 pound sight that can be mounted on anything from an M-16 to a Barret 82A1. It will detect a man-sized image at 1100 meters. This is only one of several products that weigh less than 5.0 pounds and have a range from 500 to 1100 meters for human detection. For counter-sniper operations a dream, for snipers a nightmare. Does anyone know how to avoid heat detection?
Daren <icnh@inxsnet.com>
USA - Friday, February 12, 1999 at 15:59:20 (ZULU) 
Daren,
On your question, in a nut shell "NO". When doing test with FLIRS, Which I believe is forward looking infared system or something like that, it was nearly impossible to defeat it. Using space blankets only made a nice "Square" out on the ground, holes the same thing, it was so good it would pick up your foot prints across the top of a building or the outline of a dumpster with you hideing in it. If you go up against that kind of technology, as a sniper, you will "Die" end of story and thats just one of the many tools they have to find you, I am sure Rick or Gooch could tell you horror stories about what the military has, so for all you would be snipers this is something to think about.
Pat <mrbullet@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, February 12, 1999 at 16:59:47 (ZULU) 
Daren...
I didn't mean that the imagers were big, I meant that by the time your opposition has the ability to afford the thermal imagers, the technical skill and training to use them, and the ability to view you from above, as in helicopters, your opposition "IS BIG"...
... you're not dealing with a hostage taker in a 7-11 store, or a rebel with an AK-47 in Somalia... your enemy is very capable of dropping or shooting something very bad at you.
If you need to hide from the better thermal devices, then you need more insulation than a "Space blanket... I doubt that two layers of 4 season (below 0º), down sleeping bag over you, would do it.

Pablito <condor@mags.net>
USA - Friday, February 12, 1999 at 17:39:57 (ZULU) 


.... someone asked MUCH earlier about defeating thermal detection. yes it can be done BUT you have to be in an enviroment conducive to beating the odds. Having 4 feet of snow won't hide you and it depends on if you are talking about intermittent or full time observation from an aerial platform. A space blanket isn't all you need...the stuff that goes on the sides of houses works but is a real pain to drag around. If your AO has lots of innerconnecting caves and mines , that would be ideal OR triple canopy vegetation can work but with the current thermal imaging systems available to SOME.....you get the picture. Long term hides will leave a thermal "footprint" that lingers and it also depends on the season. Didn't answer much but didn't want whoever to think they weren't heard.

Will <willadams@mindspring.com>
USA - Sunday, February 14, 1999 at 07:48:31 (ZULU) 


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