Sniper Country Duty Roster

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301728,00.html

The question is.... run or fight?

medicjim
Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 01:53:01 (ZULU)

Travis...

>" Gun room, hell! I want a gun house w/living quarters!"<

Give me an old red brick factory building on a river, with tools and guns, and work room - and in the corner, a cot, microwave and flat screen tv, and I'll be happy!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 02:27:27 (ZULU)

OK, I'll bite:

Run or Fight is the question.

The answer depends on what your mission is. I live in an area with a LOT of hispanic activity (including MS13), and some muslim presence. I've thought this through.

As I see it my personal mission is defined by a)my duty to my family who depend on me, b)my duty to my country , c)my duty to myself as a man, and d)what the law in my area will countenance on the part of a private citizen. (You do your family no good by doing the right thing only to get jailed for it) You can see that the mission will be different for different people.

-It is part of God's mercy to me (it absolutely is to some others) that I have loved ones whose safety depends on me-

What I have come to is: eyes open (that's EYES OPEN), act within the law, be prepared to kill anyone I meet.

When the threat gets too close, or something just doesn't feel right, GUARD MISSION kicks in: get the family to a safe place, gather S2 as possible & report. Pay attention to what does/doesn't get acted on. File away all for later analysis. With dependants, that analysis is aimed at whether or not to relocate.

...Once again back to 'fight or run'. The yard stick is my ability to complete the mission: that being my family's safety, then defense of the Constitution, then whatever the local Sheriff decides to think about it.

I claim no special insight, and I'll certainly listen to other's opinions/analysis. This is just where I've come after watching things go down myself, and watching the news.

Yeah, I know I'm paranoid, but am I paranoid ENOUGH?!?

Loading Question:

I'm preping some Lake City match brass from the '70s. I used Birchwood Casey brass case cleaner on them & they came nice and clean... on the outside. The inside has -I swear- rust like residue. WTH?!? Can anyone clue me in to what this is? It comes off onto a q-tip looking, again, like rust. Did Lake City use some odd powder in the match stuff back then, or have these just laid around in a rust bucket? I bought about 100rds off a guy on ebay before they shut the gun related stuff down. The outsides have some stains, but nothing like what's inside.

Thanks in advance.

SSG Mac

SSG Mac
House of WAR, - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 02:46:08 (ZULU)

SSG Mac,

You left it in there too long. The stuff is almost exactly the same color as the rouge for a polishing wheel, right?

You get the same thing from soaking brass in white (clear) vinegar. Cleans just as well, cost of about $1/gallon. No hazardous chemicals. The red stain won't want to come off in the tumbler, either. That's because brass is made mostly of Zinc and Copper, as I recall, and the Zinc has been eaten away.

My best results, with straight wall cases, anyway, came from a short soak in warm vinegar then running the marshmallow looking felt wheel on my dremel down in there. The Q-tip size is great on primer pockets.

One note, however, if you use the dremel method is that the vinegar is only marginally better than a HOT water soak, preferably with a very small amount of mild cleanser. The wet methods other than Iosso, birchwood casey, and vinegar did not leave any type of stain.

Have any of you tried ammonia, or other substances to clean cases? I'm startin' to feel like 'Lito here, playing Mr. Wizard.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 04:29:40 (ZULU)

Finger:

I'll be down there Wed/Thur/Friday this week. I'll haul over to your homestead while in your AO. Glad you're still using oxygen.

JoeM:

Thanks for the input. 30 years ago, I would be all over this like white on rice. I'm a bit more circumspect, now. Not a lot, but a bit. I'm getting older, and set in my ways, and part of this is to break out of that and stay in front of the bow wave....methinks there's some really seriously ugly stuff coming our way, and I want to be flexible enuff to play. Part of it is that I like to do the things that I'm afraid of.

SSgMac. What part of MexAmerica do you live in, again? If necessary, I guess we can posse up if it comes to that. Seems like the Mexican border is now somewhere up around Grandfield, Oklahoma these days. I actually got complained on the other day because I got scolded by some chonkla-wearing, WIC-dependent Latina about how I should speak Spanish to make her life easier, and I told here that this was, at least temporarily, still America and she should use her bilingually printed welfare papers to learn English.....

Cleaning country....I just shoot the Howas until they get squirrelly, then clean them for a few minutes to get them back under 1moa. I'm lazy. It works. OH, well....

Run if you can, then turn and fight like hell and make 'em pay.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 05:26:24 (ZULU)

Travis,

Your best case cleaning is done with a wet tumbler. Remember the Thumbler's Tumbler? Lortone makes good wet tumblers as well. Use a mixture of water, 409, and lemon juice. Mix ratio is 1 cup water, 1/4 cup 409 and 1/8 cup lemon juice. Let it run for a couple of hours and then rinse good with cold water. Outside is bright and shiny and the inside is relatively clean; not perfect, but it'll do.

Also, Brownell's sells a bucket of 3mm ceramic beads and a polishing solution that goes in with the beads and water. Works pretty good, but the beads are a PITA to get out of the cases and primer pockets.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 05:40:59 (ZULU)

case prep country:

I use corncob w/polishing agent to clean cases in a Lyman Turbo 1200. Used Flitz and something similar from German mfgr w/good results. Have some Mother's Mag Cleaner standing by for next cycle - John Shaw recommended it years ago.

http://www.mothers.com/products/productcatalog/wheelprod.html

Mag & Aluminum Polish

This is our legendary metal polish. Mothers®’ secret formula balances a brilliant shine with easy use for aluminum wheels and parts, brass, alloys and accessories. Application is just a matter of a clean cloth and a little elbow grease. Mothers® Mag & Aluminum polish is strong enough to put a shine to the most neglected metals and gentle enough to use on a regular basis.

#05100, 5 oz. #05101, 10 oz.

I've read that a lot of ammonia can be a problem, makes the brass brittle.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 05:50:14 (ZULU)

...and don't forget the final touch.... a stand up urinal next to the loading bench ;))

Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 06:09:15 (ZULU)

'Lito,

"Give me an old red brick factory building on a river, with tools and guns, and work rome - and in the corner, a cot, microwave and flat screen tv, and I'll be happy!"

My wife ain't wised up and left my crippled ass yet. I still have to have a house. That's why we're not living in a 35 foot double slide out 4 horse trailer next to a huge shop/indoor arena.

MK4,

Just where in hell have you seen a reclining or sit down urinal? HA!

I'm kinda getting to the point that brass don't REALLY need cleaned until it's been shot two or three times or got wet. Rifle ammo only gets two firings before cleaning. I noticed with my .45 acp ammo, if you fire it four times without cleaning, you start to get noticeable velocity spreads. With .45 Colt, it starts getting sticky in the cylinders. (Keep in mind, I'm staying around max loads for standard revolvers and shooting Rugers. I ONLY have Ruger centerfire revolvers, which can take way more stress than others.)

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 07:15:01 (ZULU)

One lucky son of a gun! Click.

Looks like they need to break out a box of bronze stars for the medical team!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 09:55:10 (ZULU)

Brass Cleaning

Wal Mart sells a product called NU FINISH ,it's in there automotive dept. I put about 4 tablespoons in my corn cob media, works great.

Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 10:27:21 (ZULU)

Hey all, just chiming in here.

Just wanted to let everyone know that I won my case(s) and finally recieved a cheque yesterday. I gotta say, 63 weeks of wages all at one time, seems a bit nice. But, I gots to pay off what I owe, and buy a house.

Side note though, I do have a Crusader on order. As in, there is one there, reserved for me. Now I just have to send the funds. YaY.

Also getting a 700P for the missus. Things are most definitely looking up, and it has been a long long time. It's still sinking in, ya know.

Hope to see you on the range(s).

God Bless,

Sean T.
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 14:00:05 (ZULU)

Good for you Sean !!

Just don't blow all the monies . LOL

Brass Cleaning:

I like Lito's 50/50 blend of White Issos and Dillions Blue.

4 to 5 capfulls of each into the Dillon with Pet store Corn Cob,throw

in the brass and in a couple of hours your good to go.

Good as GOLD !!

Regards,

Joisey Steve

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, US of A - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 18:47:11 (ZULU)

Congrats on the win, Sean. "Crusader on the way" just damn: I'm jealous! Hope you've got some pretty glass the mount on it.

Charles, I don't know where the border is now, but it's somewhere north of the NC foothills. I admire the mexican's willingness to work, but their clanish un-interest in assimilating drives me nuts. ...and the ones that get militant.... blood.. pressure..spikinnggg....

Now there's a news article lamenting the lack of work at an Iraq cemetery!!!! No I'm not making that up: http://www.newsobserver.com/505/story/738454.html (or click) If they're stretching THIS hard for some bad news things must be looking up. What a bunch of pinheads!

Many of those brass cleaning tips sound interesting. Don't know when Reckon I'll work my way throught them until I find one I like.

Later

Bill

SSG Mac
Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 19:13:49 (ZULU)

Couple of guys I shoot with have come up with a new product for the Harris bipod called Pod Claws and they replace the rubber feet on the Harris. They pretty much eliminate bounce and also mitigate recoil somewhat. Good review on another forum. Click on my name.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 20:05:33 (ZULU)

JC:

I'm using Pod Paws with my Harris Bipod.

http://zephyrdynamics.com/page2.html

http://www.snipercountry.com/InReviews/PodPaw.asp

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/6mmbr/vpost?id=2003723&trail=16

Would be more expensive than the claws, I like them.

Come w/optional turf spikes.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 22:13:47 (ZULU)

Mother's Mag Cleaner is sold in the automotive section of Canadian Tire.

Probably in other auto-supply places in North America too.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 22:25:18 (ZULU)

Man, with those Pod Paws and the spikes, I can practice my stalk and ariate (prolly spelt that wrong) my lawn at the same time!

Travis, you ain't kidding about those medical bubbas. Balls of steel.

S/F

Kush

Kush
Havelock, NC, United States - Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 00:31:35 (ZULU)

Pod Claws..........

They workie really good. Used them at Butner with a 308 during the last F match and was 100% impressed. Rifle comes straight back with no bounce. Tried them on a 300mag, same result. Pricey but worth it IMHO.

Bio-buggers.......

Good show on History Channel right now on bio-buggers and pandemics. Damn I love disaster stuff. We need a Y2K repeat just to get the adrenalin back up again. I should have majored in Emergency Management, I feel like I already have the degree.

AR platforms........

Ifin you wanted to build a non-223 on an AR platform what caliber would you use? I'm getting bored again.

Bolt out!

Bolt
Dry as a popcorn fart in..........., NC, - Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 02:09:44 (ZULU)

Bolt,

I may be selling my GAP AR10 upper in .260 (working up the courage). Email me through the roster and let me know exactly what you have in mind. I'll send some pics back.

medicjim
Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 02:28:27 (ZULU)

RE: Removing Live Ordinance from a Live Body-

One of my mentors worked with a surgeon who wore a Navy Cross for removing a live 60mm mortar round from the chest of an ARVN soldier. This EOD web site has a few pictures.

Anyone who mixes HE and surgery has larger brass ones than this eye guy.

Doc Mac

Doc Mac
Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 04:03:26 (ZULU)

MedicJim: Why would you want to part with the 260?

Bolt, are you talking a build on a .223-size, standard AR15? Cuz I've been wondering if the 6mm bullets could be made to perform in a necked-up 5.56x45 case. I figure if you are bored, why not wildcat me a round and get into commercial production:)) You'll need to figure out how heavy a bullet would still get inside a magazine, then what twist and all....but once you are done with proving the idea, why i might even get bored and buy one too!!!! heheh. On the other hand---if MedicJim will part with that GAP upper....go there. You might be able to snap it on that 308 lower you have (you do still have it, right???)

I would hope that magazines are the only significant differences between the various big cousins.

Ken H: I'll get you some pics and a sentence or two on what each actually is, with a yard stick in the shot for perspective.

I got done with the trim...and thought: "Ain't a damned right angle or straight edge in this dump." So I bought a case of latex caulk. Caulk is a novice's best friend. There ain't no more unsightly gaps and gouges. But there is a serious need for some touch up paint before I commit this to pics.

The whole gun room is built in the back end of a big-assed basement, alongside a spare bedroom that went in first. There are three rows of jackstands supporting the main beams, with the last row is now within the walls of the new rooms. But that encasing created a 1/8th-1/4 inch deviation along the 30 odd feet of the run of framing. Had to do it. Plus, I encased all the utilities as straight as I could get them, but that also made for some near 90 degree but not quite angles. Visually, you can't tell--it looks great. But to place a baseboard trim 8-footer---it is evident!!! The little stark white lines of caulking look straight enough at a glance--but they do get pretty wide in places:))

I learned a bunch---like why carpenters will build a run of framing, then cut the bottom board for doors afterwards (I did not do this)---the door will frame in this way easily, whereas I had to use a million wedges and some crazy twisting to make it work. PITA first class! Heheh. "Oh," says I; that is why they do that...

Well, the caulk (half a case, if you wondered how bad it was) is dry, and the first touch up coats are on...I'll have some pics in a day or two.

On topic: I am building myself another ghillie---one that will work in the fall woods and cornfields---a blend of greens and tans with a base of DCU. I brought back an xxsmall set of DCUs for Peanut; she is getting a ghillie too. She wants to come out with me again for deer this year, and since we're doing Bow right now, she'll need the camo. Of the three girls and the knucklehead, Nicole (aka Peanut) is the only one who can keep her mouth shut for any length of time:))

Speaking of knuckleheads: Guess who turned 18 this last month? And guess who graduated HS ahead of schedule thru summer school? And, guess who got samsonite's finest for a parting gift? Heheh...

Yeah...the first has flown. Man, that is a wake up call! FWIW, he is still planning on signing up--but he "wants to take the school year off and relax..." Apparently, he busted his ass to get done early so he could go and sit on it. Whatta moron! He gets that from me, I suppose:)) He at least graduated HS, so there is that! Ha! And he is sitting on his butt at his mom's place.

I get the call over the weekend:

Her "He won't do anything! No job, no chores, no nothing.."

Me: "Kick him out."

Her: "I can't do that."

Me: "Then shut up and deal with it."

Hahahahahahahahahahaha! After all that I went thru; the divorce, the custody fight from hell, the years of bad grades and worse attitudes, no support from her whatsoever ANd her undermining me at every chance (the old: "if dad is mean, you can come live with me" BS)---it was a hard thing but worth every minute and dollar, because in the end i glimpsed the man i hoped he could be. Now, she gets to be the mom she missed out on---only instead, she gets a shiftless roommate and unpaid cell bills! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! There is a God.

Joe M
Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 05:12:29 (ZULU)

Joe M.,

"There is a God." .....and he has one HELL of a sense of humor!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 07:12:07 (ZULU)

*************************SPEW ALERT!********************************

Click my name.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 09:02:48 (ZULU)

*************************SPEW ALERT!********************************

Click my name.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 09:13:24 (ZULU)

********SPEW ALERT!**********

Click. I damn near pissed myself. Funny stuff. Watch the guy trying like hell to ge out of the inner tube!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 10:07:03 (ZULU)

Good read...

First pro-hunting article I have ever seen on a National Geographic.

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/2007-11/hunters/poole-text.html

(WR. Moore, see, I got it right this time. ;) )

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 10:38:34 (ZULU)

Travis, reckon that last one ended with a well-earned ass whuppin!

SSG Mac
Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 10:58:32 (ZULU)

'Lito's lemonade stand. Click

************************SPEW ALERT**************************

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., USA - Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 11:56:08 (ZULU)

HOLY SHIT! Click.

Travis Morgan
Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 12:09:11 (ZULU)

"MedicJim: Why would you want to part with the 260?"

This upper was built for comps... it has a heavy barrel, adjustable gas port, etc. It will hang with the long guns and double tap targets at 500 yards without a problem... but run a couple miles with it and your arms will fall off. My new build trades off some long range performance to regain "M16A2 like" mobility. I now have three uppers and one lower. I'm completely out of control, which means I'm in good company here.

medicjim
Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 14:48:18 (ZULU)

Medic, if you decide to sell put me second in line as interested. I still have a lower not built

On another note I met with 5-11. They are nice guys and made a deal with me we all are happy with. I was impressed at how they handled this. Lamb called me and we worked something out there as well. Details will follow in near future but its all over in a good way.

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller
Ca, - Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 15:11:14 (ZULU)

Joe:

6mm AR has been done a few times already:

http://www.6mmar.com/

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek068.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=9&t=628808

Pick a system and reap the existing research and work already done :-)

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 23:08:49 (ZULU)

Rod: The 6mmAR is probably a result of a problem with the 6mmx45mm---a problem I did not find when browsing those links. In fact, not much is said at all about stuffing a .243 diameter bullet into a 5.55mm case other than that it is done. OK, so what does it do out on the range???

But the 6mmAR, being a shorter, fatter case, will alter the function of the magazine slightly--if nothing more than by dropping capacity. By itself--I can live with that. The SPC was supposed to workie that way too--but other issues cropped up in reality with feeding from standard mags. Right now, with the grendel, the other 6.5mm (whazzits name?), the SPC, the 6mmAR, and any other wildcat all competing to be "the next-big-thing;" there is much hyperbola and misinformation out there.

I'll be patient: The perfect solution will find me eventually. For now, I am happy playing with 75s and 77s in 7-twist barrels. The heavier stuff isn't on my menu--as I think only deviants would single-feed an autoloader. Its just plain wrong! My curiousity about the next size up bullets was sparked by this lower sitting here, all by its lonesome. And I am looking for something that is plug-and-play.

On the horse thing: Youz guys were right, it was a horse-related expenditure. The herd had been in the barn yard eating hay off the ground--and a mare got a sand blockage and about died (me and the girls were at a family party while this was going on). So she calls a vet, on a sunday, and has him treat the mare intensively, and to do some preventative maintenance on the whole herd just in case. So that bill was rather large. Bigger than a pistol large, but not quite custom rifle large. Heheheheheheh.

MedicJim: I'd tease you about the "heavy" rifle thing---only I gots one too. And that sucka is heavy---awkwardly heavy. It is all out in front, and it makes carrying it a chore. An equally heavy rifle that is better balanced is not so much of a PITA--but these heavy barrelled AR10-types carry it all way forward...

This is something I never really gave any thought to in rifles: Balance makes a huge difference in the mere act of toting it to the FP. It's like offering to help the mortar-maggots with their load in my infantry days--they'd quickly offer up the nasty-ass baseplate, but my offer was only good for the tube itself. So, it is not necessarily the wieght--but the distibution of the weight that makes the difference. I guess I knew that...but like I said--I never applied neurons to it.

Joe M
Thursday, October 18, 2007, at 02:26:34 (ZULU)

Travis: God's sense of humor has to be irony and poetic justice. I believe that--but I'd find it funny even it isn't God's work.

Bolt: Yeah! Pod paws rock! It seriously alters the shooting experience, for the better. I shot my wife's SCLE at badlands with her paws on, and it made my SPR seem like it was mounted on a moonbounce ride at a carnival. I shot it again (and again and again...) here without them, and it bounced similarly to my SPR. My only complaint is that those 12 ozs feel heavier than it is because of the forward placement.

I think the next big thing in bipods is an adapter for QD attachments of harris's bipod. He who is looking for a marketing ploy---go ahead and use this idea. And while yer at it, build me the perfect AR upper in any 24+ cal that works:)) That way, you can have the weight in a cargo pocket and just snap it on at the FP when needed. No tools needed. Yeah, i know there are other designs out there--but harris is far and away the most popular one out there. A QD attachment system for it would be handy...and, if you have the time to deploy the bipod, you have time to snap it on:))

Joe M
Thursday, October 18, 2007, at 03:09:58 (ZULU)

Joe M.

Bolt was talking about Pod Claws, not Paws. If you liked the Paws you will love the Claws. Whole different animal. The Pod Claws get rid of bipod bounce and even help to lessen felt recoil. Whatever recoil there is will be straight back because of the design of the Pod Claws. The claw attachment is articulated so you can easily load the bipod and when the rifle is fired it comes straight back so you never lose sight of the target. Yeah, I know that's the way it should be, but the Claws anchor the bipod and make it easier.

Nope, I don't get anything from them. Just know the two guys that came up with the design and am trying to help them out by telling people about the product once in a while.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Thursday, October 18, 2007, at 05:00:26 (ZULU)

JC, I actually don't know which we have--these are articulated large footers, like a ball joint; and we've got the rubber boot overshoes. I was told what they were--but heard "paws" in my head, and so ID'd them as such. But whatever they are, they are great.

Rod: Googled the 6mm thing, using 6mm-223 Rem got the results I was missing. I guess we Americans will be damned before we refer to anything in millimeters:)) I finally found a good thread on the Oly board, and decided we need a third AR platform. Maybe a slightly longer action length and mag well. The grendal has the same issue as the 7.62x39 in an AR--larger bolt face ream and potential for cracks or worse failures. The 6mm is interesting in that you can launch an equal bullet weight a little faster than the 223 version (a short, fat vs. long, skinny thing)--but you basically get nothing I really need. I was looking for an easy way to get a bigger hammer. Also re-heard an old story long forgotten: The M249 SAW was considered for a 6mm round in its early days by the army---something I remember vaguely from my 82d days when we first opened the crates on these things. Yeah, i also wore a steel pot and ate C-rats...bottom line, I may end up with one if i trip over a used upper...but I am back to the 223 for something to stick on this lonely lower in the immediate future.

Joe M
Thursday, October 18, 2007, at 05:57:23 (ZULU)

Joe:

On the QD for the Harris Bipod.

Check out Brownells Stock # 901-100-000

BIPOD SPEEDY KNOB

Mfr: TANK'S RIFLE SHOP

Fast, No-Tool Knob For Harris Bipod

Install or remove your Harris Bipod in just seconds by adding this easy-to-turn thumb knob. Mounts in place of the Harris mounting/attachment screw. Can also be used with the Harris #6A Adapter for faster bipod setting on a forend rail.

$US6.40 retail

I use that plus this on all my Harris Bipods:

100-000-326

KMW POD-LOC

Mfr: KMW LONG RANGE SOLUTIONS

No Tools Required To Lock & Unlock Bipod Swivel

Spring loaded lever replaces the Harris lock nut, provides plenty of leverage to lock or unlock the swivel using only your fingers. Provides a dust and dirt shield that protects the clutch mechanism from damage. Spring loaded lever may be parked against the stock to minimize snagging. Installation requires no modification to bipod. Used by the U.S. Military, NSN 100-09-000-2008.

SPECS: Synthetic handle, stainless steel mechanism, black, matte finish. Handle 1-1/2" (3.8cm) long. Fits Harris S-series bipods.

$US26.50 retail

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, October 18, 2007, at 10:45:30 (ZULU)

Anyone need some reamers? Click my name.

Travis Morgan
Thursday, October 18, 2007, at 12:52:48 (ZULU)

Don't buy Gas from this ass! Great billboard picturing Chavez and the CITGO logo

Here's a great billboard near Mobile, AL.

Gotta love it!

http://wkrg.com/news/article/3_letter_word_on_billboard_draws_attention/6057/

LATER Y'ALL

Jody Calhoun
Saraland, AL-Heart of Dixie, USA - Thursday, October 18, 2007, at 15:19:02 (ZULU)

Those pod-claws look intersting. I like the modular design.

http://www.phoenixtactical.com/index.html

Duman
Thursday, October 18, 2007, at 15:39:43 (ZULU)

Click my name. Man charged for tasering drowning, and beating a possum with a shovel. Possum still didn't confess to anything.

I'm betting the folks that are charging him have never tried to kill a possum without a gun before. They're tough little bastards.

Travis Morgan
Thursday, October 18, 2007, at 16:31:52 (ZULU)

Musharif has his hands full today. Bhutto came home, and someone (likely AQ) took a shot at her with a pair of bombs. AQ is likely, though i wouldn't put it past Musharif to try it himself. Either way, he will have to step up efforts to go after the shitbags in whats-in-here-a-stan--to 1) revenge, or 2) to keep up appearances to cover his own tracks. All the news outlets see this as a setback and terrible for everything. Ha! I see it as a good thing, especially since whoever did it missed the target and got bystanders instead. Now, the push to action will be internal and international and may just get a serious incursion into the lawless region. Wouldn't it be something if this event results in the Pakis bagging Bin Hidin'???

Jody: I've avoid Shitgo fuel for a few years now. I get the "but what about the locals that work for this company; these stores are locally owned." Whatta 'bout 'em? If it is "locally owned"--then they can contract with shell or mobil/ exxon for all I care. Or get a new line of work. If the market forces of change are so bad---why the hell don't we all just regress back to horse drawn wagons, axes, and sustinance hunting. Mark my words--when someone perfects the anti-grav hovercar, the UAW will seek an injunction against its manufacture to protect their jobs. Look, if you are employed in the manufacture of oil laterns, I feel for ya--I really do---but I am still going to flick the switch when the sun goes down...Heheh.

Joe M
Thursday, October 18, 2007, at 21:18:50 (ZULU)

JoeM,

Musharif has been hanging by a thread from the beginning, he serves at the will of the military, Pakistan intelligence/secret service, and Islamist nutcases. He could be bounced any day, or any hour, if the military wanted to bounce him. Any incursion into the 'lawless' region will be something to see. Preferably, from a distance.

Turks are going to invade northern Iraq to squash a few Kurds. Nothing like another vector to deal with.

Duman
Thursday, October 18, 2007, at 21:48:47 (ZULU)

6mm SAW and other versions of the same thing have been about since the 70's. It was the project just after the SPIW/SALVO program fell on it's face and was finally dead and buried IIRC. The flechette rifle came back a little bit with the ACR program in the 80's.

My Dad runs a varient of the 6mm-250IMP called the .240 NMC, he likes it. Also out there is the 6mm WOA, which is the 6.8SPC necked down to 6mm IOT use the more aero 6mm bullets as well as reduce recoil for rapid fire strings in High Power competition. The old man has one of those as well. This cartridge is a John Holliger invention and seems rather good for the NM course of fire.

I like the plain 6.8SPC because it is best at what I consider important in the weapon's size I wish to carry. I value making people dead when I shoot them at the ranges I commonly shoot them at, which has generally been a lot closer than people want to think. YMMV, get what fits your needs.

I run basically identical setups for my SPR. One is 5.56, the other is 6.8SPC. The 5.56 is 18" Noveske, the 6.8SPC is 18" Walther barrel LWRC gas piston. Optic is 3.5-10 M3, with Troy BUI's and Surefire 961 series white light when that is called for, otherwise I stick a PEQ-2 on there.

I have to give "props" to Lito for his dark rum & lime juice recipe. Two doubles of dark Bacardi, a little sugar water and some fresh limes will cure what ails you. Near as I can tell, I've had to re-type this post about a dozen times:) S/F....Ken M

Ken M
Friday, October 19, 2007, at 08:08:39 (ZULU)

Flechette RIFLE?

Where the hell do I get one of those? No reason on earth I NEED one, but I sure want one, now!

Travis Morgan
Friday, October 19, 2007, at 10:48:38 (ZULU)

Ken M.

>"I have to give "props" to Lito for his dark rum & lime juice recipe. Two doubles of dark Bacardi, a little sugar water and some fresh limes will cure what ails you. Near as I can tell, I've had to re-type this post about a dozen times:) S/F....Ken M"<

Ken, thanks - they ARE good. But the best way to make them is with Captain Morgan's Spiced Run - then you don't need the sugar water.

You faw down, go boom! ;))

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, October 19, 2007, at 11:39:27 (ZULU)

KILL THE "BONG-ING"!!

Do any of you'z bums know if something is made to kill the ringing of Harris bi-pod springs after a shot.

Some kind of damper or somfin??

I hear it through contact with the stock. It's not "critical" but it's annoying.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, October 19, 2007, at 12:57:25 (ZULU)

Catshooter,

Try weaving a heavy rubber band (#64 from Office Depot) through the spring to absorb the 'twang. It may take some effort to make it work and not interfere with the spring.

Trajan

Trajan Aurelius
East Bay, Kalifornya, USA - Friday, October 19, 2007, at 18:38:11 (ZULU)

"Do any of you'z bums know if something is made to kill the ringing of Harris bi-pod springs after a shot."

A suppressor works fine... :-)

Lindy
The Northern Occupied Territories of Mexico, Texas, U.S.A. - Friday, October 19, 2007, at 19:01:11 (ZULU)

Lito,

Have you tried sleeves on those springs? They don't flex much between open & closed, and any sleeve thick enough to contact the leg while open would stablized the spring (I'd think). Any old tubing cut to length and split longwise would go on easily, and be cheap to boot. If you wanted to get fancy you might try sewing sleeves from some neoprene fabric, but I wouldn't bother.

Mac

SSG Mac
Friday, October 19, 2007, at 20:35:08 (ZULU)

Sleeved Harris bipod springs

Haven't tried it, but if I wanted sleeves there are a lot of different sizes in heatshrink tubing available in clear and black.

Installing would be the pain, since you would have to remove and re-install a spring to sleeve it.

http://www.digikey.com among others has heat shrink tubing.

4 ft lengths would be good choice.

sugg FIT® General Purpose, Irradiated Polyolefin, Water Proof in clear.

Avail in .375, .5 and .75" dia among others.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, October 19, 2007, at 22:27:47 (ZULU)

Never noticed any sounds, is it the plastic stock reverberating? I'd expect that shrink fit electrical insulating sleeves would be just the ticket. Shrink 'em just enough for a no motion fit.

WR Moore
Friday, October 19, 2007, at 23:06:49 (ZULU)

'Lito,

Stuff a couple ear plugs into the coils. It'll dampen the springs without keepin them from stretching and retracting properly.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 00:15:16 (ZULU)

>" Never noticed any sounds, is it the plastic stock reverberating? I'd expect that shrink fit electrical insulating sleeves would be just the ticket. Shrink 'em just enough for a no motion fit."<

I hear it with both wood and fiberglass stocks - I wonder if a piece of rubber tube would work... or some of that clear plastic tube from home depot - slit it, and slip it over the spring??

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 00:16:12 (ZULU)

Lito,

That's what I had in mind: something fairly thick-walled, and soft durometer. If it wears out who cares: put on another.

Mac

SSG Mac
Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 00:44:53 (ZULU)

Click my name. One more time for the squirrel catapault.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 05:05:00 (ZULU)

re: Harris springs

Maybe pump em full of that thar silly cone stuff? I used silly cone "whiskers" on my bow quickie quiver to muffle the vibes and it worked pretty good. Cheaper than the Simms rubber products and just as durable.

Steve Racer
somewhere in Dillsburg, PA, - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 06:09:28 (ZULU)

Love my Marine comrades! From National Review's blog The Tank:

CAPTURE THE FLAG! [W. Thomas Smith Jr.]

I snatched a Hezbollah flag — the yellow banner with the green fist and rifle — from one of the enemy's strongholds in Lebanon recently. And when I say stronghold, I literally mean a strong, heavily defended battle position where the Lebanese Army and police dare not enter, and I had to enter covertly.

Kathryn knows about it. I'm pretty sure she thinks I'm nuts. I'm also pretty sure she might be right. But I did it for two reasons:

First, in my often flawed logic I figured that if the terrorists caught me taking the flag, they would — as expressed by a former Christian militiaman who was with me at the time — “cut my head” (meaning “cut my head off”). But the way I saw it, they would “cut my American head” if they caught me flag or no flag anyway.

Second, I hate those guys. Hezbollah, you'll remember, murdered 241 of my brothers when they blew up the Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983 when I was just a wee-rifleman in the Corps. The enemy stronghold where I snatched the flag was not far from the site of the bombing.

Of course, because there were others involved with me in the flag capture who are still in Lebanon, I cannot — for the sake of their own security — detail the particulars of our little mission.

So what am I going to do with the flag? I haven't decided.

I actually captured two flags: a big one and a little one.

I might keep the little one — or give it to Kathryn — and give the big one to my Navy midshipman nephew, Michael. That way he and his buddies can hang it upside down (as a trophy of war) somewhere in their dorm.

Semper Fidelis.

Mr. Smith, Sir, you got big ol' brass ones. That stunt is almost... CAVALRY-like!

Edited to add: Of course, a Cavalryman would've gotten their booze too.

Mac

SSG Mac
Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 14:33:04 (ZULU)

If a guy had the proper paperwork and license, could he purchase a Mechem NTW 20mm Bolt gun? Where would one look? I was looking for an exporter and price. I was wondering if one could actually still legally buy this stuff and bring it in. I was asked to find a price and legal exporter for this system if it is possible.

If you can't help me with that info can you tell me if you ever heard of a USAAS 12, shotgun. It's suppose to look like an AR15 / M16 only it is a 12 gage. I cannot find any reference to it.

Any help would be appriciated.

S/F

Finger

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 14:58:22 (ZULU)

USAS 12 (drum/magazine fed 12ga select-fire sgn)

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh16-e.htm

Type: gas operated semi-auto or selective fired

Gauge: 12 (2 3/4 in shells - 70 mm chamber )

Length: 960 mm

Barrel length: 460 mm

Weight 5.5 kg empty, 6.2kg loaded with 10 rounds

Capacity: 10 rounds box or 20 rounds drum detachable magazines

History of USAS-12 shotgun is rather interesting. Its design grew up from 1980's vintage designs of Maxwell Atchisson (see Atchisson assault shotgun). In about 1989, Gilbert Equipment Co (USA) decided to bring up the selective fired weapon, broadly based on principles, employed in Atchisson shotguns. The design of new weapon was produced by someone John Trevor Jr. Since Gilbert Equipment Co had no manufacturing capabilities, it started to look for possible manufacturers. It turned out that the only maker that agreed to produce this weapon was South Korean company Daewoo Precision Industries, a part of high-tech DAEWOO conglomerate. Daewoo engineers adopted the new weapon to their manufacturing techniques, and mass production commenced during early 1990s. This gun sold well to military and security forces of several (unspecified) countries in Asia, and more than 30 000 of USAS-12 shotguns were made by mid-1990s. During the same timeframe Gilbert equipment Co tried to bring semi-automatic version of USAS-12 to US market, but BATF promptly classified this weapon as "having no sporting purpose", so it became "Class III destructive device" under US 1934 Gun Control Act. This greatly restricted its civilian use. During late 1990s, RAMO Defence Co began to assemble USAS-12 shotguns from Korean and US-made parts for sale on domestic market, but then again, sales of this weapon were limited to government agencies only. Today, this gun is generally not available in USA, but it is probably still is being manufactured by Daewoo in Korea.

USAS-12 is a gas operated, selective fire weapon. It uses a gas system located above the barrel, with more or less conventional rotating bolt locking. The interesting feature, borrowed from Atchisson designs, is the long bolt overtravel, which results in relatively low peak recoil and low rate of fire, which is essential for weapon firing powerful 12 gauge shells. USAS-12 is an ambidextrous weapon, having two ejection ports on each side of the receiver, and two slots on the forearm for cocking handle. The ejector on the bolt and the cocking handle could be easily set to operate either side of the gun, depending on the present shooter needs and preferences. USAS-12 is feed from large capacity box or drum magazines, holding 10 and 20 rounds respectively (there are some sources that indicate that earlier versions of the USAS-12 were imported into USA with 12 and 28 rounds magazines). The polymer buttstock is hollow and is used as a space for bolt group to recoil, so the folding butt version is unavailable for this design. USAS-12 has a post type, hooded front sight at the top of the gas chamber and an adjustable rear sight built into the carrying handle, similar to one found on M16 assault rifles.

USAS-12 is very bulky and heavy, but the large mass greatly improves the recoil control, especially in full automatic (bursts) mode.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 15:26:06 (ZULU)

Class 3 US papered USAS 12 unit - $3200

http://www.gunsamerica.com/976207651/Guns/Pistols/Class-3/USAS_12_AR15_STYLE_SHOTGUN.htm

If Uncle Sam is your purchasing agent, suspect you could get one from

Daewoo in S. Korea for much less.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 15:30:24 (ZULU)

Thank you so much. I just never worried about such huge stuff. I came from the travel light--- freeze at night svhool of thought. ;)

S/F

Finger

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 15:55:21 (ZULU)

re: USAS 12

With the weight of the ammunition required, almost qualifies as crew-served. Really need an ammo-bearer for all that 12ga fodder for full-auto usage. Sure would put a lot of lead downrange in a hurry for close contact usage.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 17:06:14 (ZULU)

or from a vehicle, it would make a kick ass break-contact weapon.

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 18:57:34 (ZULU)

Catman just wrap legs with cloth camo tape. It will take care of that problem and as it gets used it will fray and get minor ghillie effect.

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller
Ca, - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 19:12:10 (ZULU)

hay all

we the israely sivil guard shooters r no longer a part off police in israel .

all units closed .

sam lawyers decided it's not job for police to heve snipers

i'ts good for attack not for defence ???

see what Howard Linett writes

http://www.newmediajournal.us/guest/h_linett/10022007.htm

avi

avi
haifa, israel, is - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 21:58:36 (ZULU)

Avi....it appears as if your lawyers are as limp-dicked and stupid as ours are. Is it genetic? Maybe there's a secret place they have to go to after they pass the bar exams to have a lobotomy and testicle-ectomy.

Does anybody know how peacocks taste? Someone here in my vicinity used to raise them, and moved away, leaving the wretched creatures. they appear fat and sassy, but I'm about to go nuts with all the screaming and mewling they do. Do they smoke up good? Or shoul I deep-fry them like a turkey?

Finger......missed your call again. Called right back and no answer. Whassup?

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 22:19:17 (ZULU)

Peacock:

http://members.tripod.com/~BayGourmet/askchef.html

Peacock is a dark, sweet, juicy meat not unlike duck but considerably less fatty. I recommend checking the degree of fat on the carcass, and barding (draping with fat bacon or rubbing/injecting with butter or oil) if the bird is a lean one. Simple roasting or braising will bring out its unique and delicate flavor; do not overcook peafowl. A good herbal pairing would be herbs du provence with lavender and thyme, or perhaps fresh rosemary. Roasted or braised root vegetables or squashes are another good accompaniment to this delicately flavored and savory meat.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 22:25:21 (ZULU)

Asked by a CBS 60 Minutes II reporter during a Precision Rifle course why he does what he does, Clint Smith replied, "We train snipers because there are people who need to be shot."

I'm unaware of any place in which that statement doesn't apply. Perhap in Heaven... I'm sure it's true in Hell, but the Devil probably has alternative methods of dealing with them.

Sorry, Avi, but perhaps in time they will realize the error of their ways.

Lindy
The Northern Occupied Territories of Mexico, Texas, U.S.A. - Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 22:30:06 (ZULU)

WTF? Click.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 00:41:28 (ZULU)

Have you ever carried a bucket of STOOPID with you to a match??????

Well today I carried a 5 gallon bucket full to Butner. Four 600 yard matches today. I sucked.....pure and simple sucked. FOR SALE: all my rifles and shooting stuff. I'm gonna take the proceeds and buy knitting yarn, sit in my recliner and never again have to think about how to shoot through 6 range flags flying 6 different directions and a boiling mirage.......life will be good.

Bolt out!

Dumb shit
still drier than a popcorn fart in....., NC, - Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 02:08:26 (ZULU)

Bolt,

You didn't go and do anything stupid(destructive) to your stick afterwards, did ya?

Go shoot a cowboy match today. They're fuyn, and you ain't gonna win anything, no matter where you place.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 12:54:39 (ZULU)

SSG Mac, Get Rush Limbaugh to auction those flags off for a few

million bucks.

He's raised a s**t load of money for fallen Marine & Federal LEO

kid's College fund.

Over $ 4 Million !!!!!

Regards,

Joisey Steve

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, US of A - Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 13:23:13 (ZULU)

Bolt,

You have to screw up sometime, or you quit trying. Besides, where's the fun if it's too easy?

Are you still in FayetteNam? I've done the little LR stuff I've ever done at Oak Ridge, never been to Butner even when I was in Division (low those many years ago). It looks like an outstanding facility & program.

Q: Butner states on thier website that there's no M118 allowed. My load is worked up for Lake City brass, and 175 SMKs; how're they gonna know they're handloads? Headstamp? Mine's mostly LC-90, but I've got some 77 MATCH I'm working through too. Don't want to show up as the New Guy, and create problems.

Gentlemen, what's the collective opinion on Lapua brass. I know it's well thought of, but is it worth the price difference? Using Lake City, I'm accustomed to a lot of brass prep, & sorting for weight. Is that not required for match grade consistency with Lapua? I just don't see paying many times the cost only to do all the same work. Thinking of going with Winchester brass instead: they seem to use good QA on their alloy, and costs much less. Lake City is just getting too hard to find now.

Mac

SSG Mac
Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 13:46:08 (ZULU)

Mac.......

Never lived in Fayettenam.....always been here in the Triad.

Butner.........

It has been said by many a shooter that if you can shoot successfully at Butner you can shoot successfully most anywhere else. The butner range is surrounded by high trees on 3 side and a monster berm with high trees behind the pits. Each 100 yard line is a berm all the way back to 1000. The wind comes over the trees, drops down and swirls. I've seen 8 wind flags blowing in 8 different directions......but that is the wind at 12 feet above the ground. The wind you don't see is up where your bullet is arcing especially for 223 and 308. The wind on the ground blows up the berms from the front and hits the rifle right at the muzzle. The wind blowing up your panties from the back blows up the back side of the berms. Theoretically speaking you have 10 berms, 3 sides of high trees and a monster berm screwing with the wind. However, there are constants that you can look for, espcially depending on which side of the range your target is on. Yesterday for whatever reason I was tunnel visioned on 2 flags on the left side of the range and the mirage. They weren't matching worth a damn. Then I quit looking at the flags and concentrated on the mirage, bummer also. I was shooting worse than normal and my bud asked my what the hell I was looking at. Then it dawned on me that the left side flags weren't catching the wind like normal. He is left handed and was watching the right side flags. Hard as hell to watch right side flags when you are right handed. You have to pull your head off the stock, look up, catch the flags as they are coming back up to your sighter shot configuration, drop your head back down and get the shot off weally weally fast. This causes problems in itself because you are constantly trying to get your head back in the same position. Once I got in that rythem I picked up 7-9 points for the next two matches. Too friggin late....... It pays to go back over your range dope before you shoot at Butner. You can catch constants but you have to watch the time left on the clock. The great shooters that have been shooting down there since the beginning of time don't even have to think about what's going on.

With no range longer than 200 yards around here I just can't get the long range practice in needed to keep up with these guys between 600 and 1000 yards. It seems like I'm always practicing rather than competing. Even then I'm still grateful to 1) have a 200 yard range 30 mintues from the house and 2) to have a great place like Butner to shoot long range only an hour and a half from the house.

I'm not sure why they don't like military 118. Most everyone shooting 308's in the TR class use 175's with any type of brass they have. I had my go at 190's but have determined that the 175's day in and day out are for some reason more consistant. I use Win brass cause it is realitively cheap and is damn good brass. I've never seen the cost ratio benefit to use Lapua or Norma high dollar brass except for the fact that you don't have as much prep time with them as you do with Win (depending on how much prep you do to your brass).

Travis.........

Fortunately I don't destroy riffles like I used to destroy golf clubs (before I gave it up). I'm going to start shooting some long range 22lr this winter and also some XTC matches for a diversion.

Bolt out!

Bolt
Recovering from yesterday......., NC, - Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 14:29:31 (ZULU)

Bolt,

The same has been said about Hathcock Range at Stone Bay, CamLej. Have you ever made that trip when they were shooting LR matches on that range.

I do remember some wild wind days on the range at Kaneohe Bay Hawaii. The range was inside of an old instict valcano If I recall correctly. The wind always depended on where you were at on the line.

S/F

Finger

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 14:59:29 (ZULU)

SSG Mac;

There has been a rash of quality problems concerning Lapua brass recently. It varies from tight to loose primer pockets to soft brass. Take a look at the forum on long-range.com, there is a topic about it there.

My issues are with a batch of .308 I bought about 6 months ago. Out of 100 pieces, about 40 or so would not take a CCI BR2 primer. The pocket was too tight. I could fit a Winchester WLR primer but really snug. After about two to three firings, all the cases had very loose primers pockets with about half of them leaking.

Bolt;

The wind flags at Pascagoula do that also. It gets frustrating trying to figure it out so I take the easy way out and hold center mass and hope for the best.

Don't piss in the Amazon:

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=797

LATER Y'ALL

Jody Calhoun
Saraland, AL-Heart of Dixie, USA - Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 15:06:11 (ZULU)

Rod, thanks for the info. You've probably sealed the doom of at least one of the little &*($'ers. Although, after watching some hunting videos of TK & Mike, I'm not sure duck is the best comparison.

Rifle cleaning....I've always found it tedious and boring. Found a new concoction that at least takes the "tedious" out of it. Laphroaig. It seems to work by affecting time/space recognition, so that two hours swabbing a bbl doesn't seem as long. Seems to work best with a 6x50 Favorita de Nicaraugua. I'll have to do some more research on it and get back with you in coming days.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 16:57:31 (ZULU)

Does anyone have Geoff Corn's address or phone number? My .300 is ailing and needs help from someone who knows what he's doing.

CDC'
Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 17:10:44 (ZULU)

CDC...

>" Does anyone have Geoff Corn's address or phone number? My .300 is ailing...."<

Give it two 190 SMKs and call him in the morning ;)

(De' debil made me say it ;)

E-Mail Bravo - I think he has Geoff's info.

How did your hunt end?

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 18:44:07 (ZULU)

Some more update on cleaning (I know... you're bored with it by now :((

Two riffles...

I unpacked a lovely riffle that I haven't shot in so many years, that they don't make the bullet I used for it's best load anymore :((

It is a Browning B-78, a beautiful copy of the Winchester High-wall. It is in 6mm Remington, and has a 15 power, 2+ foot long Unertl "Ultra Varmint" scope on it - complete with "return to battery" spring, and black micrometer mounts - it is beautiful, and a classic American style Woodchuck riffle...

... and I hadn't cleaned it when I packed it away (I was moving from NY to Connecticut - that's my story, and I'm sticking to it! ;)

I ran a wet patch (#9) through it, and it came out green right away. Let it sit for about 10 minutes. Hit it with another patch, and BIG green came out of it.

Two more wet patches, and no more green... just a little gray.

That was the fastest I have done a dirty barrel. I'm now dead convinced that brass brushes are the enemy (but maybe useful sometimes).

This is one that I did a really through cleaning on a few weeks ago - it is a .223, Winchester Custom Shop Sharp Shooter, v 1.0 (McMillan A2 stock, Gary Schneider barrel, Jewell trigger).

I had stripped this puppy down to it's shorts last month cuz there was an accuracy problem that had plagued me for several years. It turned out to be two things... first, the Jewell trigger was hitting the stock in such a way that the action could not sit into the glass bedding perfectly (the Jewell was fitted after the riffle was built). And the scope turned out to be the real culprit - first "bad" scope that I have ever had (bad enough to effect the grouping). I cleaned up the place where the trigger was hitting, and put a 6.5-20 Nikon Monarch scope on it

Anyway... when putting it back together, I scrubbed the hell out of the barrel... and hit it with all the cleaners from #9 to CR-12, and you could eat off the lands ;).

I put 150 rounds through it last Thursday (and it is a dream), and when I ran a wet patch through it (#9) just a little gray.

I let it soak, and ran another through it - gray.

And another and another... gray.

This is the first time I have ever seen a barrel not copper foul with 150 rounds through it.

Makes one appreciate fine barrels.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 20:30:05 (ZULU)

Butner range flags- Hey Bolt, those flags are nylon, not cotton like the wind charts are made for. They're only good for direction.

I did decent there at 1K exactly twice. The first time, the previous years senior champion was doing my scoring. Since it was my first time, he was gentle and started calling the wind for me after he realized IHFC. My score still sucked, but I started to look like I knew what I was doing in the second string. The second time, I used the flag on the right at the far end for stable condition and shot when it was hanging.

I laughed at the heat shields on the barrels. Not no more. After about 10-12 rounds, the heat shimmer starts getting serious.

My wife needs to sell the @#$#$%%^^&* horses, don't have time to shoot.

WR Moore
Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 21:07:02 (ZULU)

Charles:

Anything as noisy as a peacock doesn't deserve an undisturbed retirement :-)

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 22:52:12 (ZULU)

Charles,

I will gladly drive down to your AO and help you zap the varmint or varmints. Late one night in the previous century I was weaving my way along a dimly lit sidewalk that led from the "O" Club to the BOQ in Rota, Spain. About halfway to the BOQ a damned peacock let out a scream and I thought someone was being killed. I finished my trip in record time! The next morning, after sobering up, I retraced my steps expecting to find blood everywhere. That was when I found the peacocks in a pen next to the walk. I've wanted to get even for years.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The windy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Sunday, October 21, 2007, at 23:44:09 (ZULU)

I'd really like to load some baby peacocks into a cannon, and fire it at a brick wall. I hate those noisy, messy bastards.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, October 22, 2007, at 03:36:25 (ZULU)

Travis,

I got a mental picture of that one. See if you can round up THAT video.

er-EEE-ah....er-EEE-ah....PLOOMPF!!! Kinda like that pigeon on the corner of the barn roof with the 30/30 when I was a kid.

Steve Racer
somewhere in Dillsburg , PA, USA - Monday, October 22, 2007, at 05:14:48 (ZULU)

Steve,

One of my faves was a bunny with a 30-30 using 180 gr. core loct at about 10 ft.. He was broadside, but just as I was about to pull the trigger, he pivoted to face me. Bunny fluff everywhere. I found 2 pieces(30 feet apart), and there wasn't enough there to feed a kitten.

Anyone else have a good "blowing stuff up" hunting story?

'Lito,

What was the site where the guy was hunting cats with a mortar?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, October 22, 2007, at 08:11:31 (ZULU)

Travis Dudeski...

You need to get some sleep - you can't stay up all night and wonder about things like mortar fire on cats ;)))

http://www.buckstix.com/CoehornMortarHunt.htm

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, October 22, 2007, at 10:38:26 (ZULU)

"hunting feral cats with a cohorn mortar" LOL!.. ROTFLMAO!!!!

....here Kitty Kitty! Looks much more fun than hunting deer with a Bushmaster, at least more challenging. Heh heh, the wife'll be wondering what I'm grinning about today ;))

SSG Mac
Monday, October 22, 2007, at 11:32:58 (ZULU)

My wife and cousin conspired to make I and some other family members go on a forced march this weekend- (they called it a corn maze) and the whole time, I was thinking how cool it'd be if they kicked all the people out, and let me hunt deer and coons with my .45 Colt. That woulda been the SHIT! Even thought it'd be interesting to "jump hunt" deer with a bow in there.

Was wondering if any of you have gotten to do something similar in the corn fields?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, October 22, 2007, at 12:26:40 (ZULU)

Been gone for a while, man it takes a lot of reading to catch up when you haven't done so in a month or more.

I about fell out reading about your Peacock fantasy travis.

I've got a blow up story. I have a TC Contender in .223. Many years ago I was at my uncles place, he has several hundred acres. He told me to clean out the cat population as there were way too many running around the place. Not a problem I told him. I was shooting some kind of reloads with 55 grain soft points. The first kitty I came upon was about 35 yards away, sitting there looking straight at me. Nobody had been shooting them, so they were'nt too scared yet. Anyhow, I hit him in the center of the chest, and he just collapsed right there. I went to check out my handiwork, and that bullet had totally vaporized everything from his chest to his butt. There wasn't anything left inside him. You could lay him out like a bearskin rug, which I did, close to the road, so everyone could see how good I did. I guess the word got out in the cat neighborhood, cause they were a lot harder to find out in the open after that.

Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Monday, October 22, 2007, at 13:32:29 (ZULU)

Tony,

When I got my first .223, a mini-14, I was just dying to try out my V-max loads. I spotted a bunny about ten yards from one of the dogs, about 150 yards out, so I let fly. Bunny just sat there. -Til I pointed to him, and the dog went for him. He was running like his ass was scalded, and I walked out to where he'd been sitting, wondering how in HELL I couldn't shoot minute of bunny at that range with irons. When I got there, all his guts were sitting there in a pile, but he still managed to outrun our best dog!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, October 22, 2007, at 13:44:07 (ZULU)

Micheal Yon: always worth reading, rarely comfortable.

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/resistance-is-futile.htm

-or click

Mac

SSG Mac
Monday, October 22, 2007, at 14:17:21 (ZULU)

"...If a guy had the proper paperwork and license, could he purchase a Mechem NTW 20mm Bolt gun? Where would one look? I was looking for an exporter and price. I was wondering if one could actually still legally buy this stuff and bring it in. I was asked to find a price and legal exporter for this system if it is possible..."

Jim

I believe that the 1968 GCA banned anything breach loading over .50 caliber unless a dewart or otherwise disabled (non-functioning).

Jerry

Jerry
Annapolis, MD, USA - Monday, October 22, 2007, at 16:47:50 (ZULU)

Thanks Jerry. I figured it was not legal to import, but I have not really kept up on changes and such.

S/F

Finger

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Monday, October 22, 2007, at 17:25:44 (ZULU)

Subject: Winchester needs help!!!
Hope this finds everyone well. I haven't posted in a while, or been here for that matter, but the job just let up for the winter.

It seems I've run into new territory that I need some help with. I recently purchased a Winchester Model 70 in 25 WSSM. Here's my problem. Everything I've owned in the past, both model 70 LA's and Model 700's have had 2 screws that held the action to the stock. I've never owned a Model 70 that had three screws and am wondering if this is peculiar to the WSSM family of rifles or if all short actions have thre screws like this one.

I bought the gun for my daughter to hunt with and found the accuracy lacking. 3MOA with the best hand loads that I can come up with. I've tried 2 powders, 3 bullets and infinite different charges and bullet combinations. I've also tried 3 different factory ammo's. I'm going to send the thing back to Winchester cause they said it should shoot at least 2MOA. I know I'm capable of 1/4 to 1/2 with my 300 RUM with hand loads. After it gets back I'm going to change out the crappy stock to a McMillan or H&S. Also, I'm probably going to have it rebarreled before next season. I just figured I'd let Winchester true everything up and anything else that they might do for free before I start paying for custom stuff. You guys ought to see the sloppyness of this gun build. No wonder they closed New Haven. QC had gone out the door.

My question is what's up with the 2-3 screws. Is 3 the normal for model 70 SA's or just to this new family of guns. Can I order any Model 70 SA stock and it have the right amount of screw holes in the right places.

Give me any info/experience you guys can on the gun. I know I had to send a Model 70 Laredo in 300 win mag back to the factory for them to get it right. But it had the barrel and stock I wanted on it from the factory. It just needed a few adjustments to make it accurate.

Sorry for the long post, but I had to get it all out.

Jeff "not the Col." Cooper
Gadsden, Tn, - Monday, October 22, 2007, at 18:33:18 (ZULU)

Note in from the owner at Anzio:

"...Buying over 50 cal requires a 200$ tax stamp and is just like buying a suppressor. If you are a non-DD dealer the ATF will still let you transfer one or two a year since there is so few DD dealers. The person buying it would either need a chief of police or county judge to sign off or have a corporation buy it. Just let me know if you have any other questions..."

Not sure if classIII and DD (destructive devices) are the same....

Anyhow - Jim - looks like you can call up, place your order and get the transfer started (provided the local folks sign off)...

Take care all --

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Monday, October 22, 2007, at 18:37:52 (ZULU)

Getting reports in that Malibu California has one big fire running. The update stated that 150 strike teams have been requested (that's 5 engines per team, roughly a crew of 4 each...750 engines and 3000 firefighters!). The evacuation so far is over a quarter million people.

I am sooooo glad we don't have brush fires on that scale where I serve....

medicjim
Monday, October 22, 2007, at 19:59:07 (ZULU)

MedicJim...

>"Getting reports in that Malibu California has one big fire running. The update stated that 150 strike teams have been requested (that's 5 engines per team, roughly a crew of 4 each...750 engines and 3000 firefighters!). The evacuation so far is over a quarter million people."<

Maybe some day, the Eco Nazi yuppies will learn from the past, and let the state clear the dead underbrush out of those canyons.

It happens every year, over and over... and nothing changes, but firefighters die for the "scenery" and property values!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, October 22, 2007, at 22:23:14 (ZULU)

Dumbass DuJour == Discovery of the Day

Foaming Copper Remover: Not for use in AR-15. The Schtuff blows back thru the gas tube. Ugly.

Ok, ok,.... so I win the "DUH!" award.....

Duman
Tuesday, October 23, 2007, at 02:37:38 (ZULU)

Duman Carburator or Brake cleaner cleans out gas tubes of oil and water based solvents without leaving much residue in places that you can't get to. I think the high dollar brake cleaner is best because believe it or not, it has the least ammount of water. Go figure, stuff going in the carb having less water.

Everyone give me some feed back on previous post. Let me be lazy and not have to google all this stuff.

Thanks

Jeff Cooper
Gadsden, Tn, - Tuesday, October 23, 2007, at 13:30:30 (ZULU)

Jeff,

I bought a Win 70 Coyote in 7WSM. It has the three screw base and I found out the hard way that the action is slightly different than a standard 'short action'. The mag well dimensions are exactly the same as standard action, but the drilled and tapped holes on top do not match.... I had to buy a tapered base made special for the WSM.

The Coyotes come in a very nice laminated wood stock.... I had mine rebarrelled and didn't want to hog out the barrel channel, else I could have kept it on.

medicjim
Tuesday, October 23, 2007, at 14:02:27 (ZULU)

Jim thanks for the input. I bought the gun because I loked the ballistics for a light recoiling gun for my daughter. I figure it will be sufficient enough for a 300yd deer rifle, which is more than her accuracy limit.

When I took the rifle apart I was supprised at the shoddy workmanship. I also read on winchester's website that their light barreled rifles were supposed to have some light contact in the barrel channel. I read this after I floated the barrel by removing a contact point. It didn't seem to make a difference in accuracy but I put another contact point in with a piece of wooden doweling that happened to fit into a circular hole inside the stock, under the barrel. I will play with its length"pressure on barrel" to see if I can make it make a difference. I guess I'll have to talk to H&S and McMillian to figure out the correct stock instead of going through MidwayUSA. I seem to remember one of them offering fitting of stocks to my action for a not so nominal fee.

I'll get all this done after this deer season because she refuses to shoot my 300RUM for some reason. The 25 WSSM shoot into 8 inches at 200yds as it is. Rediculus. But that is about her limit anyway. Afterwards I'll change the stock and barrel.I may even let her hunt with my AR and just limit her to 150 yards. It's funny that Rock River guarentees and will shoot 1moa in an assult rifle and Winchester doesn't guarentee, but says it should shoot 2moa. What has the gun manufacturing world gone to? I guess Winchester is having to spend so much money on lobyists and lawyers that they are skimping on QC. I hate it's that way. I better stop now I'm starting to rant. I just want a gun that's more accurate than my abilities and that my daughter will shoot.

Guys, Give me some opinions on Douglas, Hart, Krieger, and Shilen. I prefer Lilja. Also give me some new gunsmith references cause mine has retired & refuses to buy a 25 WSSM chamber reamer, and etc. Feel free to E-mail me.

Oh well, my wife woke up and it's time to spend time with her before she goes to work.

Keep your heads down, covered and safe.

Jeff Cooper
Gadsden, TN, - Tuesday, October 23, 2007, at 16:10:15 (ZULU)

Catman, I do not agree with you on this issue. The problem is not that simple. The state is just freakin huge. There is a reason the old " A country boy will survive" Song includes California. The states wild country could swallow the state you live in many many times. There is no way to clear all brush that grows in state. Just too much of it. Now I would like to see areas closer to populated areas to clear more than they do but to clear the whole or even 20 percent would probably do worse to Fed Budget than Iraq war.

For example. I am in middle of Bay Are. I can drive less than one hour and be in country. I mean I can leave paved road way and drive straight north from there on dirt roads that will go north for hundreds of miles and see no towns. Once in awhle you will cross a paved road but it is certainly wild country. Pretty hard to clear all this.

Mike/Undude

MikeMiller
Ca, - Tuesday, October 23, 2007, at 16:26:02 (ZULU)

Jeff: seriously, just float the barrel and bed the action; and maybe work the trigger using Lito's instruction in the SC article's "how to" section. Don't go thru the full custom route for a rifle that may not ever need sub-MOA dollars dumped in it. I was tempted to do the same thing with a model seven--and am thankful that I did not wste the money. It now shoots for all it needs to, with the minimal amount spent. You will be surprised at the improvements you get by locking in the action...

Mike: You do not need to clear a million acres---just the perimeter swaths around dwellings or towns. That is where you find ready and willing homeowners and local authorities who cannot act due to the eco-weenies and their lawyers, aided and abetted by stupid enviro regs.

Classic example: Atlanta's water supply draining down the Chatahochee so some mussels can prosper at the expense of the largest population south of the mason-dixon line. Well, duh---let's save all the little animals--darwin be damned--and screw the people. I say let them plug up their flood gates and use the water to boil some shellfish. Call it the first and last Hotlanta Clam Bake:))

If god did not want man to have dominion of the earth, then why did he give us all these great rifles?

Joe M
Tuesday, October 23, 2007, at 16:52:37 (ZULU)

Joe, then I am lost. You see here in Bay Area thats not only OK but what is required by loacl law and they enforce it. Laws were always in effect here but after Oakland Hills Fire it has been left enforce the crap out of it status. Was same when I lived up in foot hills.

MikeMiller
Ca, - Tuesday, October 23, 2007, at 17:02:05 (ZULU)

Atlanta;

While the mussle situation has received some spotlight, the point many of the news media are not covering is the many municipalities who get there water from the rivers that Lake Lanier feeds. If these levels drop, they will also be out of water. The drought is just as bad in Alabama and Florida which is where this river goes.

Atlanta, like New Orleans, is a classic example of folks depending on the federal government (Corps of Engineers) to do something they themselves should have taken responsibility for. Atlanta gets it's water from Lake Lanier which is owned by the Corps of Engineers. Had Atlanta been thinking straight instead of cheap, they would have their own reservoirs instead of relying the Feds just like New Orleans relies on the CoE to take care of the levees to protect THERE city. Mobile Water owns it's two reservoirs and therefor has complete control of them.

It just goes to show that there are some things more important than oil. If you are in Atlanta in a couple months, a gallon of water could be worth more than a gallon of gas.

Jody Calhoun
Saraland, AL-Heart of Dixie, USA - Tuesday, October 23, 2007, at 17:24:33 (ZULU)

Joe M...

>"If god did not want man to have dominion of the earth, then why did he give us all these great rifles?"<

You gave me my first laugh of the day ;)))))

Mike - if you go where there is nobody, you don't have to clear the dead brush - it won't burn down anyone's home... just clear the dead stuff from the residential areas.

I have a good friend out there. His house is on a three acre lot where nothing grows, but the rest of the area has the "Don't clear the brush" laws. A neighbor cut back the brush around the house. Two months later, a fire came through, and his house was the only one standing - and after the fire, he was fined $8,000 for cutting back the brush.

It IS the problem of the people that live there. They build wood frame houses in high fire areas, they don't clear the area, cuz they want it to look "Au natural"... the houses burn down, and they replace them with wood frame houses...

Somfin about "Those that don't learn from the past...."

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, October 23, 2007, at 17:32:50 (ZULU)

I've never been to CA and I'm no expert on the subject. I have heard that some of the issues dealt with in containing these fires when they get close to developed areas are a bit more complex than just cutting brush. Winds gusting to 75 MPH can jump large distances, generate enormous radiant heat concerns, etc, etc.

When I was in the National Fire Academy, one of my classmates (a Captain from LA county) was telling me that in some area near him, maintaining an underground cistern full of water was mandatory for every home. The fire crews would simply ignore your home if they found the cistern out of service.

medicjim
Tuesday, October 23, 2007, at 19:24:21 (ZULU)

I was the 1996 possum killing champion of the Port Arthur Police Department.

Bet you guys didn't know you was in the presence of greatness ;)

Possums ... is tough.

brian k. sain
Tuesday, October 23, 2007, at 23:06:22 (ZULU)

Cop story ... thought I'd share.

Old woman raising her daughter's four crack babies ...

Lived in a half burned out house here in the hood.

Plastic sheet for one wall, holes in the floor ... ghetto.

Possums kept getting in through the holes and eating the un-cleaned food (for weeks) off the stove/sink/table/dishes ...

Possums would run across the kids in the bed when Granny would turn the lights off.

Scared the shiite out of 'em.

Every time they would call 911 ... they'd turn on the lights and the possums would bail out down the hole in the floor.

So I told them next time to leave the lights off.

Got the call ... showed up ... and the biggest possum I'd ever seen (I've seen a lot of possums) was eating rotten, boiled chicken out of a pot on the stove.

ASP batons were new then and I lit him up.

He hissed at me when I cut him a flip off the stove ... rotten chicken water, pan, possum blood ... flying everywhere ...

Little boy hollering ... HIT HIM AGAIN OFFICER!!! HIT HIM AGAIN!!!!!!

Indeed.

Ah where have twenty years gone?

brian k. sain
Tuesday, October 23, 2007, at 23:15:19 (ZULU)

Brian,

Thanks. I needed that. Now if I can just get the beer off the monitor and the keyboard! ;o)

Hawgs,

Is there anywhere I can donate a used cell phone that will help our troops?

Thanks & Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, October 23, 2007, at 23:46:10 (ZULU)

Joe Thanks for the input. I probably won't dump much into the rifle but I figured it wouldn't hurt to send it back to winchester and let them dump some into it. Last time I sent them one the custom shop worked it over for free. It came back shooting 3/4 with factory ammo and 1/2 with hand loads. It was my Winchester Laredo in 300 win mag. Funny thing, the factory denied doing anything to it, but you could tell it had a full accuracy job. Everything about it had been worked on or messed with. I kept the 5 shot .68in test target they sent back with it when I sold it. 1/2 moa comes in handy for head shots on does out to 600 yds. Not saying that she will ever be able to even try this but I might want to use it some time and a head shot is about your best bet if you want to anchor something at 500yds with a 100grn bullet. I'm hoping they will let the custom shop give it the same treatment as the WinMag got. You should see the 25WSSM. The bolt, when locked down without a round in the chamber, wiggles around. They put a dab of epoxy around the rear screw and some around the front and that is it. The whole design of the stock is cheap. When you tighten the middle screw the plastic trigger guard bends and binds aginst the metal of the magazine before it gets tight. There is about .075in of free bore past recomended max OAL if you are loading 110 grain NOSBaltips.They won't fit in the Mag if loaded out to .015 before the lands. If it wasn't for them going out of business and not producing any more in a higher grade rifle I wouldn't have bought this one. Also I want to change the stock so that I can have a detachable mag or at least a hinged floorplate.

I had the barrel free floated and it shot worse than with pressure on the barrel. Probably due to the small diamater of the sporter barrel allowing more harmonic vibration. Hence, wanting to rebarrel to a slightly larger barrel and floating. But I deffinately will bed the action after it comes back from the factory, if they don't do it. Already got the trigger at 2 lbs. Don't want to go lower due to daughter shooting it. She has a tendancy to put her finger on the trigger after pointing but before final aiming. My new 300 RUM has an 18oz trigger. It shoots 1/2 to 3/4 like my old Win Mag but it hasn't had anything done to it other than hand loads. With the price of the quality ammo for it being around $55 a box you can't afford to shoot without hand loading.

Anyone else had experiences like mine with the factories let me know. I'm curious to hear them.

Can't wait for bow season to end. The furry woodland creatures are everywhere except within 40 yds of my stand. Thank God my new muzzle loader is accurate to about 275. Thats 100 better than last years and will be a big supprise to the creatures that think 225 is a safe distance durring MZL season.

Jeff Cooper
Gadsden, Tn, - Wednesday, October 24, 2007, at 00:46:22 (ZULU)

InSain,

Damn, that's a good one! Right up there with the Vietnamese-Pepper-Spray-Chicken recipe.......

See you at SHOT '08?

Duman
Wednesday, October 24, 2007, at 01:23:50 (ZULU)

Pave the wilds of kalifornastan!!! If LA didn't suck so much, the wind wouldn't blow so hard, now that I think of it...but regardless, it dunn madder how hots it get, the cement won't catch!

OK, so I go out to the south end to slice up some oak--armed with a chainsaw and the ride-along carbine. I get all set up on the tailgate, and realize that I am being watched--you know the feeling--and turn around. Not 15 yards away is this buck, just staring at me like I blocked his favorite trail. The big ol' bastadge had 12 points--looking pretty symmetrical. After a long while, i set the saw down on the tailgate and off he goes. Now I want to hunt. But the empty truck accuses me of shucking work--so i get to it. On the 4th cut, the handle lets go at the front of the saw! Two screws are awol (I didn't even know they were ever there---it looks like it needs to be a one-piece set up)--and the saw rolls under my hands right at--well, let's say I was motivated at this point to get away! OK, so now I have to figure out what fits in these two holes before this job gets done...but what a great break for hunting!

So I jet back to the house to get my bow, and trot out to my corner--opposite end of the farm from the logging ops, to wait on sunset. Only now the wind is howling at 40+ mph---it just came up out of nowhere (or Minnesota--same thing either way). OK, this is a bust all around at this point. With this much wind, and the rut still off yet--the deer will bed down and lie low. So I pack up the kit in the case and start walking back east towards the house...and wouldn't you know it: another big buck is standing right in my path! It looks for all the world like the same bastadge from earlier by the far fenceline. And me, with a bow all zipped up and stowed. This time he bolted quick, heading back towards the first encounter zone.

So maybe I will sit astride that ridge tomorrow (the route between the two sightings). And if he shows up while cutting wood again, I'll chainsaw his ass instead of staring him down. And, the bow case stays home from now on---god knows i have enough pockets to live without it.

I cannot believe this. No damned deer for weeks...and then a decent trophy twice in a day--- while unprepared.

Jeff: All other things being equal--the barrel will vibrate consistantly shot to shot (if free floated). If the action isn't anchored down (bedded tightly to the stock)--then the barrel will move with everything else--randomly spraying the shot group all over the place. I dunno, thin barrels ain't so bad---especially if she has to carry it around all day. Might check the crown, and throw an 11degree hand reamer on it if needed. I bet you can get plenty out of it without a new pipe! But why would you set a hunting arm at 2 lbs on the trigger??? That is a tad light! That is not to say this is bad---but I need more weight. This is a matter of opinion--not a criticism. I don't have a trigger under 3 lbs (or do I?). The feel I like is a firm break point---"here it is"--without the "oh shit, where'd that one go?" of a surprise...heheh. I got used to crappy and firm/ good triggers in the military--so i tend to like em like I trained 'em.

Bobby's comment on my stick was it would be great with a bit of trigger work. I did not tell him that I already did:)) I set it for the same feel as i have on my match service rifle...which is heavy by most standards. I also love two-stage triggers--which means at least half will disregard anything I say on the subject.

Joe M
Wednesday, October 24, 2007, at 01:47:02 (ZULU)

Doc,

Re your old phone: look around for your local battered woman's shelter. A lot of them take old phones, and several companies donate time for them. That way Little Miss has a way to call for help if the bastad that abuses her shows up. A lot of us gave ours to them the last time we went over. I don't know of a way to benefit the troops with it.

Mac

SSG Mac
Wednesday, October 24, 2007, at 02:24:03 (ZULU)

Joe The barrel definately needs a recrown. It has that recessed step down crap. As far as the triggers go, I didn't realize they were as low as they are till I happened to take my TC Encore Pro Hunter Pistol in .308 to the gunsmith to do a trigger job cause I had never fooled with a trigger like it. He did what he called a 40oz trigger job. I got it back and thought he was crazy till he showed me using two different trigger scales that it was actually 36oz. I brought the other two rifles up to the shop just to weigh them and was amazed at how light they were. He asked what I did and I told him. I smothed the surfaces and lowered them as low as they would go and still reliably hold back the firing pin when the bolt was moved into battery. The Remington came out at 18oz and the Winchester at 34. I like them, but I don't put my finger on the trigger till I want the rifle to fire. Most of the time I don't lock the bold down till I'm ready to shoot. We walk straight to our tree stands "about 1/2 mile and then sit there till leaving. Some of our stands overlook fields that are over a 1/2 mile long. My longest kill was 825 yds on a really nice 8 point. I use a range finder religiously and my 300RUM is topped with a LEUP 6.5x20x50 LR/T w/mildot. The TC pistol I actually use both index fingers when shooting. It cracks my left middle finger knuckle almost every time, but if I don't, I pull my shots to the right. As much as 6-10 inches at 300yds. AR has a 2 stage trigger and for some reason I like it, but only on that rifle. What I don't like is it won't do the rubber band thing very reliably. I guess it's too much travel for the rubber band/recoil to overcome.

Jeff Cooper
Gadsden, TN, - Wednesday, October 24, 2007, at 03:55:04 (ZULU)

Joe....Where was your pistol? A .45 between the running lights would have stopped said buck from all the rudeness.

Brian....the 20 years have all gone into the memory banks, to be shared and re-laughed at by us when we manage to get together. Someday, I'll have to tell you about the baby rattlesnake arrest and thumbcuffs. Or why raccoon hats were banned at the North substation for years.

Trajan, WTF? Tagged? Dude, that got sanitized ASAP. Whassup wid dat?

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Wednesday, October 24, 2007, at 05:22:11 (ZULU)

Jeff: I forget, sometimes, that the world is not using military SOPs. I have unlocked my bolt a few times for an extra margin of safety--but it felt like a foreign action. I spent a quarter-century trying to perfect a smooth transition from safe to aimed fire---as rapid and economical a motion as possible. Ingrained habits---so i end up configuring my equipment to fit my ways, while avoiding learning new ways to do business. Old dogs and all that;))

1/2 mile shots--that is cool! I have to shoot down the side of my garage (about 10 yards above it LOS) to get an easy half mile; this land has too much relief for regular LR shooting. Another place I could get a full thou is if I put one down the west side of the house (again, higher than heck)---but the wife saw me surveying that and put the kabash on it. Heheh. My fields will give you 500 in one place, a 300 in another (if the deer cooperated), and several 200-275 yard shots. I've only had one opportunity at 275+, and it was a great shot to take in the gusty full value winds---only a head shot/ CNS presentation due to a slight rise---a miss would be just that since I knew the elevation exactly. I drifted that 130gr .270 right under her chin. Blake was suitably impressed. I used that as a Q&A test--as in "why I would try something with such low probability?" He thought for a second and nailed it. "If your wind call was bad, you wouldn't even wound her."

While making it difficult for building a fixed firing line--the hills do something good: It provides an opportunity to invite many friends to hunt here. Lots of spots to place folks without worry.

Ken M: The invite is always good; just show up anytime. Hit me offline and I'll give you the gun-deer dates.

Joe M
Wednesday, October 24, 2007, at 05:32:53 (ZULU)

Charles, I grabbed the M4; and it was right where I left it: on the passenger seat:))

I wear open carry hip holsters, which I find in my way while running the saw. Droplegs annoy me, and a shoulder rig becomes illegal the minute I put on a jacket in this sorry state. I also think of the saw as a weapon--so long as the freakin handle doesn't fall off!

Picture the fore grip having a set of screws right where the 90 degree turn is on top (where the lower extension wraps the far side of the saw and mounts, thru shocks--to the body). Now, the rear extension drops down the back end/ opposite side---forming a pivot point for the saw straight down and back towards ya if these parts separate. It is a serious design flaw IMHO--this bastard swung down and right between the knees. Yeah--I had a wimp-grip on the throttle since it is not damped like the main handle---even still, try holding 30 pounds of rotational forces on a 20" bar by a pistol grip by surprise. And yes, the throttle was winding down from full RPM as this happened....but it still was spinning fast as i jumped back and shoved my arm forward...I bet that blade was within an inch of making bad happen.

Like I told the wife: "You almost had a great lawsuit and life insurance payout..."

Her question on seeing the two piece handle was "why in the hell did they make that two pieces???" I dunno--my other saw is madrel bent all the way around---one piece of steel pipe from attachment to attachment. FWIW, the culprit is a troybuilt 4820, the good one is an old husky 16"

On the other hand, I did not have to load the bed of my truck with wood hand carried up a hill today:))

Joe M
Wednesday, October 24, 2007, at 05:53:11 (ZULU)

I was just looking on the ODCMP website and noticed that they are selling M1D rifles in GOOD condition for $1900! The rifles do not come with scope, mount, scope cover or the stock pad. They will all be rebuilds no doubt.

I have a M1D with an EXCELLENT bore, M84 scope, stock pack and scope cover, but missing the original scope mount (I have a repro one). I wonder what the better bore and more complete accessories would draw in terms of value?

medicjim
Wednesday, October 24, 2007, at 17:54:42 (ZULU)

You heard it here first -

Looks like we will get a better M70 than was ever made - this one is made down south, without the union controlling everything.

I actually saw one two weeks ago - serial #00000X

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The Model Winchester M-70 Is Back! Here's the press release.

Morgan, Utah - The Winchester Model 70 is one of the most respected bolt-action rifle designs in the world. Winchester Repeating Arms is excited to announce the return of the Model 70 for 2008. The All-American Model 70s will be built by American craftsmen in Columbia, South Carolina, at the same state-of-the-art factory (FN Manufacturing) as the rifles and machine guns used by American's Armed Forces. They are made to the exact ISO 9001 standard of quality that the U.S. Government insists upon for military firearms.

For 2008 the new Model 70 has the all new M.O.A.™ Trigger System, improved fit and finish and enhanced accuracy to go along with its classic Pre-64 Controlled Round Feeding, Three-Position safety and solid, sure handling.

M.O.A.™ Trigger System. The new Model 70 M.O.A.Trigger System is the most precise three-lever trigger system ever offered to sportsmen. Operating on a simple pivoting lever principle, the trigger mechanism has been completely redesigned to exhibit zero take up, zero creep and zero overtravel. The pull weight ranges from 3 to 5 pounds and is factory-set at 3 3/4 pounds. Because of the enhanced ergonomics, wide smooth triggerpiece and 2:1 mechanical advantage created by the unique design geometry, it actually feels like half that weight.

Three-Position Safety. The improved three-position safety on the new Model 70 has proven effective and highly popular with hunters and shooters for decades. Convenient to operate with the thumb of the firing hand, the Model 70 safety lifts the firing pin away from the sear. Then the safety selector is in the middle position, the action can still be operated, allowing unfired cartridges to be cycled with the safety on.

Hammer-Forged Barrel. Model 70 barrels are cold hammer-forged from a solid billet of steel for accuracy and long life. Massive rotary hammers shape the barrel steel around a mandrel to create the rifling. The barrel is threaded, target crowned and installed on the receiver. The chamber is then reamed and the bolt is headspaced. This results in 1 MOA accuracy for three-shot groups using properly managed barrel, quality match ammo and superior optics under ideal weather and range conditions.

Blade-Type Ejector. The Model 70's blade-type ejector allows full control when ejecting a fired case. When pulling the bolt back slowly the empty case pops out gently, which is perfect for target shooters and varminters. Pulling the bolt back smartly allows the empty case to clear the port with greater force. The blade-type ejector helps to eliminate short-stroking malfunctions.

The new Winchester Model 70 will be offered in a Super Grade, Featherweight™ Deluxe, Sporter Deluxe and Extreme Weather SS models for 2008. All will feature a thick black Pachmayr® Decelerator® pad that will help take the bite out of recoil.

The Super Grade will be offered in 30-06 Sprg. and 300 Win. Mag and will feature a fancy grade walnut stock with contrasting black fore-end tip and pistol grip cap and a sculpted shadowline cheekpiece. Suggested Retail $1,149.00

The Featherweight Deluxe has an angled comb walnut stock with Schnabel fore-end and satin finish with elegant cut checkering. It will be offered in popular long and short action calibers, including WSM chamberings. Suggested Retail $999.00 to $1,049.00.

The Sporter Deluxe features a satin finished walnut stock with cut checkering on trim fore-end and pistol grip, along with a sculpted cheekpiece. Available in popular long action and short action WSM calibers. Suggested Retail $999.00 to $1,049,99.

The Extreme Weather SS's premium Bell and Carlson composite stock features a trim, light feel with textured matte surface that gives a sure grip in any conditions. The Extreme Weather SS has a free floating, fluted stainless barrel to help minimize weight. Available in popular long action and short action WSM calibers. Suggested Retail $1,149.00 tp $1,199.00. Delivery on all models will begin in June of 2008.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, October 25, 2007, at 00:50:27 (ZULU)

SSG Mack,

Where are all these battered women? I've been eating mine RAW!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, October 25, 2007, at 04:23:35 (ZULU)

CLICK MY NAME This guy is either a moron, or has a big, clangin' pair! I'm bettin' he has a tree stand now.

Also, am told by FOX news that Giuliani wants blind people armed.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, October 25, 2007, at 08:17:04 (ZULU)

Gentlemen,

Hard, HARD things going on here right now. My wife is having a nervous breakdown, and has flirted with suicidal thoughts. I'm in a new job, but can't leave her... so I miss another day while I try to get her the help she needs.

For those here who believe, I would be very grateful for your prayers. Thanks.

Bill

SSG Mac
Thursday, October 25, 2007, at 12:13:19 (ZULU)

Travis...

>"... I've been eating mine RAW!"<

And I bet they love you for it, and stand in line for more ;)))))

SSG Mac...

You have them!!

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, October 25, 2007, at 13:56:39 (ZULU)

SSG Mac: Prayers said; hang in there. And don't be a hero this time---if YOU need help, anything at all, ask. There is a landslide of support out there waiting to land on your head---from right here at SC to places like the VFW, the 82d Association, and state and local resources. You may not have the time to dig around all by yourself---but with the networks of good people at your fingertips, doors can be opened that you may not know about. Only you truly know what you need...so if you find yourself surrounded---call in the reinforcements.

Kittywhacker: Best news I've heard this year!

Turkey is reported to have begun cross border ops in northern Iraq. Those who think a three-state solution is the way to go take note: A Kurdistan resurrection WILL lead to a wider war pronto. Inintended consequences by idiot elected legislators who think they have a gift for statesmanship; the only solution is whatever the people of Iraq ultmately say the solution will be. Anything else, especially hair-brained ideas out of Washington's liberal think tanks, can only worsen things.

Joe M
Thursday, October 25, 2007, at 14:45:11 (ZULU)

SSG Mac,

Prayers incoming. Remember, just because she needs you to be strong for her, don't mean you can't be weak for you. First rule of rescue: Rescue yourself FIRST. I recently found this kinda stuff out the hard way. If you just need to chat, you can call. (316)259-9025.

'Lito,

I'm married. Don't do that anymore.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, October 25, 2007, at 14:56:51 (ZULU)

SSG Mac,

Prayers on the way. If you want to talk drop me a note and I'll send you my number.

Joe M.,

Sounds as if a trip to your local Stihl dealer might be in order.

'lito,

Outstanding news. Guess I had better start saving my pennies.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Thursday, October 25, 2007, at 15:07:33 (ZULU)

Travis:

Better practice would be to privately email any phone numbers,

to avoid them being harvested by scum too.

Suggest editing your posting...

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, October 25, 2007, at 15:57:08 (ZULU)

Joe M, Charles S. Hunt, and all who have had to deal with dipshit women who think they know EVERYTHING about horses, click. Thank me later.

'Lito,

Is this despicable bitch the kind you'd want to beat to death with a hammer, or what? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODWDKLfdhcU

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, October 25, 2007, at 16:17:15 (ZULU)

Lito

I read that this morning myself. Was thinking of getting a Browning in 243, but i guest i'll wait. Where did you get a look at one? Any web sites where a person could have a look?

Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Thursday, October 25, 2007, at 16:51:36 (ZULU)

Gary...

I saw one about a month ago, and had to promise that I would say nothing, cuz the deal was on stall because of old union deals that were still in the way. The old contract said Winchester (USRA) couldn't open plants in non-union (right to work) states. ????

The Fuckin' union thinks they still have jurisdiction over a company (USRA) that doesn't exist anymore, and that they put out of business.

I think the new Winchesters will be better rifles than any we have seen from them in many MANY years.

I knew many people at Winchester, and I was at the old New Haven plant five or six times a year.

Here in Connecticut, they were crippled by a union that wouldn't let them hire skilled gun makers or stock makers - when they had openings, the union "sent them" the new people... and they usually came from the dying aircraft industries here... all these guys knew was that they making parts - they had no pride - most of them didn't own a gun, and some hated guns, but took the job cuz they were laid off from Hamilton Aircraft or Sikorsky.

I once was in the custom shop about a problem with one of their (my) custom riffles... I saw racks and racks of the most beautiful AAA+ exhibition grade walnut you could ever imagine. The stuff would bring tears to your eyes.

I asked about it, and they said they didn't make custom grade stocks anymore because they couldn't hire experienced stock makers for the custom shop... the union wouldn't allow it. They had to "teach" some hack that ran a automated stock replicating machine down on the production floor, because his title was a "stock maker" and so was entitled to the job promotion (according to the union), because he had seniority, even though he had never held a chisel in his life.

So Winchester stopped making custom stocks years ago. When a customer wanted a custom stock with beautiful wood, they picked a blank, and the gun was sent out to one of the smaller custom stock makers that are around the country... and of course, the wait was years.

In the new place down south, they are getting all REAL gun makers (and gun lovers), and no union headaches.

I'm sure these new Winchesters will be fine guns.

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, October 25, 2007, at 17:42:49 (ZULU)

Creative idea

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,304806,00.html

medicjim
Thursday, October 25, 2007, at 19:54:33 (ZULU)

Lito Thanks a lot. That's just what I want to hear after buying the shoddily made gun I picked up a few months ago "because they were not going to make any more". I know you have read all my posts about all the problems with it. All I can say is custom shop better fix it. I'm glad to hear the news, but it really pi**es me off. I would have waited for a higher quality gun but, "what were on the shelves were going to be the last of them". Does their plant closing press realease equal false advertisement. It did cause me to literately, rush out and buy a gun I would otherwise not have bought.

If the guys that used to make airplanes were making the gun parts that does explain the workmanship on the guns. Notice the most popular, new, small aircraft are now made out of the country and shipped in. There's only 2 big, small aircraft manufacturers left in the United States. The rest are pretty much made one at a time, hand crafted in very small factories.

Mac As a full time crop duster and a ex LE K9/Tac guy I have become pretty good friends with the man up stairs. Sometimes I think he's the only thing keeping my plane flying. I talk to him a few times a day and I'll put in the word for you. Trust me, I've been where you are and it's a misserable place, but it does get better. I was with a woman for 4 years waiting for her to get better so I could get out.

God, grant me the scerinity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. It's from a friend of mine that's in AA, but it works for wives/girlfriends too.

Jeff Cooper
Gadsden, TN, - Friday, October 26, 2007, at 03:46:45 (ZULU)

"Dear God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to bury the bodies of those I hafta kill because they pissed me off."

Actually, Travis, my wife doesn't think she knows everything about horses. But, she has learned a thing or two about the horses ass by living with me for 15 years.....

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Friday, October 26, 2007, at 07:05:03 (ZULU)

Charles,

I wasn't meaning to slam your wife, I'm talking about the looney 40 something morons that just seem to decide one day that they're horse "experts", despite having no background or experience with them, like that moron in the video. You know, the ones that will try to tell you that you don't understand the horse you've been riding for ten years, but they do?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, October 26, 2007, at 09:53:59 (ZULU)

Click. Unfuckingbelievable.

This kinda shit makes me want to stab a teacher in the eye with a crayon. "Weapons or anything that could be used as a weapon". Whoever wrote that should be beaten with a desk.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, October 26, 2007, at 10:28:16 (ZULU)

'Lito,

Click. Enjoy.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, October 26, 2007, at 11:39:18 (ZULU)

Thanks for all you kind words, and your prayers, guys. Some of you already know how much it means while you're going through it.

I was blessed to marry my best friend, and we've remained so despite somewhat differing interests (when we married she HATED guns, but just before this breakdown I almost had her interested in taking a basic-practical course a freind & I are teaching soon).

I know a good deal more about what's going on now than I did when I asked for your prayers. Our situation is 'stable' now, and she will recover fully I believe, but it will be a long recovery (like years).

Consequently, I have initiated a request for a compassionate discharge from the National Guard. The Army's been a big part of my life & my own identity, but my duty lies here with her now. I didn't put the uniform on for a retirement check and that's not a reason to stay either, not when one's duty is so clearly elsewhere.

Damn, I love this Bar! Thanks again guys, it means a lot.

Lito,

Grat news about Winchester. I've wondered for years why more of the wpn manufacturers didn't move South for that very reason, and also for the more friendly State governments. ...Guess Winchester found out the hard way.

Cat - Sunroof.... LOL

Bill

SSG Mac
Friday, October 26, 2007, at 12:29:03 (ZULU)

Jeff...

Dude... This you gotta understand.

There is no "firearms company" named Winchester.

The original company was Winchester, and they made guns AND ammunition.

Then, the family that owned Winchester, split up the two, and sold the ammunition division to Olin Chemical.

Then the Winchester firearms company dissolved in bankruptcy some 25~ish years ago.

The Family still owned the name, all trade marks, etc.

A new company, U.S. Repeating Arms Co (USRAC), was formed, and they LICENSED the name of Winchester, and the trademarks, etc.

They operated the New Haven plant, with most of the old workers (and the Godamned union).

The company that went out of business two years ago, was USRAC.

THEY ARE GONE - no more, nunja mas.

This new operation is by FN - they have no custom shop (yet), and have no connection to the USRAC that built your rifle.

FN bought all the tooling and other stuff at public auction, and moved it down south (smartest move in 80 years!!).

Browning, of Utah, does repair work on USRAC rifles, and they may be able to help you... but this new company has NO connection to USRAC, and no obligation to do any repairs to firearms made by USRAC.

Sorry to be the bearer of the bad news.

Travis - loved the cat thing - Meow ;)))

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, October 26, 2007, at 12:46:45 (ZULU)

Lito Thanks I kinda knew the history. It's not totally bad news. It Means the Winchester will be a good gun again. Kinda Like my harleys that were made before and after the "AMF shovelhead" years. I never figured what a bolling ball "AMF" company wanted with a motorcycle manufacturing company anyway. And the bikes that came out had about the same QC as you would expect from bolling balls. I had 2 of them. A 74 and a 76 model. Now I own before and after, a 50 and a 86. I'll never buy newer that 95 due to the computerization. "Old dog can, but doesn't want to learn new tricks.I'm sure they "browning" will take care of it. They did last time with that .300 win mag I had. I am looking foward to a new Winchester. I've alwaysliked them better than Remington anyway. "Oops did I day that out loud"

SSG Mac I'm glad to hear you're hanging in there. I couldn't with the one I had. But, I didn't have as much time invested, we had no childeren involved either. Not sure if you do. Anyway, I'll send up more prayers. They can't hurt, and they are going up for my benifit also, so I'll just kep adding yours on to mine.

Jeff Cooper
The Woods of, Tennessee, - Friday, October 26, 2007, at 13:23:22 (ZULU)

Hey Guys,bin a long time.

seems i only get my nass back on here when ive sad news.

One of our own passed away last week,

Sander Blom

Dutch Airborn- Sniper - Sniper Instructor.

died of a heart attack last weekend, aged 36.

he leaves behind a wife and a lot of mates.

dont know if any of you guys knew him, but he was a good guy, one of the dutch crowd who used to read or lurk here regularly. I classed him as a mate of mine.

I'll never forget the hunting trip we had to Scotland. Sander, Marco, Val, me and an old bavarian hunter called Martin. The cloggies all turned out with full milspec sniper gear, Val and Marco touting Sako TRG's and Sander is accursed Steyr SSG.

he bitched all week about that rifle, and eventualy bought an TRG too. I was carrying my custom remmy LRS, damned if i was going to lug one of those heavy SOB's up and down the Scottish hillsides,

What a trip.

We drank a load of beer, shot a load of deer and laughed our asses off all week long. Working in 2 man teams spotting and sniping deer.

The Dutch Army is a man down this week, and me and some other guys are a mate short.

Include his missus in your prayers this weekend. Sanders already teachin him upstairs to use mildots and probably still cussing about Steyr SSG's.

all the best

Pete

Pete Lincoln
D - Friday, October 26, 2007, at 23:35:43 (ZULU)

Pete, I'm sorry for the loss. 36 is young.

medicjim
Saturday, October 27, 2007, at 02:16:46 (ZULU)

Thanks Jim.

I would have liked to attend the funeral with the rest of the guys,full military honours, Val said the where expecting about 1200 folks, but i'm stuck in the mission control centre.. i'm actualy 3hrs and 13 minutes away from the end of my employment in the Space Race.

As of later today i'm full time in the custom gun trade.

And its about time i got my ass back on the roster instead of working all hours god sends, 36 is too young to go, as is 39, which is what i'll be in a little over a week, hence ive quit the space job and am getting a life back in more ways than one i hope.

Hope you guys are all doing well.

now how the heck do i change the email contact addy for the roster??

and anyone give me some good ideas for starting loads for this 9.3WSM wildcat i'm about to play around with ( not to mention the 9.3LapuaMag that i'll be playing with soon), I'm awfull rusty on this hand loading carry on.

Pete

Pete Lincoln
D - Saturday, October 27, 2007, at 02:52:09 (ZULU)

Pete:

Congratulations on your new career.

I'm reminded of the advice about finding a gunsmith:

"Good, fast and cheap - you can only pick two".

My sage advice about suppliers:

You can't *make* them do the right thing, you can only *offer* them the opportunity to do the right thing.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, October 27, 2007, at 11:35:47 (ZULU)

Hey gents,

Just wanted to swing in and say howdy. I haven't been actively lurking in the last little by and by, and I can't really say much as to what the future holds but I wanted to say hey and just let you know I was thinking about ya'll.

Take care gents,

Morgue

Joe M.

Don't have a Sat out here... running either Local or the net, and as per the ussual BS my Card is screwed up for who knows how long and I am stuck on the personal... so I'm pretty well off the voice lines. Drop a line when you can.

Doc.

I don't know if the boys have contacted you yet, I passed on the information and the sounded like they were going to give you a call... I appreciate everything and if you are ever out my way give me a call, i'm buying.

Mourge
SD, CA, US - Saturday, October 27, 2007, at 12:40:35 (ZULU)

Pete,

Sorry to hear about your loss. Always tough to lose a good friend.

Morgue,

Glad to help. Haven't heard from them yet. Hope the fires aren't close to your home.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Saturday, October 27, 2007, at 21:16:51 (ZULU)

Pete L;

Prayers said. Now quit being a stranger!

Jody Calhoun
Saraland, AL-Heart of Dixie, USA - Sunday, October 28, 2007, at 00:08:54 (ZULU)

Thanks Guys. Just wanted to let the sniper community know we lost a good guy.

I feel like I just got out of jail, I realized that i just didn't have a life anymore working 2 damn jobs 400km apart, traveling 1600km a week, and the shift work was killing me.

So here goes, planning - building permission for the retail store is in and build about to start in earnest. and i'm getting my fat ass on a fitness program,and i'm making time for hunting again, I aint shot an animal in over a year !!!! hell i used to hunt 5 times a week !!! hence got 4 days driven boar/deer and a rabbit pheasant day planned in November, as well as building a bunch of rifles, I even bought me a 4x4 again.

Life is too short, and all work and no play makes Pete a dull boy,

finding a gunsmith:

"Good, fast and cheap - you can only pick two".

Rod i'm gonna put that on my web site,

cheers guys, I guess ive come home, in more than one place eh..

Pete

Peter Lincoln
D - Sunday, October 28, 2007, at 21:17:34 (ZULU)

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