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CatDude: My sense of humor doesn't kick in 'till mid-morning. I thought you were being serious and was sorely disappointed.

CDC'
Saturday, November 1, 2008, at 01:32:40 (ZULU)

Bolt/small base dies- no, regular sizing dies do not return the case to SAAMI specs-or at least to the miminum specs most factory ammo is made at.

Small base dies hold tighter body diameters than standard sizing dies and were originally made for semi-auto rifles. These lack the camming power of a bolt gun to either seat or extract slightly oversize ammo. If you're using a bolt gun, what small base dies will do is work the brass more than standard dies and contribute to slightly faster case failure. If your banger isn't choking on your current ammo, don't worry about small base dies.

WR Moore
Saturday, November 1, 2008, at 04:13:39 (ZULU)

I just hold wind using my mil reticle, unless it's so strong that I have to dial some offset because the reticle hasn't enough marks.

Here's a formula for wind holds in mils, valid for 175 SMKs at 2650 or thereabouts:

yds(100s) * wind (mph)

hold (mils) = ----------------------------

constant

where constant is:

Range(yds) Constant

<=500 45

600 43

700 41

800 39

900 38

1000 37

I can do the math for that in my head.

Lindy
Rockport, Texas, U.S.A. - Saturday, November 1, 2008, at 04:41:52 (ZULU)

"I just hold wind using my mil reticle, unless it's so strong that I have to dial some offset because the reticle hasn't enough marks..."

Lindy: If you can't hold the wind with the reticle marks (cuz the wind is too strong) - then you should probably not take the shot - unless it's an emergency - LOL...

take care all,

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, PROTECT AMERICA - VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN - Saturday, November 1, 2008, at 13:40:47 (ZULU)

Ken: under operational conditions, I'd tend to agree with you. Moving into a position more upwind or downwind is another option.

However, the only way to learn to shoot in the wind is to...shoot in the wind. Training military snipers to shoot extreme distances in high winds has at times required dialing some wind.

Lindy
Rockport, Texas, U.S.A. - Saturday, November 1, 2008, at 14:11:08 (ZULU)

BoltsterDudski...

The phrase "SAAMI SPEC" is tossed around shooting sites all the time by guys that have no Goddamned idea what they are talking about (WR Moore DOES!).

SAAMI spec is a large group of measurements and all of them have fairly large +/- factors, and there are NO SAAMI specs for loading dies.

The new case, as you buy it, is within +/- a goal diameter... then the chamber is +/- a design diameter... head space is +/- a given goal measurement.

So you throw smallish case in a largish chamber, and it goes BANG - now you have a largish case that fits the chamber - if it's a bolt gun, you can shoot this almost forever... if it's an auto, it might fit too tightly.

A FL die will NOT bring the case back to the new case size - it will reduce the case diameter a fair amount, but there will still be a bulge in the body over the web.

To bring it all the way down to the new case size (within a few thou), you need a small base die.

I have them for 223 and 308 (the cases that I get range pick ups for)... I small base size them the first time so they are starting from scratch.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, November 1, 2008, at 17:32:19 (ZULU)

re: small base dies

I would guess that they're really handy for reloading .223 and .308 brass that was previously fired in a machine gun. That stuff tends to be on the largish size.

(as in 'Lito's reference to pickups)

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, November 1, 2008, at 19:35:23 (ZULU)

Small base dies are handy for many kinds of pickup rifle brass, since you never know what the size of the chamber was in which it was fired, but especially that from any kind of semi-auto or auto, because the action of the weapon tends to be trying to jerk the case out of the chamber while it's still expanded against the chamber walls.

Personally, I prefer to avoid that kind of brass, because even if you can resize it successfully, the brass may have been weakened by the violent extraction. However, I'd have no problem with it if I were in turn going to fire it after reloading in a semi-auto and then discard it.

Lindy
Rockport, Texas, U.S.A. - Saturday, November 1, 2008, at 20:26:17 (ZULU)

Lindy...

I have reloaded thousands (and thousands) of rounds of military pickup brass and I've never had a problem with a single case...

... on the other hand, I have had commercial brass fail on the first firing (from NEW).

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, November 1, 2008, at 21:51:28 (ZULU)

I VOTED TODAY........ 3 FRIGGIN HOURS IN LINE SURROUNDED BY OBAMNIACS. DAMN.................. McCain ain't got a chance from all I saw and heard today. Batten down the hatches!

Welll sheeet.......

I reckon I'll pull the 2,000+ pieces of LC machine gun fired out again and smal base it. I plan on being able to use it for gas and bolts should the need arise so better to be safe than sorry. I've already done all the prep on it so I hopes this small basing doesn't screw with OAL or the shoulder set back too much. So the stratagy is that you do all your full length prep and then small base? I guess it's probably a good idea do small base all brass for gas guns, even non-military brass?

Dreading Tuesday night fall out, Bolt out!

Bolt
NC, - Sunday, November 2, 2008, at 00:49:26 (ZULU)

on small-base dies:

IMHO, if you don't know the pedrigree of the brass *and* plan on using it to feed a gas gun, better safe than sorry.

I take an intermediate approach for feeding gas guns. I headstamp sort the brass and adjust my dies to just the right cartridge headspace for the headstamp lot in conjunction with my chamber gage. I use a Wilson chamber gage to check full-length resized brass. I'm using Redding standard rifle dies with the carbide expander ball upgrade. That approach works the necks a bit more, but avoids having to match neck wall thickness to select bushing neck inserts.

Anything that doesn't pass I try resizing once more. If it still doesn't pass, it goes in the reject bucket. With the brass I have acquired to date, I don't get a lot of rejects for that reason, but you may be using brass that had a rougher ride...

If I was getting a lot of resizing rejects, I would probably switch to the small base dies.

I thought you (normally) used a small base die in place of the "normal" FL die, did I miss out on an important detail?

(Rework is another matter, of course).

I wouldn't be trimming cases by choice until I finished any sizing operations because it can shift the shoulder.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, November 2, 2008, at 02:05:04 (ZULU)

'Lito- why thank you, kind sir.

Easy way to look at the chamber/ammo situation is this. It's standard machining practice that holes (chamber) can be the nominal design size or larger (to either a specified or standard practices tolerance), never smaller. By the same token, whatever is being installed in the hole (ammunition) can be the nominal size or smaller (again to either a specified or standard practices tolerance), never larger.

If the ammo companies want to sell their products to a wide market, they have to be sure that all their 7.67 mm Eargesplittenloudenboomer ammo is gonna fit into any reasonably sized chamber. So, it's skinny and a bit short on headspace.

If the arms manufacturers want to make sure their products can use just about anyones ammo, their chambers aren't going to cut to nominal/minimum dimension.

WR Moore
Sunday, November 2, 2008, at 08:31:41 (ZULU)

Sowell on Obama: "After the big gamble on subprime mortgages that led to the current financial crisis, is there going to be an even bigger gamble, by putting the fate of a nation in the hands of a man whose only qualifications are ego and mouth?"

"Barack Obama has the kind of cocksure confidence that can only be achieved by not achieving anything else."

"Anyone who has actually had to take responsibility for consequences by running any kind of enterprise-- whether economic or academic, or even just managing a sports team-- is likely at some point to be chastened by either the setbacks brought on by his own mistakes or by seeing his successes followed by negative consequences that he never anticipated."

"The kind of self-righteous self-confidence that has become Obama's trademark is usually found in sophomores in Ivy League colleges-- very bright and articulate students, utterly untempered by experience in real world."

""This is our time!" he proclaimed. And "I will change the world." But ultimately this election is not about him, but about the fate of this nation, at a time of both domestic and international peril, with a major financial crisis still unresolved and a nuclear Iran looming on the horizon."

Click to read the whole thing.

If we elect this nullity president we will deserve what we get.

CDC'
Sunday, November 2, 2008, at 11:25:44 (ZULU)

"If we elect this nullity president we will deserve what we get..."

CDC: If the power of stupidity and misinformation reaches enough mass - THEY will elect Obama - and WE will be stuck with the gov't THEY deserve...

'Lito said something to that effect the other day and he's right!!

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, NO-BAMA '08 (OR EVER)!! - Sunday, November 2, 2008, at 12:23:26 (ZULU)

Ken, I agree with you.

As a Canuckian, I'm sitting here with a bit of fear. Not in what you (and other roster members will do,,,) but in what the rest of your countrymen and women will do.

Someone once said that "Stupidity should be painful". I agree with that, wholeheartedly.

If things go the way I fear, there is going to be a lot of pain on the horizon.

Please, prove me wrong.

Please.

Sean T.
Winnipeg, Mb., Canada - Sunday, November 2, 2008, at 15:50:51 (ZULU)

Make that; "If the American people elect...the American people deserve..."

CDC'
Sunday, November 2, 2008, at 15:55:07 (ZULU)

Cooper ousted...click.

Joe M
Sunday, November 2, 2008, at 16:23:38 (ZULU)

'Lito,

Have you ever imbibed on the Mount Gay variety of dark rum? Not too shabby.

SAAMI basically sets out guidelines the cartridge/chamber should be to meet safety factors, but one problem with SAAMI is their list is very short. SAAMI is voluntary, manufacturers of ammo are not bound to conform though most try to stay within the limits for litigation purposes. As Lito said, it can be very vague territory calling out for std SAAMI or min SAAMI specs, though if I'm talking with Kiff and ask for a SAAMI std reamer he knows what I'm on about. Generally with minimum saami specs you're callin out for a smaller tolerance on the min side of the std spec, if I call for std it generally means keep the same tolerance as on the print, and try to stay middle of the road.

IMHO, the euro version CIP is a better compilation, vast number of cartridges included, plus often it states the pMax of each specific cartridge. Only problem is it's written in French.

later

JR
Titusville, Florida, USA - Sunday, November 2, 2008, at 21:26:38 (ZULU)

Click for 5.56 Nato and .223 Dimensions.

JR, Pablo, whoever...

Naive question here; Would standard .223 dies work as small base 5.56 Nato dies?

CDC'
Sunday, November 2, 2008, at 23:17:15 (ZULU)

re: .223 Rem vs 5.56 NATO

I'm probably going to have to extract my foot from my mouth later, but here goes:

As I understand it, the primary difference in .223 Rem vs 5.56 NATO chambers has to do with the throat leade for the projectile, which can affect the pressure curve for ammunition / barrel.

As such, there should not be a die issue, but the projectile seating and max pressures can vary between the two chamberings.

I've used .223 Rem dies to load for a 5.56 NATO chamber, as I suspect many others do too. I don't recall any mainstream reloading die maker actually offering a 5.56 NATO die, so that may tell you something.

For informed views on the topic:

http://www.thegunzone.com/556v223.html

http://www.fulton-armory.com/556-vs-223-Chambers.htm

http://www.6mmbr.com/223Rem.html - great reloading tips too!

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, November 2, 2008, at 23:35:23 (ZULU)

This election observation (take it for what it is worth):

Just something that I noticed between those who are voting for McCain and those who are voting for obama. Those that vote for McCain take great pride in being Americans and understand the gift that we have and understands the sacrifice that needs to be given and those who don't, but vote for obama, take no pride in being an American nor do they understand what an American is yet would call you names or raise their voice and make accusations.

There really is a cultural war going on. What I find funny yet scary is that those who do vote for obama want to state what is fair, want everything to be fair, yet would not recognize nor understand what one does to become successful and here is the irony, they too want money and success, and when they do achieve, they will bitch when their hard earn money is taken for those who decide to be lazy and stupid. As for being fair, when everyone is equal and everyone is being fair who leads? We all know that answer. One last tag for this paragraph, I think liberals in some way are greedier than conservatives. We are happy at what we make and we just asked be be left alone and to give others a chance to be successful; liberals, they have to have an opinion on everything and a say on everyone.

One last item, those who don't understand how our government works, and who thinks that we are a democratic country should not vote for the simple reason of ignorance. If you can not pass your driver license written test then you can not drive, so why not have it for the presidential election.

End of rant....

Bolt, I voted via absentee ballot and I suspect many McCain supporter did also. My wife is voting for obama, she is going to wait in line - go figure - and she has an absentee ballot. What does that tell you about the liberal mind ;-)

This is a great old say, notice the near end one about character:

"How odd that all those boring lessons from our grandparents turn out to be true in the globalize, hip 21st century: Save your money. Don't borrow what you can't pay back. Look first at a man's character, not his degrees. And if a promised return on an investment seems too good to be true, it probably is."

Victor Davis Hanson

Darren
East Bay, California, USA - Monday, November 3, 2008, at 14:26:33 (ZULU)

The talking heads on Sunday morning predict an Obama landslide.

Too bad I'm teaching tomorrow night, I'll miss the coverage of the election returns. :8-)

My dealer just took receipt of some German milsurp 308, ~$450/K. Apparently the primers are 'staked', the ammo was originally for machine guns. Have any of you reworked/reloaded this type of ammo (with staked primers)?

My dealer also had a SIG-250, so I got to handle it. Nice ergonomics, felt great, mag release was ideal for me. This pistol has the nicest double-action trigger pull I can remember. But... I'm no expert on DAO. Just felt really good. They didn't have any cartridge conversion kits, but it looks like a promising pistola.

Darren: The folks voting for Obama drank the Kool-Aid, and are more confused than a blind lesbian at a tuna buffet.

Duman
Monday, November 3, 2008, at 16:20:39 (ZULU)

Quote of the day:

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich." "You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong." "You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift." "You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down." "You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred." "You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence." "You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they can and should do for themselves."

Attributed to Abraham Lincoln

Darren
East Bay, California, USA - Monday, November 3, 2008, at 16:33:12 (ZULU)

Duman on staked primer brass reloading:

No problem, most mil-spec cartridge primers are staked or crimped in some fashion.

First time around, you use a swage or cutter to return the primer pocket to "normal" dimensions. I like the Dillon Super Swage 600 for that, but there are other tools too.

I've reloaded 9mmx19, 5.56 NATO and 7.62 NATO brass that was originally crimped.

The only other consideration is that mil-spec brass is a bit heavier, so you typically have to reduce power charges a bit if the load was developed in commercial brass.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, November 3, 2008, at 16:41:04 (ZULU)

pistol reloading country:

Conventional wisdom is that you can't wear out carbide pistol dies.

How would you tell? Increased resizing force, dimension issues with resulting brass, what?

I tumble my brass, and clean out the dies on occasion. It seems like it takes more resizing force than it used to for my 9mmx19 on the same press. If I could reduce the resizing force w/o resorting to lube for the cases that would be nice.

Fired brass source/characteristics *is* a variable, so I have no standard to cross-check against the past. The Lee carbide die in question probably has been used for over 50K and maybe 100K rounds, but hasn't been dropped or obviously abused. Resized cases fit ok in a Wilson gage, as well as various chambers. No obvious scoring of the resized brass.

Cleaning the die interior makes no difference.

Ideas?

Rod Regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, November 3, 2008, at 16:57:05 (ZULU)

Rod,

Your just getting weaker in your old age.... Try a bit of lube every now and then as you may have some small scratches on the carbide ring but I really doubt it. I've seen some carbide dies that have upwards of 4 million round through them and they just look "broke in ". You more than likely just have a stout ( thick ) bunch of brass or it's getting work hardened and is just stiff.

Hope this helps

Calvin

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Monday, November 3, 2008, at 23:46:20 (ZULU)

Hey Rod,

Just re-read your post and all jokes aside I may see a clue to your problem... You say you my have upwards of 100k rounds sized on one press in one caliber .. That should come out to some where around 400k cycles of the press with that cartridge alone.. The increased resistance that you are getting may be due to worn pivot pins or wear in the ram.. Your press may be worn out... Take a good look at how everything acts under load..

Just some food for thought.

Stay safe

Calvin

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Monday, November 3, 2008, at 23:54:04 (ZULU)

Okie Dokie........

I tried the small base die on some of the LC machine gun brass that I had full length sized. Here are the befores and afters on one piece which were indicative of 4 more.

Original OAL 2.005

OAL after small base 2.090

Original shoulder setback -.003

Setback after small base +.002

Setback after FL sizing again -.002

Original case diameter at base .4695

Diameter after small base .4685

It looks like small basing only reduces the case by about .001, increases the length and the shoulder setback which will require full length sizing all over again. Is it worth it for .001?

I hates this getting anal period again, Bolt out!

Bolt
Wishful thinking in...., NC, - Tuesday, November 4, 2008, at 00:48:36 (ZULU)

Bolt:

Just to ask a silly question, were you having chambering issues with the brass w/o using the small base die?

Do you plan on using the brass in any firearms that you don't currently have onhand?

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, November 4, 2008, at 01:27:50 (ZULU)

Calvin:

I had a look at the carbide die, it has random small scratches at angles offset to the mouth (not exactly parallel). Probably just simpler to replace it, the sizer die by itself isn't that expensive. ($US26 as a part from Lee)

I tried it in a different single-stage press that reciprocates freely, resizing still seems stiffer that it should be.

My Loadmaster press is definitely stiffer in reciprocation that it should be (probably was much better when new). I could strip it and clean out the crud and inspect for wear in the pivots and replace as necessary, but I'm thinking that it may be easier just to replace the base unit instead. Only problem - Lee apparently doesn't sell just the press. I'll have to have a little chat with my preferred Canadian Lee reseller (Higginson Powders.)

I already wore out the shellplate carrier on this Lee Loadmaster and had to replace it, that takes a lot of cartridge cases to do that.

Rod Regier
halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, November 4, 2008, at 01:44:26 (ZULU)

Rod, the surplus crappola ammo I bought el cheapo many moons ago (South African) is not worth a tinker's damn. It's yucky nasty and not accurate to minute of bull's ass at 100 (through 3 different gas guns). I figger can load semi el cheapo blasting rounds much better. You hit the nail on the head with fitting in guns I don't have. I'm searching for a combo of brass, boolits and powder that I can load to shoot in any 308 that comes my way.

What I have learned is that I want a cheap but decent 308 boolit in the 155 grain class, loaded with -.004 neck tension to avoid crimping, a decent primer and 4895 powder which has proven a winner in my SASS. I learned that anything much over 155-168 grains will cause a shoulder pounding from the foreign 308 gas guns and even in my SASS I think that 175's beat up the rifle guts too much. I found the brass and finally got it worked up, have the powder and the primers, and now am searching for the cheaper boolits.

Searching for Nirvana, Bolt out!

Bolt
NC, - Tuesday, November 4, 2008, at 02:22:02 (ZULU)

Bolt:

I'm happily using the Rem bulk .30 cal 165g PSPCL in my .30-06 Garand, suggest getting a sample and give them a spin for your .308 Win semi-auto application. They have just a small amount of lead exposed at the tip, so feeding should be pretty good. They have a cannelure, which makes for better retention during the feeding cycle. Pretty good accuracy too. The only real "negative" is that they are a flat-base projectile, but that's only important beyond say 300 yards.

Concur with your other parameter selections.

Perhaps just pick your tighest-chambered .308 Win (probably a match bolt gun) and see if the regular die sizes enough. It would be really rare for any semi-auto to be tighter than that. The resized case should just drop into the chamber without forcing.

I'm happy if the resized case fits properly into the Wilson cartridge gage, which is supposed to be on the "tight" part of the tolerance range.

Sample pricing from Precision Reloading for the Rem 165g PSPCL projectiles:

http://www.precisionreloading.com/2004catalog.htm

RMB23595

30 Cal - 165 PSPCL

.308

$21.99/100

$106.49/500

$207.99/1000

If you have your heart set on a lighter projectile, Rem also offers a similar 30 cal 150g PSPCL projectile:

RMB23590

30 Cal - 150 PSPCL

.308

$21.49/100

$104.49/500

$203.99/1000

Rod Regier
halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, November 4, 2008, at 03:17:46 (ZULU)

Those .308 165 PSPCL boolets are effective on game. For the $$ they are a good deal.

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CDC'
Tuesday, November 4, 2008, at 05:23:37 (ZULU)

A great analysis of Obama, the Pathological Narcissist. It puts him in great company.....Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Che, etc........

http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html

Or click.....

Geoff M
WI, USA - Tuesday, November 4, 2008, at 08:16:46 (ZULU)

Brothers,

Its Election Day,and its gonna be a loooong day at that.I sure hope its gonna work out to our favor,but somehow I just dont have faith in the majority of the sheeple that are calling themselves Americans.I,like most here am dreading the predicted results.In the 42 years I been living theres been many days of sadness,Today may be the saddest one yet.

I sure hope they are wrong.

UnPat

UnPat
Tuesday, November 4, 2008, at 10:54:25 (ZULU)

It's 21:40 Eastern U.S time... Seeing the results come in.... I don't understand.... I'm hittin' the rack.....

Out.

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Conservatives headed for exile - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 02:40:34 (ZULU)

Like Ken, I'm going to bed! I go to bed in the United States of America and, I fear, will wake up in the Socialist States of America.

Sarge

Sarge
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 03:23:49 (ZULU)

Let's see if the Repubs will be able to sustain a filibuster.

CDC'
Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 04:21:14 (ZULU)

Bolt;

Those Remmy PSPCL are some of the most accurate I`ve found in my M1A for commercial ammo. Still not up to the 3/4 min. groups from the Radway Green, but this stick hates all other commercial ammo. They print around 1 min. for me and can`t argue about the price, $8 a box last year on sale at local Gander. Just don`t shoot one of God`s creatures with a Rem. Premier Ballistic Tip. They ain`t a Nosler. Unless you like grenade wounds on your venison. My .02

Oh, and BTW all, happy first Afro-American Socialist first presidents day! WE`RE FUKT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve Racer
Erf, - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 04:55:46 (ZULU)

The substantially enhanced Democratic majorities in Congress stand poised to pass a raft of legislation that ranges from the destructive to the abominable and the tyrannical. It will serve as an early challenge to the judgment of President Obama, and to the efficacy of the loyal opposition. ___Powerline

McConnell kept enough seats to maintain a filibuster.

CDC'
Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 12:40:05 (ZULU)

Well, campers, I woke up to the bad news - we're pfukt is right.

But the Republicans brought it on themselves, and in a sense, we did it to ourselves.

We had good candidates in the primaries that got tossed under the bus - Romney could have won it, but he got killed off early by the extreme right evangelicals... and we wound up with the weakest candidate of the whole bunch. We cannot allow the anti-abortionists and anti-gays to decide who runs for our leaders. These are issues that have nothing to do with the country's future, and they are not going to change. To throw ourselves in the trash over and over again over these two issues is political suicide.

I just don't know if there is any core group left to rebuild the party on.

Gingrich is gone, as are most of the party big hitters that were small govt, small spending philosophers.

What is left is not much more than democrats in republican suits (rinos).

The last time I saw a rout like this was Nixon/McGovern election in 1972.

This time, it is worse.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 12:49:54 (ZULU)

Gents: The talkin heads sure were reaching last night: Obama will be pragmatic (like Clinton, yet without Clinton's repub house). Yeah right. This guy just got elcted prez, and we saw what a party nomination did to his head; no--he will over reach and anyone thinking he will not is wishful as hell. What is to stop him? |The senate repubs? A 51 vote majority can change the rule of cloture on debate to a simple 51 vote majority. Oh, yeah: Harry Reid is such a wonderful student of histiry and is devoted to traditions--he'd never do this now would he??? So...what is to stop them...

No problems though...this nation is resillient as hell; or rather--the parts of it that I like are pretty damned tough. The parts I would happily do without may not be so durable, though--and this is not a bad thing IMHO.

So what do we get?

-fairness doctrine; shut up the angry right once and for all!

-tax code shifts of wealth; welfare like never before to the bottom and a burden upon the burden for the producers

-grossly expanded entitlements at teh very time of grossly expanded applications for the "old" entitlements.

Dudes, the liberal agenda in any form (SM-MD-LG) is an economic train wreck. There are sector weaknesses that have yet to ripple thru the markets--and the grand elephant in the room has yet to make his introductions...inflation/ currency collapse.

Anyone remember the stamp act? Not much to it, really. But there sure as hell was a disproportionate response! Any one of these liberal policies could evoke the same proportionality in american anger. Ya just never know. But I do know that, aside from a few cities, there is not that much support for such things. And leave it to outsized ego to take the opposite conclusion from last night.

While we have NO IDEA what to expect from this guy polic-wise--seriously--none; we do know that we can count on arrogance in (I almost said "spades") heheh---get used to that too: If you disagree with Lord Obama--yer' a steenkin' racist!

No matter what else, these next four years are sure to be entertaining as all hell---in a Chinese proverbial curse sort of way:))

Now to go back to bed and wake up in a different dream...this one is scary:))

Joe M
Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 13:57:44 (ZULU)

Election Country:

FUCK!!!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 14:31:33 (ZULU)

JoeM,

I agree with what you said. But I think its Obama's voters that might be in for the most disappointment since they're the ones that invested ALL of their dreams and plans in this guy. I don't have anything invested in Obama so I can't be as easily disappointed when he turns out to be the anti-American, leftist POS he has always been. I can still suffer from his leftist bullshit, but it won't be a total surprise to me.

Obama won bigtime last night and now he got HIS mandate, but can he actually satisfy the "down-trodden" voters that elected him? Will his plans backfire and cause a monumental shift of power in both houses of congress like Bill Clinton in 1994? Was the question of his citizenship finally answered sufficiently to quell further inquiries about his qualification to hold the office? Imagine if its now learned that he's not eligible to be President? Riots anyone? I know the folks in terror-sponsoring countries are rejoicing today but what about Israel? Whats on their mind?

I think its possible that the clintons are actually more disappointed than McCain about Obama's win last night. She's done now and so is McCain.

Best regards,

Bill Bledsoe
here in, KY, USA - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 15:12:22 (ZULU)

The interesting after effects are what Bill Bledso said - this is the end of Hillery's shot at the presidency, and probably the end of her career.

It sure is the end of the Clinton's control of the democratic party.

I wonder if Obama will keep Reed and Pelosi, or replace then with people that are less inflammatory, and more important, are not strong enough to be a threat to him. Obama may be slick, but he is not strong.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 16:03:19 (ZULU)

I hope those that "voted for change" were serious about it; when Obama's done "spreading the wealth", change is all they'll have left. Time to learn to grow your own damn food.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 16:44:15 (ZULU)

As a Canadian I can unfortunately say,

There goes the neighborhood.

Sean T.
Winnipeg, Mb., Canada - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 16:46:18 (ZULU)

Sean...

>"There goes the neighborhood."<

My first laugh of the day (I needed it!!)

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 17:05:11 (ZULU)

I now wonder if there will be an exodus of military personals now that obama is the president.

Also, will the door be open to the true believers to make the face of America as theirs?

Now I wonder what type of world my daughter will grow up in - I am very worried.

Darren
East Bay, California, USA - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 17:51:41 (ZULU)

Bill! Good to know you're still here and well!

Joe - on the stamp act, the reason for the disportional response wasn't because of the stamp act itself.

Franklin wrote that none of the intolerable acts in and of themselves could have spurred the population to rebellion. He said his opinion was that NONE of the intolerable acts were the catalyst for the popular uprising. It was when England changed the fundimental economic system in the colonies (changing from Colonial Script to mandatory use of the British Pound) that the people rebelled. That, in combination with the intolerable acts, is what caused people to change teams in the middle of the game.

I'd say that we'd be in the same situation, but I didn't read about uprisings when fdr took us off the gold standard, or when Nixon took us off the silver standard.

The big question I have is whether this election cycle will be a learning experience or not. Hopefully the republicrat half of the new socialist order will understand that if they run an anti-constitution socialist in the future, people may not be able to differentiate between the republicrat anti-constitution socialist and the demopublican anti-constitution socialist.

The big question for me now is whether b. hussain ospama will effectively be compelled to disclose his official birth records. Since the lawsuit to compel has been blocked by the DNC this far, I kind of question it. The thing is, unless he chooses to do so, he's a pretender to the office, nothing other than a usurper according to the Constitution.

Some "documents manufacturer" in his camp better be working on some DANGED GOOD forgeries - and "elimination" of the originals.

For what it's worth, my little girlfriend up north says that orders outstripped production of the XCR by several weeks a couple of months ago. She said as of first thing this morning, orders have been rolling in non-stop, and haven't slowed down much at all. If you want an XCR, order it now, 'cause that way it MIGHT get to you some time in January or February.

Spare parts orders are backlogged too - seems smart people do things intelligently. If it weren't for the fact that I've already got my parts, mags, ammo, and XCRs, I'd be kicking myself ;-)

Bravo
Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 19:15:41 (ZULU)

George Washington is on the dollar, Abraham Lincoln is on the penny. We Will put Obama on food stamps.

What do Abraham Lincoln, JFK, and Obama have in common? Nothing...Yet.

Barack Obama discovers a leak under his sink, so he calls Joe the Plumber to come and fix it.

Joe drives to Obama's house, which is located in a very nice neighborhood and where it's clear that all the residents make more than $250,000 per year.

Joe arrives and takes his tools into the house. Joe is led to the room that contains the leaky pipe under a sink. Joe assesses the problem and tells Obama, who is standing near the door, that it's an easy repair that will take less than 10 minutes.

Obama asks Joe how much it will cost.

Joe immediately says, '$9,500.'

'$9,500?' Obama asks, stunned. 'But you said it's an easy repair!'

'Yes, but what I do is charge a lot more to my clients who make more than $250,000 per year so I can fix the plumbing of everybody who makes less than that for free,' explains Joe. 'It's always been my philosophy. As a matter of fact, I lobbied government to pass this philosophy as law, and it did pass earlier this year, so now all plumbers have to do business this way. It's known as 'Joe's Fair Plumbing Act of 2008.' Surprised you haven't heard of it, senator.'

In spite of that, Obama tells Joe there's no way he's paying that much for a small plumbing repair, so Joe leaves.

Obama spends the next hour flipping through the phone book looking for another plumber, but he finds that all other plumbing businesses listed have gone out of business. Not wanting to pay Joe's price, Obama does nothing.

The leak under Obama's sink goes unrepaired for the next several days.

A week later the leak is so bad that Obama has had to put a bucket under the sink. The bucket fills up quickly and has to be emptied every hour, and there's a risk that the room will flood, so Obama calls Joe and pleads with him to return.

Joe goes back to Obama's house, looks at the leaky pipe, and says 'Let's see ˆ this will cost you about $21,000.'

'A few days ago you told me it would cost $9,500!' Obama quickly fires back.

Joe explains the reason for the dramatic increase. 'Well, because of the 'Joe's Fair Plumbing Act,' a lot of rich people are learning how to fix their own plumbing, so there are fewer of you paying for all the free plumbing I'm doing for the people who make less than $250,000. As a result, the rate I have to charge my wealthy paying customers rises every day.

'Not only that, but for some reason the demand for plumbing work from the group of people who get it for free has skyrocketed, and there's a long waiting list of those who need repairs. This has put a lot of my fellow plumbers out of business, and they're not being replaced ˆ nobody is going into the plumbing business because they know they won't make any money. I'm hurting now too ˆ all thanks to greedy rich people like you who won't pay their fair share.'

Obama tries to straighten out the plumber: 'Of course you're hurting, Joe! Don't you get it? If all the rich people learn how to fix their own plumbing and you refuse to charge the poorer people for your services, you'll be broke, and then what will you do?'

Joe immediately replies, 'Run for president, apparently.'

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Harry Truman said, “The buck stops here!”

Barack Obama says, “Leave the bucks here!”

*******

Q. Why won't Obama release his real birth certificate?

A. The ink isn't dry yet.

*******

Q. What do Obama and Osama have in common?

A. They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.

*******

Q. Why wouldn’t Barack salute the American flag?

A. It was ours.

*******

REPORTER (to Barack Obama): At the Academy Awards, Jon Stewart made fun of the fact that your last name, Obama, sounds like Osama, the name of the most hated man on the planet. What is your reaction?

BARACK OBAMA: Besides the unfortunate name similarity, Osama Bin-Laden and I have nothing in common. One of us is a confident, ethnic man with devoted supporters and a clear vision for the future, and the other is about to be elected President.

*******

Hope this helped, y'all.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 19:25:48 (ZULU)

Travis,

HA! Thanks for the humor(you were joking, right?)

Bravo,

Yup, still on here. Don't post too much anymore, but I do read the Roster fairly regular.

I am betting he's got some real issues with the birth certificate, but it won't matter now. The "Messiah" has arrived.

McCain lost because he was not a conservative, Bush almost lost for the same reason(IMO). Charisma without an ounce of substance won the election last night. Substance to follow later, but we won't like it.

'Lito,

I'd like to have been a fly on the wall when she saw her chances go up in smoke last night. I am betting she cursed a blue streak!

Its gonna be interesting for sure and sometimes downright scarey, but we'll make it okay.

Best to Ya'll,

Bill Bledsoe
N/A, KY, USA for now - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 20:21:49 (ZULU)

On Obama's birth certificate:

Is it any wonder that it "appeared" right after folks really got to asking for it, then, the only person who remembered where he was born (and said it was in KENYA) died?

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Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 20:49:07 (ZULU)

Bravo: ya think? Of course it wasn't alone as a catalyst...the point being something other than that. I had listed just three bantied-about wish list items of the left...there are many, many more in store--like the secret ballot union drive reform, the camel's nose under the tent healthcare reforms, the national "security" para-military ideas, the tax payer and mortgage holder bailouts, hell, the list goes on. The concept was/ is: what might the tipping point be and where will these chips fall when we reach that point? I was oriented on the here and now, and not so much a history lesson:))

I short-hand historical references so as not to put anyone here to sleep. I can talk forever, and my major is a favorite topic:)) I'm just merciful at times...tho not all the time!

Joe M
Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 21:45:15 (ZULU)

done.

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Conservatives headed for exile - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 22:00:38 (ZULU)

Welllllll...... The way I looks at it the worst part of this blasphemy is that we won't get to see Palin in blue jeans anymore. Damn :(

Prevert Boltster OUT!

Bolt
Blown in a new blue state......., NC, - Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 22:54:46 (ZULU)

Right on Joe,

I did the same thing. To put it outright, here's my thesis statement:

Modern amirikan residents (not to be confused with the very small number of American Citizens left in this country) are corrupt, greedy, ignorant, apathetic, lazy, and don't have any sense of responsibility or duty.

We are reaping EXACTLY what Alexis de Toqueville said we'd reap, and for those exact same reasons he stated.

We've got an electorate composed essentially of 50 year old bodies housing 5 year old intelects. Except for those wonderful new 18 year old "first time" voters, who typically also have the intelect of a 5 year old, but know everything there is to know, and are happy to show all of the rest of us the error in our ways.

These people have no idea what their heiritage is, what their history says (and amazingly some misconstrued idea that if it hasn't happened in their lifetime, it not only never happened, but is impossible!), where they came from, or even the most basic principles of how our system of government was formed and how it was designed to function.

All they know is that their 401K statement last quarter "went bad". "Somebody" has to "do something". As CDC put it once, they know not whether they should be wringing their hands or wetting their beds.

If modern amirikan residents weren't that way, there would have been riots over the fdr and Nixon debacles. What we have now is a society filled with the idea of "entitlements" and "Rights" which are wholely unassociated with any responsibilities or duties.

If I had to come up with a slogan for amirika today, it'd be:

"I am excellent simply because I am alive and breathing - give me stuff".

The fact that they get the government they deserve doesn't bother me one iota. What DOES bother me is that WE get the government THEY deserve.

Our system of government derives its authority from the consent of the governed. If I've accidentally been ambiguous about my lack of consent before, now I'm putting it outright: until I see a birth certificate, the usurper holds NO authority.

The problem with our government today has nothing to do with people guarding Liberties with great jealousy, but rather the opposite - those that guard their Liberties with great jealousy are regarded as "tinfoil hat" fringe elements. People who don't know and don't care are raised as virtuous. Pathetic.

Let's just say that for the last 20 years, I've been "displeased" with the electorate. And my contempt has increased exponentially in the last decade.

Bravo
Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 23:11:46 (ZULU)

>"There goes the neighborhood."<

LMAO !!

Well... any woman that can field dress a Moose (that she shot) has won my heart.

One of my students last night was complaining about how 'evil' she is. Too bad I couldn't stick his tiny schlong in a socket and flip the switch....

Duman
Wednesday, November 5, 2008, at 23:14:55 (ZULU)

I think the real thing that bothered the libs about Sarah Palin wan not the mooses, but that if McCain won, in 4 years we would be looking at a president that was a hottie...

... compared to Magie Thatcher, Golda Meir, and don't forget "Ol' Thunder Thighs" Hillery.

Can you imagine teenage kits wanking off over the president???

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 00:23:03 (ZULU)

So if there is a weapons and there most likley will be, what about the ones you already own?

Jon Kujawa
Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 00:31:55 (ZULU)

Jon: Ex post facto is a concept that bothers these libs:)) They ain't figured a way around it yet, and they have tried:))

"""EX POST FACTO CLAUSE - A misnomer in that actually two Constitutional clauses are involved. The U.S. Constitution's Article 1 Section 9, C.3 states: 'No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed,' and Section 10 says: 'No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law. . . .'

The 'words and the intent' of the Ex Post Facto Clause encompass '[e]very law that changes the punishment, and inflicts a greater punishment, than the law annexed to the crime, when committed.' Calder v. Bull, 3 U.S. (1 Dall.) 386, 390 (1798) (opinion of Chase, J.).

An ex post facto law is a law passed after the occurrence of an event or action which retrospectively changes the legal consequences of the event or action. """

meaning if you own a legal gun today, it will be legal tomorrow. The 94 assault weapon ban is one example--think "pre-ban" weapons, as is the frozen supply of machine guns from earlier legislation.

Joe M
Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 00:41:48 (ZULU)

Lito "I just don't know if there is any core group left to rebuild the party on."

I usually don't post, but check out Paul Ryan. He is a young Wisconsin Congressman with ideas on how to get Republicans and the Country back on track.

See link. www.americanroadmap.org

JLU

Joe Udelhofen
Oconomowoc, WI, USA - Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 00:45:10 (ZULU)

"meaning if you own a legal gun today, it will be legal tomorrow."

Actually, no. The ONLY reason they did not include existing firearms in 1994 was to get the bill passed. They can pass a law that says after so many days you must turn in your firearms otherwise they become illegal. Just like they can ban certain pesticides, asbestos, and drugs from possession and use they can ban firearms from possession and use. So, you had best prepare from that day to come within the next few months. The Marxists in the Democratic party have a fool proof majority in Congress and a stated Marxist in the Whitehouse. What the Hell do you think the results of that fire and spark will be?

Hank
Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 01:01:58 (ZULU)

Well it really does not matter, If they get their way and tax the piss out of all of the ammo and things to make the gun go bang they figure we'll just give up on it.

Jon Kujawa
Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 01:09:37 (ZULU)

Ken: Thanks.

That was excellent Bravo. It was well said and it was worth saying.

My favorite political novel is "I Claudius" by Robert Graves. Amazon has used copies for less than 2 bucks. Click.

If you read it, pay particular attention to Sejanus' "Reign of Terror".

CDC'
Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 01:39:59 (ZULU)

Hank: A point for coming up with examples, minus five for mis-applying the law. My head hurts just thinking about stare decisis involved in both points...but perhaps this definition will help:

"A law implicates the Ex Post Facto Clause only if it criminalizes conduct that was not a crime when it was committed, increases the punishment for a crime beyond what it was at the time the act was committed, or deprives a person of a defense available at the time the act was committed. Collins v. Youngblood, 497 U.S. 37, 42-43 (1990). Courts have held that legislation may lawfully impose new requirements on convicted persons if the statute's 'overall design and effect' indicates a 'non-punitive intent.' United States v. Huss, 7 F.3d 1444, 1447 (9th Cir.'93)."

Actually, a lot of good law came out of that swamp...

Now, to criminalize an act yet to be commited; ie--spraying DDT on your crops--there is no trip here. The act of ownership, however, is far more problematic, and only more so when you consider interralted clauses and ammendments, or indeed--even the half-assed heller decision...and as I alluded to---most of our defenses against any such legislation that Jon made reference to will flow from the 9th Circuit...oh, the irony here:))

Joe M
Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 01:49:05 (ZULU)

Egads,

Check out them markets..They looked pretty pleased we got a socialist agenda on the way.

You got to wonder how people think the way they do. Why is keeping as much of my hard earned money in my pocket to spend how I choose a bad thing again?

later

JR
Florida, - Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 02:28:00 (ZULU)

I think it interesting that the first president from Illinois was involved in a civil war as a white to free the blacks (in a general way, of course!).

Now the second "president" from Illinois could be involved in a civil war that enslaves the whites and is black...

Will make for interesting conversation.

Scott F.
Hillbillyland, - Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 02:30:09 (ZULU)

Well guys,

I did somthing to help, I joined the NRA. Im going to try to get as many guys to going as I can.

Jon Kujawa
Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 04:13:00 (ZULU)

TAKE HEART BROTHERS....ALL is not lost.... For this is funny !

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/89632?utm_source=embedded_video_2

Stay safe

Calvin

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 11:03:46 (ZULU)

It might be useful to recall that several of the martial arts of Japan were developed during periods of weapons restrictions on peasants.

If "assault weapons" are banned, enhance skills with shotguns and lever-action rifles. (I have a Marlin 1894S chambered in .44 Remington Magnum, which I bought because of the last "assault weapon" ban. It has a 10-shot tube, and makes a great car gun.)

If semi-auto pistols are banned, get a Jerry Miculek video and bone up on revolver techniques.

However, remain calm, and recall what happened when Bill and Hillary talked about nationalizing health care. The country cried, "Stop!", and we got a Republican Congress in 1994.

And more states than ever before allow their citizens to carry concealed weapons.

The country swings like a pendelum, and right now, we're in a leftward swing. It will swing back the other way. More than 56 million Americans voted in opposition to the President-elect. You can be sure that he will remember that, even if Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid aren't smart enough to.

Lindy
Rockport, Texas, U.S.A. - Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 13:20:35 (ZULU)

Lindy, that .44 lever you speak of is a sweet little piece. I`ve had a yearning for years to have one. Old fart down at camp in WV has put several deer on their ass with his. I get to sight it in for him every year (I know, it doesn`t make sense to me either. But I get to shoot it! Hey, someone has to do it). Think of it: the Redhawk on my belt and the lever under my arm as I swagger through the streets of Dillsburg looking for B.Hussien supporters.

THE OBAMINATOR!!! ARRRRGGGH!!!

Steve Racer
Erf, - Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 14:10:05 (ZULU)

Lindy: While I agree with your larger point, I think you may have overlooked one problem: B.O. can sell cheeze sandwiches to the lactose intolerant. reid and Pelosi are probably counting on that now as they plot their leftward lurch.

A for the nation taking a leftward swing: No; I do not think so. I think the voters took a swing awright--but it was against Bush more so than for Obama. Bush will be vindicated largely by history some 50 years hence, but for the here and now thee is no denying he could not sell ice water in hell, let alone a war to the American people. He had the easiest of mnadates to use (9/11), but his inability to talk it was a disaster---one that, largely, brought us here to this place.

That all said, I think the left has the perfect agent in pace now---and it is worse than anyone here imagines yet. Critics will be "racist" by a fawning media's decree; the chosen one will orate and all will fall behind his schemes; congressional oppositon is not even a speed bump...and the damage is done imediately once the checks go out. Going back is no longer an option. Think of it this way: With jusy barely 40% of us not paying a cent in income taxes, and some 30-odd% getting back something more than they give already--we have close elections. Now, imagine over 50% not paying a damned thing AND getting a check any damned way from the IRS...can you see future campaigns??? "Vote for the repub, and he will take away your rebate checks..." I rather doubt we will see any rightward swing from the ballot box...ever. The voters have, as Bravo said, gone De Toqueville on us...and the trap is about to slam shut on them...

After Tuesday, I began praying for justice Kennedy's good health...and four other black robed constructionalists too. Can you believe that???? Kennedy??? Wow. To see this clown as a necessary evil is to truly know the damage this election may have wrought.

Hank: Huge legal differences between ownership issues and acts yet to be committed (usage of banned substances AFTER law changes)...very huge. Not insurmoutnable by a determined foe like Pelosi and her gang of idiots--but certainly one that requires a constitutional crisis resolution to get passed. I want the constitution front and center of all such liberal BS proposals; for if it is to die--I want it to be quick and in the public's eye. I have my reasons...and these are all psychological. Let events shape man, than man can shape events...

Joe M
Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 15:16:11 (ZULU)

These are the people and organizations we should be afraid of,

http://www.pinkpistols.org/antigun.html

Jon Kujawa
Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 18:36:28 (ZULU)

Joe: Perhaps I have more faith in the American public. I also note that the media is already starting to turn on Obama.

He can't deliver on the promises he made. And if he tries, like his plan to ban coal-fired power plants and send electricity costs through the roof, I believe the American people will turn against him, and quickly, too.

Lindy
Rockport, Texas, - Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 21:07:38 (ZULU)

Ever' since the election I've been trying to identify the odor on the breezes....finally dawned on me.... Boiled frog.

SteveinButte
Butte, MT, USSA - Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 22:27:10 (ZULU)

Steve,

Are you sure it ain't B.O.? I'm sure it's not you, but someone needs a bath.

Sean T.
Winterpeg, Manisnowba,, The Good Neighbors - Thursday, November 6, 2008, at 23:06:32 (ZULU)

Today's smile - it's a visual...

http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2008/11/transition-imagery.html

Rod Regier
halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, November 7, 2008, at 00:10:08 (ZULU)

Lindy; Despite screw-up after screw-up, lie after lie, high crimes and higher crimes the media covered for Clinton for eight years. They covered for him so thoroughly that - even after leaving office - he was unable to maintain his composure when Chris Wallace asked him a question that wouldn't have made Gingrich break stride.

If this little guy demanded the liquidation of the Bourgeoisie Chris Matthews would rhapsodize about the thrill running up his leg.

CDC'
Friday, November 7, 2008, at 00:50:52 (ZULU)

Click. Old bastard expresses displeasure at being ticketed.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, November 7, 2008, at 14:08:10 (ZULU)

Guys, where could I get an AR upper in .308, and how much should it cost? I've got a guy offering me good deals on a coupla DPMS .308 lowers and an AR in 7.62 X 39. All of this stuff is DPMS, and NIB. The DPMS site only shows parts for he uppers, not assembled ones.

Also, what are your thoughts on the 7.62X39 AR?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, November 7, 2008, at 15:43:45 (ZULU)

Very interesting video:

http://www.nmatv.com/nvembed.swf?key=205091e18d1140e9f38c

Click my name.

Darren
East Bay, California, USA - Friday, November 7, 2008, at 16:00:39 (ZULU)

Darren,

That guy cracked me up with what apears to be balls on his chin, and statements like the following:

".....a financial desert where it yields very little precipitation, ya dig?"

"We oughta start calling Barack Obama 'Joe the Plumber', because his tax plan's gonna bend America over and lay some serious pipe, ya now what I'm sayin'?"

Definitely smarter than he looks. Hope he spreads the word to the homies. He knows his shit, he just needs to slow down.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, November 7, 2008, at 16:16:27 (ZULU)

Travis,

Try Armalite. They show complete uppers as well as kits for the AR-10.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The windy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Friday, November 7, 2008, at 18:45:46 (ZULU)

I can't imagine the media turning against him very much. He has this Christ like appeal to them. Have you seen Kieth Olberman and that dyke sidekick of his on MSNBC? They could gag a maggot. I'm sure when promises are broken he'll talk them into accepting it by saying the Republicans had if fucked up even more than we knew at the time.

He is the slickest politician I've ever seen and I believe he'll talk his way through anything. I hope I'm wrong but I bet he gets away with alot of shit for a long time.

I'm hoping for the best and preparing for the worst.

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Friday, November 7, 2008, at 20:49:41 (ZULU)

Is it wrong to pray ??

UnPat

UnPat
Saturday, November 8, 2008, at 05:25:11 (ZULU)

MarcS: I do believe you're right. If you thought slick willie got away with a ton of shit, stand back 'cause this prick is about to set records!!! Hopefully the repubs that voted for him to stick it in the gop's eye will get enough of his bs soon enough and won't vote for him again in 2012.

Joe

Joe Ducos
Turlock, ca, USA - Saturday, November 8, 2008, at 07:49:01 (ZULU)

UnPat...

I may be treading on thin ice here.

IMO, and looking at the broader context, some skinhead getting lucky would be the WORST thing that could happen. Obama can and by all indications, he WILL do some damage to the traditional American way of life, no question.

However, race relations in this country are not good. I spend time in the cities of Milwaukee and Chicago, I blog, I read. I was part of the original wave of school integration as a child. My mom was a liberal activist and worked with Father James Groppi in the 70s. While there are still pockets of white people that are extremely prejudiced, white people overwhelmingly proved on Nov. 4th that by and large, racism by white people is rapidly headed toward the door.

Blacks, on the other hand, still nurture a fundamental hate of white people. (The exception to this are the ones that other blacks call "Uncle Tom") Black culture is pretty self destructive, and their society remains a generally underachieving sort. Whitey is still a boogeyman and excuse that even their churches use to this day to rationalize why a large portion of inner city black culture remains unsuccessful. Again, the election demographics prove this....94% of blacks voted for Obama, and by all accounts none of them are shy about admitting that they voted for him BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. If that isn't racist, I don't know what is.

If Obama gets whacked, it would light the fuse on a very large powder keg and permanently damage any chance at mutual acceptance by whites and blacks.

This is one area of American society that Obama is truly in a position to make strides in, if he handles it right. I am hopeful he is smart enough to see that this is the one area that he could truly make a positive and historical impact on our beloved country.

Geoff M
WI, USA - Saturday, November 8, 2008, at 11:27:28 (ZULU)

Travis

E-Mail inbound. (DPMS)

Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Saturday, November 8, 2008, at 12:44:13 (ZULU)

Geoff...

Very well said.

While we may not like Obama's political position on many issues, an assassination would leave this country in flames, and the wounds would NEVER heal.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, November 8, 2008, at 12:56:16 (ZULU)

The WORST thing that could happen is the "lucky skinhead" scenario.

History is full of such incidents. The reactions are overwhelming.

In Julius Ceasar, Shakespeare describes the mob's reaction and politicians' machinations. Click. Check out Act III Scenes II and III.

Then read Act IV scene I. It is easy to picture people like Schumer in that room deciding who lives and dies.

Geoff wrote: "...mutual acceptance by whites and blacks...is one area of American society that Obama is truly in a position to make strides in, if he handles it right. I am hopeful he is smart enough to see that this is the one area that he could truly make a positive and historical..."

That would be nice. But without the Devil, preachers wouldn't have jobs.

CDC'
Saturday, November 8, 2008, at 14:59:15 (ZULU)

That, and assassination makes heros and martyrs out of otherwise useless Presidents who would be rightly condemned had they simply finished their terms(Lincoln, JFK being two in particular).

S/F....Ken M

Ken M
Saturday, November 8, 2008, at 16:35:30 (ZULU)

"I am hopeful he is smart enough to see that this is the one area that he could truly make a positive and historical impact on our beloved country."

He hand his associates have proven they could care less about that. They want to hurt this nation. Obama, Bill Ayers, and the rest want revenge. They all have their individual reasons but none want what is best for everybody and this nation. Like temper tantrum children they will do what they want.

Hank
Saturday, November 8, 2008, at 16:37:18 (ZULU)

I forgot to add the link. Click.

Act III Scenes II and III and Act IV scene I.

CDC'
Saturday, November 8, 2008, at 18:59:48 (ZULU)

Just a little sarcastic humor....Dont take it personal.

FWIW.If Pres Elect were to go out.That leaves us the Vice.And he's worse.

UnPat
Saturday, November 8, 2008, at 22:19:44 (ZULU)

"Without the devil, preachers would'nt have a job"

CDC,

People give the devil waaayyy too much credit for wreaking havok on individuals or society when the biggest problem we have is dealing with our own spirits, attitudes, idiologies, and "flesh". Pride can and will bring any individual down.

Scott F.
Hillbillyland, - Saturday, November 8, 2008, at 22:25:32 (ZULU)

Number three in the prez succession is Pelosi. Screw that.

Scott F.: What I meant was, though Obama is in position to improve race relations, it may not be in his political interest. Without perceived racism he can't play the race card.

CDC'
Saturday, November 8, 2008, at 22:29:14 (ZULU)

Not only would he not be able to play the card but it would also put the likes of Jackson and Sharpton out of work.

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 02:53:29 (ZULU)

Check test.....

Wow..... I had to remember what an ancient email address of mine was..... hadn't used that one in, oh, many years......

Means it's been too long since I've been here, eh?

Funny, how certain things bring us out of the woodwork......

Thought y'all might want to chew on this, if you hadn't seen it:

http://www.carolinajournal.com/articles/display_story.html?id=5081

I need to stick around and not go to ground again, too.......

Leslie
Kpt, TN, USA - Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 06:05:18 (ZULU)

And..... how the heck do you change your email address here??? I'm logged in, using one that doesn't exist anymore.......

Leslie
Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 06:13:03 (ZULU)

CDC...

>"Number three in the prez succession is Pelosi. Screw that."<

I was having lunch with some friends and the topic came up. One of the guys said that the best life insurance Obama could have is not Loyd's of London...

... it was Biden-Pelosi :))))))))))))))

Leslie...

Email Ken hunter and he can fix it. He has a post about 20 posts up that says "done".

Click the envelope and contact him.

Good link on the 401k accounts - I had heard of this and told some very left leaning folks about it, and they said I was lying.

HA! Double HA!! on them (as the Orginal Pat would say!)

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 08:05:45 (ZULU)

Leslie - click on the email icon on this message and shoot me a note (via the roster email system) with your new email addy....

Take care,

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Conservatives headed for exile - Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 12:35:28 (ZULU)

There may be attempts to eliminate the tax deductibility of the employer's contributions to 401(K) plans. The liberals don't like money which is not under their control, and they want their subjects dependent on the government.

I doubt that they will succeed in taking over existing 401(K) plans, because if they try that, before the bill takes effect, everyone who has a 401(K) plan will do exactly what I will do if they try. I will withdraw all of the money from the plan, and close it.

That will mean taking a big tax hit. It will also mean a stock market crash as people have to sell off the assets in those plans.

The professor who proposed that is smoking crack.

If you're not familiar with the New School for Social Research, it's a hotbed of socialists/communists in New York.

They believe they know best how all of us should run our lives - and they're prepared to impose that belief with force on the rest of us, who they believe are too stupid to manage our own affairs without their guidance.

Lindy
Rockport, TX, - Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 14:01:50 (ZULU)

Geoff,

Fuck 'em. If they wanna get shot while rioting and looting, so be it. We just need some public officials with the balls to declare martial law when the folks in the 'hood decide they're gonna take over; They don't own anything, are eiter on public assistance, or make their money illegally, and never pay for the damages they cause when they decide to riot over their football hero being arrested, the home team losing(or winning), a rapper being caught videoing himself molesting children, etc.. By rioting in support of that type of behavior, they're voicing their approval of it, and identifying themselves as people that need to be culled from society.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 14:57:18 (ZULU)

reloading equipment country:

I've discovered part of my Lee Loadmaster problem that I discussed earlier.

With all the operating levers disconnected and the parts cleaned and lubed, the upper part of the ram tube reciprocates freely, while the lower portion strongly binds.

Once I detail stripped the ram assembly, discovered there are dents on the lower part of the tube, I'll try stoning/smoothing and see if that helps.

Replacement ram is $10 plus shipping, will order one if necessary.

I've already ordered a replacement carbide sizing die.

Rod Regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 15:05:48 (ZULU)

Watching late night C-Span, there was a broadcast of Bork discussing judicial activism. Apparently it's a problem internationally, not just in the USA. Bork didn't pull any punches, and was brutal towards a number of former and current Supreme Court Justices, citing a number of cases and how individual justices ruled.

Bork shared a story, where he was at a conference where several professors of constitutional law were in attendance. He had a conversation with a Harvard professor, who said [sic] "I don't understand why you think the constitution is/has a legal foundation/basis." or something like that.

Bork's dialogue was brilliant, but I'm afraid he's not long for this world. I didn't recognize him, without the caption indicating who he was.

I'm getting old. I should be catting around on Saturday nights, instead of watching Judicial/Political analysis on C-Span.

Duman
Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 15:17:56 (ZULU)

Clicky. Very funny.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 16:16:12 (ZULU)

Travis: If ever we have an elected official comfortable with martial law--I'll look again at those so called rioters grievances....they most assuredly have a point with their protests despite being carried away with it.

Duman, I was still a kid with ambitions when Bork got "Borked." I thought he was the most brillieant legal scholar of his time, and when he was railroaded off the nomination....that was the crux event in how I view this country's future. It woke my ass up. It got me to think---lotsa thought--about the implication of our handing the societal leaches the keys to our national bloodbank. Bork was my very first "good God!...we are screwed..." moments in life. Sad day...

Joe M
Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 16:35:44 (ZULU)

Ken, new addy sent.

Leslie
Kpt, TN, - Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 17:17:36 (ZULU)

Gentlemen, and Ladies,

Philosophicize (?) and reminisce with me for a moment. Issues, and issues of the day. What is first and foremost on your mind, and your largest worry. Also, what are you happy about the most. All that stuff that is spinning around up there.

Now, for the moment, let me just say one word.

CHILE

I don't know what it does for you, but for me, it reminds me of a time when things were different. Priorities were different. So were the goals. Worries existed, but for other reasons. And yet, there was also that same old controversy of how it is properly spelled.

I say this out of the utmost of respect. And dignity. Just a reminder of where we have been, and where we are going. In such a short time. Yet seems so long, as well.

What is next, around the corner? Aside from that, forget for a moment the 'what need I prepare for'. How about a "Revel in what we have" moment.

I'm not saying to give up, or anything like that. Not at all. I'm only saying to stand solidly where you are, and appreciate what you have, in all things.

Reminisce, value, cherish. Better grounding, so to speak.

I understand that there are some who won't have a clue of what I'm talking about. I accept that. I also know that there will be many who do. I'm not sitting atop a mountain, or anything profound like that. I'm just trying to bolster what is real, and what exists.

It wasn't that long ago, when things were totally different, was it? Sure, I've made a few jokes about the latest changes. I'm not joking about this though. That one word does it for me. Because there is so much connected to it. I pray that it works for you, too.

Philosophy session over, back to the regularly scheduled politics and stuff.

Sean T.
Winnipeg, Manitoba, (about 3" of snow, staying), Canada - Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 17:30:22 (ZULU)

Received from a friend:

The Forrest Gump Perspective on the Financial Crisis

Mortgage Backed Securities are like boxes of chocolates. Criminals on Wall Street stole a few chocolates from the boxes and replaced them with turds. Their criminal buddies at Standard & Poor rated these boxes AAA Investment Grade chocolates. These boxes were then sold all over the world to investors. Eventually somebody bites into a turd and discovers the crime. Suddenly nobody trusts American chocolates anymore worldwide.

Hank Paulson now wants the American taxpayers to buy up and hold all these boxes of turd-infested chocolates for $700 billion dollars until the market for turds returns to normal. Meanwhile, Hank's buddies, the Wall Street criminals who stole all the good chocolates are not being investigated, arrested, or indicted.

Mama always said: 'Sniff the chocolate s first, Forrest'.

Quote of the day from a fund manager:

'This is worse than a divorce... I've lost half of my net worth and I still have my wife..'

The bailout, a different perspective

Back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They failed and it closed. Now we are trusting the economy of our country to a pack of nit-wits who couldn't make money running a whore house and selling booze?

Lindy
Rockport, Texas, - Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 19:48:22 (ZULU)

test

nanzano
Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 22:03:46 (ZULU)

This morning, from a cave somewhere in Pakistan, Taliban Minister of Migration Mohammed Omar, warned the United States that if military actions against Iraq continues, Taliban authorities intend to cut off America's migration supply of Convenience Store Managers and possibly Motel 6 Managers. And if this action does not yield sufficient results, Cab Driver's will be next, followed by DELL and AOL Customer Service Reps. Finally, if all else fails, they have threatened to send us no more candidates for President of the United States!

It's gonna get Ugly!!!!!!

Lindy
Rockport, Texas, - Sunday, November 9, 2008, at 23:59:51 (ZULU)

For Sale.......

Old beat up AR15 - price including shipping $25,000.

One mag to go with it - $1,000.

One box of high quality Wolf ammo - $100

This is a steal folks, end your panic buying here! Don't wait until the next homeland security weapon ban.... Get screwed now!

I've seen enough today, Bolt out!

Bolt
Bafoogled in......, NC, - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 01:09:56 (ZULU)

Lindy...

Welcome home, Cowboy! :)))

My son and I just got up off the floor.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 01:13:31 (ZULU)

Gets better day-by-day....

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081109/D94BM1O00.html

ARGH!!!

Leslie
Kpt, TN, - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 01:30:14 (ZULU)

Leslie: Good to see you back.

CDC'
Monday, November 10, 2008, at 03:35:52 (ZULU)

I shouldn't have ever left..... :~\

I was just busy w/ kids, the Rover, work.... wasn't getting *any* trigger time.

But, the other day..... well, a couple of weeks before the election....

I have to admit, maybe my perspective is skewed being in East TN, but, this is McCain country, I just kinda thought, surely everyone isn't really having the wool pulled over their eyes..... well, I was proven wrong..... :(

But before the election, I was at a buddy's shop, had just popped in to say hi, and he dragged my back to his office to show me what he'd just gotten, an nice RRA M4.... and, it was like someone set a bell down over my head and started ringing on it hard...... I kinda had that feelin' that, to borrow a line from one of my favorite songs, "And then one day you find ten years have got behind you No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"....

So..... I've got the ol' Rover runnin' again, one kid's off to college now, it's time to see if I can remember anything about which end of a rifle the round comes out of..... lol.......

A couple of other things I've seen that bother me......

Not like we didn't know it was coming, but......

If you go to : http://change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy you'll probably find that page pulled. But if you google it and call up the cached version of it, you will find this statement in there : "[I]Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.[/I]

Now, if I can find the video over on youtube again, of O wanting to start a civilian defense force....

Leslie
Kpt, TN, - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 05:38:36 (ZULU)

Found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

Leslie
Kpt, TN, - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 05:49:23 (ZULU)

Oh.....

One other thing......

Happy Birthday!

Semper Fi......

Leslie
Kpt, TN, - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 05:50:29 (ZULU)

"We were always playing on the white man's court, Ray had told me, by the white man' rules...any distinction between good and bad whites held negligible meaning...the only thing you could choose a your own was a withdrawal into a smaller and smaller coil of rage..."

- Barak Obama

Click

We live in interesting times.

CDC'
Monday, November 10, 2008, at 06:59:43 (ZULU)

Its gettin scarier by the hour and the guy hasnt taken office yet.

How will repealing the Tiahrt Amendment REDUCE gun violence?That Amendment was put in place to protect Confidential info.Info like witness's,LEO's and informer's names,address's and things like that.Info like that in the open would make a shortage of witness's,LEO's and informer's.

So that leaves my family's protection in the hands of a Civilian Defense force....Dont know about whats around your guys places,but here most of my neighbors are life time fill ins and subscribers of the Jerry Springer Show.I cant trust them with a six pak of Bud.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 12:11:03 (ZULU)

Firearm question

I was given a 22 autoloader rifle this weekend. I have no idea who made it. I'll discribe it the best i can. 22 cal. loads through the stock. The stock is two pieces. The 2 pieces are joined with a 1 inch steel band at the front sling swivel. The stock goes to about 1 inch of the end of the barrel The stock also has a cheek piece. There are no markings on the gun except a B on the right side of the barrel. It has a Weaver G8 scope that says patent ped. Elpaso TX.

If any of you are interested i could E-Mail a picture. She's a little rusty, but i need a winter project any way.

Gary Kaney
NW, ILL, - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 12:45:20 (ZULU)

Geez unpat,

Don't you get it ? It ain't about crime, it's about control ! A firearm give you the means ( but not the will ) to say "no" to tyranny. Tyrants fear that ability. Any questions ? Same thing applies to personal info.. It's a power grab pure and simple.

Stay safe

Calvin

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 12:53:11 (ZULU)

Happy Birthday to all of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children!

Pat II
Monday, November 10, 2008, at 15:13:46 (ZULU)

Where can i find 20 and 30 rd mags. for my DPMS 308LR? I'm not having any luck anywhere.

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 15:27:36 (ZULU)

Happy 233rd Birthday to the USMC.

Cheers & Semper Fi from an old Navy squid,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The chilly Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 15:30:55 (ZULU)

Sean T: I was reading the posts and getting high RPMs on the politics...when I hit your post: Chile. I was reminded of a man, Bruce, who did much for our troops. Bravo and I polished his memorial at Badlands one day, and the photo sits on my desktop. That word is more than a spirited discussion here...it brings to life characters past and present:)

I am about to sell my DPMS LR260, badger base and rings, JP trigger, ACE stock/ A2 stock, Pelican 1700 case, an ergo grip and the A2 grip, harris bipod, 250 once-fired, 250 brand new remmy brass, and a nightforce scope. But before I could craft the ad for the emporium...the scope sold. I'll have the new ad up tonight. Nothing wrong with it at all...few rounds thru it(in fact, only half the once-fired came out of this tube--the rest are from my son's riffle). My selling is a nod to the sad fact that I cannot afford multiple calibers right now and that I would rather pay off bills asap. Divorce is a cesspit for all involved...

Joe M
Monday, November 10, 2008, at 15:37:25 (ZULU)

Well once i removed some grud from the barrel i found this little 22 to be a Mossberg 151M (b)

Gary Kaney
NW, IL, - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 15:48:13 (ZULU)

Joe M; you got it. I respect the man, of course. I was also just thinking about the controversy that was here for a while regarding the spelling. And what tribulations we all had at that time. Compare the 'then to now', and perceive the doubling of same.

Where are we going to be? Things were a lot different back then. To get people to focus on that perspective, I couldn't think of a better waypoint, or milestone, than that great man.

Perspective, and respect. That's all I'm trying to bring out. I truly was hoping for more than one to 'know' of what I was speaking.

As to shooting, I'm proud to say that we feel that we have the most armed church in the province, and possibly the country! (pun intended) We have a hunting group, and another member just went and picked up a reloading outfit this past thursday. Then he brings it to my door, to show him how to do it all. Bringing another into the fold!

It seems, that all my talk of the 'long range precision' has bitten others, and is expanding their ideas of what's possible. I'm just keeping at it. And at the range, we play our own type of golf. ;) ;))

Sean T.
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 16:19:22 (ZULU)

Gary:

http://www.havlinsales.com/

Welcome to Havlin Sales & Service, your one-stop shopping site for Mossberg® parts. Established as a mail-order Mossberg parts company in 1988 by Victor and Cheryl Havlin, Havlin Sales & Service specializes in parts for obsolete models, but also carries quite a few parts and accessories for current production shotguns as well.

Rod Regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 16:32:48 (ZULU)

CDC,

Understood. Truly the insights of you and the rest of this gang are somewhat mindnumbing at times. I feel like Cheeta the chimp listening Plutarch, Plato, Aristotle, and Paul at times around here.

So here's my quizzy for today.

"If" Obama has Islamic ties and has proposed support to the Palestinians, but then claims to be a "Christian", would that not be cause for a "fatwa"(sp) against him? Especially since Islamic law would deem his "Christian" ties as blasphemy. Then this yahoo goes and hires a Jew as his chief of staff!

To say that His thoughts are above our thoughts is an understatement...

Scott F.
Hillbillyland, - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 18:36:48 (ZULU)

Guys, my phone is officially DOA after 5 good years of service.

Gotta get a new one, probably here in a week or so. I'm not paying the "new" prices.

If you need to get ahold of me, I'll start checking the home e-mail more regularly. Don't be afraid to call me at work, or use the work e-mail addy either.

Worst case is I'll say "there's an explosion, gotta go" ;-)

I'm hoping I can find the little disk with the back-up done a year or so ago. Elsewise, all those phone numbers, addresses, etc are "lost". Some great good friends in there, I never could bring myself to delete.....

And yes, Bruce was among those. I still miss Bruce.

As for "panic buying", I've got a question for you. How long have I been preaching "beans, bullets, and bandaids"? I'll keep on doing what I've been doing for years now...... but the tinfoil hat doesn't appear so odd any more, eh?

And yes, I miss being able to get chile that doesn't taste like red cardboard.

Assuming that nobody cares about ospama not proving proof that he's Constitutionally able to accept the presidency (he hasn't yet provided a certificate of live birth showing that he's a native born citizen), we're going to be in for a long dry spell.

Or as I call it, the end of the Republic as we know it.

And I feel fine. (apologies to REM)

At this point, remember that the president doesn't have much in the way of Constitutional authority. Nevermind the "executive orders" which have no Constitutional backing - the real power lies with congress.

If you haven't hounded your congresscritters in a while, remind them that you're still here. Remind them that you're watching their EVERY vote, now that things have gone wonky. And remind them that if they vote contrary to what you prefer, there are a goodly amount of disenfranchised voters that would love to sign a recall petition. They might not lose the seat, but they surely will have to pay for it - and in the PRK, that meant a loss in the next election cycle! Mostly though, remind them that if certain legislation passes - and you don't read about THEM PERSONALLY leading the effort for fillibuster - you're going to HOLD THEM PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE.

Classic carrot and stick.

Bravo
Monday, November 10, 2008, at 19:15:07 (ZULU)

Bravo,

What are you looking for in a new (old) phone? CDMA, TDMA, digital, analog....spell it out. I may have one for ya'

roster mail works for me

medicjim
Monday, November 10, 2008, at 19:43:35 (ZULU)

LOL! We just had a new Congressman elected here, I've already been sending emails and he's not even taken office yet, but will start following up w/ snail-mail, too.....

Leslie
Monday, November 10, 2008, at 19:48:49 (ZULU)

Scott F,

If your so inclined might I be so bold as to suggest looking up the doctrine of "Taqiyya" That may answer some of your questions.. Here's a fair place to start...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023454.php#more

Watch your six

Calvin

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 20:27:51 (ZULU)

Calvin,

Thanks for the info. I'll be the first to plead ignorance to the Islamic situation.

On another note- "The Global Poverty Act" that I'm sure has been mentioned before, could be ratified by the senate, as has already been passed by the house, if I'm not mistaken, has attached to it a ban on all small arms. This attachment comes by way of alignement with U.N. international law. If this is the case, would this render the 2nd Amendment moot and allow these nuckle heads to circumvent the 2nd Amendment?

Scott F.
Hillbillyland, - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 20:59:50 (ZULU)

Scott F,

Time to go back to the basics... As Mao said " all power comes form the barrel of a gun". True enough if you mean all force. But where doe's the moral authority come from ? "We the people" derive our political authority from "the laws of Nature and of Nature's God" So the supreme earthly power to be armed is ours..

Sure you can abdicate your rights as a citizen and give up the tools to protect you and your family but morally, a 'right' can never be taken away, only surrendered. The choice is yours as to what you do..

Now as to the future of such things... I'll throw out my thoughts for you to ponder.. There won't dump trucks running around collecting guns ( just yet ) but the powers that be will do stuff like deny your drivers license or deny you home owner's insurance so you can't get a loan. Maybe even deny your children medical aid as they live in a house 'with guns' and it's 'to dangerous'. They will enlist armies of Oprahs to tell us and our spouses ' what's good for us'.... Oh and maybe just for kicks they will offer a 50 dollar food chit per gun for who ever turns in their neighbor........ Just my ramblings...

Stay safe

Calvin

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Monday, November 10, 2008, at 21:49:58 (ZULU)

Bravo,

Now, I'm surprised you got a whole 5-years out of that old phone. I figured you wore-out a phone every couple of months.... :8-p

Can you pull the SIM card, and download it? Should be easy enough, but it depends on the phone. 5-years is ~3 design cycles in this bidness.

If you've had the phone that long, won't the service provider cut you a deal on a new phone?

Duman
Monday, November 10, 2008, at 23:32:51 (ZULU)

Calvin,

I,see your direction. For those who may agree or disagree, it will follow the same path as "take a number to be able to receive food for your children".

Believe or not, its coming, much sooner than we realize.

Scott F.
Hillbillyland, - Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 01:07:09 (ZULU)

Calvin,

Your right.I dont get it.

There's lots of things I dont get.

Some of the things I dont get is how the media could find something on an almost weekly basis that exposed what kind of leader BO would make.The info was there,ya didnt have to watch the debates,or hear the campaign ads to fill in the blanks.It was there.

But the biggest thing I dont get? 2/3 of this Nation voted for the bastard anyway.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 10:21:29 (ZULU)

UnPat...

I don't get it either.

I know a woman that voted for Obama. College edjamakated, works in an "intelligent" environment... We have been chatting via e-mail, and:

She is totally unaware of the schism between Michelle and Hillary.

She is totally unaware of the racist remarks made by Hillary about Ghandi working in a 7-11.

She is totally unaware of the past with Obama, id est - Bill Ayers, Rev Wright, Acorn, yadda, yadda, yadda.

She knows nothing about the plan to absorb 401k's into SSI. She thinks that he won't raise her taxes - directly or indirectly.

She thinks the country can go completely green in 2 to 3 years (no oil or fossil fuel products).

She has no idea where electricity comes from. When told that it comes 60% from coal, she said we can dam the rivers and shut down the all of the coal mines.

I could go on for about 8 pages.

To say I was shocked at her lack of knowledge about how the world works would be the understatement of the year.

But what it DID bring home to me was what a piss-poor job the news media is doing to inform the public - media news is now just entertainment.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 11:05:44 (ZULU)

To All Who Served and to all who are serving,

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE !

Lito', unpat,

Folks only see what they want to see.. the level of intellectual curiosity ( and self preservation ) in this country is in negative numbers.. whilst on the other hand the level of apathy is off the charts. Not to mention the self delusion of the masses....

Shaking my head ruefully

Calvin

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 11:19:56 (ZULU)

cell phone country:

If it's "just" the battery, you may be able to purchase a replacement, which would at least allow you to retrieve the number data.

These folks have good prices and service:

http://www.wirelessgalaxy.com/

There is software (which some cell carriers will also offer as a service) for transferring address book data from/to cell phones for backup and update purposes. This is really handy for non-SIM card equipped phones. You'll need a compatible cable and access to a working PC configuration that supports your transfer software.

I'm using the Data Pilot software for that usage.

http://www.datapilot.com/

Datapilot sells cables too.

As a general note, I recommend such software for any cell phone user. It permits making periodic backups of the address book, which helps takes a lot of the pain out of loss, destruction or terminal failure of a cell phone.

Rod Regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 12:38:57 (ZULU)

Pablo: "But what it DID bring home to me was what a piss-poor job the news media is doing to inform the public - media news is now just entertainment."

I WISH it was "just entertainment". It is something much worse.

"I am gross and perverted

I'm obsessed 'n deranged

I have existed for years

But very little had changed

I am the tool of the Government

And industry too

For I am destined to rule

And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious

But you can't look away

I make you think I'm delicious

With the stuff that I say

I am the best you can get

Have you guessed me yet?

I am the slime oozin' out

From your TV set

"You will obey me while I lead you

And eat the garbage that I feed you

Until the day that we don't need you

Don't got for help...no one will heed you

Your mind is totally controlled

It has been stuffed into my mold

And you will do as you are told

Until the rights to you are sold

"That's right, folks..

Don't touch that dial

"Well, I am the slime from your video

Oozin' along on your livin'room floor

"I am the slime from your video

Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go"

I am The Slime___Frank Zappa

CDC'
Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 13:54:51 (ZULU)

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=1268724841&topic=h

We will not tire,

we will not waver,

we will not falter,

and we will NOT fail.

sinister
Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 15:57:50 (ZULU)

sinister: I hope you are right.

100+ rnds .338 win ammo free to a good home. 44 250 gr Nosler Partitions. The rest is nice, calm 200 gr Hornadys.

CDC'
Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 17:53:33 (ZULU)

Thank you to all Veterans that have served and to all that are still serving.

JLU

Joe Udelhofen
Oconomowoc, WI, USA - Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 21:19:06 (ZULU)

Happy Veterans Day to all.

Spent the weekend deer and pheasant hunting. Life could be a lot worse.

Pat II
Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 21:34:38 (ZULU)

L.A. County sheriff vows crackdown on armed deputies drinking alcohol

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm surprised that all Police/LEO Depts. don't prohibit officers from carrying weapons while under the influence.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov...me-influence11

It's a damned shame that it took a drunk L.A. Sheriff's deputy blowing his fellow Marine's head off in his front yard for this shit to be taken seriously.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, November 12, 2008, at 02:32:47 (ZULU)

The Democrat Party's proposed Keynesian "economic stimulus" is an example of Bastiat's "broken window fallacy". (Click) Keynes' economics theories don't work and they have never worked in terms of economics. Politically they can work great. Just ask Alexis de Tocqueville. The "stimulus package" could be called the "2008 Vote Yourself Rich Act". It will stimulate nothing. It never does.

CDC'
Wednesday, November 12, 2008, at 07:45:33 (ZULU)

CDC',

Thank you for the links and analysis. My head is focused on technology and teaching these days, and everytime I think I'm making intellectual progress, you drop a link to show me how little I really know. (That's a compliment).

Please keep the information coming, at your convenience of course.

Duman

Duman
Wednesday, November 12, 2008, at 15:37:36 (ZULU)

Duman: "...how little I really know."

Me too.

That was posted after just one (!) too many glasses of box-wine and way off topic. For anyone who didn't read it and who cares, here's the bumper-sticker summary: If the government sends A $1,000 to piss away, they have to get it from B who earned it and has other plans for it. Letting B keep his money preserves work incentives for both of them. Both will be more productive, as will the economy in general.

“America will last until the populace discovers that it can vote for itself largesse out of the public treasury.” — Alexis De Tocqueville

I'll try to stay on topic more.

CDC'
Wednesday, November 12, 2008, at 17:29:29 (ZULU)

CDC said: The Democrat Party's proposed Keynesian "economic stimulus"...

Would ospama be considered the democratic party's proposed Kenyan "economic stimulus"?

Yes, yes, I know. That was humor just for me.

Bravo
Wednesday, November 12, 2008, at 18:53:36 (ZULU)

Paulson, the guy who said "if we do not get this bailout money, by the weekend the markets will collapse"---he now has decided, with the money on hand, that buying the securitized mortgages (the poison he was so alarmist about just weeks ago) is not such a good idea after all. He now thinks he will just pass the money out as he sees fit. For their part, large banks are printing bonus checks for their top managers, secure in the knowledge that one of their own has ready cash to help out. Funny thing happened when treasury got their 3/4 trillion' bucks from the taxpayer; they found that the problem that prompted the money isn't worthy of the money. Holy buckets. HTF do ya cry the sky is falling for that kind of jack and then, well, just "never mind" it?

On another front: a credit rating agency player is speculating out loud that the US will default, and that the aaa rating is probably downgraded already by events, if not actual scrores. OK, even if no one downgrades it--the word is out. Psychology is the big x-factor, dudes.

If you are not scared, enjoy your ignorance. I would too but for my damnable curiosity.

Joe M
Wednesday, November 12, 2008, at 19:37:08 (ZULU)

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