Sunday, June 1, 2008, at 01:03:34 (ZULU)
Other shooters do it differently. Power to 'em.
CDC'
Sunday, June 1, 2008, at 01:03:34 (ZULU)
CDC'
Sunday, June 1, 2008, at 01:07:56 (ZULU)
A guy named J. Ducos is one of the top shooters at the Sacramento club and he posts here once in awhile. He shot a .338 RUM for at least a season out there and kicked ass with it. It was heavy and had a brake that was like what big artillery guns use. A sideways tube across the muzzle with the ends cut at about a 45 degree angle. I think it's performance with 250's was not far behind the Lapua.
Marc
MarcS
East S.F. Bay area , CA, - Sunday, June 1, 2008, at 05:48:44 (ZULU)
Try a LimbSaver pad before you try the sorbothane. They workie better.
AK74........
I want one. Anybody have any opinions one who does the best work?
CETME.......
Have a guy offering to sell me one locally. I don't know crap about them. Price is reasonable based on price searches. Opinions needed. I've got a couple of boxes of G3 mags and nothing to insert them in :)
.338 Mag..........
Looks like his guy is serious about this 1500 yard range. He's playing EPA games now but he may be able to overcome the bullshit about runoff. Is an AR30 in 338 a reasonable piece to start with? I don't have 4 or 5 grand to put into a custom.
Lake City MG fired brass......
Finally at the end of prepping the first 1250. Jeeezz I hate assembly line work. Stuff sure does look perty after it's finished and polished up.
Litosan.........
Opinions on the new Sightron 8x32?
Freezing fish.........
Place fish in ziplock bag, fill with water, freeze. No freezer burn.
Foodsaver........
Don't get the cheap one........won't last. Don't reuse bags if you can afford not to. Bacteria build up in the creases of the bag and you can't get it out unless you soak in clorox.
Back to my hole, Bolt out!
Bolt
NC, - Sunday, June 1, 2008, at 14:37:01 (ZULU)
Marc
MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Sunday, June 1, 2008, at 19:06:12 (ZULU)
Ar 30 is GTG ! You won't regret it...it's a good investment. Recoil is minimal. Trigger is good out of the box.. Only down side is you have to build your own cheek rest for it. Other than that I have no complaints about mine. PM me if you want some load data.
Stay sane
Calvin
Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Monday, June 2, 2008, at 14:12:04 (ZULU)
Who is selling the AR30 and what kind of retail pricing are they quoting?
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, June 2, 2008, at 16:32:04 (ZULU)
Calvin: Sorry for the driveby. Next time, I'll find time:)) I think i got your email after the trip, IIRC. Ooops. Your Ar30 been out past 500? Hows it shoot? A short review would be cool.
Bolt: Fiiled with water was the advice I got too, but I settled for soaked in water (for the same protections) to save space in my freezer. I was far more successful fishing my second year in Alaska, and even with smokers and shipping pounds to family--I had more than I could store at times. Getting skunked (that first year) turned me into a biologist and hydrographer--I attacked the salmon runs with fishery reports, tide charts and flow rates for various drainages; then scheduled myself to be where the fish are:) Holy shit...did that ever work out well. I became the battalion guide, and since there were more fish than hooks in any given space, I freely gave out my secrets. Heheh...4 months of darkness makes for some great research.
yeah...Alaska was on the short list for retirement right up until numba 3 and 4 were born:))
Joe M
Monday, June 2, 2008, at 17:15:40 (ZULU)
Hey man, my loss that I missed ya not yours.. You and yours are always welcome here ( so are the rest of ya'll, just pm me if your going to be in the Gettysburg pa/MD area).
I've shot my Ar 30 out to 2200 yds...environmental factors make it real problematic at that kind of range.. so I won't speak much of it other than the bullet goes that far.. As for shorter ranges ( 1000 to 1500+ )it simply picks up where the .308's leave off. At 1400 yards I can hit a 10 inch target reliably. Works for me. My load is rather mild and it gets to 1000 with 27-29 moa ( depending on how it feels that day) and goes to to 1400 with 50 or so moa. Deer die when hit with a 250 gameking. Recoil is seems to be a little less than my 308 hbv. Muzzle blast is substantial and not for those that refuse to wear hearing protection. Matter of fact I have left ranges where guys won't use hearing protection. To me, the blast is worse than a .50 bmg rifle.
Before anybody throw the bullshit flag about the recoil... I have a sako that does not have a brake on it.. It's nick name is the 30 second rifle... you had better do all your shooting in thiry seconds as that's about all your shoulder is going to take.. Armalite got the brake right on the Ar 30. Reloading for it is pretty simple and straight forward.
Odd side note: my hornady dies came with an export restriction notice. What's up with that ????
Ken Hunter,
Hey man where ya been hiding ? The hay is getting cut off and the farmer and his wife are bitching about me not killing enough wmdfg's.
Come on up and we'll pop some pasture poodles..
Stay safe
Calvin
Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Monday, June 2, 2008, at 18:09:42 (ZULU)
In my "Ute", I had a CETME with a three speed transmission. It was more fun than being at the Mustang Ranch with somebody else's charge card.
I loved it - the Feds loved it even more - it was a very expensive transgression :(
Buy it!
As to the new Sightron 8x32, I haven't seen one but those that have (that know what they are talking about), say it is delicious. I think Leupold is slipping behind. Probably some of the best money you can spend. Warrantee is the same... forever or until the earth ends, whichever comes first!
-
'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, June 2, 2008, at 18:45:05 (ZULU)
Guys,
Just got out of the hospital today. Spinal fusion damn well better be worth the pain. I feel like someone's been hacking on my spine with a handaxe or a machete. Where they did the fusion, it feels like someone used sheetmetal screws to attach a 3"X5" plate to a spot right below the middle of my back.
Click. This shit makes me sick. It's about time that our schools that teach civil rights start practicing them.
From what I've read, the guy with the full auto AR has been a known idiot for some time, but, then, on the other hand, if you listened only to the government, Randy Weaver was a danger to us all. Thank GOD he had neighbors that were ready, willing, and able(armed) to call bullshit on it.
In the Weaver case, the government probably knew they'd have a revolution on their hands if it was made pulic early on what they were pulling. I lived in that are a few years after it happened, and pretty much all of those folks could survive outdoors, a la "Red Dawn". If they'd have found out before it was too late to help, I doubt any of the feds would have lived to tell the tale.
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, June 2, 2008, at 19:29:09 (ZULU)
Re: The CETME flavored HK-91, I've heard mixed reviews. You might check out HKPRO.com and search the archives. I think original, pre-ban HK-91s are going for ~$2200, if that's in your price range.
Shopping for components this weekend.... good grief, the prices continue to skyrocket. I used to think $0.25-$0.50, every time i pulled the trigger, was pricey. Now that's just the price of a boolit.... the cheap ones.
Duman
Monday, June 2, 2008, at 23:45:31 (ZULU)
There are still ranges where folks don't use any hearing protection? That just floors me...
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, June 3, 2008, at 00:12:08 (ZULU)
We missed ya yesterday's match. Was a great day. Ya coming next month? See ya there if you do.
Joe
Joe Ducos
Turlock, CA, USA - Tuesday, June 3, 2008, at 01:06:14 (ZULU)
FWIW
Pat II
Tuesday, June 3, 2008, at 01:58:29 (ZULU)
medicjim
Tuesday, June 3, 2008, at 02:13:52 (ZULU)
I've been getting back into high power again and that's taking time away from tac matches. I'll be there next month though.
Marc
MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Tuesday, June 3, 2008, at 05:29:27 (ZULU)
3X20 + Spotters? I'm taking advil just thinking about it.
CDC'
Tuesday, June 3, 2008, at 12:09:32 (ZULU)
What gear are you using for case trimming and chambering?
I'm seriously considering a Giraud. I'm estimating a *saving* of up to 10hr/1000 over my current tooling.
http://www.giraudtool.com/prod02.htm
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, June 3, 2008, at 21:32:48 (ZULU)
I had to do it, bought and installed a golden rod after it got up to 69% humidity. Now it back down to 44%. We have had nothing but rain for the past two weeks. So this is probably the highest Ill see it.
P.S. Lito's gun room exposed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRKJ1IZPx2M
Jon
Jon Kujawa
Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 00:21:06 (ZULU)
I bought a Giraud a couple of years ago and wonder why I didn't do it sooner. You WILL get your monies' worth and Doug is a nice a guy as you will ever talk to.
Get a Hornady locking ring for your case head. Set the trim length and lock the ring. If you ever change calibers you can pull the head and not have to reset it each time. Also get a set of Skip's shims to adjust for same calibers with different head spaces. I have several 308's and several head space length's and used to have to try and adjust for each one. The locking ring and the shims have saved having to donate brass to set the trimmer up.
1500 yard range........
Well damn, the range at Louisburg didn't fly. He's going to build a 1200 yard range in Yanceyville, NC. Will fill you in on the details when he emails me. Guess I can stick with my 300mag. Or, look for a possible deal on a AR30. I have a gunsmith down the street that has designed a damn perty would stock to replace that piece of crap looking thing that comes on the AR30's. He's made stocks for 2 so far and I'm trying to get him to let me post pics.
PTR91 vs CETME.......
I've read up on both and it appears that the smart move would be the PTR. Sounds like even though CETME's are cheaper they tend to have more problems.
Sightron......
My next build will wear one. I'm hearing good stuff too.
Man o man.........
The home AO has turned into a Peyton Place with all mine and DoughLady's kids' problems. I swear I should write a book. It's a damn shame kids don't come with a button you could push to give them common sense.
Back to the garden, or to trim brass, or something else to keep me sane, Bolt out!
Bolt
Peyton Plance, NC, - Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 01:05:23 (ZULU)
You just tipped me over into it. Giraud is next on the "bigger item" list. I guess I should be serious and get cartridge kits for all my bottleneck cartridges.
I'm fortunate that I haven't seen a need for custom headspace for my sticks. My two .308 bolt guns both wear match-grade barrels that were done at very different times by the same gunsmith with same model reamer. He apparently got the headspace setup very similar, which is just great for me. The other sticks are semi-autos or levers, which demand leaving a bit more tolerance in cartridge headspacing for function sake.
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 01:24:57 (ZULU)
Anyway, to make a long, meandering story shorter: I shelved it "for later." If this thing is fun, maybe it is time to wring it out...The builder did put on the rail kit, too. With an aimpoint forward mounted, this could be a nice truck gun.
Man, 30-40 Krags have a smooooth bolt. Too bad Gander Mtn priced it "stupid." And, the new store is 3 times the size of the old--and they carry NO match ammo or match bullets:(( The olds store had a decent inventory, but I musta been one of the only two customers buying!
We have a bear local that is known as "Raegan's Bear." She spotted it while a friend was driving her home from a play date. The guy said it was big. Next door, another guy says he got within 35yds, and estimates a 600-plus boar. I would have no qualms about having my M4 and 28rds on tap if meeting R. bear...but I am suddenly thinking these 308s are looking worth the extra weight. 3S's?
Joe M
Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 03:58:13 (ZULU)
If gunsmithing were "easy", there wouldn't be so many bad ones out there (based on talk around the bar).
The HK-91 design requires some special tools for pressing in the barrel, and probably a lot of other voodoo I'll never learn. It took the Germans and Spaniards a lot of years to perfect the roller-delayed blowback system. If he has a track record of success, then bring it to Badlands next week.... let's light 'er up!
Duman
Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 05:10:04 (ZULU)
Naw...Ya dont wanna do 3's on that.Thats a first rate trophy there.Heard some of ya Northern guys were gettin some that would rival some of the Canadian ones....plus even if it werent a 600lb'er and actually went 400 thats a still a BIG Wi. Blackie.To bad I got a few years to go in my kill tag or I would give ya a call.Wi's point system really sucks.Blackies are pretty shy unless ya do something really stupid....Like try to pet or hand feed one like some idiot tried at a county dump some years back.
Be grateful it aint a sow w/cubs.Then ya might have a some trouble.
UnPat
I try to avoid Gander if at all possible.Not only are thier prices stupididly high....but the staff down here in Franklin has a really low I.Q. too,plus some of the stores policies on "special orders" are not flexible.If it aint an '06 or 12 ga they dont wanna talk to ya.Wich is fine too.I'll happily travel 15 miles outta my way and spend my money where I know I can get more then an " Ummm...Gotta ask the Manager."
UnPat
Wi, USA - Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 09:30:53 (ZULU)
Good, fast, reasonably priced - you're only allowed 2 of 3 attributes.
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 11:15:21 (ZULU)
The Gander Mtn. here in Wichita BLOWS! They carry casting and reloading stuff, just not enough to count. Their selection of .45 bullets? 2! .308? About the same. They SUCK.
I think they mostly just sell people that can't shoot guns they can't afford, and $300 worth of camo to wear while they do it. I think they make most of their money on clothes.
As for shooting "Raegan's bear" with your puny little popgun, I can't find the link, but sometime in the last year or so, some guy up in Alaska killed a POLAR BEAR with his M-4! It was breaking into his shed, or something. That old boy had some cajones, or was really stupid.
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 12:39:35 (ZULU)
He even met me half way in a sporting goods store parking lot to make the swap. He took the time to show me how everything works, which is about as easy as putting a pencil into an electric pencil sharpener, and is really just a nice guy.
You can tell he takes pride in his work, and will stand behind it if something does happen.
The carbide cutter has three different cutters, so if you ever do dull one, it's a simple matter to rotate to a fresh cutter. If I remember right, he's got a testimonial from a guy who has ran tens of thousands through one cutter, and it's still going strong.
Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 14:09:46 (ZULU)
>"Good, fast, reasonably priced - you're only allowed 2 of 3 attributes."<
Consider yourself lucky if you get one of the above.
-
Jon-K...
That ain't my gun room - it's too neat and not enuff long guns.
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'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 14:19:53 (ZULU)
On another board a guy was asking about focus problems with the Leupolds. I gave him the correct way to focus the side focus models, as you've talked about here before, and told him I had experience with the 3.5-10 and 6.5-20 Long Range models.
I also said I'd not had any first hand experience with the NF scopes but suspected that they would have the same problems.
Another guy said he's been using 3 NF scopes over the last three years with no lash problems and it would behoove those, meaning me, who have no experience with them not to ASS-U-ME that they have the same problems with Leupolds.
That kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I figured I check with you before I made a rash smart ass post back to him.
Tony Burkes
Alvin, Texas, United States of America - Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 14:44:53 (ZULU)
medicjim
Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 19:47:54 (ZULU)
Darren
East Bay, CA, USA - Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 20:57:45 (ZULU)
Congratulations on the new arrival!
Regards,
Joisey Steve
Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, US of A - Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 21:45:29 (ZULU)
Great news! Congratulations.
Cheers,
Doc
Doc Holloway
The muggy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 22:34:13 (ZULU)
Click my name for a general yet interesting piece on possible climate change. Global warming? In this case, sane people being right rather than the nutcase enviroweenies might be a BAD thing.
Geoff M
WI, USA - Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 23:06:02 (ZULU)
Congratulations!! That's terrific!
re: Sporting goods stores... I used to be a big fan of Sportsman's Warehouse. Used to have good stocks of whatever you didn't realize you needed... now they don't even have many of the basics. And you can't blame it all on "the war".
Duman
Wednesday, June 4, 2008, at 23:34:51 (ZULU)
Joe M
Thursday, June 5, 2008, at 04:58:14 (ZULU)
Congrats on the New Arrival Jim !!!
UnPat
UnPat
Wi, USA - Thursday, June 5, 2008, at 05:02:34 (ZULU)
Found on leverguns.com :
I hate snakes ,,
New York State loves them, They even worry about snakes suffering from ""physiological stress"
Read following:
Mine Owner Found Guilty of Harming Rattlesnakes with Four-Foot Fence
Since 1990, Jay Montfort of Fishkill, New York has been trying to expand a gravel mine on his own land. But the New York Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) has been finding one excuse after another not to give Montfort the permission he needs to expand. Montfort believes "the motivation for such abusive tactics appears to be the desire of the state" and a local conservation group, Scenic Hudson, to acquire his property for a land trust.
For four years, the rationale was that Montfort's mine would threaten a den of rattlesnakes that dwell near the property. Rattlesnakes are protected under New York's endangered species law. DEC officials claim that a four-foot, wire-mesh fence Montfort built around his property to protect his employees was illegal because it reduced the snake's habitat by about 20% and would inflict "physiological stress" on the snakes. In early 1999, a New York state judge ruled that Montfort's fence did pose a threat to the snakes. Montfort will do as he has been doing for nine years now and appeal yet another unfavorable decision.
Source: Property Rights Foundation
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, June 5, 2008, at 06:44:46 (ZULU)
Scotland is entering the biological warfare arena. Surreptitiously. I stumbled on the fact, quite by accident, yesterday while on a day trip to John O'Groats in the north. While standing in a tourist shop, I came across a horrifying thing that had obviously been slipped in, possibly as a test run. Haggis in a tin, wrapped up as an ordinary gift.
JR, no wonder you're thinking of pulling up stakes. Beautiful country, nice people, and taxes out the ASS. I'm staying in a hostel, taking cheap walking tours and doing laundry in a coin-op laundromat, and I've gone through almost a thousand dollars in the last week. Well, mostly at the pub, but DAMN! Went looking for Nessie the other day, but realized that she's probably booked out to less expesive digs....like Lake Havasu or Tahoe. Woof. Still, it's worth it just to get back to the old roots. Going to visit Culloden later today. Jeez, I'm amazed that any of my ancestors survived to produce me.....first the Jacobite Rebellion, then the Civil war (Southern, of course). At least they were losers with style.....
Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Thursday, June 5, 2008, at 10:02:41 (ZULU)
Take care, God Bless our Troops
Ken
Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Thursday, June 5, 2008, at 14:17:48 (ZULU)
Joe M
Thursday, June 5, 2008, at 14:27:37 (ZULU)
This is my second...my daughter will be six in October. I finally convinced the wife to go for round two... she was a bit put off by the first one...something about it hurting or something. I'm now 42, so I figure I'll stop at two...
Joe M - work is my one refuge....you'll not see me surrender that till the boy is old enough to keep up on my 'day adventures' as the wife calls them.
medicjim
Thursday, June 5, 2008, at 15:06:11 (ZULU)
The Nightforce is supposed to be pretty free of backlash.
Leupold has it bad (it is in the design), and you must always go from the infinity end of the dial when going out to a further range.
.
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, June 5, 2008, at 21:04:56 (ZULU)
Pat II
Friday, June 6, 2008, at 05:41:45 (ZULU)
Dunno if any of you cast bullets for .50 BMG, but here's a link. Click.
Boy, I sure felt disabled last night! About 6 p.m., we were under a tornado watch, which was pretty much centered on my house. I've pretty much know the drill. You know, calm the wife, put my storm gear on, calm the wife, throw some handguns, ammo, and meds in the little safe, calm the wife, grab a small cooler with some food and drinks, calm the wife, then hit the storm cellar.
It's a whole different deal when you need help getting dressed, and the only person to help you is turning into a complete spaz. I'm getting around pretty well, just not fast, and I can't bend much yet, but I'm confident the surgery's gonna help.
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., Tornado Alley - Friday, June 6, 2008, at 10:23:53 (ZULU)
HDR
OK, - Friday, June 6, 2008, at 15:11:50 (ZULU)
What problem? That's Detroit during GOOD economic times.
Duman
Friday, June 6, 2008, at 18:01:39 (ZULU)
Back when I was in college, one of the professors had made several trips to Alaska. He commented that due to freight costs, the (native) locals shot an amazing amount of stuff with .22 Hornets & .222s. After all, if you pop seals or whatever in the head (If it gets in the hole in the ice, it's gone!), doesn't matter much what the popping was done with. This being waaaaaay back before the North Slope and other economic boosts, sounded plausable.
Now I'm not advocating hunting polars with an M4, but not all bears are 10 feet tall and 1200 lbs.
WR Moore
Saturday, June 7, 2008, at 00:43:42 (ZULU)
Lindy
Hanging out near Creede, Colorado, U.S.A. - Saturday, June 7, 2008, at 04:04:24 (ZULU)
on an unrelated note, Dyncorp is actively looking for medics (WPPS), DDMS.
Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Saturday, June 7, 2008, at 16:00:15 (ZULU)
I have kin in Lawrence, KS. Hopefully the local weather is treating them well...
How did the tornado watch go for you?
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, June 7, 2008, at 19:41:30 (ZULU)
I am reminded of the 8-month long debate, at the GO and above level, about whether or not we really were fighting an insurgency or not. Franks, Rummy, Wolfowicz (or itz), Bremmer NEEDED it to be "just a criminal" problem to justify all that they had done in prep, planning and execution up to any given point before the surge. So, there was a cohort in denial, and a handful of those on the other side---saying "we screwed the pooch and ignited a disaffected former soldier and regime hacks' war"---guys like Wallace (almost fired during the march to baghdad for wanting to mop up the fadayeen in his rear areas), Patraeus, Pagone...many mid-level, close-to-the-front-edge types all were stating the obvious. We'd sit in these freakin' meetings, where insurgency tactics and counter tactics were discussed and acted on from end to end of that country, only to watch Rummy's press confernce later on saying how much "progress" had been made all day long. Somewhere, someone, changed the fucking slides! heheh.
Anyway, it was a cluster fuck from the get-go. I recall a post here in '02 about the "devil we know" and Iran; and GHWB's excellent reasons for NO|T taking Saddam out in 91. FWIW, it was NOT because of an Arab coalition's senisbilities...it was about regional power balances. Pwoell was absolutely right though---once we break it, we own it.
So, the bottom line is this---dumb or not, we are there and have a job to finish whether we like it, love it, hate it, or want rid of it. Doesn't make a bit of difference whatsoever what we think, feel, or want now---we broke it. Debating the merits ended at the LD.
And, what I find funny as hell is the thought (on the left) that our so-called allies will "like us again" if we pull out of Iraq. Here's a thought: A great big super power run amok and crushes the ruling authority of a country, and breaks some infrastructure up along the way. Then, in a fit of petulence, they decide they don't want to play 'fix-it-up" anymore and leave that country to disintigrate in anarchy. How exactly does that engender lasting friendships? How many of YOUR friends screw people over on an industrial scale??? It would be like your neighbor coming over to help you fight your house fire, only to walk away in the middle of the battle to "go get some sleep." In the morning, would you loan that guy the time of day??? Yeah....our standing in the world will go way up if we only fuck over an entire population....brilliant thought, Mr. Obama.
I should write a book. The confusion and second guessing might not make the cut with all the revision going on, so I oughta capture some of it in print (Bremmer is trying to shore up his rep by re-writing facts in evidence). Declassification will eventually paint Bremmer into history's cesspool, along with a few other we may think are OK now. The problem I have is much of what I know, or surmise, is entwined in stuff I cannot use--and i really don't know where unclass ends and classified begins:)) Its all mushed together in my noggin. The downside of a great memory...
Rant off...
The most popular round in alaska was .22 (overall). Only when you limit he survey to guides will major calibers show up:)) I read that somewhere up there...
Lindy: My theory on blackies was the 28 rounds in the mag oughta get me one in the head...while also being useful on yotes and other plinking chores. The local appearance of a unusually large black made me change calibers, though.
Joe M
Saturday, June 7, 2008, at 20:09:24 (ZULU)
Write the book while it is still fresh in your mind. There is always the option of sorting out what can be released after it has been drafted. Classifications (and writers) don't live forever.
I read a fascinating account from the Korean war about the prep for the Inchon invasion which revealed why it went so well. It was discovered after the passing of the author by his wife.
http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Inchon-Eugene-Franklin-Clark/dp/0425190005/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212875421&sr=8-9
If Korea is America's forgotten war, Eugene Franklin Clark is certainly one of that war's least-known heroes. The Secrets of Inchon is his first-person account--written in 1953 and long forgotten in a safety deposit box--of his terrifying fortnight on a small island in North Korean-occupied Inchon harbor. Douglas MacArthur's planned invasion was as fraught with peril as it was daring. The port, with 29-foot tides, was, at their ebb, protected by a mud-flat moat 6,000 yards wide in places. Without elaborate, accurate, first-hand information--which Clark was ordered to supply--about mines, fortifications, sea floor gradients, troop distribution, and other matters large and small, the operation (Clark likens it to a "fly deliberately planning to invade a spider's web") could easily have become "an American Dunkerque." Clark's reconnaissance included hand-to-hand gunfights, rugged interrogations, night forays in small junks, constant vigilance, exhaustingly long hours, and the cooperation of anti-Communist Koreans.
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, June 7, 2008, at 22:52:55 (ZULU)
Link in case the embed doesn't work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laSRfJ8WgwQ&feature=related
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Geoff M
WI, USA - Saturday, June 7, 2008, at 23:14:23 (ZULU)
Today I shot the F-Class match at Butner, 3 1000 yard matches. According to my Kestral 4000 the first match was 88 degrees at 08:30, second match was 97 degrees at 10:45, third match was 103.2 degrees at 14:30. Humidity was hovering between 50% and 60% depending on which radio station you were listening to. My scores reflect how bad the heat index was. I drank over a gallon of water, a quart of Gator Aid and 3 sodas and couldn't keep up with the sweat loss. I gave up and decided to come home and not shoot tomorrow. If the damn aliens want to invade I'm gonna find an air conditioned bunker somewhere. Most of my construction projects for the past 9 months have been major inside renovations at the hospital. I have got just about heat tolerance this summer. Those poor Palma guys must be masochists with them damn heavy shooting coats.
I've turned into a heat wussy, Bolt out!
Bolt
Sunday, June 8, 2008, at 01:31:23 (ZULU)
... Mang, it's bad in them schools. And we pay for that shit!
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, June 8, 2008, at 03:58:24 (ZULU)
I clearly recall having to explain what Representatives and Senators were before my wifes daughters voted:(((( Several years back, I tried borrowing one of the kids math books for some quick trig to do some rough surveying and had to give up. The number of parents who actually show up on conference nights is minimal....many have no clue what's going on in the classroom.
I do believe that when the folks who work in the classrooms quit being "Teachers" and started being "Educators", we opened the expressway to Hell.
I can recall a discussion with a vice principal about younger zygote where my comment about something got a condescending reply of "Mr. Moore, WE'RE the professional educators." After a short silence, I asked her if she had any clue what I did for a living and when she shrugged, told her, in effect, to never, ever use either that tone of voice or attitude with me again. Come to think of it, that was the last time I ever spoke to her.
WR Moore
Sunday, June 8, 2008, at 04:52:02 (ZULU)
Rod,
We made out just fine, thanks for asking.
Living right between Haysville and Wichita, just west of I-35, we were right in the crosshairs. I'd just woken up when they told us to go to our 'fraidy holes.
Being as I just had spinal fusion a little over a week ago, bugging out was a little more complicated than I'm used to. We've pretty much got the drill down, but it's lot harder when you can't put your boots and pants one my yourself. Plus, my wife's a panicky person, and has panic attacks over little shit.
Our general drill is to grab the portable safe with handguns and meds in it, the soft cooler with snacks, beverages, flashlights, etc. in it, and some rain gear, then go across the street to the neighbor's storm shelter.
When my wife saw me straping on a gunbelt, she started to get lippy, but I shut her down. When we got across the street, I handed my neighbor the safe, and told him I brought extra supplies, "for looter hunting". Everyone seemed to appreciate that.
'Lito,
I'm 31, and went to public schools. About all they taught us about the civil war was that it was all about ending slavery, which, of course, was total bullshit.
Very little was ever said about Korea, and I only had one history teacher try to teach us about one of the world wars. He was so damn boring I keot trying to get him to kick me out of his class.
As a result, as an adult, I'm trying to teach myself quite a bit. I've considered going to college, but adult onset ADHD makes things quite a bit more difficult. That, and I'd have to fight the overwhelming urge to beat the shit out of liberal professors attemting to poison the future of America.
Travis Morganq
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, June 8, 2008, at 05:02:24 (ZULU)
We the people get what we demand. If we leave it to the teachers, they'll do whatever is easiest and not worry too much about the consequences.....that's basic capitalism. If we don't like what our kids are being taught, we should all run for election to the school board and start the process of unscrewing the system...expect it to take decades and require many, many involved parents. Previous generations of parents have screwed things up royally and it's going to take a lot of undoing. IMO - one of the reasons the NRA is such a joke is it's failure to resist the liberalization of the education system. Guns are scary because a whole generation of citizens were taught that individualism is bad.
In the mean time, the fact that the education system is lacking simply means that we parents need to suck it up and make the difference. I bake Constitutional points into my fire service lectures to the newbs, basic conversation with peers and bedtime talks with my daughter...it's easy if you are little creative.
medicjim
Sunday, June 8, 2008, at 14:29:03 (ZULU)
Absolutely. Parents are responsible for the education their children. Schools may or may not help. Sending them to the closest public school and hoping for the best is negligent.
CDC'
Sunday, June 8, 2008, at 16:12:06 (ZULU)
"Ken Hunter,
Hey man where ya been hiding ? The hay is getting cut off and the farmer and his wife are bitching about me not killing enough wmdfg's.
Come on up and we'll pop some pasture poodles.."
Calvin - We're here @ the farm...Might have to sneak up there and try out that .22Hornet :)
We're working on finishing up this shop/garage addition. Done with the building, electrical/plumbing. Doing trim out, painting, hang doors, etc... Gettin ready to move the tools, toys, etc over there and setup :)
Take care all
Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Sunday, June 8, 2008, at 17:12:05 (ZULU)
Your comment got me to thinking-does anyone make a pump action .22 Hornet?
I think that'd be the cat's ass for a truck gun.
A cartridge that's about like a laser for coyotes, skinny and light enough to store about anywhere, light enough for an impromptu sprint over a hill for a better shot, in an action that's quick, handy, and damn near infallible, if ya just squirt it with a little WD-40 once a year or so.
I always thought my pump .22 was ugly, but the damn thing was infallible, and easy to pack, whether afoot, horseback, on a tractor, or in a pickup.
Didn't they chamber the Marlin levers in .22 Hornet?
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, June 8, 2008, at 20:47:01 (ZULU)
Wasn't there an Air Force (crew) survival rifle chambered in .22 Hornet pre-dating the M16 and the 5.56 NATO cartridge?
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, June 9, 2008, at 01:37:19 (ZULU)
There was a Springfield M6 Scout O/U survival gun that was a .22 Hornet over a .410 shotgun as well as some other combinations. I don't know when they were made.
Cheers,
Doc
Doc Holloway
The muggy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Monday, June 9, 2008, at 02:19:41 (ZULU)
You can pick up most subjects just by reading. History is one of them. I enjoyed "A History of the American People" and "Modern Times" both by Paul Johnson.
<edited to remove unintended obnoxious pomposity. Did I get it all? Too much cheap vino.>
CDC'
Monday, June 9, 2008, at 05:03:08 (ZULU)
Played with it some n 22 n 410. Its a pretty decent little rifle. Helped my Dad pick one up about a year ago or so. If someone were able to find one in 22 hornet that wouldn't be a bad little combination but I think I would lean more towards the Savage over under. Dad had one of those in 22/20 and I have 1 in 223/12 that is just a sweet little stick. I know they make them in several different combinations and I would bet that it would be worth looking into. I believe that its either a 24f or predator
(link)
http://www.savagearms.com/24f12.htm
As far as education goes... Its been going down hill since the Left started a couple decades ago using it as their propaganda machine... IMHO
I am working on an old/new project. I started in before I left but it got put on hold. I got bored a few days ago and started up on it again. Before I took off I had started rebuilding a stock for an M1a. I used some Quick steel to rebuild the grip into a more verticle grip and give it some contours that fit me vs the general public. After that I refinished it. This last week I broke it out again and dug out my box of Krylon. Put a decent base coat onto it and I am going to pick up the paint I want to use for the final coat this week. I don't know when I am going to be able to go harvest some weeds for the pattern I want to use but i should be able to get it sometime if I don't have to much come up at work... but we all know the best laid plans...
Other than that the only things I need to do is either get a swivel stud to mount onto the stock for my bipod or get a short section of picatiny and the swivel stud adapter so I can mount my harris onto it. and The final thing I need to get is the mounting screw for the scope mount that I am going to use.
I have a Leupy 3.5-10x tactical scope I am going to mount on it until I get around to picking up another NFO.
One of my friends went out this morning and put several rounds down range thru a 6.5 m4 upper. He told me that the first round down range shredded the x on the target at 100 yards.
Morgue
"The man who does not do his own thinking is a slave, and is a traitor to himself and his fellow men. -Robert G. Ingersoll"
Mourge
SD, Ca, - Monday, June 9, 2008, at 06:49:41 (ZULU)
What mount are you planning on using? My understanding is that is the weak point for most M1A projects.
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, June 9, 2008, at 16:29:44 (ZULU)
medicjim
Monday, June 9, 2008, at 17:04:08 (ZULU)
I was gonna buy a prototype version with a skeleton stock(like a Sten) about a decade ago but deferred when discovered it was a NFA weapon(14" barrel) and didn't feel like ruining it by welding an extension on.
With a decent can, slightly shortened barrel and compact scope it would have made a nice covert toy, since it was small enough to fit in a Seagrams bag. S/F.....Ken M
Ken M
Monday, June 9, 2008, at 18:27:09 (ZULU)
I am going with a Smith Enterprise m21 mount for the M1a project. I happen to have 1 but I lost the screw so I need to get ahold of Smith and get a new screw. Not in too much of a rush, I will get it done this week sometime I think.
Just got done dealing with the Bureaucracy. Let me tell you when the system screws something up there is nothing but headaches for the screw'ee. LOL I think I have most of the stuff figured out and taken care of but i think I have a couple new bald patches from the grr factor.
Joe,
Sounds like we should be getting out that direction for work sometime beginning to middle of July so if you want to find time we should be there for a bit.
Mourge
SD, PRCa, - Monday, June 9, 2008, at 20:31:06 (ZULU)
Order parts in a hurry, since you are never in control of the whole process. Install at leasure...
Smith Ent. makes some good gear, should work ok.
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, June 9, 2008, at 21:59:21 (ZULU)
I guess the Seagrams bag would have been intended for low profile in the urban environment?
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, June 9, 2008, at 22:05:04 (ZULU)
I went ahead and ordered a new screw... and then ordered a couple spares just in case. LOL. Thats truly good advice buy now and take the time later, only problem is when you have more irons in the fire than you can financially either support or juggle... But thats the way of things depending on whats going on, as we all have experienced now and again.
As for an urban low visibility weapons bag... it depends on the weapon but you could definitely use one of the canvas crush/folding camp chair bags as a low vis folding AK carry bag. might get a funny look depending on where you were walking but over all most people would just dismiss it if they even noticed it in the first place. Hell you could carry it into any park and it wouldn't even get a second glance. hmm... I think I need to contact TAG and see about a new project :)
Anyways back to lurking and projecting...
Morgue
"Anyone who clings to the historically untrue, and thoroughly immoral, doctrine that violence never settles anything I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler would referee. Violence; naked force, has settled more issues in history than any other factor and the contrary is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forgot this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and with their freedoms."
-Robert Heinlein
Mourge
SD, PRCa, - Monday, June 9, 2008, at 23:46:19 (ZULU)
Ack on projects and $ :-(
Warming up to purchase a Giraud case trimmer in .223 Rem.
RAH is one of my favs. Read most of his books, many of the later works purchased as hardcovers when released because I didn't want to wait. Encountered the fellow who introduced RAH to Virginia on the AR15 mailing list several years ago.
John Farnam suggests a lacrosse stick bag as low profile shotgun packaging. I think I look too old to be a believable lacrosse player. The chair bag is a good idea, hadn't heard that one. I'm definitely believable as a field chair user :-)
rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, June 10, 2008, at 00:06:16 (ZULU)
"NEW JERSEY GENERAL ASSEMBLY PASSES GUN BAN . . . A bill (A2116) to ban firearms chambered in .50 caliber -- firearms which are commonly used by sportsmen for target shooting and collecting -- will no longer be heard in the New Jersey Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee, but rather has been moved to the Judiciary Committee where it is slated to be heard this Thursday, June 12. "Banning .50-caliber firearms is a major policy objective of the gun-control movement," said NSSF Senior Vice President and General Counsel Lawrence G. Keane. "These firearms are not used to commit crimes and are common among sportsmen all over the world. For legislators to assert otherwise is nothing more than fear mongering." NSSF is encouraging all sportsmen, firearms enthusiasts and shooters to contact members of the New Jersey General Assembly Judiciary Committee and their legislators, urging them to vote down this anti-gun legislation. .."
Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Tuesday, June 10, 2008, at 00:26:56 (ZULU)
On carrying a rifle in pubic...
Not my idea, but worth consideration - an acquaintance who works executive protection uses a tennis bag to carry an M4-type rifle. The rifle has a magazine inserted and a hard box to catch the empties if he has to fire the rifle inside the bag. The box keeps the bag from jamming the rifle on ejection.
He works in Florida and no one seems to find it unusual.
FWIW.
Dittoes on Master Robert's comment on violence.
Trajan
Trajan Aurelius
East Bay, Kalifornya, USA!! - Tuesday, June 10, 2008, at 02:08:40 (ZULU)
I've had good luck with the sadlac mount on m1a's Give it a look over.
http://www.sadlak.com/si_improvements_to_bpt.html
What I really like is the little kit to measure YOUR receiver to make sure it's within spec...
Stay safe
Calvin
Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Tuesday, June 10, 2008, at 02:26:39 (ZULU)
Click on my name for the link.
Lindy
Creede, Colorado - for now, U.S.A. - Tuesday, June 10, 2008, at 03:44:34 (ZULU)
After checking out the link provided (thanks BTW) I would have to say that I like the design better, just from looking at it. If I were going to be purchasing a mount I would give it serious consideration But The GDI is what we are using on the EBR and I would most likely go with it.(thanks for the link lindy) Since the one I have was a freebie I am going to run with it. If I find that I can't get it to print consistently I will most likely start looking at the mount first.
After that if it doesn't solve the issue I am going to talk to a guy Bravo was recommending last time we talked next time I am out in his area... hell I may just take it with me when I head out there and see what he has to say. worst case scenario he is going to tell me I need a different stick.
If anyone is doing some do it your self upgrades to stocks or anything like that a quick solution to putting bulk onto it is quick steel. It is found at most auto parts stores and is a definite must for the fix it box.
A couple of the irons in the fire is I am waiting to take delivery of a pair of Bohica Arms AR uppers. 1 in 50 BMG and another in .416 barrett. 1 is coming down here to the PRCA and the other (BMG) is going out to my folks place since it isn't "legal" here in the Peoples Republic. Such is life... hence the 416 barrett. Since I am going to have access to a couple of long distance ranges I am hoping to wring the 416's out some.
A couple months ago I was looking into either building or rebuilding a gun and rebarrelling it into a 338-06... Said project got put on hold when i started drooling over the 416 barrett... I figure I can always pick up another bolt action Savage and a new barrel... I probably won't be able to pick up the big bore BMG based guns and uppers for long...
Joe,
Bro I vote that you write your book and then sit on it until you can print it... that way when its all said and done you aren't trying to write this thing in 20 years when things have gotten hazy... You know what they say- you loose 3 things when you get older. Your memory and I can't remember the other 2...
Hows the trip treating you? wish I could have made it this round... sadly I projected myself further than I expected. Shoot a couple Targets for me huh.
Morgue
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Mourge
SD, PRCa, - Tuesday, June 10, 2008, at 04:01:13 (ZULU)
Free is the best price.... With my very limited experience with m1a's.. issues seem to be, scope mount,shifty bedding and things that bump/rub each other.... Fun to tinker with but I'm still a bolt gunner at heart..
Stay safe
Calvin
PS Pm me as my email has changed...
PPSS Bravo is the man when it comes to M1A's
Calvin
e-burg, MD, U.S.A - Tuesday, June 10, 2008, at 15:07:14 (ZULU)
1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - The Selma, Alabama events had no effect on your birth, as the Selma events were in 1965. (Google 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it using terrorism and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more.
Obama's cousin, Raila Odinga, in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Raila Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter… Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before and after the Kenya election process got started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the real truth.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and a name normally given to a baby in Islamic families to denote that baby is intended and destined to be raised and trained as a Muslim, so is Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro)
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for an American government office.
4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in islam'' http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them from memory with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.
13.) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.
21) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel.
30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.
31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.
33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.
35) I don't Have Lobbysists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.
38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTL Y, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.
There...now that you have the facts (check 'em for yourself if you're in question) how can Barack Hussein Obama stand up in front of the American people and rant lies??
The bad part is a lot of a Americans are buying his “Lies”.
It's not a racial thing, but many “libs” will vote for him because of his race – “to make up for the past history of blacks in this country”. You don’t give some the presidency to make up for the past. Particularly not someone who has no connection to that part of our country’s history.
Obama is a puppet that was put into power by the Chicage Daily political machine - many of Obama's key players trace back to Daily.
The man has done NOTHING in the political world - even when he was "elected" to the senate, he didn't run against the incumbent - he got her disqualified on signature technicalities... he was the only democrat on the ballet in a democratic state… Obama has NEVER run against another person for office – he walked into the senate seat without ever stating what he was running for or what he stood for.
I can't believe that this country is soooooo desperate for candidates that we would run a man for president that has never accomplished anything political in his life, and hasn't finished one term in the senate.
I mean, I don't care WHAT party you are with, this is insane - he has never even been a mayor, never balanced a budget, never ran a shopping mart - he is an empty suit with a pretty face, and a political machine behind him - when he isn't reading from a prompter (speeches that someone else wrote) he stumbles over his words like a five year old in the class play – he can't make a cogent sentence on his own.
And with McCain's bumbling ineptitude, Obama will probably be the next president... with the puppet strings going back to the Chicago, and the Daily machine pulling the strings - a perfect time for a light skinned "negro" that speaks well.
Where are the Truman's, the Jack Kennedy's, the Roosevelt's, the Churchill's, the Reagan’s and the Thatcher’s... someone that has power and can make a sentence without help.
Jeez, I would even get Nixon back from the grave if I could, over this stupid bunch.
Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days? Not much.
From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
143 days -- I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that.
In contrast, John McCain's 26 years in Congress, 22 years of military service including 1,966 days in captivity as a POW in Hanoi now seem more impressive than ever. At 71, John McCain may just be hitting his stride.
The next four years are going to be really bad, unless the real Obama gets exposed in the mainstream media (like that's gonna happen??)
Pass this around to everyone you know.
-
'lito
CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, June 10, 2008, at 23:32:59 (ZULU)
Blatantly stolen from another forum
This was also reposted on a shotgun site for members whose views and opinions caused them to be extirped and repressed from more uppity double gun sites. Over there I noted that as Obama was certainly 50% Irish (or Scots Irish as regards name) noting his largely Arab bloodlines could cause him to be called O'Hussein or McHussein. I am thinking of developing this into a flier or poster saying the election is McCain v. McHussein. A bad choice for everyone in a couple respects and a disaster if Boy Obama gets in. However the deepening stupidity of our higher elected reps and the corruption of the infantile news media causes me to feel that God is going to let us slit our own throats. By the way, Comrade Obama is saying gun registration at the Federal level (record keeping and access) would have stopped two killings in a venue where he had an appearance. He was scripted to say this by his World Controller handlers. By the way do get copies of "1984" and Brave New World. These are required reading in English or rhetoric classes. Written a while back but remarkably true and happening today. 1984 is a fifties era movie if I recall. But you'll never see it on TV. Too true.
Rick B.
I don't know if you are out and about or if you are just lurking in the shadows. If you are lurking and just kicking it would you do me a favor and PM me. I have a question for you offline.
Thanks bro
Morgue
my final thought on this one is a quote from a well known politician from years ago.
"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
-Adolf Hitler 1935
Mourge
SD, PRCa, - Wednesday, June 11, 2008, at 01:23:28 (ZULU)
There was a real interesting article overseas about the reception he can expect in the sandbox area. Seems like since he was born into Islam (courtesy of his daddy) and has since become Christian (even if only to enhance his "identity"), he's considered an apostate. This places him lower than whale do-do in the Marianas Trench to believers. Who, if we can believe him..., is gonna convince the jihadists that...........ARRRGH, ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dearly hope the pols who secretly fear that the junior Senator from Chicago is the second coming of Mike Dukakis are right.
WR Moore
Wednesday, June 11, 2008, at 01:58:28 (ZULU)
Never liked McCain.
That's all changing very rapidly.
Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Wednesday, June 11, 2008, at 04:25:08 (ZULU)
Damn, I like that!
WR Moore
Wednesday, June 11, 2008, at 06:52:28 (ZULU)
Secrecy over birth certificate, demand for 'natural-born' citizenship cited.
(click)
Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Wednesday, June 11, 2008, at 12:56:08 (ZULU)
Two problems, really.
The first is the seemingly deep seated need for americans to be fed a nice, short sentence that summs things up--with little effort, little curiousity needed. This makes any charge that connects two or more dots useless as an argument. It just doesn't sink in. Obama can say whatever he wants about himself--people will just clap and want more.
Two, Obama is running opposite of every indicator in his entire life, and has allies willing to cover for him at every turn.
None of the little "disractions" (as he calls them, trying to make the issue the messenger rather than the message itself, successfully so far at that) will alter his trajectory as long as number one remains in effect. No islamic law read of his religion, no Rezko, No weathermen, no racist church affiliation, not even his own written words will filter past this mental block in the electorate---as long as the MSM gives him this pass on these things. |For the masses to see past his smooth delivery of rehearsed lines---it must be pounded into their heads. And i for one do not see any chance of this.
Politics of a more fun nature: Click. I have met a few AF-types whom I thought highly of, and many who I found useful at times. But, on the whole--I could do without the airfarce entirely. Marines, soldiers and swabbies will always trade barbs, bitch about each other, and generally proclaim their supremacy over the next; but the AF in the GWOT was an impediment at every turn. Tons of the friction comes from the 120-day rotation policy---nobody gets past incompetence on the learning curve before they move into indifference days away from going home. Deal with that a few times, and you wonder if they wanna be irrelevent. Heheh, attitude is everything, and knowing who else is on your team helps a bunch too. Everyone plays well together with one glaring exception. And, it is an institutional problem--not an "individual" problem. Gates just sent a message. Good for him. Now lets see if they are dumb enough to push back...
Joe M
Wednesday, June 11, 2008, at 18:50:42 (ZULU)
The only branch of the USAF that's been relevant in the current fight.
Now, I don't want to surrender air superiority to the Chicoms but the USAF has to understand that there's planes other than zoomies and that they need to pay less than $250mil per unit for them. S/F.....Ken M
Ken M
Wednesday, June 11, 2008, at 23:55:46 (ZULU)
Dad had one of the first Buck 110 folders to come out. He kept it shaving sharp and could skin a squirrel faster than anyone I have ever seen.
But he didn't like the sharp edges of the handle scales. He thought the knife too thick for pocket carry and didn't like the way it rubbed holes in his Levis; so he thinned it down and rounded the edges off on his belt sander.
Had a leather lanyard hanging out of his pocket so he could access it quick.
He worked as a process operator at a petro-chemical refinery and counted many dull hours away sharpening that knife and practicing getting it out of his pocket.
Wore the blade down thin from sharpening, using it.
We had family in El Cajon, California at the time and that was where the Buck factory was back then.
On a vacation visit, Dad went over and they put a brand new blade in for him.
Dad, my little brother (9yoa) and I later went down to La Jolla Beach.
Beautiful place. Seals resting on the rocks after swimming down from Alaska. Girls everywhere. (I was 15)
There is a large waterbreak/sea wall there and my brother and several other small kids were mimicking the seals sounds and just being kids. Not many seals in Texas.
I was down a ways ... heading back to my brother while gawking at the California cuties.
Some Berkley looking guy in a trench coat (in July) was close to the kids and told them to "Shut up and leave the seals alone, as they were tired from swimming".
The kids ignored him and kept on as little kids will do.
I noticed Dad started easing that way when assface told the kids to shut up.
Well, this cat walks up and grabs my brother by the nape of the neck and picks him up ... bad move.
He says " I told you to shut up and leave those seals alone"
He then set my little brother down (not so gently) and turned to walk away. When he did so, he turned around on the point of that shaving sharp Buck 110.
Dad had it out before the guy turned around and under his chin so fast the movement was barely visible.
My Dad's face was stone cold. I had never seen that look before ... nor have I seen it since.
Dad had this strange look on his face and he slowly leaned his head from side to side, staring right through the guy ... maniacal ... but with absolutely no emotion ... like he was deciding where to start.
You could see this guy's pulse in his throat.
After a few seconds, Dad lifted the guy's chin straight up with the point of the knife right on the point of the guy's jawline.
Then he told the guy.
"Mister if you touch my kid again ... I am going to cut you into little pieces and feed you to those goddamned seals"
Then he pushed the guy away with the point of the knife, leaving the knife pointed in the guy's face and a decent scratch on his neck as he did so.
The guy sprinted away.
Dad said "Let's go see what else we can get into kids" ... like it never even happened.
My Dad was killed two weeks ago in a car crash.
He fell asleep at the wheel coming home from seeing some friends, left the roadway, hit a tree and his car flipped upside down into the bayou and he drowned.
He's with my Mom now.
He died the way he lived. Over 200 Harleys at his funeral.
The Buck 110 is in my curio cabinet.
Godspeed Pop.
I miss you terribly.
brian k. sain
Thursday, June 12, 2008, at 03:59:13 (ZULU)
My eyes are leaking a little and I'm speechless. That's a hell of a dad story. Sorry about your dad, been there and have the T-shirt.
Time to SSS, Bolt out.
Bolt
NC, - Thursday, June 12, 2008, at 10:34:59 (ZULU)
Damn! My heart goes out to you and you'll be in my prayers.
Doc
Doc Holloway
The cloudy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Thursday, June 12, 2008, at 12:27:50 (ZULU)
I know we've had our differences, but I'm tuly sorry for your loss. I like to think that when my Dad died, it was better than the indignity of dying of old age.
Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, June 12, 2008, at 13:21:08 (ZULU)
I am so very, very sorry to hear about your loss. I have been down that road and the walk is long an lonely. Time helps but the wound is always tender. My prayers and thoughts will be with you, God bless.
Pat
Thursday, June 12, 2008, at 17:19:58 (ZULU)
I am sorry to hear of your loss. Your father is still with you. We see him every day in you and what you do.
I say a special prayer for him and your family.
Trajan Aurelius
East Bay, CA, USA!! - Thursday, June 12, 2008, at 18:04:53 (ZULU)
I am very sorry to hear about your loss. It has been almost 2 years since I lost my dad...Remember the good times ya'll had together..it will ease the pain some, least it has for me.
Bobby Whittington
Grandfield, Ok, USA - Thursday, June 12, 2008, at 18:52:39 (ZULU)
Travis, if we ever had a difference over anything, I didn't remember it.
You are all just fine with me.
Godspeed pals.
bk
brian k. sain
Thursday, June 12, 2008, at 19:30:36 (ZULU)
SCOTUS had a weird ruling today. I guess POW and unlawful combatants just got a new status in this country--and this country alone, i might add. So, in keeping with the Geneva conventions and the Hague--we have little choice but to "off" every last asshat who shoots at us while dressed in any clothing other than the uniform of a state's military force.
This is no way to wage a war...man, this shit continues to piss me off. First, it was Kelo, now this. Wouldn't surprise me now if they just repeal the second entirely with that upcoming DC ruling.
Joe M
Thursday, June 12, 2008, at 23:05:57 (ZULU)