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Gentlemen,

I've got one for you. Last evening I personally witnessed some thing that just turned my stomach. A little girls doll called "Cuddle and Coo", if any of you may be familiar, is a motion activated doll that responds with adolesent verbaliztions, hence the "coo" part. Here comes the good stuff...after a series of these cooing responses comes "Islam is the light".

This "doll" is manufactured by Fischer Price-Mattell and most any inquiries by the public as to this thing have met with some "less than accomadating" information. This is no joke and there is no punch line. Our children from babies to our young adults are beeing indoctrinated in the most sudtle ways. Please pull them in close and watch.

"This is news anchor Chicken Little...film at eleven".

Scott F.
Hillbillyland, - Thursday, November 13, 2008, at 01:32:03 (ZULU)

Scott: If we park all the boeings in the world, Islam retreats back to some caves in shitholes around a crappy assed gulf. And, the parking of airliners is why I came by:))

Systemic failure....Let's say GM either gets bailed out or not. If it does, the union structures eat the bail out for lunch, and we get 6 months worth of anemic production--which is not moving, since many more of us working for un-balied industries are idled, laid off and plain assed fired. No money, no new cars, no GM down the road. Let's say they don't (they will, so we get this and another bit of bad news anyway, just later): This is NOT an auto manufacturer problem--this is a systemic problem involving money that evaporated in the vault; so the mo-fo's not buying GM today will not buy tomorrow--no matter how much congress gives them, it will not move vehicles off the showroom floor. Duh. You wanna bail out the auto industry? Slash their tax load and ease up on union protectionist laws; slash my tax load, and ease up on the embedded taxes in every damned thing i buy...and, while the revenues are short---slash the guvmint too. The big three will roll out of detroit and smash the globe. OK, so we aren't gunna do this. Let's do nothing then: Plants close (click), local revenue falls; cops get laid off (the mayor keeps his busty sexitary)--and all those shiftless unemployed UAW types start needing food...and they gots no money...but the kiddies are hungry....How civilized are you when your kids cry in hunger? yeah...disorder is the order of the day. repeat across the midwest. Add the proposed defense slash, and NE and the left coast can play too. A bailout is moving this scenario to the right, but who is going to sustain it? Me? Shit, I'm broke. Besides, I bought a diesel and it'll maybe outlast my honda...maybe; its got a quarter million mile headstart...

So that industry is smarting--which one isn't? Deflation is underway. The fed is printing money like the weimar republic did, and the global trade appratus is grinding to a halt. The EU and Britain held interest too high for too long (intentionally burying the dollar and driving up oil) and now they went too far...hahaha, serves them right; they thought they delinked from our economy....as if:) Anyway, Asia is in retraction...and we are, as bad as this sounds, propping the whole mess up on the backs of future taxsubjects. The US economy is a dynamo in statistical comparisons...but that only means we have much farther to fall...and that it takes longer:))

Prediction: double digit unemployment by Easter, and the tipping point for urban societies will be 20-22% for a pleasant descent to hell.

You do know that economic collapse feeds on itself, right? If you have a job making bread for me, but I just lost my job and don't buy your bread...OK, you get the picture...

President Barack Obama...you gotta be kidding me. The assholes who want a piece of my pie voted this guy in? OK, enjoy your fuckin' pie, shitbags! Too bad the real lesson is in fiat money and deficit spending, cuz this woulda been a great and fast drop to the lowest common denominator for socialistic policies and their great and nasty downside. If we take from the rich, there are no more rich...that means the fucks that get a piece of his pie have an extra 400 bucks this moonth--and the dude that used to write your paycheck is now just as broke as you:)) Yeah, that is where it could have gone for us if not for the great swindle of T-bonds we foisted on the world for years:))

Heheheh. And Japan thought our nukes were bad ju-ju...just wait til they get a taste of the T-bomb.

If i wasn't stuck in the same box as everyone else, I'd be pissing myself in laughter.

I know what can fix it...and there is not chance in hell we will even try. Shit, unleash the American! Impose consumption tax; bag agencies wholsale at the federal level, deregulate as much medical as you can each day until I say stop, cut loans to lcoalities to pick up the slack, cut more guvmint...and zero corporate taxes. expand crimnal law to corporations to fetter the unfettered, cuz i am a nice guy to the little people, and stand back and watch the US own China, and the EU (as a novelty item).

But no, we'll keep the government, the impossible tax codes, and spending unearned dollars like there's no tomorrow...

Oh shit; talk about a self fulfilling destiny---there is NO tomorrow the way we are going!

One last thing: I forgot to mention inflation...it is coming. Think sine wave; the trick is to keep it smooth. Right now, we are at the bottom a wild fluctuation....

we are seeing deflation--prices falling for commodities, oil amonghtem, and there is a drop in prices across product lines. But, simultaneously, there is also a drop in demand as credit tightens. Liquidity is froze up at the upper end (it is coming to you soon), and major industries are in real trouble--payroll trouble. Soon, no job for you. Okay, then we have a shift in consumer habits; less production, and many unemployed eating at civic budgets world wide. Next comes the market forces of hunger: Low production means low supply, eh? But what of all these newly minted dollars? One loaf of bread, pocketfulls of c-notes...the highest bidder gets the bread. Inflation--the other end of that sine wave.

It is all here...my worst freakin nightmare that I have been watching coming for over a year now...

"Oh, but it can't happen here...this is America..." The last words of an Obama supporter who never saw a failed country in his lifetime...until one shot him in the head as a looter.

Joe M
Thursday, November 13, 2008, at 02:19:29 (ZULU)

Joe M.

Nice delivery,but from what I am startin to see in the Trucking side of things,its comin sooner then Easter.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi., USA - Thursday, November 13, 2008, at 07:21:17 (ZULU)

Joe M...

DUDE, you are missing the whole thing. Phuck the banks and AIG.

The fed only has to send checks to ALL of the working families in the country - all 100,000,000 of them, for $200,000 each.

See, it workie like this - we all get $200,000. Each recipient pays $100,000 of the national debt - I mean, it IS our loan, Right? And that will wipe out the entire debt!

Then we all pay off out mortgages and car loans, maybe get a new car - that will put money back in the banks, and the banks will now have money to loan.

I learned that today when I was talking to a libral... she was serious!!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, November 13, 2008, at 10:27:38 (ZULU)

P.J. O'Rourke says, "We blew it". He is always fun to read but this is painful. It wouldn't be worth reading if it it wasn't.

If anyone wants to trade a good .22 scope away, watch the emporium. I've got some good stuff to trade and am looking for a Loopie, a Nikon Monarch, a B&L 4200 or something similar.

CDC'
Thursday, November 13, 2008, at 12:39:01 (ZULU)

Lito'

Hey Man she was just splain'n Keynesian economics to ya... I got that crap pounded into my head my first year in college. All it is, is you write checks faster than they can be collected... My prof's sure hated it when I pointed this out over and over and over again to their pointy little under nourished minds... Unfortunately, fedzilla has been operating (with our money,time and effort ) on this model since FDR...

The really disturbing thing about the whole bail out mess is, if you take the time to read the unconstitutional piece of treasonous crap is not the fact that 700 billion has been stolen from the American people but that it gives the head of the fed and the treasury unlimited powers that 'can't' be questioned by the courts or clowngress or anyone else for that matter... There is nothing in it that limits the treasury or the fed from doing it again...

Now the car manufactures want 'bailed out' and the powers that be want to pay off the unions and management for making bad decisions and there is nothing to stop it from happening.. Clowngress and the current administration has voted and signed us into slavery.. The treasury has just become a giant slush fund for who ever the ruling party is.....

Stay safe

Calvin

PS anyone notice gun and ammo sales going off the charts ?

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Thursday, November 13, 2008, at 13:29:59 (ZULU)

Calvin: Keynes General Equilibrium Model predicts maximum productivity - thus happiness - with a 100% tax rate.

He got a Nobel Prize for that.

One gun store in this area was supposed to have sold 600 ARs on Monday.

600.

Hmmm...

CDC'
Thursday, November 13, 2008, at 14:40:30 (ZULU)

Calvin...

The auto makers are in the fix that they are, BECAUSE of past loans and bailouts.

About 4 or 5 months ago, ford closed four plants and laid off some eleventy million workers... but you can't get a Mustang for less than $20,000 OVER LIST, and even with the $20k over list you have to wait and take any color that comes in.

The big problem with these bailouts is that they come with conditions, and the conditions are that they build certain cars and that overall production must be divided into certain models... if sales of the little cars are low, they must cut back the bigger cars so the percentages stay the same.

I love the financial bailout - it was a 24 hour crisis, but they haven't done anything with the money in three weeks, and now they say phuck the mortgage holders, they are going to use the money to buy up the banks - are you guys getting this - if the govt owns a big piece of the banks, they don't need warrants to look at your accounts - Duh???

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, November 13, 2008, at 16:03:51 (ZULU)

CDC',

My dealer is so busy, it's spooky. Last Friday there was standing room only, and they were going crazy with background checks, ammo sales, and magazine sales.

I went in again on Monday, ~1/3 of all the rifles and handguns were gone.... sold. And he carries hundreds of weapons. Last time I saw this kind of action was pre-Y2K.

I put a new rifle on order, typical lead times were ~4 weeks. Lead time is now ~10 weeks.

... and on it goes...

Duman
Thursday, November 13, 2008, at 16:15:05 (ZULU)

re: gun sales gold rush

It's going to be difficult for the antis to argue in court that the AR15 pattern is not in "common use" with the shear numbers of the past and present purchases and multiple manufacturers selling to the public. (ref: SC Heller decision.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

(Of couse, the antis will just try a different tactic).

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, November 13, 2008, at 16:51:48 (ZULU)

Scott F, I recommend some reading for you on your islamofasict doll:

http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/dolltalk.asp

Joe, you and I are - again - on the same page. I see things as getting slightly better before April, which is why I've been saying that "tax return season" is going to bag a BUNCH of stuff. About then though, I see things "letting go" at the seams.

The "gun rush": one of the little shops here - and here they're ALL little shops - got in 27 AR pattern rifles a few days ago. Mostly Bushies, but a smattering of everything. My thoughts were that he bought everything he could get his hands on. That morning they were put out - by noon, there were 6 left. It's not 600, but it sure does say something when the local tiny community purchases AR type weapons at that rate.

Kittywhacker - it's not just cars, it's engines too. I couldn't buy my truck with the next larger engine in it (that I wanted) 'cause there weren't any offered. In talking with the salesman, he explained that they have to sell so many 4-cylinders per so many small 6 cylinders, per so many large 6 cylinder, for every V8. Due to that, if I wanted the bigger engine, I had to get my truck as a crew cab or king cab. I've been running the smaller engine instead... supply and demand is dead.

Bravo
Thursday, November 13, 2008, at 18:31:47 (ZULU)

rod...

>"It's going to be difficult for the antis to argue in court that the AR15 pattern is not in "common use" with the shear numbers of the past and present purchases and multiple manufacturers selling to the public. (ref: SC Heller decision.)"<

It is my understanding that the AR pattern rifle is now the most popular in the country.

Hard to say they have no use by regular citizens.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, November 13, 2008, at 18:32:02 (ZULU)

Bravo,

Part of your "engine acquisition" problem had to do with CAFE (Corporate Avg. Fuel Economy). The ratio of engines sold goes directly to the calculation of CAFE, and penalties assessed the automakers.

The current $750B bailout? They disbursed ~$290B, and have no idea where it's at, and why it's not working. Meanwhile, the banks that got the $$$ are using it to pay bonuses, pay dividends, boost stock prices, and acquire other financial institutions.

And who's complaining the loudest? Senator Dodd (a.k.a. "DUH-dd"), who helped make this fiasco happen.

This is a baaadd soap opera, "As the Stomach Turns".

Duman
Friday, November 14, 2008, at 01:55:21 (ZULU)

fieldcraft:

http://www.riteintherain.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=7511&Category=

"Weatherjet" Ink-Jet Paper - 100 Sheets (8 1/2" x 11")

"Weatherjet" has a micro-porous surface that turns standard ink-jet inks into permanent, waterproof images. Print on both sides. Ink-jet only. 8 mil.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, November 14, 2008, at 04:20:56 (ZULU)

More fieldcraft: Use Loctite "Stick and seal ultra" (Home Depot) to wrap and stick that same paper (inexpensive little notebooks are available) to target turret knobs. I did my Leupold high target turrets. Transfer your come-up data to the paper. A .5mm mechanical pencil works fine. A lighted magnifier helps. When you are finished, seal the paper with the "stick and seal". Works great for varmint and LR hunting rigs. It is kind of like Kenton Industries knobs (click) except cheaper. Replacement knobs are available from loopie for $8. To remove chart, soak in laquer thinner.

When you make one you check out and trust, you could send it to Kenton Industries. They could make one that looks a little more dignified.

CDC'
Friday, November 14, 2008, at 05:06:14 (ZULU)

Perhaps doom and gloom by 2012 (I thought this was interesting, do I believe it totally, no), click on my name or paste the link -

http://www.infowars.com/?p=5938

Another interesting video:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32cxf_yuri-bezmenov

Darren
East Bay, California, USA - Friday, November 14, 2008, at 16:08:12 (ZULU)

I have the dope for the conditions I shoot under most of the time memorized.

When operating under different conditions, I use a ballistic program to calculate new dope for distances beyond 600 yards - dope for closer shots rarely varies, and I shoot everything inside that distance using holdovers from a 100 yard zero anyway, so I ain't turning the knob.

I write that data on a piece of cardboard the size of a business card, and encase it in a self-laminating luggage tag. I put a piece of 550 cord through the tag, and attach it to my body in a convenient place.

Simple and cheap, easy to make another for either conditions, a different cartridge, or a new load. No CDI factor, but I've got my chick, and she doesn't care about stuff like that.

You could also put a sticky note inside your rear scope cover - but those caps sometimes break or get lost.

Lindy
Rockport, Texas, - Friday, November 14, 2008, at 16:32:00 (ZULU)

Lindy: I use the technique you describe. This is essentially the same thing with a step removed. It seems to work okay. Some of these gentlemen may want to try the trick I posted and report back. Maybe not.

In any case, I respect your opinion.

CDC'
Friday, November 14, 2008, at 17:12:52 (ZULU)

Wes, Joe, drop me your phone numbers on the Riflemen addy - going to borrow a phone this weekend ;-)

Buying stuff country! No, not "panic buying" country....

OK, so I want to buy some stuff, to replace some that were essentially stolen. I know what I want to buy, but am looking for the best deal - these are all for 5.56 NATO.

Here's the list:

Redding S-FL die

nitride bushing for above

Redding competition seating die

Redding crimp die

Lyman M die

4 Hornady Lock-n-load bushings for these dies

Redding universal decapping die

RCBS precision mic

And a few cans of Hornady One-Shot probably....

Usually I do business with Graf and Sons. On this list, they are VERY slightly more expensive than Midway (and Midway is typically more expensive than most!). I figured I'd price the list at Natches too, since they've been good to me as well.

Any other recommendations of less expensive places?

And now to flashlights!

I'm looking for recommendations that won't break the bank. Gotta order at least three of these.....

I'm gonna list the qualities I'm looking for, if anyone has a good recommendation, I'd appreciate it!

LED

takes 18650 batteries

standard Surefire type switch (forwad tactical clicky)

only 1 mode! I want it on or off, no other levels or strobes

clicky is somewhat guarded (can do tailstand) to prevent accidental activation

double o-rings everywhere

some flats somewhere, so it won't roll

100 lumens minimum

glass lens

and a strike bezel would be a plus, but certainly not a requirement

Thanks guys!

Bravo
Friday, November 14, 2008, at 18:05:28 (ZULU)

Bravo, look at Fenix lights.

https://www.fenix-store.com/index.php?cPath=22

Also, you might want to consider a long running solution as well...disasters sometimes last a long time <g> I've used this one in some pretty severe environments....

http://www.streamlight.com/product/product.aspx?pid=118

medicjim
Friday, November 14, 2008, at 19:45:30 (ZULU)

Bravo,

Will those batteries fit a SureFire?

Duman
Friday, November 14, 2008, at 21:27:56 (ZULU)

Not any that I've seen.

They're very slightly larger in diameter - but the exact length of two 123 batteries stacked end-to-end.

Since you don't get the dead area between the two batteries, and the slightly larger diameter, one 18650 battery lasts significantly longer than two 123 disposable batteries.

The light I had on the side of the XCR was one of those. I just don't want something quite that...... big..... for carrying ;-)

Bravo
Friday, November 14, 2008, at 23:21:10 (ZULU)

re: Fenix lights

check out this supplier, they have latest in Fenix and are wonderful to deal with - even from Canada! I've been using them for a few years now.

I just ordered the LD10.

http://www.cfrlights.com/servlet/the-Fenix-Flashlights/Categories

LD10: (currently $56 on special)

The Fenix LD10 is digitally regulated and digitally controlled. It has two output modes which produce a total of six levels of output. These modes not only allow the user to select the best compromise between brightness and runtime for any given task, but they also help to aid in an emergency. The LD10 does all this and still retains a very compact size. If you're looking for solid reliability, digitally-regulated brightness, and compact size, this Fenix is for you.

Features

Cree 7090 XR-E LED

Two modes of output, selected by turning the bezel:

General Mode: 9 lumens (34hrs) -> 47 lumens (6hrs) -> 94 lumens (2.2hrs) -> SOS

Turbo Mode: 120 lumens (1.5hrs) -> Strobe

17 days of survival use (2 continuous hours per day on the lowest setting)

Digitally regulated for constant brightness

Uses one 1.5V AA ( Alkaline, NiMH, Lithium ) battery (not included), inexpensive and widely available

100mm (L) x 21.5mm (D)

Made of T6 aircraft-grade aluminum

Durable Type III hard-anodized finish

50-gram (or 1.7 oz) weight (excluding batteries)

Water-proof to IPX8 standard

Toughened ultra clear glass lens with AR coating

Push-button tail cap switch

Capable of standing up securely on a flat surface to serve as a candle

Includes a holster, a lanyard, two spare o-rings, and a rubber switch boot

This product comes with a textured reflector

Operation:

Depress the tailcap button to turn the light on and turn the bezel to select the mode. A fully-tightened bezel will select Turbo Mode, and a loosened bezel will select General Mode. Soft-pressing the tailcap button while the light is on will change the output level of the selected mode. Turn the light off for over two seconds and the regulative circuit will be reset.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, November 14, 2008, at 23:52:02 (ZULU)

Bravo, sir,

Your link to "Snopes" and their information is completely false and a lie. First of all, Snopes is not the end all be all of information and they themselves are not what they try to portray themselves to be. They're liberals.

Secondly, I was there, along with aproximately 200 other people in the same room. We all heard the same thing...CLEARLY!

Stick your head in the sand if you want, but these things are happening at an alarming rate. Shiria law as it relates to investing, Muslim demands that supersede local and federal law, etc. etc.

Please sir, I mean no disrespect as I've watched your comments and valued your insights for many years, but I can refute "Snopes" or anyone else along with the hundreds of others in the room with me.

This sickens me.

I'm feelin' some righteous indignation comin' on!!

Scott F.
Hillbillyland, - Saturday, November 15, 2008, at 00:31:49 (ZULU)

Do a web-search for [ snopes bias ]. I'm skeptical all the way around.

Bravo: What light are you using on your little semi-auto?

CDC'
Saturday, November 15, 2008, at 20:34:42 (ZULU)

Hogs -- I archived the roster and updated the links in the archives page. I'm not terribly artistic with the tables - so please forgive.

However -- the roaster should be nice and fast to load.

Marius can pretty it up when he gets back into the saddle.

Take care,

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Conservatives headed for exile - Sunday, November 16, 2008, at 00:51:38 (ZULU)

Gents -just checking in to brag a bit. Got my first elk- a 6x4 bull about two hours into my first MT elk hunt. Thanks to CDC I got the elk bug last year and finally spotted, stalked, and shot my bull.

I am so glad to have moved up to MT (shortly after our ID hunt last year)!

LTChip
Helena, MT, USA - Sunday, November 16, 2008, at 01:25:26 (ZULU)

Well, I'm a pretty proud Dad today. My middle kid (8 year old girl) put a 3 shot group just inside of an inch at 100 yards, shooting prone off of a bipod with my .223 stealth. These were her first shot's ever with a CF rifle and the first time shooting beyond 25 yards.

JLU

Joe Udelhofen
Oconomowoc, WI, USA - Sunday, November 16, 2008, at 04:16:33 (ZULU)

Lindy I started making cards after shooting with you at RO this spring.

I borrowed a .308 from Tony and after shooting the train up I wrote my dope on some paper and taped it to the stock below the scope parallax knob. Match starts. Start walking around with my rifle slung over my back with my pack. Time to shoot. Drop the pack, back there somewhere, get into position, check range, check dope...FUCK my piece of paper is all chewed up to shit from rubbing on the pack! Log book is closed, inside of a zipped closed log book case, inside of a zipped closed pocket on my pack which is, back there somewhere. So much for that idea.

Now with my own rifle I almost have it all memorized but I still have to look to be sure. My scope is now a USO with that big EREK knob which I like and the numbers are easy to see. I spin it right to where I want to be in an instant, or hold over the exact same number because the adjustments match the reticle.

So I use the card, have it written down on in the log book right there next to me, tape it on the stock, and my knob is clearly marked. I guess that's a mix of all systems and impossible for even this coon ass to screw up LOL.

For range I either dial it or hold over depending on the scenario. If it's long or the wind is hard I try to dial because I can do it very quickly then just hold off for wind. That way at least some of the reticle is still touching the target.

When I hold over for range, then hold off for wind so that no part of the reticle is touching the target, I usually miss. Then for some reason I get crossed up when trying to figure out the amount of the miss. I see the impact but if I'm in a hurry I don't really get how much I just held exactly right and I launch another in a hurry and miss again. I'm trying to work on that all the time but it's tough for me.

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Sunday, November 16, 2008, at 05:19:52 (ZULU)

I just posted a set of Night Forces bases on the emporium.

LTChip: Excellent. There's no feeling like it.

Bravo: What kind of "leopard light" are you using on your 5.56? A surefire? How do you mount it?

CDC'
Sunday, November 16, 2008, at 13:23:41 (ZULU)

Greetings,

Dope country: I put my dope on the inside of the scope cover and on the stock, both under laminate. Always good to have a contigency. I could see where the card on cord would work. I have also seen folks have a carrier with a clear laminate window they wear on there weak arm. They all have there pros and cons. If you laminate a card to your stock, put it someplace you wont cover it up with a stock pad (if you use one). FWIW

Pay II
Sunday, November 16, 2008, at 14:58:36 (ZULU)

Hi, Marc!

What I do when I need to make a correction to a shot is to put the rifle on the original point of aim, and visualize where on the reticle the shot which missed impacted. I move that point on the reticle over the center of the target, and press the trigger.

That way, I don't have to figure out how much to correct.

It is a skill which takes practice - but it's really fast.

Lindy
Rockport, Texas, - Monday, November 17, 2008, at 03:04:11 (ZULU)

Gee, Al Queda declared Obama a "murtad"-that's an apostate who devout muslims have a duty to kill. But, I'm sure he can 'splain all that to them. Fighters supposedly on route to US for an op bigger than 9/11.

Huuuummmm...inaguration?

This is surreal, I'm shopping for an Mforgery????????????

WR Moore
Monday, November 17, 2008, at 03:46:00 (ZULU)

While I am in the posting mood and am sitting here pondering the rush on ARs I have a question.

If I wanted an AR based varminter in 204 Ruger where would you guys point me? I found two candidates - a DPMS and a Les Baer.

Thoughts? Recommendations of others?

I am pretty sure George won't do one in 204.

LTChip
Helena, MT, - Monday, November 17, 2008, at 04:01:49 (ZULU)

WR Moore I hope that doesn't happen. I hate the son of a bitch as much as anyone here but if he gets it the shit will hit the fan in a big way. If it's the scenario discussed a few posts earlier with an angry white supremecist, then the civil unrest here would make the King riots look like 4th grade recess. If our jihadist enemies come over here and kill our CIC, well, I can only imagine how fearless they would become. To make matters worse then we'd have Joe Biden to take care of the situation!

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Monday, November 17, 2008, at 05:07:13 (ZULU)

LtChip-you can't go wrong with anything Baer makes. I've gotta admit I'm a bit curious about DPMS myself. I vaguely recall some negative stuff, but can't remember who, what, when, where.

MarcS- Joe the mouth would be right behind "O" during the actual inaguration. Unfortunately, the Chief Justice would be right beside him. Security is extremely tight at that point, very unlikely, but more I'm not going to say at this point. No aid & comfort etc.

WR Moore
Monday, November 17, 2008, at 05:57:08 (ZULU)

White Oak Precision makes a 204 upper, the one I have works great. S/F.....Ken M

Ken M
Monday, November 17, 2008, at 06:17:21 (ZULU)

al Qa'eda won't go after Obama any harder than they would go after Bush. They definitely do not like Bush.

CDC'
Monday, November 17, 2008, at 14:42:00 (ZULU)

CDC, on the carbine light:

I worked a P2 at the Gunsite course, decided it didn't have enough power for my tastes. It was mounted in a Vltor rail mount. I didn't like the mount either..... one of the instructors yelled "who lost a light" and I thought "I'd hate to be that sucker". Except it turns out I *WAS* that sucker.

So I got ahold of Joe, and asked him what he used, and how it worked for him. Taking the specifications of what he used, I did some shopping, for essentially the same specifications on light output, etc. Except I wanted LED instead of incandescent.

I ordered a Tiablo A8LE. The LE isn't "law enforcement", it's "limited edition". Came with an orange peel and smooth reflector assembly - after messing with both I put the orange peel assembly in the box and left it there.

Here's the replacement tailcap switch:

http://www.batteryjunction.com/tacticalswitch-a8.html

The Tiablo A8 and A8LE are long gone. Their A9 is still available, and that tailcap switch works with it too from what I understand.

Lighting up a target at a quarter mile is QED. It's bright - over 250 lumens - and columnated well. Working over my place at night, I can illuminate a room more than adequately just from the "bounce" or "splash" or whatever it's called - pointing the light at the floor.

To mount the light, I used a cheap 1" aluminum low scope ring for proof of concept. Master Rick, being just short of a prophet, was 100% on my ARMS rings failing. And 100% right when he said it'd happen when it'd be the worst for me. When they did, I sent them back for (free) rebuild. I won't trust them EVER for a scope, but for a weapon light I think they'll do fine. I'll drop some 30mm to 1" plastic ring reducers in there, and use one per carbine. I'm using the 3 o'clock rail, as far forward as possible - I want activation of the light to be something that requires forethought, specific effort, and can't produce sympathetic squeeze on the trigger.

Reuse, reduce, recycle? Something like that.

My only gripes with the light are that the switch isn't quite as guarded as I'd like (no problems yet, but just "preference") and the stupid o-ring in front of the lens is made from glow-in-the-dark material. To fix the glow, all I did was slap a Butler Creek flip-up occular end scope cover over the front of the light. Fits great, protects the lens, and nobody can see the glow (GRIN).

I'm not claiming that I'm a guru or anything though, so take it for what it's worth - it seems to work for me. And I haven't broken it yet - had it on there for two and a half years now. If I'd known I couldn't buy those lights after the "limited edition" run, I would have gotten four instead of one.....

And the 18650 batteries are now my favorites.

Bravo
Monday, November 17, 2008, at 17:06:37 (ZULU)

Bravo,

250 lumens? Wow! That's a LOT of light. I have a surefire at 65 lumens, and at full intensity it will light up a house. Maybe I'm just not calibrated properly.

Those 18650 batteries, how long do they take to recharge? Have you noticed any charging fatigue? Are they as strong as when originally out of the box? Can you charge them from a cigarette lighter in your truck?

Looking at the specs, they seem to have the electronics figured out, PWM for power control. CREE LEDs... those guys were at the forefront of SiC blue LEDs in the 80s. All these flashlights are a LOT less than the Surefire lights.

You dog! Now I have the bug for another flashlight.... :8-{

Duman
Monday, November 17, 2008, at 23:48:31 (ZULU)

"Gee, Al Queda declared Obama a "murtad"-that's an....."

I think they were trying to say More'trud', than the last one.

What I really chimed in for.....

"....To make matters worse, then we'd have Joe Biden to take care of the situation!...."

Just think if O'bammy AND up-chuck Biden were both takin out!!!

Think about it....

Nancy Piglosi.... President! AAAAAAHHHH!

The horror.

Jim B.
AZ, You cant win the hearts and minds of the heartless and mindless - Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 00:02:58 (ZULU)

That was suposed to say "Turd" But it wont let me edit it for some reason?

Jim B.
AZ, you cant win the hearts and minds of the heartless and mindless - Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 00:11:25 (ZULU)

Well sniperdudes ... I am retiring from the PD.

Accepted a position as staff chief of Black Hills Ammunition.

Will be moving from my beloved Texas to South Dakota after the first of the year.

Another chapter in the adventure ...

brian k. sain
Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 04:25:46 (ZULU)

Best of luck on the new job,Brian.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 05:00:46 (ZULU)

Congrats Brian that sounds like great news. I'm sure you won't miss the hurricanes or the humidity. I know I don't.

Best of luck to you.

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 05:36:17 (ZULU)

More damned insomnia:

Bravo, you are a wonder. So are are the new flashlights and the associated technology.

At medicjim's recommendation, I looked at the fenix flashlight page. YouTube has a bunch of vids of, well, geeks comparing the things.

(Whatever flips these guys' switches...)

I will, of course, need several. Lights, that is. Geekettes are more my style.

Click for retrofit LED gizzies for maglights and such. They claim 140 lumens out of a 3D.

CDC'
Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 11:53:43 (ZULU)

Brian,

Sounds like a great deal. Congratulations. Maybe now you'll have time to finish that book. ;o)

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The frosty Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 12:24:08 (ZULU)

Brian: Congratulations, and I guess that means you've worked your last hurricane. Oh, darn! I know THAT breaks your heart...

Not.

Lindy
Rockport, Texas, - Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 13:30:23 (ZULU)

It will be retirement in name only.

The Taliban are still apparently in dire need of medicine and I will do my best at playing the pharmacist for those administering it ...

Thanks for the well wishes friends.

brian k. sain
Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 14:05:30 (ZULU)

Brian, congrats on your new job.

Darren
East Bay, California, USA - Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 14:36:03 (ZULU)

BKS - After seeing what you did with American Snipers....I think Black Hills has made a move consistant with increased profitability in the short and long term...

medicjim
Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 15:35:58 (ZULU)

BKS:

Good things *can* happen to good people.

Congrats on your new career. Pharmacist to the incurable...

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 16:28:39 (ZULU)

CDC:

Candlepower Forum is one of several places where the photon afficinados hang out.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 16:31:21 (ZULU)

BKS:

Congrats on your career change. Don't forget your winter coat :-).

HDR
OK, - Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 16:35:19 (ZULU)

BKS, congrats! Glad to hear you're going into a 'safer' industry ;-) Hopefully the world won't end before we get a chance to hook up again.

CDC, I'm not a wonder, I just research things to figure out which one to bet on, and try to beat the selected one up. Unfortunately, in my research on lights, I had to learn the jargon. The ticket is "tactical forward clicky" - which is nerdese for "like a Surefire". Without that kind of a switch, I won't use it. Everything else is pretty much preference.

Duman, you bet it's a lot of light (GRIN) and it comes out in a column that's TIGHT. We have this 3-gun night shoot around here. Point the rifle straight up, and you can see the dust in the air LOL! Kind of like that pyramid casino in Las Vegas.

On the 18650 batteries, I haven't timed the charging - I just plug 'em in and wait for the red light to turn green. I'd guesstimate 4 hours maybe? I bought two of those batteries with the charger when I got the flashlight. If there has been any degredation in the length of use, I have yet to see it. Then again, most good rechargeables are fine for at leat 500 recharges, and I'm nowhere near that. I didn't buy the version that plugs in the 12V cigarette lighter socket, so I really don't know. Thanks for bringing that up - I ought to have that capability!

The ONLY thing I can't do with the CREE is flip a filter over the front of it to shine IR instead of white light (and the CREE is VERY white). HOWEVER, they do make LED IR lights, which are cool 'nuff. If I was into this stuff more, I'd feel the need to buy one - probably the GLOTOOB version.

Off to the meeting of no end......

Bravo
Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 19:22:01 (ZULU)

WHITE GUILT IS DEAD

By Tom Adkins

Look at my fellow conservatives! There they go, glumly shuffling along, depressed by the election aftermath. Not me. I’m virtually euphoric. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not thrilled with America ’s flirtation with neo socialism. But there’s a massive silver lining in those magical clouds that lofted Barak Obama to the Presidency. For today, without a shred of intellectually legitimate opposition, I can loudly proclaim to America : The Era of White Guilt is over.

This seemingly impossible event occurred because the vast majority of white Americans didn’t give a fluff about skin color, and enthusiastically pulled the voting lever for a black man. Not just any black man. A very liberal black man who spent his early career race-hustling banks, praying in a racist church for 20 years, and actively worked with America-hating domestic terrorists. Wow! Some resume! Yet they made Barak Obama their leader. Therefore, as of Nov 4th, 2008, white guilt is dead.

For over a century, the millstone of white guilt hung around our necks, retribution for slave-owning predecessors. In the 60s, American liberals began yanking that millstone while sticking a fork in the eye of black Americans, exacerbating the racial divide to extort a socialist solution. But if a black man can become President, exactly what significant barrier is left? The election of Barak Obama absolutely destroys the entire validation of liberal white guilt. The dragon is hereby slain.

So today, I’m feeling a little “uppity,” if you will. From this day forward, my tolerance level for having my skin color hustled is now exactly ZERO. And it’s time to clean house. No more Reverend Wright’s “God Damn America ,” Al Sharpton’s Church of Perpetual Victimization , or Jesse Jackson’s rainbow racism. Cornell West? You’re a fraud. Go home. All those “black studies” programs that taught kids to hate whitey? You must now thank Whitey. And I want that on the final.

Congressional Black Caucus? Irrelevant. Maxine Waters? Shut up.. ACORN? Outlawed. Black Panthers? Go home and pet your kitty. Black separatists? Find another nation that offers better dreams. Go ahead. I’m waiting.

Gangsta rappers? Start praising America . Begin with the Pledge of Allegiance. And please…no more ebonics. Speak English, and who knows where you might end up? Oh, yeah…pull up your pants. Your underwear is showing. You look stupid.

To those Eurosnots who forged entire careers hating America ? I’m still waiting for the first black French President.

And let me offer an equal opportunity whupping. I’ve always despised lazy white people. Now, I can talk smack about lazy black people. You’re poor because you quit school, did drugs, had three kids with three different fathers, and refuse to work. So when you plop your Colt 45-swilling, Oprah watchin’ butt on the couch and complain “Da Man is keepin’ me down,” allow me to inform you: Da Man is now black. You have no excuses.

No more quotas. No more handouts. No more stealing my money because someone’s great-great-great-great grandparents suffered actual pain and misery at the hands of people I have no relation to, and personally revile.

It’s time to toss that massive, obsolete race-hustle machine upon the heap of the other stupid 60s ideas. Drag it over there, by wife swapping, next to dope-smoking. Plenty of room right between free love and cop-killing. Careful…don’t trip on streaking.. There ya go, don’t be gentle. Just dump it. Wash your hands. It’s filthy.

In fact, Obama’s ascension created a gargantuan irony. How can you sell class envy and American unfairness when you and your black wife went to Ivy League schools, got high-paying jobs, became millionaires, bought a mansion, and got elected President? How unfair is that??? Now, Like a delicious O'Henry tale, Obama’s spread-the-wealth campaign rendered itself moot by it's own victory! America is officially a meritocracy. Obama’s election has validated American conservatism!

So, listen carefully…Wham!!!

That’s the sound of my foot kicking the door shut on the era of white guilt. The rites have been muttered, the carcass lowered, dirt shoveled, and tombstone erected. White guilt is dead and buried.

However, despite my glee, there’s apparently one small, rabid bastion of American racism remaining. Black Americans voted 96% for Barak Obama. Hmmm. In a color-blind world, shouldn’t that be 50-50? Tonight, every black person should ask forgiveness for their apparent racism and prejudice towards white people. Maybe it’s time to start spreading the guilt around.

Tom Adkins is the publisher of CommonConservative.com

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 20:18:44 (ZULU)

InSain,

Congrats on the new job, and congrats on the old job as well. RCSD, that's my old stompin grounds..

Hope your coon ass is ready for winter, oooweee it get cold and nasty up in dem parts. Bring plenty of boudain, you'll be allright. Take care mate, might have to look you up next time up in SoDak.

later

JR
Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 22:43:32 (ZULU)

Got my hands on the DMPS 204 AR varmint rifle today. Seems built well enough but the trigger was sub-par. It was for sale at Sportsman's Warehouse for about a G.

I may save for the Baer or if I go with the DPMS I'll look to get a nicer trigger put in it.

LTChip
Helena, MT, - Wednesday, November 19, 2008, at 04:19:54 (ZULU)

LTChip: Get a JP trigger. The adjustment range handles the variences between receiver pin placements...and allows a choice in retaining the mass of the original hammer, or going lite with a replacement (ammo choice dictates). I like 'em. But anything is better than a drop in AR trigger made to spec. On my A1 group overseas, I had it polished. Heavy, but noticeably smoother. You could always buy a bone stock ruger 10/22 too----shoot it before hand, and the AR trigger will seem like a gem:))

Joe M
Wednesday, November 19, 2008, at 12:23:32 (ZULU)

I thought you guys might like a short fairy tale this fine morning. Forgive me if you've already heard it---

Once upon a time a man asked a woman to marry him and she said no.

He spent the rest of his days shooting, hunting, fishing, and drinking beer whenever he wanted.

THE END

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Wednesday, November 19, 2008, at 18:00:55 (ZULU)

Have you guys heard about the cash back deal from Microsoft? If you use their new search engine to go to an Ebay store they'll give you 25-30 percent cash back. I thought it was too good to be true until I did it and got 156 dollars back from buying an Aimpoint.

I went to this site

http://www.live.com/?form=MYCA00&kwid=bf8dc084c13311564523d8cbf50dc0d5y

and did a search for "Aimpoint CompM4". The first thing that came up was an Ebay listing. I clicked on that and several Aimpoint products came up. I found the cheapest M4 for $624 and clicked on the "buy it now" and my credit for $156 showed up right there.

The catch is you don't get the money for something like 90 days.

You also have to have accounts with both Ebay and Pay Pal. I know they are anti gun companies but I don't mind using them this one time to get free money back. My new M4 only cost me 468 bucks.

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Wednesday, November 19, 2008, at 20:30:11 (ZULU)

InSain - Well, on your way through Denver, you'll have to stop by. Or... I'll shoot out your tires, then you'll have to stop... :8-) BTW, I just made a significant investment in your new pharmacy... probably paid for your signing bonus. And I got some good meds!

Bravo - The intensity/wavelength of 'white' LEDs is heavily shifted to the blue/ultraviolet (based on some work I did several years ago. Things may have changed.). For an IR light, you're better off with LEDs/lasers designed for those wavelengths. Remember: you can't have too much gear. The problem is finding it once you've got it.... :8-\

CDC' - yeah, Bravo is something. So far, he's cost me a carbine, lots of ammo, training course(s), AR-15 magazines (HK and C-Products), boots, and now some nuclear flashlights.

Bravo, dude, look into your crystal ball so I can BUDGET for this stuff!!

Duman
Wednesday, November 19, 2008, at 20:37:29 (ZULU)

Duman, you're 100%. Getting light out of a visible light LED for NVDs isn't gonna work. The GLO-TOOB I referenced though, that works with NVDs WELL. Doesn't work in the visible spectrum though. They make two models, with different wavelengths. I called up the GLO-TOOB guy and asked - thought I knew the answer but wanted to KNOW that I knew the answer. He didn't help. So I called the guy that fixed my NVDs, and he set me straight.

But good luck on budgeting stuff! I'm over right now, and haven't stuck to my budget too well either. Seems a buddy in Iraq wanted some HK mags. As I was ordering, the price went up 100 bucks (GRIN) - talk about good timing! So now he's got 100 rifle mags coming in, and my next big shipment of food storage containers / O2 absorbers / desiccant gets put on hold until January :-(

On the good side, the vests are supposed to be delivered today.

I called Fenix too - with mixed results. I asked which model came with a forward tactical clicky, took 18650 batteries, was 1 mode, and had double o-rings throughout. Those were my "bare bones" requirements. The answer was "none of them". The closest was the TK11. Double o-rings in the front, but single in the rear (he says it's still very watertight though), and has a 2-modes that switch by twisting the head. That's not egregious - I won't have a light that goes from bright to dim by repeatedly clicking the switch - so maybe this would be just fine. An option I just don't use. I might give it a try, although I'm not too keen on the low and high beam thing, nor the run times.

Just remember, I haven't cost you anything near what the Kittywhacker has cost me LOL! I can't afford to call him too often, things get too pricey (GRIN)

Bravo
Wednesday, November 19, 2008, at 21:26:48 (ZULU)

Brian,

Good luck to you in your new career. Expecting great things from BHs.

Jerry
Annapolis, MD, USA - Wednesday, November 19, 2008, at 21:36:13 (ZULU)

MarcS, let us know when you have cash in hand, 90 days NET is bullshit. They go Chap 11 within 90days, guess who just got bent over with no lube (points at you)

I use a SF IR light, it's about 4 years old but works fine. Actually too much light for clearing buildings, washes out details. A little IR admin light is plenty for indoors, at least with UGSI PVS-14's. S/F....Ken M

Ken M
Wednesday, November 19, 2008, at 22:13:58 (ZULU)

Ken that's true. I figured I want it anyway so I'll try it. Lot's of other guys have been doing it and I'm expecting it to work. We'll see. Worst case is I got a good deal on an Aimpoint M4... and gave up all sorts of personal information through registering with 1)Microsoft, 2)PayPal, and 3) Ebay. They're all good old fashioned gun owner loving companies right LOL.

Right now I'm more worried about having made a mistake with the model I selected. I got the 1X (what I want) with a 2MOA dot. I'm hoping that dot isn't too small for close, quick, and/or moving targets. I'm looking for this to be a 300 to maybe 400 yards max weapon. Maybe I should have gotten the 4MOA dot. I'm a bolt gun guy and this is my first AR as a civilian. I don't know shit about them or how to set them up. I figure sometimes you have to learn it on you're own instead of asking questions all over the place.

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 05:25:02 (ZULU)

scope question.

Leupold's new mark2 line seems like it would fit my needs of blasting paper and metal gongs out to 700 yards or so, with some varmint shooting thrown in occasionally. Will go on my remmy 5R. Anyone have any experience with these yet? Is quality on par with vx-ii or vx-iii? I like the 1/2 moa clicks. Reviews were hard to come by...also, never had a fine duplex before, but I often find myself thinking that the regular duplex seems to cover up too much of the target at longer ranges, so a finer duplex seems like a natural progression. Any cons against the fine duplex. This won't be a deer rifle or anything.

john bechtell
weather finally getting decent, AZ, - Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 05:39:27 (ZULU)

Guys,

At work the other day, I was sighting in a guy's AR with a spankin' new Aimpoint on it. The dot seemed to be more of a "spark" wit one end pointed at 2 o'clock, and the other at 7 o'clock. Is there any way to focus it, so it's a round dot?

Also, WTF is up with the stupid ass diagonal adjustments for windage and elevation? Total PITA! One turret says, "Up/Left", the other, "Up/Right". Does this shit make sense to anyone?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 07:28:30 (ZULU)

john bechtell on leupold:

I have a Leupold 12x (40mm objective) with fine duplex. I shoot F-class at 300 to 800m as well as 100m practice with it. Sight picture is just fine in either full sunlight or heavy overcast. Can't comment on Mark2.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 09:52:55 (ZULU)

Marc, it's illuminated, turn the power up if you're not picking it up fast enough. IME, 2MOA or 4MOA difference is trivial compared to YOUR ability to shoot either. Practice more often, dry fire, manipulate the rifle, etc.

Travis, are you kidding me? You're just being a smart ass right? The adjustments are the same as any other scope, you can simply rotate it to have the power knob on the right or left side. The knobs are simply marked for either orientation on the X and Y axis. There is no diagonal adjustment.

What sized dot do you have? Are you using the 3x magnifier? Looking at my M2, I suppose I can percieve a squareness to the dot but only if I massively over-concentrate on it. It's point of aim, point of impact, put the blob centermass and squeeze. I've seen Army dogs (smile) hit man sized sils at 500yds with an M4 and a M68 CCO(Aimpoint M2) while laying in the mud along a canal in the winter in Iraq, so the hardware should be GTG. S/F....Ken M

Ken M
Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 09:58:13 (ZULU)

Ken M: Thanks for my morning chuckle.

Travis: We all come here to learn something....mostly. There are no dumb questions. Well....so goes the theory and perhaps...the exception proveth the rule? Heheh. Thanks for part one of my morning chuckle:)) Think of the aimpoint as having either turret top dead center, placing the other turret interchangeably either of top, or left side (as look sight down the rifle), or the right side. Handy switch over...for lefties perhaps? I dunno why any one would want to roll one 90 degrees...I'm just guessing about lefty-isms...but, you have that option. Now, I have seen diagonal adjustments in Iraq: Kids with the turrets mounted 10 and 2. I always took time to seek out the chain of command when I saw this. This occured both times in Iraq...and Afghanistan. Active and gaurd alike. Just effin' wow...

Now, I'd like to talk horses with you (and/ or anyone else) about selling/ market conditions and lotsa tack going out the door. I know what they cost...not what they may or may not be worth.

email me numbers, or I'll email you same...

Still trying to find a load for the FN PBR XD; I think it can do better than the BHs 168s that grouped laterally in a 20 kt full value at exactly 1 MOA. Vertical spread (probably meaningful) was only about 3/8ths:)) I bet this one will like the 150 SST lite mag hornady stuff just like its baby brother the howa:)) I'll know later on this day.

As is usual, I have a basement full of rifles and scopes to mount, clean or tinker on...and a parade of various wannabee hunters stop by my range to "check zero".

One cousin, and his bro in law looked at the 500 yard gong and laughed. Nobody can hit that. Not if you call a zero a hit on paper, any part, at 100 I suppose. So I off handed that PBR and hit it. They called it luck (as did I in that wind). But I bipoded up and shot three more (empty mag). Thwack thwack thwack.

Uh...can you teach that?

"Yes...but not with yer 7600 and tasco specials, dude. I can teach how to zero though, and shorter range targeting...if yer interested."

"Uh...we only had those 4 rounds....but we're going to buy some new ones today, maybe the winchester that's on sale"

"Right...never mind."

I used to think I "needed" that 4 MOA dot to pick it up faster...in bright sun...ya know. But Ken's point that the drill of shouldering the weapon same-same thru practice is valid. There's your dot, same place everytime.

If the dot smudges, turn it down some or clean your lenses:)

I'm still playing with the eotech...though it leaves me wanting a better unit. Aimpoint sits on my shotgun. Both work well for the purposes they are asked to do.

The only caveat: Get a new mount if using the "issue" CCO/ M2. The aimpoint aluminum claptrap is crap:))

Army Dogs? I suppose you have more colorful descriptions at your disposal! I had a conversation at a VFW...about a scene, my crew, and a bunch of "regulars." There were times to wonder just who the enemy was...

Joe M
Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 13:31:20 (ZULU)

Rod,

Thanks for the "fine" advice!

john bechtell
az, - Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 13:44:33 (ZULU)

Joe M: Yesterday my hunting buddy finally said "Uh...can you teach that?" He said that he will listen carefully and do the work.

So I am going to take his Model 70 FW .280 for a few days, junk the Bushnell Banner, spend a couple of bucks for Devcon, torque, tweak and work up a load. Then we'll do some lessons.

CDC'
Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 14:50:28 (ZULU)

MarcS...

>"Once upon a time a man asked a woman to marry him and she said no.

He spent the rest of his days shooting, hunting, fishing, and drinking beer whenever he wanted.

THE END"<

My first out loud laugh of the day.

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 16:02:47 (ZULU)

Joe on "hunter sightin":

My local club ran a 100M hunter sight-in event at a local range for several years each fall as a funds raiser / community service.

I got one of the safe jobs - working in the target butts. I probably don't have the patience or courage to work the firing line given the experience and attitude of some of those who show up.

All sorts of stories about the folks that showed up. Fellows with mixed ammunition types (incl big spread in different weight projectiles) hoping to get a zero. Others who thought the distance looked like 200M :-). Most of the non-dedicated types finished once they had gotten a signgle round near the middle of the bullseye. The other neat patterns came from the fellows with old military surplus rifles with shot-out bores. (Likely that way when purchased - I doubt most of those fellows fired more than 7 rounds a year). You could tell when some of the club members paid to use the opportunity - they would be shooting groups and/or blowing away the spotting disc :-)

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 16:50:46 (ZULU)

CDC said "He said that he will listen carefully and do the work." Congrats my friend, you've found the one tenth of one percent. If he does what he said. Enjoy, and build a Rifleman! From my experiences, virtually all are like what Joe described.

What Ken and Joe have already said about the dot intensity - 100%. On Aimpoint mounts, I recommend LaRue. Of course, the reason I recommend LaRue is 'cause it's been really good for me - and the reason I went with LaRue in the first place was 'cause Master Rick said "go with LaRue". Nuff said.

On the 2MOA dot, that's exactly what I have been running - the M3 (1X) with 2 MOA dot. What I've found - and this is all based on my screwed up eyeballs (YMMV) - is that I can't keep all the hits on a siloughette at 400 when using the 4 MOA dot. Especially when the dot is at the higher intensity settings like during summertime mid-day here in the desert. Close-in speed with the 4 MOA dot was FAST-FAST though. So I tried the 2 MOA dot, and can hit easily at 400 - enough that scoring high into the expert range on the 400 yard course is / was cake. While I haven't tried running it at 500, I feel quite confident that I could put the dot on top of the head and sqeeze - the groups at 400 say it should be fine unless I screw a wind call. My reason for not doing so is that if I feel the need for 500 yards, I'll pick a 7.62 NATO thankyouverymuch. For speed, against a timer, there's no difference FOR ME between the 2 MOA dot and the 4 MOA dot up close. I tried the 1 MOA dot of the EoTech, and for me the EoTech is slower - and I admit this applies to JUST ME. More precise, but slower. So it literally is - in my opinion - something you should pick based on how your eyes work.

FWIW

Bravo
Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 17:20:15 (ZULU)

'Lito- I thought you and Joe might get a kick out of that considering recent events.

Joe & Bravo- That's some bad news on the mount. One of the main reasons I went with the more expensive M4 over the M3 was because the mount is included. So I paid more, now I have to pay more, again, for a different mount. Cool.

Ken- I'll definately practice with this carbine. Alot. I'm planning on taking an M4 class next summer from a group called T.F.T.T. They are all current/former operators and I hear they are a very good group to train with. This former Army dog might learn a few things HA!. Here's a link to their instructor bio page from their site. You might know some of them.

http://www.tftt.com/TFTT_Instructors.htm

Travis- 45 degree dials! That was fucking hilarious dude! No offense man I do my part to supply humor that way sometimes too :)

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 17:55:49 (ZULU)

Joe, I say Army dogs with a smile.

When I'm taking guys out with me hunting savages with two other dudes 20+ minutes from nearest possible help, I need to know they're not gonna get me killed doing something dumb. Plenty of chances to get killed anyways doing everything smart. I was satisfied, even impressed a few times. Unfortunately, his command failed him by not letting him continue the work we had started. The interservice thing is just fighting among brothers, competition drives everybody forward.

Larue mounts are the way to go, pretty much regardless of application. I have never found the need to go beyond the M2 Aimpoint, but I think the micro version has merit, especially as a backup on a SPR mounted forward on the forend rail on a 45degree mounting. Roll the gun to 10 and 2 and engage CQB using the aimpoint. Something I intend to play with when I get some free scratch. S/F....Ken M

Ken M
Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 20:25:54 (ZULU)

Guys,

No joke. I finally got back to work, and am an RO at a shooting range, so I'm getting to learn about AR's whether I like 'em or not. Consequently, I also get to work with the silly stuff people hang on 'em. One of the kids that's been working there a while is into these kinda guns, and he was having issues with it, too.

When I post dumbass questions, it's because I want the whole load of answers. People don't omit parts of the answer if you don't bullshit them into thinking you know something.

Joe,

Left you a message on your answering machine. Not much

I can do from here, but I have a coupla ideas that might pay better, long term.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 21:29:35 (ZULU)

Brian,

Congrats on the new job!!!Jeff is a nice guy and a hell of a shooter. If I get out to RC this summer I will try to make time to stop in and say "Hi". I don't know if you get to travel around much but if you get down to Pierre bring your rifle an we will go shooting then toss back a couple of cold ones.

Pat
Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 21:54:40 (ZULU)

Reloading info requested:

Any of you using a crimp die in stage four of a progressive press, for 223 reloading? If so, what flavor (taper/roll) crimp, brand, etc..

My Forster dies do a nice job of seating and lightly crimping. However, I've found some of these need a healthy crimp, getting slammed around in the AR-15, and I'm interested in what you guys do to get a good bite into the cannelure.

Thanks in advance.

Duman
Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 23:51:11 (ZULU)

A guy was driving around the back woods of Tennessee and he saw a sign in front of a broken down shanty-style house: 'Talking Dog for Sale '.

He rings the bell and the owner appears and tells him the dog is in the backyard. The guy goes into the back yard and sees a nice looking Beagle sitting there.

'You talk?' he asks.

'Yep,' the Beagle replies.

After the guy recovers from the shock of hearing a dog talk, he says 'So, what's your story?'

The Beagle looks up and says, 'Well, I discovered that I could talk when I was pretty young. I wanted to help the government, so I told the CIA and they had me sworn into the toughest branch of the armed services...the United States Marines. You know one of their nicknames is 'The Devil Dogs.'

'In no time at all they had me jetting from country to country, sitting in rooms with spies and world leaders; because no one figured a dog would be eavesdropping. I was one of their most valuable spies for eight years running, but the jetting around really tired me out, and I knew I wasn't getting any younger. So, I decided to settle down.'

'I retired from the Corps (8 dog years is 56 Corps years) and signed up for a job at the airport to do some undercover security, wandering near suspicious characters and listening in. I uncovered some incredible dealings and was awarded a batch of medals. I got married, had a mess of puppies, and now I'm just retired.'

The guy is amazed He goes back in and asks the owner what he wants for the dog.

'Ten dollars,' the guy says.

'Ten dollars? This dog is amazing! Why on earth are you selling him so cheap?'

'Because he's such a bullshitter ... He never did any of that shit. He was in the Navy!'

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Usa - Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 23:55:55 (ZULU)

Duman Sir,

Use a Lee factory crimp die in a secondary operation in a single stage press... collet type crimp dies are the best thing for crimping bottle neck cartridges. Just use the extra step as another QC check on your finished ammo..

Hope this helps some

Calvin

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Friday, November 21, 2008, at 00:19:16 (ZULU)

Duman...

I use Redding crimp die in my progressive Dillons for 223 and 308.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, Da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, November 21, 2008, at 00:28:45 (ZULU)

Duman:

.223 Rem for semi-auto - I'm using the Lee Factory Crimp die in last station of a Lee Loadmaster.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, November 21, 2008, at 01:59:09 (ZULU)

BKS: Congrats. You'll love SoDak.

Pat II
Friday, November 21, 2008, at 03:01:03 (ZULU)

http://oldbluejacket.com/CarlosHathcock.htm

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Usa - Friday, November 21, 2008, at 12:06:23 (ZULU)

Crimp dies on order. Thanks guys.

InSain - SoDak had ~46" of global warming a few weeks back. Trade in your life jacket for a snow blower.

Duman
Friday, November 21, 2008, at 16:22:26 (ZULU)

Test message

Keith
WV, - Friday, November 21, 2008, at 17:11:34 (ZULU)

Travis,

I noticed the same thing with my Aimpoint (have the M4 on my AR flattop). I found out that with dot scopes, if your eyes have astigmatism you'll notice the dot will not be perfectly round, hence the "points". Put on your glasses, the dot is nice and round.

Brian - Good luck on the new job. Let me make a suggestion on SoDak fashion - Thermal Underwear. My wife is from just next door in Minnesota and we've been out there in the winter to visit her family. It takes a little getting use to: plugging your car in at night so that your oil doesn't turn into the consistency of chewing gum; keeping a survival kit in the car so you don't freeze to death if you slide off the ice covered road. Other than that, you should love it.

Nick Anzano
Friday, November 21, 2008, at 17:52:07 (ZULU)

For them that needs one.

Dick's Sportin goods has Remington 870 Express shotguns on sale

for $269.95 with a $30.oo Rebate from Remington.

Regards,

Joisey Steve

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Usa - Friday, November 21, 2008, at 20:01:33 (ZULU)

re: cold climate (SoDak and others)

Comedian pointed out a retrospectively obvious hazard in sub-freezing conditions:

Don't wash your car when it's cold outside.

(The water residue will freeze all the doors shut!).

Cabelas sells all kinds of nice cold-weather outdoor gear, including various weights of thermal underwear for men and women.

I like GoreTex Thinsulate for outerware.

http://www.cabelas.com

They also have free shipping on orders over $99 (in CONUS) until 02-Dec.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, November 22, 2008, at 00:20:09 (ZULU)

Deer Hunters:Good Luck,Stay Safe.

Happy Huntin

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Saturday, November 22, 2008, at 10:28:05 (ZULU)

Brian: Welcome to the club! The day you walk out of the department for the last time, you'll feel that hundred-pound sack of rocks fall off your shoulders. There are days that I'm running a convoy in ball-tightening streets, or sitting in an armored truck in 100+ heat, eating shit for chow and sleeping in my kennel, and I thank God above that I'm in a decent job now. Don't get me wrong, what we did (and you're doing) was an honorable, necessary thing for the good of our communities and society. Now, it's our turn. Go forth and have a ball. Boudicca and I are planning on going up to Montana in the not too distant future on a recce....I'll hollar at you on the bounce. Congrats!

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Saturday, November 22, 2008, at 14:18:00 (ZULU)

Thanks for the well wishes friends.

Taking notes.

brian k. sain
Saturday, November 22, 2008, at 16:05:00 (ZULU)

Is it wrong to lust after another man's Winchester 70 LW .280 Rem?

He doesn't really know it. He doesn't appreciate it. He doesn't truly love it.

CDC'
Sunday, November 23, 2008, at 09:15:26 (ZULU)

CDC

I've always wanted to play with that caliber, and i don't know why.

There's just something about it that stays in the back of my mind.

One of these days i'll find me a Mod. 70 in that cal. and have at it.

Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Sunday, November 23, 2008, at 11:30:14 (ZULU)

"..He doesn't really know it. He doesn't appreciate it. He doesn't truly love it...."

CDC: go4it -- make him an offer. The buyer's remorse won't last long. :))

Lots of Christmas shopping going on at the Nation's guns show this weekend @ Chantilly VA. Loooong line wrapping around the building when they opened the doors friday afternoon.

Take care,

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Sunday, November 23, 2008, at 12:56:49 (ZULU)

the technology race continues:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/3496790/Soldiers-in-Iraq-and-Afghanistan-to-get-life-saving-anti-sniper-device.html

Soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan to get life saving anti-sniper device

British and American forces fighting the guerilla insurgence in Iraq and Afghanistan could soon be protected by an anti-sniper device that can pinpoint the position of the shooter within a fraction of a second.

By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent

Last Updated: 7:58PM GMT 21 Nov 2008

The palm-sized device designed by Qinetiq, the British defence firm that was once the government research laboratories, is pinned to the uniform and uses acoustic technology to calculate the exact position of the rifle fire.

Then a electronic voice passes on the "bearing and range" to the soldier allowing him to jump to safety and return fire.

The machine has already been purchased by the Americans for deployment in the New Year and the British are looking at a vehicle mounted version.

After roadside bombs, snipers have been the biggest cause of the 301 British fatalities in both wars, and army chiefs are convinced the device could save dozens of lives.

"It is all about saving guys' lives," said Don Steinman, one of the leaders of the project at Qinetiq North America who developed the device called EARS for Early Attack Reaction System.

"Knowing immediately where the shots come from means that it eliminates the confusion and allows soldiers to find cover and return fire.

"It helps to make combat scenarios, especially in urban areas, a lot less confusing. Everybody immediately knows what side of the vehicle or building to jump behind when taking fire."

The device, which costs around £2,500, works by isolating the crack of the sniper rifle thanks to four microphones, a GPS system and a powerful microprocessor.

It takes less than a tenth of a second and provides the results in audio and visual formats. It can even send a grid reference via radio to supporting artillery and aircraft.

The system, which weighs less than 6oz, is so sensitive it can tell the difference between outgoing friendly fire and incoming enemy fire and can distinguish a sniper even in a gun battle.

It also works when the soldier is travelling at up to 50 mph on a vehicle.

The device has already been road tested in Iraq and Afghanistan to claims of great success.

"The soldiers gave us feedback and we acted on it," said Mr Steinman. "The result is a powerful, rugged, and lightweight gunshot localization system that helps the individual warfighter rapidly respond to dangerous situations."

Although the range and accuracy of the device is kept secret for operational reasons Mr Steinman said they were well beyond the capabilities of a sniper.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, November 23, 2008, at 15:18:44 (ZULU)

I thought one of the commandments read, "Thou shall covet all firearms, great and small."

Duman
Sunday, November 23, 2008, at 15:20:19 (ZULU)

Greetings,

There is a Cabela's outlet in Rapid City.

Charles S: Glad you made a commo check. How is life downrange? Stay safe.

Pat II
Sunday, November 23, 2008, at 16:05:03 (ZULU)

Pat II: Glad to be back in CONUS for a few weeks. Just got back from Costa Rica, took Boudicca down for a week on the beach and unlimited Margaritas. Ooooh, it was sweet. Green. Wet. Took two days just to stop ogling everything.

I don't post much when I'm in-country, as the internet access is monitorable by the company's techie. And they get all sorts of upset if you say anything, at all, about the company or what is going on. The last couple of months have been quite interesting, and I'm betting that they'll be even more interesting, come spring. We're gearing up and training for more activity directed against the Embassy, as well as ISAF and U.S. military targets. We'll see.

It's great to be home. When I was younger, I remembered how good this country was whenever I came back. I was on the verge of forgetting that, until I left again. We tend to get immersed in our own little microcosm, and don't see the bigger picture. We still have it better than almost all the world, even with the slugs we elect to office. America is really run by the people, anyway. I've tried to explain some things to the Afghanis that work for me, it's like explaining music to cats. They hear the words, but can't even begin to comprehend. OH, well, it's a living. Ya'll take care.

Brian, congrats again.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Sunday, November 23, 2008, at 17:03:09 (ZULU)

I found this on another web site and it made me feel a lot of pride in our troops. They are the best and it nice to have others praise them.

American troops in Afghanistan through the eyes of a French OMLT infantryman

The US often hears echoes of worldwide hostility against the application of its foreign policy, but seldom are they reached by the voices of those who experience first hand how close we are to the USA. In spite of contextual political differences and conflicting interests that generate friction, we do share the same fundamental values - and when push comes to shove that is what really counts. Through the eyes of that French OMLT (Operational Mentoring Liaison Teams) infantryman you can see how strong the bond is on the ground. In contrast with the Americans, the French soldiers don’t seem to write much online - or maybe the proportion is the same but we just have less people deployed. Whatever the reason, this is a rare and moving testimony which is why I decided to translate it into English, so that American people can catch a glimpse of the way European soldiers see them. Not much high philosophy here, just the first hand impressions of a soldier in contact - but that only makes it more authentic.http://omlt3-kdk3.over-blog.com/article-22935665.html

Here is the original French article, and here is my translation :

“We have shared our daily life with two US units for quite a while - they are the first and fourth companies of a prestigious infantry battalion whose name I will withhold for the sake of military secrecy. To the common man it is a unit just like any other. But we live with them and got to know them, and we henceforth know that we have the honor to live with one of the most renowned units of the US Army - one that the movies brought to the public as series showing “ordinary soldiers thrust into extraordinary events”. Who are they, those soldiers from abroad, how is their daily life, and what support do they bring to the men of our OMLT every day ? Few of them belong to the Easy Company, the one the TV series focuses on. This one nowadays is named Echo Company, and it has become the support company.

They have a terribly strong American accent - from our point of view the language they speak is not even English. How many times did I have to write down what I wanted to say rather than waste precious minutes trying various pronunciations of a seemingly common word? Whatever state they are from, no two accents are alike and they even admit that in some crisis situations they have difficulties understanding each other.

Heavily built, fed at the earliest age with Gatorade, proteins and creatine - they are all heads and shoulders taller than us and their muscles remind us of Rambo. Our frames are amusingly skinny to them - we are wimps, even the strongest of us - and because of that they often mistake us for Afghans.

Here we discover America as it is often depicted : their values are taken to their paroxysm, often amplified by promiscuity lack of privacy and the loneliness of this outpost in the middle of that Afghan valley. Honor, motherland - everything here reminds of that : the American flag floating in the wind above the outpost, just like the one on the post parcels. Even if recruits often originate from the hearth of American cities and gang territory, no one here has any goal other than to hold high and proud the star spangled banner. Each man knows he can count on the support of a whole people who provides them through the mail all that an American could miss in such a remote front-line location : books, chewing gums, razorblades, Gatorade, toothpaste etc. in such way that every man is aware of how much the American people backs him in his difficult mission. And that is a first shock to our preconceptions : the American soldier is no individualist. The team, the group, the combat team are the focus of all his attention.

And they are impressive warriors ! We have not come across bad ones, as strange at it may seem to you when you know how critical French people can be. Even if some of them are a bit on the heavy side, all of them provide us everyday with lessons in infantry know-how. Beyond the wearing of a combat kit that never seem to discomfort them (helmet strap, helmet, combat goggles, rifles etc.) the long hours of watch at the outpost never seem to annoy them in the slightest. On the one square meter wooden tower above the perimeter wall they stand the five consecutive hours in full battle rattle and night vision goggles on top, their sight unmoving in the directions of likely danger. No distractions, no pauses, they are like statues nights and days. At night, all movements are performed in the dark - only a handful of subdued red lights indicate the occasional presence of a soldier on the move. Same with the vehicles whose lights are covered - everything happens in pitch dark even filling the fuel tanks with the Japy pump.

And combat ? If you have seen Rambo you have seen it all - always coming to the rescue when one of our teams gets in trouble, and always in the shortest delay. That is one of their tricks : they switch from T-shirt and sandals to combat ready in three minutes. Arriving in contact with the ennemy, the way they fight is simple and disconcerting : they just charge ! They disembark and assault in stride, they bomb first and ask questions later - which cuts any pussyfooting short.

We seldom hear any harsh word, and from 5 AM onwards the camp chores are performed in beautiful order and always with excellent spirit. A passing American helicopter stops near a stranded vehicle just to check that everything is alright; an American combat team will rush to support ours before even knowing how dangerous the mission is - from what we have been given to witness, the American soldier is a beautiful and worthy heir to those who liberated France and Europe.

To those who bestow us with the honor of sharing their combat outposts and who everyday give proof of their military excellence, to those who pay the daily tribute of America’s army’s deployment on Afghan soil, to those we owned this article, ourselves hoping that we will always remain worthy of them and to always continue hearing them say that we are all the same band of brothers”.

HDR
OK, - Tuesday, November 25, 2008, at 02:23:27 (ZULU)

extract from a larger story:

http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=402707

Marine Makes Insurgents Pay the Price

FARAH PROVINCE, Afghanistan — In the city of Shewan, approximately 250 insurgents ambushed 30 Marines and paid a heavy price for it.

"...During the battle, the designated marksman single handedly thwarted a company-sized enemy RPG and machinegun ambush by reportedly killing 20 enemy fighters with his devastatingly accurate precision fire."

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, November 25, 2008, at 04:55:21 (ZULU)

Do any of you gentlemen know anything about working up loads for rifles equipped with the BOSS? That is one of the few things not to like about this .280.

CDC'
Tuesday, November 25, 2008, at 05:33:06 (ZULU)

CDC,

I've played with a .30-06 BOSS equipped A-Bolt and was amazed at the difference that thing can make in group size. I can't find any info on Winchester "Sweet Spots". You may have to give them a call if you don't already have them. Browning lists the following for their .280 rifles: 140 gr. Federal is 4, 150 gr. Federal is 2.5, and 165 gr. Remington is 6. Click on my name for an article that may be of help or go here: http://www.hwsportsman.net/Greywolf1.html

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, November 25, 2008, at 13:43:41 (ZULU)

Sain-congratulations. Seems like half the folks I know get cushy jobs with ammo companies. Someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong!

BTW- misplaced the name and addy on that riflesmith in Ruther Glen, VA. Do you still have it?

JoeM-incoming.

Sighting in days.............I have memories of being rangemaster at the club when we'd let anybody in to sight in before deer season. There were some I made a point of finding out where they were going-so I wouldn't be in that county. There are some I clearly recall after almost 40 years, including the guy who emptied his '94 at a refrigerator carton at 50 yards, got several hits and was satisfied with his "group".

WR Moore
Tuesday, November 25, 2008, at 16:46:47 (ZULU)

CDC',

A friend of mine has an A-Bolt with the BOSS. He chose a load, bullet, velocity, and tuned the BOSS until it grouped well. It seemed to work pretty well.

YMMV.

Duman
Tuesday, November 25, 2008, at 18:54:48 (ZULU)

CDC,

If you don't like the muzzle brake feature of the BOSS you can buy a CR(conventional recoil)replacement. Once you get things tuned, just screw off the brake and screw on the CR attachment.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, November 25, 2008, at 20:26:50 (ZULU)

(forwarded from TheHighRoad)

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=408890

Lon Horiuchi A Spokesperson For HS Precision ?

________________________________________

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2138289/posts

In an apparent attempt at financial suicide it appears the H.S. precision firearms has loaded their new catalog with testimonials and an endorsement by none other than the infamous Lon Horiuchi. Horiuchi, for those who don’t remember is the FBI sniper credited with killing Vicki Weaver while she held her youngest child in her arms at Ruby Ridge. It is also rumored that Horiuchi was the person who fired the first shot at WACO and was responsible for killing several unarmed Branch Davidians who were blinded by smoke and CS gas and trying to surrender.

It appears that this company is about to get Dixie Chicked

You may contact them here

1301 TURBINE DRIVE,

RAPID CITY, SD 57703

(605) 341-3006 TEL

(605) 342-8964 FAX

http://www.zpub.com/notes/fbi-shame.html

Lon Horiuchi - FBI sniper at Ruby Ridge. Aug. 22 1992, Horiuchi fired a shot at a man ducking into the cabin. The shot killed Vicki Weaver as she stood inside the cabin behind the door, holding her infant daughter, Elisheba. The killing occurred on the second day of an 11 day standoff that began with a shoot out that killed the Weavers son Samuel, 14 and U.S. Deputy Marshal Willam Degan. The federal government, though, is leaping to Horiuchi’s defense, because he was obeying an order. But the Nuremberg and My Lai prosecutions have established that "I vas just following orders" is no excuse for killing innocent people. The license-to-kill orders were so outrageous that other FBI snipers at the scene -- for example, the SWAT team from Denver -- agreed among themselves that the license-to-kill order should not be obeyed. The Denver agents chose to disobey the unconstitutional order, and instead to stick with the traditional rules of engagement. Besides choosing to obey an illegal assassination order, Horiuchi lied under oath at Randy Weaver’s trial. Horiuchi claimed that he opened fire on Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris because the two men were threatening to shoot an FBI helicopter. But the trial judge found this testimony so blatantly false that he ordered the charges related to the testimony to be dismissed. (The helicopter was nowhere near where Weaver or Harris could have shot at it.) [The Ruby Ridge Prosecutions] Yesterday, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported that FBI agent Charles Riley said all the way back in June 1993 that he heard shots fired from a sniper post occupied by agent Lon Horiuchi - The FBI's favorite hitman The head of one of the Midwest's largest taxpayer groups today named F.B.I. sniper Lon Horiuchi "Tax Villain of the Month" for crimes against U.S. citizens committed while collecting a salary paid by U.S. taxpayers. - Taxpayers Name F.B.I. Assassin Lon Horiuchi Tax Villain of the Month "put his name and face on every milk cartoon in the state along with his accomplices in the FBI, ATF, and Delta Force. - Wanted: Lon Horiuchi - Killer Horiuchi allegedly shot several Davidians as the attempted to flee their burning church.- Faces of Evil The FBI sniper who killed the wife of Randy Weaver is declared Immune from state prosecution, the federal appeals court ruled Wednesday. This ruling has the same effect as granting a license to kill with impunity to any government agency. In 1992 an FBI employee hired a killer by the name of Lon Horiuchi, who shot Vicki Weaver in the head with his 308 caliber high-powered telescoped equipped sniper rifle from 200 yards, while she held her nursing baby in her arms, killing her instantly.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, November 26, 2008, at 12:15:23 (ZULU)

Yep,

I heard about the Horiuchi appointment on ARFCOM. Disgusting.

Rich S
MD, - Wednesday, November 26, 2008, at 12:53:55 (ZULU)

H-S precison's email is:

info@hsprecision.com

Feel free to drop them a note. I will.

Lindy
Rockport, Texas, - Wednesday, November 26, 2008, at 13:11:12 (ZULU)

My HS stuff is already paid for so throwing it away won't do any good. It will be a cold Goddamned day before they see another nickle of mine.

Does Horiuchi's deal involve personal appearances, because I'd be up for a "meet and greet".

CDC'
Wednesday, November 26, 2008, at 14:30:20 (ZULU)

Hey Guys,

Very disturbing news if HS Precision is that stupid to use that guy for an endorsement.. I just cruised their sight and could not find any info so I ordered a catalog to see if this info is true. Why order a catalog you may ask ? Advertising costs money. Plus it logs you in as a potential customer and makes them sit up and take notice when you bitch. Otherwise your just another someone out in the either typing at them...

Fight smart

Calvin

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Wednesday, November 26, 2008, at 17:49:57 (ZULU)

For the last few months, the divorce has been cordial to hostile, with resolution coming after a few fits and starts. Now, it has become open warfare with two fronts emerging against me. The in-laws just jumped in with an eviction action. I plan to counter-suit with 80K in direct losses against. Also, a stay in evictions' prosceedings until such court is met. Fuggers. I knew it was hanging by a thread over my head all along...I just didn't want it to drop any more than Damocles did:)) Now, a separate fight is tied to my original fight. Hitler may have been so foolish...but not me; I just have to fight the war I got though--not the one I wanted.

Its an illegal hand off...they bump me, and revert it to her along with all our equity after the divorce. That angle will look all the world bad for them, once the facts are on the table. I wonder if they know I will fight??? Or how hard I will fight? The residence is key to a lot in this mess.

My bottom line: i will go away quietly with my girls...or go down trying for the same. How we get there remains to be seen.

Joe M
Wednesday, November 26, 2008, at 19:06:28 (ZULU)

Joe,

You're entrenched inside their border, and have more right to their grandchildren than they do. Don't give a fucking INCH!!! Prayin' for ya, bud.

Gimme a holler if you still wanted ideas on the horses, etc.. I think I've come up with some that'll work well in your region.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, November 26, 2008, at 20:58:11 (ZULU)

Horiuchi??

>"Does Horiuchi's deal involve personal appearances, because I'd be up for a "meet and greet"."<

There are still open arrest warrants for the bastard in Idaho.

Joe M...

Drop me a line if you need some support - I got's lots for a brother.

I'm setting up my ex for a felony and I'm praying that it works.

I need her to roll over on the other BGs.

This shit doo get old!!! It's going on 5 years this coming March.

I could use a little 'tang and a few DDR&LJs

:((

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, November 27, 2008, at 00:40:05 (ZULU)

I'm rootin' for ya, Bud. Don't let it get ya down... Hand tough!

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Thursday, November 27, 2008, at 02:19:56 (ZULU)

Thanks for the help on the BOSS. Though we learned different things, my fine young son and I ended up learning a bunch.

Now then; Do any of you have an old, beat up Ruger 77 SA stock you had almost forgotten about that you would be willing to sell cheap? My beater/loaner/rattle-around-in-the-back-of-the-truck .223 is going to spend the next few months as a rug-rat bipod-prone trainer. If we get a wood stock to butcher and defile into kid dimensions, the beater .223 will serve the purpose.

CDC'
Thursday, November 27, 2008, at 06:37:57 (ZULU)

Just a quickie to wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving,and may the Great Spirit keep you safe.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Thursday, November 27, 2008, at 06:39:44 (ZULU)

Joe

If heading your way sooner is better let ne know.

Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Thursday, November 27, 2008, at 10:38:00 (ZULU)

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

God Bless & keep safe our guys & gals in the various services !

Joisey Steve

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Usa - Thursday, November 27, 2008, at 12:54:18 (ZULU)

Hey gents, Just thought I would take the time to come out of the background and say Hi, Happy Thanksgiving.

Morgue

Mourge
Thursday, November 27, 2008, at 16:53:36 (ZULU)

Yo all,

Thank you for your service, and for keeping us Free.

At the same time, watch out, be ever vigilant, as to what is happening in India, and Thailand, and hopefully it stops there. I fear not, though.

God Bless, and Stay Safe!

Sean T.
Winnipeg, Mb., Canada - Thursday, November 27, 2008, at 17:07:33 (ZULU)

Happy Thanksgiving

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Thursday, November 27, 2008, at 17:19:48 (ZULU)

Happy Thanksgiving Hawgs, and a special thanks to those putting their asses on the line to keep us safe.

The Bolster clan, out!

Bolt
NC, - Thursday, November 27, 2008, at 18:01:56 (ZULU)

CDC- The stock you're looking for has been sitting in my local gunshop for years. I haven't been there in several months so I don't know if it's still around. I'll start calling them tomorrow and check for you.

I hope you all have a wonderful Thanksgiving day that has none of the family drama mine is starting with. The best part of Thanksgiving is the day after when you eat all of the leftovers without the goddamned inlaws around. This was a nice little 15 minute escape though. Now back to it...

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Thursday, November 27, 2008, at 21:54:28 (ZULU)

Happy Thanksgiving guys and gals.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, November 28, 2008, at 01:24:27 (ZULU)

Happy Thanksgiving to all youn'z out there. Take a minute and say a prayer for those out front.

Take care & God Bless...

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Friday, November 28, 2008, at 03:49:50 (ZULU)

Happy Thanksgiving guys. With all the travel this year it's great to have everyone in the family home and safe. I pray you and yours are as blessed.

4eyes
Siloam Springs, Ar, USA - Friday, November 28, 2008, at 21:05:50 (ZULU)

re: long throw light

You can get the "base model" Tiablo A9 here, w/less nifty switch setup:

TIABLO A9 LED flashlight with Cree Q5 WC bin Emitter 250+ lumens!(includes 2 CR123 Batteries)

http://www.cfrlights.com/servlet/the-342/cree%2C-q5%2C-cr123a%2C-lithium%2C/Detail

"# Tactical clicky switch: Low-High-Off."

$89.95 (Sale Ends 12/22/08)

The URL CDC provided for the replacement A8/A9 switch says "out of stock".

I think this package looks closer to what CDC put together for switch support:

http://www.cfrlights.com/servlet/the-468/mrv%2C-digital%2C-ultrabright%2C-265%2C/Detail

LumaPower LumaHunter MRV SK Tactical LED flashlight w/ Cree Q5

The MRV SK (SideKick) is designed as an ultrabright, high-efficiency far throwing tactical light. The MRV SK has all of the desirable specifications and build quality one expects in a light that can serve as a life/death tool. Using a power switching technology originally pioneered for the LumaPower MVP, the MRV SK features an innovative approach to power and output switching; the tailcap switch controls on/off and offers a momentary feature; on the side is the SideKick switch which allows the use to control output levels. For users this means being able to 'preset' a power level in advance of activating the light; so a camper/hiker can have the light pre-set to low and a tactical user could have their light pre-set to high.

The MRV SK takes MRV ownership to the next level; building upon the already fantastic MRV chassis it offers a few key improvements:

3 SideKick adjusted, constant current regulated output levels

Larger, deeper reflector for even greater throw distances

Tactical Click Switch with Momentary

Black HAIII Mil-Spec Hard Anodizing + dark matte gray light engine

Brighter - an upgraded LED at a higher current means that the MRV is brighter than ever!

The MRV SK is offered as a complete kit with both smooth and orange peel reflectors so that the user may customize the light to their need or circumstance. The smooth reflector offers maximum throw, the textured 'orange peel' reflector offers more spill and a creamy smooth beam.

Features & Specifications:

>Excellent runtime, and amazing brightness; 270-280lumens from the LED!

Includes Polished Metal Reflector for stunning throw distance AND Orange Peel Reflector for enhanced spill

Cree XRE-7090 Q5 WD LED driven at ~1.2A/4.25W

State of the art light engine features constant current regulation for maximum efficiency

Multiple power source options:2 X CR123A, 2 X RCR123A, 1 X 18650, 600P, etc - even 2 x 18650 with the optional M-65 extender! Batteries not included

Modular design allows for easy upgrades (as available).

AR coated glass lense improves light emission.

Black Type III Hard Anodizing provides superior wear resistance.

Integrated strike bezel for personal protection.

Output:

High : 270-280 Lumens (1+ hr on 2xCR123A, 4+ hrs on 1x18650)

Med : 75-85 Lumens (9+ hr on 2xCR123A, 12+hrs on 1x18650)

Low : 20 Lumens (30+ hr on 2xCR123A, 48 hrs on 1x18650)

Dimensions :

Overall length : 175mm/6.89", Bezel diameter : 45mm,1.77", Battery tube diameter : 25.5mm/.98", Tail switch diameter : 29mm, Reflector Depth: 36mm/1.42". Weight 221G/7.8oz (without batteries)

$102.95 (Sale Ends 12/22/08) c/w 2xCR123A

Reflectors: both orange peel and smooth at no extra cost!

Li-Ion 18650 3.7V $8.95

wf-139 charger $16.95

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, November 28, 2008, at 22:55:01 (ZULU)

Well, here's a new way of looking at things, via the Canadian Government. If you win in the elections, you take over, and lead the country the way the voters have reflected at the polls.

And, inversely, if you lose, you can take over, and lead the country the way you want to, and damn the voters.

This seems to be what the multiple losing parties are doing in Canada, by forming a 'Consortium', and putting all of their meager votes into one 'kitty', and declaring themselves the winner (whiner?) with a new fancy name.

And to hell with what the voters want, we'll do it the way we want.

Don't mind me, folks. I was trying to be optimistic after this last CANADIAN election, in the hopes of progress. Now, I fear, we'll be following another's lead. Again.

This neighborhood sucks, and it's suck'n more and more! If we take all of our land, and dump it into the sea, and build our own island, can we start our own country? I'm just asking. How far "down" does our property line go, around our house?

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html?id=d5ff147e-c342-497a-82f5-aed31a6d97fa

(or click for a better link [below] with video)

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/545958

Sean T.
Winnipeg, , Manitoba, Canada - Saturday, November 29, 2008, at 19:14:30 (ZULU)

Sean T: It's not just you. Here in CA we've voted several initiatives that the powers that be did not like and they either tied them up in court or disregarded them outright. This go-round we voted prop 8 in (the initiative to keep marriage between man and woman) for a SECOND time and they're still bitching about it. We even had some of the peaceful gays here attack and beat up some church people that were having demonstrations about this. It never ends here.... Man I can't wait to leave this freaking state!!

Joe Ducos
Turlock, CA, USA - Sunday, November 30, 2008, at 02:23:58 (ZULU)

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