Tuesday, July 1, 2008, at 11:38:21 (ZULU)
Where do we find these nitwits?
In other news, Gitmo Detainees are using their new-found rights as American Citizens to sue the shit out of everyone in sight. The'll love the discovery process.
As a means of fixing our energy calamity, the democrats promise to cripple the energy companies and to touch a match much of the worlds food supply.
If I understand McCain correctly, he promised to throw southern border open to any and all. He has a 30% chance of winning.
Click my name. Halfway down on left is "The Prediction Markets". Click on "politics". It is surprising how accurate this thing is.
CDC'
Tuesday, July 1, 2008, at 11:38:21 (ZULU)
The comment on the short bus 4 ignores a staple of the lawyerly existence: citing differing case law to support opposing points.
Granted, at their level they're theoretically looking for the "original intent". But, this rarely happens regardless of who's on the court. However, the intellectual pandering to fit a personal agenda is a bit much.
Re McCain, the last quote I heard was some time ago and was on the order of "If they want a wall, I'll build the G-D wall!" Works for me.
WR Moore
Tuesday, July 1, 2008, at 18:54:18 (ZULU)
Good job, Scalia!
Now, let's get strict scrutiny and incorporation!
Les
Tuesday, July 1, 2008, at 19:30:36 (ZULU)
Joe, that's about the definition of irony, right there.
Geoff M
WI, USA - Tuesday, July 1, 2008, at 19:43:11 (ZULU)
The city of New London should be sued for this, as they took the property for their proposed development. They should be required to see that such development is completed in the spirit of the "common good," as that was the spirit of their move to take the property. HA!
That will then put the financial burden on the taxpayers of that city.
The taxpayers would then be getting ALL the government they voted for.
They deserve that. HA!
Les
Tuesday, July 1, 2008, at 19:45:40 (ZULU)
Joe,
I too favor the tangible investment. You can always live on and farm land that you own, and if cows become worthless, you can always eat the loss and be happy to do it.
Right now, I'm mostly invested in guns, because my wife can't spend the money I have tied up in them, and most are worth about twice what I've invested in them.
jc,
Padded bras are false advertisement, and should be outlawed! You think "ground shrinkage" sucks when you've just spent thousands to go on a trophy Elk, moose, or sheep hunt? "Bra shrinkage" is far worse.
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, July 2, 2008, at 05:02:56 (ZULU)
WR Moore
Wednesday, July 2, 2008, at 14:58:21 (ZULU)
Here is the article:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=768709
And here is a letter to the editor I wrote, that they will never in a million years publish:
"I read with profound disgust and dismay the article detailing how a group called the "Peace Action Coalition" was able to singlehandedly force the US Army and Summerfest to modify their simulator on the Summerfest grounds.
To imply that there is something wrong with a soldier shooting and killing people who mean to bring death to them, to us, and our nation is disingenious, immoral, and does a grave disservice to our soldiers and citizens both. The purpose of an Army, is to protect us AND our allies, by killing those who would kill us and our allies if necessary. It is ideally done only under certain conditions by morally honest men, when all other means for conflict resolution have failed, and/or the need is of the utmost to preserve the lives of the innocent both short and long term. Killing the enemy is the last resort. But under those conditions, it is reality. It is not wrong, but right. The Peace Action Coalition's actions plainly insinuate it is wrong and further they damage society by obfuscating a difficult moral issue.
Rather than question and focus on the act of killing the enemy, the focus would be much more productive to be placed on the "why"....why does the person in the sights of your US Army issue rifle deserve to be shot. These are moral lessons that a moral people should, nay, must learn to be a complete and just nation. To claim that there is no place for killing the enemy is to bury your head in the sand and invite mockery by our enemies who would overrun the weak in both body and in moral spirit.
I find it much more morally reprehensible that liberals such as those populating groups like the "Peace Action Coalition" would claim so vociferously that it's wrong to teach people to shoot an enemy who means to kill you and bring harm and death to your people, yet staunchly defend the "right" for someone to kill their own defenseless unborn child, someone who by definition could mean no one any harm whatsoever. Surely, that is the definition of hypocracy.
In sum, it's a shame that people like the Peace Action Coalition are not publicly ridiculed for their immature, immoral, and ignorant stance in the way they so obviously deserve.
Signed,
G********"
Geoff M
WI, USA - Thursday, July 3, 2008, at 18:05:08 (ZULU)
Received my Giraud case trimmer order today. Quality product. Impressed so far. Tried it out with 50 pieces of resized WCC 5.56 brass. Highly recommended for anyone reloading bottleneck brass in any volume, esp for a semiauto. Purchased with .223 Rem and .308 Win fixtures, will definitely have to purchase the cartridge fixtures for my other bottleneck rifle cartridge chamberings. I'll probably purchase another cutter as a spare too, not that I would expect to use it anytime soon. This is definitely a tool I wouldn't want down for any extended period of time :-)
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, July 3, 2008, at 23:54:13 (ZULU)
Now that you have the Giraud trimmer you need to call Sinclair and get you a few of these: Forster crossbolt lock ring
http://www.sinclairintl.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=FCBLR&type=store
You'll be glad you did 'cause they're gonna save you a whole lot of time when you change case holders. Just set 'em and forget 'em.
Everybody have a great 4th of July weekend. Remember to fly your flag and remember what it stands for. And say a prayer or two for our Military.
jc
jc
Tennessee, USA - Friday, July 4, 2008, at 05:05:05 (ZULU)
Hear! Hear!
Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Friday, July 4, 2008, at 06:05:06 (ZULU)
Way ahead of you :-) I read about using lock rings with the Giraud from another source, and had planned ahead. I already have some lock rings from my Reddings dies that I'll be using. I use the Lee lock rings for my reloading dies, so the Redding rings are surplus for that application. Should have enough for my various rifle rifle cartridges and the Giraud case trimmer.
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, July 4, 2008, at 07:16:37 (ZULU)
Thank you!
My family and I will remember you today while we celebrate our freedom, and will say a prayer for all of you.
All the children in attendance will damn well know it ain't about beer and firecrackers.
Everyone please have fun and be safe. Take a moment to make sure the kids know why we're celebrating.
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On another note:
We took the turn pike up north the other day, and at a rest stop, some ole boy noticed my NRA hat. We got to visiting, and talking about Heller V. D.C.. It sure was nice to run into someone else outside of a gun store or shooting range that gave a shit about our rights. The ones that are "inalienable" and, "shall not be infringed".
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, July 4, 2008, at 08:33:52 (ZULU)
It's kinda amazing that just a few days before we celebrate the freedom of the country, we finely got the verification that we are free to own the tools of our original freedom.
Being on this site for 11 or 12 years, I can't express how much I love the sanity and maturity of thought that goes on here.
Other shooting sites are rife with the same thousand beginner's question, "I just bought a Tabasco scope, and want to know...." for the 39th time that week.
We weren't ever that bad (I don't think) though we have had our "colorful moments" in the past... but the level of thinking here is awesome, and when we get into shooting topics that are at the edge of the art, no one screams that's it's too much for beginners to know.
I just left another site for posting advanced topics, and I was amazed at the owners attitude - it was like he was running the site for beginners, even though it was an "experts site".
But.. "Hell, I've been thrown out of better bars and beds than this!".
:)))
I'll drop this in for some of you guys that are forming cases... might be useful some time.
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A fellow that just bought two rifles made by (XXX), both in 25-06 Ackley, was having 30& case head separations on fire forming loads.
I suggested an old technique... (older than I am... which is "dirt"!!), about wiping the case with a very light oil, like G-96 (cuz it smells so good) or even plain kerosene (which smells BAD).
On firing, the case slides back to the bolt, fills the chamber to whatever variation you are making, and there is absolutely NO case stretch.
It is a technique that upsets some unknowing scaredy cats and pisspoor smiths, but it works 100% of the time and there is absolutely no "danger" in it.
We all know that cases stretch in front of the web if there's any headspace. What most shooters don't know is that there is two kinds of "headspace"... the SAAMI headspace, and the "working" headspace.
The SAAMI headspace is the measurement to a given diameter on the chamber/case so that different factories can make chambers and ammo that fits (kinda~sorta).
SAAMI allows a variation in this measurement, because no one can make chambers and cartridge cases to a tolerance of 0.00000001"
With center fire cartridges, the tolerance is typically X.xxx" +0.007" on chambers and X.xxx -0.007" on cases.
A chamber might be 2.000" up to 2.007", and the case might be 2.000" down to 1.993"
So if you have a max chamber and a min case, they are both "OK", and the gun doesn't have "headspace" (according to the local pipe fitter "aka gunsmith" who's specialty is mounting scopes before hunting season)...
... but you have 14 thou of [b]working headspace[/b]... the real, measurable space between the head of the case and the bolt face, when you are ready to shoot!
Now - here the other thing. This guy named John Bell Blish (anyone recognize the name?... he is the discoverer of the "Blish effect"... he discovered that copper and bronze, when forced against iron or steel under a fair amount of pressure, will stick to the steel (or iron) - en-ga-neers call it, "Stickshon" cuz it sticks (duh).
When the pressure then goes below a certain threshold, the copper/bronze lets loose ;) It's really cool :)
He designed several artillery pieces using this effect, and the first Thompson Submachine guns used his "Blish block".
This same effect is responsible for case stretching - when the pin falls, and the primer fires, the case is forced forwards with a lot of force (~700 pounds, according to Richard Diaz of Remington's research laboratories in Georgia).
The primer is then protruding out of the case by the amount of the "working headspace" that you had, and it is holding the case forwards. Now the powder burns and the the pressure builds up, and the case walls STICK to the chamber.
But the pressure keeps building up more and more, and the case head is some 14 thou AWAY from the bolt face. At some point, the brass in front of the case web gives away, and it's like a micro-avalanche... the metal crystals start to slide across each other, first a few, then wham, they all start sliding and the case head goes back until it hits the bolt face!!!
Now the case is thin in front of the web, cuz it stretched, and the metal for the stretch had to come from somewhere - it is so thin that you can feel the weak place with a bent paper clip... but it is also permanently weakened and will always be on the verge of coming apart.
Some people talk about "Bolt thrust"... that is a fairly recent term in the shooting lexicon - I remember when it first arrived - there is no such thing.
Thrust is a linear force generated by some type of "engine"... springs develop thrust - propellers develop thrust - car engines do not develop thrust, but when you run them through differentials, and into tyres, the tyres develop thrust - thrust is linear.
In a gun, it's the case that develops "thrust", not the bolt... the pressure pushes the case backwards, towards the bolt face.
Now, here's the thing - whether you like it or nor, the back of a 308 case is gonna whack the bolt face with a force of ~3,500 pounds (this is NOT PSI, but real pounds - like a pickup truck falling on your bolt face).
It does NOT make any difference whether the case is dry or wet with oil - the case is gonna hit the bolt face with ~3,500 pounds - if the case is dry, it's stickshon will hold it is place for a few microseconds, until the brass crystals start to slip, but then it will whack the bolt face with the same total force anyway.
But... if the case is dry - the head will be held off of the bolt until the pressure builds up, and then the release will be quick (in ballistic time frames) and it will let go and really whack the bolt - if the case is wet, it will immediately start sliding back as pressure builds up, so the case head will actually hit the bolt LESS sharply when wet, than when dry - those of you that slept through eleventh grade science might not get this, but there should be some of you out there that are saying "Well, I'll be a sonovabitch - damn, that's right!!"
So... if the case is wet, it will not stretch first... it wall gradually slide back - so the newly formed case has no stretch, and is a perfect fit to the new chamber. :) :) Martha Stewart would say, "... and that's a good thing"
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Back to bed and see if I can salvage some of the night...
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'lito
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, July 4, 2008, at 09:54:57 (ZULU)
I really hate to try to pick nits, 'specially with 'Lito, but I'm being paid almost what I'm worth, nothing is going on and I'm bored (and metalurgy classes were 40 year ago). Sooooo.... Maybe I'll learn something.
"The metal crystals start to slide across each other........" Molecules, not crystals. I do believe at the point you're describing, plastic flow is taking place. When you get crystalized metal, failure is taking place, as in cracking.
WR Moore
Friday, July 4, 2008, at 13:33:59 (ZULU)
Geoff: I agree with your point, although I would not have engaged the 'human" feature on that sim myself at that venue. Not because of any liberal or conservative differences, nor of hawk or dove disagrement---but for a human reason. Fortunately in society, the taking of human life is not a natural act. The "process" for conditioning one to do so is a time tested ritual. And yes, i do think that today's video games, other than the army's, are doing this on a small scale and are not that great of an idea in general (but that is a different issue). As a recruiter, or at least a direct commander of recruiters, we sold the army mostly on the good benefits. Very few are sold "on killing." BTW, that is a good book on this very subject. The concept of killing on command or as reflex is brought forth in a very controlled environment, and in stages. A fair is not the place to start this:))
This is a very convoluted subject--the success is to make killing a conditional thing---a failure is to miss that target and turn out indiscriminate murderers--at least in mil circles. Video games in general (commercially available ones) do not make much distinction at all--and are thus suspect, at least IMHO. In fact, it is this very effect with "gamers' tht probably led the commanders and the NCOs to not even think twice about which scenario to use---"kids love to shoot movers" so why not??? A casual connection, to be sure. But...with predictable results: After all, this was not entertainment--this was "our heros" setting this on us:)) Ohhh noooo! The army kills! Badbadbad army...and of course it does. And we pride ourselves on our efficiancy at it--as well as breaking things too!
But the transition from polite society to a form of anti social behavior is really a delicate thing. It ought not be played out in a game with a general audience. Mommy and daddy would rather hear about junior's college fund anyway...
While it might surprise you that controversy errupted--it is predictable, at least I would have predicted it. Then again, I am not a "gamer"---I always thought of these as an evil that steals reality. It hit home when I had two gorgeous babes wanting to kayak a Miane river, and my partner at the time declining to captain the second boat---due to his near-beating of a new release game. I knew then that there was something evil afoot...heheh. But the point is, my theory is the decision to run this in the full mode was overlooked because of all the other games out there.
In other news, Bozo died. "Don't be such a fu^&*%ng Bozo, dude!" I never thought about it before, but what is it like to personify a unniversally negative stereotype for life? Thomas Crapper could have enlightened us...
In celebration of the dollar's decline and a few great stock picks (a few of which I mentioned here at various times past, like satellite radio, cisco and any big oil); I bought pair of softtails for the wife and I yesterday. Hers is a loaded Heritage of older vintage (93), and mine is a '00 Fatboy with no resemblence to the factory offering...in fact, it is the FLST version of my original softtail right down to the primary covers! I had no chance when I stumbled across this one:))
The nightster is nice bike; fast, nimble and cooool. But it is a small-assed sportster, and cramped for anything past the first gas station:)) I was gonna get a pair of them until i drove one. Big twins were off the list until the wife actually rode one--she was leary of the size. But they are easier to handle with their low cg--and once she got on it--she was sold.
I picked mine up yesterday morning, and went for a three hour putt. My face still hurts from the perma-grin:))
Joe M
Friday, July 4, 2008, at 15:24:43 (ZULU)
>"I really hate to try to pick nits, 'specially with 'Lito, but I'm being paid almost what I'm worth, nothing is going on and I'm bored (and metalurgy classes were 40 year ago). Sooooo.... Maybe I'll learn something.
"The metal crystals start to slide across each other........" Molecules, not crystals. I do believe at the point you're describing, plastic flow is taking place. When you get crystalized metal, failure is taking place, as in cracking."<
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You didn't think you were gonna get away with that one, did you? :)))
Brass and bronze are not a molecular mix... that is, one molecule of copper next to one molecule of zinc.
Like most alloys, it is a fine matrix of crystals of each metal.
If you cut a piece of brass or bronze, polish it, and then acid etch it, you will see the crystal structure.
Here's a brief comment from the Materials Research Society (warning, heavy in nerdness ;)
http://www.mrs.org/s_mrs/sec_subscribe.asp?CID=3155&DID=186567&action=detail
Also, more nerdness... with really cool phrases like:
"due to fatigue fracture through intense deformation bands with a complex planar-slip dislocation structure."
WOW!!! - it's better than a night with Marylin Monroe (cuz she's 82 years old, and a little stiff ;) :)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TW8-3VSG8GP-8&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=ec307822f1f1f472764d0169eb583553
Here's another :)))
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/112582983/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
"The dislocation structure of single crystals of -brass grown by directional solidification from the melt has been studied by X-ray topography and surface etching."
And this one - (man, I'm starting to breath heavy :)... has pictures of the little rascals:
http://www.jmst.org/PCN/qikan/manage/wenzhang/2008f66.pdf
WM... (you are in my back yard ;)... here's the thing.
When you take a piece of metal (any one, but we'll use brass now) and you push it a little (with your fingers on the mouth of a case) it will give in to the pressure and when you let go, it goes back to it's original form... but it you push too hard (with pliers), the stress builds up until the crystals can't hold their place and let go... and it is like an avalanche - they slide and tumble over each other until the stress is relieved by the change, and then they settle back in - but during the sliding period, they have almost no strength. After resettling, the brass will not return to it's original shape.
I don't want to say "ALL", cuz there's probably an exception that I don't know of, but the nature of metal is crystal structure, and when it deforms or fails, it is the crystal structure that slips over itself.
Even Mercury, when frozen, is a crystal metal.
And in the physics definition of matter, to be a solid, it MUST have a crystal structure - ergo, glass is considered a veeeeeeeeeeeeeery thick liquid.
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Happy birthday, America!
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'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, July 4, 2008, at 16:19:51 (ZULU)
What I do recall dealt mostly with the grain structure of various types of steel and if'n you examined cracks, you could clearly see crystals. IIRC, the crystalized metal had to be removed for successful welding.
Couldn't get any of your cites to come up. If'n I have time tonight, will dig out The Making, Shaping and Treating of Steel for some light bedside reading.
WR Moore
Friday, July 4, 2008, at 16:49:28 (ZULU)
Joe- Congrats on the bikes man I'm glad to see your out having some fun. I've crashed them too many times to get another. Maybe if I tried a cruiser someday that would help. The only ones that get my juices flowing are the crotch rocket sport bikes and dirt bikes. Every once in awhile the urge to buy one gets to me, but I manage to get through it avoiding the purchase and the inevitable horrible injuries.
Back to the reloading bench.
MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Friday, July 4, 2008, at 18:06:20 (ZULU)
Here is fact. Some old timers from early on here may recall? Since this is the place TIS was born here you go.
I started first in 1980s making them from torn apart 1907 leather slings. I seperated them in middle with Fas Tex type buckle. This looked like a Slip Cuff that broke in middel, made of elather with Fastex Type Buckle cuff option. This went on this way for 10 plus years. I amde them for several friends and myself. No business. Cuff looked similar to today except it did not have hold down strap.
The in mid 1990s I met Gooch who told me to make them from Nylon isntead. I started doing that and very first ones still came apart in middle. This bugged me as you ended with two halves with one hanging on ground when slung up.
Then I added a piece of HD elastic so when you unhooked the middle the rear half only fell slightly away.
After awhile a few folks forgot to hook Fastex type buckle back up and started running and elastic eventually started to come apart as its no match for a 17lbs rifle.
I sent to Rick B for review and he made suggestions for changes. I did them.
Then I went to current one piece design of Quick Cuff in late 1990s, added the cuff hold down starp and have not changed much since.
Now just for grins because this crowd tends to remember thinsg that did not happen yesterday. Did you first see a Quick Cuff that came apart in the middle or the new version? Bobbie I dont recall if you originally sold the two piece or one piece design?
I still have copies of this stuff but just wondered how good folks memories are?
Thanks for taken the time.
Ken package on the way. Thanks
Mike Miller
Ca, - Friday, July 4, 2008, at 19:49:49 (ZULU)
(thanks for the package too).
JoeM: Congrats on your Hawg purchase! and thanks for helping our 'so called' sagging economy (sorry - couldn't stand it)
Take care all,
Ken
Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Friday, July 4, 2008, at 19:58:57 (ZULU)
Mike/Undude
MikeMiller
ca, - Friday, July 4, 2008, at 20:11:15 (ZULU)
Just got shocked back to reality by a e-mail from Brian Sain. If HE'S asking how I am I figure it's time for me check in...
Busy, lot's going on, two beer story...;-)
Happy 4th of July.
Sir Wes
Wes Howe
Salem, OR, USA - Saturday, July 5, 2008, at 08:03:21 (ZULU)
Those Hawgs of you that have riflemen.net email accounts with me - can go here: http://mail.riflemen.net:7080/surgeplus or click on my name. The SurgePlus calendar and file sharing is kind of a handy tool for sharing files for your self if you access the internet from multiple locations or to share files with other Hawgs in the riflemen.net domain. You can use the windows based calendar/file sharing client or just use the web interface....
If you don't have a riflemen.net email with me... Shoot me a private message and we'll go from there....
Mike -- I too miss not having been to Storm Mtn for sometime. I found some old pictures of a Sniper Rendezvous(spelling) where Bruce Robinson was yelling at me as I went up that rappell tower (stress portion)....
Take care all,
Ken
Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Saturday, July 5, 2008, at 14:23:35 (ZULU)
Now to figure out whatever this interface is...sounds like the ticket to post those pics of my arms room...and of course, the two hawgs of the steel variety:))
Side note: The 88ci counterbalanced V-twin is the ticket!! Mine is carberated--I hear the injectors are even better.
Gary: It was good seein' ya if only for a few. Maybe next time, the wife and I can pop down your way! I hope that scope workie for what you wanted. If not, I stand by my deals with a full refund policy:))
Undude: Your cookies came bouncing back via the mail---addy unknown. Dunno where the wife got it from (thought it was off your email)---but whatever happened, it snafu'd-- can ya send me a good mailin' addy for a large box? The roster email workie for my account...
Joe M
Saturday, July 5, 2008, at 21:10:07 (ZULU)
JoeM: If you get stuck with the interface --just gimme a yell via landline. You can use the web interface from most anywhere and can install the client side interface as well on winderz boxes. The client side interface does calendaring, etc... Your riflemen.net account should be able to see into the file sharing. The private folder stuff is visible by only you, the other folders are visible by any of the other riflemen.net folksen....
I'll poke some .pdf files up in my share.
Take care all,
Ken
Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Saturday, July 5, 2008, at 21:31:22 (ZULU)
If ya start hearing a kinda whine that is louder on the left side then the right,it gets louder as the engine gets hotter....Take it in and get the cam bearings replaced...and Ya hafta request the GOOD ONES...otherwise they put the same junk brand back in...Also check the trans dipstick,and keep an eye on this as just about where the full mark is, is where the clutch cable comes across the dipstick and they have been known to saw the end off.What can happen worst case,is the stub can get into the gear cluster and lock up as your movin....Factory knows about it but isnt doin nothin.Just a lil heads up on The Greedy Bastards Motor Co.
UnPat
UnPat
Wi, USA - Saturday, July 5, 2008, at 21:58:54 (ZULU)
I've done some mathmatical modeling on penetration and was surprised that the 5.56 actually predicted about the same as the 6.8 SPC did with the previously mentioned loadings. Since the rest of the "modeling" seemed to agree with my own real world experiences and reports from others I have a hard time ignoring this finding.
I'm working on ammunition design right now and find I'd prefer some opinionated feedback rather than the sterile world of academic style assumptions.
Superior products come from meeting the real needs of the end users, not the needs imagined by the manufacturers.
Dennis "Buck"
Utah, USA - Saturday, July 5, 2008, at 22:22:19 (ZULU)
In materials science, the model (we learned) for shearing in a crystal was a dislocation traversing along a crystal plane. The current transmission electron microscopy photos of silicon transistors shows the atomic structure of the silicon and the grain structure of the other materials employed. I saw one photo of a crystalline defect, and you could see the atomic layer dislocation, just like they figured it would be, decades before we could actually "see" the atoms. State of the art transistors are now only a few dozen atoms across.
Neat stuff.
Duman
Sunday, July 6, 2008, at 05:57:20 (ZULU)
The Kreiger barreled, MCM stocked Rem 700 sporter 280AI I just bought will shoot 160gn Accubonds into 1.5" at 200yds from a casual benchrest off the back porch. That's good enough for me. It's a looser chamber than my 1000yd rifle, so cases fireformed in the sporter need full length sizing before they work in the match gun. I've pretty much given up on neck sizing anyways, I've got about 15k 30-06 cases to use before I even start running low.
Has anyone tried annealing case necks using molten lead as the heat source? I haven't had very good heat control using torches, I figure direct immersion heating would be more "better'er" so I thought I'd ask. I've got a few hundred lbs of wheelweights to smelt, so I figured to see about killing multiple birds with one stone. S/F.....Ken M
Ken M
Sunday, July 6, 2008, at 07:12:52 (ZULU)
It's a time / temperature thing.
Some tips:
Don't deprime the cases,keeps lead from sticking inside the case mouths.
Don't clean the cases too well as you might start Tinning them.
Omega Engineering makes nifty Crayon markers that melt at certain
temperatures.
You can mark a few cases at the start and see how long you have to
immerse the neck area to get a proper anneal.
The neck,shoulder and about 1/2 inch back from the shoulder should do nicely.
Please wear Eye Protection,Gloves and make damn shure there's no
water inside the cases your going to anneal.
Be safe not sorry !!!
Regards,
Joisey Steve
Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Usa - Sunday, July 6, 2008, at 13:15:50 (ZULU)
I'm still waiting for the gun. Ordered it back in Feb. and was told 6 to 8 wks. DPMS is 10000 firearms behind. At least i know i'm in the flow somewhere.
If you drive the bikes down we can go to Poopy's down in Savanna. Good place to go to get anything from leathers to tattoo's, and some of the fairer sex scenery ain't bad either. Oh did i forget to mention the bikes to.
Gary Kaney
NW, ILL, - Sunday, July 6, 2008, at 14:57:58 (ZULU)
Morgue: Anything to add? You see a different side of life...
There were a bunch of 9mm SMGs collecting dust on racks too:))
Unpat: Yesterday, the wife and I went by the "Highground" viet-vet memorial. On the way, I pointed out a whine that I thought was coming from my primary. Sounded like a muted blender on frappe, barely noticable over the thundering pipes:)) I am now thinking..oh shit. At least this one is on warranty.
Gary: Which one did you order?
Joe M
Sunday, July 6, 2008, at 23:29:57 (ZULU)
Greedy Bastards Motor Co. will only opt for one set of "free" cases.Heard of some failing in as little as 4,000 miles.Run it around,get it good and warmed up,grab a tech at the local authorized,and have him listen to it.Ya dont wanna foot the bill on a new set of cases.If its warranty odds are they will replace like for like and may not give ya a choice on "The Good Ones".
High Ground is a cool place.Know of it.Aint been there yet.Dad's been buggin me for a while to run the Shovel up,and doin a day run over.Dad is "Friends of the High Ground".Cant remember at the moment what all that entails,but its the only sticker on his HR-Police.Him and Ma hit that a few times over the summer.So if ya see an all black HRP w/Hack and an Air Force derby cover,thats his ride.If I remember what he all told me right Memorial Weekend is a big one over there.
Check out the 'Nam Vets M/C website for dates on the "Summer Twister" in Birnamwood.They put on one helluva good time....NOT the usual Hoggie thing.Ya might see some other patches,but not many H.O.G patches.Last time I was up there the Boys were runnin a all nude girls bike wash,Clean Fun?? But I think they do that every year.Had my hands full with somethin else but it was still a good time.
UnPat
UnPat
Wi, USA - Monday, July 7, 2008, at 01:48:00 (ZULU)
One of the brush caps for my Dremel 280 launched into parts unknown, looking to buy a replacement.
Any known source better than this?:
Dremel Authorized Service Center
4631 East Sunny Dunes
Palm Springs, CA 92264
(800) 275-2052
(760) 327-3003
Rob Dremel
I could find lots of vendors for replacment brushes for the 280, but no caps...
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, July 7, 2008, at 02:27:52 (ZULU)
The Panther LR-308C with the JP Ent. trigger. With that scope it'll get the job done very nicely.
Gary Kaney
NW, ILL, - Monday, July 7, 2008, at 11:19:34 (ZULU)
http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/
"...Speaking of which, I saw something really cool at the match....50 BMG polymer-cased ammo that was actually being shot in the match. The ammo, being developed by Mac LLC at the request of the Marine Corp, has about an inch of brass at the base, bonded to a polymer rest of the cartridge. The ones in use were 640-gr ball, and while it wasn't specifically developed as match ammo, it was turning in 20-inch groups at 1000 yards out of a Steyr HS. Joe Gibbons of Mac told me the push for the development of the polymer .50s was one for weight reduction...the plastic fantastic .50s weigh in at 25% or more less than a standard round of .50 ball. That means 25% more ammo for the helicopter machineguns, critical in mountainous Afghanistan where a helicopter's ability to lift weight is compromised by the high altitude. Gibbons said the ammo runs fine in the MGs, whihc are notorious for the violence of their actions. The Marines would like to have this stuff yesterday, if possible. Defense Review has written about some of the poly ammo development for the military...you can read it here. And, no, they wouldn't give me one as a souvenir!"
http://www.defensereview.com/article803.html (or click my name)
http://macammo.com/
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, July 7, 2008, at 17:12:00 (ZULU)
http://www.frfrogspad.com/cleaners.htm
-
'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, July 7, 2008, at 20:30:47 (ZULU)
I've been a fan over the years...
ribit!
Edited to remove link for now, since it has trojan virus lurking...
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, July 7, 2008, at 23:02:27 (ZULU)
"Scan type: Realtime Protection Scan
Event: Virus Found!
Virus name: Downloader
File: C:\Documents and Settings\xxxxx\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\yu8sogf4.default\Cache\98B5AC0Dd01
Location: Quarantine
Action taken: Quarantine succeeded : Access denied
Date found: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:43:10 AM"
It has a trojan in the content somewhere... Will attempt to contact them....
Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Tuesday, July 8, 2008, at 11:46:20 (ZULU)
Joe M
Tuesday, July 8, 2008, at 15:12:52 (ZULU)
If neither of those reaches you, please drop me an email via the site email function with an address at which I can reach you.
Thanks!
Lindy
Somewhere in the Mountains, Colorado, U.S.A. - Tuesday, July 8, 2008, at 19:40:11 (ZULU)
I got them both.
I'll answer in a day or so (alligators biting me right now ;)
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'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, July 8, 2008, at 21:15:24 (ZULU)
medicjim
Tuesday, July 8, 2008, at 21:18:23 (ZULU)
All the White Oak stuff is top notch, and John is a shooter's shooter. He knows a service rifle backwards and forwards. S/F.....Ken M
Ken M
Wednesday, July 9, 2008, at 08:00:19 (ZULU)
You might try Old Western Scrounger, but I think I heard he sold out to some bigger outfit.
That .351 stuff is hard to come by. I saw one at a local hock shop some time back, and thought about buying it for a truck/saddle gun, but couldn't find replacement parts or ammo. They wanted an awful lot for an obsolete gun, anyway.
Anyone need some Hornady .310 dia. spire points in 123 gr. weight? I thought I might use them in one of my '94's, but I'm afraid I might tear up the rifle.
Travis Morgan
Wednesday, July 9, 2008, at 08:38:16 (ZULU)
http://catalog.ammodepot.com/
Several folks have suggested calling them as they don't have a full inventory list on the net. They have apparently stocked the ammo in the past
or
http://www.reedsammo.com/Page3.html
They may actually sell brass
medicjim
Wednesday, July 9, 2008, at 12:11:32 (ZULU)
Try Buffalo Arms Co. I've had good service from them. Click on my name.
Cheers & S/F,
Doc
Doc Holloway
The rainy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Wednesday, July 9, 2008, at 12:49:52 (ZULU)
I never even heard of 351 SL...
Joe M
Wednesday, July 9, 2008, at 15:39:04 (ZULU)
I had read about it, legacy predecessor (in concept) to .M1 carbine. I think the US Border Patrol was using it in many decades ago (pre WWII?). Given the scarcity of even brass, I think you would have to pay *me* to take one. I like to be able to shoot the guns I own.
http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=22558
Extract:
CaSES:
Various compaines make .351 cases. Can be made with a LATHE and .357max. brass. The .351 ius a SEMI-RIMMED case with a deep extractor groove. It's a very close match to the head dimentions of the .38Super, just a lot longer.
If you don't mind a lot of work, can get it done with a drill press. Best with deprimed .357Max.cases...a pointed rid set up in a vice...the pointed rod to fit the primer pocket (this keeps it spinning on center...and a triangular file. Spin the case while riding on the centering post (the one in the primer pocket), file the rim down to size (that's where the post comes into play...keeps it spinning on center while you file), then file in the extractor goove. Can use a .38Super shell holder to load and as a guide for size.
HAve used .357 dies and a .38super shell holder to load..cases are thick...dies size the outside, so the thick cases are sized mroe than enough on the inside to hold a bullet. Just reduced the size of the expander to .351's to fit right. Crimping and seating are fine, just adjsut the dies UP in the press to make up for the longer length of the .351.
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, July 9, 2008, at 21:27:23 (ZULU)
If memory serves, most of the 351's were used in prisons, bank guards, etc....may be the same for the 401. Both were/are pretty weak ballistically, and the rifles weren't known for great reliability....pretty much a "big" Winchester 62 22 auto.
SteveinButte
Butte, MT, USA - Wednesday, July 9, 2008, at 22:47:41 (ZULU)
Doesen't Starline or somebody make .40 basic brass that could be used to make it?
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, July 10, 2008, at 07:04:55 (ZULU)
CDC'
Thursday, July 10, 2008, at 07:35:30 (ZULU)
This is a former police rifle, it has sling swivels. A few even came with bayonet lugs. Like most early 20th century Winchester rifles, it's a very well machined gun, completely unlike the flimsy shit common today.
CDC, my grandfather was in the Aleutians. I really wished I had asked him more about it. We swapped a few war stories after I got back from Iraq, but he went downhill pretty fast and now he's gone. He said there were days that it blew so hard you could lean into the wind at almost 45 degrees and stay suspended at that angle. After dealing with the conditions, fighting the Japs was easy. S/F.....Ken M
Ken M
Thursday, July 10, 2008, at 08:43:54 (ZULU)
CDC'
Thursday, July 10, 2008, at 12:46:59 (ZULU)
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-159255.html
Regards,
Joisey Steve
Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Usa - Thursday, July 10, 2008, at 18:28:59 (ZULU)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/sports/olympics/10marksmen.html?_r=2&emc=tnt&tntemail1=y&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
July 10, 2008
Army Sharpshooters Have Olympic Medals in Their Sights
By KATIE THOMAS
FORT BENNING, Ga. — Pfc. Vincent Hancock immersed himself in basic training with all the intensity expected of a recruit in wartime.
At Fort Sill, Okla., he learned to clear buildings of hostile fighters. He practiced the best way to climb into a truck without detonating a roadside bomb. He woke at 3 a.m. to do push-ups alongside soldiers who knew they would soon be serving in Iraq or Afghanistan.
And yet, whenever the others talked about deployment, Hancock kept silent.
A world-record holder in skeet shooting, Hancock, 19, knew he would probably never take aim at an enemy target. That is because he was recruited between his junior and senior years of high school into the Army Marksmanship Unit, a little-known squad dedicated to training and employing Olympic-level shooters. The unit, established in 1956 to serve as a symbol of America’s military prowess during the cold war, continues today as a public-relations and recruiting tool. Its members have won 21 Olympic medals.
Still, Hancock said: “If I’m sent overseas to fight, then I’m sent overseas to fight. I don’t have a problem with that.”
Hancock, a native of Eatonton, Ga., is considered a favorite in his first Summer Games. Of the 22 United States shooters going to Beijing, six belong to the Army unit based at Fort Benning.
About a month before the Games, the soldiers are spending long days at the practice range in a quest for the steadiest hand, the sharpest eye and the calmest mind. As they fire, the rattle of their precision rifles mingles with thuds from the Bradley fighting vehicles that soldiers are training in nearby. Each year, 31,000 soldiers pass through Fort Benning for training.
Unlike athletes in many other countries who belong to the military in name only, the 64 men and 4 women of the Army Marksmanship Unit carry many of the responsibilities of typical soldiers. They go through basic training, they must pass physical training tests and they teach marksmanship to thousands of deploying soldiers, including the designated sharpshooters who accompany Army squads to the front lines.
Many members say they cannot help feeling that they should be doing more.
“I haven’t been deployed or anything, and it doesn’t look like I’m going to be, but you wish you could be a part of that,” said Sgt. First Class Daryl Szarenski, 40, a pistol shooter who has qualified for his third Olympics. “To be a bigger part of the war effort than what it feels like I am.”
Most of the soldiers who compete in the Olympic events were civilians who had distinguished themselves at national and international competitions. Hancock, for example, had been named shooter of the year by USA Shooting, the sport’s national governing body, by the time he enlisted in 2006. Another member of the Olympic team, Specialist Jeffrey Holguin, spent nine years at the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs before enlisting in 2006.
“I wasn’t ready to give up on my Olympic dream,” said Holguin, 29, who did not qualify for the Games until he joined the Army.
Members of the Army unit compete in all three Olympic shooting disciplines: rifle, pistol and shotgun. They typically practice about five to six hours, five days a week, on 300 acres of ranges. They earn salaries based on their rank and travel to about 70 competitions each year.
In addition to the physical conditioning required of all soldiers, the shooters focus on mental training, which is crucial in a sport in which a millimeter can decide the difference between a gold and a silver medal. The unit, with an annual budget of more than $4 million, provides access to a licensed hypnotist, and the shotgun team’s office is outfitted with a brain wave monitor to teach the shooters how to clear their minds.
Members of the Olympic team are not exempt from the mundane duties of other soldiers. As one of the lowest-ranking members of the shotgun team, Hancock must make the coffee every afternoon for the others. Szarenski still cleans latrines. “You just suck it up and do it,” Szarenski said.
The United States, with China and Russia, is considered a powerhouse in Olympic shooting, but that was not always the case. In the 1950s, the Soviet Union seized on the poor performance of American shooters as a way to demonstrate military dominance.
“We were not winning anything,” said William O. Harden, who was drafted in 1957 and joined the marksmanship unit in 1960 as a rifleman. “It just didn’t happen because the Soviets and the Soviet bloc were so far ahead of us.”
Embarrassed by the Americans’ weak showing and dismayed at the overall quality of marksmanship in the Army, President Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered the creation of the unit as a way to develop competitive shooters and to pass their skills along to other soldiers.
“He wanted to beat the Russians,” said Harden, who retired from the Army in 1982 and works as chief of the unit’s Custom Firearms Shop. The orders were to “build the best rifles, make the best ammunition, get the best shooters,” Harden said.
In 1964, the Americans won seven shooting medals at the Toyko Summer Games. Six of those medals, including two golds, went to members of the Army Marksmanship Unit. Four years later, members of the unit won two medals, and in 1972, three more.
Before long, the unit had a reputation as the country’s premier training school for competitive shooters.
“If you wanted to be a real medal contender, you had to join the military and be at the Army Marksmanship Unit,” said Robert Mitchell, the executive director of USA Shooting, who was a member of the unit in the 1970s.
Competitive shooting programs in the Air Force and the Marine Corps were also effective, Mitchell said, although their influence has waned.
Members of other units of the military still regularly qualify for the Olympic team. Stephen Scherer, who will be a sophomore at West Point, is competing in air rifle this year, and Keith Sanderson of the Army infantry is competing in rapid-fire pistol. Roughly a dozen of the more than 600 United States Olympians going to Beijing serve in the armed forces, including a handful from the Army and Air Force World Class Athlete Programs.
Although none of the Army’s female shooters are traveling to the Olympics this year, women have played an important role. Maj. Margaret Murdock won so many international events against men — including a silver medal at the 1976 Montreal Olympics — that some of the men in the current unit speculate that she was a reason the sport created separate categories for women starting with the 1984 Summer Games in Los Angeles.
During the Vietnam War, the unit’s shooters traveled to Southeast Asia to set up sniper schools and sometimes fought on the front lines. Gunsmiths at the unit’s firearms shop used their expertise to help develop the M-21 sniper rifle during that time.
More recently, shooters have left the unit to serve overseas, including in Iraq, Kuwait and South Korea. In 2005, a group traveled to Iraq to train soldiers, although now they do most of the coaching before deployment.
Training 3,000 soldiers a year is the work that gives many of the unit’s members the most satisfaction, they say. What better skill can a deploying soldier learn, after all, than to be a good shot?
“You can see it on their faces, some of these guys,” said Sgt. First Class Tom Tamas, a rifle shooter who competed in two Olympics but did not qualify this year. “They’re not getting it. And we can pick that up, help them out.”
Some of the shooters appeared uncomfortable when asked if they ever feel guilty about being kept from combat. “No comment on that one,” Tamas said, crossing his arms and looking away. “I don’t want to go into that one.”
Since joining the unit, Hancock learned that a soldier with whom he had taken an advanced training course had died in Iraq. Hancock’s older brother, Matthew, 29, recently returned from his second Iraq tour.
“I know every night, I prayed for him to be safe over there and all the soldiers to be safe over there,” Hancock said.
But he said his assignment was to represent his unit — and the Army — by winning an Olympic medal.
“That’s really what I’m focusing on right now,” Hancock said. “I’m trying not to let anything else enter my mind.”
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, July 10, 2008, at 23:40:12 (ZULU)
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks. , U.S.A. - Friday, July 11, 2008, at 01:17:33 (ZULU)
Scott Smith
Friday, July 11, 2008, at 02:02:04 (ZULU)
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, July 11, 2008, at 02:41:59 (ZULU)
Email inbound via the roster. If you don't get it hit me at:
bwhittington AT-SIGN badlandstactical.net. Thanks sir!
Bobby Whittington
Grandfield, OK, USA - Friday, July 11, 2008, at 05:11:39 (ZULU)
Suggest you go easy on "plain text" email address postings, the spam spawning scum will harvest it with automation...
use something like "myname at microsoft.comnospamhere" to make it difficult to harvest.
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, July 11, 2008, at 11:31:09 (ZULU)
CDC'
Friday, July 11, 2008, at 14:25:03 (ZULU)
new Bob Lee Swagger novel coming...
http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2008/07/michael-just-teases-you-little.html
http://www.amazon.com/Night-Thunder-Bob-Swagger-Novel/dp/1416565116/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215722706&sr=1-2
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, July 11, 2008, at 16:28:51 (ZULU)
I can't really remember ever reading an article where the author admitted the gun was a jamming, no good piece of shit.
Anyone else know of some gun related periodicals that are overlooked, and keep the bullshit to a minimum? I'm gonna vomit if I read one more Glock article.
Also, if you had a June wedding, and are stuck for an anniversary present, my wife's selling Tupperware. She even has a website. Now, if she can sell enough of it to pay for the damned convention she's going to in Florida....... I keep stealing pieces of it for ammo, primers, etc., because they're handy, waterproof, and can handle the weight, so I don't end up having to dig ammo out of the seat cushions. Also good for storing guns and parts where they won't rust. They keep me from losing tiny little pieces made of unobtanium.
Speaking of unobtanium, does anyone know where I can find a replacement magazine tube for a 12 gauge Winchester 1897 takedown?
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, July 11, 2008, at 18:12:23 (ZULU)
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, July 11, 2008, at 18:26:07 (ZULU)
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, July 11, 2008, at 19:33:00 (ZULU)
Pelosi announces that drilling is a republican scare tactic that "is a hoax." There won't be any new areas opened according to her. If one does not think too highly of our elected reps in congress, they might just assume that the dem's do not want any downward movment of prices at the pump for fear that Bush--and repubs---would get the credit:)) naw...the loonies of the left wouldn't screw the country for the good of the party, would they??? Heheh. We deserve these clowns for allowing any idiot with a pulse to vote:))
In the mid to late 18th century, there were serious restrictions on who actually voted. The big difference is, of course, that they probably excluded more informed, knowledgeable voters then than we have participating in current day elections!
Joe M
Friday, July 11, 2008, at 21:20:19 (ZULU)
You can click on my name for a link to Gun Parts Corp. or try Buckingham's Antique Winchesters at (731) 559-4169. He's not on the internet.
Cheers,
Doc
Doc Holloway
The steamy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Friday, July 11, 2008, at 21:49:46 (ZULU)
"Small Arms Review" is a great gun magazine.
http://www.smallarmsreview.com/
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, July 11, 2008, at 22:38:12 (ZULU)
Wasn't the Green Guy Al Gore that said we needed to artificially get the price of gasoline to 5.00/ gal. Well here we are. Let the greenies have more say and we'll be at 10.00/gal. Heard on Paul Harvey yesterday- With people driving (?) percent less, that the Dept. Of Transportation isn't getting enough taxes revenue and at this rate will be out of money in 2010. Go figure.
Gary Kaney
NW, ILL, - Saturday, July 12, 2008, at 11:45:55 (ZULU)
There are Rulers then there are the Ruled.
What really pisses me off is the tone he takes when he talks down to us; Kind of a cross between Mr Rodgers and Bullwinkle J. Moose.
These people intend to be good Masters, but they intend to be Masters.
The American people could have 5 kinds of abundant, cheap energy if the Left would get out of the way.
CDC'
Saturday, July 12, 2008, at 13:42:09 (ZULU)
The truth of the matter is, we do not have to sink the first well to shove prices down. All we need to do is lie our asses' off about doing it. That will get prices down short-term. Actually attempting the drilling will keep them that way for some time. And, every bastard in DC knows this: The only conclcusion that fits is the dems placed party above country on this one---cuz a major drop in gas will put GWB's approval rating to an all time high, and make McCain look great in the fall.
Personally, I think this little sword the Dems are playing with has two edges and they do not know it. By doing nothing until their guy gets in--the damages will be done and oil prices will be among the mega-assload of our other worries. Another two edged sword: Teen summer jobs have gone bye-bye. Tagging and other hooliganism is up in every reporting jurisdiction I've seen lately, and other crime will follow sure as sunrise. All so that we can artificially create a living wage at the lowest end of the scale:)) Live on nothing? And tell me that wasn't known in advance! Now the solution will be another guvmint program to "help" these poor youths...and bind them to the the nanny state yet all the more.
Shit...I'm either a high-end cynic or I've fallen down the paranoia tree and hit every branch along the way to psychosis:))
As for the green party-types: They are oxygen thieves. I say we round em all up, fatten them up on bio fuels (to max out the carbon entrapments), wrap thier carbon-based asses in a big tarp ballasted with heavy metal contaminates from superfund sites, and dump the whole mess into the Mariannas trench:)) The the rest of us can get on with cleaning the sea, air and land sensibly without threatening to starve anyone or to reduce their living standards to a mud hut and gathering.
If you think really big picture (to big to connect dots here), these dumb ass greens are paving the way to world war 3. Not these little regional skirmishes like we have lately--I'm talking national survival (whole populations) wars on a global scale. As a brain-washed military mind, I kinda like the challenge of this path...but only in a theoretical sense:))
But it comes back to cheap energy. To feed this herd of 6.6 billion mouths, we must have cheap energy. That is how we got to 6.6 billion in the first place. Mecical science my ass; you have to eat to live long enough to make it to a doctor! Look at a 1000-acre family op; to work the fields, ya need diesel. No way a horse team will get that much off the field in the times required. But, since the green movement here is largely an urban bunch, we could always enslave them and....never mind. To the trench with them anyway!
Joe M
Saturday, July 12, 2008, at 18:50:43 (ZULU)
Yeah...wipe the coffee off the screen' funny! And the inspiration of my old alias, Boris. Put in place as the army started to look into soldier's using the internet to talk shop. I knew what could be said and what to keep quiet on--- I just didn't want to have a conversation with a dumb-ass staff JAG about any conversations I had here.
Joe M
Saturday, July 12, 2008, at 18:59:03 (ZULU)
Joe M
Saturday, July 12, 2008, at 19:51:04 (ZULU)
I don't have your in-depth knowledge of the market forces affecting energy pricing, but your analysis sounds spot-on to me. Especially the part about *starting* new-source production having a salutory effect on the speculative forces currently driving pricing upwards.
I just wish government was a bit smarter and would limit use of human-consumable crops as feedstocks into bio-fuel production. Using waste straw, etc - great, wonderful idea. Turning human-consumable corn and wheat into biofuel has got to have an impact on food pricing...
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, July 12, 2008, at 23:43:01 (ZULU)
My favorite SITREP line -- "Sniper observed and identified insurgent armed with a XXX and confirmed hostile intent. Sniper engaged with one round 300 Winchester Magnum (or 7.62mm Long Range). Spotter confirmed one enemy KIA."
I have orders in hand for Kirtland Air Base, New Mexico.
Where's them chiles?
sinister
Alpharetta, Georgia, - Saturday, July 12, 2008, at 23:50:40 (ZULU)
I thought "Boris" was inspired by "True Lies", as opposed to directly inspired by Rocky and Bullwinkle... One of Arnie's better movies IMHO.
I watched Rocky and Bullwinkle as a child. Also Beany and Cecil among other cartoons. I can still recite the central lyrics for "Ragg Mopp" (based on the Ames Brothers song)
http://www.lyricsdownload.com/the-ames-brothers-rag-mop-lyrics.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beany_and_Cecil
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, July 12, 2008, at 23:54:26 (ZULU)
