Sniper Country Duty Roster

June 2007

WARNING,WARNING, WARNING..SHORT NOTICE, SHORT NOTICE

2100 EST History Channel INTERNATIONAL "Worlds Deadliest Snipers"

Dno't know if it'll be any good but thought I'd pass it on!

Sarge

Sarge
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Friday, June 1, 2007, at 01:45:17 (ZULU)

Lito - I've got two pair of those Soviet bins imported by that guy on the other shooting site...damn good glass for a $100 US.

medicjim
Friday, June 1, 2007, at 02:15:44 (ZULU)

Bravo,

Let me get this straight. You want to make time with a babe, who is a shooter. And you're tapping, teasing, and licking knockers to work up a load? Just be sure to be on target before you pull the trigger.... :8-o

Duman
Friday, June 1, 2007, at 02:51:04 (ZULU)

Guys,

If I had reloading tools with knockers, my with would never see me!

Click my name. If you can get used to this, it ought to cure you of flinching with your rifle!

MarcS.,

Don't give up on her until you're having hallway sex exclusively. That's when you walk by, and she says,"FUCK YOU!", and you say, "Fuck you, too!"

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, June 1, 2007, at 03:20:25 (ZULU)

Bravo,

Sounds like a plan. Let's get it going.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Friday, June 1, 2007, at 05:26:46 (ZULU)

Travis...

>" Don't give up on her until you're having hallway sex exclusively. That's when you walk by, and she says,"FUCK YOU!", and you say, "Fuck you, too!""<

Then I guess me and my "Ex" are still having sex ;)))

On the Phugle-Miester 600... just proves that some people have too much time on their hands ;)

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, June 1, 2007, at 11:15:32 (ZULU)

SPEW ALERT! Swallow your coffee and set down your cup before clicking my name. I think I woke uo my wife, laughing.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, June 1, 2007, at 11:43:30 (ZULU)

'lito's "Hole in the socks" gang broke my 700 CDL Ltd 17 Fireball outta jail today! ;)

Damn cute!!

The stock is like the old Winchester African of 20+ years ago, with the cross pegs and all. Nice black forend too... not plastic - WOOD!

Gonna glass bed it, float it, put the new Nikon 6.5-20x44 on it, and do the trigger... probably shoot it next week (if I can find the time).

I have it apart for a chamber cast and to do the trigger...

It's a nice break from court shit!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, June 1, 2007, at 23:58:30 (ZULU)

That's great news 'Lito. Glad to hear you can get some good time in at the gun bench with trigger time right after. I'm sure you must need it.

I'm thinking about getting my next scope now with an MOA based reticle and knobs. I'm way more familiar with MOA than MILS so I think it makes sense. The only problem is I can't find anything like a Mil-Dot master that works with minutes to range targets. Do you guys know of anything like that? If not maybe someone could talk to Lou Anne about it.

I called Nightforce to thank them for the gift certificate I won at the match and discussed some options I'd like to see in the future. Really nice people to talk to and very helpful. I was told I could send in my certificate for a free reticle change if I'd like right now and then decide which model I want later. Felt like I was talking to folks at a small company that cares about it's customer base.

Marc

MarcS
East S.F Bay area, CA, - Saturday, June 2, 2007, at 04:43:35 (ZULU)

Marc: the Mildot Master works just fine with MOA reticles. The scales on the right wide of the MDM are graduated in both mils and MOA.

Instead of lining the target size in inches up with the milliradian image size on the right side of the slot, line it up with the MOA size on the left, and then read the target range next to the RANGE arrow on the left slot. Works great.

Lindy
RV-nomadic, On The Road, U.S.A. - Saturday, June 2, 2007, at 13:36:27 (ZULU)

RIFFLE RAFFLE...?

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Saturday, June 2, 2007, at 14:56:22 (ZULU)

What Larry said ! ++++++++++++++++++

Regards,

Joisey

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, US of A - Saturday, June 2, 2007, at 21:04:02 (ZULU)

All - Raffles...there are:

1. a pistol raffle -- dam nice prize package too... designed to be a slow cooker raffle....

2. a rifle raffle -- niiiiiiiceeeeee rifle... dam nice setup.... coming soon, much shorter fuse on the time.

3. Wildcard raffle... Not sure about this just yet -- but I have a Steyer FAL (PreBan) that needs to be gotten rid of... We could run this one as a rapid fire raffle, send the $$ to American Snipers.org. I have to pay for the rifle, but got it at a good price....

Ima thinking about turning that wildcard raffle on - for say only a week. The other two - are also coming... soon... The $$ for those is also aimed at American Snipers.org

take care all

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, USofA Under God - Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 00:11:47 (ZULU)

Thanks Lindy for pointing out what I guess should have been obvious!

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 03:07:51 (ZULU)

Guys,

Looks like I'm finally gonna get a chronograph. I only wanna buy once. Which is the best?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 03:10:29 (ZULU)

Travis...

Of what's available now, get the CED, and the software from the same people.

Good stuff.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 04:34:42 (ZULU)

'lito,

A friend of mine gave me a Pact Professional about a year ago when he got out of shooting. What do you think of that model?

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 04:40:03 (ZULU)

MarxS...

I don't think much of pact chronos.

I would not own one.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 06:01:06 (ZULU)

Ken M: Reply posted. Short answer: 67.

CDC'
Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 06:29:44 (ZULU)

Click my name if you want a .243 barrel for an M1A or M-14. I bet that'd be a cool coyote gun.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 08:04:38 (ZULU)

Lito,

Congrats on the Fireball, my favorite cartouche. Just curious, do you chamber cast all of your rifles? I'd like to do it on a couple of mine, but haven't taken the time to learn the process.

Duman

Duman
Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 13:17:54 (ZULU)

Knotty problem solution.

http://www.animatedknots.com/knotlist.php?

Regards,

Joisey

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, US of A - Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 14:10:45 (ZULU)

CED? Could you elaborate on that?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 15:19:34 (ZULU)

Duman...

>"Congrats on the Fireball, my favorite cartouche."<

I have a Rem "Classic" .221 FireBall riffle, and this 17 Fireball... and I had one of the original XP-100 pistolas (which I sold in a prime moment of serious stupid!)

>"Just curious, do you chamber cast all of your rifles? I'd like to do it on a couple of mine, but haven't taken the time to learn the process."<

No... not all of them.

But this is a different case (That's a Pun, son ;) - The .17 FireBall cases are a bit longer than the .221 cases necked down to .17 (by about ~0.025")... and factory .17 Fireball cases won't be available for a year, cuz Rem is loading all they can make - and even .221 FB cases have completely dried up, cuz guys are buying all they can get to make 17 FB cases.

This round has TAKEN OFF!!!

It was a case (another pun ;) of difficult timing for Remington.

They released the round and rifles for it, around January... and they weren't sure of how it would take off, considering the poor sales of the full sized 17 Rem.

They knew it would sell (cuz the wildcat .17 MK4 is VERY popular), but they were cautious about how much resources to commit to the ammo.

Well... they released the .17 FireBall in January, and it is easily the best Prairie Dog and Ground Squirrel cartridge EVER put on the commercial market.

The Gun Rag "Pundits" say... "(Yawn) Who needs a 17 FireBall"... but the Prairie Dog and ground squirrel shooters say, "It's about time, assholes, where's my checkbook".

AND... to make matters worse, they release the gun and ammo a few months before the Ground squirrel and Prairie dog seasons open up after the winter.

So Remington has been SWAMPED with gun and ammo orders. I was talkin' to a guy that bought $900 (at $27 a box ) in factory ammo for a 3 day ground squirrel shoot two weeks ago. (That's a serious dose of "winter cabin fever" medicine) ;)))

So the long and short of it is that I have decided to make cases from .223, and so I wanted to know exactly how long the chamber is (to the mouth step), so I could cut the brass to the longest length.

And while I'm at it, since I will have to turn the necks, I want the necks to match (-0.002") the neck diameter of the chamber, so the case will have a 0.001" clearance, so I needed the dia of the chamber neck too.

It is not hard to do chamber casts, I just find it to be a real messy pain in the ass.

CED chronographs are good Juju.

Go here:

http://www.shootingsoftware.com/

The owner of the site, Jim Ristow (sp), is friggin' brilliant

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 15:51:23 (ZULU)

Joisey Steve,

Cool link, I put in my faves. Gonna run through it with the kids for a while.

FWI, plug for Mark Garrity. Just recieve new IWB holster and appears to be outstanding quality for the $$$. He`ll make anything you want in any skin you want, but I`ll warn you about the wait. Not for those in a hurry.

www.garritysgunleather.com

Steve Racer
Somewhere in Dillsburg, PA, - Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 18:45:12 (ZULU)

Speaking of plugs for good work --- I recently received an order of Mike Miller's Tactical Intervention slings... one word - EXCELLENT.

Mike -- that's workmanship that i have not seen in a long time. You all that don't have one of Mike's slings -- get/borrow/steal one and check it out.

Building expansion is about to start -- ie garage addition so that I can actually stand up a gun shop for work and some orders. Yes - Mike's slings will be available for local sale here @ my shop....

take care all

(pay attention to the raffle noise... especially that rapid fire raffle.... those have a way of sneaking up on ya).

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, US of A - Under God - Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 21:38:13 (ZULU)

For anyone who came in late, the main benefit of Mike's slings is that they were designed by a top tactical shooter for tactical applications. For these heavy beasts, Mike has the answer. Click my name.

CDC'
Monday, June 4, 2007, at 00:11:44 (ZULU)

Chrony;

I have been using a CED Millenium for a few years now. I agree with 'lito, it's a great set up.

Jody Calhoun
Saraland, AL-Heart of Dixie, USA - Monday, June 4, 2007, at 01:07:06 (ZULU)

What all accessories have you guys found you need with the CED chrony? Looks like a pretty good deal for only $200.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, June 4, 2007, at 06:04:16 (ZULU)

Trav...

I'm gonna order the soft case for the CED, and the IR kit.

It has been my experence (with ALL chronos, except my first) that the angle of the sun, clouds, and where in the triangle your bullet passes, and whether your lady is on the "you know what", all effect the readings, both in accuracy, and whether the damn thing reads at all...

Bravo and I have had a number of long distance calls (on MY NICKEL ;) about the problems of the receptor angle "depth" of the cells, and we are convinced (and can make the argument) that the "Fore/aft" acceptance zone varies, and with that, the trip point on the signal varies, and that is a source of error.

The IR unit will eliminate that, because the source it a thin slit, instead of a wide zone.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, June 4, 2007, at 12:45:27 (ZULU)

Microsoft Terraserver isn't working for me. Can someone click my name and see if it works for them. Does anyone know of any free topo map/aerial photo site?

TIA.

Pablo: What's the best price you have found for this CED gizzie?

CDC'
Monday, June 4, 2007, at 13:09:21 (ZULU)

CDC:

>>>System Error detected while attempting search.

The error has been reported to the system administrator.

We apologize for the inconvenience<<<

Doesn't work for me either.

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Monday, June 4, 2007, at 13:52:33 (ZULU)

CDC, thanks for kind words on my slings. I trully appreciate it.

Ken, was glad to send you slings. Glad to have you on board as a dealer. You have supported me and my website for years.

For those that dont know. My company was started on here because some real good guys here talked me into it. Gooch said drop the leather and go to Nylon. Best move I ever made on my slings.

Rick said to change a few things to make it more military proof.

The rest of the men just said what they thought.

Sniper Country is a great place.

Undude/Mike

MikeMiller
Ca, - Monday, June 4, 2007, at 14:45:10 (ZULU)

Lito,

So the suggested CED kit to order looks like this: (?)

CED M2 Chronograph With Skyscreens

RSI Shooting Lab for Windows

CED Infrared Lighting Option

CED Chronograph Carry Case

Anything else?

Duman
Monday, June 4, 2007, at 17:02:25 (ZULU)

CDC, Google earth is the only site I have tried till the one you mentioned which did not work for me either.

Dirty Steve........

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Monday, June 4, 2007, at 17:55:37 (ZULU)

CDC, Try clicking on my name.

It should show the land my house is on.

Using a terra server site.(Edited now it shows where I live.)

Edited again took off the url..

Dirty Steve

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Monday, June 4, 2007, at 18:23:18 (ZULU)

Duman...

If you want 4 foot spacing, then get the extension thingies.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, Da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, June 4, 2007, at 19:02:58 (ZULU)

CDC,

Try this one...http://local.live.com

UnPat

UnPat
WI, USA - Monday, June 4, 2007, at 19:43:18 (ZULU)

Guys,

Watch out about using google earth. I downloaded the google stuff, and it slowed my computer down to a crawl. Plus, it didn't work for shit.

'Lito,

If you're getting 4 foot spacing, it don't matter how fast your bullets are going, LOL.

So, am I to understand that the IR doohickey will help to reduce external influences on the chrony?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, June 5, 2007, at 02:03:49 (ZULU)

Dan,

All fees paid for the event in October...

Michael
Tuesday, June 5, 2007, at 02:45:06 (ZULU)

Thanks for the response on the map sites. Unpat's was the only one I could get to work.

CDC'
Tuesday, June 5, 2007, at 02:54:10 (ZULU)

I wish I would have went ahead and got the carry case for the CED. I'm still carrying it around in a cardboard box. Hasn't hurt it though. I have the IR set up for it too. Reads don't seem to be nearly as erratic.

Jody Calhoun
Saraland, AL-Heart of Dixie, USA - Tuesday, June 5, 2007, at 03:13:50 (ZULU)

Interesting story on a Canadian company doing private security in Iraq. Click my name.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=24511a9c-8dc6-4aae-9eb4-1b5801332ae4&p=1

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, June 5, 2007, at 04:09:23 (ZULU)

On one of the other websites that I visit, one of the guys started a thread of "Show us pictures of your loading area".

So guys took pictures of their loading corners, rooms, whatever.

Damn, how do they keep a loading place that clean?? I mean Martha Stewart would breath funny, looking at some of these guy's loading benches...

... I can't remember the last time I even SAW the top of my loading bench.

I mean is it plywood or masonite??

:((

So yesterday, I decided to start my "Bicentennial loading room cleaning marathon" a few years early.

I found 600 pcs of new .223 Lapua brass that I forgot I had. That's a good thing, cuz I was just about gonna to order 500 pcs. I am ahead $185 (for a change).

But after tossing out a few barrels of garbage, I came across two boxes of unfired Remington 243 (100gr Power point) factory ammo.

Now the odd thing about this find is NOT that it is factory ammo, though that is pretty scarce here. I was the price stickers...

... $3.15 a box - LIST PRICE!!

So I got to feelin' old, and decided that this cleaning up shit is over rated anyway, so I gave up on that!

The hell with Martha Stewart, she ain't my type anyway.

But in the process, I started getting my dies straightened out (a major career move in it's own right), and swapping a few scopes around on a few rifles.

Threw a bunch of brass in the polisher,

... life is good!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, June 5, 2007, at 12:33:51 (ZULU)

Lito,

Didn't you loose a die the last time you cleaned up? Let us know what you lost this time.

I have a 2 foot square area around my reloader that is semi neat. Just stuff that needs to be handy for the loading currently in progress. The rest looks like a tornado just came through. The casing machine take up space and the bullet luber and all the assorted parts to each thing plus random junk. I have 6 bottles of Lee Tumble lube sitting on the bench. Can not recall the last time I used any of that. I am afraid to loook at the price tag.

Rod,

They are hiring Iraqis for security? Thats like hiring a wolf to gard your sheep flock. Sure he may just want the job but he may tell the other wolves when best to grab a meal!

Dirty Steve...........

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Tuesday, June 5, 2007, at 16:11:31 (ZULU)

Dirty Steve:

Concur, hiring locals is just too big a risk from the POV of vetting, let alone all the other issues.

Fox guarding the henhouse syndrome...

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, June 5, 2007, at 22:34:19 (ZULU)

Interesting...

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3149487

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, June 5, 2007, at 22:35:43 (ZULU)

Lito,

"... $3.15 a box - LIST PRICE!!"

You musta picked those up about the time the 243 was introduced. I wonder what other treasures lie buried in your reloading room.... lot's of history there, I'll bet.

Duman
Tuesday, June 5, 2007, at 22:59:54 (ZULU)

CDC

I've had good luck with Teera Fly www.terrafly.fiu.edu

Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Wednesday, June 6, 2007, at 00:30:42 (ZULU)

If you just hate the guys that HAVE to talk trash or fuck around before fighting, CLICK MY NAME!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, June 6, 2007, at 05:31:41 (ZULU)

'lito- Thanks for the honest response on Pact chrony's. I will consider a new one at a later date but I'll wait until Oehler comes out with the new improved model I heard about. My wish list of goodies grows faster than I can chew it down.

I guess you could say that SCLE #26 is now officially dead. First I swapped out the loopy for a Nightforce, then the A1 stock for an A5, and now it's in George's shop getting a makeover. When I get it back it will be a 26" barrelled .243 with a brake and the Badger DBM floor metal with a couple of 10 rd. AICS magazines. So now the only thing left original is the action, mounts and trigger. That rifle was a great deal when I first had it. I hate to think about what I have into it now but I think I could have just about bought another rifle.

Here's what really sucks- I miss having the M40A1 that it was! I love my boat paddle range queen now and I know it can win any match in the country but I want another A1 stocked .308 real bad. What a dumbass. I still have the barrel and floor metal from it so I'll start collecting the other parts and have one built up someday. Maybe I'll find somebody with another SCLE that has been sitting in the safe for too long who knows.

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Wednesday, June 6, 2007, at 06:03:37 (ZULU)

Travis- That guy is so big and strong that a little swat hits like a truck.

Here is the hardest single shot knock out I've ever seen. Turn the sound up and don't blink.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TPxkEkGUeZU&mode=related&search=

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Wednesday, June 6, 2007, at 06:10:25 (ZULU)

Sit DOWN, bitch! That KO rocked.

I had a guy charge me once. Took 2 steps, brought one up from the floor, he did a backwards arc, landed on his head, KO'd. Too bad. He was a pretty good guy, but he made me hit him. We're friends, now.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, June 6, 2007, at 09:34:57 (ZULU)

MarcS...

>"...but I'll wait until Oehler comes out with the new improved model I heard about."<

Ain't happening.

It's amazing how fast rumors travel on the internet. BS goes around the world five times, before the truth gets to the front door.

After the SHOT SHOW, I read a thread on some board, that some guy had a friend that knew a guy that was sitting next to a guy in a dinner, who's sister was sleeping with a guy that had a booth next to Oehler, and HE SAID...

Don't wait - call Oehler, and ASK THEM!!

Then buy a CED.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, June 6, 2007, at 14:18:25 (ZULU)

"But after tossing out a few barrels of garbage...."

Lito, only do that from the kitchen (or ex-wive's closets), never from the basement or the garage! You WILL throw something out you will later regret!

Maj. Joe/Boris......

The closer we get to election time, the more we need your insight, and your finely tuned skills of observation and reporting. Come on back to the roaster, even if it is only once a week (we meet every night)! Hope all is well.....

More stupid laws from our idiots in Hartford. Be unfortunate enough to have one of your firearms stolen, and you (the legal owner) can be charged with a crime if not reported quickly enough. Shit, they won't put the criminal behind bars, but they are willing to prosecute a victim?

Some of these fools are salivating at the thought of complete registration. Sorry for the vent.....

Les
CT, - Wednesday, June 6, 2007, at 15:29:05 (ZULU)

Major Joe, What Les said. I second the motion.

Edited to correct initials.

HDR

HDR
OK, - Wednesday, June 6, 2007, at 16:23:57 (ZULU)

Those of you who have ever owned a British motor vehicle - click on my name for a link to some Lucas Electric humor.

Cheers!

Lindy
RV-Nomadic, On the Road, U.S.A. - Wednesday, June 6, 2007, at 21:28:16 (ZULU)

Lindy,

Sir. You have made my day! As a very slow learner, my first four cars were British. A Sprite, an MG Midget, a TR-4, and an XKE. I know the Prince of Darkness all too well. ;o( That is one great article and if I can stop laughing long enough I'll pass it on to some of my similarly affected friends. If, in your wanderings, you happen to come thru Missouri, please give me a call and stop by.

Thanks & Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Wednesday, June 6, 2007, at 22:48:57 (ZULU)

Travis: reminds me of a dog my granddad had...Airdale... his fighting method was much the same, and I don't recall he ever lost!

Lindy: I've had a '56 Austin Healy 100-6, a 67 Triumph T120, and a 71 Norton Commando...the Healy and Norton at the same time, and my Mom had a 67 XKE (!?). "bout spewed when I read that. Thought the "Prince of Darkness" club was pretty exclusive, but maybe not...everyone must be "in the closet" (enjoying the darkness?).

Good stuff on a dreary day!

Steve

SteveinButte
Butte, MT, 'Merica - Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 00:43:22 (ZULU)

Why do the British drink warm beer??

Answer...Lucas makes refrigerators,also.

Between me,my father and brother we own 9 motorcycles...5 Triumphs,2 BSA's and 2 Harley....The most brits I could ever keep running at one time and still hold a full time job was 5.And that full time job was shop foreman at a Brit Bike shop....

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 02:10:38 (ZULU)

I are too a member of the "Prince of Darkness" club.

MGA MK-II, two BSA Gold Star Clubmans, one Matchless 500 Scrambler, a Norton 600 Twin, and a Norton 500 Manx...

... and a flashlight!!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 02:24:06 (ZULU)

Guys,

Q: You know why the brits don't make computers, dontcha?

A: They can't figure out how to make them leak oil!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 04:56:47 (ZULU)

MarcS,

"Maybe I'll find somebody with another SCLE that has been sitting in the safe for too long who knows."

You may have found your man. If you're serious let me know via roster mail.

Thanks,

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 05:23:17 (ZULU)

'Lito

Some very nice rides....Them Goldstars are worth some really big bucks right now,And so is that Manx.I also owned a Atlas motored Matchless,but this was the chopper from hell, 14 over springer and hardtail...so I sold that one off...Me,Local PD, and kidneys are all on speaking terms again...

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 05:48:37 (ZULU)

Thanks JC I can't do it right now but I wish I could. I hope you still have it when I can afford it 'cuz I want it really bad.

Thanks Lito for the straight scoop, AGAIN.

I had my hernia surgery this morning. Not too bad. Worst parts are the sore throat from the air tube and the side effects of the pain killers. I've been so dizzy and groggy that I only want to sleep. I can't believe some people enjoy this feeling so much they take this shit when they're healthy. Every time I try to get up and move around I get really weak, dizzy and pasty white so I stopped trying. Maybe tomorrow.

I'm hoping to get to the range on Sunday to help out my friend with his first rifle. It might happen.

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 07:52:37 (ZULU)

UnPat...

I got a case of nostalgia a while back (actually, it's a re-occurring thing like Malaria)... and went to a classic motorcycle show, looking for a Gold Star Clubman, or a Manx... 24k for a nice Gold Star, and 55k for a cream puff Manx.

There was a Cushman that I could afford :((

I took my $7,500 and went home :((

A local "Classics motor house" had a very nice Vincent Black Shadow in 98% for 11k - it was a bargain.

When I was a kid, you'd find these toys in front of most any bar in my neighborhood.

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 11:15:40 (ZULU)

"There was a Cushman that I could afford :(("

Mopeds.... kinda like ugly girls. Fun to ride, but you don't want your friends to see you on one.

Duman
Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 14:40:20 (ZULU)

Marc S.-

I could never understand how people could get to liking pain killers either. They mess up my awareness, which makes me paranoid.

Don't try shooting so soon. From what I understand, a hernia is a real bitch to fix a second time, but fairly easy to tear up.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 14:49:34 (ZULU)

Duman...

>"Mopeds.... kinda like ugly girls. Fun to ride, but you don't want your friends to see you on one."<

Definitely fun to ride. They aim to please (it might be the last they get in a while)... they always welcome you back - and no flowers, no expensive restaurants, and "no headaches".

;)))

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 15:19:12 (ZULU)

I had a girlfriend with an MGB-GT, which I replaced a couple of Lucas fuel pumps on before giving up and switching to Bosch. I owned a BSA 441 Victor thumper and a BSA 650 Lightning. It's a lot of fun to ride down the road with a spanner in hand, tightening up bits as they vibrated loose. I also raced a friend's Austin-Healy Sprite and a Mini-Cooper - the original one.

I think it's most accurate to say that British motor vehicles have...character.

Lindy
RV-Nomadic, On the Road, U.S.A. - Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 16:09:46 (ZULU)

Morning rosterfarians!

Got a funky question for you, especially you Canadian types! One of my buddies has a 338 barrel he’s selling, and I’m not quite sure what to make of it. It’s a new, unthreaded barrel from a guy named (Rob?) McLennan in Ontario. I was told it was a 1:10” match grade stainless button rifled / hand lapped barrel of top-flight quality… although I don’t typically think of ‘button rifled’ and ‘top flight’ normally together, I have to admit my Douglas has been really good in that regard. Anyway, it’s a 28” blank, supposed to be 27” usable. I thought that was a bit short, but noticed ArmaLite uses one just a touch shorter for their 338. So does anyone know anything about this tube? I wouldn’t ask except for two things... first off, my buddy is kind of a jerk – he gave me a 338 Lapua dummy round and I’ve been thinking of building one ever since – so he costs me money! But then he’s not wanting much at all for this tube, just to get a little bit of dough out of it, ‘cause he’s had it so long and hasn’t done anything with it. But what I don’t know about the Lapdog would fill volumes. Another question – since the Lapdog is so much longer than a WinMag, could a Winchester 300WM action even be used realistically for a Lapdog project?

Any takers?

Interestingly, running the numbers on the Lapdog on Sierra Infinity, I get that it has the same drop at 1K (I used the data from Hodgdon’s website – 300gr SMK at 2700 fps) as the Swede. It just does it with less windage. Not a bunch but a good bit. I just doubt that the Lapdog is something I could run without a big ‘ol brake ;-)

Catching up here... on the powder throwers, I’ll play, but after I get back from vacation. I’d hope we have more than a few! I got a note from a ‘Yote hunter observing from his hide, he said the old Lyman was the way to go. I’ve been watching ‘em on ebay since I got the note, so don’t you guys go and outbid me! We’ll try one of those too ;-)

Jim, my friend, when you get the info together, I’ll push really hard on this end. Even if I need to do it on my own (leave of absence kind of thing) ‘cause I figure that kind of experience is worth it. Better living through chemistry! HA!

Duman, I’m not making time with anyone, just trying to help out. She’s actually the wife of a great friend of mine...

Mike’s slings – YUP! Great stuff. I’ve got to find the OD cuff for my other one, or else someone ain’t gonna be too happy with me here soon. When it comes to slings, I use Mike’s every chance I get. Heck, I even mentioned that I liked his CQB sling best of all I tried. But as far as the best part about the sling, it has to be the SPEED. I used the quick cuff on a rack grade ’14 not long ago at a 2 day position shooting mini-course. It didn’t do anything I couldn’t have done with my old Turner slings, it just did it FAST-FAST. Well, that and when you get it adjusted perfectly, there’s no resetting the sling keepers to keep tension or any of that BS, just literally plug and play. The only thing I haven’t figured out is how to slip an inch or so in and out when going between kneeling (my hips and knees don’t do sitting as well as they ought to) and prone. Doing it is easy – but I’m not fast at it. Luckily, I don’t shoot kneeling much.

Marc, I sure hope you get to doing better! I’m with you, never have understood what draws people to dope. Don’t rush anything and hurt yourself!

And to you two Patrons and the Master that helped me out with my sour stick, I really, REALLY appreciate it. Got her back together last night, and everything done but sighting in. End-all is that the ARMS#22L rings went south, turning a way-way sub-MOA stick into a 2 MOA stick within a month. The LAST new set of Badger medium rings in the country at this point (literally!) came in last night, and got those on. Had to lower the rear sight to provide 11 thou clearance, and still wound up touching after I tightened everything down… got two choices left, ‘cause the rear sight is literally pegged down as low as physically possible in the base – either take a file and hit the forward edge of the bottom of the eyepiece lockring to knock (literally) a few thousandths off, or leave it as-is with the rear sight pegged at full-left travel to get the same clearance. The latter is where I’m headed at this point.

In any case, I did get the ARMS rings back yesterday, and yes, they were different than how I sent them in for rebuild. Makes sense, the rings (the steel parts) were the same but the locking parts (the aluminum parts) were new or rebuilt. The rear ring inspired confidence in the amount of force required to lock it back in – but the front ring didn’t. Rather than chance it, I just went with the Badgers. At least until Mark LaRue finally releases his throw-lever rings, in which case the Badgers will go on a boltgun and the LaRues will go on the ’25. I do have to give the ARMS guys credit for trying to work with me, he did overnight them back and work my rings over fast. Still, the fact that the front ring didn’t take much force (kind of mushy) to lock in last night just has me too skittish – it was such a PITA to diagnose the rings were bad in the first place, I don’t want to live that again!

Bravo
Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 17:30:36 (ZULU)

The real advantage of Brit cars is the adventure they afford. If you have to cross a major city or a couple hundred miles of highway in a, say, Honda CRV, what happens? Answer: Nothing unexpected. What fun is that?

But take the same trip in a MGB GT and anything short of an alien abduction can, and - if you live - WILL happen to you. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you will meet interesting, exotic and potentially dangerous people. You'll have a chance to apply your mechanical, survival, negoiation and H2H combat skills.

It will be great.

CDC'
Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 19:43:07 (ZULU)

Bravo:

Rob McLennen is a well-respected Canadian barrel maker.

A while back, I got him to make me a replacement barrel for my Ruger 77 Mk II in .308 Win. Original brl was around improved cylinder choke :-( Got him to match the original contour, so it's a real "stealth" setup.

With the other work I had done (bedding, lap bolt to full contact, repl trigger), the rifle is now sub-MOA when I use enough scope magnification.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 22:35:10 (ZULU)

CDC and other guys.

As much as we joke about them, I would take an MGA Twin cam over a Porche', a Norton Manx or BSA Clubman, over a HondaSukiyaki Four, and a Moris Minor "Woodie" station wagon over a Honda wagon, any time with no thought!

They gots SOUL!!!

When you tune a pair of SU side draft Carburetors or get into first without grinding gears on an MGA, or change the cam lobe timing on a BSA Clubman... or watch the exposed hairpin springs on a Norton sodium filled valve go "clackety" at idle, you know what I mean .

Those were good days...

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 23:25:27 (ZULU)

Ya'll are masochists, seek help. I fix broken trucks for a living; tinker toy, Rube Goldberg engineering makes me want to kill people. Mainly because those sorry hacks don't have to deal with their sad crap once it's out the factory door and they seem to take perverse pleasure in making things difficult just because they can. Why else would you have metric and also standard fasteners ON THE SAME TRUCK!! Why else would you have pneumatic over hydraulic parking brakes on a hydraulic service brake truck (that's a Lucas/Ford product BTW)? Why else would you have drive shafts where full extraction of the DS bolts traps the wrench against the yoke??(and you need to use a wrench because the last monkey who put it together cross threaded the bolt so you ain't getting it out with finger pressure)

Work smarter, not harder and KISS are phrases to live by. It's cool to have a hobby that takes up your time, but English mechanical devices is a bit too far. S/F....Ken M

BTW, soul doesn't get you lower timeslips ;)

Ken M
IL, USA - Friday, June 8, 2007, at 01:33:52 (ZULU)

Marc S

Whatever you do, don't sneeze. trust me, or maybe you have already.

doug sickels
Friday, June 8, 2007, at 02:00:04 (ZULU)

Ken M,

"Why else would you have metric and also standard fasteners ON THE SAME TRUCK!!"

Hey, you musta been workin' on my GMC front-end, while I wasn't looking! I had ALL my socket/wrench sets out... english, metric, impact, 1/2"-drive, 3/8"-drive, 1/4"-drive, swahili-standard.....

Engine: SAE, Axle: Metric, Finishing the job: Priceless!

Duman
Friday, June 8, 2007, at 02:37:42 (ZULU)

Serious Nostalgic Malaria:

11 Large for a Black Shadow??? Somethin dont sound right,there.11 usually gets ya frame,cases and paper...and the rest in milk crates. I could see a runnin Comet for that,or possibly the Rapide.And sorry,but ya just cant classify a Cushman as a moped......Ya just cant.

The 441 Victor implanted many a knee into chest till ya get the compression release timing down right....And it dont matter how tough ya are,your eyes WILL leak once the kicker gear and spring are worn out and ya get straight legged...Fitting jugs and pistons on Tridents is a good way to entertain yourself for a day...Theres a lesson in patience.So is installing a head and pushrods at same time with a Commando.

Seein all that vintage iron outside of a bar was highly entertaining at closing time...You could always tell who left their fuel one,Who was too drunk and couldnt pass the required coordination test of the startin procedure,Who just showed up and their bike was still warm,and then there was the guy that did the priming kick w/ the key on,and gets launched.Or the guy whose foot slips from the other guys oil leak and gets pinned under his bike.... Yup,definatley better than the sitcoms on t.v today.

"Soul" can get ya lower E.T. slips too...My built to the hilt '72 BSA Lightening 650 has a few class champ trophies to its credit.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, Usa - Friday, June 8, 2007, at 03:04:31 (ZULU)

Bravo,

"I don’t typically think of ‘button rifled’ and ‘top flight’ normally together"

Just don't let the folks at Broughton hear you say that. ;-)

MarcS,

Hope you get well soon.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Friday, June 8, 2007, at 04:55:20 (ZULU)

UnPat,

I used to bounce at a bar in the fancy downtown area here. It's just ridiculous, watching the middle aged dorks that had to get a divorce to get a motorcycle. They're easy to spot. The bikes cost about $35k, and the idiots riding them almost wreck on the uneven brick streets at cruising speeds. (4-6 mph)

Almost as funny as Jim Gaffigan's "beard combover."

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, June 8, 2007, at 05:46:38 (ZULU)

Yahkawhonsu has no soul? Having a soft spot for a '75 Norton Commando is all well and good but click my name for a look at technological poetry.

CDC'
Friday, June 8, 2007, at 13:08:40 (ZULU)

CDC',

I hadn't seen that entry by Kawasaki, very nice. I've been looking at BMW-K1200GT, though i don't care for the 2007 styling changes.

http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/bikes/bike.jsp?b=k1200gt

I wonder what insurance would cost for that Kaw....

Duman
Friday, June 8, 2007, at 15:41:11 (ZULU)

Thanks for the words of encouragement guys. I'm doing fine. They really did a number on the back of my throat with that air tube though. I'm just a carpenter and I know when something doesn't fit you need to slow down and figure out why before you force it. I can just imagine some dumbass trying to jamb a plastic tube down my throat and forcing it down. The edge apparently grabbed the tissue and scraped it open now I have a very annoying flap and raw spot that hurts when I breathe or swallow. My stomach only hurts with certain motions that I've learned to avoid.

One word of advice if you ever go in for abdominal surgery. Ask your doc if you can start on some stool softeners and prune juice right away. Pushing hurts. I wish they would have told me. I'll leave it at that.

None of that shit matters to me right now because all I can think about is the next match. I've got my local long range Sacramento shoot on Sunday July 1st and the big, two day match down south of LA the following weekend. Big prizes at that match. The timing is a little tight for me but I'll be ok. I'm more worried about the rifle. It's arriving at GA Precision today for the new .243 barrel and DBM floor metal. I've got to work up a load and get some dope out to 1K asap. I'm ordering dies, brass, bullets and other stuff for it today so I'll be ready when it gets here. I just need to decide on moly or regular.

I hope these pain killer induced moments of chatter are coming out in a way that can be understood.

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Friday, June 8, 2007, at 15:59:56 (ZULU)

I went out and bought three bricks of CCI BR primers yesterday... $125!!

Ouchie!

We gotta end this war NOW!

;)

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, Da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, June 8, 2007, at 16:23:57 (ZULU)

Marc, glad you are doing better. The throat thing is usual. Not bad on them just happens. The pain there just help proves your not Gay. LOL. July 1st, man maybe I will have my new F Class beast and can send some 308s down range? Hit me up and maybe we can drive together.

Working with new rifle. Catman hold your hat. Its a Lawton Action 375 Chey Tac, in McMillan stock. Damm nice work. I am working for loads that fly well and dont blow primers under any condition. I want to see what the rifle and caliber will do with regular take to war type loads.

Sinsiter, hope all is well and be safe. Just saw a National Geographic piece on Inside Green Berets and the amount of IED's just freakin is crazy. My friend and Godfather to my daughters is on his way back also ( The Stan) and I just wish I could go and watch his back.

Undude/Mike

MikeMiller
Ca, - Friday, June 8, 2007, at 17:55:35 (ZULU)

That Kow looks lethal on both sides. I like motorcycles but I'd have to live way out where there's no people IOT own one. Far too many blue hairs, incompetent drivers and illegals around here to be able to ride a bike without having a 40mm concealed carry gun. The 1st nice summer day this year we had 3 fatal MC accidents to deal with, 2 were not the fault of the deceased. The other was a crotch rocket stolen by some ghetto crawler, no loss there. The owner had the bike insured and was losing interest anyways and one less thug was a good trade, per the owner of the bike.

Duman, I pretty much switched over to all impact sockets, I have a fairly comprehensive set from 3/8" to 3/4" drive, to include about $450 worth of universal 12pt impact sockets, wobble extensions and universal joints IOT get at some of these contraptions with an impact wrench. And still I wind up with the torch, a box end wrench and a cheater bar on some of these south of the border rolling abortions that DOT wants hauled off due to their being insanely unsafe for the road. Nothing's as fun as rolling up for a police tow and seeing an abandoned F250 crew cab full of shrubs and 2 tons of black dirt that the pedros ran from (due to none of them being documented) and getting stuck hauling that thing away to impound. Except maybe when it's a 1988 POS Freightliner with 105% brake wear, 2.7 million miles, tires with 1/32" of tread hauling a box full of wet mulch (maybe 50k lbs).

Gotta love NAFTA. S/F....Ken M

Ken M
IL, USA - Friday, June 8, 2007, at 19:12:09 (ZULU)

Gentlemen,

Had a good time at the Goose Creek Tactical Match, although I got soundly trounced. Sometime you get the bear and sometime bear the bear annihilates you.....

I could no longer resist the temptation and slapped down the money for a super sniper. (Or is it the sooper sniper?) I also ordered TPS rings. Anybody have any experience with them?

Pat II
Friday, June 8, 2007, at 19:43:11 (ZULU)

Pat II,

My only complaint was lack of availability and that was a couple of years back. The people were great and so were the rings.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Friday, June 8, 2007, at 21:41:48 (ZULU)

Travis,

Gonna have to make it point to have mornin coffee BEFORE reading the roster...Beard Combover,LMAO...and yup know the type,My Shovel Bagger puts them in the bar,cryin "Mama" in their drink before the end of the first tankful...

CDC,

Sorry,but...The Super Saki Sushi Slayer does nothing for me....I did my "fast" time,now its just all about gettin there,where ever "there" might be at the moment and what way I take to get "there" is for the front tire to decide.This might also explain some of the reasons the House Mouse gets upset when a simple trip to the store for coffee,takes 5 hours..."Sorry,Sweetums...It was the road,Honest"...Found out "The Road" excuse dont work when late for work...LOL

Ken,Duman,

Seconds on what was said earlier.

All the impacts,sockets and tools are great,but for chassis work the wrench puller's best friend is still a BIG torch.If it dont move,Cut it..

Marc,

Touch late but glad to hear the surgery went well,Hugging a pillow to your belly may help when coughing or sneezing.Good luck w/the new barrel.

UnDude,

Caught that program too....That one should be aired on regular commercial prime time t.v. a few times. Here in Wi,..McCoy is a process point for recruits,A friend of mine is attached there,Says the conditions there would fry your mind.They got IED's all over the place to train/condition...Says it like one of the big bases instead of a little process point...Safe Prayers and thoughts for those over there.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Saturday, June 9, 2007, at 03:32:23 (ZULU)

What can you mugs tell me about Palm Pilots, Pocket PC's and PDA's.

I know less than NOTHING about them.

I'm thinking about getting one to run ballistic software in the field.

What operating systems do they use, and what software do they use... can they run regular software, or does it have to be special written for these little pests?

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, June 9, 2007, at 14:41:49 (ZULU)

Duman: A bike with 152 BHP is just what you need. And don't forget the cyanide tablet.

I'd love a top of the line bike by one of the major manufacturers, but there's no place on this planet to actually ride the thing. Puttering around at 90mph doesn't count.

Pablo: What software do you want to run?

CDC'
Saturday, June 9, 2007, at 15:15:21 (ZULU)

Lito - The three big players are Windows (several flavors designed for compact devices), Palm OS and Blackberry OS. The convergence of regular laptops and handheld devices is proceeding very rapidly. The fall timeframe will see ultra thin laptops with RAM instead of hard-drives...and all manner of integrated handheld devices with laptop like feature sets.... Apple may also get into the fray with their UNIX based OS.

If you buy now, I suggest you either buy used or spend with the understanding that two years from now, the device will be hopelessly outdated and may not even be supported properly.

The good news is that some folks already see the future and the price of gently used stuff is beginning to drop...

medicjim
Saturday, June 9, 2007, at 15:24:37 (ZULU)

Lito, "What can you mugs tell me about Palm Pilots, Pocket PC's and PDA's.

I know less than NOTHING about them."

They are costly and require batteries/charging!

Seems I knew a little more than you but not much. Haha.

Dirty Steve.........

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Saturday, June 9, 2007, at 18:17:00 (ZULU)

'Lito -

The three best known programs for PDA use in the field are HorusVision Atrag, Perry Systems' Exbal - which is the same program packaged by Nightforce - and Lex Talus Field Firing Solutions (FFS).

Atrag is the most expensive, and offers nothing which the other two programs do not offer - and the others have features Atrag does not.

The most feature-rich program, which runs only on a Pocket P.C., is FFS. I recommend a Pocket P.C. running Windows Mobile 5.0. They are made by HP/Compaq as the Ipaq, and Dell. Dell has recently decided to stop selling their Pocket P.C. platform, the X51, but they are still available both new and used. HP/Compaq is still in the business.

You can see the manual for the FFS software here:

http://www.precisionworkbench.com/Download/Manuals/FFS%20Manual.pdf

If you look at the main screen, if gives you a firing solution in both MOA and mils for both elevation and windage.

It has the best file capabilities, saving load profiles, atmospheric profiles, and turret profiles, which are handy for scopes like the Leupold M1, which have multi-turn turrets which nominally adjust in MOA but are really calibrated in Inches per Hundred Yards. The turret output will tell you which turn and which click you should be on for a given MOA.

FFS also has an explicit mechanism to tune the program output to your field-derived shooting data. With other programs, you have to tune the muzzle velocity or the bullet B.C. to make the program output match your field data.

It incorporates the temperature sensitivity of your muzzle velocity, if you know it, into the firing solution.

Once you put in a wind direction, it calculates a wind card for winds from the state direction varying from 0 to 25 mph, so you can see the effect of wind gusts.

It will take direct bearing/range, map data, and/or GPS data for FFP and target positions, and calculate a range card for you. Double-click on a target on the range card, and it calculates a firing solution for that target.

Master Rick helped to specify the feature set of the program, which I have just briefly touched on.

Perry Systems Exbal is also a very good program, and is available in versions for both the Pocket P.C. and Palm Pilots.

http://www.perry-systems.com

Platforms are in flux. The PDA world is being subsumed by "smart" phones. However, none of the "smart" phones which run Windows Mobile will run the ballistic programs. However, the Palm Treo with the Palm OS will run both Exbal and Atrag versions.

There is supposed to be a Pocket P.C. version of Atrag - but their web site has no information on cost or availability, but I suspect from past experience that it will be expensive.

I run both FFS and Exbal on a Dell platform, with FFS in use most often. If the Dell craters, I'll go to the Ipaq, as a Windows Mobile platform has the most utility for me as a PDA - it will run Excel spreadsheets, and has synchronization with Microsoft Outlook utilities.

If you want a high-end, mil-spec Pocket P.C. platform, check out this site:

http://www.tdsway.com/products

For just ballistic software, a Palm Pilot platform running Exbal would be both less complicated and expensive.

If you have other questions, drop me an email note. If you've misplaced my direct address, the site email works.

Lindy
RV-Nomadic, On the Road, U.S.A. - Saturday, June 9, 2007, at 20:17:40 (ZULU)

Lito:

The executive summary for Lindy's excellent speil would be:

- Pick the software candidate(s), then see what box it's supported on.

MedicJim's point about the technology change is dead-on. Saw an announcement for a flash-based mini laptop that has a target retail of $US190! There are market forces (finally!) driving towards low cost, smaller footprint laptop units available thru normal commercial channels.

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9292516116.html

8.6 x 6.5 x 1.3 inches , 7" display, QWERTY keyboard, 2 lbs, 3 hr battery life.

Buying gently used for current need is excellent advice. Just beware, some of the older PDA's get unloaded because of expensive battery replacement costs. Expect to replace the rechargable batteries up front on a used unit, and know what that will cost you.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, June 9, 2007, at 20:48:56 (ZULU)

quote of the day from John Farnam:

http://www.defense-training.com/quips/21May07.html

(...we are ever horrified at the suspects' poor gun-handling and utter lack of proficiency.)

Comment: Much as we righteously despise Hollywood twits and leftists, maybe they're actually doing us a favor! Their arrogant and willful ignorance of our Art insures that cretins who vacuously take in all the sewage they pump over the wire will, at the critical moment, be no match for us!

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, June 10, 2007, at 01:02:35 (ZULU)

lito,

In the PDA world either Palm or Pocket PC will work very well. If one has an advantage over the other it would be the Palm Tungsten model with a battery life that is way ahead of any of the Pocket PC's.

Got both platforms and like them both. I think the Pocket PC has more versatility, but the Tungsten T5 is the one that goes to the range.

YMMV,

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Sunday, June 10, 2007, at 05:41:45 (ZULU)

Unless you're going to deploy with one, battery life for a PDA is pretty much irrelevant. Turn it on to make a shot calculation, then turn it off. The battery will last for days longer than you'll be shooting.

If you're going to deploy, take the TDS Recon, which has the capability to accept external battery packs which take AA replaceable batteries.

Lindy
RV-Nomadic, On the Road, U.S.A. - Sunday, June 10, 2007, at 14:26:16 (ZULU)

Thanks guys.

I was looking at FFS and Exbal. So I think I'll search ebay for a used HP pocket PC.

Unfortunately, all of this poop is obsolete when you open the box :(((

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, Da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, June 10, 2007, at 14:32:40 (ZULU)

"Unfortunately, all of this poop is obsolete when you open the box :((("

Yep, in the sense that the next generation will have more features, more power, and cost less.

However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the "obsolete stuff" is not useful. I have an old Palm Pilot M125 which runs the current Palm version of Exbal very well - and takes AAA batteries to boot. Still useful - though I keep it as a loaner and backup.

If you wait for the next generation, which will be better, you'll never buy anything.

But, you knew that... :D

Lindy
RV-Nomadic, On the Road, U.S.A. - Sunday, June 10, 2007, at 16:50:41 (ZULU)

Yes...

I knew that!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, Da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, June 10, 2007, at 17:23:47 (ZULU)

" Unless you're going to deploy with one, battery life for a PDA is pretty much irrelevant."

Not if you forget to charge the batteries. ;-))

PDA batteries seem to run down faster than Palm. At least faster than the Tungsten T5 anyway. Or it could just be skewed perception (what the voices are telling me).

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Sunday, June 10, 2007, at 19:43:27 (ZULU)

MG, Great Britain's Finest Lawnmower. Loved mine. Keeping the carbs in synch was touchy, though.

Just got back from Badlands, wrung out the new Remington and Super Sniper scope. Love 'em both! Shoots as good as my Howa with the Loopy. Factory trigger is a bit heavy, but breaks clean at about 40 lbs. The Super Sniper works really well. Good glass, clear. Mildots were correct, and the parallax adjustment is a godsend, better to see the longer and real near targets than my old Leupold. Tracks well and comes EXACTLY back to zero.

Mildots and wind constant charts never need batteries. Dope books don't break, and dust/dirt/rain won't make 'em go haywire. Learn your dope and shoot lots of bullets.

Bobby's got a really nice new shooting line at the 1K range. No more scorching sun on your head, or rain dripping right in your crotch. Now, if he could just get a latte machine in there.....

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Sunday, June 10, 2007, at 21:09:30 (ZULU)

Someone gave me a dope book once. I never figured out what it was for.

CDC'
Sunday, June 10, 2007, at 22:53:58 (ZULU)

data books :-)

http://www.snipercountry.com/hottips/Data_Book.htm

Sorry, couldn't resist

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, June 11, 2007, at 00:16:47 (ZULU)

Sorry? For what? What did you do?

I see guys on the line frantically looking through notebooks and I have no idea what they are looking for.

CDC'
Monday, June 11, 2007, at 01:08:48 (ZULU)

Boatload of info in the data books offered in the SC's PX....I got mine there.....Worth lookin at.Alot more in there then I my lil brain can retain...conversion from standard-metric and metric-standard...yards-meters...mph-knots-kph....range estimation,plus pages to record cold bore shots....zero data...info on moving targets...

Has just about a place for everything..Except Playmate of the Year.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Monday, June 11, 2007, at 01:09:56 (ZULU)

CDC...

>"Someone gave me a dope book once. I never figured out what it was for."<

It's to keep your stash!

;)

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, June 11, 2007, at 01:16:25 (ZULU)

Range cards are a real PITA to build on a Palm Pilot.

medicjim
Monday, June 11, 2007, at 01:48:05 (ZULU)

A small dope book and pencil are, what, about $20? What's a Palm Pilot or PDA and program cost?

I've watched guys frantically working the PDA trying to figure out what their data would be for a shot. I've also seen Pete Carpentier dope his wind, dial his elevation and shoot the thing in about 15 seconds. Take your pick.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Monday, June 11, 2007, at 01:58:43 (ZULU)

I'm with Chuck on the Data Book thing. You need a good data book. They are fun to fill in. You just shoot various ranges in various winds at differnt alitutdes. Hell it is just fun going places and shooting things.

I have one I got at Bobby's (Badlands) and it aint been wrong yet. You can also fill it out for your mildot hold overs. Put a 600 yrd zero on your gun and use your hold overs with no fiddling with knobs. Not that that is a bad thing ;)............ I don't use the hold overs but I got the data.

I went to the range today and got Sun burned. Shot one of my 1991 38 Supers. Crono'd some loads and shot the Barricade event. (The Easiest event in the Bianchi Cup) I droped five points on my first time throught it and cleaned it the second time through.

I then played with the 6" 9mm 1911. Zeroed the pup at 35 yards. Then decided it was getting to freaking hot. I had to mow the dang grass first so I got a little warm.

BOLT, You hanging in there?

Dirty Steve............

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Monday, June 11, 2007, at 03:48:57 (ZULU)

Guys,

What can I do to my Sig 220R to keep it from hanging up when I shoot it too fast, such as in IDPA competition? It only hangs up on the course, not when I'm on the firing line next door, trying to figure out WTF went wrong. Could this just be me unknowingly limp-wristing while moving? I'd ask on Sig forums, but those idiots are mostly just collectors, hangers on, and bullshit artists.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, June 11, 2007, at 04:46:09 (ZULU)

Gentlemen (snicker),

The PDA's and Palms are not meant to replace a databook. They're just a second source, an augumentation, if you will. There's no substitute for knowing your rifle, your load and your comeups for a particular combination of rifle and load. Make a range card and stick it somewhere <b/g> if you can't remember the numbers. The electronic gadgets are fun to play with and to double check your data if you have the time to do it. They're just another tool you can use or not, depending on your inclination at any given time (there's where watches can come in handy).

Just remember, you can never have too much information, written or electronic, or a combination of the two (with apologies to Janice Joplin).

Just shut up and shoot. ;-)) And shoot well.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Monday, June 11, 2007, at 04:52:08 (ZULU)

If you want to carry around a notebook, by all means carry around a notebook. I just put my come-ups on the elevation turret, windage on the windage turret, relavent coefficients on the inside of the rear flip-up lens cap and do the simple calculations in my head.

Nothing to it.

CDC'
Monday, June 11, 2007, at 05:45:25 (ZULU)

I've got a real dandy system. I used packing tape and an index card to put all the info on the side of my stock. Looks about as classy as Courtney love at the end of a kegger, but, hell, it works!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, June 11, 2007, at 10:22:24 (ZULU)

Somebody put up a nice article about our shoot on 6BR.com. They quoted me saying some general things that I forgot I said. It felt strange reading my quoted words. I didn't think anyone was actually listening LOL.

http://www.6mmbr.com/norcaltactical.html

I've never tried any of the ballistic programs mentioned but I can see where another tool in the box could be helpful. I tape my come ups onto the left side of the stock right in front of my face below the scope. I keep a log book with what my come ups are each time I shoot to track them at different locations. I also have wind values in the book for winds at every five mph with half and quarter values for each depending on the angle of attack to my bullet (the math is pretty easy there but I write it down anyway). Different hold overs and hold unders are also in there so I can zero at a specific yardage and use my mil hash marks the for others when I'm in a hurry. I have this for a 300 and a 600 yard zero. I'm in the process of trying to memorize these numbers if only for the 300 yard zero. I have what my total moa come up is for each range in 50 yard increments, and what my successive moa is from one yardage to the next. I make a new page for every match and every practice and I note the temp, sun condition, wind conditions overall, number of shots fired in a barrel log page at the back, the specific load info which I reduce to one number and have each load number specified somewhere else, and any thing else that seems like it may have had some voodoo effect on my day.

Cheers,

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Monday, June 11, 2007, at 13:24:04 (ZULU)

Elevation turrets are like this:

http://www.kentonindustries.com/

or click my name.

The windage turret is set for 10mph winds at all ranges.

The effect of wind speed is linear so multiply by 2 for 20mph, .5 for 5mph, etc.

For wind direction the coefficients are:

2:30 = .95

2:00 = .9

1:30 = .7

1:00 = .5

12:30 = .25

Those coefficients may be different from what you have read elsewhere. These are right. I derived them myself.

The formula is (speed coefficient)*(direction coefficient)* distance = windage turret distance.

And, yes, given distance as an independent variable and deflection as a dependent variable, this is NOT a linear function. I did a sensitivity analysis and plotted the residuals. This system is close enough for government work.

The calculation is done mentally in about 2 seconds.

CDC'
Monday, June 11, 2007, at 14:35:54 (ZULU)

I may be the exception here, but I find it nearly impossible to judge wind speed at all ranges between FFP and Target with any precision. Shooting at ASC, where the wind may be left to right at the target and FFP....and right to left in the middle, further supports my theory that the real world thumbs it's nose at wind charts.

I've accepted that no formula works and only large amounts of experience will allow me to judge wind.

It's just an opinion... no proof offered.

medicjim
Monday, June 11, 2007, at 15:02:34 (ZULU)

Please pardcon my ignorance; you guys generally do, but WTF is ffp?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, June 11, 2007, at 15:55:52 (ZULU)

FFP - Final Firing Position

medicjim
Monday, June 11, 2007, at 16:22:33 (ZULU)

'Lito, Ken H, Lindy....KE5OVT that's me!! :-) :-) :-)

ULS post about 5 minutes ago!

Now to get my General!

Sarge

Sarge
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Monday, June 11, 2007, at 20:55:32 (ZULU)

medicjim: "I find it nearly impossible to judge wind speed at all ranges between FFP and Target with any precision."

Me too.

CDC'
Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 01:26:31 (ZULU)

Sarge...

Congratulations... I'm sending you a repeater directory on Wednesday morning by priority mail (I just found it today).

'lito (de K2BK)

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 02:21:04 (ZULU)

"... 'Lito, Ken H, Lindy....KE5OVT that's me!! :-) :-) :-) ...."

Sarge - Congrats!!! this is good'ness... We need all the well educated folks that understand communcations - that we can get....

March on Sarge - get that Extra!!!

73 de KA4AZY

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 02:52:12 (ZULU)

Travis Morgan,

"Courtney love at the end of a kegger"

Now there's one helluva visual. Kinda disgusting, but a helluva visual, nonetheless.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 06:05:34 (ZULU)

FFP - Final Firing Position

Also First Focal Plane. (apples and oranges)

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 06:07:08 (ZULU)

'Lito, e-mail inbound off Roster Ref: Directory

Sarge
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 13:33:00 (ZULU)

Adrian Barbeau turn 62 yesterday...

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 15:35:14 (ZULU)

OK boys and girls. I'm leaving for BadLands sometime after 0 dark 30 in the AM.

Don't tear up the bar while I'm gone, will be there for about 10 days!

I will be online as I can.

Sarge
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 20:57:23 (ZULU)

charter member : British Automobile Drivers Association Siloam Springs ; )

I used to solo/road race a '66 Spridget. Still have a '74 Jensen Healey.

Brits never use one part, when three can do the same job ; )

Any modification is bound to be an improvement.

The wife and I went to St.Louis last week to see Ted Nugent, damn good show, he had more guns on stage than guitars.

Went to the new Cabela's on the way home, had to compare the new .17 fireball to the .221.

Yep its way more cuterrer and I gots ta have one instead!

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 21:10:51 (ZULU)

Wharz ALAN ??

Duman
Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 23:16:52 (ZULU)

Chuck Hunt: Headed for your AO in a couple weeks for about six days. Will you be available? Would like to hook up again if possible.

Mike Miller: The beast we talked about at the Nor-Cal match, is it ready for bedding?? Got awesome pillar material and a ton-o-marine tex ready for ya. Call me on my cell.

Joe

Joe Ducos
Turlock, CA, USA - Wednesday, June 13, 2007, at 06:42:05 (ZULU)

Joe, I tried to email a reply last night, but something was scwewy and it wouldn't go. Hit my by cell phone. If you need a place to Laager, I gots room.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Wednesday, June 13, 2007, at 14:50:28 (ZULU)

Sharon...

>"Adrian Barbeau turn 62 yesterday..."<

Whaaaaaaa!

Which one of you guys had the link to the great nude photo of Adrian Barbeau.

I neeeeeed it!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, June 13, 2007, at 15:39:56 (ZULU)

CDC,

I never owned a Brit car, but I did ride a Triumph Bonnieville for a while after graduating high school. Rode an old HD around the country for a while after getting out of the military in 76. It was anything but boring. Met lots of good people, and some not so good people too.

The generator was the weak link on that ride. In the early 80s I ferried single engine Cessnas around the midwest. That was sort of like riding a HD. You'd roast in the summer, and freeze in the winter.

Thinking I might get me another HD "bagger" to play with. She aint happy about that prospect. Maybe I should get a Sporty and just ride solo. 152 brake HP? One of the guys at work has a Suzuki GXR1000 has been dynoed with 179hp at the rear wheel. Of course its no Beemer, but its quicker than cyanide.

Bill

Bill Bledsoe
Outback in , KY, USA - Wednesday, June 13, 2007, at 18:10:23 (ZULU)

"It's quicker than cyanide"

Bill, you just made a contribution to the lexicon of 'emergency service' sayings. That one is just too damn good to pass on.

medicjim
Wednesday, June 13, 2007, at 18:48:20 (ZULU)

Lito'Try here.

http://members.fortunecity.com/noops020a/fcnoops_adrian_barbwau.html

Regards,

Joisey

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Us of A - Wednesday, June 13, 2007, at 21:40:45 (ZULU)

Joisey...

You made my day dude ;)))))))

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, June 13, 2007, at 23:47:42 (ZULU)

Bill,

Get the bike you look good on. In my case I afforded a 2006 BMW R1200RT. Reliability gets big points in my house.

Fast, stable and people drool. The local cops pulled up next to me in the left turn lane - and missed the light! The look on his face when I went straight was priceless. I ran into him at the gun store the next day and just grinned.

As with anything that is "faster than cyanide", go to a certified riding course. I have been riding and shooting, not in that order, since 1976 or so. I learned a few things every time I go to a class.

Trajan

Trajan
East Bay, Kalifornya, USA!! - Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 01:49:13 (ZULU)

http://www.ehowa.com/features/alwayswearyourhelmet.shtml

For all you motorcycle riders out there. For the squeamish, it's a dead guy, not too gory though.

The biggest issue I have with bikes is the fact that the other POS scumbag may be wrong, but I'm dead or maimed. I hate that. As I said earlier, there's way too many bluehairs, illegals and other non driving vermin around here, and LE keeps getting bashed as racist, sexist and biggoted when they try to arrest them. Personally, I don't think arresting them is nearly enough, as the dirtbags get released on signature bond and are not seen again until the next time they're arrested, and then the useless State's Attorney's don't bother prosecuting the "failure to show" warrant. And that's only the one's who are citizens, Jose and Hose B get picked up repeatedly since God only knows who they actually are, since they have no authentic documentation.

Enough rant, but I'm a 32YO male citizen who generally tries to follow all the damn rules and it's seems I'm a sucker because 10 million+ people are getting over on everything. S/F....Ken M

Ken M
IL, USA - Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 02:35:27 (ZULU)

The thing I like about 'bike' accidents is that I rarely have to do anything difficult....

It's either a release to BLS (non-life threatening injury aka road-rash)..... or it's a quick connect of the monitor for a pronouncement.

medicjim
Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 03:40:55 (ZULU)

Chuck Hunt: It will be me and the wife going, kids at grandma's. I tried the e-mail dooheekie and it no workie for me either. Busier than that one legged man, but will hit you via cell soon.

Joe

Joe Ducos
Turlock, CA, USA - Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 05:36:10 (ZULU)

Bikes? Hmmmm....

I`ve been riding two wheels since I was 7 and currently am the proud owner of an `86 FJ1200. Bought it new and haven`t had a need to trade up yet. At 46 I`ve never been down (on pavement) and attribute it to healthy respect and common sense, plus some talent and luck thrown in. If you think it can`t happen to you, it probably will.

These folks are severly lacking in the healthy respect and common sense dept.

http://www.ehowa.com/features/alwayswearyourhelmet.shtml

I think the speedo is in kph, not mph. Still very fast.

Although impressive, they give bikers a bad name. I worked with a guy who lost a leg just by sitting still on his bike at a red light. Drunk dude cut the corner too short at about 25mph and pinched it clean off. And these idiots on Youtube get away with this shit.... `taint fair.

Steve Racer
Somewhere in Dillsburg, PA, - Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 06:31:28 (ZULU)

Oops, try this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evPg5_HTXio

Steve Racer
somewhere in Dillsburg , PA, USA - Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 06:35:56 (ZULU)

165ish mph. I hope they breed before they splatter. The next generation will need fighter pilots too.

CDC'
Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 13:10:16 (ZULU)

I enjoyed the Hyabusa (sp?) video, made by "Kitty Killers Production" (where's Lito?). I've done a few wheelies before, but never at speed. Those guys are nuts.... 499 HP on two wheels? Out of my league.

The other photo, with the deceased, didn't need a helmet. The one he was wearing certainly didn't do him any good.

Duman
Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 13:41:17 (ZULU)

Just received this, couldn't resist passing it on:

KNOW YOUR STATE MOTTO..

Alabama: Hell Yeah, We Have Electricity.

Alaska: 11,623 Eskimos Can't Be Wrong!

Arizona: Yeah, But It's A Dry Heat.

Arkansas: Lituracy Ain't Everythang.

California: By 30, Our Women Have More Plastic Than Your Honda.

Colorado: If You Don't Ski, Don't Bother.

Connecticut: Like Massachusetts, only smaller

Delaware: We Really Do Like The Chemicals In Our Water.

Florida: Ask Us About Our Grandkids, And Our Voting Skills.

Georgia: We Put The Fun In Fundamentalist Extremism.

Hawaii: Haka Tiki Mou Sha'ami Leeki Toru (Death To Mainland Scum, Leave Your Money)

Idaho: More Than Just Potatoes...Well, Okay, We're Not, But The Potatoes Sure Are Real Good

Illinois: Please, Don't Pronounce the "S"

Indiana: 2 Billion Years Tidal Wave Free

Iowa: We Do Amazing Things With Corn

Kansas: First Of The Rectangle States

Kentucky: Five Million People; Fifteen Last Names

Louisiana: We're Not ALL Drunk Cajun Wackos, But That's Our Tourism Campaign.

Maine: We're Really Cold, But We Have Cheap Lobster

Maryland: If You Can Dream It, We Can Tax It

Massachusetts: Our Taxes Are Lower Than Sweden 's And Our Senators Are More Corrupt!

Michigan: First Line Of Defense Against The Canadians

Minnesota: 10,000 Lakes... And 10 Zillion Mosquitoes

Mississippi: Come visit And Feel Better About Your Own State

Missouri: Your Federal Flood Relief Tax Dollars At Work

Montana: Land Of The Big Sky, The Unabomber, Right-wing Crazies, and Honest Elections!

Nebraska: Ask About Our State Motto Contest

Nevada: Hookers and Poker!

New Hampshire: Go Away And Leave Us Alone

New Jersey: You Want A ##$%##! Motto? I Got Your ##$%##! Motto Right here!

New Mexico: Lizards Make Excellent Pets

New York: You Have The Right To Remain Silent, You Have The Right To An Attorney... And No Right To Self Defense!

North Carolina: Tobacco Is A Vegetable

North Dakota: We Really Are One Of The 50 States!

Ohio: At Least We're Not Michigan

Oklahoma: Like The Play, But No Singing

Oregon: Spotted Owl.. It's What's For Dinner

Pennsylvania: Cook With Coal

Rhode Island: We're Not REALLY An Island

South Carolina: Remember The Civil War? Well, We Didn't Actually Surrender Yet

South Dakota: Closer Than North Dakota

Tennessee: Home of the Al Gore Invention Museum

Texas: Se Hable Ingles

Utah: Our Jesus Is Better Than Your Jesus

Vermont: Too liberal for the Kennedy's

Virginia: Who Says Government Stiffs And Slackjawed Yokels Don't Mix?

Washington: Our Governor can out-fraud your Governor!

West Virginia: One Big Happy Family...Really!

Wisconsin: Come Cut the Cheese!

Wyoming: Where Men Are Men... And The Sheep Are Scared. Home of Brokeback Mtn.

The District of Columbia: The Work-Free Drug Place !

Duman
Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 16:17:38 (ZULU)

Guys,

Any of you know where I can kill a bunch of pigs around Norcross, Ga, around the end of July, cheap?

My wife has to go out there for work, so she thought it'd be nice to make it a vacation. I think it'll be nice to get the boy started hunting.

On a different note, what do you guys that have them think of the .50 Beowolf? How bad is the recoil? Does the cartridge perform well enough to justify the stick?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 16:59:43 (ZULU)

Travis,

i got a fellow started handloading for one, seemed a bit limited about what would function, though it was very dependable with the recommended loads. I don't know if he took any game with it. All in all, a lot like a 450 Marlin, both in ballistics and in recoil. You might look at the 450 BushieMaster, more common boolets and factory ammo/brass. Either one would make a helluva pig cartridge.

Erik in Kodiak
Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 18:20:27 (ZULU)

Click my name for a good deal on some good, barely used reloading stuff. WISH I could afford it! Anyone wanna finance it? LOL. No, really.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 19:25:28 (ZULU)

Hey guys,

Anybody ever hear from Yael our lady Israeli? If so contact me via email.

Gooch out

Gooch
Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 22:01:47 (ZULU)

Gooch,

How's the ministry going? Hope everything's well with you.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, June 15, 2007, at 03:22:46 (ZULU)

So I got 1000 bulk 162gn 7mm A-maxs in the mail today, and lo and behold, they had cannelures on them. WTF, says I, and go to my stash of old Amaxs to compare. Well, the ogive is the same, as is OAL, and the BT is very slightly different, but I'm satisfied that it's a legitimate A-max. Wonder what it was for? I plane to use them in practice matchs and will compare to other A-maxs to see what the story is. Guess it's going to be NOS A-maxs and 175SMK's for the important stuff. This is the 3rd or 4th version of the Amax I've seen, most annoying. I may have to go to Bergers or SMK's if this continues. S/F.....Ken M

Ken M
IL, USA - Friday, June 15, 2007, at 05:24:17 (ZULU)

Ken M...

Give Hornady a call and ask them what's up - match bullets are NEVER cannelured!

Could be that people are using A-Maxs for hunting and Hornady figgered to work both markets???

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, Da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, June 15, 2007, at 11:59:43 (ZULU)

Maybe you got part of a mil prototype run?

medicjim
Friday, June 15, 2007, at 16:10:24 (ZULU)

Do they just have the one groove cannelure, or are there several grooves? Just wondered if Hornady was playing around with grooved bullets on the sly..

JR
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland United Kingdom - Friday, June 15, 2007, at 17:43:19 (ZULU)

JR: I've never seen a bullet with more than a single cannelure. You're right, it would be interesting to know if they were doing some weird experiment.

I was wondering, when did the spelling of the word "extension" become "extention"? I just saw an extension ladder, with a label spelled "extention". Did I miss something?

And when did the abbreviation of "average" become "ave." ?

Duman
Friday, June 15, 2007, at 18:00:38 (ZULU)

Duman,

This is just one example of what I'm on about:

http://www.gsgroup.co.za/faqdesign.html

Make it two:

http://www.lima-wiederladetechnik.de/

JR
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland United Kingdom - Friday, June 15, 2007, at 18:51:55 (ZULU)

Its coming along.... Trying to put together a sound system now. Did a couple of teaching gigs for CMP this summer and musicians friend and I are getting intimate...lol..

Gooch
Friday, June 15, 2007, at 19:10:33 (ZULU)

JR,

My apologies, I misunderstood. I think those are not the typical cannelure's I've seen in the past. Doesn't Tubb have some similar bullets on the market?

Duman
Friday, June 15, 2007, at 20:45:14 (ZULU)

Sarge (aka "alien Hunter-killer ;)

Doggie pack on the way.

It is 2006, but there have been no changes in your part of the country since then.

If you need anything else, lemme know.

And about this "Sir" shit... :((

'lito.

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, June 15, 2007, at 20:55:29 (ZULU)

Click for a Hayabusa with under 5k miles for $9.5kish.

Pay cash, liability only, put $5k in the bank for funeral expenses, no worries about degenerating health or 401ks...

...sounds like a plan.

Does anyone know where I can get a cyanide capsule? One should come as standard equipment for a rig like this.

CDC'
Saturday, June 16, 2007, at 01:38:35 (ZULU)

Gentlemen,

Well the brown truck of happiness finally delivered the TPS rings and the Super Sniper is on the SSG as of today. Hopefully I can cut out for the range tonite, get it zeroed and see hou it does at extended distance tomarrow. Stay tuned for further details.

Pat II
Saturday, June 16, 2007, at 02:33:24 (ZULU)

Cyanide is actually not a 'nice' way to go. You probably suffer a good bit. If you wanna be dead, painless and prompt, a massive dose of heroin is just the ticket.

medicjim
Saturday, June 16, 2007, at 02:45:15 (ZULU)

mj: Then no 200mph bike for me. I'll just spend the last 20 years of my life with my wife.

As Woody Allen said, "Professor Fenster said that he would prefer cremation to burial and either to a weekend with Mrs. Fenster."

CDC'
Saturday, June 16, 2007, at 02:51:30 (ZULU)

Say it ain't so !!!!

So you think you got problems finding Primers,Powder & Projectiles.

Just look here.

http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/7955482.html

I'm stocking up NOW !!

Regards,

Joisey

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, US of A - Saturday, June 16, 2007, at 17:59:07 (ZULU)

Joisey,

If you need a suitable substitute/backup give Knob Creek a try. It's smooooooth!

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Saturday, June 16, 2007, at 18:10:27 (ZULU)

Methinks "Hayabusa" is Japanese for "Suicide".

"....the brown truck of happiness...." LOL!

Duman
Saturday, June 16, 2007, at 18:18:42 (ZULU)

Gents,

Travis, your P220 is "hanging up"? Is that a failure to feed or is the trigger not moving forward far enough to reset? Sig has the new Short Reset Trigger (SRT)that makes a big difference if it is the latter. If it is a FTF or FTE I can't help you there.

As for the "limp wristing" thing...Nobody, I mean nobody, on this list has limp wrists...;-)

Time to move back into defilade.

As for wind I like Mike Miller's system. It's simple so I can understand.

Wes

P.S. I my P226 came with SRT and I added the new "short" trigger. Makes a world of difference.

Wes Howe
Salem, OR, USA - Saturday, June 16, 2007, at 18:45:09 (ZULU)

Duman: I'm sorely tempted. Click for a list of my reasons. It turns out that there are "Gunsites" for motorcycle racing. Man that looks like fun.

My son and I went shooting today. He dropped my Kowa scope directly on the concrete deck, dumped a huge fountain drink in the case with my good target .22 and dry fired by casually blowing off Rule 3.

The first f*** up amazed me. By the third one I had developed a sense of unreality that hasn't left me.

But he shot good. That's better than nothing.

CDC'
Saturday, June 16, 2007, at 22:46:29 (ZULU)

CDC,

My boy's 11. Puberty's kicking in. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was going retarded.

Anyone else ready to knock the shit out of their boy next time they get "I don't know" as an answer for something that the kid did? Aggravates the shit out of me. Who the fuck DOES know?

Wes,

I got FTF's and, once, the round went in at a really strange angle, hard enough that I pulled the bullet when I racked the slide to clear the jam. I can shoot as fast as I want standing still, but, when I'd try to run through an IDPA course, I'd get hangups. I'm big and stought enough that I can't imagine that I'd possibly limp-wrist it, but I can't think WTF else would cause it.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 00:54:06 (ZULU)

Kids and guns... and stupid!

Guys, my rat is 15+, and I can tell you from experence, that this kind of stupid is temporary (unlike the other (adult) kind that is permanent!!) ;))

As to limp wristed shooters...

When I was shooting three gun matches, the Rooshan was shooting a M-1 Benelli. I loved the gun, and thought of buying one... it was pretty like a Swiss watch.

But he had lots of problems with it feeding (NOT).

He had to have a solid hold on it, or it would jam. I didn't like that part, so I didn't get one. He said that all you had to do was hold it like a "man" and it was good to go.

Well, campers... I'm not one of the conspiracy types that think the commies are going to invade us next month, but I do know that it is possible that I might have to use my shotgun, or hand gun to defend my home and my family.

I mean... I lived in NYC during two of the "Black-out riots" in the 60's and 70's, and I know the look (and fear) of mobs of bad guys coming down your street.

Anyway... I want a pistol and shotgun that I can shoot (and that will function) while held in one hand, "limply", cuz my hand or arm might be broken, and I might be hurt, and it's all I got.

So put me on the limp wrist line - I didn't get the Benelli, I bought a Rem 11-87 Police... it will shoot 2-3/4' paper skeet loads, while the gun is held loosely in one hand, and shoot 3" Magnums, all loaded in the same magazine... and all my self-defense pistols are sprung the same.

If I'm hurt, I don't want to loose the battle cuz I can't shoot my shotgun or pistol with one injured hand :((((

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 05:12:39 (ZULU)

"Anyone else ready to knock the shit out of their boy ...?"

No. Without raising my voice I made it very clear to him that I was disappointed in him, he must pay attention to what he was doing and that - when doing physical things in the real world - carelessness can easily be fatal.

CDC'
Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 05:20:18 (ZULU)

CDC,

It's not that I would, but sometimes, it's tempting.

Here a while back, I had him in the shop, helping me reload. He likes it, and it's something we can do together. I handed him a bag of brass, showed him the dies he needed, told him to change the dies and asked him to get going on the decapping, then turned back to what I was doing.

Next thing I know, he walks over, pulls the primer tube out, and drops primers everywhere. I asked him WTF? Got the "I dunno" shrug. Asked him to change the dies. Got a blank look. Asked him which part was the die. He outs his hand on top of the press. Then, my head exploded.

The reloading thing is just like the gun thing. I made him memorise the names of all the parts before we started! I know I was an idiot during puberty, but this SUCKS!

Now I know why Dad always seemed like he was on the verge of choking me, ala Homer Simpson!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 08:25:42 (ZULU)

Happy Father's Day

kids and guns and stupid shit. The time I upgraded my barn hayloft pigeon killing stick from a daisy air rifle to the Marlin .22 bolt..Learned how to roof a barn that summer, on my own. The time I got caught shooting my sisters nag of an Appaloosa in the arse with another bb gun(probably .5 lb/ft worth of oomph in that one), said I was shootin flys. My new job for the summer was to take care of our 14 horses pretty much on my own, and each of them which were rideable had to be ridden, including the murderous thoroughbred/quarter cross and the equally disturbed Arabian who both hated western saddles and humans in general. The time my mate and I went out to his dad's 'junkyard' of cars and knocked holes in one old DeSoto in particular with every firearm and blunt weapon we had in the arsenal. Boy that was almost one short life lived, I seem to remember the words 'restored' and 'collector' amongst the fury of expletives. That summer got to learn the fine art of auto body work, putting glass in, etc. Used to be great at taking things apart as a kid, guns included, just wasn't as good at putting them back together back then...Dad would pull a rifle out of the cabinet and find there was no trigger shoe, or the firing pin assembly was missing, for example. Which is probably why I do what I do now.

There was a period between ages 9 and 15 that I'm pretty sure dad wondered how the hell I managed to get up off all fours. There were a lot of times I know he wanted to end me, but he had a way of making my dumbass feel so ashamed for what I had done, that I would never make that particular mistake again. Had to come up with new ones all the time. But instead of beating me into a pulp, he usually put me to work to put it right.

JR
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland United Kingdom - Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 10:56:05 (ZULU)

Andy is working as a CNC machinist while going to college for engineering. On Friday He took his FAA written and is boning up for his private pilot check ride. Yesterday while taking his PADI open water certification dive he busted an ear drum so he'll be postponing completion until that heals. My daughter, Rachel, received her Master's degree in Speech Pathology a few weeks ago and will be working in that field this summer. On Father's Day I couldn't be prouder.

I just got my Badger Ordnance Calendar and this is a thing of beauty. It's an 18-month calendar with the specs for and pictures of a different Sniper Rifle each month. Large format color pictures are beautiful.

I'm in the process of load development for my new .338 Lapua magnum. This rifle is FUN.....humma, humma, heap big gun.

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad)
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 11:31:53 (ZULU)

Guys,

Don't wanna sound goofy, or anything, but to all the deployed fathers, THANK YOU! Thanks for being away from your kids, thanks for standing in line for a few brief words on the phone with them. And thanks for the deployed kids who won't get to see their Dads.

God's with you, and have a nice father's day.

As for me, I'll be visiting the grandfather that raised me, maybe get the horses out, do a little shooting, and a little drinking before the moochers, er wellwishers show up.

How he kept from choking me, well, at least not to death, raising me, AFTER he had his own kids raised, I dunno. The man has balls. He's 72 this year, has emphysema, and a crop of kids that're nothin' to brag on. I cherish the times we've had, and try to make the most of those we have left.

I don't think I'll ever forget giving him his first sixgun, or the way he ran over to the mirror when I gave him the holster and gunbelt I made him. ....like a six year old on christmas! He even made sure he had his cowboy hat on. And he don't wear a hat in the house!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 13:25:16 (ZULU)

Guys,

Is there a website where I can find out whether or not flights are delayed? My wife's supposed to be coming back from NYC to Wichita, after a layover in Atlanta. She should be in Atlanta right now.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 13:37:18 (ZULU)

Travis, Don't know of a general web site but if you go to the

Airline in question with the flight number you should be able

to get the info you need.

Regards & Happy Fathers Day,

Joisey

Steven Dzupin
Gaithersburg, Maryland, US of A - Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 14:53:26 (ZULU)

Most airlines have a flight status feature on their corporate website..

Kevin - Will a lathe be on Andy's birthday list this year? If so, when will he start accepting orders for work? <g>

medicjim
Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 14:53:43 (ZULU)

Travis...

http://www.flytecomm.com/cgi-bin/trackflight

John
WI, - Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 16:52:17 (ZULU)

Guys,

Thanks for the links/suggestions. John's was especially helpful, and is going into the "favorites" on my browser.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 17:04:00 (ZULU)

I take a nap for year and a half, come back and nothing's changed.

I guess that's good! Now I won't have to read all the archives to catch up!

Now let's see if I can stay awake a bit longer this time.

Moe

Moe Mensale
Boca Raton, FL, - Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 17:25:37 (ZULU)

Gents,

You guys crack me up. Fathers day...no kids of my own. Wonder at times if I missed something. Step daughter turned out pretty good, though. Guess that does qualify me to be a "dad". Got Gennie when she was 16 and I was a USMC Major. I WAS "Major Dad"! We survived my not understanding 16 year old girls on hormonal overdrive and me being a rather straight laced (rigid?) Marine. Love her like she were my own.

Travis, you said:

I'm at a loss on this one. I would try different magazines and/or replace the springs in your current ones and try that. Is the problem associated with a particular load? Only happens when you run and gun? As for the round that you "pulled" the bullet on I've never seen that before in any handgun except magnum revolvers where the bullet pulled from the recoil and lack of crimp. You may want to replace the recoil spring if the round count is high. SIG springs are very good quality, in my experience. Good luck on this one, Travis.

Happy Fathers Day to all. Wife just called me in for a "special" breakfast. Life is good.

Wes

Wes Howe
Salem, OR, USA - Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 18:21:43 (ZULU)

Doc, Thanks for the heads up !

Reagards,

Joisey

Steven Dzupin
Gaithersburg, Maryland, US of A - Sunday, June 17, 2007, at 23:12:18 (ZULU)

Last one. I promise. Click.

600cc is plenty.

CDC'
Monday, June 18, 2007, at 01:41:45 (ZULU)

CDC: sheeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiittttt!!!! - I got nervous just watching that one.... Every now in then you see someone with a high powered bike crack the throttle on route 95 or route 66 here in Northern VA... Especially route 66 once ya get out west of manassas.....

All: Pistol Raffle is wired -- just need to confirm the payment engine... I have not seen a pistol / prize pack like the one that were about to turn on..... stay tuned.....

Happy Father's day all ---

My Girl's now (as of a week ago) a personal trainer.... I told her that I want to weigh 170 pounds, run the mile in 4 minutes and do 50 pullups -- she laughed and asked how much time I had to work for that - LOL :)

Take care all,

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Monday, June 18, 2007, at 03:58:47 (ZULU)

You guys have to check out the link CDC posted. That is absolutely the craziest motherfucker I've ever seen on a bike. I thought I did some stupid things on them, and I did, but never to that level or for such a long time. Kind of got me a little pumped just watching it :) Just when I was thinking that this nut has never experienced a pissed off driver that hates bikes, the Jeep got brake happy on him. Not too bad, just enough to let him know about it. Could have been much worse if he'd really meant it.

And now for your ebonics lesson of the day from the Louisiana public school system-

"OMELETTE"

"I should pop yo ass fo what you jus said, but omelette dis one slide"

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Monday, June 18, 2007, at 04:44:42 (ZULU)

I was waiting for the guy to go SPLAT!!!Might be able recycle whats left for some beer cans and a composite stock.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Monday, June 18, 2007, at 10:00:43 (ZULU)

CDC',

Wow. Out of my league. I never came close to that even before I realized I was mortal. I don't recall being on a road that I trusted enough to take it over 120mph. The debris along the shoulder has popped more than one of my tires. Then cresting a hill at 140mph+...

UnPat, re: recycling, LOL!

Duman
Monday, June 18, 2007, at 13:57:48 (ZULU)

Duman: Yeah, he trusts the integrity of the shoulders' surfaces more than I ever did. An inch of drop off and a handfull of gravel and you go from a peregrene falcon to a great big dead turd. I hate that feeling.

The crest did look optimistic and it looked like he was pushing a little hard in the tunnel.

What is a cop's reaction when he pulls a guy for going 145mph in traffic? It seems to me as if he wouldn't be pleased.

CDC'
Monday, June 18, 2007, at 14:39:12 (ZULU)

Ken...

About the rifle we spoke about, that "You know who" built. It was a 6.5 barrel that was supposed to be chambered to a 6.5-284.

They chambered it with a 308 reamer!! How the hell they got the 30 cal pilot in that itty bitty 264 hole, is one that I will never figure out??

And when my friend called about not being able to chamber a 6.5-284 case, and not being able to close it on a headspace gage, they told him he didn't know about guns, cuz they "test fired" EVERY rifle!!

So much for a good reputation (down the drain).

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, June 18, 2007, at 16:09:11 (ZULU)

'Lito,

There is a 6.5 x 308 reamer, possibly they used that or a 260Rem..Or perhaps a .308 reamer with a .255 pilot, hmmm. Or perhaps a 308 reamer without a pilot :P How big does that throat look? heheh, that will be the biggest indicator..

JR
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland United Kingdom - Monday, June 18, 2007, at 17:15:42 (ZULU)

The Hayabusa derives its name from the Japanese term for the Peregrine Falcon, the fastest creature on the planet with speeds in excess of 300 km/h in its hunting dive.

Yikes !!

Joisey

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Nort Americano - Monday, June 18, 2007, at 17:16:30 (ZULU)

Lito,

"So much for a good reputation (down the drain)."

Is there something we should know about?

Duman
Monday, June 18, 2007, at 19:08:36 (ZULU)

JR...

Hey, ya' ol' wascally barrel maker...

>"There is a 6.5 x 308 reamer, possibly they used that or a 260Rem..Or perhaps a .308 reamer with a .255 pilot, hmmm. Or perhaps a 308 reamer without a pilot :P How big does that throat look? heheh, that will be the biggest indicator.."<

Yeah... but it was supposed to be a 6.5x284 :((( That's a hard mistake to make!!

Duman...

Naw, nuttin' fer now - they are trying to work it out.

<edit>... it's all worked out!!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, June 18, 2007, at 19:18:49 (ZULU)

'Lito,

Man, with all these variables, eveyone comes back to the tried and true .308win, but, hahah... They actually said they fitted a barrel on to the action, test fired, and grouped a 6.5 x 284 in that particular stick? Nevermind the obvious.. If they did use a 308 reamer, the throat on the .264 would be about .310..If they used a 6.5 x 308 would be about .265 ish..If they didn't use the 6.5 x 284 reamer for that chamber, well, moot and useless comes to mind.

JR
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland United Kingdom - Monday, June 18, 2007, at 20:05:03 (ZULU)

'Lito,

<<That's a hard mistake to make!!>>

Easy mistake to make, but hard to debate!!

JR
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland United Kingdom - Monday, June 18, 2007, at 20:07:15 (ZULU)

JR...

The folks involved are moving a big operation - and the gun was given to the guy that does all the 308 stuff, and it went down hill from there.

It's OK now.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, June 18, 2007, at 20:43:33 (ZULU)

The true test of a vendor is how they deal with mistakes.

The really outstanding vendors don't let many mistakes out the door to begin with...

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, June 18, 2007, at 22:17:46 (ZULU)

re-posted from the Canadian Firearm Digest, V10 #589

(A Canadian soldier's personal observations on the political realities of the Canadian mission in A'stan)

"The "Taliban" are not an Afghan culture to begin with. They are a culture of religious extremism, and more to the point they aren't Afghan to begin with because many of the "Taliban" are not Afghans, but nationals from Pakistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc. They are a product of the madrassas, not Afghanistan. They can't pull off a nation based on religious extremism back home (think of their aims as The Free State Project in reverse), but up until now Afghanistan has been ripe for the picking.

In short, those who complain about our interfering with "their culture" are in fact complaining about Canada interdicting a brutal invading culture made up of many people just as foreign to Afghanistan as Canadians. The difference is Canadians hope to give native Afghans a foundation for survival and growth and then leave; the Taliban intend to build nothing other than a base for religious extremism without government interference, and they have no intention of ever leaving unless driven out. Nor do they intend to allow Afghanis the right to live based on their prior culture - it will be culture as dictated by the Taliban or a brutal death.

Various "pundits" keep commenting on how the Taliban are gathering strength, particularly when they mention the Northern Alliance. They sell this as evidence of Afghans increasingly supporting the Taliban.

This is nonsense. The difference is, of course, that the Northern Alliance is almost entirely Afghanis. The Taliban don't draw only from Afghanis after they get their asses kicked time and time again and get slaughtered by the score. They send out the call to every wannabe Muslim extremist in the world to come fight for them in their attempt to win Afghan back as a base for their Muslim extremism (and the actual Afghan Muslim population be damned). And so, the madrassas in Pakistan and elsewhere send more fighters brainwashed from childhood to fight and die in the name of their twisted version of Allah (and once again, the Afghan Muslims be damned). Claiming that the products of madrassas in foreign countries coming to fight with the Taliban in Afghanistan is evidence of Afghanis turning to support the Taliban is ridiculous.

On the one hand, this constant influx of brutal Muslim fanatics makes progress in Afghanistan much slower than it could be. On the other hand, if all those happy to murder and slaughter in the name of the Taliban's version of Allah want to travel to Afghanistan to concentrate themselves in an environment like Afghanistan, it certainly makes the Three "F"s Of Land Combat much easier to attain. A better situation for us, although hard on Afghanis. On the other hand, they're going to come anyways, especially if the Taliban win in the end, and they'll slaughter and enslave Afghan Muslims anyways, so they aren't any worse off and foreign assistance is only the real hope of a decent future they have.

In the end, it comes down to the Genovese syndrome, I suppose. At what point do people start feeling there is a basic human obligation to defend others against evil? Many people felt it wasn't our problem when the Nazi Party was slaughtering Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, etc. That attitude hasn't stopped since: witness Yugo, Rwanda, the Congo, etc. If they or their family ain't bleedin' then it ain't their problem. For different people there's a different boundary: not a few people would see your wife being raped or beaten and go "Not my wife; not my problem". Others of course would be outraged and wonder by someone should be so callous and feel they had no business interfering.

I guess it just depends on what your moral tolerance for slaughter is. And perhaps for some, a belief that one should not interfere unless one can do it absolutely perfectly with a guarantee of not a single slip or mishap while doing so. No accidental deaths, no friendly fire incidents, nothing: everything perfect and beyond criticism from beginning to end.

Canadian troops are heavily behind this because many of them or their fireteam partners have had the educational opportunity of uncovering mass graves in Yugo and Rwanda - that tends to be a life altering experience that many who blithely claim we should just let them go at it haven't had. Guys don't go over there for the love of war and because they enjoy being away from their wives and family for a year, living in an environment that kicks the ass of those raised in North America, along with the bonus opportunity of possibly getting maimed or killed. They go because they know they can make a difference and the guys coming back are telling them they have seen they're making a difference.

I would still have more confidence in those who want us out of there if they would volunteer to go over to Afghanistan before we leave and individually explain to all the women in positions of authority, elected individuals from small city councils on up, etc why leaving them to be slaughtered by the Taliban was a more moral road to take. Given Taliban Jack's professed support for equality and rights for women, perhaps he could just focus on explaining to Afghan women why he supports them being thrown out of schools, ordered back into burkhas, and stripped of just about every right that women in Canada take for granted. Not to mention a regular procession of stoning, hangings, and female heads being blown off in assorted soccer stadiums... the regular beatings in the streets for a bewildering number of offences is simply pour encouragez les autres...

It's easy to talk about deserting people to the mercy of murderous thugs, whether you argue that on the basis of "culture", or use instances of failure during the mission, or the fact we aren't acting similarly in Chad, Dafur (like we have the troops...) or whatever as the excuse. It's quite another after you've been someplace like Yugo or Rwanda and had to personally look people in the eyes while telling them that you're leaving them to their fate because your countrymen safe back home said that's what you had to do. There's another life altering experience for you that most of the "withdraw!" folks are going to be incredibly fortunate enough to never have to experience. Lucky them.

Sadly Mark, in the end I believe we are going to fail in Afghanistan. Not because we couldn't defeat the Taliban in any manner of war they chose to fight - because we can. Not because we couldn't win hearts and minds - because we can. And not because we couldn't rebuild the infrastructure of the country to the point of self sufficiency and create an Afghan Army capable of kicking the Taliban's ass - because we can do that too.

We are going to fail in Afghanistan for the same reasons that the US quickly failed in Vietnam right after the overwhelming and crushing defeat they handed Giap, the North Vietnamese, and the Viet Cong during Tet. The US slaughtered the NVA, practically wiped out the Viet Cong - and promptly lost the war. We are going to fail for the same reasons: the naysayers and the optics won't look right to Canadians who want a quick, clean, bloodless victory in Afghanistan. Of course, there is no such thing as a quick, clean, bloodless victory any time you have to resort to force of arms to accomplish something, and many Canadians these days simply refuse to accept that. They want the mythical Canadian in a blue beret, who blows his whistle and everyone stops fighting and goes home. The world doesn't work that way.

We are going to fail for the same reasons we have the kind of gun control we have and many of the other shortcomings in Canadian society: Canadians are scared of their own shadow and anything that might be "icky". If it might require doing or experiencing unpleasant things, then better to play the "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" game.

So eventually, it will become a political liability to remain in Afghanistan. We'll leave and instead just give money to Doctors Without Borders, Amnesty International, etc. They'll take the money and, ultimately, accomplish SFA. The UN will continue waggling their fingers no matter what the Taliban do (and what else could the UN do with Canada and others bugging out?).

The Taliban won't quite killing women, those who won't pray, etc no matter what Amnesty International does. The torture and beatings won't stop. Doctors Without Borders isn't going to fight for women's rights to medical help when the Taliban tell them men don't deal with women who aren't their wives. And, good folks though they are, they ain't gonna stick around once a few of their folks get capped - they just don't stick around in situations like that.

At the same time, our leaving will tell the Taliban that we have neither the heart nor spine to stand up to them, and they'll take that as a sign they can spread the madrassas and their peculiar views on Islam further and further. Anyone who thinks our sacrificing Afghanistan to the Taliban is going to solve either the Muslim or Christian world's problems with murderous Muslim extremists is dreaming in technicolor. Sooner or later we will be looking at the Taliban over gunsights again... and the next time may well be much closer to home, in an environment where they're much more difficult to deal with.

So we we bail and run home with our legs between our legs - not beaten by the Taliban but by our moral and political cowardice - and therefore add another chapter of history about how it is supposedly impossible to win in Afghanistan, when we should be adding a chapter that discusses how political expediency and moral cowardice make failure inevitable. People will write "told ya so" books for years about the "invincable Taliban" and how fighting in Afghanistan is foolhardy. Others will add those books to their libraries as proof of the invinceable Taliban. Meanwhile, all the stuff that doesn't make the news like a ramp ceremony does - like a well dug by Canadians that provides clean drinking water and thus prevents dozens of kids dying year in and year out from contaminated wells - won't happen any further. And so, THAT death toll (which far outstrips the accidental deaths caused by Canadians), simply goes on, and on, and on, year in, year out...

But cheer up, it won't make the news, no Canadians were killed while these kids died. Voila! Success! Everybody's happy!"

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, June 18, 2007, at 22:53:22 (ZULU)

Buried in a funky old pawn shop I found a NIB Swaro 2.2-9x42 (edited to correct specs) Habicht Nova w/plex reticle and 30mm tube for $730. The scope doesn't appear in any catalog, but the closest thing I find goes for double that much.

Does anyone know anything about this thing?

<Update: It turns out that the French Foreign Leigon snipers used these things at Kolweizi. See link.>

CDC'
Tuesday, June 19, 2007, at 06:40:57 (ZULU)

>>>We are going to fail for the same reasons we have the kind of gun control we have and many of the other shortcomings in Canadian society: Canadians are scared of their own shadow and anything that might be "icky". If it might require doing or experiencing unpleasant things, then better to play the "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" game.<<<

Replace "Canadian" with "American" and we have the same problems here. Most folks don't have the sack for the long haul anymore.

Moe

Moe Mensale
Boca Raton, FL, USofA - Tuesday, June 19, 2007, at 12:08:40 (ZULU)

Guys,

As for the Sig hanging up, it only happened when I'd run and gun. Fortunately, I've gained a lotta weight, due to a bad back(2 fractures 12 years ago) since my last IDPA match, and now my arms hurt all the time. Hence, I no longer run, and I can't shoot nearly as fast.

Click my name.

Dare ya to do this and not puke trying. If that don't do it, try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Foty1pMHI4&mode=user&search=

Marc S., "Omolette", Funny as hell!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, June 19, 2007, at 13:58:18 (ZULU)

Moe-ski...

>" I take a nap for year and a half, come back and nothings changed. I guess that's good! Now I won't have to read all the archives to catch up!"<

Oh no... not so fast.

Start reading, there will be a test next Wednesday ;))

Welcome back.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, June 19, 2007, at 15:48:02 (ZULU)

'Lito,

<<The folks involved are moving a big operation - and the gun was given to the guy that does all the 308 stuff, and it went down hill from there.

It's OK now.>>>

That's what counts. As I said, and easy mistake to make, hard to debate. Easily enough rectified in the right hands..We have had problems in the past with the secretary assuming a 300 win mag is a 300 Win Short Mag, for example, when she writes the order up...When it comes to fitting the barrel, we're like hey? long action hon...Let's go over this order again eh..

JR
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland United Kingdom - Tuesday, June 19, 2007, at 20:05:45 (ZULU)

JR-"long action hon...Let's go over this order again eh.."

Sounds like a proposition, to the secretary.... :8-o

Duman
Tuesday, June 19, 2007, at 20:25:15 (ZULU)

Dewman,

You dorrty, dorrty, filthy, bastord..hahah..Not even with yours mate..Kinda 60'ish granny like and built like a Hobbit.

JR
Langholm, Dumfriesshire, Scotland United Kingdom - Tuesday, June 19, 2007, at 22:03:52 (ZULU)

Anyone have an opinion on the Nightforce 5.5 x 22 x 50 NXS scope or the MLR reticle they offer? I picked up a 'half off any scope' certificate at this year's ASC match and this is the optic I'm thinking about buying...

medicjim
Tuesday, June 19, 2007, at 23:52:10 (ZULU)

Medicjim you have a message inbound with no attachments.

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Wednesday, June 20, 2007, at 04:05:09 (ZULU)

medicjim,

On the Nightforce scope...

You could do a lot worse and not much better.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Wednesday, June 20, 2007, at 04:58:08 (ZULU)

Moe,

Welcome Back.

Travis, That was tough but I would not call those full power punches. Impressive none the less.

Dirty Steve.........

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Wednesday, June 20, 2007, at 06:42:20 (ZULU)

Gentleman,

Well, so far so good with the Super sniper scope. So far it has proved impressive, especially for a 400 dollar scope. The TPS rings also seem to be a quality product comparable to Badger rings, for consideralby less.I have all of about 40 rounds through the system so far, so it is still early.

A friend sent me a eagle stock pack aka removeable cheek pad. NIce piece of gear. Has a suede like material the really seems to help with cheek weld, is the right height (for me anyway) has 5 elastic loop for ammo and a little, zippered storage compartment the right size for a lens pen, slope doper, peanut M & Ms, a tin of cope, etc etc.

Hope all is swell.

Pat II
Thursday, June 21, 2007, at 03:57:47 (ZULU)

She got dinner out late so I had the whole bottle of wine done by that tiem. Didn't eat much. I'll try to make this as clear as possible.

I had a little problem with my Redding type S resizer the other day. The guy at Redding said he'd never heard of anything like it.

Started with brand new Lapua brass for .243. Beautiful stuff. The necks measured .271 outside and .015 wall thickness. They did not want to go into the die. I figured out that the mouth was catching on the expander ball and it felt like it was hitting a wall. Not a sloped or increasing diameter cone but a solid wall. So I forced a few of them to see what would happen. Tore up the necks a little bit. Two of them had brass slivers fall out. I could feel them go up into the sizing bushing and then they were a bitch to pull out again. They came out with the necks the exact same size as they went in at .271. I pulled the expander ball out and it measured .242. So what's the point of having a certain size bushing if the friggin ball brings it right back out? This hasn't happened on my .308 or .260 which uses the same type of die.

I called Sinclair and ordered the expander die with mandrels for the other calibers I shoot. The die is around 18 bucks and the mandrels about 8 bucks each. So now I'll run them all through the mandrel expander first. Then I'll throw out the expander ball in the Redding dies and just use the bushing to bring it back down to the size I want when I full length resize.

Whaddya ya'll think? Alan? Lito? Yote Bait? Come on uout.

Feelin no pain

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Thursday, June 21, 2007, at 04:43:07 (ZULU)

Guys,

Plannin' on picking up a 2002 crew cab dually 4X4 Chevrolet 3500 w/6.6 Duramax(That's an HD, son!) tomorrow morning, and was wondering if any of you know of any possible landmines in this setup.

JR,

LOL, my wife's built like a hobbitt, come to think of it..... A Hobbitt that doesn't read the roster!

Steve,

I know they're not gonna be full power, but the wind it'd take to punch that fast, that long is truly impressive. I used to love fighting guys that thought they had an edge beause they ran a lot. Running don't mean shit when you're fighting someone that does half their cardio on a heavy bag. I bet their wrists don't make that cool popping sound mine do, though.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, June 21, 2007, at 05:41:46 (ZULU)

MarcS...

>"I'll try to make this as clear as possible."<

HA!... after a full bottle of wine ;) gooooood luck!

The Redding dies have the worst designed expander ball of any of the manufactures - BAR NONE!! (The Hornady is the bestest)

The damn thing is shaped like a barrel with square ends, and a tiny rounded edge... so expanding is not a gradual thing, it up and over in a fet thou of movement of the ram.

I once (many years ago) lifted my whole loading bench off the floor, trying to get the ball out of a new .308 case... and that's doubly hard to do when you see the ton of junk on my loading bench!

I remove the expander ball out of ALL Redding dies, before I even put them in the press for the first time.

If expanding is needed, I strongly recommend the Lyman "M" die as a separate step. The die has a pointed tip that goes into the case and gently expands the case neck... then near the top, there is a very slight flair that should be adjusted to just give enough flair that the bullet will sit on the case without falling over, but you can't see the flair... sounds hard to do, but it is easy.

Expanding, when necessary, should ALWAYS be done as a separate step.

On the Sinclair things... they are designed to step up cases when making wildcats, as in making 6mm-250 cases out of .22-250 cases... not for what we are talkin' about here.

They are not expanders for finished cases. Cancel the order (or send them back). when you finish using a Sinclair expander, you still have to run the case through a normal sizing die, which brings you back to where you started this thing :((

Travis...

>"... and was wondering if any of you know of any possible landmines in this setup."<

Yeah!

Parkin' it in my driveway for two days, and expecting it to be there when you got back ;)

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, June 21, 2007, at 11:18:01 (ZULU)

'Lito,

NOT funny. My neighbor, who just got sent away for burglary, came home yesterday. What a piece of shit. You'd think the cops I was helping to catch him woulda given me a heads up.

Guys,

Am I the only one that's not exactly cheering about Sammy (the needle) Sosa breaking 600?

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, June 21, 2007, at 11:44:42 (ZULU)

Mourning guys,

Lito,I just got done talking to the rifle builder.The chamber is going to be about .003 to .005 over my loaded round.And the throat is going to be cut for the 175smk.about how many rounds am I going to get of the case before they start getting tight to remove.I am going to be using the redding comp neck bushing dies.If they do get tight,I should use the body die that comes with the kit right.Tell me if this sounds good.

jon

Jon Kujawa
Thursday, June 21, 2007, at 16:25:34 (ZULU)

Travis...

>" NOT funny. My neighbor, who just got sent away for burglary, came home yesterday. What a piece of shit. You'd think the cops I was helping to catch him woulda given me a heads up.'<

That's a double reason to leave it in my driveway... it'll still get stole, but at least you will know it went for a good cause - I promise to take it shooting at least twice a month ;)

Some of you ol' guys will remember the days when you called a gun related company, and the person you spoke to (except maybe the phone lady) was a shooter, and knew exactly what you were talking about... ('yotie, common there!!)

Well... I called Hoppe's this morning, except that you can't call Hoppe's anymore. Hoppe's now belongs to Bushnell, which has become another corporate holding company, like Blount.

So I call the Bushnell 800 number, and get the phone lady. I ask to speak to a chemist in the Hoppe's division, and she tell me that she is a technical expert in the product, and can answer my questions. (Like they have a chemist answering the phones???)

The "expert" on the phone was the phone lady, and she gave me wrong answers to the questions I asked, so I asked to speak to her supervisor.

I get a snot ball who doesn't know what I'm talking about... I ask him "Do you know what the green is on a patch that comes out of the gun?"... and he says it could be "anything"(???)

I ask him is he uses the product, and he says that he uses it every night. I ask him what caliber is his gun... and there is silence(?????).

So I ask to speak to HIS supervisor, and I get another asshole... I finely give up.

I wonder if Hoppe's even exists as a company anymore, or if they bought the name and are having it made in Mexico?

I really fuckin' hate what is happening to the country that I knew and grew up in!!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, June 21, 2007, at 16:38:38 (ZULU)

'Lito,

I'm feelin' ya on the state of the union. (Ya might not wanna listen to Hank Jr.'s "USA today" song for a while)

If we're not having to deal with some self righteous dipshit that's mad because we're not asking the questions that he has answers for in the script in front of him, we're being burned at the stake for being insensitive to the weaknesses in people who don't care to improve themselves. It seems like this "sensitivity" horseshit is just breeding complacency (sp?) and stupidity.

How often do you meet people anymore that TRY to find an answer when one is not provided? That's why it's so hard to find a mechanic that's worth shit! If your truck don't spit out a code, it MUST not be broke!

WTF ever happened to American ingenuity? Pride in workmanship? I'm selling plain Jane holsters, and people just seem thrilled with the fact that they actually fit the gun! Everyone just accepts the fact that they need two hands to get their gun out of their holster, but won't be bothered with the half an hour it takes to wet fit them to their gun!

<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Stomping off to the shop to beat the shit out of somethin' with a big hammer! (while waiting to hear about his damn truck loan!) >>>>>>>>>>>>

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, June 21, 2007, at 19:19:11 (ZULU)

Carfull on the mechanic comment,Im one.

Jon Kujawa
Thursday, June 21, 2007, at 19:28:12 (ZULU)

Guys,

Darwin strikes again! Click my name.

Jon,

Re-read, and if the shoe fits......

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, June 21, 2007, at 19:58:29 (ZULU)

The problem with that is the cheap ass customers dont want to pay to drive a truck all day long that has a problem evey other full moon.And I don't think you relize that we get paid by the job.

Jon Kujawa
Thursday, June 21, 2007, at 20:12:03 (ZULU)

re: Redding dies:

OTOH, their "optional" carbide expander is the smoothest design

I've seen. Not available for all inside diameters, but highly recommended when available. I have them for *all* my conventional Redding rifle dies.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_2_49/ai_95680064

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, June 21, 2007, at 21:16:37 (ZULU)

'Lito:

re: green patches.

Got a friend with an atomic absorption spectrophotometer?

Perhaps someone in a water-quality testing lab? (Just a guess that they use AAS).

Would probably tell you in a jiffy :-)

http://www.chemistry.org/portal/a/c/s/1/feature_tea.html?id=c373e9fc5e4e9a828f6a4fd8fe800100

(But you probably already knew that...)

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, June 21, 2007, at 21:33:18 (ZULU)

Guys,

***SPEW ALERT***Click my name.***SPEW ALERT***

Rod,

Dangit, I just sold my super atomic whoosywhatsit at the garage sale last weekend.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, June 22, 2007, at 00:51:16 (ZULU)

Travis-your links aren't working, at least for me.

WR Moore
Friday, June 22, 2007, at 01:06:32 (ZULU)

Premier Boosted Scopes......

There is not an eyepiece stop on a Premier Boosted Scope. I now know this to be true. Scope is on it's way to Premier....damn it.

R-P Products C.O.L. E-Z Check

Randy has agreed to fab longer E-Z Check rods. I told him to build me 2 at 42" and 1 at 36" to use up a stock length 10' stick. If you guys with longer barrels want a longer stick shoot Randy an email at r_reeves61@bellsouth.net. Lito and I swear by Randy's overall length checkers. I wish he'd put up a website to show you folks how they work. I can get more consistant cartridge overall length readings with this rod over the Stoney Point.

Moe........

Welcome back old friend.

Bolt out!

Bolt
Friday, June 22, 2007, at 01:33:47 (ZULU)

Thanks for the straight scoop 'Lito! I was under the impression that expanding is necessary on new brass to make sure the neck and mouth are perfectly round. Is this true? Could I just skip the expanding step altogether and go straight to sizing? If so then when is expanding required? I ran a few pieces through the sizer w/out the ball and the neck bushing seemed to work perfectly. The guy from Sinclair told me I can't count on that alone and that I should always expand on the new, unfired brass. By the way the brass did not touch the F/L die anywhere else but the neck.

This is the first time I've used Lapua brass and it is very nice. Do you guys ever just prime and go with it? I'm wondering if I could skip uniforming the pockets, deburring the flasholes and trimming/chamfering. I hate doing all of that shit and I'd love to skip those parts if I could. I'm not looking to count the number of thousandths from my group sizes I just want to win matches in tactical and high power shooting.

Whew! That should be enough questions until I get home from work tomorrow night.

I have to put in a shameless plug for a guy named Mike Cecil of CS Gunworks. He shoots with us in Sacramento and has a background in highpower and palma. He always helps out with the matches, supports our big match with lots of goodies for the prize table, and gives great customer service as well as very good prices. Right now he's taking a Schmidt and Bender 4-16X50 off of one of his personal rifles and mailing it to me so I can use it in the upcoming match in So Cal. I was so shocked I didn't know what to say. So I said that's a stupid move because he might not ever get it back HA! All of the high quality euro trash optics, nylon gear, precision rifle ammo and more with LE and active duty discounts. Try him out at http://www.csgunworks.com/ but understand that his website is way outdated. He carries much more than you see there.

I think I'll be shooting a rifle that's worth as much as my truck!

Thanks fellas,

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Friday, June 22, 2007, at 04:03:17 (ZULU)

re: brass prep

Based on reports and personal experience, Lapua and Norma brass have drilled, not punched flash holes. Not much advantage in uniforming a drilled flash hole.

The Norma .308 Win brass I examined had much more weight variance than the Lapua I acquired.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, June 22, 2007, at 05:08:33 (ZULU)

The fellah at Bushnell probably DOES use Hoppe's every night.....as a personal lubricant. Which probably is why he is of the opinion that the green stuff that comes out "could be anything".....

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Friday, June 22, 2007, at 05:29:08 (ZULU)

MarcS,

Don't know about other calibers, but new .308 Lapua brass is entirely too tight in the neck. I have a die with a .308 expander mandrel I got from Sinclair that I use on every new Lapua case I load. Put a little Imperial Sizing Wax on a cotton swab, run that around the inside of the case neck and run the mandrel thru the neck. You wind up with about 1 - 2 thousandths neck tension. Load and shoot. You only need to expand the necks on the first loading, but you probably had that part already figured out.

YMMV

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Friday, June 22, 2007, at 06:13:19 (ZULU)

Jon, "Carfull on the mechanic comment,Im one." Mechnaics are great to know and have working at your shop. It's the folks that say they are mechanics but can't fix shit if they don't have a computer to tell them what the problem is. The computer mechanic will replace 4 parts when only one was dorked up.

Travis, They let them folks out as soon as they post bail. If he did time they won't tell us when he is getting released.

Dirty Steve..........

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Friday, June 22, 2007, at 06:39:18 (ZULU)

Travis wrote -

>>>Guys,

***SPEW ALERT***Click my name.***SPEW ALERT***<<<

Remember the scene in "Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid" where Butch and Kid try to open the safe in the train? HA!

Moe

Moe Mensale
Boca Raton, FL, USofA - Friday, June 22, 2007, at 12:08:48 (ZULU)

JC:

The Redding carbide expander doesn't need any neck lube. Pulls thru with minimal effort (and minimal stretch lengthening). That's two reasons why I like it.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, June 22, 2007, at 12:27:51 (ZULU)

Mechanics??/

True story that we are living through right now.

Two weeks ago, Mary's "Needs service" light came on (2002 Pathfinder).

So the mechanic plugged in the computer to the car, and it said replace the right oxygen sensor. He did, she paid $350~ish.

The next day the "Needs service" light came on.

The mechanic plugged in the computer to the car, and it said replace the left oxygen sensor. He did, she paid $350~ish.

The next day the "Needs service" light came on.

It said replace the catalytic converter. She did... it cost more than the other two pieces parts together :((

The next day the "Needs service" light came on.

Now, the mechanic says that his computer says that HER CAR'S computer might be at fault (which means that all the other pieces parts weren't necessary)... and to replace HER computer so it will talk to HIS computer, cost more than she has spent so far!

:(((

I told her I could fix it. She asked how? I told her I would take out the little light bulb... she didn't like that! :((

My truck (four door '91 Montero) doesn't have a computer... I had the starter replaced last month. He said "How much longer are you gonna drive this thing".

I said, Why?" He said, "Cuz it's got almost 300,000 on it."

I said, "Another ten years, it's just gettin' broken in."

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, June 22, 2007, at 14:26:31 (ZULU)

"Plannin' on picking up a 2002 crew cab dually 4X4 Chevrolet 3500 w/6.6 Duramax(That's an HD, son!) tomorrow morning, and was wondering if any of you know of any possible landmines in this setup."

There were problems with the injectors on the 01-04 D-max trucks. You should find out if the truck had them replaced (which would be a good thing 'cause the new ones were supposed to be better). If it's got less than 200,000 miles on it then it probably is covered under the special injector service program.

I have an 01 with 110k on it. First 50k had no major issues. I ran a chip in it and burned through the tranny at around 50k. Replaced the injectors at around 65k (known weakness with these trucks). Had a perforated head which was replaced at 80k. Blew the turbo due to injesting a dry rotted grommet (the one that holds the air filter restriction gauge in the intake tube) at about 90k. At about 100k I had to replace all soft fuel lines due to cracking and air leaks.

Right now I have a beefed up trans, 4" exhaust, CAI, and a custom tuned TCM - truck runs great and I have about 480 horses at the rear wheels which is close to double what the truck has stock.

Click my name for the best place on the web to read all about the d-max trucks.

LTChip
Old Hangtown, CA, - Friday, June 22, 2007, at 15:51:17 (ZULU)

LtChip: Diesel pickup purchase...."

Bail out... Go straight to the Dodge Dealer... Get the Dodge 2500 or 3500 with the Cummins turbo diesel. In 2004, they went to what's called 'common rail' injection.... They run strong, quiet and of course - cummins speaks for itself... Millions of miles on US highways...

Output for the 2004 is 601 ftpounds of torque... and they get better each year after that... I 40K miles on my 2004... No complaints... There are quite a few earlier dodge's with cummins still on the road....

I'm told that if you like to play with things abit - then they really open up and run....

whew!!! ya - abit long and off topic... but -- needed to say that

Good luck either way....

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Friday, June 22, 2007, at 16:37:03 (ZULU)

Diesel Country. I'm I the only smart guy here. I mean I drive a 2005 Ford King Ranch F350 Dually 4X4. Can not beat the International engine in them. (I had a really bad experience with Dodges, really it don't matter what you choose to drive it's your money. I just like Ford best, to each his own). But the Ford engine in the Dodge aint bad. Yeah Ford owns Cummins. Any way Ford will have a diesel Ford F150 out next year, or 2009. I read it in Diesel World magazine. It will have the same engine as the Range Rover diesel. Thinking about putting a DNA exhaust on mine to imporve air flow a little. Anyone have any experience with them?

Dirty Steve..........

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Friday, June 22, 2007, at 17:39:58 (ZULU)

I'm still waiting for the trucks to become realistic in terms of cost. I bought a VW Jetta diesel in 2006....I'm getting a consistant economy better than 46 MPG and it's not bad in terms of performance.

medicjim
Friday, June 22, 2007, at 18:28:21 (ZULU)

MedicJim,

I bought mine used in 2006 for 35K. Way less than the 50K sticker price. Some concrete cowboy had to have it and then decided it was hard to park, keep full of fuel and stuff.

DirtySteve....

dirty steve
Friday, June 22, 2007, at 20:16:19 (ZULU)

Ford does not own or ever did own cummins,go to the cummins web site to bust that myth.They own a few shares of stock but then it was bought back.

In terms of cummins you dont see dodge guys pulling there engines and putting ford ones.But you see fords with the great cummins in them all of the time.

Jon Kujawa
Friday, June 22, 2007, at 21:11:20 (ZULU)

http://www.cummins.com/cmi/content.jsp?siteId=1&langId=1033&menuId=6&overviewId=29&anchorId=30&menuIndex=3&index=1#Q27.

Comes right from the site

Jon Kujawa
Friday, June 22, 2007, at 21:36:31 (ZULU)

Dirty Steve,

I have an 2001 F150 with a 4.6L (similar to the old 289 cu inch) an 5-speed manual transmission. A solid platform for my needs. I put a camper shell on it, which allowed me to register it as a passenger vehicle instead of a business vehicle in Kalifornya. Saved a lotta bucks there. It has about 86K miles on it.

Last year, I decided to modify the truck. I did a cost analysis and decided that I was going to keep the truck until it fell apart and it was worthwhile to upgrade it. Here's a list:

- GPS. I go a long way sometimes and while I always carry a map and directions, I can do math in my head to figger out time to arrival, milage, cost of the trip, etc.

- bucket seats with 5-point racing seatbelt. I have back problems from my career as a Soldier. The bench seats killed me after about 4 hours. I completed a 3500 mile trip in 4 days in December 2006 and my back was fine even on 14 hour days.

- Brush bar with fog lights and long-range lights. Headlights replaced with HID's. Really lights up the road.

- K&N aircharger system with Granitelli Mass Air Flow sensor and PowerAid throttle body spacer. The intake breathed a lot easier.

- JBL headers and Jardine 3 inch exhaust with muffler. Probably should have gone with a 2 1/2 exhaust for low end torque as the power band really starts about 3000 RPM.

- Electric radiator fans. Picked up about 15 HP here.

- Computer upgrade to make the engine more responsive. If you do this, be sure to change to the original program when you go for your smog check. One thing I have noticed is that the exhaust does not have any soot on it which means the engine is burning really clean. Maybe 20 more HP.

- Edelbrock shock absorbers and helper springs on the rear springs. Overkill most of the time, but when when I made the 3500 mile trip, it really helped with the load of 1,407 pounds of crap I packed. Most of the time, the truck corners like my old sports car.

- Milage - about the same 14mpg in the city and 16mpg in the hiway, but LOTS more fun. YMMV.

On New Years Eve, I traveled from Phoenix to somewhere in Arizona at 100 mph for more than 2 hours. Anyone with any sense was at home and I figgered the police would be looking for drunks. The engine breathed easy.

If I had done some more research, I would have gone for the I-6 Diesel in the 250 cu inch range.

Have fun.

Trajan

Trajan Aurelius
East Bay, CA, USA!!! - Saturday, June 23, 2007, at 00:15:03 (ZULU)

"..I bought a VW Jetta diesel in 2006....I'm getting a consistant economy better than 46 MPG and it's not bad in terms of performance...."

MedicJim: You're spot on there. The VW TDI diesels have quite a following. A comrade of mine @ work has the 2005 TDI... Heck - it gets better mileage than the hybrids out there.... VW's got that pretty well figured out.

Take care all,

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Saturday, June 23, 2007, at 00:58:44 (ZULU)

IFS will keep me a GM man.

Plus I love the power adders available for the D-max.

EFILive is the SW I use to program my ECM

LTChip
Saturday, June 23, 2007, at 05:07:27 (ZULU)

rod regier,

Got some sort of phobia about expander balls on de-capping stems. Basically, I just don't want to pull an expander ball back thru the case neck I just sized. Somethin' about that just doesn't seem right. Only time my case necks get expanded by something other than expanding gases when the round goes off is when I first get 'em. Thus, the die with the expander mandrel. Gives me almost perfect neck tension on my first loading. After firing (and expanding the case neck) I use a Redding Competition neck sizing die with the appropriate size titanium-nitride neck bushing to get it back to the right size.. Gives me, once again, almost perfect neck tension.

YMMV

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Saturday, June 23, 2007, at 05:19:30 (ZULU)

Jon, I heard it from a guy who I figgured would know. Guess I shoulda did a fact check. Come to think of it never saw it listed on the Ford site. They whole which engine is better thing just depends on personal preferance more than anything. All makers have made mistakes.

Trajan,

I put over 200K on a 1997 Expedition. It had the 5.4 more engine than it needed. I put just shy of 200K on my 1997 Dodge 2500. You sure stuck a lot of money in that truck. It's good to be an American, huh? I keep mine vehicles till they wont give me crap on a trade in. But I trade it anyway just to get a way from they dang things at that point. I asked the last guy what he would give me for my Dogde. He said,"I wont charge you to leave it there." 1997 red Dodges had really crappy paint that just peeled off. Plus I hit assorted animals with it too. The brush guard did little to stop the cow I hit.

Gunna shoot some more pistols this week end. I put new scopes on my two 38 stupids. Aim Point on one and Burris Speed dot on the other. One is a Les Baer the other was made in New Zeland or the Land Down Under. Some how I still want another 1911. Five just ain enough.

Dirty STeve......

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Saturday, June 23, 2007, at 07:08:45 (ZULU)

LT Chip

A friend of mine had an 02 3500 not a dually, but he couldn't get 40k on a set of tires. Mileage on the 5.8 (5.7?) gas was barely 10mpg. I just stuck $2k in the front end of my F 250 with 125k miles i'll get another 100k out of her, they won't give me nothing in trade any way.

Dirty Steve

Speaking of 1911's i picked up a Colt Series 70 last week new in box never fired. Now i can't bring myself to shoot it. I guess i'll have to ware out my Colt Delta Elite 10 mm first. The guys got Winchester M1 Carbine and a International Harvester M1 Garand the he's laening towards selling. I can see i'm going to broke again.

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Saturday, June 23, 2007, at 12:18:41 (ZULU)

Dirty Steve: "Some how I still want another 1911."

Just one more. Might as well face it...

Bivouac Gear: Besides sleeping with the deer the night before opening day, I haven't done any backpacking since the kids were born. They are old enough now to go along so I've been updating my gear.

The gear isn't like it used to be; It's WAY better. Ultralight titanium cook pots that nest with each other and/or with Nalgene bottles or tiny propane stoves, ultralight properly tensioned tarps that make the pancho hooch look like an old joke, LED flashlights, titanium tent pegs...all designed by people who know how tools are supposed to work. This gear is much less bulky, much lighter, much more convenient to use and - other than the stove - much more expensive.

I wonder if I'll still be able to afford a 600cm Jap sports bike, racing lessons and a beard combover in to next year's budget.

CDC'
Saturday, June 23, 2007, at 14:27:49 (ZULU)

I now have a new GAP built 7WSM in a Win 70 action. Barrel is a 1:9, 25"

I've got H4831SC and RL22 on hand, Winchester virgin brass, CCI mag primers and Sierra 175s (no moly). I plan to try the 180 grain Bergers as well.

I'm looking for any prep tips, sweet spots either in velocity or load amounts that others have experienced. What should be possible in terms of velocity with this combo?

medicjim
Saturday, June 23, 2007, at 15:38:55 (ZULU)

CDC: Look at the new JetBoil (www.jetboil.com)system. Last week, at Badlands, the students were taking a lunch break at the 1K range. Most of them were eating cold sammiches or crackers and such. I whipped out the Jetboil and stood there holding it while it cooked up a hot meal for me. In my hand. Isobutane fuel, piezoelectric ignitor, the whole shebang stores inside itself in a package no bigger than a mid-size can of beans. It'll boil 2 cups of water in about 2 minutes or less. $70 at Sportsmen's Warehouse. The new stuff is great, ain't it? I can carry,now, in a medium 3-day pack ,what used to make me look like Quasimodo with his sister on his back.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Saturday, June 23, 2007, at 16:24:04 (ZULU)

JC:

If you're happy with the neck bushing system I'm certainly not going to talk you out of it. It works the brass the least necessary, which is a good thing.

My primary argument against it is that it can only push necks in one direction - inward. If the case neck is distorted for any reason other than from launching a projectile, then the bushing alone may not be enough to return it to a symmetric diameter. (Shipping dents, handling damage, etc). That means any asymmetric necks will be final-inside sized by the projectile you're seating. The other complication to the bushing system is that you need a family of bushings if you encounter brass with different wall thickness. That's (of course) most common if you deal with more than one headstamp brass. I don't mix headstamps when making "production" lots of ammunition, but I'm not rich enough to standardize on Lapua-only brass.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, June 23, 2007, at 18:29:58 (ZULU)

Dirty Steve,

Yes, it is good to be able to pour money into a truck. :) Now I can carry all my guns at one time...

About stoves - check out the Thermette at http://www.thermette.com/index.htm. If all you need to do is boil water, which is about half the time for me, it looks like a good idea. Burns anything.

I've used several stoves when camping. The Coleman multi-fuel stove is the least finicky. The MSR Whisper-Lite is the lightest and most carried. Esbit/trioxane is useful and I have one in my kit. I also carry several tea candles to keep warm. Sit on one blanket and wrap a blanket around your shoulders. Place the candle in the void. Leave your head outside of the blanket. I helped a couple of really chilled troops like this. They were probably hypothermic, but stopped shivering after about 20 minutes.

Trajan

Trajan Aurelius
East Bay, CA, USA!!! - Saturday, June 23, 2007, at 18:55:10 (ZULU)

Traditions Country:

I was just looking thru a photo album prepared for me by my aunt in the last few years.

I had discussed some photographs with her earlier which included some military rifle range pictures of her father (USMC late WWI). He completed basic after the 1918 Armistice. (So she knows of my interest in shooting and marksmenship.)

One of the items she included was from her uncle's past (my great uncle). It was his letter award for 1936-1937 for the Rifle Team of Missisippi State College. That institution was renamed Mississippi State University in 1958. I was encouraged to determine that there is today still the Bulldog Army/ROTC Rifle Team at Mississippi State University.

http://www.msstate.edu/web/orgs/search_for_one.php?org=Bulldog%20Army/ROTC%20Rifle%20Team

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, June 23, 2007, at 23:58:10 (ZULU)

Hawgs,

Major Joe is alive and well. He, along with his lovely wife, Angie, Bravo from the roster, and Sarge were here this past week for a Advanced Phase I Sniper Course. Mrs. Major Joe CAN Shoot! It was a honor to have them here. Major Joe and Bravo polished the Bruce plaque and hoisted one in his honor. Angie was a real trooper, hanging in there for the long days and nights, and during night fire she was steadily drilling five hundred yard steel, without the aid of night vision.

Bravo has one HELL of a M1A1 !! Bravo,if you ever need anyone to babysit her, just let me know!

Sarge hung right in there with all the rest of the young bucks, thru the sweltering heat early in the week to the storms later in the week, and even showed em a thing or two!

Can't remember when I have had as much fun as I have had the past week! Too bad Chuck H. couldn't have been here too!

If ya'll dont' know it yet, this bar is the best place in hyperspace. Other boards refer to SC as "dinosaurs". Oh well...Steve and I have been called dinosaurs too, and are DAMN proud of that fact! You damn sure won't find a more knowledgable group of riflemen than what you will find hanging out here.

Bobby Whittington
Grandfield, OK, USA - Sunday, June 24, 2007, at 02:08:17 (ZULU)

"You damn sure won't find a more knowledgable group of riflemen than what you will find hanging out here."

Amen to that

UnPat

UnPat
Wi , USA - Sunday, June 24, 2007, at 02:26:43 (ZULU)

Sometime in the late Triassic, I bought something called a "Zip Stove" (click). A AA battery runs a little fan that acts as a bellows to burn anything flammable. The damned thing works. For most trips it replaced my Svea 123.

As soon as it's delivered, I'm going to give...

CDC'
Sunday, June 24, 2007, at 05:04:17 (ZULU)

...a Snow Peak Gigapower (click) a try. It fits in the same company's various nesting titanium pots and cup. The on-line reviews are good, but I haven't used them yet.

When I do, I'll report back. The reports are that it doesn't work below about 14 degrees farenheit. That could stink.

When going out for a quick night in the weeds, I usually cold-camp. Smells and monkey motion can't make it any easier to remain undetected. Sometimes I take along one of those little folding trioxane stoves.

CDC'
Sunday, June 24, 2007, at 05:14:40 (ZULU)

rod,

"If the case neck is distorted for any reason other than from launching a projectile, then the bushing alone may not be enough to return it to a symmetric diameter."

That's one of the things the expander mandrel is good for. Does a great job.

CDC',

That Snow Peak Gigapower ain't the only thing that doesn't work below 14 degrees F. Not well, anyway.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Sunday, June 24, 2007, at 05:58:44 (ZULU)

I got my Sinclair expander die with the mandrels I mentioned earlier. It seems to work well so I think I'll keep it. This will be the first time I've ever decided to go against 'Lito's advice on something so I hope it doesn't bite me in the ass LOL.

I got a little imperial wax on my fingertips and rolled a qtip on them for a very light coating on the cotton. I ran that around the inside of the neck and this would get about ten of them done before I applied more wax. It ran over the mandrel as smooth as silk and made the necks all perfectly round. Then I cleaned out the wax with a few quick spins of a clean qtip. I think I should probably use a solvent of some kind to make sure I get it all but I didn't have any today so I just did it with what I had. It was only the thinnest possible application of wax anyway. Then they went into the sizing die with the S bushing in place and the factory expander ball removed. Right now I have a bushing that only gives me 2 thou in neck tension but I'd like more for running through a magazine in an abusive manner. I'll order a smaller one on Monday to add to my growing collection.

I hope I don't hurt myself by trying so many new things before a match. New barrel in a cart I've never worked with, new scope, moly bullets which I've never tried, reloading procedures I've never done and almost no time to prepare. I'll have only one day to break in, zero out to 600 yards and lay down some more moly before packing it up dirty. I'll be dead in the water if I have a problem of any kind with my load. I'm loading up all 300 rounds and leaving for the range before firing a single shot. I'll have 100 to practice with and 200 for the match. That's it. The load is Lapua brass, Fed 210M, 42 gr of H4350 and a 115 moly DTAC seated to 2.860 average. I'm expecting 2,975-ish from that out of a 26" tube. We'll see.

Meanwhile my .260 is calling me from the safe "Marc I'm here, I'm reliable, I've done well for you, I'm an extension of your body" HA! I'll make sure to have it ready with enough ammo just in case.

I need to go back and read the discussions I skimmed over about powder measures from a month or so ago. I remember making a full of shit comment about mine throwing within a half grain grain plus or minus. It seemed right at the time but today I really paid attention to it. It's much better than that once it's thrown a few charges and I don't screw with it.

You guys wanna place bets on how long it will take for CDC to get a rice rocket?

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Sunday, June 24, 2007, at 07:03:04 (ZULU)

MarcS: Yep. That's changing a bunch of things at once. If you do it right, it doesn't take that much to adequately check out a rifle. It does, however, take more than it sounds like you have done. If my goal was to win the match, I'd take the .260.

Around here winter is the time to buy bikes. Dumb kid working construction buys bike he can't afford, work falls off, wife and/or girlfriend problems, bike sits in garage a couple of months...

Cheap .300 mags are even easier. I got my Sendero and 17 rounds of factory ammo for a song. He'd even wiped the blood off the scope.

CDC'
Sunday, June 24, 2007, at 12:47:52 (ZULU)

CDC...

It was the same here with the 44 mag craze in the '80s - '90s. Like new S&W 44 mags for less than 1/2 price, only fired 6 times ;)))

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, Da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, June 24, 2007, at 13:21:00 (ZULU)

Ammo Country

Does anybody have any first hand knowledge of the quality of the ammo coming out of The Hunting Shack in Montana?

How does it compare to Fed GMM and Black Hills? I'm looking for alternative sources for 175gr (.308) and 75gr (.223) match ammo.

Moe

Moe Mensale
Boca Raton, FL, USofA - Sunday, June 24, 2007, at 14:37:08 (ZULU)

Bobby: Wish I could have been there, too. Lt. was none too happy about me being gon all that time, and the Sgt. was (and is) being a real richard about it. Think I'll do it again, next month, just to piss them off. I've spent the last 20 making nice to everyone, I've only got about seven months to just hack everyone off! Bravo, it was cool to meet you at last, wish I'd had time to stay and hang out with youse guys. I really wanted to meet Maj. Joe. I'd like to sit and pick his brains about some things, and fling some metal downrange with all of you. Maybe later. New Year shoot will be coming up before you know it!

I'm off to meet Boudica for dinner and a movie. Apparently, I've been making great strides in "sharing my feelings" and all that. I told her that I still ain't reading Cosmopolitan for any reason. It's hard to get in touch with your feminine side when you don't have one.....but I do want my Jeep back, so I guess I'll go along with it for now.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Sunday, June 24, 2007, at 17:17:25 (ZULU)

Gentlemen,

Good News: A .308 SSG with a Super Sniper is not cutting edge stuff, but it sure is fun to play with. Got data out to 500 yards yesterday. Very happy with the results. I forget who is was on the roster who steered me to XSsights for the weaver mount for the SSG, but thanks, it works great.

Bad News: I am about two weeks late on this thread, but on the way home from the range, my U joint on my Land Rover, disintigrated, taking out my transmission in the process. Not good.

Pat II
Sunday, June 24, 2007, at 17:58:46 (ZULU)

Talk about man vs. wild! Check out these links:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19374624/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19332095/

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, June 24, 2007, at 18:26:40 (ZULU)

Bobby,

Forgot to ask - How are your deputies doing? The motorcycle wreck made the news up here in Wichita. Didn't hear the whole story, but it sounded like one was okay, and the other is in bad shape. Prayers sent.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, June 24, 2007, at 18:42:19 (ZULU)

re: Accu-Shot monopod

Has anyone resolved the compatability issue between the Eagle stock pack and the Accu-Shot monopod?

http://www.snipercountry.com/InReviews/AccushotMonopod.asp

"The Monopod's design precludes it from completely folding up against the stock toe when an Eagle Shooters Stock Pack is wrapped around the stock."

http://www.accu-shot.com/

http://www.eagleindustries.com/prd_detail.asp?ProdID=53&CatID=88&SubCatID=77

http://www.snipercountry.com/InReviews/EagleIndustries_SSP.asp

I would like to test out the concept of the Accu-shot, but I also really like the Eagle stock pack that I'm currently using.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, June 25, 2007, at 00:29:44 (ZULU)

Chuck,

I have a feminine side but she is in Missourri. If I was single I would read "Cosmo". You must know how the other side thinks in order to become victorious. Luckily I'm married and don't need no readin ur learnin.

44 mags. I owned the exact same one three times. I wish I could find it one last time. 4" model 29. Elmer's favorite.

Dirty Steve.....

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Monday, June 25, 2007, at 02:53:54 (ZULU)

Chuck,

Not a nicer guy around than Major Joe,and he is pretty darn sharp. If I was still active, I would have loved to have served with him. I hear ya on the Lt's and Sgt's. PIA they can be. Just hang in there..not much longer and they can kiss yers!LOL

Travis,

Those deputies injured in the accident were from Oklahoma County, not my county. One is still in pretty bad shape, but is expected to pull thru, thank goodness. Thank you for asking about them, and keeping them in your thoughts and prayers!

Moe,

I have shot some of the HSM ammo, and it shot very well..just as good as BH or Fed GM in my stick. Have had a private class going on this weekend with 4 hunters that want to improve their long range skills. They are shooting HSM ammo with the Game King (grn tip) bullet. It is performing very well also. They are holding 1.5 MOA out to 500 yards with it. Only thing that I didn't like about the HSM stuff is that it seemed to be "dirtier" than my handloads or the other ammo I mentioned when I went to clean my rifle. Much more carbon fouling.

Bobby Whittington
Grandfield, Ok, USA - Monday, June 25, 2007, at 03:33:05 (ZULU)

My "Cosmo" move from 30 years ago: Sit on the young lady's couch and pick up her Cosmo. A blonde aerobics instructor works just fine. Turn to table of contents where it always has something like "How to have an incredible power of sex over a man" (actual article). Read article out loud while making witty and highly suggestive remarks. Enjoy.

It works. I wouldn't BS you.

CDC'
Monday, June 25, 2007, at 04:31:40 (ZULU)

Bobbie, that Bravo and his M1A impressed me years ago. That darn rifle shoots great. Man who built that knows his stuff. Jeff Corn I think?

Wes, email sent on 338 Lpaua. If you dont get send me one at Tacticalslings@aol.com

I will be gone next two days.

Undude/Mike

Mike Miller
Ca, - Monday, June 25, 2007, at 04:55:26 (ZULU)

MarcS,

Imperial Sizing Wax is water soluble so you don't need to use anything but water. Don't worry about solvents.

On reading "Cosmo" - comment was made several years ago that if you are single and looking for women, just read Cosmo, find out where you're supposed to be, and go there.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Monday, June 25, 2007, at 05:15:01 (ZULU)

(One for the engineers and other technical types. Duman saw a complete report. If he remembers it, you can ask his opinion. Full report is available to anyone who is interested.)

Quick and not that dirty way to check out a rifle for LR: Set three targets; One at 250 := close, one at maximum range := max, one (max +250)/2 := mid.

Mark 8 rounds for close, 10 for mid and 12 for max.

Draw rounds at random and fire at appropriate targets. You'll have to compensate for drop. Figure it out.

Open up the stat software you use. Excel will do. Label one field "distance", one "target drop" and the next some shorthand for "drop from horizontal".

Using data from your targets, determine drop from horizontal for each shot. That is the distance the bullet would have fallen if the rifle were fired from horizontal.

Make a new field and use the software pkg to calculate the square roots of the "drop from horizontal" observations.

Use your software package to fit a regression line to the above data where X = Distance and Y = Square root of horizontal drop.

You'll get a linear equation. Square the predicted response. This one is quadratic. I have determined that (Harrumph!!), from 250 yards out to 1000, the vertical paths of bullets we use in the rifles we shoot are "close enough as never mind" to being parabolas. Not everybody knows that. Feel special.

Anyway, that will put you pretty damned close FROM 250 TO MAX RANGE. There's significant error from 0 to 250.

Compare those results to the results predicted by your ballistics pkg. If there is less drop, compare to bullet with higher BC. If there's more, compare with bullet with lower BC. Use the ballistics chart that fits. I call this "Redneck Numerical Analysis".

This works too. I still wouldn't BS you.

CDC'
Monday, June 25, 2007, at 10:49:09 (ZULU)

The "Cosmo" remark was in reference to Clint Eastwood in "Heartbreak Ridge". I'm kind of in the same boat. But, if this one goes south, well.....I'll just fly out to Nevada a few times a year. Women under 40 bore me. Christi Brinkley seems VERY interesting.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Monday, June 25, 2007, at 15:46:33 (ZULU)

Christie Brinkly is as fine now as she ever was. Me-ow....

DirtySteve.......

dirtysteve
Monday, June 25, 2007, at 20:02:40 (ZULU)

Water softeners;

Yep, I know it is way off target but I figured some of you fellas may get some useful info from it.

Some of you may be on a low-sodium diet. If you get your drinking/canteen water from a faucet that has a water softener on it, beware of higher sodium in the water. Most softeners on the market contain a mineral called zeolite that exchanges the hard water minerals (calcium and manganese)into sodium. The sodium is then sent through the water. A filter that contains activated carbon help remove much of the sodium but not all.

LATER Y'ALL

Jody Calhoun
Saraland, AL-Heart of Dixie, USA - Tuesday, June 26, 2007, at 02:22:17 (ZULU)

CDC',

"Redneck Numerical Analysis". I like it.

Just returned from 5-days in the forest, with some practicing alcoholics. Tried out some new gear, including an MSR-XGK stove. Stove heated ~1 litre of water in ~5-mins (~40F to boiling, 8.9K feet ASL). Fuel used was Coleman fuel (white gas?) for all the lamps, stoves, etc.. I bought the XGK because it can burn white gas, regular unleaded, kerosene, and diesel. So far, I'm pleased. I'll try gasoline next, see how it performs. Buddy of mine on SAR has one, he said to store in zip-loc bag, to keep micro-debris from clogging the fuel lines and orifices.

Crows woke me at 0-friggin'-30, the sun hadn't quite broken the horizon, so I crawled out of bag to take a leak. ~75 yards down in the meadow were two bull elk, watching me. With my Leica pocket binos (8x20) I counted 10-pts on one, 8-pts. on the other. These boys were big. They casually sauntered up the slope, and melted into the forest. Beautiful sight.

Shooting report? I suck. One rifle malfunctioned (firing pin failed to detonate the primer on 3 out of 5 shots), a Swaro scope malfunctioned (I was not pleased, I'll report more after I speak with Swaro), worked up some loads for 22-250, and couldn't hit the broad side of a berm with my AR-15. Gotta buckle down, and get it under control. Very disappointing.

BTW, that guy that had to cut his hand off, when he was trapped by a boulder? He's now a member of the Aspen SAR. Go figure.

Edited to add: 1) I made my own titanium tent spikes. Performed perfectly, didn't bend when rocks encountered. Aluminum spikes suck.

2) Sleeping bag liner - cotton/silk blend. Worked well, i didn't stick to the inside of the bag (after a few days without shower). However, it was snug. Not made for larger folks, unless there are different sizes.

3) Need to sleep with can of Raid. Woke up with spider webs on my face, looking up at a hairy spider over the tent doorway.

4) No bears this year, but slept with 45-ACP and 30-30 for comfort.

Duman
Tuesday, June 26, 2007, at 05:40:56 (ZULU)

Brownell's just bought Sinclair International...

Nothing will change, Sinclair will stay where they are, and it will be seemless - just bigger ;)))

You heard it here furstest ;)

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, June 26, 2007, at 21:11:57 (ZULU)

Brownells announcement on same:

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/Company/news.aspx?newsid=110&WT.mc_ID=7000&WT.mc_ev=emailopen

Brownells® Purchases Sinclair International

Posted on: 6/26/2007

Brownells, the World's Largest Supplier of Firearms Accessories and Gunsmithing Tools, is extremely pleased and proud to announce the acquisition of Sinclair International, Inc. Sinclair International is one of the most respected manufacturers and suppliers of high quality reloading tools and shooting accessories in the world. Sinclair International, located in Indiana, is in its 22nd year and provides products to customers around the world. Brownells, operating out of Iowa, is in its 68th year and also supplies customers world-wide.

The joining of these two highly-respected companies brings to the firearms world the top-quality selection of the very best products, the exceptional personal customer service and the absolute guarantee of customer satisfaction their customers expect. "It was a very natural decision," said Frank Brownell, President of Brownells, "for us to join with another very successful, highly regarded company with the same values, the same care and concern for their customers and the same quality and service standards we hold dear." Bill Gravatt, president of Sinclair remarked that, "With Brownells Sinclair will continue providing the very best products available, and will strengthen our product line for shooters of all disciplines. I’m extremely excited about the future for both companies."

Sinclair International will function as a separate entity of Brownells, and Bill Gravatt, will continue as the President of Sinclair International. The focus of Sinclair International will continue to be on providing high-quality products to their customers along with exceptional, personal customer service.

For more information, please contact Larry Weeks at (641) 623-5401 Dept. #PDM or larryw@brownells.com or Bill Gravatt at (260) 493-1858 or billg@sinclairintl.com.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, June 26, 2007, at 23:43:13 (ZULU)

This is the funniest thing I've heard in months.

http://www.soundsofswc.com/soundsofswc.html

Lifes been full lately: Changed jobs, Annual Training, moved to another state, a weeks business trip to Denver (Mt Evans ROCKS!), NRA HP Coaches school... and that's just the last 5 weeks. Maybe my Guard unit'll be deployed & I'll get some rest.

Thanks for all the smarts I've gotten here over the years. I love this bar!

SSG Mac
State of Exhaustion, - Wednesday, June 27, 2007, at 02:24:52 (ZULU)

Gents,

Bobby has a first class operation. For those who have a rifle course on their to-do list, I would recommend Badlands hands down.

Angie and I stepped into the Adv Sniper I, mainly to hang out with Bravo and Sarge. I was pretty sure that basic rifle would have been a better fit for both myself and the wife---but we decided to follow the crowd and step it up a notch. I was sure we'd be in over our heads.

Not the case!

Bobby, Steve and Rich were observing everything on the line, and were quick with timely advice as well as a boot in the fourth point when needed. End result: Angie and I, shooting together for the forst time as spotter/ shooter, managed just fine. And we did not come to blows, as had been predicted by friends and family (I reside on the receiving end). In fact, this ignited a passion (hey, now!) for LR shooting in her that will make my days alone at my bench a thing o' the past. Good stuff.

Wife impressed most of us there: On the hides, she got closer than anyone to the observers, then took both shots without getting busted. The others on that rotation were all busted. The land nav thing was a game for me (no compass throughout). She would read the terrain and point to where she thought we would fing the little red rebar--and was spot-on each time. In fact, on the last point, she figured out that we had bumped a small ridge long before I gave up beating the grass---and moved us north by 100 meters--and there it was. We ended up waiting on everyone else at the finish.

On the gun, she just put 'em where ya tell her to put 'em. Add five MO|A up, center target, favor right....Clang! Just that easy.

Me on the other hand, I wanted to second guess any wind calls that were different than the one I made already:(( I finally learned to just follow the spotter's call. Even when it was easy to see how wrong it may be: She gave me 240 yard data (target 5) on the unknown course for target 4 (720 yards as i recall)--I knew sumptin wuz wrong---but i dialed it and shot dirt anyway. Cuz that was what Rich was kicking my butt for: "not doing" what I was told...Angie realized right off---but it was a one shot drill. Bravo won that one easily.

Bruce Robinson's Memorial did get a brasso scrub. Bravo and I hoisted a couple of cold ones while knocking down the green tint. Worked extra hard on his likeness. Seemed fitting as a my old desert boots, though I wish I had been there for the dedication. That was my way of being there, finally.

In all, Angie and i had the greatest time. And a bit of trivea: That was our first multi-night away from the kids, ever. She called it our deferred honeymoon. Ha! Some men might pop cherries on their honeymoon---we popped primers. haha.

If you ever held off of a tactical course because you ain't had time to train up---I will tell you that is a BS excuse. Angie and i were as cold as a brass wind sock in alaska, and Bobby's crew had us up to speed on day one (good data does that for you). All you need is decent equipment, and an understanding of the marksmanship fundementals. Hold hard, and listen!!!

If you held off for cost---compare Badlands to any other. Then go to Badlands and get a good old fashioned dollar's worth---or, more than you can imagine once you compare badland's rates with those other choices.

If exact timing is an issue---try the sniper I if basic rifle doesn't work. Or vice-versa. The instructors will challenge you, one-on-one, in either case. But they push to the edge without going over.

We had a kid who had a scope go south. No back up. I had a spare, but the instructors beat me to it. The kid now had the nicest set up on the line, for sure.

Think about that: Where else can you go where the death of your scope wouldn't end your day if no spare was brought?

Angie and I are making plans for sniperquest. If she gets her wind calls down some and I start to see trace on bright days better, we will enter. If not, we'll volunteer to help out with the events. Either way, we'll be there this year barring emergencies.

I am also looking to take Blake thru the fall class.

Badlands rocks.

If you haven't gone: go.

Oh, Howdy, ya'll! Been a while, eh?

Joe M
Wednesday, June 27, 2007, at 04:40:20 (ZULU)

Duman: As you've probably figured out, the ballistics chart indicated by the "Redneck Numerical Analysis" method also gives you windage.

Since a quadratic is completely characterized by any three points on its graph, you can still make do with a target set at much less than max range and any point fairly near (close + max)/2. Precise measurement is critical.

You'd be surprised how long it took to come up with that and the credentials of the people who were stumped by the prolem.

Joe: How's the reloading project going?

CDC'
Wednesday, June 27, 2007, at 11:14:36 (ZULU)

Duman,

What caused the failure to fire? Last time I heard of that was several years back. Turned out to be a combination of hard primers in Remington factory ammo and weak firing pin springs in Browning A-Bolts.

Joe M.,

Howdy to you and welcome back.

Moe,

And a belated welcome back to you too.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The muggy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Wednesday, June 27, 2007, at 13:12:53 (ZULU)

Doc,

The FTF resulted from the firing pin not adequately hitting the primer. There was a small dimple, but not enough of a strike. The same ammo, in different rifle, performs perfectly. I'm trying to locate someone who actually knows something about Kimbers. Of Oregon.

Suggestions and information are welcome.

Duman
Wednesday, June 27, 2007, at 17:33:14 (ZULU)

DEBKAfile reports: Iranian Revolutionary Guards suicide unit’s incursion of S. Iraq is another step in undeclared war

June 27, 2007, 12:15 PM (GMT+02:00)

Early this week, Tehran deployed in southern Iraq and southern Iran contingents of Revolutionary Guards Corps of suicide fighters in anticipation of an American attack on Iranian soil.

Those units were posted to fight off a possible US Marines landing in southern Iran. Tehran believes the American force will be assigned with destroying RG bases and infrastructure in the south and sabotaging the oil wells and installations of Iranian province of Khuzestan.

The RG fighters were dropped by helicopter in southern Iraq on June 24 and 25. Their task will be to launch suicide attacks on US and British bases and command posts in the region the moment Iran comes under American attack.

Also in anticipation of a showdown, Tehran announced Tuesday at only two hours notice the rationing of gas for Iran’s private motorists to 100 liters per month. Protesters started torching gas stations Wednesday.

For lack of refining capacity, the oil-rich country imports 40% of its gasoline needs and oil products. Tehran sharply reined in private consumption to free up reserves for the armed forces in case of war and keep power stations and water supplies running in an emergency.

DEBKAfile’s military sources report that these two steps in three days attest to the certainty of Iran’s government and military that a military confrontation with the US is around the corner.

The British Sun newspaper first disclosed the Iranian troop thrust into southern Iraq Monday, June 25, reporting: “It is an extremely alarming development and raises the stakes considerably. In effect, it means we are in a full war with Iran – but nobody has officially declared it.”

DEBKAfile’s military experts add: In effect, the Iranian military incursion of Iraq is the fourth military invasion of foreign territory underway in the Middle East at this very moment. None are officially admitted.

1. The Turkish army is fighting Kurdish PKK rebels in Iraqi Kurdistan on the other side of their border. Almost daily, Turkish units backed by tanks, fighter planes and helicopters cross into northern Iraq and battle with the rebels. Washington, Ankara, Baghdad and Irbil blandly ignore this ongoing war.

2. In the second week of the six-week long confrontation between the Lebanese army and the pro-Damascus radical Palestinian Fatah al-Islam near Tripoli, the Syrian army and security service began pushing into the embattled camp reinforcements of hundreds Palestinian fighters, members of groups under their control. These fighters, an estimated 1,600-strong, have since fanned out in clusters in northern Lebanon, the Beqaa Valley, the mountains north of Tripoli and south of Beirut. The Syrian army keeps them well supplied with ammunition, food and fuel.

3. Israeli tank and armored infantry forces conduct ongoing counter-terror operations against Hamas, Jihad Islami and allied Palestinian terrorist groups in southern and northern Gaza. Since the Palestinian Islamist Hamas takeover of Gaza last week, Israeli tanks supported by helicopter and pilot-less aircraft are engaged in ongoing firefights with Palestinian anti-tank units.

HOLD ON TO YOUR HATS!!!

Gooch out

Gooch
Wednesday, June 27, 2007, at 17:52:33 (ZULU)

Duman,

Kimber of Oregon made some fine rifles. What caliber is it and have you checked the headspace? Was the ammo factory or reload?

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The muggy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Wednesday, June 27, 2007, at 18:32:03 (ZULU)

Howdy Rosterfarians!

Chuck, Bobby, Sarge – great to put faces with the names! I didn’t get to talk with Chuck much due to time (my loss!), but I’ll say that Bobby is a great instructor (as well as other areas) and Sarge is a GREAT guy. I’ll partner with you again any time my friend! What Joe said about the class was 100% in spades, except for the part about most everyone being impressed with Angie – that’s not the way I saw it. She was, literally, the darling of the course! To get spooled up faster would have required a turbocharger, and I’d wager she’ll have one of those on the next go-round. How long has she been using that rifle? Well, let’s count the empties. What kind of ammo is it? Ask Sarge, it’s his recipe, and how fast did it go from ‘I bet you can’t make that shot’ to ‘I ain’t bettin’ you anything’? ;-) Just spread the love around a little and don’t make me the called target on the next stalk HA!

Like Joe said, BadLands gave a great course, taught by great folks (Steve, Rich and Bobby are now on my formal ‘entirely appreciated’ list), and centered on practical teaching. I’d recommend the course we did any time without reservation. When one adds in the price factor, any haze around the subject just disappears. It would have been a good value at double the price, literally. My only regret was leaving that quart of sweat in the passenger seat of Rich’s truck, and being a bit dense a time or two. Shooting (or more appropriately connecting with) movers was as much fun as Disney ever thought of, and the stalk was tremendous (except for the chiggers). Yeah, I even got my 2 rounds off undetected – and kept the second empty as a souvenir.

One of the least intuitive things I learned at BadLands: “bite me” is not a proper wind call. The most intuitive thing I learned at BadLands: great friends + shooting + strangers typically = great time with friends old and new.

We’re dinosaurs? Hardly. And imagine this: I didn’t see a single PDA out there! There’s a reason I like this place the best –my ‘home’ if you will- although I don’t post much.

Mike, right-o, that was Geoff Corn that built Betty Lou. You noticed Bobby didn’t say how well I shot – he’s smart. He knows it’d either go to my head (and make me believe my own press releases) or embarrass the both of us. HA! DOUBLE HA! That’s a joke just for me. As Yotus Eraticatorus once said, a bullet has to go somewhere!

And here’s one for / from Master Rick: DON’T PURCHASE A.R.M.S. PRODUCTS! There are a few here that know the whole story, but in short, the #22L rings I put on Betty Lou back in 2000 (IIRC) finally came undone, just prior to the class. Had me stressing / running hard to diagnose the problem (who figures that the problem would be scope rings?!) and then to correct the problem. I’ve got Badgers on her right now, but what a PITA to diagnose and fix. The rings went back to ARMS for refurb, and I thought they’d be OK. One was, the other was questionable enough I wasn’t going to chance it. BAH. I’d really rather have throw-lever rings on my stick, but I’ll wait until Mark LaRue has ‘em ready before I remove these Badgers.

Now where can I go to catch up on the posts that I missed over the last couple of weeks?

CDC, I’m interested in your stove testing! I’ve been using an MSR Whisperlite International for years, and am / was about to buy my boy one of his own. If you’ve got a better recommendation, I’d like to hear it. Personally, I prefer liquid fuels, just because they still work at lower temperatures when the compressed gasses don’t. Especially the MSR types that have the warming cup under the generator – doesn’t take much gas in the cup to make it work fast and well. I prefer that to the paste stuff (one less thing to carry / lose) anyway. Nalgene bottles? I like ‘em. The narrow mouth version is a waste of time, but the wide mouth accepts an insert for non-sloppy drinking. I’ve got the inserts, but opt to just drink sloppily. Best of all, rice or beans won’t leave them with a taste that won’t wash out. FWIW, I went to get Bub his own Sweetwater Guardian too, and learned that technology has left me in the past. He wound up with an MSR miniworks, and I feel confident I’ll replace my old Guardian with a miniworks as well – more for commonality than anything else ‘cause the only problem the Guardian has would be remedied by a resupply of filter elements. MSR now owns Sweetwater too. People think I’m too cautious about my drinking water, but those who have gotten sick once don’t think so. As The Jefe said, giardia will make the bottom fall out of your world, and vice versa.

Shooting stuff: on the 300WM, is the mag box long enough to seat a 338 Lapdog?

Chuck, on ‘sharing feelings country’ – I was once hit up about my ‘inner child’. I nonchalantly, almost flippantly, stated that mine was sitting on a street curb sharpening his bayonet. Got no more BS at that point anyway. You are incredibly right – it’s much cheaper to rent than it is to buy.

Duman – on the XGK, it’s a good blowtorch. Er, stove. If all I was concerned about was boiling water, it’d be my pick as ‘best I know of’ (and I’m not trying to insinuate that I know of a slew of them). If you try to do some more delicate things with it (sauté mushrooms and onions, eggs over easy, or slowly warm stew) you’ll find it’s a... good blowtorch. Plenty of top end, hard on the low end. For MountainHouse meals and tea water only, it’d be my pick.

Bravo
So where is my duffle bag?, - Wednesday, June 27, 2007, at 22:14:24 (ZULU)

Bravo,

"If you try to do some more delicate things with it (sauté mushrooms and onions, eggs over easy, or slowly warm stew....."

None of those stoves were intended for gourmet cooking. If you're trying to warm something slowly, nest it in a pot of water, it'll keep it from burning. For baking breads, a buddy of mine has perfected some Dutch-Oven recipes. If you're trying to saute' mushrooms, or cooking eggs over easy, you're probably not on a backpacking trip, which is what these stoves are for. If you're car camping, take propane and a multiple burner Coleman stove, with an accoutrement of cast iron pans. A can of PAM helps keep stuff from sticking, but don't confuse it with the can of RAID. :8-p

Duman
Wednesday, June 27, 2007, at 23:48:41 (ZULU)

I've got an MSR Dragonfly for liquid fuels and also a Primus stove like the one CDC posted earlier for E&E use that burns butane mix. The MSR works great for everything from WOT to simmer, runs fine on JP8, is claimed to work on heavier crap like DF2 and should work OK with the super refined ULS crap they call diesel these days. The Primus is the size of a pack of smokes and stays in my LBE along with a fuel cylinder. The MSR stays in the pack along with a fuel bottle, all packed up inside the little black bag along with the heat reflector.

I don't do a lot of fine cooking, scrambled eggs is as delicate as it gets, but it beats an MRE. Although you know, a cooked MRE along with some accents can be pretty damned good these days.

Bravo, 300Win is supposed to be 3.340, the Lap is lots longer length, 3.780 or some such. S/F.....Ken M

Ken M
IL, USA - Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 00:25:54 (ZULU)

Bravo: The Snow Peak GS-100 came in today. It's a tiny little thing. All I bought it for was for is to boil water on ultra light trips. Click for a review by a guy who seems to have checked it out more thouroughly than I expect to.

CDC'
Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 02:16:34 (ZULU)

"We’re dinosaurs?"

I am slowly realizing that this is a compliment of the highest order.

Consider the young'un who "only" has a cell phone. He claims "I never had a battery short charge, not ever." OK, fair enough---he changes phones with the latest swiss army gadget master every six months...but what did that prove? Same for the gadget guys on the range: Ask them how it holds up and get the "just fine" reply. But be sure to ask how long he's owned that rifle, too. "Got it last year" kinda puts the longevity claims of battery operated electronics into perspective. I learned a very long time ago to KISS as much as possible---mainly due to the fact that I had to carry it all over hell's back half on my back. But as the years rolled by, KISS made sense in other ways too.

I wonder how many snipers we will lose when we finally fight an enemy who "borrows" our night---lasing a target for range when BG is watching with a NVG can be hazardous (Gen IV, autogated tubes works in daylight---now i know why---it sees in a whole 'nuther wavelength range). I wonder how hard it would be to drop the wavelength of a LRF below the threshold of an intensifier? That's something we'll think on after a noticeable loss. Typical.

But the archaic art isn't really all that archaic. If you do something that works after all else fails, we call that a principle. I'd say us dinos are pretty principled folks. If the fundementals of LR shooting with non-battery powered aids is old-school---well, there be a reason for that. Old school, IMHO, means "proven." A 25 year-old with a long gun doesn't have the odometer to prove anything yet. Heheh. And didn't I just sound like the old farts that drove me nuts in my youth???

Yep, I gots gizmos...but the GPS stayed in the tuffbox, the LRF stayed on the shelf, the PDA stayed on the dock, and our riffles, a swaro spotter, a map, and a compass (or sun angles) did just fine. Batteries not included for the trip.

Diesel country: Read a report about an F250 7.3L that averaged 23.9 mpg @ 67 MPH (sweet spot). The after market parts were highflow intake, 4" exhaust (down pipe swapped out too), synthetic lubes everywhere, a bedcover, and a 65 horse programming mod. That's it. I imagine there's more to be had with a ton more cash (injectors, turbo unit, skinny tires, plastic hood and tailgate etc)--but hey, 24mpg in a 8000 pound defintition of flat plate drag? Oil burners are where it's at!

Stove country: Hmmmm. I had an MSR blow up in my face once, and went to the PEAK1 multifuel. It is a beast of weight and space, but get's er done. Flame adjusts down well with white gas. Not so much with thicker fuels. As it turns out, the pressurization system is similar in both stoves. Nothing gained, except psychologically:)) Having the front half of yer head denuded in a flashfire does weird things to yer equipment choices.

Joe M
Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 03:59:44 (ZULU)

CDC',

"Full report is available to anyone who is interested"

Call me interested. (nope, ain't going there)

email is JerryLCopelandatbellsouthdotnet. Just change the at and the dot, but then I really didn't have to tell you that.

Thanks much,

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 05:13:21 (ZULU)

When I was getting the Cat 1 LRSO course from NAVSPAWAR back a few years, I asked the certified smart guy about the GVS-5 LRF and NOD's. He said you couldn't see it, so we tried it during the night and no shit, you couldn't. Pulse was too short. Of course, those things are NOT eyesafe(and I'm cool with that) So there's always ways of doing business properly. I had my ATL drop three MF's in about 15 seconds(from decision to last guy dropping) at 710yds, so put me firmly in the LRF camp. Nothing nearby to mil off of, and shots WILL be in a hurry. It's a tool, it's certainly no reason not to be able to do it(less effectively) the old way. Redundancy is good, but don't ignore tools just because they're new. Old LRF's were Neodynium YAG(Yttrium Aluminum Garnet), the newer eyesafe lasers are a different wavelength IOT reduce eyesafety issues(NdYAG is 1064nm FYI)

BTW, because LRF's are so quick and easy, I generally don't use the shit outta them establishing all sorts of crazy target reference points. I'll usually have maybe one or two per sector for baseline reference and then zap the specific target when it appears. Total exposure for observation, really really low; in sunlight, God would have to hate you for anyone to see the LRF pulse, even more to know what they were seeing, and God would have to be singleing you out for truly profane punishment for the enemy to react in time to prevent a shot. After the shot, well, you're leaving bodies around, that's a pretty good indicator that there's a sniper somewhere about. People tend to do really stupid shit when somebody gets smoked right in front of them outta the blue unless they're really well trained, and even then there's always the reaction/perception gap while things get figured out. I'm not talking the individual cover response, I'm talking about actually doing something productive done as a organized unit. If you've got good troops, individual drills allow for productive things to be done, at the individual level, while the leadership gets things figured out, coordinated and controlled unit action going.

Oh, at 25YO, I had 12 years of national level competitive rifle experience;)

All the big trucks don't bother running synthetics in the crank case, when you take 48qts, the fuel savings don't pay off for synthetic motor oils. Transmission, transfer cases and gear syn lubes are good stuff and widely used. S/F....Ken M

Ken M
IL, USA - Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 08:37:45 (ZULU)

Ken M, you sir are the proverbial exception anymore. They say that pretty soon, 80% of the US will be urban dwellers...

As for detecting short pulse emiters; a tech savey adversary would find that problem easy to solve. Hell, we play with microphone arrays to pinpoint gunshots now, My point is, if we pattern ourselves in Modus Operandi, we will be targeted thru the same. Our current enemy doesn't have enough respect for their own lives to solve these riddles---but then again, we usually don't end up fighting the last fight even though we'll eventually train to do so anyway. Also, on the army side, we expanded our DM/ Sniper capability rather quickly. In doing so, we also went "off the shelf" for much equipment---equipment that won't get replaced with mil-spec once this blank-check war ends. Civie lasers do light up NVGs. I knew that the second Gen LTDs were outside the NVG wavelength--but was unsure about the newer NSN'd LRFs I saw in the system. In short though, the "old school" stuff at the basic level minimizes your signature to the one thing that matters: One well placed shot. I don't ignore the tools, like i said--got 'em.

But take a look at the predominate culture around us: they're looking for a pill that melts fat like exercise. They want the "easy button" for all things hard. They're also going to form the next generation of our military. AQ in Iraq took notice of the US sniper in 2005, and targeted them with pecific tactics in 05. Got a bunch all at once--and that was just "using their head." My point was that a second or first world enemy will also feel the sting of effectiveness, but add tech prowess to the tactics. That could make the fall of 2005 look small potatoes in comparison, eh?

I looked at the crankcase oil as a break-even, with the extended life of the synth-oil, it kinda washes at 15 quarts to same cost point. I figure the added protection tilts toward the manmade stuff for my little diesel. I can see how the big pans would skew the costs to the point of "why bother":))

Hey, I missed this place. I forget why I got mad and left...

Joe M
Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 12:10:06 (ZULU)

Sorta an addendum to my previous post:

There are all sorts of laser emission detectors out there, mainly oriented to the armoured fighting vehicle market. Some have some very nifty features, such as auto cueing and slewing and automatic smoke discharge. Most countries on this tech level will also have millimetric radars, sound detection gear or other dedicated anti-sniper/gunshot detection stuff around any of their super hard targets. I don't see that as a suitable operating environment for snipers. Better to use something with a large explosive warhead delivered via aircraft or better yet via hypersonic missile. Megatons of money are being used towards this end. Might as well give the USAF and USN something to do with their budget. S/F.....Ken M

Ken M
IL, USA - Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 12:10:24 (ZULU)

Got beat by 18 seconds. Nuts:)

I largely concur. For the limited # of US Army snipers/DM's I saw/worked with and for USMC snipers in most Bns, better TTP's for employment would mean much greater success than any hardware issues. I believe(still), with great reason, that sniper casualties are almost exclusively due to being forcefed bullshit employment schemes concocted by people who have no idea WTF they're doing. I know my teams got forced into doing stupid shit(TM) far too often, and I'm sure it happened to others. Sooner or later, you run outta luck, even against the Iraqis.

There's too many stupid people involved with tasking snipers, and I don't see any solution since the problem is personality based. Combine an individual commander's giant ego, the rather crazed idea that rank corresponds to technical/tactical knowledge and a micromanagement environment and things go pear shaped.

Actually, I do know a partial solution: Reduce the staff burden, so that you may be more selective as to who exactly has tasking authority. It's a lot easier to find 50 smart people than 500 and with bloated US staffs being what they are, there's just too many people to educate so as to avoid them introducing stupid ideas at Bn planning meetings and such. You can only shoot down so many stupid ideas before some start to sneak through. And if you're libel to get labeled the "loner" or "not a team player" if you spend all your Bn face time shooting down their dumb shit. Ask me how I know this is true:(

All of which has little to do with LRF's:) S/F.....Ken M

Ken M
IL, USA - Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 12:21:29 (ZULU)

Ken: We "prior enlisted" officers kinda graviated to one another in each assignment. We (usually) remembered how "great ideas" played out at the user level, and would get our asses handed to us when we spoke out at the various meetings. Inevitably, we'd grouse about how to change that culture: Force a two-year enlisted hitch for any commissioning free ride. Tough sell, but there is little else that could work. The arguement against is: "No one will want to come play." Fine, man the critical slots and then let the NCOs grow back into those roles that our current "too many" officers have taken over.

But you are right: It is the decision makers mis-understanding the capability, then mis-using it that kills guys. The quick fix to that is to deploy the force "UTC." Over time, an asshat who kills snipers would stand out like a strobe. DX him, and ensure his replacement knows why he was disgraced. Same for the command structure: things won't be the "next guys problem" if you will be him. The WWII "for the duration" thing has merits, though compulsory service would help with the next problem...

Joe M
Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 12:39:21 (ZULU)

"It is the decision makers mis-understanding the capability, then mis-using it that kills guys. The quick fix to that is to deploy the force "UTC." Over time, an asshat who kills snipers would stand out like a strobe."

Talk about the high cost of education.

jc: This evening. It's on another 'puter and I'm off to work.

CDC'
Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 13:36:14 (ZULU)

Any of you in Kentucky might want to go to this auction. Click my name.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 13:46:29 (ZULU)

CDC, Historically, have we ever had another way of gaining some military prowess?

joe m
Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 14:30:18 (ZULU)

Joe M,

Welcome back. Now where is Rick?

HDR
ok, - Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 21:26:30 (ZULU)

Duman, gotcha! What I was trying to say was that if you want a stove that has the capability of doing good food while camping out of the back of the truck (groceries in the Igloo cooler – mostly what I do at this phase in life, probably for another year or two), then I like something with a bit more adjustability than the XKG. For packing, I’m with you. The International lets me do the nice stuff pretty well, but still carry it on day (minimal load) hikes for MountainHouse chow prep. Elsewise, you’re 100% on the big double-burner Coleman and cast iron skillets – I moved to where I am now from EXACTLY there. FWIW, before I got my International, I used the Peak 1 dual fuel that Patron Joe spoke of. Still got it in storage…. It had more flame control than I knew what to do with LOL!

And speaking of Bub, he let me know earlier this week that he still hasn’t got his pig. He said it’s been raining so hard (really funky for that part of the world) that they had to pull the 4X4 out of the muck with a tractor though, so they’re not going out as often as possible. He did say that he headshot a trio of bunnies that day though (he was happy with 3 headshots using 4 rounds LOL! That’s my boy!). He’s never had to cook wabbit himself, but he’s got a great-aunt that volunteered HA! Did I mention that I took him to an Appleseed shoot? Still don’t understand why I can say the exact same things they do, but he listens to them more than he does me….

So what action is ‘the cool thing’ for the 338 Lapdog? A half inch longer than a 300WM doesn’t sound like something even a shoe horn would fix.

CDC, looked like a nifty stove, but I really don’t use anything but liquid fuel (Coleman gas / unleaded gasoline). Is there a weight savings that I don’t see?

Now who is the smart puppy that bothered to write down the dope for the Mk4 M3 308M collar? I’m wondering if I ought to see about changing to it, as in ‘will this fit my curve better’. Sarge, it turns out that my 308 collar (got it here in front of me as I type) is the M and not the Y. If it was the Y, it’d be on its way to you right now.

Bravo
Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 22:01:51 (ZULU)

Bravo,

"Still don’t understand why I can say the exact same things they do, but he listens to them more than he does me…."

It's called the "Consultant Syndrome". That's like an engineer talking to a manager, manager doesn't believe, then consultant is hired at 2x the salary. Same story from carpet-bagger, mangler listens, then assigns engineer to do what engineer initially proposed. Mangler gets credit/promoted, engineer gets steamed, and corporation muddles forward.

Engineer goes home to Dogbert, who doesn't GAS, evil HR cat DGAS either, nothing changes, and the earth continues to spin.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm......................

Duman
Friday, June 29, 2007, at 00:34:10 (ZULU)

Joe M. Welocme home(To the Roster)."Hey, I missed this place. I forget why I got mad and left..." It was because of pie fights. In all likely hood I was probably involved. But I promise not to throw any more pies if you continue to hang out. Leave and I will call the Bakery in Castroville and order a truck load of pies. It will be messy.

Bravo, I got 4.7 inches at my house. This Global Warming stuff is making it green here.

Dirty Steve...

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Friday, June 29, 2007, at 00:49:43 (ZULU)

Hey Bravo, what are you shooting that matches the .308 cam off the MK4M3? I think you'll find the 300WM and 30-06 cams to better match your loads for 175 gr sierra or 155 scenar..

I used a MSR dragonfly to cook for a dozen guys last time my team deployed to a disaster...I really cannot say I find fault with it in any way...it's a lightweight, compact tool that will hold up to heavy use.

http://www.msrcorp.com/stoves/dragonfly.asp

medicjim
Friday, June 29, 2007, at 03:01:26 (ZULU)

Hey youz guys - there's a guy that is selling a set of Redfield "green" standard mounts and rings for $25.

These are the ones used by the M-40 sniper rifles in VN, in the early part of the war.

Any of you guys building an M-40, this is what you need for mounts.

http://longrangehunting.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=160115&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD

It's the second item down from the top.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, June 29, 2007, at 03:40:04 (ZULU)

Duman: Did you, by any strange chance, keep the Excel spreadsheet I sent you on fitting quadratic functions to target data?

jc: I can't find the stinking thing. What it amounted to is this: I did a spreadsheet of error distributions around drop estimates obtained from Sierra's somewhat funky software vs. a polynomial function fit to those data using SAS software. The result was that, from 250 yards on out, a bullet's path is described almost exactly by a quadratic function. Duman saw it and he agreed.

Three points are all you need to find a quadratic function. So gather your data and do the "Redneck Numerical Analysis" trick and you're home. After coming up with that, I've used it several times. It works.

I KNOW I didn't flush that damned spreadsheet. Let me scratch around some more.

CDC'
Friday, June 29, 2007, at 03:44:34 (ZULU)

Gentlemen,

Stove Country: I have a inexpensive, simple burner that uses the small cans of iso butane fuel and have had it for over 20 years. Simple, lightweight, inexpensive and that and an extra cannister of butane lasted on lengthy trips with almost daily use. Sucks at altitude. Someone on my team always had a MSR whisperlight and they generally worked great.

Question: How did Steyr-Mannlicher make a sturdy, reliable detachable magazine from a factory rifle with 1970s technology while it still seems to be beyond Remingtons capabilty now?

Pat II
Friday, June 29, 2007, at 04:01:58 (ZULU)

CDC',

If you're referring to the 6mm file, yes, I still have it, I just sent it your way. If that is the wrong file, I'll have to scrounge some more.

Duman
Friday, June 29, 2007, at 04:30:46 (ZULU)

Same way Savage had that wonderful rotary mag for the 99, they actually spent the money to hire/retain quality machinists. Now, everything is off shored to some sweatbox shop full of illiterate primates chained to a rusty bench lathe because they work for cheap.

Of course, ultimately, the consumer brought this about because they buy garbage because it's cheaper. The Walmart effect.

I haven't bought a new, non-custom factory rifle in several years. I doubt I'm gonna start anytime soon. S/F....Ken M

Ken M
IL, USA - Friday, June 29, 2007, at 05:01:53 (ZULU)

Since I missed the Truck Country episode....

Anybody have any tales of woe with the Ford Triton V-10? My `94 250 is coming up on 170K and will need a front end rebuild to pass insp. Not sure I`m up for dumping big money into a truck I never really liked for 13 years. Did I mention the puss brakes, the wimpy 215hp 5.8l boat anchor, the rust and the shitty auto hubs? Anyhow, I`m looking. Bowtie is not out of the question, just never owned one and don`t care for how they look or drive. I do some intermittant capacity hauling and a travel trailer may be in the not too distant future. Don`t really have an interest in the diesel thingie ($5500 option!). I would like to stay married through this. Thanks for any input.

Joe,

You left `cause... Oh hell, who cares. Welcome back. Slice of pie anyone?

Steve Racer
Somewhere in Dillsburg, PA, - Friday, June 29, 2007, at 06:12:16 (ZULU)

Steve: I bought my 3/4 ton oilburner "off-lease" from a fleet. Musta been the boss's rig---it has all the good options. Here's how it worked out: had 11k on the odometer, a year on the born on date, added the 100K warranty coverage (paid for itself a couple of times---it replaced two tires, ball joints, a bad injector, two front tie rods and dampers, a skid plate--all of which was caused by my abuse--no questions), and drove away with tags for a few grand under half price of new.

I surfed diesels on autotrader and the truck/ tractor pages....used 300 miles for searches, compared price points up and down, year by year...and found two killer deals an hour away in opposite directions. BTW, mentioning the other trucks on my list made for some competitive bidding by the dealers.

Why buy new??? Let someone else eat the $20-25K loss.

Ken M: I hear ya. I've got the bug for a turn bolt .260.

Anyone want a deal on a sproinger M21 full of USGI match parts???

(I actually want to move down to a rack grade M1A, purely irons too)

Joe M
Friday, June 29, 2007, at 07:23:37 (ZULU)

Steve,

Go Bowtie! Chevies are easier to work on than Fords, and the front wheels don't tilt when you turn. I always thought that was retarded. Chevies also have a better ride. Dodges are more difficult to work on than the bowties, but you generally don't have to work on a Dodge. .........unless I buy it.

Just my .02.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, June 29, 2007, at 07:55:24 (ZULU)

The GMC/Chevy truck interior has always disappointed me. That's based on two 1500's, a 5500, a 6500 and a 1992 Kodiak. They all have the same damned interior, and those are spread over 12 years production. I could see not changing anything if it worked great, but IME, GMC interiors have been really marginal.

I hear good things about the Ford V10's in commercial use. Lots of guys have minimal reported problems, but they tend to trade them in between 150 and 180k miles, so they could come unglued after that and I wouldn't know. I prefer diesel for trucks, yeah it's $ up front, but you really make out over the life of the truck, especially if you do a lot of loaded driving. Like Joe said, shop the used market, lots of trade in commercial light duty stuff out there if you're looking for a work truck.

Speaking of which, how's the trucking enterprise going along, Joe? S/F.....Ken M

Ken M
IL, USA - Friday, June 29, 2007, at 11:23:34 (ZULU)

Duman: Thanks. That was it. All that came through was the data but having the file name will let me find it on the other computer.

jc: Patience.

Joe: I got a deal something like that on a loaded 4wd 2001 Toyota Tacoma with 9800 miles. Being patient and cheap as hell has its rewards.

CDC'
Friday, June 29, 2007, at 13:01:50 (ZULU)

Joe,

The two main reasons for considering new are the factory warranty and the fact that I get invoice price right up front cause I am a Mack Trucks Inc. (Volvo) employee. Cash back incentives on top can really take the sting out of it. I know guys at work who bought at the right time with the right deal who had around 10k knocked off sticker. Ordering exactly what you want is nice, too, and really cuts down the time it takes to get the deal done. Am I the only one on the planet who thinks an 8' bed is necessary? Just the week or so I`ve spent so far show`s me if I want a short bed crew cab in black, I can choose my year and price. The lack of trucks optioned the way I want is bumming me down already. That`s the part I really hate. The surfing and the calling and the driving and the haggling. I don`t need another hobbie, trust me. A half-built house is more than enough to suck up all my spare time, I don`t want to become a professional truck buyer on top of it. Inspection is coming up at the end of Aug. so I need to get moving. I`ll give Auto Trader a try.

Thanks all for the help.

Steve Racer
Somewhere in Dillsburg, PA, - Friday, June 29, 2007, at 14:30:36 (ZULU)

CDC' - I'm surprised the file didn't make it through. Attachments can be a crapshoot.

Doc - I can't rule out hard primers. Thanks for the idea, i'll look into it.

Truck Country

Ford, Dodge have the best interiors, IMHO. GMC/Chevy are still lacking refinement.

Ford/Dodge quality sucks. Two friends bought Ford V10-Triton, extended cab, 4x4, trucks (ca. 2004?). The 4WD lockup on the front end of one locked up, wouldn't unlock, put one of the guys in the ditch. Had it repaired. Twice. Both have had the trucks in for several repairs, some silent recalls. MPG on the V10 sucks. They report between 9-12 MPG. They don't lack power, the only thing they can't pass is a gas station.

Japanese trucks have come a long way in 10-years, but not for big loads or towing. The Americans still own that market. The American trucks are better with fuel economy, in many cases.

I just put ~$4K into my '94 GMC, expect to get another 100K miles. Much less expensive than even a 'newer' used vehicle. It meets ~95% of my needs. My next truck will be a GMC with Duramax 6.6L, Allison 6-speed auto-tranny, with bells and whistles.

Duman
Friday, June 29, 2007, at 16:52:27 (ZULU)

Speed Racer, I would say get a diffrent truck just because your vehicle is up in years and miles. Plus you say you never really liked it. I would go for a diesel. Better MPG when towing. Most have 8 foot beds. And yes an 8 foot bed is needed. If you can not lay a sheet of plywood down and shut the tail gate it is too short. I had a short bed. Thought hey this is great I can park it real well and bla bla. Then I tried using it for doing chores. I thought huh I shoulda got the long bed. If you wait for Hurricane season you may find some great deals. If a major hurricane hits fuel price sore and if they stay up for about 2 months folks will be trading in there big vehicles just to get some more fuel efficient. Thats is if they really don't need the big truck. They will take a huge hit. You can surf the internet check all the local and nearly local dealership lots, plus Autotrader and Carmax. I got an 05 in 06 for 16K less than the original sticker. It was still under factory warranty(I got the extended too). Plus the previous owner had a sprayed in bedliner put in so I didn't have too.

Timing and/or being patient will pay off.

JoeM. "(I actually want to move down to a rack grade M1A, purely irons too)" Tired of hitting your target? Ha just kidding.

DirtySteve..........

Dirty Steve
San Antonio , Texas, USA - Friday, June 29, 2007, at 17:29:12 (ZULU)

Guys for those of you that have been wanting a Nikon spotting scope for a while and just didn't want to shell out the "big bucks" Natchez Shooter Supply has the Sky and Earth spotting scope on sale for $199.95 according the the e-mail flyer I just got. This is the 15x45x60 and comes with a tripod. http://www.natchezss.com/

Just thought I'd pass it on.

I know guys I've been remiss in posting about the Advacned Phase 1 @ Badlands but have been sicker than a whipped dog and finally went ot the doc this afternoon. I'll post more later in the week-end!

Sarge

Sarge
Southern Area 51, NM, USA - Friday, June 29, 2007, at 23:34:50 (ZULU)

Duman: A search revealed that my copy is on a zip disk somewhere. Your's didn't come through because of a software compatibility issue. Please send that file to jc. He posted his addy.

Bravo: "Is there a weight savings that I don’t see?"

I assumed that the Snow Peak was lighter than the MSR stoves but didn't check. It is less bulky and certainly looks to me like it would be simpler to get going. Bulk is my enemy and getting a scratch camp set up in the dark, in a storm, on uneven ground, with numb fingers is challenge enough without having to put together a MSR stove. Not that the MSR is bad - it isn't - but the little Snow Peak stove looks easier yet.

This is just something I'm going to try out. Maybe it will work. Maybe not.

CDC'
Saturday, June 30, 2007, at 02:26:24 (ZULU)

Click if you're sick of clicking 1 for English. I need this on a CD to blast at foreigners blasting circus music at stoplights.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Saturday, June 30, 2007, at 07:03:59 (ZULU)

Bravo: Stove and one Snow Peak fuel can

fits in the "Mini Solo Cookset",

http://www.backcountrygear.com/catalog/stovedetail.cfm/SN2300

which nests in this one

http://www.backcountrygear.com/catalog/accessdetail.cfm/SN2450

which - if you have gotten carried away - nests in this one

http://www.backcountrygear.com/catalog/accessdetail.cfm/SN2500

If you're using MSR fuel cannisters, you can nest the "Mini Solo" on a Nalgene bottle as you would a canteen cup and put the stove and fuel in the next bigger pot. Since I carry a Nalgene bottle anyway, using the MSR fuel doesn't seem like it would be any big deal for routine backpacking. For overnights while hunting, Snow Peak fuel and the Mini Cookset look like the way to go.

Seems like a light, compact, flexible system but the damned stuff is EXPENSIVE. I wonder what my stern Scotts forebearers would have thought of me buying a titanium fork and spoon for 15 bucks.

CDC'
Saturday, June 30, 2007, at 10:56:42 (ZULU)

CDC, methinks your stern Scots forebears wouldn't have spent $15 cash on anything less than a Conestoga wagon in days of yore. That was a LOT of money. However, if they had had to carry their cookware, on their backs, from Ellis Island to wherever they ended up, I'll wager that they'd have given it some serious thought. Look at the Jetboil again. Screw the isobutane can on the end, push a button and two minutes or less later, two cups of boiling water. You can hold it in your hand while you do it, which helps if you're really cold. (voice of experience). And, if the terrain is iffy, holding it precludes having it tip over just as the water is hot.

Press one for English.....have a little fun. Press "dos" para Espanol, then when the espanich operator comes on, say loudly in English, "Hey, what the hell is this?" Then when they transfer you back to an English operator, "Yo tengo un problema con mi Jetboil, y yo tengo un pragunta, senior"....then when they transfer you to the espanich operator, well, you get the drift.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Saturday, June 30, 2007, at 15:44:28 (ZULU)

Duman: "Ford/Dodge quality sucks...."

Hmmm... don't know about Ford... Haven't seen it in the Dodges since '94.... maybe sour ones in the 80's??.... All the folks @ work - quite a few of 'em have the gas/diesel dodges... personal reviews are pretty good across the board. Had one blow a rear-end seal a few years ago... but that's about it.....

Raffles: Folks - we're waiting for permission (should happen this weekend) to turn on the pistol raffle... Not only a pistol --but the largest collection of goodies that I have ever seen. Drawing will be held at shot show '08.... slow cooker -- but - man-o-man what you will get if you have the right ticket.....

Ken

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, Armed and Free!!!.. - Saturday, June 30, 2007, at 19:52:49 (ZULU)

JC,

File on it's way.

Duman

Duman
Saturday, June 30, 2007, at 20:05:01 (ZULU)

Guys,

I just loaded and delivered a welder to a friend. What a hassle. Do any of you have experience with Tommy Lift or Eagle Lift gates for pickup trucks? That looks like the cat's meow for getting heavy stuff into the truck.

Duman
Saturday, June 30, 2007, at 20:07:15 (ZULU)

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