Sniper Country Duty Roster

>>>I don't see how they can make you register something you already own. That would make it an ex-post facto law which is illegal. But that minor problems like that never stops the Gobernment.<<<

The firearms act of 1968 did the same thing to H&R "Handy guns." They were smooth bore .410 pistols. You had to register then, destroy them, turn then in or rifle the barrel.

If you had any short barreled shot guns or rifles, the same applied... except for the 'rifling' part.

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Saturday, July 21, 2007, at 02:38:41 (ZULU)

Gentlemen,

Pat has railroad plates that he was shooting long before I showed up and he and I have been shooting them for the last four years w .308s, 6.5 x 284, .260 rem and they hold up great. Like dirty steve said, they are heavy.

Pat II
Saturday, July 21, 2007, at 03:32:43 (ZULU)

Joe M: Tried to contact via cell, no go. Need to confirm addres for outgoing package and wife's shirt size. You still at the same spot?

Dirty Steve: No sweat, hope you enjoy it!

MarcS: Take the die apart and see if any crud has accumulated in it to give you that much runout, then clean as necessary.

Joe Ducos
Turlock, CA, USA - Saturday, July 21, 2007, at 09:27:29 (ZULU)

PatII,

These rr plates? Are they the same ones that have the square holes in the corners for the spike to go in and into the rr tie?I was gonna have some 1in plates cut for me....but if these work I think I know where I might find a few rr plates that were discards since there is a set of tracks out back...Wouldnt take much to hang these from an "A" frame....

And since we all seen the .50 cal riccochet vid....What would be the min distance for shooting a .308 at gong targets? 200 yrds?

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Saturday, July 21, 2007, at 11:22:56 (ZULU)

Click for video of Blackwater "Contractors" engaging enemy.

I like how matter-of-fact they are about the whole situation.

CDC'
Saturday, July 21, 2007, at 12:59:17 (ZULU)

My next acquisition. Heheh

(click on my name)

Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Saturday, July 21, 2007, at 17:26:51 (ZULU)

Mk4,

Just the thing for goin thru Ill., and dealing with Chicago traffic,and tollbooths...Take 2 incase the first overheats.....LOL.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Saturday, July 21, 2007, at 17:47:06 (ZULU)

UnPat,

Can you imagine somebody crowding your bumper and then you let Ma Deuce outa the cage and let it do a 180! The applications would be endless. Heheh.

Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Saturday, July 21, 2007, at 19:09:34 (ZULU)

CDC',

Can you make out what scope he's using? Looks like it has a battery.

duman
Saturday, July 21, 2007, at 22:59:46 (ZULU)

Charles Hunt, and Dirty Steve, you guys may be able to point me in the right direction.

My dad and I own an industrial gas business in Houston. We sell lots of medical Oxygen, beverage Carbon Dioxide, Nitrogen, and lots of Helium to anyone who fills balloons.

We just bought another Helium business in San Antonio, well actually in Castroville. Within the next three to four weeks we need to move the business from Castroville into San Antonio itself.

I'd like to move into something in the South part of the city if possible. So far, I've been unable to find anything, even with the use of a realtor.

I'm trying to find something from about 700 sq. ft. to maybe 1500 sq. ft. I would need either an enclosed warehouse area or fenced area to store the cylinders in.

Ideally I would like to find a strip warehouse with a small office and roll up doors to the storage area where I could back a truck into to load and unload.

I thought that maybe you guys may know someone with some property who may be in the market to rent to someone who pays rent on time and won't trash their place out.

If you know someone please email me at tburkes,at,sbcglobal,dot,net I had no idea it would be so tough to find a place in SA, but I've had no luck at all, heck, at this point we're looking at property to buy to move the business to. That would be an option too.

Thank you.

Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Saturday, July 21, 2007, at 23:02:19 (ZULU)

Duman: Click my name for my best guess. Gentlemen?

CDC'
Saturday, July 21, 2007, at 23:48:51 (ZULU)

***********SPEW ALERT**********

Click my name.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, July 22, 2007, at 00:18:26 (ZULU)

CDC, did any of that info in the email help?

Sean
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada - Sunday, July 22, 2007, at 01:00:46 (ZULU)

Is it just me or does that blackwater sniper have his scope mounted with the angle bass ackward. (line of sight/line of trajectory)?

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Sunday, July 22, 2007, at 01:36:47 (ZULU)

Tony, Why not just use the Castroville location? I live just NW of Castroville. Castroville has damn near no crime. In SA folks will always be looking for stuff to steal. I dont know of any place that would suit your needs but have not being looking. I can check the West Side. I know there is a closed RV dealer next to a gun shop. It could fill your needs maybe. I will see if it has a dock in the rear.

I used to work South but went back closer to home. Are you moving here? If so I will meet with you and hook you up with a 500 yd range. A private place south of SA. Range fee is pricey haha. 50 for the first year 35 after that. I will send you email directly Tuesday after I look at the property I am thinking about. I could even take a few photos and email them.

Dunman, That Scope looks like a Loopy if I aint mistaken with target turrets. Chuck has one like that he may chime in on the model.

DirtySteve......

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Sunday, July 22, 2007, at 02:28:16 (ZULU)

While Castroville is nice, it's what, 28 miles or so from SA. The gas adds up, and that is where the majority of the customers are. Although if we can't find something in SA, it's up in the air.

I certainly do appreciate any help or information you can provide. I don't know SA at all, just from driving through on the highways, but my dad does, and is wanting to have the business on the south or east side of town, I'm not quite sure why. I don't want you to go out of your way, if you can give me an address to the RV place, I'll have it checked out by our driver who lives in SA.

My dad had five acres and a house in Bandera and just sold it for way more than he thought he ever would. We just got done putting stuff in a storage shed last week. He really likes the hill country and will probably be buying something there again. He likes to shoot as well. I'd be interested in the private range you talked about. Can you put up steel targets if you're a member? Ringing steel kicks paper targets ass all day long, in my book.

Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Sunday, July 22, 2007, at 03:27:44 (ZULU)

Tony,

I sent you a short note. If you get it and reply I will send my contact info inthe next one.

Yeah the South side has a lot of companys grabbing up property due to Toyota. Toyota and some of those companies could be possible clients. The address of the place I was refering to is in the 2400 block of SW Loop 410. Right beside the PowderHorn gun shop.

Glad your Dad sold his property for a good price. The market is drying up now. I go riding up there at the State Natural area some times. I love Bandera. A great little town with a neat mind set. Ride your horse to town. Eat and go to a bar then ride home.

Dirty Steve....

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Sunday, July 22, 2007, at 03:49:16 (ZULU)

Steve, got the note and replied to it.

Thanks for the information, I'll pass it on to him tomorrow about the vacant business. Being right next to a gun shop is a BIG plus in my book for sure.

Bandera is really neat place. If dad keeps going like he has been, he'll be a regular at the OST.

We're pretty good friends with the Bandera Bank president. Very nice guy, loves guns, hunting, and shooting. I talked him into shooting a match with me last year down at Rifles Only. I think I've got him hooked, he and dad will shoot the next one in November down there with me. If you need a banker I would look him up. When you go into his office he has two big European skull mounts of Cape Buffalo looking at you with two fine African rifles leaning against them.

I'm off to bed. I'm going on an offshore fishing trip in the morning, I sure hope I'm not pucking overboard all day long.

Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Sunday, July 22, 2007, at 04:23:11 (ZULU)

Tony: That shop Steve was telling you about might not be a bad idea. During business hours. you won't hve to worry too much, as there's a lot of heat gonna come down on thieves and robbers from next door. And, at night, your place would be in the care of the best cops in San Antonio, West Patrol. On the South Side, best area would probably be around the Military Dr./IH 35 area, as it's one of the busiest in the city, with all the bidness that comes with that. I'll start keepinn my eyes skinned back....

The Hill Country rocks. It's the last third of July, and I'm sitting here with the windows open, looking out the window at grass I gotta whack, again. I have deer that feed through every night. Possums,raccoons and various other critters compete with the cats for the food I put out every day. The lake, with a free county boat ramp, is 5 minutes away, and it's slopping over the sides with all the rain I've had. I live in a little subdivision that the Yuppies haven't discovered, yet, and the property prices aren't yet through the roof. Come up for a burger and a beverage some day, and look around.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Sunday, July 22, 2007, at 17:21:57 (ZULU)

For those who need something else to do, here is a copy of the "USAF

1951 Optical Resolution Target" to compare your Optics resolution.

http://www.6mmbr.com/targets.html

Scroll down a bit.

At 20X, the best my Leupold would resolve clearly at 200 yards was the # 4 pattern 0n the extreme right.

Old Unertl 24X Spotting Scope at the same distance would easily resolve the 3rd smallest # 4 pattern.

The Target is not to scale but makes for interesting comparisons.

Also good for setting / checking Parallax.

Regards & Good Shooting,

Joisey

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, US of A - Sunday, July 22, 2007, at 17:50:44 (ZULU)

Regarding steel targets, I traded email with these folks:

http://lvsteeltargets.com/main.htm

The material is AR500, the same stuff MGM uses. Since they're located in Vegas, I might pick one up on the way home from Shot-08. Save shipping.

duman
Sunday, July 22, 2007, at 22:18:21 (ZULU)

CDC, Duman,

Scope is a Leupold MK4 LR/T with an illuminated reticle.

Don't know which power range it is.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Monday, July 23, 2007, at 04:53:31 (ZULU)

Alright, this is too damn quiet! 1911 suck, Glocks rule, and Sarah Brady has a point.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, July 23, 2007, at 13:58:21 (ZULU)

Hey Charles thanks for the advice about coverage. I passed along you and Steve's recommendations to my dad this morning. We'll check it out. Since SA seems to be expanding in a westward direction, the gun shop location may be the way to go. I do like the idea of good police protection as well. When I do start making trips over that way, I'll get ahold of you and Steve for lunch, or whatever. I'll show you some of the nylon gear I make. There are several local LEO's that use my rifle covers and shooting mats, you guys may like them.

Please do keep your eyes peeled and let me know if you find something out. Heck, here's my cell number, it's listed on my business cards, so it's nothing secret. 281-386-9789

You are right, the Hill Country is very nice right now. It looks like a wetland everywhere. You wouldn't live near Medina Lake would you? We went driving around it about two weeks ago, man what a change over last year, the water level's almost back up to normal. It was down what 25, 30 feet this time last year? Come to think about it, it did seem like I saw a lot of tree hugger types around on the drive.

Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Monday, July 23, 2007, at 15:47:09 (ZULU)

Tony,

I live near Medina Lake. It is only 1 1/2 miles straight line distance from me. I am a located S/SW from the elbow in the lake. If you noticed any signs for a place called Mountain Valley Ranch while you were driving around out there you could follow those signs and it will take you past my place. I put out a red mail box I made from 3/16" steel with a box for packages under it. We had some punks stealing mail during the holidays so I thwarted them by making something so big and ugly they would leave it alone.

The water was going over the spill way this weekend on Medina Lake.

I sent you an email with the exact location of the lot with Google Earth co-ordinates.

Dirty Steve.............

Dirty Steve
Mico, Texas, USA - Monday, July 23, 2007, at 17:33:41 (ZULU)

Well I just got back from Vacation. South Dakota has not changed much in 15 years. I planed on shooting some p.dogs but the wife told me we had no room for guns or ammo. This was the first camping trip out of state with our 5, 7 & 9 year old and they had alot of stuff to take along plus this was a family vacation so oh well. Of course on the way home the wife tells me we are making a detour to De Smet, SD then Waulnut Grove, MN and Pepin, WI to see all the Little house on the prarie locations. Oh boy what fun!!

So no Shooting but had a good time.

PS. There sure were a lot of p.dogs out there.

JLU

Joe Udelhofen
Oconomowoc, WI, USA - Monday, July 23, 2007, at 18:15:30 (ZULU)

"Alright, this is too damn quiet! 1911 suck, Glocks rule, and Sarah Brady has a point."

Travis....You sure do like to stir the shit pot,don't ya?....LOL

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Monday, July 23, 2007, at 18:54:36 (ZULU)

Several month's back, Lito mentioned that Meade had bought a bunch of the lesser optics companies and might be making some changes. I'm looking for a low powered optic for hunting applications....it needs to be weather-proof and moderate in cost. Has anyone encountered such an 'animal'?

medicjim
Monday, July 23, 2007, at 19:11:37 (ZULU)

No, didn't get out by your place, we were driving around the north end of the lake.

Ha, story about the mail box is funny. When we get together remind me to tell you the one about the punks stealing our mail box when I was a kid. It involves a 30/06, a .357 and a Dodge Maxivan redlining around Alvin in pursuit of the POS's. Man that was funny, dad sure was pissed off that night, I'm glad I was on his side.

That's just amazing about the spillway, considering just how low the lake was just a short time ago.

Got the email, checked out the Google earth and replied back to you.

Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Monday, July 23, 2007, at 21:24:18 (ZULU)

Joisey Steve:

Gee, great minds think alike {lol}

I have a copy of the orig printed 1951 resol chart that I used for photography stuff. (Got it from Edmund Scientific years ago). I'll have to give it a spin with my optics.

http://www.vinland.com/USAF-1951.html

http://photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00346U

http://photonotes.org/cgi-bin/entry.pl?id=USAF1951

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1951_USAF_Resolution_Test_Chart

http://www.normankoren.com/Tutorials/MTF5.html

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, July 23, 2007, at 23:07:05 (ZULU)

Thanks for the responses concerning the security cameras. It is more complicated than I had hoped. I'll look into it more when I get the time.

CDC'
Tuesday, July 24, 2007, at 05:03:22 (ZULU)

"Ha, story about the mail box is funny. When we get together remind me to tell you the one about the punks stealing our mail box when I was a kid. It involves a 30/06, a .357 and a Dodge Maxivan redlining around Alvin in pursuit of the POS's. Man that was funny, dad sure was pissed off that night, I'm glad I was on his side."

Tony,

Ummm...Dont mean to intrude,Any chance on sharin that with all of us???That just sounds too good.I remember how hot Dad got when some drunk wiped out ours and ripped up the lawn with his 4x4...LOL....He got even hotter when the officers werent gonna nail the drunk for property damage...The 4x4 was parked in the flower bed,squads in our drive...Told them all they had 1 minute to get off his property or he would show them a victim....There was only one other time I saw Dad that mad,That was the day I mooned the bus driver....

UnPat

UnPat
WI, USA - Tuesday, July 24, 2007, at 05:14:25 (ZULU)

Travis,

You are right it is quite. I would like to hear a pig hunting story but Piggie Pete is AWOL. Bolt turned farmer on us. Rick has been busy. I plan on voting for Hillary. We need a change!

JLU,

I saw a bunch of P-dogs in Wyoming last summer. I almost bought a gun just to shoot some.

Dirty Steve.......

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Tuesday, July 24, 2007, at 06:22:41 (ZULU)

Pete's working his ass off trying to quit his space agency job in September, or October, I forget. He's also working like crazy in his rifle shop, getting ready for some kind of show in August I think. I've been sewing like crazy trying to get a big order finished up in time for him.

Ok, UnPat you twisted my arm:

Once upon a time, a long time ago when I was in about 9th grade, we lived out in the country. There had been instances of someone driving by and crushing, or just plain stealing mailboxes. Our mail box had been crushed a couple times when one evening we heard a noise outside. My dad ran to the door and here's this pickup truck hauling ass away, and our mailbox is gone. Now looking out our front door, these idiots were going to the left. If you go out our driveway and turn right, and haul ass, you can get to were you can cut off anything that went left. We had this big ass Dodge Maxivan, kind of a small bus, there were four of us kids and we all had a seat.

Dad grabs his Remington 30/06 and his Ruger .357 Mag. and says "get in the van" so I did, and we HAUL ASS out the driveway and to the right. We get to where there's no way out for the pick up, it has to go past us Dad stops this big van right in the middle of the road and gets out with his 06, and stands in front of it with the head lights shining on him, kind of like a Dirty Harry movie. All these roads back then were dirt roads, so there's dust blowing around too. We were'nt there but just a minute and could see headlights coming at us, and they were clipping along. They never slowed down, when they got almost to us dad shoots his 06 in the air just over the truck.

They hit the ditch and keep going. He jumps back in the van and 3 point turns that big sob around and away we go, trying to keep up with the pick up.

By some miracle we were able to trail these idiots into town and saw them turn into a house. We pulled up in front of the house, we weren't going to cross their property line. We could see the truck in the garage, and could see people peeking out of the curtains, this was before miniblinds. Well, a big heavyset guy comes out and asks what do you want. Dad says, I want to look in the back of that pickup, those boys just stole my mailbox. The fat guy says, "there's nothing in the back of the truck, and you ain't coming on my property" Dads says "well next time this happens there won't be any doubt at all about who stole my mail box, cause the sumbitches'll be dead in the middle of the road with their arms wrapped around that fucking mail box" and we left.

I didn't take long, like the next day at school, for the local hoods to start saying shit like "Tony's dad tried to kill us". They even had the nerve to accuse me of it. I told em, "if he'd been shooting AT you, you'd be a dead ass right now"

The story came out a short time later, that the 06 shot scared them so bad that one of the guys crawled out of the window doing about 80 mph and got into the bed of the truck and threw the mail box into an irrigation canal.

You know, there was never another mailbox crushed or stolen after that either.

And everyone lived happily ever after, the end.

Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Tuesday, July 24, 2007, at 15:22:37 (ZULU)

If it were night time, I think seeing a blackpowder shotgun fired over their heads would be absolutely unforgettable!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, July 24, 2007, at 20:16:31 (ZULU)

Thank's Rod !!

Look here for some of Pete's handi work.

http://www.freewebs.com/precisionrifle/newstuff.htm

Regards,

Joisey Steve

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, US of A - Tuesday, July 24, 2007, at 21:22:52 (ZULU)

Steve,

I'd much rather vote for a certain Sheriff in New Mexico as president.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 03:17:24 (ZULU)

Mailbox stories-waaaaay back in the last century I started college in a rural area of Pennsylvania. Seems for a certain group the height of Saturday night testerosterone displays was to dead center mailboxes with the front bumper of your ride. I do believe that John Barleycorn or Milt Malt had some involvement in this endevor.

Anyway, a farmer out on the main highway had lost quite a few mailboxes and did quite a bit of complaining to the State Police-without serious effect. So one week he got himself a good length of what I remember to be railroad rail of the 140 lb/yard variety-mainline rail. This was planted to a substantial depth in concrete and the mailbox hung on it after the concrete cured.

Come the wee hours of the next Saturday night/Sunday morning the farmer was awakened from sound sleep by a loud noise. He dressed, and drove the halfmile or so out the driveway to the highway. There he found a pickup truck with the mailbox about in the center of the hood-in either direction. 'Twas the last mailbox he had to buy.

I dimly recall some comments about someone coulda got killed. His reply was along the lines that they shouldn't have hit the mailbox then.

Re the "sniper" video. 800 meter engagements with a 5.56 mm???????? On a AR platform????????????

WR Moore
Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 03:28:38 (ZULU)

I read in reader's digest once about a guy that had a problem in his neighborhood with mailboxes disappearing, so he planted a piece of 4" pipe 4 ft. deep or so IN concrete, filled it WITH concrete, then put wood around it, so that it looked like a wood post. He ended up having to buy a new axle for some little asshole's truck.

What a bunch of bullshit.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 04:43:22 (ZULU)

WR Moore: "Re the "sniper" video. 800 meter engagements with a 5.56 mm???????? On a AR platform????????????"

Clearly something is happening. It's hard to tell exactly what it is. A guy could make a pest of himself with a little rig like that at 800 m. He could also get in over his head.

CDC'
The family that shoots together, has interlocking fields of fire, - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 05:16:07 (ZULU)

"Clearly something is happening. It's hard to tell exactly what it is."

That's pretty much my point. Kinda wondered if it was.......ah, a recreation?

WR Moore
Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 06:06:45 (ZULU)

Sniper Video... Yeah you could not see the targets. Plus I could not hear the crack of the return fire. They mentioned it in the video but no sound came out. Of course this could be do to the low quality of the recording equipment. With a 223 you can cause real problems for untrained folks. A 6.5 Grendel would have been a hoot for them to have. But a real SWS would have been the ticket.

Travis, "I'd much rather vote for a certain Sheriff in New Mexico as president." I think you mean Pima County Az... But that would be entirely too much to ask for. I was just trying to get things fired up. I would vote for Mike Dillon too.

Dirty Steve.........

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 07:02:22 (ZULU)

Tony B.,WR Moore,Travis....Great stories,Never did see the fascination to doin mailbox damages...Guess I missed something growin up???

Re the itchy fingered 800m 223 shooter....is it just me? or did I miss somethin in that vid?For all the shots that were fired I never heard anyone say "Ya got one" or "One bad guy down"...somethin to confirm a hit...Other than that one point where the Spotter(?) says "Your way high"... Also,What kind of velocity and energy would be in a .223 slug at 800m?

Sorry Guys,I just cant bring myself to vote for Hillary....I just cant accept that her d+ck is bigger than mine....and I didnt mean her husband either...No,I think I'll do a write in for Willie Nelson,this way it will confirm somethin we all suspected for years....The Senate,and Congress really ARE smokin dope.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 07:09:09 (ZULU)

That video has been around a while. IIRC, it was shot south of Baghdad in or near the britt zone. BTW, this was also back when the Italians were there too (heheh---that story is only funny cuz my bud lived to tell it). There was also a few other clips of the same AO, with a SAW position just above that roofline. The OHs were not originally in the tape, either. Edit? I guess that was obvious--the terrain was different in both scenes.

I kept running into guys i knew, doing that other line of work and making a shitload more money than I was at that. They usually bitched about the quality of the new guys they were getting as things expanded rapidly. A lot of really good guys went in under contract at first, and for six months or so, things generally worked tight between the uniformed and the non. But you couldn't get me to change places with them for 10x the cash. In retrospect, the "security" contracts did a helluva lot more harm than good. Not all contractors were as experienced as they claimed to be on the resume, and even a relative few of these dirtbags caused problems galore. Trigger happy? yeah, that about covers it. Morgue and i met one guy in particular---his own crew would avoid missions with him whenever they could. True psychopath. The iraqis didn't care if there was a difference between a contractor and a troop---all infidels musta looked alike. So any mistrust got painted with a broad stroke. That, and the security dudes had their objectives, and worked with the mil when it was good for their objectives. In all, it did get kinda messy. Not the way to win this sort of war. Gotta earn and keep some level of trust with the broader population...like anbar is going now. Remember when i mentioned "orient on populations" and not geography? |Hmmmm. Now we oughta formalize the "tribal militia" into national town cops. That is probably the easiest way to get ahead of the shitbags. The reason this isn't an obvious solution is it will not workie in Baghdad---where the tribe/ enclaves sorta mix together. Rival issues would make that problematic. But, just because our leaders see the baghdad problem daily---they may fail to see that this works in the other 90%. Hmmm.

I dunno about 800m 5.56mm energy---but hitting a man-sized target with a tight AR at that range is not hard. Figure a 20" barrel with 77gr BH match ammo and run a ballistic program on it.

Dude on the gun could see his own effects...scoped ARs with bipods and forend rails added on, on a "bench," don't jump much.

Travis: Mailbox baseball is a problem out here. Been thinking of getting an oversized box and casing my little box in concrete inside said big box, with the whole mess sitting on a 4" iron pipe, creted inside and in ground, with rebar joining the two. Neighbor and I have been in the design stage all week:((

Insomnia sux.

Joe M
Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 08:43:55 (ZULU)

"Insomnia sux."

Yep.

CDC'
Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 11:16:48 (ZULU)

Guys,

Have any of you wrung out a Sig 556? I got to fondle one the other day, and the trigger almost caused an ND below the beltline!Really smooth. The trigger breaks, but makes it easy to pull through the trigger.

I understand you can order one in .308, but they're not an off the shelf item. Thoughts? Opinions? Donations?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 11:31:35 (ZULU)

Travis,

Thanks for the info on the SIG 556. I've got one on order from RSR and my customer is really gettin' antsy. He'll be elated to hear about the trigger. Checked SIG's website and couldn't find anything on a .308 version. Probably a good thing because I recently came into a whole bunch of ammo! ;0)

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 13:53:29 (ZULU)

Click my name for the only political fundraiser you'll ever want to attend.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 14:35:33 (ZULU)

Guys that video has been around awhile. Its true and 800 meters is doable with 77s from 20" AR Platform. remember it was not opne round hits. He fired and adjusted as he went. That was a famous engagement.

Blackwater does some good work!

Undude/Mike

MikeMiller
Ca, - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 15:50:43 (ZULU)

JoeM,

re: mailboxes..... same as previous stories, but with a RR-tie buried 4-ft. in concrete, 3-ft. above ground. One morning we cleaned up debris from what appeared to have been a Ford truck. They must've swerved at the last moment. Never happened again.

Wasn't there a contractor, back in ~2004, that went to prison in Afghanistan for killing a civvie?

Duman
Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 16:06:43 (ZULU)

Undude/Mike,

Do you make a sling that would be suitable for an AR-15 carbine with a collapsible stock?

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 16:13:45 (ZULU)

Doc, I make a bunch of different slings for ARs. I just dont catalog them yet. Give me a call in two weeks and we can talk about your needs. 510-

919-

7286

I will be out of pocket until then. My Wife goes in for major surgery tomorrow and I wont be back until she is OK

Mike/Undude

MikeMIller
Ca, - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 16:38:58 (ZULU)

Undude/Mike,

Thanks & will do. Will also keep your wife in our prayers.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 17:03:40 (ZULU)

Travis, Well how bout that the Brady Sh*& Birds say they don't even need a License or Safety Traning. Huh. I didn't see they requirement in the Bill of Rights. It musta been an oversight on thier part, or believing in personal accountability.

Mike, I shall say A pray for a positive outcome..... Also regaurding good folks being hard to find. You got that right. Finding godd folks for that type of work is tough. Too many nut bars out there wanna go do crap just to fulfill thier ego. If I did something like that it would be for the money and to help our Country. Good new Police recruits are really tough to come by these days.

DirtySteve....

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 17:44:45 (ZULU)

Steve,

Good, old fashioned, no bullshit, common sense cops are hard to find, too. I think all of them got disgusted and quit! It seems like around here, you have to have an ego the sized of a Hyundai to get a badge. Occassionally, you can still find some guys that just want to help, but it's rare. Kansas Highway patrolmen are some of the most professional and polite officers I've ever met. (and that's coming from someone they've never let off with a warning!)

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 18:07:42 (ZULU)

For those interested in such things.

The Sig 556 in operation.

http://www.downrange.tv/player.htm?bcpid=452320104&bclid=824098518&bctid=459256140

Regards,

Joisey Steve

P.S.

Alas,Such weapons are illegal in the Peoples Republic of New Joisey!

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey Peoples Republic Of, US of A - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 18:36:09 (ZULU)

Mike,

I'll say a prayer for your wife. Hope all goes well. Keep us posted.

HDR
OK, - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 18:47:33 (ZULU)

Mike,

Hope all goes well tomorrow. Surgery is no fun, but it's good to have someone on the recovery end, waiting for you.

Duman
Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 20:39:00 (ZULU)

Mike,Mrs. Mike

Our thoughts and prayers for you and the family...If ya need anythin just ask.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 21:27:37 (ZULU)

Joe M.,

How about a 4-man, roadside ambush with pepperspray paintballs? I bet those little bastards will get the message. That, or throw a lit road flare in their car.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 01:31:57 (ZULU)

I got a flyer shortly after I moved to the sticks about the "Ultimate Mailbox, you'll never buy another". It was made from 1/4 inch diamond plate steel-might have been stainless, don't recall. I figured a PO box 2 miles away was cheaper than $375 up front.

JoeM- good to see you posting again. I've seen something similar to what you're talking about, but done with heavy plate. I'd think 1/8 plate should take care of most of the bats.

BTW, the energy level at 800 M was my concern. Never tried a box stock AR at that kinda distance so don't know the mechanical limits. Wind drift would be a bitch.

Best wishes for Mrs Undude, went through that 5 years ago.

WR Moore
Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 02:12:03 (ZULU)

Travis,

A friend of mine got a Sig 556 in a couple of weeks ago. I had to spread the cost over three credit cards but I got one. What a sweet piece of equipment. I put an Eotech on top of it and zeroed it for CQB type engagements. I shot it in an IDPA type carbine match and it was real easy to handle, no failures (if I could shoot better, I would have scored better).

It takes some getting used to because of the minor differences in ergonomics between it and an AR. Like no charging handle to rub your nose against. It has a 1 in 7 twist which should shoot the heavier bullets just fine. Zeroed at 25 yrds, it will shoot a one hole group with the Eotech.

The trigger is adjustable and had a long travel on it until I adjusted it but "smooth" is hardly the right word for it. I paid 14 and a half for it including a hard case and a really nice soft case with "SIGTACH" embroidered on it. I think it's called a "discrete case". Only one mag and no sights though. I would recommend it to the "serious" shooters in the crowd.

Indiansinger

Roger C. Carpenter
Vardaman, Mississippi, USA - Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 03:20:13 (ZULU)

Just read my latest copy of Shooting Times. They had an article on the T/C Icon. They mentioned George's (GAPrecision) involvment... Nothing but good things to say about the rifle.

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 03:28:26 (ZULU)

NativeAmericanVocalist,

So, what did you think of the trigger, overall? If I didn't already have half the guns in town on layaway, the 556 would be next.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 04:35:23 (ZULU)

UnDude: Let me clarify: There were some great guys out in Iraq on contract. There was some damned fine ops conducted by them and other like them. Most contractors worked with the larger army better than the air farce ever will. I mentioned the opposite side only because a few contractor orgs and a minority of contracted asshats had a disproportionate effect overall on the unity of effort---and the iraqi people's level of trust.

There was an outfit in Iraq---two westpointers founded it on their "ranger" background (school only IIRC)---they were under indictment last I followed the story. This involved some hired help at the airport in Baghdad early on. And yeah, the freelancer in A-stan, who invited himself to the party in the first place also got in a world of shiite. That is not all uncommon either. I have legit bud who travels in and out looking for work first hand. But this guy mentioned made his own work! Got caught too--the local authority was rather pissed.

Bravo: This guy in A-stan may have proved your point about trusting company men!

SIG? I need to see what this weapon is all about.

TC Icon: The corporate legal team must be having nightmares about that trigger design. Ha. I like it. Easy bugger to adjust! Good thing the bolt handle is easily interchangeable too--the stock one sucks ass. Overall, I would look at this T/C for a hunting rig instead of just buying another Sako. I'm a snob about hunting rifles. 1MOA (or worse) is NOT acceptable accuracy out of the box! Of course, it is hard to justify this snobbery to she who has checkbook.

RR rail may be easy to get...heheh. I wonder what it would do to a snowplow? My winter problem involves the county--though they are pretty good about fixing their mistakes!

Joe M
Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 05:26:41 (ZULU)

Is that TC Icon a fat bolt design.? I have not seen much about it yet.

Got to go order Cigars now. I'm down to 5 left.

DirtySteve....

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 06:10:29 (ZULU)

I played with a TC Icon at the GAP booth at SHOT last year. Nice looking rifle, smooth action and all that.

The thing that struck me right off the bat with the first lift of the bolt though, was how strange the short bolt throw felt. All I've ever used has been a Remington 700, and the Icon felt really weird. When I run the bolt I kind of extend my fingers straight and flip up the handle. With the short throw, it felt totally uncomfortable. It was almost like my wrist was in a bind half way up, and it was kind of hard to then grab the bolt handle to run it back.

I ran the bolt several times and I did finally start to get the feel for it.

It got me thinking though. If I got an Icon, is sure would take a lot of dry firing to get the feel of a Remington out of my system, like years. Also, in my opinion, I think I'd have a hard time switching back and forth from one kind of bolt throw to another. I have a hard enough time trying to drive one type of rifle correctly without introducing something that different into the equation.

As with everything that comes out of the GAP shop, it was a nice looking rifle though.

At the moment, I'm starting to get excited about an M14 that George should have finished pretty quickly.

Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 13:23:23 (ZULU)

Got to work the last few days as a gopher down at the place in Pearsall with Jim Reifinger. What a place! I've learned as much, if not more, in the last week, as the SAPD Academy has allegedly taught me in the last 20 about gunfighting. Not "qualification", or "marksmanship"(which they don't teach anyway)but GUNFIGHTING. The students were an outstanding mix of people, men and women. I won't say who they were with, but I never had as good a time when I was in that organization. It was definitely wet. Jetfins would have been as effective as the boots, but it was some real-world training for wet, sloppy, bloody and oily environments. Now, if I can just find some training in a five-star restaurant with Swedish masseusses and GlenFiddich dispensers.....rollover prone could take on a whole new meaning!

Anyway, had a great time, I actually told Jim that I was "all shot out" for the time being. Never thought I'd hear myself say that.

Bobby, youse guys been getting flooded? My (or rather, June's) cats are starting to morph into otters, we've been getting so much rain. I saw an armadillo yesterday that had floaties on. Reason I ask is that I'm still trying to get Dirty Steve to come back to shooting some real firearms. We'll see.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 15:10:41 (ZULU)

Travis,

The trigger on the 556 takes some getting used to but only in the travel, not the brake. The brake is almost scary it's so smooth. I figured out that it's best when you learn to feel the reset and start there instead of a full let out. Kinda like shooting a Glock. Very fast and effective once you master the reset point.

It's my understanding that it takes a dealer six months at present to get the Sig 556 and they have to buy 6 handguns to go with it. There's a lot of chatter here in the cotton patch about the rifle but mostly amoungst the serious shooters. Too pricey for the average folks but money well spent. It looks complicated from a field strip/cleaning standpoint but in reality, it's no more complicated than the AR's. The only difference is the gas piston system and that's simple once you've done it the first time. There isn't even a buffer spring noise in the stock to deal with.

Indiansinger

Roger C. Carpenter
Sweet Potato Capital, MS, USA - Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 15:47:37 (ZULU)

Chuck,

It was great having you on the team this week. Your input was on time and appriciated. I am enjoying my day off today. I am also a bit wore out after a great class. I go back and hit it again with the other group tomorrow and finish them Sunday.

If it stays a bit dry today for a bit, I think I will go out back and shoot that new PSE bow I just bought. October ain't that far off.

Maybe I should start building an arc :)

S/F

Finger

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 16:44:17 (ZULU)

Chuck, 1911's are real guns as well as that Savage 223. I do need to shoot my GA 308 and see if the Stealth is still in the safe and sighted in. I can not get a way untill I finnish the fence on the other pasture. I can not finish it till the rain stops on a weekend so I can rent some tools to make the job easier. Putting holes in rock aint easy. So as it stands God don't want me to go.

DirtySteve.

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 17:50:42 (ZULU)

Dirty Steve: The bolt handle in the promotional pics is a flat, spoon-like, beavertailish weird thing. I hated it on sight. On the other hand, they made it removeable...

On politics: Incredulous best describes my take on the current direction. From the second ammendment, Iran, trade, free markets, to the war in Iraq: There's a group of clowns who are trying very hard to drive the US into the dirt. My only question is which enemy has bought these wads off???

On leadership: If I hear the phrase "the will of the american people" one more time, I'll twist a gut. The people once thought our current prez was worthy of the historic highest-ever approval rating, only to then give him the second lowest rating afew years later. Fickle emotions is no way to run a country, and yet the polls seem to be the moral compass of many elected "so-called leaders." That is pure crap. A leader "sells" the difficult choice in the interests of the long term. History will judge...not opinion polls. WTF??? Logically, either we have placed complete dumbasses in positions of power, or these same dumbasses have an agenda to destroy the founder's vision. I do not think these pols are all that dumb, so...

History. I've read many essays on how Bush will be viewed down the road. Ok, "history" is established thru events that follow---events we cannot fathom yet. Take Truman: He was reviled for his handling of Korea, MacArthur, stubborness, etc. But, once Reagan took Truman's path to conclusion, "history" on Truman's true place could be analyzed. |That was 40 years after the fact, eh? Imagine this: Clintoonette gets elected and unilaterally withdraws from Iraq. Iran seizes the southern oilfields and puts Kuwait and saudi under a mighty big gun. Hugo is already in their pocket. Musharef is left on his own, and the emboldened jihadists set their sights. AlQ leads the topple (remember, it is the motivated 10% that always charts the course of history---90% are merely along for the ride)--and presto, nukes on hand. Pick a US city, and vaporize most of it. Thru that lens, Bush will look awfully smart, eh?

Economy under the dem's leadership: Iran declares an embargo and OPEC falls in line out of fear. We proved Bin laden's 94 declaration of "glass-jawed and morally bankrupt" true, and Iran emerges with a fantastic strategic position in the middle east. We will have pulled out, and the will to reinforce Kuwait is nonexistant, at least until it is too frikken late. No oil imports, and the US house of cards economy crashes, bringing the western world down with it. China will feel this pinch first, which is the only good news I see from our current headlong rush to oblivion. To make all this worse, nationalized health care has a real chance to pour gas on the fire into the above scenario---let alone the social implications of losing personal freedoms wholesale. Some people honestly think that greed motivates OPEC? Put an ideology like Iran firmly in charge, and watch the fun!

In a way, i hope we go the predicted direction: elect Dems across the board, and run away fast from the GWOT. I won't miss any of the likely targets, I won't mourn those who bring shit upon themselves, and thru chaos comes the fixes we so desparately need. The US will survive...in the long run. It's that 10% thing again...

Hell, it is a dark scenario...almost to the point of paranoia...but watching it unfold from both sides of the ocean, it looks plausible as hell to me.

OK, that's out of my system...

What is the best personal defense bullet above 200grs for 4" 1911s?

(Oooops, I asked for an absolute---here comes a pie fight)

Joe M
Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 20:47:24 (ZULU)

Joe M.,

Guess I may as well jump in and display my ignorance. IMHO as long as it feeds, is accurate, and doesn't overpenetrate, it's great. It took my new Kimber three trips back to the factory before it would feed even hardball! It now feeds anything I give it. It currently is full of Winchester SXT. I have an old Colt Commander that only works with hardball so I keep a round of Winnie SXT in the chamber and eight rounds of FMJ in the magazine. I only carry it here on the farm so overpenetration isn't a concern. If I remember correctly the FBI used to have Federal Hydra-Shok in their .40's. Any Federal ammo I have ever used worked just fine. YMMV. Don't know how well hollow points perform against the heavy winter clothing up in your AO.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 21:46:15 (ZULU)

Well Joe, the absolute best one is the one that's in the gun when the fight starts, mine has 230 Hydroshocks. So that has to be the best one, absolutely. Dontcha just love a smartass?

Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 21:50:16 (ZULU)

JoeM,

The retired FBI guy in town, who teaches CCW, carries Hydra-Shock, 230-gr..

Duman
Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 22:02:25 (ZULU)

Joe:

You asked:

What is the best personal defense bullet above 200grs for 4" 1911s?

(1) You didn't specify, but we'll make the assumption that you are asking about 1911 chambered in .45 ACP since you are asking about "heavy" projectiles.

(2) Common barrel lengths for 1911's chambered in .45 ACP are 5", 4.285 and 3.5 inch. We'll also assume you actually are asking about the 4.285" barrel variant. (Unless you has something like the Kimber Compact w/4.0" brl in mind).

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 22:05:25 (ZULU)

Rod: Only "gamers" buy 1911s in any other flavor than 45 ACP;))

I've always bought the hydroshoks too. For years and years. I was just making sure nothing new snuck in that is thought "betterer."

Tony: Ha! That's a fact! There's always a second to assess effects on the mag-change, eh? 8-13 rounds of ball seems like would meet a minimum standard;))

Doc: Winter clothing or not, it is still a .45 caliber slug!!! Won't shrink any...

Joe M
Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 22:24:10 (ZULU)

Joe M.,

A .45 hole beats a 9mm any day. I was just wondering about the fact that some hollow points fail to expand when they are plugged with heavy coat material.

Hawgs,

A buddy of mine in SW Missouri has recently moved to a nice sub-division where guns are verboten. The armadillos are driving him crazy because they keep rooting up his landscaping. Since silencers/suppressors are no-no's here he asked me about air rifles. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I still haven't ruled out .22 CB caps!

Thanks & Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 23:45:47 (ZULU)

Joe:

I kind of suspected where you were coming from, just wanted to be precise. Most of my range time (I'm in Canada, eh!) is spent around gamers (IPSC). Lots of 1911's, very few in .45 ACP.

.38 Super is the game cartridge for the Open division (compensated pistols), .40 S&W or 9mmx19 is the cartridge for Standard or Production. Seldom see .45 ACP around here. But of course you knew most of that already :-)

John Farnam is using and recommending the Cor-Bon DPX line, one of the more recent innovations in handgun projectiles. Pricy as heck, although not to the point of stuff like Glasers or Magsafe.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=203800

"The one round that expanded consistently and completely, despite the leather and denim barrier, in all calibers, was Cor-Bon's DPX! DPX, in 40S &W, 45ACP, 357SIG, 38Super, and 45AutoRim, were all unimpressed by the leather and denim. Even 380Auto DPX, out of my little Kel-Tec, was immune. It expanded symmetrically and completely, penetrating nine inches of gelatin, after penetrating the clothing."

Google " DPX Farnam" for more details

Strictly speaking it is not a heavy projectile, but since it is made of tougher but lower-density material than lead and guilding metal, a slightly lighter weight is "just right". (160gr).

Mfgr # DPX45160/20 - $30/bx of 20 is fairly typical pricing.

Midway and DakotaAmmo carry it, among others.

Would be my choice if I could acquire and afford it.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, July 27, 2007, at 00:53:45 (ZULU)

45ACP Ammo...

Back when I bought my 1911...3yrs ago tops...The guy at the counter of the pistol range is a retired LEO...I asked him about a good personal defense round...He turned me onto Win Supreme T series 230gr...He claims it is the same bullet as "Black Talons" only minus the black coating...I tried to research the Black Talon and from the pics I found the Win T does appear very similar to the BT. I ran a couple boxes of Win T's thru mine and found the grouping to open up a little more then 230gr ball ammo....

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Friday, July 27, 2007, at 01:56:22 (ZULU)

Rod: Is the "DPX" the truncated-shaped thing with the rubber bumper under the jascket at the nose? I considered those (as described) for carry on my last (last) tour overseas...kinda stealth JHP for outward appearances. I built a M4 instead. But it would be worthy of a bit o' testing.

I remember the winny talon "scandal." The antis were feeling their oats with the clintonistas in charge, and the press whipped up a scare campaign...I mean, shit: I'd rather be shot with one talon at room distance than a 12ga 4 shot...but that design died due to the ad campaign, the color of the projectile, and the feeding frenzy of folks who wouldn't know a talon from a fuzed arty round. Oh, guess what: Those illogical days of anti-gun propaganda and scare tactics are right around the corner. They forgot the Newt revolution wasn't about gays in the military---it was about a liberal agenda that looked good on paper but tasted like shit when shoved down your throat. The gun ban mobilized the "leave me alone" crowd into action.

Thought for the day:

On society and the individual, the worth of any one person can be assessed by need: If society needs you more than you need society, congratulations--your kind built this nation and carried mankind forward on your backs. If you need society more than it needs you, well, welcome to the majority.

Farnam has come up in conversation more than few times lately. I was wondering if he is the same JF I knew years ago (army), and met again in 03-04 when he was with Titan Group in Iraq...

When I googled him ealier this week---I got some sexually ambiguous britt folk singer with a zillion fan pages. I got sick of trying to eliminate search words---lyrics, songs, CDs, stage, ballad, music, singer...I finally said the hell with it.

I had Bravo email me the link! Good reading, BTW.

Joe M
Friday, July 27, 2007, at 05:15:28 (ZULU)

Dirty Steve,

"Got to go order Cigars now. I'm down to 5 left."

Good man. Glad there's at least one other cigar smoker around here besides me.

Good cigar you should try is the Monte Cristo Afrique line. I think it's proprietary to JR Cigars. Reasonably priced and a damn fine smoke. I think they only sell 'em by the box so if you wanna try a couple email me a snail mail address and I'll send you a few to try.

Take care,

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Friday, July 27, 2007, at 05:49:06 (ZULU)

Seegars: Flor de Oliva . Real good and cheap-cheap.

Joe M: Good pol/mil analysis.

CDC'
Friday, July 27, 2007, at 06:16:03 (ZULU)

Cigar Country..

I smoke the following on a regular basis:

Juan Lopez Epicure #1 $68.00 per box Rated a 91 from Cigar Aficionado. I really like these, they are a great buy.

Partagas Black Label, Partagas Spanish Rosado and Romeo Y Julieta Reserve (Real Nice smoke. These are what I carry most or the Juan Lopez cigars.) I like full bodied smokes. Gispert Maduros are supposed to be a good smoke too. Cigar Insider ratings as high as 90. They are under $50 a box. I have only smoked one and it was decent. I don't recommend anything I have not smoked several of out of diffrent boxes.

I order from Famous Smoke Shop. Great prices on most cigars. Free shipping over $99 bucks.

I will give others mentioned a try. I need to hit the local shop any way for a few to tide me over.

Oh JC, I don't smoke on a regular basis. Just while working or when relaxing on my day off, or mowing on the tractor.

JoeM, "Only "gamers" buy 1911s in any other flavor than 45 ACP;))" Not true. You only need a couple 45's. Then You need a couple 38 Stupis, a 40 and a 9mm. Hum seem to be what I have laying around in the safe. The 9mm's are real sweet.

Try Zaba search, for finding folks.

45 Self Defense ammo. Speer Gold Dots and Wichester Supreme ammo. Good stuff.

Dirty Steve........

Dirty Steve
Texas, USA - Friday, July 27, 2007, at 07:11:22 (ZULU)

DPX- Dunno what the letters stand for, but Cor-Bon is loading the Barnes XPB all copper bullet in the round. I called Barnes and their suggested load data for the 115 gr is 4.7-5.2 gr of Longshot. The LOAL is at home. IIRC, the max loading is pretty much same/same as the velocity quoted by Cor-Bon.

The Federal rubber rounds sound interesting if you live in NJ, Germany or somewhere else where hollowpoints are verboten. Methinks they violate the spirit, if not the letter, of the Hague Accords.

WR Moore
Friday, July 27, 2007, at 08:28:14 (ZULU)

Joe:

WR Moore's description of the DPX is fine.

You're thinking of the PowerBall, which looks like a FMJ but will deform. John Farnam says that the DPX is much betterer :-)

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, July 27, 2007, at 10:49:11 (ZULU)

re: John Farnam

http://www.defense-training.com/

John's resume:

http://www.defense-training.com/johnres.html

"After graduating from Cornell College with a BA in Biology, I entered the US Marine Corps Officer Candidate Program. After being commissioned a Second Lieutenant, I was sent to Vietnam as an infantry platoon leader. For the next fifty-one days, I was involved in heavy fighting and was awarded three Purple Hearts. I served the remainder of my active duty time in the United States, training Marines. I remained in the Reserves and went on active duty several times per year until I retired in 1987. My branch is still infantry, and my rank at retirement was major."

There's more.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, July 27, 2007, at 10:54:11 (ZULU)

I've been searching a bunch of other shooting websites this past week, looking for some stuff...

... I can't tell you what a breath of fresh air this moldy ol' bar is.

Off to shoot today.

Then back to "you know what"!!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, July 27, 2007, at 11:34:11 (ZULU)

americansnipers.org

Hey guys-- just popping in for a reminder and update on the raffle for americansnipers.org. The "package" is still growing...... have added ammo from CorBon, and a light rail / X200 adapter from Dawson Precision. Tickets at http://www.pistolraffle.com, a discussion of the project is at http://www.louderthanwords.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4681

Ned Christiansen
3R, MI, USA - Friday, July 27, 2007, at 14:02:47 (ZULU)

Morning guys, have a question to folks who live in my neck of the woods. I need to bead blast my mil spec 1911 frame and I am looking to see if anyone knows of a place.

Darren

Darren
East Bay, San Francisco, CA - Friday, July 27, 2007, at 16:06:04 (ZULU)

Hi Doc,

Airgun country: Have your buddy look into one of the 1,000 fps air rifles by Beeman, RWS, or Gamo. I have personal experience with the first two and they should take care of the problem with no trouble. I still have an 850 fps Beeman in .177 cal and it has taken out many rats and soft-skinned type pests. Never tried an armadillo, though, but the pointed pellets should penetrate the skull OK. I don't know how they will do on the body with it's built-in armour. He may want to investigate going to the .22 cal for a bit more delivered energy, more uncomon pellet supply though. Of course, he could just buy 10,000 or so, (after testing to see what he and the rifle like) as the shelf life of a pellet approaches infinity. If he goes with the airgun, please keep us up on the effects on the 'dillos. Inquiring minds want to know!

Good hunting,

Erik

Erik in Kodiak
Friday, July 27, 2007, at 18:18:52 (ZULU)

Well one of our guys was shot last night. Surprisingly he was a former firearms instructor for us. To bad he wasn't a little more "tactically aware" during the situation.

Air Guns-RWS.............

DirtySteve...........

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Friday, July 27, 2007, at 18:42:43 (ZULU)

Doc,

I've found my RWS 34 (1000 fps .177 cal. pellet gun) to be rather loud. I've taken to using either a short barreled .22 rifle with 'super calibri' rounds (click my name for link) or my Benjamin .177 pump airgun (somewhat quiet) for the local tree rat population.

The other thing is those damn 'springer' 1000 fps airguns require very, very, very good form (NPA) and perfect follow through to group at over 50 yards. They make any other rifle seem like child's play... talk about unforgiving.

medicjim
Friday, July 27, 2007, at 19:25:32 (ZULU)

Oh, Our guy was hit in the chest and leg. He will be ok......

DirtySteve.........

DirtySteve
Friday, July 27, 2007, at 19:48:04 (ZULU)

Dirty Steve,

Glad to hear he will pull through.

medicjim
Friday, July 27, 2007, at 19:53:21 (ZULU)

I just read a bit o' Kos (daily). i got a kick out of the bit on how "neocons disrespect the troops" more than the (moonbats at DK)." Oh gawd, the shit they believe about our soldiers! Hilarious. I wanted to mention that their statements seem to contradict the point they were trying to make, but didn't want to blow my cover just yet:))

Which leads to the thought of the day:

"You are never as smart as you think you are."

Logically, if you are truly intelligent, you understand the limitations of your knowledge and strive to "learn." Conversely, if you feel you are smart, you are ignorant to those limitations---and stuck with them.

Para P13 works best with a 20 pound spring. The early malfs disappeared, and the thing "feels" great. Unsupported groups tightened up...but the variables involved preclude praising the spring rate change: I have "better glasses", I reduced my snuff usage by 75% enroute to walking away from it, and I am doing a bit more PT...any of which could cause me to shoot better.

Joe M
Friday, July 27, 2007, at 20:27:50 (ZULU)

Joe:

You mean like Dirty Harry's line:

"Man's got to know his limitations"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_Force

co-written by John Milius!

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0587518/

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, July 27, 2007, at 22:54:15 (ZULU)

DirtySteve:

Any new or bearing repetition "lessons learned"?

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, July 27, 2007, at 22:55:46 (ZULU)

Glad to see all is pretty much the same here.

Back from Montana. The varmint shooting was great, as usual. Six weeks was not enough though. Added to the normal compliment of varmint calibers the past few summers, the Hornady 17Mach2 is a real winner for ground squirrels and dogs out to about 100yds. Have a few rifles for it and a 1911 Kimber pistol that is just too much fun!!!!!

REMINGTON ACTIONS are not available And I was told by a guy at Remington today they would not be shipping any until they were caught up on their rifle orders; maybe a year.... Tried to get one from Midway today and was told they were "discontinued" and they referred me to Remington....

1911 coutry....Hydrashocks run in all my guns, even the Commanders....

outa here

markwell
the Alleghenies, WV, - Saturday, July 28, 2007, at 01:31:15 (ZULU)

Markwell,

There's one for sale at the Bullet Stop here in Wichita. (316)945-3331.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Saturday, July 28, 2007, at 04:15:48 (ZULU)

Rod, Lessons learned. Don't cancel cover on a "Man with a Gun call". That being said I am ussually expecting a weapon when it is not mentioned. Reason? Because folks think we will get there faster if they say he has a gun. Leason 2) 44 mags hurt. I didn't learn this but Rick sure did. He got one in the vest, one between the side pannels of his vest(into the chest cavity) and one in the leg. OOOOUUUch!

Me I make sure everyone I contact knows I am in charge and will be more than happy to punch there ticket. Twice this year that alone has helped me. Once a guy was wanting to stab me butI wouild not let him grab the knife. Every time his hand dropped to the floor of his car my gun exited it's resting place. Then when he dropped his hand again and noticed my gun pointing at him again the hand came up gun back in the holster. I said I don't know whats down there but it aint gunna do you any damn good. He just smiled. Ha. The other time was two days ago. A guy with 4 oz of coke really didn't want to go to the can. Put his hand near his gun, he noticed mine was watching him. Hand came away. I holstered and asked him to kindly get out. He then steps out and put his hand in his back pocket. I didn't ask fer anything so I i grabbed a couple fingers and advised him fingers get broke by touching things when not told to do so. He had a large folding knife in the pocket beside his wallet. No one is my friend out there! Everyone wants to hurt me!

Markwell, just get a Surgeon action or that GA7000 action. They are more betterer. Or try Brownells........

DirtySteve......

dirtysteve
Saturday, July 28, 2007, at 04:43:24 (ZULU)

Oh, later I will tell you of the traffic stop I made eariler this month on two Armed Robbery suspects. I crack myself up some times when I work. I will post it tomrrow when I have some time.

DirtySteve.....

DirtySteve
Saturday, July 28, 2007, at 04:47:04 (ZULU)

Dirty Steve, Charles S Hunt: Do you gentlemen ever do any feral pig hunting? I was thinking of going to the hill country and giving it a try.

.45 ACP ammo: There have been a bunch of amatuer(ish) studies of handgun stopping power but none I know of that were done by anyone who understood how to do observational research. Given that, at one point center mass 230 Gr Hydroshock wounds were supposed to have incapacitated the subject 22 times in 22 attempts. I seem to remember having reason to accept that number, but don't remember why.

I switched to Hydroshocks.

That was a while back so data since gathered may invalidate my conclusion.

TIFWIW.

CDC'
Saturday, July 28, 2007, at 13:11:50 (ZULU)

CDC Sir,

You may want to take a look at this sight for some ammo studies/info.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/tactical.htm

Stay safe

Calvin

Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Saturday, July 28, 2007, at 15:21:39 (ZULU)

CDC: I haven't done ANY hunting in a long, long time. Before I moved to Tejas, I did. But, here, if you can find a place to hunt, the landowner wants a quart of blood, your firstborn child, and money by the bucket to allow you to kill an animal that doesn't belong to them in the first place. There are a few public lands to hunt, but it's like hunting in your closet it's so crowded. I had one friend who lived over by Hondo that let me hunt his property, but he got divorced and lost the property. Rather than pay several thousand dollars for the opportunity to MAYBE get a deer or pig, I will spend that at the local grocery store and have a one hundred percent chance of getting some meat. All that being said, if you can find a place, well LMK. If you want to go hunt it, then come over to Casa Carlos and round out the day by charring said pig and chasing it with a touch of the Balvenie, I'm yer huckleberry.

Speaking of whiskey, that reminded me of cigars, which reminded me of Finger. He told me a story about "smoking a Cuban" that was a howler. You ever see him, make him tell you. I wouldn't do it justice, and it ain't my place to tell it. Funny stuff.

Folks that way been getting Serpa holsters. After working with them for a week, I was so impressed I went out and got one for my own self for the Glock. That thing is slicker'n hammered owl snot. I'm not normally one for "security holsters", as most of them aren't, and I've watched too many people get tied up in a hairball trying to get their gun out under stress, but this thing is cool. Puts yer trigger finger right where it should be for the draw, and the G-lock comes out slicker'n a squid turd.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Saturday, July 28, 2007, at 15:22:54 (ZULU)

Wife is in hospital a few more days but doing great. She was full of non cancer tumors (ten total) in female regions.

On pistol ammo, saw one fo the factory test about fifteen years ago where they where supposed to show how mucn better the "Gold Dots" where to everything else.

From my perspective best was Winchester Black Talon and second was close by Hydra Shok. Been carrying Hydro Shock for several decades. Not likely to switch soon.

Undude/Mike

MikeMiller
Ca, - Saturday, July 28, 2007, at 16:32:30 (ZULU)

Great news about your wife Mike, get out soon.

Got the package in the mail too. I'll have my machinest guy check out those bullets and see what we can do. The project we're working on is made out of Naval Bronze. The bullets you sent don't look like that. Would you be able to talk to whomever it was that gave them to you to find out what it is they're made out of?

Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Saturday, July 28, 2007, at 18:07:14 (ZULU)

Charles: If you ever find yourself near Chicago or Minnie/ St Paul, you will have a "place" to hunt for a mere quart of beer...just drop me a line.

Serpa holster: These really got popular in the spring of 2006 with the well-funded crowd. In other words--with guys who actually "need" a good holster for daily work:))

What I liked about them was the total modularity--it could go from the belt, to drop leg, to a chest mount on the molle vest, all the while giving the same security and rapid draw. The 6004 WAS the slickest, but that little stirrup on spring locks would clog with sand in short order. And, the 6004 wasn't modular...

Dirt Steve: Well? What happened on the traffic stop?

Joe M
Saturday, July 28, 2007, at 18:28:35 (ZULU)

Gentelmen;

.45 Ammo country: 230 grain Remington Gold sabers ride in my 1911 and have for years. I carried Hydrashocks for years in my Glock .40, but issue is now Speer Gold Dot. I had no compliants from either. I don't know a thing about the DPX brand, but heavy winter clothing is always a concern for expansion for hollow point pistol cartridges.

Cigars: Rancho Dominicanos from Thompson & Co. Good smoke for the price.

Pat II
Saturday, July 28, 2007, at 20:56:38 (ZULU)

Remington action was not for me but for Fall ASC prize rifle that Jared Joplin is going to build... My next rifle will be on a Surgeon action when I manage to save the $sssssss...Gotta quit buying/building varmint guns(and travelling West to shoot them), N frame Smiths, and Kit Guns!!!! They're all weaknesses. Thank goodness I've got enough 1911s or I'd really be broke. Am sitting on one 223 boltface face action. No immediate project in mind but something will come up I'm sure..

CDC....I think the Hydrashock deal(22 for 22) was a local LE stat.. Maybe L.A. or some other big metro area as I seem to recall the same info but not the specific numbers...I came into a large bunch of Hydrashocks(cases) at the right price during a training gig quite a while back and see no reason to switch to some other ammo. All my guns run with the Federal and I figure if you hit 'em in the center it shouldn't matter a whole lot what it's with.

outa here

markwell
the Alleghenies, WV, - Saturday, July 28, 2007, at 22:39:33 (ZULU)

CDC, I don't hunt any more. I will occasionally shoot a deer (Ok I shot two in 13yrs here) but it aint hunting. Here it is done over a feeder or near one. For pigs that's ok but it aint hunting. You need a large place to hunt pigs around here they don't hang in one place for a long time. They come through my place every couple weeks. But if it doesn't rain for a while and the water dries up then they may not come around till winter or till it has a good rain. The big game ranches fence thier land to keep them in and make sure they have water all year around and plant feed plots and such.

Mike, Great news.........

JoeM, Ok here goes. Two turds are out on a crime spree and rob some lady. We do the normal cop stuff and set up a quadrant looking for the guys. I am a good ways off so I just do my own thing. After about 20 mins the Officer handling the call puts out the description one more time but adds a few details about the Suspect vehicle. No sooner does he say It a gold POS with one black rim and the others are chrome. I am sitting at a light thinking huh the vehicle over yonder with the expired registration has one black rim and two turds in it. It goes past and I see the front LP and the back are not the same. Luckily the back one does match what the other officer put out. Well not really luckily I knew it was them, cause they would not even glance at me. I conduct a normal everyday traffic stop. I approach the vheicle with my gun in hand and walk up to the driver's side stopping just be hind the door frame and say, (Gun pointing at said turds head) "Hello I'm officer Dickerson SanAntonio Police I need to see your Drivers license and Insurance Please." Turd don't even glance at me just leans forward and pulls out his wallet. Gets his DL then looks my way as he is attempting to hand it to me. Turd see's the gun for the first time and his eyes get big as a dinner plate. I say, "You know let's just skip this part and get to me arresting you" I opened the door and yank turd out telling the other guy I wouldn't even sneeze right now. Your next. Another office showed up cuffed the other turd. Gun was on the floor bad guy goes to jail. He was Identified by the witnesses.

I just thought the whole thing was funny. Me acting like I was gunna write him a ticket and him not noticing the gun at his head. Even though just minutes before he was pointing a gun at someone. He lacked situational awareness. I did the same thing to a guy in a stolen car but he noticed the gun. Not sure if this was a "you had to be there story" or not. I just like having fun when I work.

Ammo.... FBI, FWTW, did some testing about 10 yrs ago on all lines of Priemuim ammo all did well. Speer Gold dots did about the same as Hydroshocks. There was not much difference between the best and the worst. One thing that did stand out was when going thrugh heavy clothing the matierial cut by the bullet filled in the hollow points and most acted like ball ammo. 45 ball beats 9mm ball, but I belive two 9mm's equal one 45 ball. So I will just shoot more times.

I am supposed to carry a 40 Glock off duty (Department Policy) but I carry whatever happens to be laying around at the time. Sometimes a Single Action 45.

Dirty Steve....

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Sunday, July 29, 2007, at 01:56:19 (ZULU)

Joe M......I don't have to hunt for a quart of beer, got two in the 'fridge right now. But, given the chance, I'll come up anyway. The way things have been going, it might be a while.

I hate post hole diggers. If I have a choice of going to Hell, or digging fence post holes in Heaven, it's gonna be a squeaker. But, the damned fence is finally in. Nothing like digging fence post holes in 90-degree weather with 90% humidity. Neighbor comes over and is having a friendly conversation with me while I dig. After about six hole go in (rocky soil is a complete understatement) he offers up the little tidbit that he has an auger. Grrrrr.....it's probably gonna keep the deer from feeding through like they've been doing, but I can still hit them in the neighbor's yard from here. It'd serve him right for watching me dig post holes for an hour.

Boudica just called, said we "need to talk". I think I feel the wind of the other shoe heading for the floor. But, I've kinda gotten to like not having to ask anyone if it's a good time to go to Badlands, or if I can work a week away from home. And the 30MM ammo cans make good furniture.....

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Sunday, July 29, 2007, at 02:15:16 (ZULU)

Pig hunts, reasonably priced: www.solanaranch.com Feel free to donate to my hunt fund!

Chuck,

Ever notice how "We need to talk" can sound an awful lot like "you need to listen"?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, July 29, 2007, at 02:30:06 (ZULU)

Mike,

Good to hear about your wife. I can only imagine what kind of stress the two of you must have been going through before you knew that it was not cancer.

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Sunday, July 29, 2007, at 04:09:58 (ZULU)

The wife picked up a video for me last night. "Combat Diary, The Marines of Lima Company" about their tour in Iraq in 2005. LOTS of video they took themselves. I thought it was very good. You'll laugh, but have your crying rag handy too. Two thumbs up!

Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Sunday, July 29, 2007, at 14:51:35 (ZULU)

Ref: Oshkosh

I just got back last night.

It's a huge event, too big to describe.

All went well until Friday(Lost a good man and two P-51 Mustangs).

out

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad)
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Sunday, July 29, 2007, at 15:04:31 (ZULU)

Kevin: You sorta failed to mention that you'd be in my neighborhood!

Joe M
Sunday, July 29, 2007, at 17:26:51 (ZULU)

Joe,

My bad.....

Next time.

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad)
Clifton Sprnigs, New York, US of A - Sunday, July 29, 2007, at 19:28:46 (ZULU)

Testing...

Marius
Sunday, July 29, 2007, at 22:20:01 (ZULU)

Mike,

Great news!

Erik, medicjim, and Dirty Steve,

Thanks for the airgun info. Think I'll go with RWS as all of you mentioned it.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The cloudy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Sunday, July 29, 2007, at 23:27:38 (ZULU)

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q3/070723a_nr.html

ST. LOUIS, July 23, 2007 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] has been awarded a U.S. Army contract valued at approximately $7 million to begin developing the initial phase for a truck-mounted laser weapon system that destroys rockets, artillery shells and mortar rounds.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, July 29, 2007, at 23:37:12 (ZULU)

Doc, A good RWS wil put a hole in a car tire if its on the rim. My brother had an inconsiderate neighbor once. The guys manners about reving up his hot rod at 0600 every morning changed. He began idling down the srteet.

Kevin, Sorry to hear about the plane crash. Atleast one was able to walk a way.

Chuck, "I hate post hole diggers." You need to hire the post hole digger that lives on the ranch near here. $35 BUCKS A DAY...

I read about the Icon. It is a fat bolt design. This makes for easier manufacturing. All in all the gun looks like an up dated Voere Titan. Or as they brought into this country, a Kliengunther K-15 or later the Mauser Model 99. My Voere shoots like a house of fire. Well I last shot it about 4 years ago to shoot a deer on my place. It shot great then. The main difrence is the flat bottom reciever and the R5 barrel. It also has the angled left side. But looks like the same basic action.Three lugs and same ejector/extractor set up.

DirtySteve.......

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Monday, July 30, 2007, at 03:27:02 (ZULU)

Hello everyone!

Long time since I've posted. Same shady charachtars on the board though!

Good to see you all and will be in touch again shortly.

Jefe
Monday, July 30, 2007, at 05:17:22 (ZULU)

Jefe, Andy's Dad: Good to see you back.

CDC'
Monday, July 30, 2007, at 06:22:35 (ZULU)

I was in the local gunshop today and happened to notice a Tikka Stainless Varmint rifle in .223 on the shelf. Wow does that thing have a slick action. I noticed right off that it has some features over a stock rem 700... for example, a sturdy connection between bolt handle and bolt, not silver solder. The integrated DM and bolt release are nice too.

I'm curious what possible bad sides this rifle might have. The stock is obviously one... but I've seen T3s riding in aftermarket stocks. Does McMillan sell one for the tikka? What about rebarrels....the stock barrel is a nice hammer forged stainless at approx 24" in 1:8 twist... can the better smiths mount aftermarket barrels to these or are they 'pressed' in ??

medicjim
Monday, July 30, 2007, at 20:31:46 (ZULU)

Chuck,

That story is one of those where you almost had to be there, but here goes.

I was talking to some folks while we were all in a van going to lunch. My old CO (3rd Force) from Vietnam and a few others. He looks at me and says, "Finger, when was the last time you smoked a Cuban?" I was kinda stuck on how to answer and wasn't sure why he was asking me this in public. He was looking at me waiting for an answer. Then it struck me.... "Oh cigars" I blurt out. Folks were rolling all over the van.

S/F

Finger

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Monday, July 30, 2007, at 21:57:25 (ZULU)

Finger: That's a first: I really did spit coffee on the keyboard!!!! On the fourth, one bro-n-law busted his last Marlboro, and the liberal bro-n-law asked "will ya smoke a camel?" I chimed in across the lawn "No, but I'll smoke the jockey in a heartbeat!" My friends father---a Nam vet from the 173rd---was the only one who laughed outta forty or so people.

Got my VA letter today. Seems I am a broke-dick old coot, or 2/3rds of a brokedick. I wonder which third is still worthwhile??? Certainly not the headspace...

MedicJim: The tikka barrel is off the same production line as my sako (no kidding--they go both ways). My sako is threaded. It is also original equipment, as the barrel is sweeeeet as-is. I'd mess with the ergonomics (but first take a look at the tactical model)--but I wouldn't mess with the barrel, especially one that spins the "heavies." Those hammered barrels are about the only reason I pay so much for hunting sticks. I get consistant subMOA performance without the 'smith bill.

Jefe: Welcome home. IIRC, you were all over the archives back a half-dozen years ago when I stumbled into this bar!

Venison BBQ is in the slowcooker...and it smells done. Yum...see ya!

Joe M
Monday, July 30, 2007, at 23:35:15 (ZULU)

Finger,

That was great! Even for an old Navy airdale such as me. Thank goodness I had just swallowed my last bit of gin & tonic or I would have sprayed everything!

Joe M.,

That ranks right up there with Finger. Think I'll finish my next drink before I read any more posts!

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The cloudy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 00:00:50 (ZULU)

Seems like sprayin the monitor and/or keyboard is becomin a tradition around here....

Tikka's....T3 arent as well made as the 595.T3 still a good shooter.

Undude/Mike,Glad to hear Mrs. doin great

UnPat

Unpat
Wi, USA - Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 05:49:16 (ZULU)

Guys,

A friend foisted a Dillon square deal press off on me, and I can't seem to figure out why the "failsafe" bar doesn't return to the "up" position. The powder thrower is empty, so it can't be powder hanging up in there.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 06:12:18 (ZULU)

New fleabay policy. Fuck THEM!

Hello everyone…In mid-August, we will be updating our Firearms, Weapons and Knives Policy to place more restrictions around gun-related items. Once these changes take effect, we will prohibit listings of any firearm part that is required for the firing of a gun. This includes items like bullet tips, brass casings and shells, barrels, slides, cylinders, magazines, firing pins, trigger assemblies, etc. Please read the Firearms, Weapons and Knives Policy for more details on our current policy. . .

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 06:29:10 (ZULU)

Travis, Not sure what the problem could be but when you seat the primer the powder bar should return to the proper position.

I hope this helps....

They finally caught the guy that shot one of our guys the other night. Dumbshite returned home.

Jefe, Welcome back...

DirtySteve...........

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 06:40:58 (ZULU)

>>If I have a choice of going to Hell, or digging fence post holes in Heaven, it's gonna be a squeaker. <<

OK, really, that should have been a spew alert for those of us who have spent amounts of time on the wrong end of one of those bastards. I almost soiled my keyboard. I`m jus sayin.....

Steve Racer
somewhere in Dillsburg, PA, - Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 07:08:40 (ZULU)

Finger:

I understood your story just fine. Wonderful!

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 09:25:04 (ZULU)

Guys,

Figured out the problem with the press. Operator error! It only goes up when there's a case in it!

Once I had that figured out, it started eating primers and spewing them everywhere. Cleared that, checked it out, looked GTG. THEN, I promptly broke the damn primer punch! How the FUCK I broke that, I don't know. I'm starting to understand why you old guys spend so much time devoted to scotch (yuck!) and cigars.

Also, there's some kinda yellow shit in there. Kinda powdery, sorta looks like pollen. I probably just discovered some strain of anthrax that causes you to shit out your liver or something.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 09:33:02 (ZULU)

Travis,

You might need to call Dillon. Try (800) 762-3845. They stand behind their products.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 13:40:27 (ZULU)

Broke-Dick Country

Joe M,

Don't feel bad. I am 80% Broke-dick according to VA. Life goes on though. I am going in for a MRI on my lower back Thursday. I am afraid they will want to operate this time. I might get to watch a lot of Outdoor TV for a bit. He He I had a lot of fun in this life and now it's time to pay for it.

I might have to get Chuck to come hunt with me and put dead animals up on the tail gate for me. He is still a young wipper-snapper. :)

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 16:04:40 (ZULU)

Movin' dead critters- Northern Tool & Equipment has jib cranes that fit on the back of pickups.

WR Moore
Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 16:51:01 (ZULU)

Finger: Ok, I'll sacrifice and help. I guess being under 55 qualifies as being a "whippersnapper". At the risk of undercutting my welcome, here's what I'll do. You put the deer corn and lick in the back of the pickup, and park it out at the stand the day before. The next morning, as the deer are standing around in the bed of the truck, chowing down, we shoot them and drive home.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 17:11:57 (ZULU)

Jim: That same MRI is in my future...but first I have to appeal three injuries. As is typical, my records did not show 'chronic" pathology due to my own fault. I intentionally kept my snivels to myself to avoid a MRB (or a loss of flight, jump or SF status)--and I ran out of time in my last year to correct everything. It is a two edged sword; if you record all your aches and pains you get labelled a "malingerer" and subject yourself to an early departure--and if you do not, the VA will kick your claim to the curb. Getting to 60% was solely a product of my last year, upon return from 'stan--when I had four MRIs, two surgeries and a defered surgery diagnosis, and a life-dose worth of Xrays and phys therapy. In my rush to "complete the record"--I missed a few dings. I can fix that now, but it is a PITA.

Simultaneously, I will fill out the army form for CRSC, something all vets should look into!!! I was on four agency websites, bookmarked a dozen pages, and still do not know where CRDP law currently is or what this all means to me. If you are a vet and do not know what either acronymn means---email me or see a vet org asap!

I talked with several vets yesterday. I discovered that I am not alone in ignorance of the changes to law since '03. One guy hasn't been paid for dependant/ spouse kickers for 10 years. Since 03, that is a bunch of monies...and prior to that it is a tax refund of some cha-ching. Another was unaware of concurrent receipt changes entirely (he was upgraded to qualify AFTER initial changes in law)--and thus slipped thru the cracks.

My advice to those still serving: Prior to any and all PCS moves, go to the docs and get all your minor ouches documented. Enroute to the new duty station, remove documentation from the jacket and keep for later use at your discretion (ie, worsening of condition or placement back in folder prior to final turn-in). Do not try to play catch up with a year or less left in service!!!! Unless you stayed healthy as he proverbial horse:)) I actually got a MRB referral as I updated my medical status (a review board that tosses you on your ass with ridiculously low ratings)--but had an approved retirement date within a year so I could quash the process...

Is anyone else reluctant to fill out federal registration forms (ie, auto or suppressor) to avoid a certain alphabet scrutiny? I've toyed with the idea of obtaining an FFL in the past---but I will likely never do so merely because of 1) horror stories in the media (Red's case is an on-going story) and 2) standing in my local small gun shop when a compliance inspection went down---after posted closing hours---it started off bad and was said to have gotten even worse after they kicked me out. I simply want no part of any of that. Harassment, plain and simple. Said alphabet is "proud" of the reduction of FFLs over these last few years, too.

OK, so who else changes firearms plans and goals out of 'avoidance' of the police state?

Regardless of how I want to feel---this is really a fear of authoritative excesses of a central government. To fear one's own government is as bad as it gets from the founder's perspective. I've had this same conversation last night where the opposing side called this fear "un-American." I made the case convincingly that having this fear at all makes the cause itself "un-American."

|What brought all this up is my NRA/ JPFO side-by-side comparison (click name for just one example). I have to agree with some who have said this for years: The NRA is a pantywaisted lightweight when it comes to the second ammendment. I will still support the N|RA for other reasons...but am searching for a comprehensive legal oriented org to join and support fully. JPFO seems to be a good'un.

Any suggestions?

Joe M
Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 17:37:14 (ZULU)

Good luck Joe. I started as soon as I retired (86), but luckly had good documintation in my records. I played the back and forth game to the VA hospital for years, but with the great admin skills of my wife and the Texas Vet Rep here in San Antonio (Mike Stall, Retired Marine Col.), I got up to 80% this year. I am on the CRSC, I think, the tax free plan that works with my retirement. Most of my crap is combat related so I faired better that way.

Chuck, sounds like a plan to me. :)

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 20:31:51 (ZULU)

"You will find Mortar Hunting to be very relaxing. "

OMG! Bravo, you must post excerpts and a link!!!! I am still laughing...

Joe M
Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 21:16:39 (ZULU)

Well Sarge Jr. is going through the MRB stuff right now. Still haven't made a determination whether it will be medical discharge or medical retirement. This all stems from a rappling fall from a third story window, idiot on belay WASN'T, and he fractured his ankle, surgery screws plates etc. And after this he still did an Iraq tour. So after reenlisting and going to his new unit the surgeons there decided he now has chronic arthritis in that ankle that will not improve. This made him non-deployable thus the MRB. The also has documentation of a shoulder injury that occurred during his National Guard days. He's hopipng for the Med Retirement but again this is all still up in the air! His records are currently at Ft Sam for there determination. Guess we'll see!

If any of you's guys have suggestions for him I'll give you his e-mail and you can advise!

Sarge

Sarge
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 22:49:08 (ZULU)

Joe:

My observations from a distance:

JPFO looks like a class act. A little extreme IMHO, but their heart is in the right place. I've purchased publications from them.

Given the scalp-hunting attitude current in BATFE, I would try and steer clear of a plain FFL for now. Class III is a different matter, as long as you have a good advisor outside the agency on the hoops and pitfalls, you're probably ok to proceed. CLEO signoff in some areas can be a bear.

Lots of good Class III advice in "Small Arms Review" and the writers thereof.

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/

Everyone is on BATFE radar to some degree, but the FFLs have a retroreflector strapped to their spine :-(

The (US) federal bureaucracy (esp the alphabet soup folks) has certainly evolved into a different vision than what the Founding Fathers had in mind...

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, July 31, 2007, at 23:47:17 (ZULU)

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