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Data book:


Field craft tip: I just discovered a great way for organizing you rifle dope. I hated having it all in my Data book, as it is tough to keep a range record while flipping pages to the dope section. My wife introduced me to a nice tidy book that will hold all your dope in a separate package! It is a small 4x6 Photo album. Made of a sturdy plastic covered outer binder, the thing is pretty water proof. The pages are transparent of course and are bound into the plastic of the cover. No rings to pull free. You can fit all of your dope (wind, elevation, temp, target size, the asundery girlie pics) into this thing and have it all organized and ready and dry! Cost? $1.00 at the local Dollar Store! It beats lamination hands down as you can change things out as needed and it is twenty times cheaper. I think I owe this woman a fine dinner!

Scott <xring@voicenet.com>
USA - Friday, October 09, 1998 at 10:10:22 (EDT)


On data books. I teach that a sniper should have two different types of data book. One is a training book and the other is a mission log book.

The training book is similiar to a competitive shooters data book with the purpose being the attainment of zero's for varying enviromental conditions. It should be protected from the field as it is the sum total of all of the rounds you fire from that gun with different lots of ammo.

The mission log book has firing data in zero summary tables as well as items such as field expedient antenna info, formulas for wind, angle firing, report formats etc. It also contains the log book, field sketches, range cards and target engagment data sheets for that particular mission. Carbons are made as the mission progresses and the originals are turned in to the S-2/intell weenies upon return. I have a prototype which I plan on developing with SMTC when I get up there.

gooch <kdgooch@aol.com>
Sherwood, AR USA - Tuesday, October 13, 1998 at 22:26:04 (EDT)


Gooch - You are absolutely right on the Data Book vs Field Book. The two must not be confused and I would never take a data book into the field. Only excerts from my data book with required data for that mission in the form of tables. Then the decision is what zero will I carry the weapon set on. Close in terrain, point balnk zero, longer terrain then 500 or 600, depending on what I anticipate a snap shot may be required for a high value opportunity target.

Rick <RBowcher@aol.com>
Fayetteville, NC USA - Wednesday, October 14, 1998 at 23:33:38 (EDT) 


On the data book thing.

I have a small (about 5"x8")camouflaged, codura nylon, zippered, 3 ring binder that I use for note taking, carrying around reduced sized training schedules etc. that would work for you guys. It has a small fold out pouch with a pen holder. I added a dual powered Casio fx-300SA calculator which I JB Welded inside and sprayed it liberaly with Scotch Guard to make it water repellant. The Mildot master fits inside and it fits nicely in the BDU Cargo pocket and my Police style tactical trousers that I wear at the Boot Camp. Handy Dandy.

Write RAINE Inc, 6401 S. Madison Ave., PO Box 4230, Anderson, Indiana, 46013-0230. If you can't get it through them let me know our PX carries them.

Gooch out.
gooch <kdgooch@aol.com>
Sherwood, AR USA - Thursday, October 15, 1998 at 11:04:34 (EDT) 


1) Who sells the best log book?

Jim <hampshire@mediacen.navy.mil>
Ft. Meade, MD USA - Monday, November 16, 1998 at 20:05:47 (EST) 


Jim,

Glad to see that you settled on a bolt-action. You can't go wrong by choosing one for your rifle. About your questions. The only one that I can answer is on the log-book. The BEST one is the one that you make yourself. Bob Hodge and I both racked our brains out looking for a good after market log book and came to the conclusion that the best one is the one you make with data collected from your own rifle.
If your dead set on buying one, check out the NSW log book in the IN REVIEW of Sniper Country. This one along with some minor changes and modifications will serve you well.

D. West <westforce@juno.com>
USA - Monday, November 16, 1998 at 20:29:55 (EST) 


Jim: I look at the log/dat book issue as TWO separate issues. You want a DATA book and a LOG book. I do not feel they should be combined. For one thing you end up flipping the combined book around a lot trying to find what you are looking for, while also try to log in your shot. Make your own log book. Just xerox the Marine log book page found in their manual. Make the reduction small enough to fit in a pocket. Stick in enough pages for about 1000 rounds (10 rounds per page), and make it double sided. It works fine for simply keeping track of how your rifle performs. The Data book on the other hand is another animal. In it you want all the stuff related to shooting your rifle. I can not see spending a ton of money on one of these things as you can develop it all on your own. At the same time, there are some books out there for under $30 that are worth it. Paying more makes little sense to me as you can develop this thing on your own for a lot less. I may market one soon just for grins but it will not run over $25. Still, truth be known, the best one you can have is the one you design on your own based on what you have recorded in your Log book.

Scott <xring@voicenet.com>
USA - Tuesday, November 17, 1998 at 19:34:25 (EST) 


Mission / Data book !

I have a UK company, SASS, that would make some samples of a sniper oriented mission book. What should be in there ??? or room for ??

here is my list:

Mil Dot Master, Slope doper, pencils etc., paper, room for a map/photo, calculator under clear plastic, lens pen?, about 6 or 8 clear folder pages to slip notes and data into, a sheet of white plastic to write notes on with a grease pencil,..............????

and all in size that it will fit a BDU leg pocket.

Input please Rick, Gooch, X-ring, ........?

"Ende"
Torsten <Lasercon@dialup.globe.de>
Germany - Wednesday, November 25, 1998 at 04:21:43 (EST) 


Torsten:

Also, the mission/databook,I'm new and all I really have that might qualify as components is some data cards a friend mailed me for logging shooting and rifle/load performance info. I liked them because I now log the number of shots and have an additional place to record load performance as well as conditions for a given day. The other thing I have is Bruce's Mildot Master. A great device, I think. That's it. Actually, I need a book to hold the cards and the MilMaster. I've looked in Walmarts and Kmarts, and next is to try a photo shop. I'm operating at the simpleton level, here, but to pretend otherwise would be, in fact, dishonest. The nite paper is interesting. Any basic advice re: starting points for a data book would be appreciated.

Please email me if you like...

Thanks,

Jeff A.
Jeff A. <d1k2l3@aol.com>
Downtown Atlanta, Ga USA - Wednesday, November 25, 1998 at 11:24:55 (EST) 


Does anyone have any experience with the NSW log book? Any better or cheaper alternatives?

Ding
USA - Thursday, November 26, 1998 at 20:45:11 (EST) 


Data book - I and a few compadres are working on one as we speak. The draft will be done 1 Dec. It incorporates stuff from the USMC and Army programs (Benning and Bragg)as well as shit/stuff we have came across over the years. We are taking great care to make it user friendly and consistent in format throughout. Its about the "A5" model for me so it will be a good one.

gooch <gooch@stormmountain.com>
USA - Thursday, November 26, 1998 at 23:36:04 (EST) 


On the databook. Hold off for a bit. Watch this site for a review (I'll pay Marius and Spider bait off for a good one) and www.stormmountain.com for more info. We'll let ya'll know when it is done.

Gooch
gooch <gooch@stormmountain.com>
USA - Friday, November 27, 1998 at 17:26:38 (EST) 


On the subject of break in and log books, when do you need to start keeping the log? Before the break in starts? In the middle of the break in? After you think it is broken in?

On that subject, how do you know when the break in is complete? Number of rounds, groupings, how many gallons of solvent you use?

Bolt <mbolt34547@aol.com>
USA - Thursday, February 04, 1999 at 16:18:32 (ZULU) 


Bolt,
Its my habit to keep records from the first shot down the barrel. Sometimes it may take several hundred rounds before the rifle "Settles in" but normally it will be with in the first 100rds on factory rifles and less on aftermarket barrels. The best way to tell if its broke in, is when they quit fouling so bad and there a lot easier to clean. Then sometime after that they will start shooting better and more consistant groups. Others may have different opinions but thats kind of what I've found on mine.
Pat <mrbullet@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, February 04, 1999 at 17:11:25 (ZULU) 

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