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'Lito said, "I must be some kind of anarchist misfit or somfin'."

Yeah, you are. The average couple in the 55-64 age range has a net worth of around $35,000 exclusive of the equity in their home - and guess what just happened to that equity?

And a lot of folks have a very negative net worth. Times are tough for them and are going to get tougher. Our economy has existed for years on a giant bubble of credit - and the bubble has burst.

I have charge cards - with $75K+ worth of unused lines of credit, which will remain so, except for what I charge and pay off every month just to save carrying around cash.

I have some small loans on my truck and home - which I can write checks to pay off if need be. And youngest daughter will graduate from college next May, and her bills until then are paid for.

I hope the market goes a bit lower - I've got some cash I want to put to work.

Lindy
Rockport, Northern Occupied Territory of Mexico, U.S.A. - Wednesday, October 1, 2008, at 03:12:07 (ZULU)

Medic jim

I've got a Kahles scope. Kenton doesn't offer anything for it. It's the Multi-Zero model, i'll just live with what i got. Thanks for the info.

Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Wednesday, October 1, 2008, at 11:08:07 (ZULU)

CDC, All --

remember that video on u-tube a few days ago - that had the background music and the info that points to Oblama and his allies with the CRA, fannie mae, etc...????

Seems it got pulled from U-tube due to copyright issues via Warner Music... ya right.. we hear background music all the time....

This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Warner Music Group

Okay - chop the music out and repost it....

Sounds like that video was hitting close to home for Oblama-nites.....

Take care,

Ken Hunter

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Wednesday, October 1, 2008, at 14:24:18 (ZULU)

Ken, the ospama campaign has also done the same thing with the NRA ads.

Three of 'em were showing in (IIRC) Pennsylvania because that's a 'swing state'. None of what was said in the ads registered as 'untrue'.

That didn't stop - and hasn't yet - the ospama campaign from threatening the stations that show those ads. The threat? Pulling their FCC license.

They even attempted to get an injunction to force stations to quit showing the NRA ads.

So it seems, at least in this case, that ospama's actions show he's clearly almost as anti-First Amendment as john mcstain.

After all, mcstain's legislation (the law that bears his name)didn't just stop THOSE ads, it made it illegal for YOU AND ME to do the same thing.

Gee - with two weiners like that, I'm wondering who I should vote for: the Libertarians or the Constitution Party.

Bravo
Wednesday, October 1, 2008, at 15:27:07 (ZULU)

Joe (on Python quote):

I would have guess "Meaning of Life", but I didn't see most of

"The Life of Brian".

Python trivia: Did you notice that in subsequent performances of the dead parrot sketch, the indicated voltage keeps increasing?

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, October 1, 2008, at 16:23:46 (ZULU)

Bankruptcy not Bailout.

One of the best explanations (succinct and to the point) that I have read thus far....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/29/miron.bailout/index.html?eref=rss_mostpopular

LTChip
Wednesday, October 1, 2008, at 16:43:37 (ZULU)

Rod,

Joe's quote was from a song... well worth the time to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

His post will deliver up some delicious irony once you've seen the context of the song and listened to the full lyrics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i35WRFDcKGo

medicjim
Wednesday, October 1, 2008, at 16:57:34 (ZULU)

Just finished UC and EF&D. UC was a lot like a Tom Clancy novel, a lot of simultanious plot strings tied up at the end. EF&D reminded me of a Stephen Hunter novel. Both DAMN GOOD "fiction"

Charles Hunt for fishin' you need a bow & arrow ; )

Why is it every time Washington and New York throw a depression we end up with more socialism?

No oppinions on downloading a .17 fireball for grays?

4eyes
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Wednesday, October 1, 2008, at 22:43:44 (ZULU)

4eyes

EF&D is #1 of a trilogy.

#2 is out, it's good too. "Domestic Enemies: The Reconquista" by Matthew Bracken

#3 is being written now.

If you enjoyed those, I would also suggest:

"The Black Arrow: A Tale of the Resistance" by Vin Suprynowicz

"Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse: A Novel of the Turbulent Near Future" by James Wesley Rawles

( novel set in the near future that describes a full scale socioeconomic collapse) - rather erie given the current credit meltdown.

"Molon Labe!" by Boston T. Party

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 01:19:04 (ZULU)

Medicjim:

Ok, watched the clips. Classic Python.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 01:20:55 (ZULU)

Hey Eyes...

"No oppinions on downloading a .17 fireball for grays? "

Small bore bottleneck cartridges don't take too well to down loading.

Light loads for the 17 FurBall are still in the 3,000+ fps class, and that's pretty snappy for Grays.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 01:44:30 (ZULU)

Civilization is so brittle.

Some mean, merciless and powerful people - both foreign and domestic - are looking to take us down. By "Us" I mean "Bitter Clingers". We are badly outnumbered.

CDC'
Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 03:12:46 (ZULU)

CDC...

>"Some mean, merciless and powerful people - both foreign and domestic - are looking to take us down. By "Us" I mean "Bitter Clingers". We are badly outnumbered."<

I guess I fall into that group, and I think the "numbers" are getting worse each generation.

The bigger the percentage of people that have nothing to loose by big government, the bigger the percentage of people that want big government.

We (the collective) made a terrible mistake by adapting Johnson's "Great Society" model.

At the time, Johnson said, "If we get this passed, we'll own the black vote for 100 years." - and now, you can add the Mexican vote to that... we have 57 more years to go :((

The liberals want a social state, where all the under class (non-government workers) are dependent on the government for their safety, their health care, their income, etc....

... and with the state of education as it is now, the public is ready to throw in the towel for some (ANY) security.

The more unstable things are, the more people want socialism...

... the more stable things are, the more the people want freedom and capitalism.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 09:53:25 (ZULU)

"The communist's means of persuasion is no different than that of the islamist-keeping the people so desperate and destitute that they are unable to say no. " Quote from H. John Poole's book 'Tequila Junction'

Do ya'll think that something along these lines could be the ultimate ends of this here bail out ? Sure looks like it to me..

Ken,

It's back with new muzak...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_597487

Stay safe

Calvin ( bitter clinger )

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 13:28:26 (ZULU)

Calvin: Butchering Vivaldi ain't "muzak"; It's an atrocity. Click here and pass the link along to EVERYONE you know!

CDC'
Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 15:54:45 (ZULU)

WSJ collected some pre-meltdown quotes. I especially like this one: ""Rep. Frank: I do think I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness that we have in OCC [Office of the Comptroller of the Currency] and OTS [Office of Thrift Supervision]. I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidized housing."

Well,...he got what he wanted. Click.

CDC'
Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 16:00:46 (ZULU)

Whoooahhh yeah Calvin!! thanks for finding this....

Rest of you Hawgs -- pass this link around as much as possible. If someone knows how to download it - I will host it too....

We got's to let the air out of this dam O'blama balloon....

click my name or copy the link from here or Calvin's post....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_597487

Take care,

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 17:32:21 (ZULU)

CDC Sir,

Sorry, if it's any consolation I find the muzak offensive too.. But I'll take one for the team if it sways someone in the right direction.. Unfortunately in my experience most obamo-ites are imune from logic and reason..

Stay prepared !

Calvin

Calvin
emmitsburg, MD, U.S.A - Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 18:45:31 (ZULU)

Joe,

Being a single parent is not that tough especially when you have a consistant and regular schedule and home regime. Ever since my wife (ex) went and found "true love" at a yoga retreat 16 onths ago I have been there for my boys 100%. While she was "finding her bliss" I was doing laundry, making dinners, coaching lacrosse, paying all the bills etc.

I didn't bitch about it either. My boys know that they can count on me and that I will be there for them. They have spent a total of 11 nights with their mom since last Christmas. Things are good now and working out. I now need to climb out of a little debt hole that I slid into due to the loss of 2nd income.

It will and does work out, just feels mighty rocky at times!

Michael
Los Gatos, CA, USA - Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 18:48:01 (ZULU)

Michael: At the very end of 1991, I packed a 4x4, watched the weather, and drove my son to Alaska. The wife stayed put. I raised him from there. Now, try this: Have three more kids, and do it all over again. If I didn't have such looming responsibilities, I'd kick my own ass for being here yet again.

As for being outnumbered: Add in the apathetic, morally corrupt who sit anything out, and account for what's left opposing each other actively. In fact, look at any revolution demographocally. I think you will be surprised. The American revolution was a minority operation:)) IIRC, success is highly probable at 10% merely sympathetic. The bulk of the masses are not a factor, and become less so as time goes by. They hide under their beds and hope for the best either way. And you'd be surprised by what .1% can do if properly organizted and led. Never think about field formations, I'm talking about diffuse cells scattered over a wide area. Consider a doubling or tripling of security forces in a crisis. In a perfect world, this would secure maybe three geographically smallish but populous states. Imagine the Senate trying to pick which three (CA counts as 2.7 alone) to stabilize. Heheheheh. Academcially, the whole idea is interesting. A handful is all it takes, and history bears this out. The demographics' aspect flies in the face of popular myth, too. We just overlook the reality of revolutionary popularity by romanticizing the outcomes. But the successful dudes, Mao, Uncle Ho, Washington, they all understand this and rolled their dice. Numbers by themselves mean nuthin.

As for that vid; yeah, I know. I wish everyone would see this. I have a few gossipy friends to send it to; thoughtful persons who will grasp the importance immediately. I am scared. Fear is more a general sense of foreboding---but this I know exactly what it is, so it scares me directly. I also see the implications, and those are part and parcel of this specific fear: It may be too late already to stop a melt down, but who has the reigns when it happens is seriously crucial to where we end up on the back side. Either as Amercians, or as "left of Euro-social marxists." On the one hand, I could agitate changes back to principles; on the other, it is a call to arms I could not ignore.

Joe M
Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 19:13:47 (ZULU)

Buffet was thought, as late as last year, to have lost his edge. He took strong cash positions, and was missing out on the wild upward ride of securities. The guys knee deep in the shit now were the ones deriding old man Warren. I remember reading these snide remarks, now that I am watching him buy up bargain basement assets.

And, it occurs to me that history is going to be unkind to us as a whole. Unless, of course, someone break the current paradigm.

If mark to market has you confused, click.

Now, the current Abomination wending thru capitol hill suspends FASB 157. But, what does that mean? Up front it means that corporations can hide faulty assets from their investors, that's what. So, does smart money follow that trojan horse in? Or does this mean the big board will go south? And, if that is the case, that means money that funds your paycheck goes with it...and if you don't want to bother with any of these arcane little rules: If you instinctively feel this bailout is solely propping up high roller fat cats who should instead be forced to eat their own dumb losses--you're right. They keep their profits at the top of the market, the tax payer eats the losses that actually occured before anyone could bail out. That is just BS on the face of it--and insidious for "responsible" decisions going forward.

The Peanut is here today, home from school and fighting a flu-like thing. Her needing me is the easiest way to put my little problems into proper perspective.

Joe M
Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 20:01:16 (ZULU)

book Country:

This isn't 2nd amendment fiction as such, but it is very on-topic for this board/forum, and it's a great story (tech and otherwise):

"The Cajun Sniper" by Wayne Talley

http://www.amazon.com/Cajun-Sniper-Wayne-Talley/dp/0595314465/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222983904&sr=8-1

(or click my name)

Product Description

In the international sniper arena, a crafty Cajun named Jacques Boudreaux is the master. When a crime organization wants to silence a lady friend of Boudreaux's past, she summons him for help. He holds true to the friendship code of the Louisiana Bayou. Using his deadly art, he becomes a predator and enacts the swamp's brutal justice system. Boudreaux completes his mission, but the fight of his life still awaits him. Unknowingly, his escapade also kills the lucrative revenue source of a powerful and corrupt New Orleans individual. A well-financed and highly trained unit of shooters is dispatched to eliminate Boudreaux. The overconfident rogue unit quickly learns that this simple Cajun is a worthy adversary.

Advance sniper techniques are woven into the story. The technical information on techniques used in long- range marksmanship is condensed into a ten-page supplement that is located in the rear of the book.

Wayne Talley is a Louisiana native who, as a civilian, competes against active military and law enforcement snipers in national sniper matches.

Prior to 2002--NRA long-range competition.

Nov. 2002--3rd Place at Badland's Individual Sniper Match.

June 2003--2nd Place Scout/Sniper Team at SniperQuest03.

www.cajunsniper.com

About the Author

Wayne Talley is married sixteen years to a wonderful wife. He is the father of three. Born in New Orleans, the nearby swamp was his childhood playground. He lived in southeast Louisiana nearly his entire life. He now resides in Houston.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 22:48:09 (ZULU)

Well, I think Sarah Palin did a nice job in the debate. She handled herself well, and didn't have a major gaffe.

Joe Biden.... you could tell he was lying. His lips were moving.

Not that I'm biased. :8-)

Duman
Friday, October 3, 2008, at 05:25:36 (ZULU)

Really it was all about Palin. Biden has been around long enough for everyone to know what to expect. I thought she handled herself much better than he did and that's not because I'm biased. She's smarter and more confident than he is. Now I'm seeing in some places that polls show he "won". How in the fuck people come up with that is beyond me.

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Friday, October 3, 2008, at 19:57:15 (ZULU)

Rifle Country:

Took delivery on the CZ452 Silhouette. Like the bolt handle, very similar to my other adult (non-youth) rifles.

Taking delivery on rings shortly. I believe I have the correct (11mm) ones on order with the right height.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, October 3, 2008, at 22:27:45 (ZULU)

Would Alaskan lesbians be called "Klondykes"?

Duman
Saturday, October 4, 2008, at 04:36:07 (ZULU)

Calvin: My response to your vid post sounded rude. It wasn't meant to. No offense was meant.

CDC"
Saturday, October 4, 2008, at 05:55:42 (ZULU)

Rod,

Good Luck w/your Cz452.The only one I know for sure that has a 3/8 dovetail is the 452 American.The rest are 11mm,if I am not mistaken.Cz also offers a slide on "weaver" base held on by allen grub screws.They call it a "weaver base" but I have one on mine and it looks more like a picatinny rail.Cost is around $50-$60 shipped.Its available in either 3/8 or the 11mm version.And you can get it from the Cz-USA website.

Brownell's,Brookes and Timney all have options if you want to get rid of the OEM trigger.

Good Luck and Enjoy

"Joe Biden.... you could tell he was lying. His lips were moving."

Had an interestin phone conversation w/ Dad on this...I dont know who kept track of Bidens lies.But according to Dad the B.S. Meter registered 47 lies.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Saturday, October 4, 2008, at 12:54:05 (ZULU)

Hey Duman..

>"Would Alaskan lesbians be called "Klondykes""<

I laughed so loud that Ruggus Rattus yelled up and asked what I was laughing about...

I only watched about 5 minutes of the Palin/Biden "Chat", cuz I'm totally burned out on this "race"... I mean we have been enduring this shit for two years, and the Pillsbury Dough Boy would make a better vice president than "Joe Biden". :(((

The polls are all over the place, depending on the political spin of who's paying for the poll... so I don't think there is any credible feedback on where any of this is, and what is working.

For you guys that live out in Vegas... what are the odds on the boards on who is going to win the office - they are probably more accurate than the asshole "pundits" on the tube.

I thought is was odd (read DUMB) for Obama to pick Biden - for a guy that touts change from the "old guard" political hacks, he picked the premier Old Guard hack in Washington.

Rush Limbaugh said the the Republicans couldn't have asked for a better choice.

No one respects Biden - he has tried to get the presidency four or five or times and has always gotten about 1% of the primary vote. So now I guess he thinks he can slide in through the back door.

I'll be glad when it is over and we can all get back to earning the $850,000,000,000 to replace the money that our govt just gave away...wait a minute - I don't do that. It's called a "Voluntary Tax System"... and I'm not volunteerism for this stupidity.

Especially the $150,000,000,000 in pork - aka "Earmarks" :(((

Anyone need $2,000,000 worth of toy wooden arrows?

But I can support the $160,000,000 in Rum, as long as it's Morgan's Dark Spiced Rum... just toss in a few million bucks worth of lime jooce to go with it. :)))

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, October 4, 2008, at 17:05:16 (ZULU)

Click: why isn't McCain blasting away with these facts?

The big blue elephant in the room is being ignored. Palin had ample opportunity to slam and slay over this very issue. She side stepped.

My hope is McCain is biding his time, planning a huge assault on the dems in general and Obama in particular over their enabling role for subprime. Pin that tail on that donkey, as it were.

But, if it remains the unspoken elephant...one wonders then: Is this a conspiracy??? Socialism thru free amrketintervention...a power grab coup with both parties' playing.

It is inexplicable to me for this to be ignored. Bizarre to the point of donning the ol' tin hat.

The ONLY thing that would alter this is for McCain to unleash all hell on Obama--a relentless, pointed attack complete with google tips and re-printed articles from the past five years or so. Otherwise, WTF???

Bail out: Let the fun begin...

Joe M
Saturday, October 4, 2008, at 18:07:24 (ZULU)

Hi Duman,

guess where Klondykes go to meet each other? Of course, a Klondyke Bar... BWaaahhaaa!!

Rod, keep us up on your new CZ, all the ones I've owned or tried out would shoot very well, far better than one would expect from the price tags. The CZ/Pic rails can be hard to get from CZ itself but there are others available. RimfireCentral has a thread going on them.

Good Shooting to All,

Erik in Kodiak

Erik in Kodiak
Saturday, October 4, 2008, at 18:24:13 (ZULU)

Vote for Joe:

My platform:

1. Repeal the 17th ammendment, and put the tsate back into the heart of the fed.

2. Disarm the FBI and remove the power of arrest for domestic ops. They now become an intel group that must act thru local agencies; call it a LEO FEMA for crime.

3. File suits after appointing justices that actually understand the constitution under both the 9th and 10th ammendements to undo nannyisms. Repeal the income tax ammendment, and instead go to a flat tax period. Let the states and local levels decide how to spend seized money--where the locals can get their hands on their politicos.

4. Decriminalize most drugs, and defund the DEA. If you aren't a druggie now--will you become one if it is openly available?

5. Defund the DOE and issue right to work executive order (using congresses' own rules to the DOE) to all jurisdictions per educators. NEA is dead, dudes. Power to the parents...

6. Define corruption as a violation of the oath of office, and jail congress(people) for violations of power contained in article I. In a play for ironic outcomes, I would use RICO statutes for convictions. FWIW, this bail out originated in the senate, using a thinly veiled dodge that would run afoul of my standards of conduct (standards that the founding fathers wrote themselves).

7. No foriegn aid without clear national interest, and only following an open and engaging conversation with that population (good guys, good press. Or, no money).

8. No Federal aid to sates and localities. We won't take the money in the first place, don't expect us to hand it back with or without strings. San Fran, if you want socialism---pay for it out of your own damned pockets; Preoria is not subsidizing you anymore.

9. Job one: Defense.

10. Job two: Level playing field economically only insofar as to say bye to the Fed; say hello to congressional regulation of a backed currency. Heheh. they'll be so busy wonking dollar levels that they will have little time or motivation to control your guns or to police your thoughts...forever more.

11. Welfare? see your state...

12. Highways? I'll handle the interstate thru DoD. If you want to use it fine, make exists. Talk to your state. But, I need them only for defense...getting to ports, getting to a border etc.

13. Rights to healthcare? rights to work? BS; a right to healthcare is another way of saying you have a right to take something from the doctor without his consent. that's slavery. I de-regulate all federal healthcare provisions. I pass laws saying that healthcare coverage can be anything the consumer wants it to be, with no mandates. You have the right to be informed, but no right to my time or his. Policies can then be "catastrophic coverage" with the routine being on you---saving tons of money. If you need help....see your state.

14. Slash the government: DOJ? Only used to keep us elected guys honest---federal courts still remain as relief to local issues that cross up the constitution and to prevent any petty tyranies within any state. But, "federal crimes" are defined, and the rest go bye-bye to the local level. State, defense (with intel) stay as necessary to centralized effort. Every other agency will scale back or go under. FAA is part of a defense network, FEMA is pooled resourses for big bad things, etc. But, Labor, HUD---these are state issues. Money stays in the state--so does such responsibilites that are not contained in the constitution.

15. If your state goes socialist--vote with your feet. I'm not giving a shit.

16. In fact, read the constititution thoroughly; vote for Joe, and I'll bring it back to the fore.

My philosphy is "the government that governs least governs best." Yes, I borrowed that phrase....

I'd lose, eh? Hahahahahaha. And that's the sad fact...

Joe M
Saturday, October 4, 2008, at 18:45:25 (ZULU)

Pablo, "For you guys that live out in Vegas... what are the odds on the boards on who is going to win the office - they are probably more accurate than the asshole "pundits" on the tube."

Click for the odds. This is the best guess going. Right now it is 2/1 Obama.

CDC'
Saturday, October 4, 2008, at 20:37:23 (ZULU)

"Click for the odds. This is the best guess going. Right now it is 2/1 Obama."

Thats some scary shit....Even scarier when I click on my State and see what the predicted margin is for that.I knew Milwaukee and Mad City were full of crazies....but they list Obama by 85%.Maybe there really is something to all the lead plumbing they claim we have.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Saturday, October 4, 2008, at 22:12:00 (ZULU)

With this government bailout, and the associated shennanigans, it might be a good time to re-read "Unintended Consequences".

If you haven't read that book, now is a good time.

Duman
Saturday, October 4, 2008, at 22:22:37 (ZULU)

"EF&D is #1 of a trilogy.

#2 is out, it's good too. "Domestic Enemies: The Reconquista" by Matthew Bracken

#3 is being written now."

#3 is Foreign Enemies, and so far, it is even better than Domestic Enemies. If reading it doesn't make you nervous, you;ve got the belief system of a rock. I thought DE hit home in so many ways, but FE is headed to strike nerves all over the place; it'll make you hurt.

The sad thing for this nation is that Matt would be as creative as he could and devise a scene so far fetched it could only be in a novel...only to have that very scene play out in the real-world news just days or weeks later. One scene I remember was the use of Mexicans as State policemen in New Mexico. He wrote that scene only to have the news break not long after.

Hank
Sunday, October 5, 2008, at 03:42:11 (ZULU)

If I was the G3 of Al Qeada, I'd be agitating for a major move against the oil infrastructure like right freakin now. Both on the export end and on the import end in the US. The economic crisis could be exploited--and worsened to the point of collapse (what was their concept for 9/11? Economics?). The first reason not to do so would come from the 5 shop; politically, it may be better to wait til after the election (get the sucker elected). The second is simply they cannot---too much pressure. Too bad the elction factor takes analysis to a 50/50 assessment...it would be nice to gauge their capability right now. You can bet the Arab Street is wondering where they are....in all, it may just be too much to resist.

BKS: You're in the most likely/ most dangerous COA target area....WY6. And mine...and ours...and theirs...fuckboogers. A hit now would really hurt us...and that fact is not lost on these guys.

Joe M
Sunday, October 5, 2008, at 15:35:02 (ZULU)

There's a cult of personality dedicated to Our Savior:

Click for Obama Youth 1.

CDC'
Sunday, October 5, 2008, at 23:49:29 (ZULU)

Click for Obama Youth 2.

I used to subscribe to a bunch of the head-bump international relations journals. In their analyses it was taken as a given that neither the USSR or the USA would follow a "Man On A White Horse". That may no longer be true.

CDC'
Sunday, October 5, 2008, at 23:54:00 (ZULU)

CDC,

NOW that's offensive ! Cult it must be, as when I speak with obama-ites their eyes glaze over and they instantly become immune to logic and reason.. It's like they are under a witch doctor's spell.

Stay safe

Calvin

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Monday, October 6, 2008, at 13:50:37 (ZULU)

The markets are tanking. We sold our birthright for a bowl of porridge and didn't even get the porridge.

CDC'
Monday, October 6, 2008, at 15:38:48 (ZULU)

Neal Boortz put that video up on his website. The walk-thru of the subprime crisis---the one we had here.

Palin took her gloves off, and her actual remarks of course have been distorted enough by the MSM (even FNC) as to make it seem scurrilous rather than factual...but the way she framed it, there is no disputing that this is what happened. Barry was only 8 when Ayers was tossing bombs? Fine. then what is his excuse for linking up AFTER the fact????

I'm hiring an attorney wednesday morning...too steep a learning curve for me and too high stakes for a stupid procedural error; and my kids were concealed from me into today. My last act as pro se is to go now and file a motion for contempt against her. I slept not at all last night...and Peanut gave me her cold.

Damn. Let the games begin...

Joe M
Monday, October 6, 2008, at 16:22:45 (ZULU)

remember a couple of archives back when I said "as early as October?"

Maybe I should switch from law to economics, eh?

In case you noticed the dollar strengthen over the weekend: read between the lines at what that really means: The Euro Zone is in even worse shape than us, and their fractured C&C cannot move nearly as fast (as if we did) for a major bailout. The western economies are too far gone, it appears. Paulson, with authority he sought--also cannot move quickly enough to get the clots out of the system.

Expect "spray and pray" with your tax dollars next. Haste makes waste, they say. But do not despair: Once the dust settles, you'll be glad to be rid of all those useless pieces of green paper with dead-dude portraits.

Gold is next---watch the ride about to unleash:)) Better yet, ride it up. The next few days and weeks oughta be spectacular.

I feel for the boomers; they are watching steak go to hotdogs, go to mac n cheez, on to forage thru their life savings in this market.

Now is the time to re-look family. And not wise to walk away, but then again, she never was wise.

Joe M
Monday, October 6, 2008, at 16:34:09 (ZULU)

Joe M...

>"A hit now would really hurt us...and that fact is not lost on these guys."<

I disagree. These guys are no fools (I wish that they were!!).

"IF" they want to break our economy by effecting the oil flow - now is NOT the time to do it.

They know McCain is likely to loose, and that Obama is an empty suit with no resolve to fight anything except the conservatives.

A hit now would friggin' guarantee a McCain win by a landslide... and McCain would retaliate in spades.

If they are going to hit the oil flow, it will come after Obama is elected... (God forbid!), and he will do nothing about it except invite then to talk about it.

CDC...

>"We sold our birthright for a bowl of porridge and didn't even get the porridge."<

We sold it for cheap sneakers from China, and to appease the demand from the leftist eco-nazis and EPA (one is the same as the other) to halt energy development here in the USA.

While the price of energy keeps going up, the eco-nazis are STILL suing the govt to stop energy development.

Don't get the reasons confused - know the real enemy - they are inside the borders of our country.

They usually have stickers on their car bumpers telling you how nice they are, and how much they care!!

Joe M...

>"Expect "spray and pray" with your tax dollars next."<

All the little piggies are lining up at the govy tittie - Kalifornia (one of the richest [if not THE richest] states in the country) wants "us" to give them $7,000,000,000 (that's a billon with a "B") to bail them out of their financial problems caused by the drain on the state by illegal immigrants - Fuck that - let Schwarzenegger go begging to Babs Streisand, Billy Gates, and the rest of the socialistas (and maybe dig into his own jeans for a piece of it).

Kalifornia is NOT my problem - paying for my kids braces is my problem. If Schwarzenegger will pay for my Rat's braces, I will gladly send Kalifornia $20!!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, October 6, 2008, at 18:02:25 (ZULU)

>>>Cult it must be, as when I speak with obama-ites their eyes glaze over and they instantly become immune to logic and reason.. It's like they are under a witch doctor's spell.<<<

As silly as that may sound, I find that to be frighteningly accurate. The left has gone totally off the hook. They used to try to hide their bias...but not any longer. The stuff they're throwing at Sarah Palin and her family is off the charts.

Have you seen today's Day by Day cartoon? Here it is and be sure to read the previous 2 days.

(click)

Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Monday, October 6, 2008, at 18:13:17 (ZULU)

I agree and I live here...for now.

I just saw a CNN story about the Saudi's involvement in the Taliban and Al Qeada parting ways. Curious what you guys think about it.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/10/06/afghan.saudi.talks/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Monday, October 6, 2008, at 18:16:40 (ZULU)

MarcS...

>"I just saw a CNN story about the Saudi's involvement in the Taliban and Al Qeada parting ways. Curious what you guys think about it."<

I think it badd for Iran, but it may not be good for us.

Of course anything that is badd for Iran is good - but an agreement between the Taliban and the Afgan govt strengthens the Taliban, and as Martha would say, "... and that's a badd thing".

The biggest problem of all of this stuff is that in that area, the countries have traditionally been either enemies, or at least, not friends.

Now those countries are forming allegiances that will become a serious problem to us in the very near future - they (as a group) control the bulk of the energy on the modern world, and we can be held hostage to their economic wants and whims - this is FAR more serious than you see on TV.

We are in it real badd... it is beginning to flow into our hip waders and there is no sign of it stopping for many years. The socialistas in the USA are fueling the problem, and no one is even talking about it.

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, October 6, 2008, at 19:09:20 (ZULU)

I was reading another site a little while ago about Obabma and his "global poverty" bill in congress - to tax all of the "people" in the USA to pay for welfare around the world. We "owe" them.

One of the things that is clear about these people is that they have a vision (that's ok) to make the world a better place (that's ok too!)... but they want to send the bill to others to do it for them.

The lefties, rock stars and movie stars in Kalifornia could fund the rehab of Somalia out of their loose change - but as much as they whine about it... they want others to put up the money - so they want to tax the unwashed, ignorant people of the USA to pay for global welfare - (if you are reading this site, you ARE the "unwashed, ignorant people").

Obama and his wife get loans to go to a top ivy league colleges, and he and his wife are rich... and they bitch about having to pay back the loans?

Hello, is there any intelligent life in Washington - I would LOVE to have to repay loans for a degree from Harvard, MIT, or Yale.

What a tough life those liberals have... Whaaaaa!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, October 6, 2008, at 20:58:05 (ZULU)

"...fueling the problem, and no one is even talking about it."

McCain finally did in a speach a hour or so ago. Obamaniacs are all over the map crying fowl on the networks. This is the hammer that must be used to drive that skinny nail into the ground.

Shifting geo-politics are the order of the day in the middle east. If we shift forces and surge the 'stan, this too will change once more. It is not a problem I'd lose sleep over.

Immediate problem: The Euro Zone needs to get their act together or our efforts will be in vain to shore up the "global" economy. I rather think the odds are long for meaningful EU interventions...and we can't do it all---as it is, we only addressed 7.5% or so of the total poison in the world's bank vaults. The EU is coming down today (dragging Russia--a house of cards--with them), and the response so far is purely national and chaotic. No uniform plan, and all parochial interest. As Martha is said to say....heheh.

Fugly stuff. Globalization is mostly finance, BTW. By forming limited partnerships thru banking, corporations were able to circumvent protectionism from the get-go. It is that mechanism that exploded and brought us the term "globalization" in the first place...and, that means what happens in Europe, hardly stays in Europe!

Now all we need is a friggin' pandemic.

Joe M
Monday, October 6, 2008, at 21:09:58 (ZULU)

Come on Joe... You know better than that. These folks want a crash so they can scoop up the wealth. A whole paradigm shift in the way money is viewed and what is accepted as money is what truly has to happen.

For a little history try this linky... http://www.xat.org/xat/moneyhistory.html

What needs to happen is an objective standard needs to be adopted for the value of what ever medium of exchange is agreed upon.. Unfortunately I see lead become a medium of exchange.....in the not so distant future.

Stay safe

Calvin

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Tuesday, October 7, 2008, at 02:36:25 (ZULU)

Lead? heheh. No, that won't be used as an exchange medium so much as it will be the final legal remedy under the new contract and tort laws-of-the-jungle.

English was a drag, in rote wordsmithing from grammer to graduate. Now I find I enjoy a finely crafted sentence (though I hardly practice this here). William F. Buckley, a fellow OCS grad, was the ultimate craftsman of the written word. He was in short supply while alive...now, hell: The art be lost to we ignorant masses is all bad and shit.

OK: I received an illiterate note from a teacher...that just pisses me off for some reason. Heheh. And that beats the hell outta dwell-time on my other pressing problems:))

Take two gold bars and reload in the morning.

Joe M
Tuesday, October 7, 2008, at 04:49:09 (ZULU)

"OK: I received an illiterate note from a teacher...that just pisses me off for some reason." JoeM

Don't you just hate that. Gives you a real sick feeling about the quality of your childrens education/indoctrination. Reading what passes for textbooks just makes it worse. When we started calling teachers "educators" it was the beginning of the end.

If you're lucky your kids get through the "system" without you having to talk to the admin pukes. I don't recall recently meeting any other group with the same combination of condescending distain for the folks who are their ultimate employers and self assurance of their innate superiority.

WR Moore
Tuesday, October 7, 2008, at 12:24:01 (ZULU)

JoeM: understood on text books from current day indoc - I mean school. If you want to be amazed, open a text book say - from the 1920's.

JoeM and the Rest: Let's not forget about Israel and Iran. Iran has pretty much made their intentions known: "either leave this world - or we'll help you leave it when we become able".... Hmmmm... Okay.

Don't be surprised if Israel takes a shot at Iran's nuke facilities and a few other bonus targets while she's at it (soon).....

Watch the election dyanmics change if that happens...

My own daughter and some of my co-workers have been drinking the O'bama kool-aid... I have to grit my teeth and restrain my hands from choking them...

I tell them all: "OKAY - LOOK - THIS IS NOT SOME DAM HIGH-SCHOOL SOCIAL SCIENCE EXPERIMENT WHERE YOU CAN SAY "THAT'S ALL CLASS, GAME OVER". THIS IS A REAL NATION THAT TAKES YEARS TO CHANGE COURSE - OR RECOVER FROM DAMAGE CAUSED BY INCOMPETENT GOVERNACE....."

I tell my kid and her academic think-alikes "we left Europe for a reason..." "if you want to be like Europe - then go live in Europe"

ShopNews: Got lots of pics to update on the shop. Finally got the power company and Service cutover. Lots of juice available to run machinery, etc... Stay tuned.

Take care all,

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Tuesday, October 7, 2008, at 13:28:46 (ZULU)

CatWhacker "would LOVE to have to repay loans for a degree from Harvard, MIT, or Yale."

That would depend on the major. Buckley was involved in a panel at Princeton during which he presented a contrast between Pericles and Caligula. Afterwards a professor objected to Buckley using such obscure examples. In a quick survey of the audience, almost none of our finest minds had any idea of who Pericles or Caligula were.

These ignoramuses are running the country.

CDC'
Tuesday, October 7, 2008, at 17:00:20 (ZULU)

CDC - you know how the law works... some animals are more equal (the one's with money and connections)..

Why would you be surprised that the Ivy League works any different?

medicjim
Tuesday, October 7, 2008, at 17:15:25 (ZULU)

Thanks for the info. My booksIgottaread list just grew 25% larger. I guess I'll buy a .17 mach 2 to compliment the .17 furball. I need some of that bailout cash for my "emergency" supplies fund ; )

Midway has an interesting Nikon scope in their flyer (Nikon) 6-18 for $299 w/third turret & dots.

So much stuff, so little time.

4eyes
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Tuesday, October 7, 2008, at 17:38:35 (ZULU)

BOHICA!!! (Bend over, here it comes again!)

Just when you thought you had a problem with the $700,000,000,000 bail out (actually $850,000,000,000 with the $150,000,000,000 of pork), our GWF (Great White Father) in Washington just socked to us AGAIN.

Today, Bush announced that the fed is "buying up: one Trillion (with a "T") dollars worth of short term, unsecured debt (credit cards) so the economy will "move forwards.

So you and I just picked up nearly two trillion worth of dept, and the assholes that actually owed the money, got a freebee that just can't be beat!

Now I wish I had a $100,000 in credit card debt, so I could pass it on :((

(not really !)

And what does Wall Street think of this creative innovation - down 300 points.

Bush has wrecked the Republican party for the next 8 (or 16) years.

It's gonna be badd!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, October 7, 2008, at 20:29:03 (ZULU)

Duman,

Just texted my "Uncle" Barb and Lori your joke, slightly modified: "Is a Lesbian bar in Alaska a Klondike bar?". Uncle barb says she hopes so; they're better when they don't have a stick!

"lito,

I thought I was the only one that drank the dark spiced rum. I had one big bottle last me about a year before I finally had to get REALLY drunk by finishing it myself.

Scwarzenegger can go fuck himself, and so can all of his buddies who violated their oath of office("to uphold this office, and the laws of this city, state, country and constitution, so help me God.") when they declared "sanctuary cities". Maybe they'll be able to sell their multimillion dollar homes to suppport the illegals through n "adopt a wetback" program before anyone notices their neighborhood is slowly turning into a barrio.

Yes, CDC, I know that SOUNDS racist, but look at where Mexicans live. THE FUCKING BARRIO! Also, look at Mexico. Rather than cleaning up their own country, they're jumping ship, so they can fuck ours up.

Joe,

God Bless you, peanut, the horses, dogs, et al. Try Mucinex. Only use the name brand. It really, really works.

On the Obama-ites being immune to logic and reason; I hate those stupid fucks! They're ALWAYS wanting to debate: but as soon as you start making sense or points, they refuse to listen, and say you're not making sense, or they're not gonna listen if you're not willing to be reasonable.

'Lito,

If you went to an Ivy league college, you'd get expelled the first day for making to much sense. Or for stomping preppie kids. Or being a dick in general. Anyways, it wouldn't last long. Same goes for me and most hee, I would think.

Joe,

".... illiterate note from a teacher" Just makes you want to smack the fuck out of them for all the time you had to diagram sentences when you were in school, don't it?

The other day, I was discussing such things with a good friend, and we got on the subject of schools.

On rights, we were told to sit down and shut up while they explained about the bill of rights. If we complained, we were suspended.

On government, we were promised a system of checks and balances. I remember getting sent out of the room for being the asshole in the back of the room asking, "What if BOTH the legislative and judicial parties are crooked?" I still want the fucking answer, but not a demonstration!

Ken,

I hear ya. People are so far removed from reality, they don't seem to realise that this isn' a reality show or some damned game. It's not some social experiment. This is the ral shit! We can't just hit "reset"!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, October 7, 2008, at 22:19:56 (ZULU)

"Strong voter registration efforts launched by Obama and Democrats appeared to pay off, with Obama leading McCain by 63 percent to 47 percent among voters who have registered to vote in the last six months."--Reuters, Oct. 7

Hmmm...Daley (the elder), having recently voted, is disappointed in his protoge for only garnering a measley 110% in his efforts thus far. The dead mayor then offered some advice: "Not just dead dudes, dude...ya need to go after the school children and european vote too." (the reuters story is actual as written...my paragraph is the satire. figured I'd point that out, as both are equally absurd)

Escalation: It is real baaaaaaaaaad right now. What a sh!tty day. Just crap. Divorce sux. No winners, just a mess of what once was.

Joe M
Tuesday, October 7, 2008, at 23:16:26 (ZULU)

WTF are you talking about, Travis? I grew up in "THE FUCKING BARRIO!" and got out as fast as I could. You won't find anybody who is more eager to seal the border and enforce immigration laws.

When did I say anything different?

CDC'
Tuesday, October 7, 2008, at 23:31:38 (ZULU)

CDC,

I don't remember when, but some time back, I said something about Mexicans coming here and fucking up the country, or mentioned the barrio, and you got on one of your rants. I swear, I thought you were gonna start one of your rants and start calling me, "homie" over and over. It was pretty comical.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, October 7, 2008, at 23:37:10 (ZULU)

I just turned the debate off....... My five year old grandson could do better than either one. We're effing doomed.

Bolt, the *uc* out!

Bolt
Disturbed in......, NC, - Wednesday, October 8, 2008, at 02:45:49 (ZULU)

Travis: Out to settle some old grudge?

You win. Enjoy.

CDC'
Wednesday, October 8, 2008, at 05:37:20 (ZULU)

Travis,

>We can't just hit "reset"!<

That's what that big mushroom shaped cloud is, the Master Reset!

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Wednesday, October 8, 2008, at 06:11:24 (ZULU)

JoeM: "Obamaniacs are all over the map crying fowl ..."

Those chicken-shits....

Duman
Wednesday, October 8, 2008, at 06:19:40 (ZULU)

Anybody got some opinion on the debate last night.

I didn't watch it - I'm so tired of this dog and pony show that I could puke.

How the fuck did a country like this come up with a pair of losers like these two clowns is totally beyond me.

McCain has the economic facts on his side, and could kill Obama, Barney Frank, and Chris Dodd in one fell swope... and he says about it.

The asshole doesn't deserve the win... and the fast talking, pretty boy in the empty suit will kill us for sure, so no matter who wins, we are phucked!

CDC and Travis.... play nice (did I say that??)

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, October 8, 2008, at 13:47:36 (ZULU)

Bravo,

Sorry I missed your call. I teach on Tuesday evenings, don't get home until ~11 or so.

I'll give you a call later in the week.

Lito-san: I think you and I should buy blood pressure meds in bulk, from that gal in Canada, the same one trying to sell me Viagra, Levitra, and Cialis.....

Duman
Wednesday, October 8, 2008, at 14:49:02 (ZULU)

"That's what that big mushroom shaped cloud is, the Master Reset!"

C:\\ Format C: God's dos command for a do-over;))

Economy: Screwed...Politics: royally screwed...Marriage: World class screwed...personal finance: another screwing...the last 15 years of my life: wastefully screwed...collection of firearms: Likely screwed hard (see another screwing)...me: doing jes' fine.

Inexplicably, I haven't felt this damned happy in years. My scale of "problems in life" tops out with mass death, starvation and failed nations, and descends quickly to the petty from there. So, my current BS is small potatoes (quayle)for me...and the world to my children. There is my fight, my only concern in the world. the rest of it is just extraneous stuff. Being a confident (arrogant?) cuss helps too. I am getting used to this newfound feeling: Each day starts with promise...not dread and caution. Whatta tremendous change for me.

Joe M
Wednesday, October 8, 2008, at 17:08:05 (ZULU)

"Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline." -REM, (The End Of The World)

Conquistadors sometimes used the practice of beaching their ship in the sand in order to drive the point home to the crew: "no turning back, we go forward or die". We'll go home when we're well enough off that we can build another ship or repair this one.

Consider this nothing more than a demarcation in time, when our ship was run into the sand.

We'll be OK. We're Americans. The greatest people on the face of the earth. People who outperformed the rest of the world in every measure. The hardest working, most generous people on the planet.

We've just got to do a few things:

1. Toss all politicos into a meatgrinder. They are public SERVANTS, and yet they don't feel restricted by the contract we drew up with them. Time for 'em to go. Thomas Jefferson was RIGHT.

2. Rid the area of amirikan residents. The Bible says a man that doesn't work shouldn't eat, and a man that doesn't provide for his family is worse than an infidel. Our shores aren't the welfare or charity line for other countries. We need to understand that our misassumed liability for the world population really is that: misassumed.

3. Band together for the common good. Be it with family, neighbors, or whomever. Talk about a return of the "sense of community"..... Ain't nobody getting out of this one dry - the bigger your community, the better off you'll be.

What to do until then? Well, there's the 5G and 3B. But each and every day should be treated as the blessing it really is.

Bravo
Wednesday, October 8, 2008, at 19:48:05 (ZULU)

OK, if we are to discuss apocalypse....

"Anyone who clings to the historically untrue, and thoroughly immoral, doctrine that violence never settles anything I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler would referee. Violence; naked force, has settled more issues in history than any other factor and the contrary is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forgot this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and with their freedoms." -Robert Heinlein

medicjim
Wednesday, October 8, 2008, at 20:39:45 (ZULU)

"How the fuck did a country like this come up with a pair of losers like these two clowns is totally beyond me."

'Lito: I'm sure we all know people who would be better at being President of the United States than the candidates nominated by the two major parties who are the only ones with a chance to win.

However, they are people who are way too smart to run for public office.

That's what we've come down to - from people like those who felt a duty to be the founding fathers of our country, to pond scum who can't think of better things to do with their lives.

That may be the death of our Republic.

However, before you will be told the truth, you must be willing to hear it - and I'm afraid there are hard truths which the American public is not willing to hear.

So, we get politicians who promise easy solutions to difficult problems - and we believe them and vote for them.

We have exactly the government we deserve, alas.

Lindy
The Northern Occupied Territory of Mexico, U.S.A. - Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 02:01:20 (ZULU)

Lindy: Barney Frank -- of all people -- said, "Elected officials are bad, but the electorate is no prize either."

He was right.

CDC'
Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 03:09:24 (ZULU)

Apocalypse, what apocalypse?

Hey, where the hell are all these dolphins goin'?

Now that's a catchy tune:

"So long...and thanks for all the fish..."

Iceland (not just their central bank--but the whole bowl of noodles) is trying desperately to prevent foreclosure. I made an offer of 25 sheckels on ebay. I like my scotch on the rocks, and that IS whole buncha' ice, eh? They must be closed for the night; I'm still waiting for a response. I figure I can make myself a few cold drinks, then flip it for a new truck down the road. Hey; they want 75.00 in small coin, two dog kennels and a boston whaler. So, one of ya's is gonna hafta ride back to town and get us a whole shitload of dimes...

As much as I like a good scotch, I'm now thinking of holding out for Germany. Get er done for two schnitzels and a pair of groucho glasses. If they balk, I'll toss in a pair of ducks. It's worth it, if only to grab a S&B PMII or three before parting the whole of it out for the scrap value:))

Wasn't it just yesterday that the world was gobbling up US assets? How the worm turns....but, before you get all starry-eyed over the bargain basement prospects...just wait til we get our turn in the econo-blender of fiat monetary magic. Iz gowen to suks fer the lotta us.

Grab your towel...and tune your Sub-Etha Sens-O-Matics; and have a scotch on me...I've cornered the ice market on a stack of Eisenhowers...

"This planet has--or rather had--a problem, which was this: most of the people on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movements of small green pieces of paper, which is odd because on the whole it wasn't the small pieces of green paper that were unhappy."

"And so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches.

"Many were increasingly of the opinion that they'd all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should have left the oceans.

"And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, one girl sitting on her own in a small cafe in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place. This time it was right, and no one would have to get nailed to anything.

"Sadly, however, before she could get to a phone to tell anyone about it, a terribly stupid catastrophe occurred, and the idea was lost forever.

"This is not her story.

"But it is the story of that terrible and stupid catastrophe and some of its consequences." --Douglas Adams

Click for 600 pages or so of the rest of the story... and no, I am not drinking yet. Do you realize how hard it is to find a lawyer to close on a country?

Joe M
Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 03:14:04 (ZULU)

http://skippyslist.com/

Time for some humor...

Some of you on the list may remember Skippy, the MI Soldier who came up with the classic "213 Things Skippy Is Not Allowed Do Do" while he was in Bosnia.

Well, he's back and Skippy apparently an Army Reserve Soldier still up to his antics in civilian life and on deployment. We're not sure who Skippy is - SPC Schwarz is the moniker he uses. He would have fit in well with the ASA.

Be sure to read the AAR on the MAM beating up an EOD robot.

Yeah, Skippy's back and no one is safe.

Enjoy

Trajan Aurelius
East Bay, CA, USA - Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 03:54:37 (ZULU)

Joe M.,

Thanks for the "Hitchhiker's Guide" excerpt. I was wondering how long it would be before someone referenced Douglas Adams.

When 'lito asked, "How the fuck did a country like this come up with a pair of losers like these two clowns is totally beyond me.", I immediately thought of Zaphod Beeblebrox and how he became Galactic President.

Thanks for the laughs, guys.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 05:25:44 (ZULU)

Christ-O !!!

Why do I have a sudden urge to go hug my riffle?!

Soooo...then....MORE ammo, water, MREs, batteries, poly rope, gold.......? Scotch????? Would now be a good time to start digging that hole in the back yard to bury the bus load of goodies? (broke the shovel on Y2K, never got it done)

Which reminds me. Fuck retirement! I have to get started on that build-your-own-coffin kit I ordered. Tick-tock!

Steve Racer
Somewhere in Dillsburg, Rendell-ville, formerly USA - Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 07:18:06 (ZULU)

CDC,

No grudge; I just figured you'd jump in my shit like you normally do. There have been several occassions where I or someone else said something rather innocuous, and you flew off the handle. Mentioning race in any way, shape, or form seems to be all it takes for you to decide that the speaker is a racist. I detest this type of alarmism. It's an awful lot like asking someone if they've stopped beating their wife.

Joe,

"Flipping Germany" - Don't forget a box full of Mauser actions and a small herd of beer wenches!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 11:26:20 (ZULU)

Travis: I recommend editing that last post. People don't want to hear it. Take it off line.

CDC'
Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 12:39:24 (ZULU)

Joe:

I guess I shouldn't be surprised we're both Douglas Adams fans too. Contact me offline if your want any DNA (Douglas N. Adams) text, audio or video. I've collected most of it. His posthumously published collection/book was fun too, if you haven't read it yet.

(I won't be getting to my email until I return home).

The Salmon of Doubt by Douglas Adams

Rod Regier
vacationing in Orlando,FL, - Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 14:55:33 (ZULU)

Rod: If all snow birds were like you, I'd seal our border AFTER you arrived and re-populate this country with proper patriots. Is salmon of doubt about earthII (the mice reconstructing their experiement) only to end at the bar? I think I read that in A'stan...

My DNA discovery was in the early 80s, whilst vacationing in Oahu for two years courtesy of the US Army. I was 18-19, and later revisted his works again, finding even more reason to like it. To get his concepts is to already know how absurd we are as a people with our inability to get perspective on what is truly important in life. Where most find simpleton humor, I found an underlying philosophy that indicted what I instinctively did not like in society:)) It's that between the lines stuff that made for the real genius behind the guise of sci-fi slapstick.

Travis: CDC is a good and decent fellow. I have no idea why you would post what you posted about good ole' aka CDC. Not nice....and I otherwise enjoy chats and posts from you---so I'm not piling on or choosing sides. I'm just giving a friend my opinion that formed from my concept of honor and integrity. Take it for what it is worth...

Joe M
Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 17:41:34 (ZULU)

click my name for some info at Joe Biden's expense

medicjim
Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 17:41:43 (ZULU)

CDC...no, no. Let him post. It's like watching Verne Troyer dance, or Joaquin Phoenix try to whistle.

Charles Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 18:07:00 (ZULU)

Travis are you sure you aren't trying to post in the GD at ARFCOM? I think you had the wrong window open because it sure reads like it!

Geoff M
WI, USA - Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 20:22:15 (ZULU)

Hunker down cowboys...

The Dow is down ~700 points today - on top of what it has lost in the last few weeks!

It is going to get real badd!

Martha Stewart is getting drunk!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 21:21:39 (ZULU)

hey Joe:

Salmon of Doubt was published in 2003.

(review) By T. Hooper "thdizzy" (Osaka, Japan)

This review is from: The Salmon of Doubt (Paperback)

The wit of the late Douglas Adams shines through in this brief volume. It consists of mainly two parts. The first part consists of essays and interviews with Adams that have appeared in magazines and on the internet. Hitchhiker fans will especially love "Young Zaphod Plays it Safe." The second part is an unfinished novel by Adams. The first part is satisfying because you can see Adams' character shining through. In these writings, different facets of his personality sparkle for all to see. The second part is unsatisfactory though. It is patched together from a few early drafts, and it is unpolished. Second, it only consists of a few chapters, so the story stops midway through without any resolution, which is a little frustrating. Perhaps this volume would have been better if it had focused on the essays and letters of Adams and left the unfinished novel alone. If you're a big Adams fan, you'll want to pick this up for the first part and to see the second part to satisfy your curiousity. If you're not a big fan, you should skip this one, and try the Hitchhiker's series instead.

I guess I'm a snowbird because I reside in Canada and visit Florida :-) My primary purpose behind my Florida visits is to see most of my immediate family who reside in the Orlando area. Cold weather doesn't really scare me, and I'm not a big fan of really warm weather. Ironically I'm an American residing in Canada, moved there in 1968 as a pre-teen. (Interesting milestone year w/GCA'68). My family emigrated to Canada when my father got a job in Halifax. (He chose between an offer in Texas and an offer in Nova Scotia). I received my higher education in Halifax and have been employed in that region since then. The rest of my immediate family individually moved back south at various times.

I didn't own any firearms until I was 30, although I was interested and owned toy guns was a child. I've also read voraciously on the topic and history, so I've made up for any "lost" time. I'm into it in a big way now. IPSC since 1986, TR/F class for a few years now and all sorts of practice time at the range with other stuff. Trying to become a better precision rifle shot, which is where the CZ452 Silhouette w/optic in .22LR comes into play.

rod regier
vacationing in Orlando,FL, - Thursday, October 9, 2008, at 22:36:41 (ZULU)

Gents: Another 7% drop in corporate valuations? Ha! This minor crap right now is just the prelude. The crisis-management adopted by the fed to stabilize the situation, treasury's war chest bail-out of printing presses in full production mode, and congress seeking to do another round of "vote buying" rebates and continuous pork in anything they debate---there lies root causes of the real fun times ahead: As I once said, if everyone has a truckload of dollars, the guy with a watermellon and a knife is the richest bastard on earth...Or, if I have 10,000 bags of donuts selling for $4 a piece, and 100,000 cops show up with a a pocket full of 100-dollars bills---how much will these sell for? Yeah...about a 100 bucks. And now the EU is playing these same "just print-money" games on the national level, and Asia is caught holding baskets of dubious paper. Helicopter Ben---just dump money on the problem.

Never forget that a few hundred's of billion here is a slim slice of the GDP pie, but elsewhere it is the whole damned pie. Tis why we seem to be "doing well" right this minute with fuel prices dropping, and not much else looking bad aside from wall st.

And, if you still doubt me becuase the government has to know what it is doing: Consider what exactly was just said. A bunch of narcissistic trial lawyers are going to fix what??? The free market system???? I hope they do a better job than say, oh, the 35W bridge in Minnie; the southern border; social security; appellate courts with more vacancies than NY's Ritz-Carlton; the tax code itself; or heck--just writing checks that it can cover...yeah, when you think about where all foolish hope lies, it makes you wanna cringe.

So, when bread soars to $45/ loaf, and everyone's a millionaire--I wanna be a member of the gun-a-holics 500.

Seriously; consider this: If I have the treasury crank out a million bills per citizen, and now every last one of us is a millionaire---WTF does it mean to be a millionaire? Nothing. And that is where the mighty buck will end up...as a nuthin'. A big green pile of paper, good for starting wood stoves and wiping butts.

We're already on that path at warp 8. To return to an earlier analogy: Right now, all eyes are on that big bouncing ball so recently pumped up with so many dollars. All eyes are waiting to see if it will bounce back up higher and higher as it always did before. Nobody has yet realized that the floor itself is gone---the ball is heading down as we all hold our breath in terrible anticipation...soon, sooner than I would wish, someone will be the first to notice that there will be no bounce cuz there will be no floor to bounce on---and at that moment, all hell is upon us.

Joe M
Friday, October 10, 2008, at 04:53:01 (ZULU)

Ok, since we are talking Doomsday Country, some of you seem to have a pretty good handle on this whole mess. I sure don`t. Given that, who wants to take a crack at what life on Erf will look like in the coming year or six? Are we talking pencils on the street corner and soup lines? Or does it look different than that. I really don`t know how ugly it`s going to get, but judging from how much people AREN`T saying, I figure it will be pretty ugly come Christmas time and beyond. Desparation will set in when jobs go away, pensions go away, 401Ks are just a memory, even the staples of survival that all the button pushers took for granted just a year ago vanish as if the never existed. I don`t know if I`ll be what you call "sitting pretty", but I figure I`ll be better off than most. I got some goodies socked away and I have useful, marketable skills, and I got weapons and ammo. I have a feeling the stock on self-sufficiency just went up.

What say you?

Steve Racer
Erf, - Friday, October 10, 2008, at 06:42:57 (ZULU)

Hey Steve,

Don't forget your friends and neighbors..As things slide more towards chaos they will become increasingly more important.. Net work NOW with folks of like mind. Retire any debt you can. Look at means of production/storage/preservation of food stuffs. Think of little things that the big trucks bring to wally world on a regular basis that are cheap now but will be damned near impossible to get later.. ( any one remember the big toilet paper shortage in the 70's ? ) Think some form of alternative heating for your home.. Be flexible in your income stream.. or in simpler terms do what ya can for cash/barter material. You know, the things you already do !

Bottom line is the country is in the same place that the french were before thier revolution.. The gubbermint was bankrupt and destroying the wealth of the land with taxes and foreign wars.. But the people weren't bankrupt (materially, not necessarily morally but that's another story all together ) and they resented the hell out of the kings decrees.....

Sound familiar ?

Stay safe

Calvin

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Friday, October 10, 2008, at 12:18:19 (ZULU)

Hey guys, well IM back again, I used to post here years ago, and only dropped a couple lines since then.

I guess with America, scratch that, the world in serious trouble its a good time to get reunited with people who actually are prepared, talk about it, and dont go off on the "your paranoid" bs I get in the other forums I check out.

Anyhow. Good to be back.

Partisan
Mt, USA - Friday, October 10, 2008, at 12:54:23 (ZULU)

It's been a while.....As things continue on a downward trend, life in the sticks looks better all the time. Hope all is as well as can be with all of you.

Rule #1..Nobody gets across the bridge!

Outa here

markwell

markwell
The Alleghenies, WV, - Friday, October 10, 2008, at 15:12:51 (ZULU)

Steve: Stretch you imagination thru each and every "essential service" employee's brain as he realizes it's yet another week of his booses "having some problems," meaning yet another week without pay. Cops. Engineers at the power plant. Now, imagine a family watching food prices roll up like the price on a high volume gas pump in July:) No money, soon to be no food. What would you do? Would you go to to work and keep the elecricity flowing or would you go hunting to get something ion the table for your kids? Now, multiply by about 60 million;))

Without ready capital, services WILL breakdown. The government will overreact. People will panic. Force will be deployed against "hoarders." The phrase "for the common good" will make you puke with each new repressive intrusion into your life it represents. The wolves will come out to play...and these aren't the wolves we have today, but rather the ones we create thru desperation. Local petty tyrranies will be the order of the day in places. Cities will be no place to be any where near.

3 years for the full monte, dude. But that's IMHO; I saw "as early as this October" a few months back---but I did not see the friggin' depths of what we are seeing now. It is, to put a point on it, coming undone already in ways I thought it would take a quarter or three just to start. I do not know what this means...and neither does anyone else. This is the "human factor" that is in full play now--the great unknown and unknowable variable that makes this stuff impossible to truly gauge. Its the human factor itself that makes a dollar a dollar. My 3 years is normal-times flow of massive infusions of un-earned cash at the top of finance to filter around throughout the economy enough for enough people to say: "WTF? I thought I was rich and here everyone is outbidding me for everything." When people realize that a dollar is no longer a dollar--that is when it happens, and when it happens--it happens literally overnight. Just ask an Argentinean or hell, Hitler's ghost. First, I need more dollars to get my next delivery, or my competitor will outbid me again for the next erratic load of chow....the peace officer realizes that he is literally pulling insane overtime for 1.5 loaves of bread and nothing more...etc. etc. etc.

Equilibrium: The economic art of many things, among these are: the amount of available "actual greenbacks" being in parity with the total value of things as they are (value of your labor, value of your house, the "right value" of goods and services, etc) It is all finite and could, if we had a stop watch that freezes time--be exactly calculated to the penny. It is also the point where a price will settle for anything in the market where a given supply can meet a given demand (if gas supplies drop off, but nobody parks their car--this is called gouging). Lately, Bernacke has printed actual dollars that have no corresponding value---no "new things or services" that can match up to these wet-ink dollar bills. Right now, these are being dumped into a hole that nobody knows how wide or deep it really is---and, eventually, the hole will define itself and the extra dollars will spill over on all our heads.

Variables: Price controls and rationing. Easiest way to create shortages is for the government to artifically try to stabilize a given commodity or service. This has without fail proven to be gasoline in every fire throughout histiry--and is a natural bone-headed overreaction for those with authority and little responisbility. While it will accelrate everything downward, I expect we shall see this soon....esp. from an Obama admin. Another variable is the realization that there IS too many dollars BEFORE they make an appearance on center stage at the user level. Watch the mercantile and gold. That is our early warning, but in days--not months.

It is cetainly more complicated than this, but the fundemental basis is simply equilibrium off-kilter and human psychology over the true value of the dollar.

Joe M
Friday, October 10, 2008, at 15:41:06 (ZULU)

Bravo's mention of REM's "End of the World" now seems a perfect match for the situation. I'd maybe add the Beatles' Revolution to this playlist...

Wide-spread allegations of, and outright proof of massive voter fraud in nearly all metropolitan jurisdictions, overnight credit between banks at zero on the week, world equity losses larger than the US deficit in just one week, the presses at treasury at full production with unorecendented auhtority to nationalize everything it wants....the perfect storm. Where do YOU put your faith? In a fair election? That government can handle this crisis? The markets can right this mess? Or, just in yourself, your tools, and your closest allies?

What a week!

Joe M
Friday, October 10, 2008, at 23:45:14 (ZULU)

An interesting result of the "new technology"...

... guys set their computer to sell if one of their stocks goes below a certain price.

Like you have a bunch or stocks, and you set the computer to sell any one of them if they drop a given percentage, or below a fixed price.

So you have a 100 different stocks and two go below the "sell price" and the computer sells both of them automatically.

But in a situation like we have now - all the computers tripped at once and the started selling EVERYTHING yesterday and today...

... and no one was at the helm!

We create our own stock market crash with the help of stupid computers.

Glad the comouters aren't guarding the country...

... wait a minute - I think the same computers are in the Pentagon :(((

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, October 11, 2008, at 01:14:03 (ZULU)

Lito,

The computer sell-off was the root cause of the '87 crash. There were safe guards implemented after that incident, but maybe they aren't working.....

Where's Bravo?

Duman
Saturday, October 11, 2008, at 01:32:44 (ZULU)

Duman...

I didn't know that - hell, I was working on a Commodore 64 at the time :)))

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, October 11, 2008, at 05:00:42 (ZULU)

This is just the first of these fiscal fiascos. Medicare, Medicaid, Sociable Security, Pensions all over the place and more are lurking.

CDC'
Saturday, October 11, 2008, at 05:18:45 (ZULU)

CDC...

Hell yes. Those think that this is just a blip on the screen are in for a BIG shock. The whole country has been living in a pyramid scheme for 30 years, and it's coming time to get the ".. comes around" part.

I was talking to a bunch of folks the other day, and they didn't have the slightest idea of how much money is owed by the country (by them!!)

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, Da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, October 11, 2008, at 05:40:59 (ZULU)

On the lighter side; For the last couple of days I hunted deer. Thursday I went from 6,000ish to 9,000ft+. We had a cold snap with 35+ mph wind. My backpacking gear was for warmer weather. I've shivvered hard before but this is the first time I've had convulsions. They will warm your right up. The bacon double-cheeseburger I had for lunch was put to good use.

Osprey makes a very good pack.

CDC'
Saturday, October 11, 2008, at 06:40:22 (ZULU)

Gents,

I'm sure many of you have heard that Obama's cousing is the leader of the socialist "Orange Democratic Party" in Kenya. He is a tin pot politician of the first order, and Obama campaigned for him, on the taxpayer's dime. I'm willing to bet he was taking notes too.

When his cousin lost the election by roughly 250,000 votes, he got on the media and demanded that his followers make their feelings known, and riots, murder, and mayhem enveloped Kenya.

Obama has stated that he wants to stand up an internal security force. It is generally assumed that most active and NG troops, along with quite a few LEOs, took their oath to defend the Constitution seriously. So, if you want to give the country away to your riff raff base and institute socialism on a broad scale.......you would pretty much have to gut the military and then stand up your OWN army, internally.....with your ranks drawn from the inner cities and ghettos......people that are very insistent that more needs to be taken from the hard working and given to them. Call it "affirmative action" of the most sinister kind. It would be easy to do, just call it a government jobs program for those who are in the worst of economic shape. These people won't give two shits about the US Constitution!

If Obama were to lose, I don't think he would issue a call to arms. BUT, if you think your Army won't stand behind you and may be a threat when you enact sweeping socialism, then you gut it and you stand up an army of your supporters who just want what YOU have, and turn them loose.

We MIGHT be looking at real, no-shit tin pot dictator type stuff if Obama gets in, IMO.

Geoff M
WI, USA - Saturday, October 11, 2008, at 10:05:27 (ZULU)

Best hi-cap mags for Ruuuuggggeeerrrr 10/22 standard and 10/22 mag?

44mag.com is running an ARFCOM special for those of you that may only have 1 AR mag :) Have to be an ARFCOM member.

http://www.44mag.com/prodinfo.asp?number=dh30bg

Is there a CETME expert in the house? I kinda sorta want to keep this thing but this mag fit situation pisses me off. 23 out of 60 sucketh.

I want a Garand and an M1A. Hate to buy something off the net without seeing it but there ain't nuthin used around here. Doesn't have to be pristine, just shooters. Would trust a Hawg's judgement.

Time to can sweet taters, Bolt out!

Bolt
NC, - Saturday, October 11, 2008, at 15:41:58 (ZULU)

Dillon Blue Press

There's a write-up of a Sig Sauer P250. A new offering from SIG which lets you swap from 9mm, 357-SIG, 40-S&W, and 45-ACP without any gunsmithing. Apparently, the various kits will swap in/out pretty quickly.

Has anyone seen one of these?

Duman
Saturday, October 11, 2008, at 16:40:31 (ZULU)

Lito: The cost of insurance for Treasuries--that debt you mentioned--has risen four-fold over this last year. That market is saying: Uncle Sam's full faith and credit isn't what it used to be. Click. The last line of this piece, "The unthinkable is being thought (a US default)..." And yiu are right: Dirivitives are the ultimate pyramid scheme. The whole of our economy is the bubble. Greenspan, Carter, Clinton and certain current members of congress (who are now in full counter-accusation mode) will be judged by history and found guilty as hell. The only question remaining is: Who will write this history?

Duman: My dealer laments Sig's recent QC issues, FWIW. He likes the older stuff...

Bolt: day late...mine is gone.

CDC: My ex2B de-tuned my bow. Just cranked it off my setting and almost off the limb (now that is just mean). Now I need a scale to reset it so I too can hunt deer. I'd rather be out your way...but here is not so bad.

Joe M
Saturday, October 11, 2008, at 17:40:21 (ZULU)

Bolt [quote]Is there a CETME expert in the house? I kinda sorta want to keep this thing but this mag fit situation pisses me off. 23 out of 60 sucketh[/quote]

I have had a couple that did not work that were the H&K mags. After a couple of times of forcing them in they work just fine, you can also just carefully look at the ones that work and break out the file on the ones that R not fitting properly and that will do the trick as well.

Partison
Anaconda, MT, USA - Saturday, October 11, 2008, at 18:19:41 (ZULU)

Bolt,

It's hard to beat the ODCMP when it comes to M1 Rifles (Garand).

http://www.odcmp.com/

They ship direct to your door.

medicjim
Sunday, October 12, 2008, at 01:29:50 (ZULU)

Speaking of books: My all-time favorite polical novels are, "I Claudius" and "Claudius the God" by Robert Graves. Read them and you will never see the world in the same way. You can bet Obama and the Clintons read them.

Survival Country: Figure living in and heating a small part of your house. Blow in insulation, some plumbing mods, a tiny wood/pellet stove, a ton of wheat and beans, vitamins, a barrel or two of dry milk, the same in canola oil, honey, salt,...what else?

Joe M: Has it occurred to your x2b how handy a SF O-4 can be when the going gets squirrely? Well, whatever. Send her "just a friend" a thank you card.

CDC'
Sunday, October 12, 2008, at 02:36:02 (ZULU)

re: Garands

From what I have read of other's experiences in the US, have to concur with Medicjim's recommendations - ODCMP is the ticket.

I purchased two Garands several years ago when the wave of surplus Garands hit Canada in 1997 for firesale prices. I made US collectors cry telling them what we paid. ($C275 in 1997 for the Beretta, similar for the Winchester). Got a nice 1955 Beretta and a fairly late WWII vintage Winchester. A friend got a ultra-rare Breda (other Italian post-WWII Garand mfgr besides Beretta). I detail stripped, de-cosmolined, cleaned and lubed several units for friends. Replaced the Op-rod spring with in-spec units from Fulton Armory (can't get any more from them in Canada - sigh :-( Also did a rough-and-ready headspace check.

Rod Regier
still vacationing in partly sunny Orlando, FL, - Sunday, October 12, 2008, at 03:33:33 (ZULU)

CDC - My house was built in 2001 around the concepts you mentioned.

I base my food reserves on the items we consume regularly.... I just buy more, date it and keep it in the cellar. My wife depletes the reserve rather than making trips to the grocery store...and I replenish monthly to maintain a target inventory.

medicjim
Sunday, October 12, 2008, at 12:56:56 (ZULU)

Howdy folks,

The sky is falling eh? Perhaps, but to me it looks a lot more like our economy is just about ripe for investment. People are short selling now while the government is busy kiddie-diddlin' the markets, because, duh, but they'll buy back when it rock bottoms. Right now, I'm just watching for good deals on rifles.

Why do you think 80+% of the american populace said 'NO BAILOUT' please? The governments role should have included indicting those involved with F&F, knocking the crap out of AIG, and evicting the congressmen who run these financial committees. Cut taxes, corporate and fica, get some of the people's money back to them. Cut red tape, let free enterprise do it's thing. But stay the fuck out of the private markets.

All I know is times like this is when a guy should be out there reading the wind, getting some shooting time in. It's getting more expensive to shoot, so each shot counts. This keeps up in the global economy, we may just be thankful we had the extra shooting practice.

later

JR
Florida, - Sunday, October 12, 2008, at 16:20:46 (ZULU)

CDC: I use oak. I have enough dead fall ready to go to last a year or two. The haul from the back forty to here is done with tractors or trucks---but could go to horse and car hood on snow easily enough. I'm prepared to lose my upper story in a pinch. Its an old narrow stairs, easily insulated (I have a few rolls of R18) and some plywood---just flush to the ceiling straight to the third step from the top:)) As for food, I'm canning the garden. I have a root cellar with some extras, and I have an absurdly comfortable "family camp" set up that would make up for the immediate problems of loss of power or propane.

I am far from ready for the worst scenarios.

Thank you cards: That thought has occurred to me, too, but I should to wait until the ink is dry on my divorce. For now, I pray he keeps her happy.

An article about a mechanism I mentioned a while ago. click

Joe M
Sunday, October 12, 2008, at 16:29:48 (ZULU)

After weeks of the liberals screaming that it was Bush's economic policies that are at fault.. (What policies, Bush didn't have ne steeenkin' economic policies ;)

... "Da trut" is finely floating to the surface.

1. Barney Frank Hit Over Boyfriend’s Fannie Mae Role

Critics are crying “conflict of interest” over Democratic Rep. Barney Frank’s live-in relationship with Fannie Mae executive Herb Moses while Frank was on the House Banking Committee.

Moses was Fannie Mae’s assistant director for product initiatives from 1991 to 1998.

He was also openly gay Frank’s live-in boyfriend during that time, while the Massachusetts lawmaker was on the committee that had jurisdiction over government-sponsored Fannie Mae, Fox News’ Bill Sammon reported.

Now that Fannie Mae is at the center of the recent financial meltdown, the relationship is coming under increased scrutiny.

“It’s absolutely a conflict,” said Dan Gainor, vice president of the Business & Media Institute.

“He was voting on Fannie Mae at a time when he was involved with a Fannie Mae executive. How is that not germane? But everyone wants to avoid it because he’s gay. It’s the quintessential double standard.”

A top Republican House aide told Fox News: “He writes housing and banking laws and his boyfriend is a top exec at a firm that stands to gain from those laws? No media ever take note?”

Frank and Moses met in 1987 and lived together in Washington, D.C., until they split up in 1998.

National Mortgage News disclosed that Moses “helped develop many of Fannie Mae’s affordable housing and home improvement lending programs.”

Critics charge that such programs led to the mortgage meltdown and the recent government takeover of Fannie Mae, according to Fox News, which noted that Fannie Mae and its financial cousin Freddie Mac “are blamed for spreading bad mortgages throughout the private financial sector.”

In 1994, Frank thwarted efforts by President Clinton’s Department of Housing and Urban Development to impose new regulations on Fannie Mae.

Collapse of Government Sponsored Housing

In 2003 Frank opposed Bush administration proposals for creating a new agency to oversee Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, while removing existing oversight from Congress and the Department of Housing and Urban Development, stating: "These two entities... are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."

As recently as July 14, 2008 in an interview on business news channel CNBC, Frank said Fannie and Freddy were essentially sound and in no danger of collapse, and promised action to improve their prospects.

Amidst the 2008 financial market turmoil, billionaire Rupert R. Murdoch has repeatedly pointed blame at Frank and a few others as the root cause of the recent housing crisis. In a recent interview, Murdoch claimed that Frank's plan in the early nineties pushed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make bad loans to underprivileged families. An anonymous opinion piece published in The Wall Street Journal — owned by Murdoch — on 9 September 2008 called Barney Frank "the Patron Saint of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac".

Frank called Republican criticism of the Community Reinvestment Act in light of the nation's housing crisis a veiled attack on the poor that's racially motivated.

On 24 September, Frank reacted to Republican nominee John McCain's supposed suspension of his presidential campaign by saying it was, "the longest Hail Mary in the history of either football or Marys." At the time he also said “McCain is Andy Kaufman in his Mighty Mouse costume - ‘Here I Come to Save the Day.’”

On September 29, Frank told the House of Representatives Fannie and Freddy had run aground because of insufficient regulation allowing the financial market to run amok. He stated intent to enact in 2009 the regulations that he feels would have prevented the collapse[citation needed], he had opposed moving oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from OFHEO to the Treasury Department in prior years.

Conflict of Interest

Frank has collected tens of thousands of dollars from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in campaign contributions—$42,350 since 1989. Also, Frank's former boyfriend, Herb Moses, was an executive at Fannie Mae from 1991 to 1998, where he helped develop many of Fannie Mae’s affordable housing and home improvement lending programs. The relationship ended around the same time Moses left the company, though Frank continued support of Fannie and Freddy.[15] Fox News reported that Frank pushed for reduced restriction on two- and three-family home mortgages in 1991, the year Moses was hired by Fannie, even though they were defaulting at two to five times the rate of single-family home defaults.

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So Barney Frank was plying "Hide the weenie" while the USA economy was burning down.

Wanna bet he is re-elected in 3 weeks?

Chris Dodd (from my state) was a full partner in it - Dodd claims he didn't know that he got a "Sweetheart deal" on a mortgage - but executives at the mortgage company say different - they say they sat Dodd down and went through the sweetheart deal, because they wanted him to KNOW what a good deal he got so they could get cooperation.

That amounts to be a "gift" from a company, which is not only not allowed by law, but must be reported to the senate and reported on his income taxes.

Wanna bet he is re-elected in 2010?

They are all scum - it is time for the people to take back the country from this truck load of scumbags.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, October 12, 2008, at 17:05:46 (ZULU)

Pablo: "Wanna bet he is re-elected in 3 weeks?.."

I'd imagine he will be... How the heck did he get elected all the times in the past...??? are the folks of Mass. that screwed up in the head?

Also - why is Obama not getting hammered over his 2nd Ammend. voting record??

take care all,

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Sunday, October 12, 2008, at 18:49:31 (ZULU)

My, how times have changed! When I run out of reading material,I read back issues of magazines. Right now, I'm reading NRA magazines from 2001. Back then, they were assuring us that McCain was the antichrist; I just got an e-mail from the same folks informing me that they're endorsing him for president!

I'm hoping his memory's a hell of a lot shorter than I know i is. Seven years ago, we were ready to run him out on a rail; now, we're latching onto his wrinkled old ass with both hands and puckering up!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, October 12, 2008, at 19:27:31 (ZULU)

Travis...

>"My, how times have changed! When I run out of reading material,I read back issues of magazines. Right now, I'm reading NRA magazines from 2001. Back then, they were assuring us that McCain was the antichrist; I just got an e-mail from the same folks informing me that they're endorsing him for president!

It's because who else are they gonna recommend? Bob Barr? He probably won't be on half of the state ballots, and if he is, this election is way too serious to "waste a vote"... and I hate say that, cuz I believe in protest votes, but it's just far too serious this time to make a protest vote.

I'm gonna get drunk before I go to the polls - it's just too sucky to vote for anyone this time!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, October 12, 2008, at 19:43:18 (ZULU)

All,

I foresaw a "financial correction" back in 06. The meltdown came much later and is much deeper than anticipated, but the correction has definitely occurred. And, I expect it's going to get a lot worse before it hits bottom. Not based on any kind of analysis, just paying attention to the news and my gut. Can't depend on forage to stock the table 'cause I live in the middle of shrub steppe country. Oh well, we'll manage.

JayDee

Jack D. (JD) Martin
So. Central, WA, US of A - Monday, October 13, 2008, at 10:42:08 (ZULU)

Martini Country....I recently came into two Martini Cadets, one rifle and one action; a BSA and a Greener. Anyone here ever built a varmint rifle on one?????????? A 218 bee may be in the works as the rim matches the exractors..Ideas on who could stock this project without breaking the bank??

outa here

markwell
the Alleghenies, WV, - Monday, October 13, 2008, at 14:00:18 (ZULU)

JR: By all means, bargain hunt away...but I'd give you this bit of advice: Be prepared to sell into the rally with gains, and step over to inflation hedge positions. It changes daily---but right now I'd eye 11,200 on the big board, and gold under 800 for my move the f@ck out of the sh!tstorm.

Let's review: Foriegn credit sources have dried up. The fundementals are not so sound, since we live and have lived beyond our means. Once that happened, all the idiots that thought the US had de-linked from their new economies took one in the backside, eh? The global economy turns out to be us after all, if you wanna look at it that way. But that is just starters: Ignore all the promised dollars that are out there already; just look at what we are dumping on the world right now with these daily bail outs. Money for nuthin'...too many extra dollars chasing the same amount of goods is baaaaaaad for the guy with the dollar (not so bad for the guy with the goods)---and, we have a global slowdown on goods on going right now---less stuff for all those dollars to buy up. Think auction; also think very slow motion. There's tripping points that could accelerate this, but inflation is now a fact---the only thing is, who will be the first to take a hedge position and start the ball rolling?

I'd be wary if I were you...ride it up, sure---but be smart about it and don't be stuck in equities when everyone else bails to commodities. You should plan on missing out on the last few hundred points of the rise (bargain hunters such as yourself are doing this bullish trend).

As the emporer says (before Darth chucks him into the abyss): "Everything is unfolding as I have foreseen..." You have no idea how much this scares me.

Joe M
Monday, October 13, 2008, at 15:01:24 (ZULU)

Markwell...

I have had two, and the .218 Bee is an excellent choice.

I don't know who can stock them, but I would start on Google.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, Da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, October 13, 2008, at 15:36:01 (ZULU)

HA! Double HA!!

Its a 'rare' opportunity to hear a liberal socialist admit to what he's really thinking.

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Barack Obama told a tax-burdened plumber over the weekend that his economic philosophy is to "spread the wealth around" -- a comment that may only draw fire from riled-up John McCain supporters who have taken to calling Obama a "socialist" at the Republican's rallies.

"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." -- Barack Hussein Obama

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Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Monday, October 13, 2008, at 22:34:08 (ZULU)

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