Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, August 1, 2008, at 08:39:37 (ZULU)
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, August 1, 2008, at 08:39:37 (ZULU)
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, August 1, 2008, at 08:47:44 (ZULU)
>"Too bad the wife doesn't like the idea of living in a bunkhouse so I can play cowboy for a living in the most beautiful place on earth!"<
I have come to the conclusion that God didn't intend men and women to live together for long periods... otherwise, he would have made women like different stuff...
... the stuff that guys like!
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'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, August 1, 2008, at 16:24:44 (ZULU)
Mike/Undude
Mike Miller
Ca, - Friday, August 1, 2008, at 17:55:51 (ZULU)
http://www.quietpros.com/host/comments.htm
One in particular:
http://www.groups.sfahq.com/5th/stack_michael_5sfg.htm
It seems I noted the passing of a friend at the time in my own way...but decided to stay focused on the job ahead. Now, with the time to reflect...well, it sux.
I know that this list is surprisingly few for the scope and length of combat operations that this group undertook. I thank god for that to this day. But, these guys are the "best" we have; tough job but tougher training and selection. To see this list as a daddy with a paratrooper in airborne training is NOT good for morale; by the time I got to Iraq--it was merely a formal test of over 20 years' experience; my kid is a cherry and will likely deploy as such.
That is sobering. Poor little shit...he reports for duty here as a "hometown recruiter." Little does he know that he will undertake a crash recondo course with an emphasis on COIN and basic markmanship under duress:)) I can't fill his head with all that I learned, but I can try to hit some of the high points.
Geoff: That M4gery will come in handy for more than just notsalgia, eh?
On the experience thing: It stands out in my mind how decentralized combat ops really leaned heavy on each and every aspect of my career and the knowledge gained along the way. From RTO procedures from my days as a line platoon radioman, to coordinating CAS from the cockpit to logistics at any and all levels, to the various SF MOSs---everything--every last little thing I ever did before was challenged over there. What a cool way to wrap it all up in the end.
But it is knowing why it was easy for me that makes me understand why it will be harder for my boy--or at least--scarrier for me. OTOH, if he listens, does what he is suppsoed to, and has a little of the luck his old man had--he will emerge with a leg up on me. The things i had to learn from the vietnam vets he will have learned for himslef. Those lessons of first hand experience are worth fifty second hand lessons.
Man...I have waaaay too much time to think about things.
Morgue: Click...heheh.
Joe M
Friday, August 1, 2008, at 20:38:18 (ZULU)
Joe M
Friday, August 1, 2008, at 20:58:17 (ZULU)
Hell, in Jackson a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken is out of control pricewise.
Give me a call before you drive out this season. We can kill something. It will be great.
CDC'
Saturday, August 2, 2008, at 03:18:14 (ZULU)
Sig Sauer is finally coming out with a .22 conversion kit for the 220, 226, and 229 models. The P-220 version will be available August 08, the P-229 will be available September 08. Their website lists them at $269. Hopefully, they'll be cheaper through retailers. Click my name for the link. They're also having a promotion where, if you buy one of their "Classic" series this month, you can get one of their Airsoft models for $100.
I finally got the stuff to cast bullets, so I can save money, and hopefully sell some to other folks, but it's rather warm to be doing it right now, so the .22 conversion would be a handy way to go. I just hope the prices for extra .22 magazines won't be nearly as astronomical as their regular ones. $42 for an eight round 220 mag, or $49 for the ten round is kinda pricey, and their replacement springs and followers are just as bad.
Have any of you found a reason or need for the solid guide rod? Anyone have an opinion on the short reset trigger?
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Saturday, August 2, 2008, at 04:58:52 (ZULU)
Look closer, Travis. They're listed for $369.
Had me interested there for a minute.
Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Saturday, August 2, 2008, at 15:50:13 (ZULU)
The little microbes that can live in diesel can really screw things up if someone dumps biocide in and lets it steep the way you're supposed to. I once realized I was using it wrong and dumped it in, then let the truck sit 3 days or so (like you're supposed to). I then made a short trip, but the last 10 miles or so, 35 was as fast as I could go. Went through 3 sets of filters in a week before all the dead critters/crud was out of the system.
Fortunately, my big truck has 2 filters. One on the suction line from the tank to the transfer pump (rocks & dog hair filter) and one before the Bosch injection pump (real fine).
WR Moore
Saturday, August 2, 2008, at 17:17:55 (ZULU)
medicjim
Saturday, August 2, 2008, at 17:37:27 (ZULU)
If you get caught running off road diesel on the highway, the fine is at least $5,000, here in Ks.. I've heard that in some areas, the highway patrol was really cracking down, and they actually carry a rod to dip into your tank and check. I suppose you could run a truck with dual tanks, one with highway, and one with off-road deisel.
I've also heard rumors(unconfirmed) of folks being charged with tax evasion (highway tax) for using homemade bio-fuels or running SVO.
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Saturday, August 2, 2008, at 18:50:57 (ZULU)
(click)
edited: Well, maybe not. They used to sell the Sta-bil for diesel but I'm not seeing it on their site.
Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Saturday, August 2, 2008, at 20:56:59 (ZULU)
I just published a review on Plaster's "The History of Sniping and Sharpshooting", which I actually finished end of March and somehow never got to publishing. Click on my name to see the review. And I trust those that have already read it agrees with me, and those that but it also do so. I think it is an excellent book.
Marius
Marius
Saturday, August 2, 2008, at 21:27:03 (ZULU)
Exactly what do you mean by long term storage on diesel? Also depends upon what you're gonna use it for. I've stored diesel for 6 months or so in the plastic jugs. All I've used is what's now CRC Fuel Therapy for injector cleaning/anti-gel. If you were doing really long term storage, I think the biocide and a large supply of filters would be a good idea. I do have to admit that when I clogged up my filters, it was most likely the first time biocide had been properly used in my truck in 10 or 12 years (I wasn't the orignal owner).
FWIW, I don't really trust the "winter blend" stuff. I converted the guys at my local auto parts to the use of the cleaner/anti-gel noted above after they tried it and their "winter blend" home heating oil didn't freeze up anymore.
I second Ken with screw the electronic engines. We've spent upwards of 2 grand on electronics on the 96 F250. My mechanical engine has twice the mileage (300,000+) and I've replaced the thermostat, water pump and block heater. Whoops, recored the radiator if you want to count that.
WR Moore
Sunday, August 3, 2008, at 12:22:37 (ZULU)
CDC'
Monday, August 4, 2008, at 04:14:10 (ZULU)
I read something aabout him on the Longrangehunting site. He's promoting himself and his business. Shooting an animal at 1000 yds. isn't my cup of tea. I enjoy long range shooting, and i enjoy hunting , but damn give the animal a chance. Part of hunting for me is to see how good my stalking skills are. If iremember right the rifle is the 338 Edge with a 30" barrel The cartridge was desige by Shawn Carlock of Defensive Edge. He's in your part of the country over by the Washington border.
Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Monday, August 4, 2008, at 11:36:48 (ZULU)
Unemployment jumped to 5.7% last month. I did not hear Harry and Nancy bragging about their simultaneous rise in the minimum wage by some 70 cents per hour that went into effect right at the head of this surge in lost jobs:)) I wonder why?
Joe M
Monday, August 4, 2008, at 14:02:49 (ZULU)
He doesn't need my concurrance, but I agree with Joe. The ethical contract hunters should have with edible game is to try and make their demise quick. It is certainly possible to kill game animals at 1000 yds, but there are so many last-second variables that are only vaguely controllable. Up there with hunting polar bears with a .357 magnum revolver :-) Possible, not recommeded.
(the polar bear thing would be a pretty fair fight :-)
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, August 4, 2008, at 22:30:56 (ZULU)
On the F-250, even if you have the anti-siphon doohickey in the tank hose, you can still see through the fuel filter, can't you?
If the local DA is really trying to be a dick, (as is their wont) you're screwed. From what I've heard, they'll still take it to trial, and (again, this is just hearsay,) arguing that you have dual tanks and run the ag fuel tank while offroading on the farm, then switching to the road fuel tank on the highway is a losing defense. You'd think those fuckers had something better to do.
Apparently, providing the steaks and other food they eat during the celebration they have when they bury another farmer gets you no consideration. I'm not so sure I like lawyers as much as 'Lito does.
Also, I concur with you on all the damned electronics and sensors on new vehicles. It seems that over half of the repairs I have to do on my vehicles have to do with sensors. Damned O2 sensors on one car we had ran about $300, just for the parts.(This was about 6 years ago) Then I had to figure out how to get the low slung sonofabitch lifted up high enough to get my big ass under it without setting it on one of the bumpers. Once I finally did, I almost had to saw the exhaust open to get to the wire inside of it to install the new sensor!
Speaking of 'Lito, HEY, CATMAN! How's the kid?
Haven't heard much from JR or the other guy across the pond lately, either, have we? I miss getting to try and figure out what you guys are talking about, when it comes to all the technical speak about barrels and such. I wish to hell I could apprentice under some of you guys. I'm not sure I'll ever be able to get the taste of ass out of my mouth, the way I've been sucking up to the top gunsmiths in my area, trying to get a paying gig where I could learn from a master.
On the 1K hunting, you'll notice that he never posts videos of game dying from infections weeks after being poorly shot. These poor animals suffer because the shooters(I REFUSE to call the "hunters") were unable to catch up to the critters, or even track them because they were too damn far away, and a follow up shot would be a miracle, if it worked.
I've seen critters dying of infection when I was working on ranches, some from predator attacks, some from wire cuts or assholes taking potshots at them with their .22's. I've also seen poorly shot game animals dying from infection when I was working for outfitters. It's a horrible, miserable, suffering way to die.
On one ocassion, we had a hunter actually choose to shoot a mediocre elk in an area full of trophy quality animals, early in his 7 day hunt, simply because someone had wounded it through the top of a front leg, and it was suffering pretty bad and was pretty worn out, since his home range was the ranch I was working on, which was crawling with hunters, and bordered a public hunting area that was even worse.
If it would have been within my power, I'd have offered the guy a free hunt the following year. You just don't see people exhibiting that kinda character on a $7,000 hunt very often. It was a real nice thing to see, when our typical hunter tended to carry a Boone and Crockett list and a tape measure. Some of those bastards would react like a petulant 3 year old when the trophy THEY had insisted on shooting, against their guide's advice experienced ground shrinkage. Those kinda folks were the worst part of the job.
I'm impressed by this guy on youtube's shooting ability, but disappointed in his sportsmanship. IMNSHO, it's merely a dumb stunt. As such, it should be reserved to rocks, steel, targets, and the like. I even have a problem with doing this to coyotes, as much as I hate them.
Sorry for the length of this post. Insomnia seems to make me more verbose.
.......one last question: The boy told me today he wants to shoot his first turkey this year.(He's Twelve) I'm not much of a shotgun guy. What kinda practice would you guys suggest? I was thinking I could set up a bunch of bowling pins, out to about 50 yards, and have him practice shooting the tops of those. Anyone have better ideas? What Turkey loads are considered the "old standbys"?
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, August 5, 2008, at 05:07:29 (ZULU)
But there is also a vid on U-tube where the same guy takes an 870 yrd shot on a Bull Elk across from the next ridge over and the Elk is in heavy timber untill it enters a small clearing and he shoots just as its in the clearing.In the Elk vid he does give a lil more background on the equipment,408CT,custom scope,custom reticle,etc...This one I still question...Even tho there is no Blaze Orange visable during the Elk vid as they panned around abit.To me heavy timber is no place for poke and hopes.
Some States (sorry,dont remember wich)have banned or are in the process of banning hunting with Heavy Rifles,if the rifle/scope combo (loaded?) weighs more then xxlbs it will get ya a ticket/confiscation if caught.I believe that it is those States thinking that Big Bores need weight to tame them....or Search and Rescue is sick and tired of haulin some lazy ass whose 30 yr diet of 99cent heart attacks has put him 50lbs overweight and the carrying of an 18lb rifle resulted in a blown ticker.
I learned of the Heavy Rifle Ban(s) researching a few things in the last year or so looking for other game to hunt.Wisconsin's White Tail is some of the best,and the Turkey can be just as good,But waitin for a Bear Kill Tag will wear on your patience some.And we dont have huntable Elk or Mulies...and there isnt any Antelope either.
Some people question the ethics in long range hunting.I wonder how many of those same people turn around and actually question the ethics in Bow Hunting.Even if the animal is 20yrds of standin full broadside and ya double lung it....It still doesnt drop Dead Right There.Some take 100 yrds or more to die.
Either way...20 yrds or 1,000 yrds,its on your conscience if ya fuck it up.
UnPat
UnPat
Wi., USA - Tuesday, August 5, 2008, at 06:06:41 (ZULU)
IF I shoot an animal with a bow, and hit it poorly, I'm at least close enough to track it down and finish it off. Mr. Long shot, however, will just about need a spotter, a pickup, and some radios just to get to where the critter was when he wounded it. His chances of recovering a poorly hit animal are pretty damned slim.
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, August 5, 2008, at 06:24:19 (ZULU)
If ya havent done so check your States Regs on what ya can/cant use.Some States allow Rifle use....Mine dont.We can use #4 to #6 shot.I personally like Copper Coated silicon Packed #4's Federal.I also use an Undertaker Turkey choke but a Full will work well...The hardest thing to remember is to sight it like a rifle....Not point in the general area like say shooting a Pheasant/Grouse or Traps...Tho shooting trap with the Undertaker in was/is good practice for me.Turkey dont always stand still....and if ya see that neck stretch waaaay out...blast him quick,cause he is about to fly off.Forget the body shot.Its all head/neck to get the kill with a scattergun.
The only differance between a 20yard broadhead wounded animal and 1,000 yrd bullet wounded animal is 980yrds...A wound is a wound,and wounded animals run damn fast...wether 20 yrds out or 1000 yrds.
UnPat
UnPat
Wi., USA - Tuesday, August 5, 2008, at 06:32:39 (ZULU)
Went to Montana for an extended varmint hunting trip this Spring, May thru late June (was on the road 49 days), Total fuel was around $2900. It's a good thing I can live on the cheap ($15/day or less) or I couldn't go anywhere. Also, planning trip to SHOT this winter and contemplating a new rifle from Ultralight Arms here in WV. So much to do with only so much money; the projects/trips/$s equation never seem to quite work out the way I want it to.
My son just got his Patriot Arms Rifle in 7-08; WOW!!! Quite the nice piece of gear
outa here
markwell
the Alleghenies, WV, - Tuesday, August 5, 2008, at 13:17:41 (ZULU)
Its been busy out here the last few weeks. Pretty much long days short weeks.
I ordered a couple toys a while back. Just talked to the dealer I ordered one of them from it sounds like production got put behind schedule...
I was able to go run some yardlines Sat and went out to 700 yards. It was a good time then sunday we went out and Shot some clays. I haven't felt that relaxed in a while seems I need to get out more often.
Before sat it had been a bit since I had a chance to get out to any type of distance and I was still able to keep a sub minute group at 700. More than anything what it requires is knatts a$$ wind calls.
As to LONG range hunting, Has anyone been out hunting Big horn? I have heard that There are places where you can get 400 if you are lucky. If you aren't, you could be looking at a 700 yard shot. If you had spent 10k on a hunt and the closest you could get was 500 - 1000 yards would you or wouldn't you take the shot? I understand that enviromentals come in to play but in an Ideal situation, shooting with a system you are familiar with using proven dope could you really pass up on the shot?
Just my 2 cents.
I had a chance to play with the AI stock on a Remington 700. I was pretty impressed. Enough that if I had one I would start saving money to pick one up.
Anyways gents, Back to the grind
Morgue
Joe,
Those pictures sure brought back some memories. Did you happen to look close enough to recognize the old running loop? BWG.
Bravo,
My buddy ended up going with the Gerber infantry blade. He found a deal online that he got 2 for about 130ish...
Medic Jim,
Glad to hear you are doing better.
Mourge
SD, Ca, - Tuesday, August 5, 2008, at 16:30:16 (ZULU)
A friend of mine is part owner of a safari gig in South Africa. On his last trip, one of the clients was described as arrogant and impatient (wealthy and spoiled). Long story short, a bad shot on a cape buffalo resulted in several days of tracking, both on foot and helicopter. Never found the wounded animal. The cost of tracking was several thousand dollars, all added to his tab.
Instant karma is a beautiful thing, but far too rare.
Duman
Tuesday, August 5, 2008, at 16:53:05 (ZULU)
He got off easy...Most that make that mistake on Cape pay in blood.
UnPat
UnPat
Wi, USA - Tuesday, August 5, 2008, at 19:26:17 (ZULU)
"He got off easy...Most that make that mistake on Cape pay in blood."
They probably couldn't get the sniveling sonofabitch to go into the bush for a followup. I'm fairly certain though, that once he got back to wherever he came from, and onto a golf course, he remembered going into the brush holding a knife in his teeth while his PH and everyone else went running back to the truck. I hate those kinda guys.
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, August 5, 2008, at 21:07:57 (ZULU)
Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Wednesday, August 6, 2008, at 03:08:30 (ZULU)
His sight-picture moves slightly but chaotically. Slightly is enough.
The guy doesn't seem to be using a rear bag for support.
I think that this guy with this gun leaves wounded animals in the field.
CDC'
Wednesday, August 6, 2008, at 05:46:07 (ZULU)
Funny,how when the Chivas/JD/Kesslers flows with those types the brush gets taller,the knife smaller,and the horns/teeth bigger,and ya cant forget the number of fellow hunters that were saved from being trampled by a herd of ______...Could you expect less from the type?
After all,they have a Masters,P.H.D,and B.S.
But one soon learns the tells of a Master of Piled Higher and Deeper Bull Shit.
CDC,
If you think he has the jitters in the Antelope vid,Check out his 830yrd Elk vid.A drunk goin thru DT's could hold more solid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCyTRzL5AAQ&feature=related
I had originally mentioned it was an 870yrd shot.My mistake.Its an 830yrd shot.I learned of both vids over a year ago and in the this one there is no mention of the Chey-Tac,wich is kinda strange as I was very sure in one of those vids is where I had first learned of it.
One thing is very solid ,tho.I,personally would pass on going to this guys long range course/school.I am not saying I wouldnt learn anything from the guy.I probably would and could,but that Elk shot in timber bothers me.There were also a couple of lines on the guys website about long range hunting that bothered me also.
He makes it sound like long range hunting is the tool to beat out someone else that may be hunting/stalking the same animal you spotted/glassed.That is a recipe for disaster waiting for a place to happen.
UnPat
UnPat
Wi., USA - Wednesday, August 6, 2008, at 11:07:05 (ZULU)
The Elk vid shows the rifle oscillating from about 2:30 to 8:30. I have always understood that - if your oscillations were not 6:00 to 12:00 with a pause at 6:00 - your position was bad.
Earlier this year I posted:
" As you breathe, the crosshairs oscillate between 6:00 and 12:00. When your breathing pauses, the oscillations slow dramatically for a couple of seconds until most of the remaining oscillations are caused by the beating of your heart. The crosshairs still move between 6:00 and 12:00 but they move much less and they move very regularly for, oh, 6 to 12 seconds more or less. At very near 6:00 the crosshairs pause. 6:00 is where you want your point of aim. After that (time) interval, the tension in your muscles and the body's desire to breathe cause an increase in the amplitude of the oscillations."
Did I get that wrong?
CDC'
Wednesday, August 6, 2008, at 12:28:08 (ZULU)
Joe M
Wednesday, August 6, 2008, at 13:33:00 (ZULU)
Maybe you should try guiding. It's actually quite a bit of fun. Basically, you get paid to hunt all year, and let hunters shove money in your hand and buy you booze!
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, August 6, 2008, at 14:30:15 (ZULU)
It's funny how we that have seen death up close have a special feeling about life the older we get.
At Khe San (SP) it was told that they found a C-rats box lid with the following words written on it. It may explain the feelings:
" You've never lived 'til you've almost died.
For those who fought for it, life has a flavor the protected will never know."
Just thought I'd toss that in.
Indiansinger
Roger C. Carpenter
Sweet Potato Capital, MS, USA - Wednesday, August 6, 2008, at 14:48:31 (ZULU)
The Kidlet is doing fine - finished up the year with a "A" average (five A+ and one B+), and he is as happy as a clam at high tide. The chicks flirt with him (he's goooood lookin' - a real chick magnet!)
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On long range critter shootin'...
I'm with Joe on it. In my way of thinking, I have different standards for different critters...
... there are noble beasts that deserve the very best treatment in taking them with a quick, clean kill.
Antelope are at the top of that list... along with Elk and similar.
Further down are the pests and nuisance animals like Prairie Dogs, Woodchucks, and crows. I don't want to wound them on purpose and will take reasonable care when shooting, but I will take very long shots at them.
Then there are the destructive critters. A coyote or feral dog that is taking live stock gets no mercy, and by many rancher's definition, they are ALWAYS taking stock... with which I agree.
With those, I think it is OK to toss lead at them at any range, and if it gets hit in the hind quarters and goes off to die somewhere tomorrow, well - life's a bitch when you get caught stalking someone else's livestock.
A family member had a cattle spread near Shiro TX, and their losses to yotes and ferals was astronomical.
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'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, August 6, 2008, at 15:15:50 (ZULU)
Lito: Ha! I am starting to think I have "arrived." I admire this place and the original members to the Nth degree. In fact, my thinking on matters of character has altered for the better thru the philosophies' found here. Thanks for the nod...you probably have no idea how well received it is to me. Great news on the ruggus' scholastic turn-about! No one here needed proof that you were in the right; but it is just plain great that you got to prove it to the "system" and she-who-is-not-named. Double ha! for the chick-magnet thing; Blake's mom and I agree that our poor boy is unprepared for the coming onslaught of chippies. His good looks are finally matched to a new confidence that is, well, scary as hell to mom: She ain't ready for grandmothership yet--and that boy is gonna get trapped sure as shit. He is an obvious great "catch"--and he is equally oblivious to it. He has little chance...
An odd little article that explains the American capital market model---in a roundabout way. Click only if yer good and bored. I took note of this one because it was a bit of an "eureka moment" for me for a problem I've been contemplating lately: The US automotive industries' seemingly suicidal marketing ploys. I've been beating GM up for focusing so much on shareholder returns that they never looked past the current business quarter for the last 50 years. Their ability to trash next year for this month knows no bounds. In fact, I have had limited access to top level corporate decisions that would astound anyone (a reserve SF buddy is atop a major supplier)...so, to see this industry march to its demise is fascinating--but also freakishly bizarre. This article--with investor goals laid out and congressional input factored in explains another aspect to this slow motion failure in progress. I read between the lines a bit and said "aha...so there's the government's hand in all this." The more I read, study and watch cause/ effects for myself in all aspects of the economic model--the more I find congress at the bottom of all our economic ills. The irony here is that they see themselves as the solution to the same:)) God, please save us from their help...amen.
Joe M
Wednesday, August 6, 2008, at 16:23:37 (ZULU)
Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Wednesday, August 6, 2008, at 17:25:29 (ZULU)
Joe M
Thursday, August 7, 2008, at 04:31:54 (ZULU)
And, I just thought I'd add:
In the last few years of reading and posting on this site, I've learned a lot from you guys, and I just wanted to say, "Thank you".
Whether it's been asking newb questions when I first got into scoped bolt guns, questions when I got into action pistol type shooting, helping me learn how to reload, or the kind words and support when my grandad died and I was having a hard time dealing with it, you guys have always been there with support, kind words, and suggestions when I needed them, or some rather caustic words that showed me the other side of an issue, I certainly do appreciate it.
It seems wierd to refer to people that I've never met face to face as "friends", but I do consider most of you as just that. Some day, I'd like to meet some of you guys, as I'm sure there's a lot I could learn from a lot of you. If ever any of you guys are in my area, give me a holler. If nothing else, we can grill some burgers.
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, August 7, 2008, at 04:46:15 (ZULU)
What about a Duty Roster Rondevous? I'm not thinking of a big to-do, but rather a location (with a range) where Rosterfarians who care to can meet, swill an adult beverage (or five), and put faces with names. It's late in the season to think of something like this for this year, but the majority of the planning for this would be in choosing the location. Then we all pretty much make our own plans for travel, etc. Perhaps we could get as organized as to get a group rate at the Hotel, and to coordinate with the range.
Anyone else interested? Suggestions for location? Oak Ridge TN comes to my mind, but probably only because it's convenient.
SSG Mac
Thursday, August 7, 2008, at 10:44:08 (ZULU)
SSG Mac
Thursday, August 7, 2008, at 10:54:33 (ZULU)
It's not 'weird', it's a brotherhood.
Calvin
Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Thursday, August 7, 2008, at 11:05:18 (ZULU)
Don't fret Dudeski...
I have more REAL friends on this site, than have in the state that I live in.
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Little things, big pleasures.
I have a 308/7.62 Israeli Galil ARM, which is the last and best iteration of the AK... better than the Finish version.
It has an incredible folding stock (Israeli engineering!!!), built in, drop down bi-pod (with barbed wire cutter), bayonet lug, night "Tritium" sights, and all the other badd stuff you could ask for (except the three speed transmission) :).
I bought it way back in the early 90's, just before the great white "father" in Washington decided that I (and my fellow Americans) were not responsible enough to own such a weapon of mass destruction.
As the clouds of laws began to form over Washington, and the likes of Shurmer, Bradey, and others were having wet dreams of an assault weaponless, gunfree society, I was cobbling up pieces parts for my new love.
I scarfed about 15 big-assed magazines (the ones that are responsible for drive-bys).
One of the really neat things about this stick is the scope mount - unlike the clugie mounts that sit on top of the stamped bolt cover... this mount is a milled slot in the side of the receiver - if you can imagine a mill cutter that is flat faced with a 45 degree bevel (looks like an engine valve with an attitude) - push it down into a flat surface about 1/10", then run if along the surface for an inch, so you have a 5/8" wide, 1/10" deep slot - that's what it is.
The mount uses a beveled plate that slides into the grove, and with a small cam lever, locks the thing together. The tolerances are in the thou's, so it comes back to zero every time. It is quick detach (three seconds).
But I couldn't find an original mount for love or money. I bought an after-market POS so I could use a scope, but it was really a POS. and the scope sat up too high, so I cannibalized it for another project.
Then about 6 years later, I came across an original NIC (new in cosmoline) mount for $500 (ouchie!!!), and wasn't going to get it until a friend told me what he paid for his ($900), so I grabbed it up.
Getting closer...
The original mount uses NATO STANAG mount scopes - which is a scope with a long solid bar on the bottom that is machined as part of the scope body - it has two threaded holes in it. Two heavy screws attach the scope the the mount - it is ringless, neat and clean, and idiot proof.
But I can't find a STANAG scope that I can efford. Hensolt, the military division of Zeiss, makes them and they are out of my budget range... and I saw one and didn't like it (it has a simple vertical post reticle), and I couldn't even find one if I had the money.
Well... last week, a 4x STANAG scope shows up on eBay. It is a copy of the Hensolt, but with a neat range finding reticle that is lit with a red LED, and ballistic cam. It is probably assembled in Papua New Guinea by nekid native women, but it looks nice on the outside, well finished, looks good through the inside. I got it for $59 delivered.
So now the Galil is complete, and I have a smile on my face the size of a railroad car.
Happiness for $59 bucks :))))))))))))))))
Now... lemme see - where can I do a drive by and test out this baddassed rig ;)
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'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, August 7, 2008, at 14:11:57 (ZULU)
As to friends and friendships here on the Roster, I can agree with that. For about 10 years I've read here almost daily, and seen many come and go. But those who've stayed, wow.
I've conversed with some via email, and still others via phone.
And it is appreciated more than I can actually say. I've had many come and go in my life so far, and here is 'stable', and even 'reliable'.
Consistant fits as well. It's the straighforwardness that you get here, as opposed to the PC crap in general society that is respected the most.
And I thank you all for that. Now as to meeting up, sure, my door is always open. ;)
I'd love to be able to show up for a visit, with pretty much everyone. Logistics would be a small issue, and I may have to research that a touch!
Sean T.
Winnipeg, Mb. , Can. - Thursday, August 7, 2008, at 15:55:32 (ZULU)
A Harris newsstand publication several years ago had a test drive of the Galil in .308. The reviewer claimed POI shift with/without front bipod usage. I suspect the bipod is tied to the barrel rather than the receiver which would account for it.
Something to test for early-on...
Other than that issue it was favourably reviewed, althought it does tend towards heavy. Don't remember how badly it mangled fired brass.
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, August 7, 2008, at 16:57:43 (ZULU)
Taking your favourite stick south is a bit convoluted, but do-able.
Need a valid hunting license or a written invite to a match as part of the supporting paperwork. BATFE form 6A I believe.
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, August 7, 2008, at 17:00:33 (ZULU)
Used to have a Valmet, way back when(late 80's), was very nice, for an AK. Really don't have much use for AK's, they are nice as loaner rifles for my minions. I thought about getting a AK-74 varient just to exploit the $100/1000 5.45 ammo right now. But I decided to get a couple crates more of 5.56 and stockpile it when I saw they wanted better than %700 for anything decent. Since I can remember paying less than $100 for a bleeding AK and $39 for an SKS and I'm not that old.
Based on ammo prices, I've gotten serious about casting again. Have another of the good Rugers on order (#1 in 45/70) and have been playing with one of the Serbian Rem mini-mausers (M799's) in 7.62x39. The stock is pretty, for a laminate, the action is gritty and needs to be lapped, but the accuracy is PDG, especially for a .312 bore. El crappo 123gn FMJ wolf goes into 3" at 200yds and I figure a 190gn cast flat nose poking out at 1400fps or so will be a nice large caliber plinker that won't upset the neighbors too much.
Joe M/Geoff or any other WI types, you go to your state fair down in Milwaukee? I plan on going this weekend, always had fun, great food and not all the urban drama(read gang warfare) like with the Chicago based festivals. They have the best pork chop sam'ich I've ever had. S/F.....Ken M
Ken M
Thursday, August 7, 2008, at 21:50:52 (ZULU)
FWIW: I had the hold-company's 1SG "hold" my boy an extra week "to work on his push-ups." The real reason, we both agreed, was so that his grad date would not fall on the 82d convention's final weekend! That way, some of my old (and that is getting all too literal) buds can make it down for Blake's inaugural jump into the frat. These guys watched him go from diapers to a T-10...it is only fitting that there be no conflicts in schedules.
Joe M
Thursday, August 7, 2008, at 22:12:44 (ZULU)
Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Usa - Thursday, August 7, 2008, at 22:40:55 (ZULU)
>""lito, you're on the east coast, where ISN't a good spot for a driveby? ;)"<
You guys crack me up!!
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rod...
>"A Harris newsstand publication several years ago had a test drive of the Galil in .308. The reviewer claimed POI shift with/without front bipod usage."<
What the hell does Harris know???
Anyway, it's a fun stick, and on that famous CDI scale of 1 to 10, it rates a definite 13.7 for technological kewl-ness!
;)))))
As soon as the Attorney General lets the local range open up, I'll test it with the new scope and let you know.
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'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, August 8, 2008, at 00:56:56 (ZULU)
Yes sir..we usually have a gathering on New Years Day. What better way to ring in the new year than to ring steel. I think it would be fun to have a "Gathering", and if ya'll want to use BadLands, more than welcome to do so. Heck, you can even stay at the dormitory, that should save some the motel fees.
Bobby Whittington
Grandfield, OK, USA - Friday, August 8, 2008, at 01:45:08 (ZULU)
Glad to hear Ruggus Rattus is doing so well in school. How goes the shafting of the legal ass-holes?
Sharon
Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Friday, August 8, 2008, at 03:39:25 (ZULU)
>"How goes the shafting of the legal ass-holes?"<
It has been a long road - you got a 7-11 and some asshole swipes a few cartons of smokes, and you get ten police cars in 3 minutes...
... but you get 15 pounds of evidence that there is a group of lawyers fixing trials on the court system, and you got 20 pages of hard evidence that a judge was bought... I have been kicking at doors for two friggin years.
I do have some good (I think) news. The state police "Major Crimes Division" called last week and said they will take the case and the Attorney Generals Office sent copies on an 18 page "cover letter" to three major agencies, including the Judicial Review, the Chief Prosecutors office, and internal audits (what would be called "internal affairs" elsewhere).
I have a 4 hour meeting with the internal affairs people on the 18th.
I think it will go forwards, just not as fast as I would like (... I mean TWO FUCKIN' YEARS???).
I hit my first attorney with a 1.5 mil law suit for mal-practice.
I wasn't paying much attention to it over the past few years, cuz I was trying to stay one step ahead of my ex's lawyers (and did :))... so by the time it was over, and the munchkin was here, in school, and all a-ok - I checked on the situation of suing my first lawyer, and found that the statute of limitations ran out in THREE DAYS. :(((
So I whipped up a lawsuit and filed it, and got it served the day before the statute ran out (wheeew).
But now I'm looking for a lawyer to take the case on contingency and finish it, cuz real high level law suits are a mine field of technicalities, and if you make a mistake, they can have it dismissed on the spot, and you can't refile.
But... in the last few months since I filed it, I have been reading and going over the documents, and they meet and exceed the behavior of Felony Fraud - they took my case and my money, without ever planing to go to court for a trial... and the did it to another guy three years before me.
I got a call from their attorney today - actually, he is the mal-practice insurance company lawyer who is defebnding my first lawyers - and I told him that the three of us need to sit down together and clean this up and come to a settlement, because if it has to go to trail, his clients (my first attorneys) will be there in handcuffs without law licenses, cuz I'll file criminal charges against them and shut them down.
So if I don't get a decent settlement, they both go to jail, and don't collect 200 dollars.
I don't know what will happen - it's like 5 card stud - you see what you got, and play it the best you can.
If I can find a lawyer to finish it up, I will be in pig city, cuz it's a case that a law student could win fresh out of law school...
Meanwhile, I am so fucking bored with this shit that I could scream!
I want a bottle of Morgan's dark rum, a pint of lime jooce, and a $200 hooker...
... over and over and over...
... for a week!!!
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'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, August 8, 2008, at 04:47:24 (ZULU)
Cuz a hooker that would charge 200 per week is gonna be one ugly skank:))
Joe M
Friday, August 8, 2008, at 06:52:51 (ZULU)
Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Friday, August 8, 2008, at 07:08:49 (ZULU)
Ken M,
I got faired out on the last trip up to my Sis's.My niece is in her first year of 4H,earned a few ribbons on the goats,but the real kicker was her calf.Earned 3 class champs,a Grand Champ and Champ of Champs...Not bad for a first year kid,never having showed anything before.She also was asked from one of the judges to show his own goats when he takes his for confirmation shows.
This weekend got plans to head up to my Sis's place again.Angel is doin some work on her pc and since I only know how to turn them on,I figured I would kill some time at the range just outside of town.
Oh,and it aint State Fair w/out a cream puff...so ya gotta grab one of them too.
'Lito,
$200 is only gonna get ya something that a shot of penicillan wont fix.Think ya might be better off with a dvd and a 6pak...
UnPat
UnPat
Wi, USA - Friday, August 8, 2008, at 07:49:33 (ZULU)
Nuff said, Bolt out!
Bolt
NC, - Friday, August 8, 2008, at 11:06:59 (ZULU)
I didn't mean $200 for the week (gag... Eek!!).
I meant the $200 a shot kind - over and over and over and over... (on someone else's charge card - the best kind).
-
Boltster... that's more than we needed to know at 6:20 AM :)
Good luck
-
'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, August 8, 2008, at 11:24:47 (ZULU)
The prep is the only bad part. You won't remember any of the rest.
Cheers,
Doc
Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Friday, August 8, 2008, at 12:11:08 (ZULU)
Sharon
Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Friday, August 8, 2008, at 13:42:38 (ZULU)
Video now confirms some armor movement on the russian side. Georgia is now calling this a full-on invasion. I'll bet Putin is going bonkers while stuck in Beijing:)) And China's inherently paranoid outlook probably thinks this is done intentionally just to screw with their games.
Who knew how amusing stupid national policy could be? Maybe the Mayans' calendar had it right after all, though I do not see any other country in the EU as having the balls to stand up for themselves--let alone someone else. In fact, once the russians get to the other side of Georgia, they could just roll to the channel with less fight than they are having now:))
Joe M
Friday, August 8, 2008, at 15:41:17 (ZULU)
Joe M
Friday, August 8, 2008, at 16:01:08 (ZULU)
In context to the news this morning...
Take a look where Sochi, Russia is on a map.
The 2014 winter olympics are scheduled to take place there.
old news, but the map would make an interesting overlay while plotting each side's movements and tactical objectives
http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10566657
I wonder if those Russian's marching southward will have any issues with maintain routes of passage....
medicjim
Friday, August 8, 2008, at 16:24:14 (ZULU)
Gee, didn't Sarajevo host a winter Olympics in 1984 "shortly" before the Balkans went down the tubes? Interesting coincidence...
The Siege of Sarajevo was the longest siege in the history of modern warfare, conducted by the Serb forces of self-proclaimed Republika Srpska and Yugoslav People's Army (later transformed to the Army of Serbia and Montenegro), lasting from April 5, 1992 to February 29, 1996.
Sarajevo was one of the bidders for the 2010 Winter Olympics, which was eventually awarded to Vancouver. I would be very afraid if I resided in Vancouver given recent history for Winter Olympic host cities :-)
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, August 8, 2008, at 16:47:41 (ZULU)
FWIW, Saakashvili (PM, georgia) is appealing to NATO and specifically, the US, for immediate military help. I doubt, even if we already consumated the NATO treaty--that we would help. IMHO, NATO is an empty promise; not worth the paper that charters it. A toothless, feel-good gathering of wimps, if you will. Too bad this crisis erupted this soon--for if nothing else, it could have shown the uselessness of the alliance to all the world. It may yet do that, though the wimps can try to hedge with "but they weren't really member states yet." In short--Georgia is on its own.
The piepline that suppies the EU with Russian oil moves thru this hot region---but it was interdicted already (and is shut down) by the PKK in Turkey several days ago. That kinda alters things somewhat, but not enough, I think, to change the do-nothing attitude of the EU.
We will just stand aside and whisper, "pleeeeze stop this madness perty-pleeeeeeeze..."
Joe M
Friday, August 8, 2008, at 17:07:43 (ZULU)
http://www.answers.com/topic/southossetia-region-detailed-map-jpg-1
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=russia&safe=on&ie=UTF8&ll=42.61577,43.876648&spn=0.449722,0.837708&t=p&z=10
Those high mountains sure look like the sort of place that a small force could hold up an armored column
medicjim
Friday, August 8, 2008, at 17:29:15 (ZULU)
The link (click) has a "related news" batch of facts for those wanting to spin up on the current situation's long history. It is a good start for this if youz got interest in it.
Joe M
Friday, August 8, 2008, at 17:36:08 (ZULU)
Joe M
Friday, August 8, 2008, at 18:43:32 (ZULU)
Bolt out!
Bolt
NC, - Saturday, August 9, 2008, at 01:10:50 (ZULU)
Joe, there you go pushin my buttons again. Had a PLT LDR in the guard years ago, lawyer. He & I argued about the asburd abuse of the Interstate Commerce Clause. He thought it was just obvious that justified telling me how much water my toilet could use per flush. I'm confident he's in JAG somewhere making sure the Europeans know none of our guys get away with anything... you know, so they'll like us.
The Fifth Amendment yes, they're expanding what "everyone knows" is just quaint hold-over language from all those Dead White Males. The Tenth has been a dead letter for decades, as has the Ninth, and the first phrase of the Sixth. Groundwork has been laid to nulify the effect of several others.
(but I'm not bitter :))
On the bright side, I got paid two days this week to shoot guns I couldn't afford to feed much less buy: .338LM 20" box-fed bolt gun, 5-25x56 S&B glass. Champagne taste on a beer budget... did I say "bright side"?!? Well, someone else bought the ammo, so... yeah!
SSG Mac
Saturday, August 9, 2008, at 15:10:33 (ZULU)
Bill: Statists are a bunch of narrow-thinkers, really. It all reveloves around a single "effect" that they really like--without regard on how that one little side-step of rights can be used by another for something quite outside his particular use. Take RICO or hate crimes: Grand and lofty narrow usage made these laws seem innocent enough...but, the temptation to use them to ease "other" crimes to conviction proves just too tempting for the many lesser men we have in positions of petty tyranny (DAs, for example). It is the camel's nose aspect that no one ever wants to hear about when we go after a "special case" and pass a broad, intellectually lazy law to appease emotions of the moment. It is this mob mentality that our founders tried so very hard to water down. Athens was their cause-celebre' for this; the people will vote suicidally on their own. And, we have states led by liberals trying to destroy these checks and balances even now (Colorado will commit electors to the national majority vote once 270 votes worth do the same)---this is in effect a "popular vote" gimmick to rid us of the electoral college. In other words, Colorado is willing to disenfranchise itself to NYC and LA voters' whims:)) |The scary part is that nobody seems to give shit, nor understand why this can be a hugely bad idea. The greatness of this country is purely a result of the ten ammendments and the responsible citizens who understood the great burden that is freedom. Oddly, no freedom is seductive, as it relieves you of the burdens of thought and personal responsibility. Too many would gladly exchange their healthcare burden for any conditions imposed by their new masters...WTF did we expect by turning over our children to the guvmint to be indoctrinated? Kickball? Too confrontational; Tag? Too flagrantly win-or-lose! Spelling? We'll accept close enough in a subjective attempt to be inclusive. Equal outcomes at all costs! No one should ever taste defeat or lose at a game. A bland existance for all! yeah!
Shit...how depressing. I cannot undertsand why the thought of such a life makes me want to puke while my in-laws clamour for more of this bitter shit to dine on! Are they un-American? You bet yer ass they are! |And, i will often say so to their face. The only good thing is that I am making headway. But as I look around---there are too few of me and too many of them.
Joe M
Saturday, August 9, 2008, at 16:44:21 (ZULU)
It's an amazing story and you need to read it if you haven't already.
MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Saturday, August 9, 2008, at 21:04:23 (ZULU)
What do ya'll think of this... I know folks make mistakes but this is criminal to me...
http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon247.htm
I know news with views seems to have an ax to grind most of the time but believe it or not even the washington compost has an even more damning article...
Stay alert, stay alive !
Calvin
Calvin B Haxton
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Saturday, August 9, 2008, at 21:28:33 (ZULU)
Indeed there are, and always have been. Circumstances made our original republic possible: a small population, living close enough to disaster to be religeous and self-reliant, and composed largely of the self-selected action-takers from across Europe. Today all those demographics have been muted by a huge population living in government guarranteed safety.
The frontier is closed: the self-selection goes on, but within society; hardly showing itself even to those involved. Sheep & Sheepdogs live together, the Sheepdogs will try to keep things from going really ugly. But the sheep don't like to see "ugliness" so the sheepdogs can only do so much, and they've come to view their priveleges as rights. There's a certain tragic inevitability to reality making corrections.
Athens. Yeah, at a certain level most people are not really capable of self-government. The best of all possible governments is probably a Benign Dictatorship. Problem is, none has ever stayed benign. Human nature doesn't allow it. The next best would be a representative republic IMHO, but that will only last if the franchise is limited to those willing to put something else above their own welfare, and they exercise severe vigilance against vote-buying. We did this for a while, but slowly the privalege/responsibility of the franchise was chipped away & made a "right". "democracy" replaced "republic", and feasting at the public trough began creating slaves & buying votes.
There is good news: people change. They grow up. Not always, but it does happen: my own Sister once announced at my Parents dinner table that if there was ever a draft she would take her Son to Canada. My deployment changed her outlook radically (sic). She's now a strong conservative & sees the responsibilities of citizenship in a new light. She got faced with the reality of a man's responsibility to society in a way she couldn't deny, had to admit the justice of it all, and began to think other things through. Of course Dad probably led her through some of that (that's his job).
SSG Mac
Saturday, August 9, 2008, at 22:01:11 (ZULU)
CDC'
Sunday, August 10, 2008, at 00:23:52 (ZULU)
More victims of the war on (illegal) drugs.
I'm not sure which is a bigger threat to liberties, the war on drugs or the war on terror.
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, August 10, 2008, at 00:49:06 (ZULU)
Or wrong, depending on your opinion and view. I was at the funeral today, of the bus victim here in Manitoba. We were part of the 'wall', to prevent any issues with the WBC 'people' whom were allegedly going to attend and demonstrate.
It all went off without a hitch, in our sector. Whether they showed anywhere else, we don't know.
The Patriot Guard Riders were represented. And I'm proud of that.
Sean T.
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada - Sunday, August 10, 2008, at 02:03:37 (ZULU)
Who knows how many people are currently in prison because of planted evidence when one of these searches comes up dry? Of course, this kinda thing is viewed witha blind eye by so many in law enforcement, like our SC friend to the south, who can't fathom that anyone with a badge is capable of any wrongdoing. That's a big part of why this shit continues.
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, August 10, 2008, at 02:48:40 (ZULU)
I certainly did not post that link as some sort of blanket statement against all law enforcement officers but as an example of what happens when a police department becomes a rouge entity that is more of a tool of the current political establishment than a law enforcement agency. I am truly embarrassed to live in a state where this kind of incident will probably elect a collective yawn from the populace.. It's crap like this that led to the colonies revolting against the mother country... I am truly sorry that so many good men who wear a uniform and do their jobs with true dedication and professionalism will somehow be associated with these thugs... Personally I think their fellow brothers in blue should take them out back and give them a wood shampoo... But then I'm kinda old school about such things..
Stay safe
Calvin
PS the washington compost reported that the police chief is pissed because the justice department is looking into civil rights violations..
Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Sunday, August 10, 2008, at 03:43:09 (ZULU)
As for cop bashing, that's not what I meant to do. I'm simply pissed about all the idiot cops that defend this kinda horseshit, time after time, no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary. They jerk each other off jabbering some horseshit about "honor", but refuse to stand up and put their foot down. If they refuse to clean their own damn house, then they shouldn't bitch when the justice department does it for them.
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, August 10, 2008, at 08:22:06 (ZULU)
Joe, I'll be calling you in the next day or so.
'Lito - More good news. What a helluva thing. Most people really get railed by the courts....you sure did things right. Kudos!
Boltster - Hope your recovery goes well.
All - just a driveby, hope everyone else is doing well too!
Geoff M
WI, USA - Sunday, August 10, 2008, at 10:06:58 (ZULU)
http://www.jouster.com/cgi-bin/guntalk/config.pl?read=89077
Gary Kaney
NW, ILL, - Sunday, August 10, 2008, at 13:45:17 (ZULU)
Our forefathers probably were just as moral as we are today.. But there was an institutionalized system in place for 'self help'. It was called the 'militia'. It was kind of a fire department/fema/local police force combination.. It's really what I think we need today.. Ever wonder where "well regulated militia" came from and why it's where it is ? Hint.. it's not because 'firearms ownership is an individual right'.
If your really interested in the matter peruse this as it is a good starting place...
http://www.constitution.org/jw/jbwhisker.htm
I'm getting rather sick of posting this political crap... Any body have any luck with 155 sencars in the .308 ? I hear tell they get wiggy after you shoot them for a bit..
Stay safe
Calvin
PS Ken H we need to shoot some wmdfg's. The fields are cut and they are getting to be rather fat bullet receptacles....
Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Sunday, August 10, 2008, at 15:41:22 (ZULU)
I feel confident that the optics are good (Multicoat) but are they a good value? Will they take abuse well?
Les
CT, USA - Sunday, August 10, 2008, at 16:21:37 (ZULU)
What do you want to know about 155g Scenars in .308 Win? I shoot them in F-class, and I believe several of the regulars on SC are using them in .308 Win too. I'm running them with a case-full of Varget.
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, August 10, 2008, at 17:00:56 (ZULU)
Had a Mk2 and a Mk4 side by side on a counter 2 weeks ago at Cabelas.Dont remember the mag power of the Mk2 but think it was in the same power range as the Mk4.Even tho,the Mk2 was about $300 cheaper.I put a Mk4(4.5-14x50) on layaway.3 features I liked on the Mk4 had over the Mk2. 1)30mm tube vs 1in. 2)50mm objective vs 40mm. 3)Didnt care for the turret covers,feel its 2 more things to try and keep track of and too easy to lose. If I ever needed to sell it I can get better money for a complete package then to try and sell something with pieces missing,even tho replacements may just be a phone call away. Just my .02
UnPat
UnPat
Wi, USA - Sunday, August 10, 2008, at 17:34:56 (ZULU)
Would i buy another? No, I already have one. And that is what I wanted...one that is easy to move from stick to stick, and is reliable and similar to the rest--without dumping a ton of cash into it. Perfect for the intended purpose. The money I saved here got spent on nightforce...so, your mileage too will vary. In the meantime, a Burris will replace it on the howa (mostly for color match--and maybe a bit of testing), and the pre-Mk2 variX will await the next new thing to come my way:)) Or, if the more pricey burris goes bust on me--it will jump back on for deer season.
Joe M
Monday, August 11, 2008, at 20:31:38 (ZULU)
Do you guys know if the Mark II uses VXII lenses and coatings? Or could it be possible they have the VXIII lenses and coatings?
Les
CT, USA - Monday, August 11, 2008, at 23:16:30 (ZULU)
I bought one of the predecessors in about 2000 or 2001. I've used it for matches and vermin extermination. One feature I like is the ability to take the cheap KillFlash attachment on the objective. Besides hiding any reflections, it makes you get your head lined up on center of the scope.
My barrel action took a 1 1/2 gainer off the workbench one night and landed in a bucket of brass-on the scope. POI never budged.
WR Moore
Tuesday, August 12, 2008, at 02:17:01 (ZULU)
Soninlaw bought one for his tactical rilfe and really likes it. I have not seen it yet or shot it so can't say for sure.
Pat
Tuesday, August 12, 2008, at 17:34:57 (ZULU)
Would kinda like to get something I can go to 1K with without using the mil-dots.
WR Moore
Wednesday, August 13, 2008, at 00:12:24 (ZULU)
T2 turrets are 1/2" MOA adjustments. 55 MOA total W/E adj.
Looks like they use VXII optics with Multicoat 4. They are not index matched like VXIII lenses.
Les
CT, USA - Wednesday, August 13, 2008, at 16:04:41 (ZULU)
Has anybody heard from Rick lately?
CDC'
Thursday, August 14, 2008, at 05:14:44 (ZULU)
W committed the US to Georgia and her interests solidly on the world stage. Now the russians are entrenched on Georgian territory and it would appear that they are not leaving until they both get their republic back, and well and truly screw us over and make us look like weak, untrustworthy shitheads on the world stage in the process....or until we land and kick their asses out with no shit real military action. We cannot leave this action to stand....nobody in the world would ever take the US at it's word again.
I would estimate that this is the boldest and most dangerous international confrontation we have faced since the Cuban Missile Crisis. Vietnam was war by proxy, but through China. Same thing with N. Korea. Never in my lifetime have Russian troops shelled, bombed, and occupied a close US ally, that we have been so public about standing behind, and with a native US Military presence. I don't even think the world has really figured out what this means yet.
What are the possibilities that the timing of this is planned to tie up our capabilities during the final preperations for Iran to finish it's nuclear program?
Geoff M
WI, USA - Thursday, August 14, 2008, at 13:27:14 (ZULU)
Well, the wife's in Orlando for a few days. When she gets back, I think I'll take her for a romantic interlude down by the stock yards, so I can "kiss her where it smells".
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, August 14, 2008, at 15:02:44 (ZULU)
That is acutally the only card we have now that we can play. The rest is all bluff---and Russia has called us on it with a bunch of MRRs.
While I immediately see all of this as the hand we are dealt---it is also true that the limits of our options in this region largely do not get entered into the equation; that other nations who "think we are their friends" can only assume the worst now....and this can (and likely will) alter the course of events for the next few years.
It is imperative at this point to maintain the current government, and the independance of georgia---oddly, a position that McSame advocates right off the bat (is there more to this guy than I think?). But, that said, the real question is: How??? The only options would require a bit of unity with the EU...and that pretty much sucks for us.
Joe M
Thursday, August 14, 2008, at 16:28:47 (ZULU)
Any ally worth having will realize that Georgia screwed up and there was nothing we could do about it.
We need to pull the same crap Russia pulled with Iraq and start busting on them to repair war damage and make the nation whole. Everything that goes wrong in Georgia is Russia's fault....to include the rape and murder that will likely come out in the next week or so at the hands of the Chechen fighters. No need to be rational or reasonable...the more obnoxious the spin, the better.
The other consideration is that every time we stick our nose in Asia, we run the risk of preventing a pissing match between Russia and China....and we most certainly don't want to do that.
medicjim
Thursday, August 14, 2008, at 18:59:25 (ZULU)
In a perfect world, NATO would convene an emergency session and announce Georgia's membership--Turkey would stage a few armored divisions of various nearby nations, and Russia would negotiate a split-decision post tic...and the Ukraine (primarily) and the former satellite states would have a de facto reprive for several years from Putin's power plays without further action.
fat chance...
As for "securing" the Ukraine---politically, the US is in no position to try for a million stupid reasons. Putin is actually counting on it--which is why a little cold-war style brinksmanship is just what we needed to do! Think Cuban missile crisis. They think, "let's give her a go." |If the US rolls over, we'll just scarf up the old union...if they challeneg--we'll just go back to the status quo with a larger presense in the breakaways. It is a win-win for them---but a lose-or-seriously lose proposition for us.
Russia is on the move once again deeper into georgia....hey; I love their take on cease fires: You stop shooting so we can kill you more easily:))
But, what did we expect? This cease fire was a French idea...and we all know how well those go when the shooting starts:))
I agree with both you and geoff that action is required. Firm, resolute action now! But...I do not see the current crop of hamstrung idiots in Washington as having the spine to try. Not even a reinforcement of the Ukraine...
Joe M
Thursday, August 14, 2008, at 20:40:55 (ZULU)
Based on what's been seen in the press about Georgia, Russia may not do so well in Ukraine...even without the US
medicjim
Thursday, August 14, 2008, at 21:32:41 (ZULU)
It might be the one thing that brings out fragile country to our knees. And you know what Martha Stewart would say about that.
We are in a real bad position, and have been for many years. We have allowed ourselves to become totally dependent on a people that hate the ground we walk on - Hello, is there any intelligent life in Washington D.C.???.
Back in the 70's, our power infrastructure was aging and nuclear was on everyone's shit list (remember 3 mile Island??)
At $10 a barrel, it was cheaper to import oil than to rebuild our crumbling refineries and power infrastructure.
So America got on the middle east's tittie. It is the classical dynamic of the drug pusher - "Hey kid, it's only 10 bucks a barrel and it'll make you feel good".
But when the kid can't live without it and can't make it himself, it's "Hey USA, it's $150 a barrel, and fuck you while you are at it".
The Democrats, the Greenies and Eco-Nazis, and yes Martha, even the friggin Republicans, all sucked us into this mess. They were so busy pushing their PC agendas that the energy foundation of the country slipped down the toilet while everyone was screaming at each other, and pushing their own petty agendas - and they are still sucking (or should I say "flushing") us, with no turn about in sight - with $150 a barrel oil, we STILL HAVE NO ENERGY POLICY!!!
Our enemies are getting stronger with our money, cuz we became addicted to cheap energy (and cheap sneakers), and now the worldwide demand for energy is driving us into a corner.
The Iraq war WAS about oil, and don't ever forget it - but it wasn't about GWB and his friends making money on oil, it was because if Saddam Husein had continued on his path, America would have been brought to her knees 10 years ago.
When you are talking about using the nations military fuel reserve to run cars on an everyday basis, you are lost, because what are you going to replace it with - $200 a barrel oil?? You cannot replace it, and when you need it (like in a national emergency, Duh), it is gone.
We cannot fight in Georgia, and we have one of two assholes coming into office in five months - neither of which is capable of handling the current mess, much less a new problem in the Balkans.
So if Russia pushes, Georgia will fall, as will the surrounding countries, and there's nothing we can do to stop it - we are 250% over extended, and you can only do that for a short while, before it breaks you.
Our military is over extended. The situation in Iraq is not real good, and not getting better in the foreseeable future. Their government is paper mache'.
Iran is on the verge of being a real problem, and if it does, the middle east will go up in flames.
We import 70% of our oil from the very same people that would wholly LOVE to see this country on our knees.
If the middle east turns into a bruhaha, America's economy collapses - you can't get to work, because you can't get gas for any price - 90% of the airlines shut down - the food chain breaks, and it makes the 1930's look like a birthday party.
We are on such thin ice, that is should scare the living shit out of you.
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That said... I'm gonna go back to bed !
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'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, August 15, 2008, at 12:01:12 (ZULU)
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2008/08/14/vo.gerogia.journalist.shot.gerogiastatetv
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, August 15, 2008, at 14:19:07 (ZULU)
One of the things I am looking for is an unnatural rise in dollar value--like now. Our FED interest rates are about nil right now, while the ECB cranked their up to ~4%...but the Euro fell despite being propped better. Why? That is NOT the "norm." Instead, what is at work is the larg dollar holders (bad actors) were watching their deposits erode thru inflation. The Fed's ability to control our currency is undermined by the sheer volume of currency held in foriegn capitols. I mentioned the danger here before. Now, once the dollar stabilizes--who will be the first to try to get out?
Man, if that stuff ever starts--we will be fucked before we wake up in the morning.
Joe M
Friday, August 15, 2008, at 15:43:15 (ZULU)
To bring that stuff down to "Plain Folks" level, the concept of trade (fair or otherwise), is that two people, towns, states, or countries, have stuff the other needs.
Two Indian tribes that live on the Maryland coast won't "trade" fish for fish, but a tribe on the coast will trade fish for grain or red meat from an inland tribe - each one needs (or wants) the other tribes stuff.
Sometimes, the fishing tribe wants grain, but the grain tribe doesn't want fish - they want red meat - so the tribes work out a system of pretty colored beads, so the fishing tribe can get grain for beads, and the grain tribe uses the beads to get read meat, and the read meat tribe can trade the pretty colored beads for fish... Voila - a common currency. That's how three (or more) party trading works.
In modern societies, we do the same. First we did it with gold (that was very pretty and shiny too), but that got heavy, so we printed our beads and we call it "money" (definitely not worth as much as gold, and probably not worth as much as real colored beads).
Our problem is that we give China and the middle east over a trillion dollars a year, and we don't have much stuff they want to buy with our "beads".
We don't make anything any more, so we can't trade oil for our tools and machines - hell we buy their machines too.
Id est, they can't use the colored beads we gave them to get something we made - and they can't use out colored beads to get anything from anyone else either...
... so they use the colored beads to buy our land, our businesses, our forests, and our resources.
So while you say we are buying gas with our "discretionary" money - I say we are using our money for what we must have (or we die), and our government didn't make sure we would have it - the main function of government is the security of the nation (not handing out pork projects for votes), so the government has failed (totally) in it's prime directive.
Arguably, it should be replaced, and if the truth were known by the public, this November, they would throw out EVERY friggin incumbent, and they'd do it again in two years, and two years after - but the public has no idea of what is going on because the other "Pillar of freedom", the free press, is getting blow jobs from the government - so the plan folks have no idea of what's going on.
You can NEVER enter a one sided trade relationship, and expect to win, or break even... and now, we can't even quite the game, because our government has not given up the tools for independence.
Unfortunately, the Libertarian Party is so hung up in the "No income tax" platform, that they miss the real problems that the Libertarians philosophy would deal with... and the public has no other party of choice.
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I've already said twice as much as I should have - back to legal shit.
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'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, August 15, 2008, at 18:12:02 (ZULU)
"You can NEVER enter a one sided trade relationship, and expect to win, or break even..." MAybe you could call this the "pawn shop" theory. You know what it's worth, they know what it's worth, but you're not in a power position at all.
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, August 15, 2008, at 18:42:33 (ZULU)
And, a better way to look at it is this: We send them little green pieces of scrap with dead presidents' pictures on them, and they send us their efforts and resources.
I just hope they don't catch on, since we use those scraps for other things too. But, in a nutshell--there lies our problem: Sooner or later, the whole world will look at the "wealth" they accumulated for what it really is...and, well, ya better have some commodities to barter with when that realization sets in...
back to turbo chargers and other "in over my head" mechanical shit.
Joe M
Friday, August 15, 2008, at 18:52:14 (ZULU)
Those "... little green pieces of scrap with dead presidents' pictures on them," are I.O.U.s against the future of this country - and if those rage heads have a hissy fit and call in those notes by dumping them on the market - watch oil go to $500 a barrel and computers, foreign cars, and TV sets go through the roof - we basically naked in the worlds economy, and there's no towel to reach for - we throw that away when were buying votes from the left.
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'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, August 15, 2008, at 21:15:50 (ZULU)
While Condoleeza Rice was in Tbilisi, a Russian column of APCs, 200 troops, and 3 helos left Gori and advanced to within 55km of Tbilisi.
Source - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4543728.ece
Are the Russians nuts, bullies, or are they holding 4 aces and we don't know it yet?
Geoff M
WI, USA - Saturday, August 16, 2008, at 04:10:04 (ZULU)
CDC'
Saturday, August 16, 2008, at 06:05:53 (ZULU)
What the hell are we gonna do about it...? All our troops are in the sandbox(es)!
Sharon
Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Saturday, August 16, 2008, at 14:06:00 (ZULU)
I tried to give you some dope in the 6mmBR, and yourt e-mail service kicked it back to me :((
So a friend answered on 6mmBR forum :((
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'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, August 16, 2008, at 20:57:05 (ZULU)
So many questions,so little time !
Regards,
Joisey Steve
Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Usa - Saturday, August 16, 2008, at 21:50:17 (ZULU)
Just freakin' cool!
Being among troops again does make me twinge with slight regrets though. I still had a few miles left when I bailed out...
And, I misunderestimated the desire to "be there" when he arrives in Iraq or the 'stan. Intellectually, I know that would be an inherently bad idea...but the heart says otherwise. It it probably a good darn thing I did retire.
Joe M
Sunday, August 17, 2008, at 22:53:38 (ZULU)
UnPat
UnPat
Wi, USA - Monday, August 18, 2008, at 07:38:31 (ZULU)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/08/18/musharraf.address/index.html
Musharraf says he will resign Pakistan presidency
"...Musharraf has been a keen ally of the West in the fight on terror, receiving billions in military aid from the U.S. and launching attacks on militant groups near the country's border with Afghanistan."
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, August 18, 2008, at 11:05:13 (ZULU)
"...Musharraf has been a keen ally of the West in the fight on terror, receiving billions in military aid from the U.S. and launching attacks on militant groups near the country's border with Afghanistan."
Yeah... and now he retiring with half of it!
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'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, Da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, August 18, 2008, at 14:29:42 (ZULU)
...cost of doing business in that part of the world :-(
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, August 18, 2008, at 16:45:04 (ZULU)
Is it at all possible USRAC/Winchester assembled any M70's outside of the New Haven, CT plant? A numbnutz on another site is claiming to have a .375H&H Safari Express that is roll-marked "Columbia, S.C." and was assembled in a super-secret squirrel plant on Hobart Road, Blythewood SC sometime pre-2006.
He even claims he bought it directly from the facility.
I know outside vendors produced some parts, but wasn't all final assy done in CT?
Les
CT, USA - Tuesday, August 19, 2008, at 14:05:51 (ZULU)
The new Winchester plant is in SC.
The FN plant has been there for a long time, and they made the FN police riffles
Since FN and Winchester wer(are) owned by the same folks, when the Winchester plant in CT closed, it was a natural to move "Souf".
It all has a lot to do with the union contracts.
Back in the 60s and 70s, when we were the production capital of the world, the unions got some sweetheart deals - the auto companies gave life time medical - who knew what a fuckin disaster that would turn out to be...:(
... well, Winchester signed a contracts that had a lot of bad stuff in them, which is why they stopped doing custom stocks out of the custom shop... AND - they could not open plants in any other state, or move to any other state.
When the economy went east to the Asian rim... Winchester was stuck between a rock and a badd place. And the state was hitting them with a tax load that would pay off the national debt.
They couldn't win, they couldn't break even, and they couldn't leave the game and go to another state... so there was only one thing to do, and that was to fold their hand.
Your friends riffle was made in SC. I would be interested in when he got it. Is it marked Winchester or FN.
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'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, August 19, 2008, at 15:20:04 (ZULU)
My first stop for fuel was Indianapolis:)) The numbers seem to vary alot between throttle settings (26mpg@65mph, 22@70mph, and 18@80mph)---the overall average within the first 680 miles was 21mpg. I find that driving the speed limit, at night, is hard to do. Oh, this is with "stock tuning" as my computer was NOT in the boxes I got in, neither were the turbo fan, a series of 4" bolts, or some wiring.
I will not talk bad about either my vendor (usually does not use this company) or my manufacturer (direct shipped) for this screw-up now that it is all fixed. In their favor---the manufacturer uses a set of vendors who are all "trained" in the kits' requirements...in this case, my model year could have had one of three "tunes" and the turbo may be one of two models---they needed to have that up front to ship. They had "due out" for me...once my vendor called (they would not talk to me due to the outsider nature of my order). As for my vendor---he is working thru AAFES---so my "profit margin" in part will go to our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines as MWR funding.
Whatever PITA this is...it is worth it to me...and that is all that counts.
Banks trans-command module is a must-have if you use an auto tranny in a towing situation. Its da bomb!
I'm heading out from KY today--along with a old family friend and paratroop...
Joe M
Tuesday, August 19, 2008, at 15:32:17 (ZULU)
*Dunno if you can do this with cruise control. Have a throttle lock on the big truck. Poor mans cruise control.
WR Moore
Tuesday, August 19, 2008, at 17:27:40 (ZULU)