Been a bit tied up sorry for the delay.
Know about the back trouble playing Rugby I think I shrunk about an 1.5 inches. No problems though, knock on wood. Yeah, and my doctor got to know me real well. To the point where I could call him up and he just sent me to the specialist. Hell, I was getting anit-inflamatories by the case. But if somethings worth doing its worth doing well. Break something, cut something, tear something tape it back on and play. Beer and Naproxin Sodium are the ticket. Glenlivet for the serious injuries.
I've been around and seen ladies play Rugby. Hell of an eye opener the first time. They did real well. Not what I anticipated, damn impressive.
I have stories that are not fit for the roster if you hit me off line. Don't all Rugby players. Was fortunate to tour Ireland and play a few games in Mr. Lincolns neck of the woods. Nothing fancy or because I was good, just played as a whore. Rugby term for playing
for another team, not that I did anything bad/good, much to my dismay. Hell, I even played in Tel Aviv.
Played for a few teams, but mostly for the Chicago Griffins. Had a hard time making it thru more than two seasons without breaking something. Like anything it was the guys involved that made it worth the while. Good lads all. You fight like dogs on the fields and are best buds in the bar.
Mr Surretsky,
The object of Rugby is to put the hurt on the other guy before he puts the hurt on you. But seriously, Rugby has more minor injuries than football but usually not as many major. In football the problem is everbody is wearing armour and they run around hitting people in soft spots that are unprotected. In rugby the tackling is more of wrapping and pulling down than the human battering ram. If someones tackling you and they spear you with out equipment they'll feel it just as much as you will.
Heard this a while ago. Don't string me up.
They say that Soccer is a gentlmens game played by barbarians.
Rugby is a barbarians game played by gentlemen.
And football is a barbarians game played by gentlemen.
Hell, I like 'em all.
I can talk Rugby, but I'm learing this shooting game. Get my stick back from KMW in the next few weeks. I miss her, she's been away to long.
Fitz.
Fitz. <SFITZGERALD@ARPAC.COM>
Give the cat a ball, I'll tackle it!, IL, USA - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 00:07:40 (ZULU)
There WILL BE a complete Review of the Match up coming but lets just say Oklahoma in the rain, MUD...LOTS of MUD, cold and wind...is a Match organizers wet dream! Then of course the next day we all got SUNBURNED!!! Third day was nice!
For those of you that were asking sometime back about Yariv one of our Israeli "hogs" he is alive, well and one HELL of a shooter and spotter!!! Was teamed with him over the week-end and he managed to pull this old geezers butt out of the fire more than once!!
Enough said other than to say it was a privledge and pleasure to shoot with the likes of Yariv, Terry Cross and his partner, Clark and Jose from Ft. Benning, Ryan and Craig from Ardmore,OK and all the others! I know I didn't mention everyone but this is just a teaser for the Review. Match organizers I'll have at least one MAJOR suggestion about how to run a KIMS game...this one was OUTSTANDING!!
THANKS Bobby, Steve, Mikey, and all the other Range personnel that made the match such a pleasure!
Sarge
Sarge <garryrn@zianet.com>
Southern Area 51, NM, - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 01:23:41 (ZULU)
We shot this fool at 400 and 500 just one group each. The 500 was 3.2 and the 400 went just over 2. With same shooter our Preban was over 9" at 500 and about 9.5 at 400. Again all this was with a 4X Bushnell. Watch me ruin the barrel or something, this is too goood!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 02:49:24 (ZULU)
There's a guy who owns a range I shoot at that, shoots a 16" bushy postban. He has a 55gr handload that will put, no shit, 15 rounds under a dime at 200yards off sandbags. Nothing done to it, not a DCM. There's some BR guys who used to shoot out there (I'm talking 26lbs rifles with delrin roller bushings etc.), but they stopped coming for some reason. ;))
I'll have to work some up and see how they do at 200 and 300. Only problem is getting new zero's, and last weeks leg showed me just how important good zero's are. I believe Highpower is also a shooting sickness. When does the insanity end?
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 03:10:38 (ZULU)
Are you shooting the 80gr SMK ? If so, I have had good luck with 25.0gr of N540 if you are interested in trying something different for long range. I used that load in my spacegun(1x8" twist and 26" barrel).
Dean Miller <ar15dcm@bellsouth.net>
Buford, GA, USA - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 03:18:47 (ZULU)
I played soccer for 7 years in school. I had my jaw broken on one occassion an my two front teeth broken on another. That tells you how good I was. :-)
I never played Rugby. But....I watched some games in Wash.DC (by amatures) and the pros on TV, "the telly", (Is that how they say it in GB?)
I want to make an observation:
Rugby is a barbarian game played by barbarians.
I promise you this is not an insult. To me, one has to be one tough son of a gun to survive in Rugby. (With no "armor") I would have had more broken "stuff" if I played that game.
Regards,
Rambosky - Over..........
Larry Surretsky <rambovn@aol.com>
Kings Mtn., NC, Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave! - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 03:36:40 (ZULU)
As promised - I am announcing the raffle start time as Sunday 5 May at 22:00 Zulu.
The details and rules for playing will be on the site when activated.
Just a few quick notes -
1. We are raffling one of George Gardner's rock riffles built on a sub minute solutions stock (http://sub-minute.com). More detailed specs on the rifle will be on the raffle site.
2. tickets are $25.00 each
3. We will keep the raffle open for a minimum of one week, plus we need to sell at least 200 tix. When both goals are hit - the raffle closes.
4. Another reason for the start next sunday evening - is that I didnt want the raffle ending, when alot of youn'z are trying to have fun at the Allegheny sniper shoot ....
5. I will announce this every evening. I took some hits from folks for not advertising the raffle time bracket enuff....
6. $$ will be directed at Army Relief and Navy Relief.
Semper Fi Hawgs....
Ken ;)
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice n breezy, Northern Va., USA - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 03:44:36 (ZULU)
I may try some longer stuff but I've never had any luck with a one in 9 twist at much over 68 grains.
Chris; I guess I'd have to believe that judging what I've seen. I had one of those super match Floating barrel, Sniper trigger wonderments. In fact I had 2 of em last year. Once was a 1 moa on occasion the other about 1.5 and I thought they were pretty fair. I had a tight chambered match upper that would hold .75 moa most of the time. ..so I sold them both but this thing was a fluke of a trade deal that I even have it. Go figure. I think I'll get some good 30mm rings and put my M3 on it. I don't expect it to shoot better but it would be a cool gun. I shot it the other day with a Sheperd and it did 3" at 500 but I only shot to zero it and thought it was some kind of fluke then.
Reminds me I gotta go clean that freak!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 03:48:12 (ZULU)
To tell you the truth I have NEVER had any luck with Hornady bullets in either of my AR's. One reason was my dies swaged a ring into the bullet casing. They seem to be really soft. The other is all of the Sierra bullets work for me.
Try the 69gr SMK or the 77gr SMK. That 9 twist should handle either of them just fine. I think it would handle the 80's too but I personally have never shot the 80's out of a 9 twist.
If you want to stick with a lighter bullet, I load 55gr FMJBT's with 25.5gr of N135. It gives ya 3000 fps + . I would imagine that the 55gr softpoint would be better for your application.
Anyway, hope that helps...
Dean Miller <ar15dcm@bellsouth.net>
Buford, GA, USA - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 04:23:43 (ZULU)
Does anyone know if Leupold has the new cams out yet? Please answer by e mail.
thanks,
John
John in MS <jrr051468@aol.com>
Land of the crazy hillbilly..., - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 04:49:40 (ZULU)
Steel painted today...Winds about 15-20 and from the South..Same shots as Friday{12 min. windage} none dialed in today and was OK..Five out of six of the refurbished Larues are working perfectly; one shot craps. A few more things to do But we are on track for Sat...
Remember, there will be no opportunity to check your zero..First shot out is for score[big score] and so it will go for both days..An operationally ready weapon is assumed and expected...The whole course of fire is UKD with no wind flags: from closer than you thought to farther than you probably want; sort of like mountain operations.. There are no amenities on the farm where we are shooting so if you think you might need something you"d best bring it. For those interested, there will still be sheep on site, although many have been moved to other pastures{the lucky ones}. We had to herd cattle to clear one firing point on Friday so don't be surprised if we have to do it on match day. This is a working mountain farm where we are shooting;If you don't like dirt or wind, you'll learn to or be unhappy.
Shooters are coming from as far as Arkansas and Jersey.
Finally, the weather is calling for sunshine and temps. in the mid sixties....Keep your fingers crossed and still pack for anything weatherwise.
Time's drawing near and we are looking forward to seeing many stellar performances.
Four days and counting.
outa here to check the wind!!!!!
Markwell <markwell@hardynet.com>
The Alleghenies, WV, USA - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 04:51:31 (ZULU)
ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, CO, USA - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 04:59:38 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 04:59:46 (ZULU)
Yes I beleive that is the case, however I notice the problem even without compressed loads. The bullet casing is extreamly soft. I have used Dillon, Hornady, and RCBS dies, all of them swage the ring into the Hornady .224 bullets when seating them.
Dean Miller <ar15dcm@bellsouth.net>
Buford, GA, USA - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 05:11:17 (ZULU)
...............mmm gotta luv it
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Oh by the way still luv to shoot so keep the shots long and groups tight...."here hoggie hoggie hoggie.........here hoggie hoggie hoggie"....workin on a new groundhog call i dunno if it'll work or not if not i guess i'll just have to put out some cat nip....hopefully it'll produce better results or is that cheating??
Marc <onesonek@hotmail.com>
Ruck hard!!!, USA - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 05:34:51 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 14:27:48 (ZULU)
Having the reticle in the spotting scope allows the observer to give hold offs in mils for subsequent corrections etc.
We've had mil scales in bino's for years and that didnt cause the known world any problems. The eye strain thing shouldnt be a problem as the observer should spend most of his time in binoculars not the scope.
Just my opinion.
Dope it, shoot it, fuck it.
Out
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
- Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 14:28:12 (ZULU)
On the plsu not an order for 200 slings came from USMC today. They want the slings to them by 17 May. Well atleast its not by tomorrow.
Undude/Mike
Mike Miller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
CA, - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 16:52:01 (ZULU)
Dirty Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 17:53:20 (ZULU)
Web address linked to my name.
Good shootin....
drmarc
drmarc <drmarc@se-tel.com>
Hillbilly, Kentucky, USA - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 19:20:51 (ZULU)
I've got a hankering to strap my heavy barrelled Tikka M55 Supersporter .22/250 into one of these stocks but before getting serious with my wallet, I'd welcome feedback, positive or otherwise, on how good these stocks really are.
Comments guys please?
Pete <pete.ansbro@virgin.net>
- Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 20:35:26 (ZULU)
Some info is probably in order on the "virus" thing . . . after reading this, you can click my name for a link to learn more about this type of thing.
There is a general class of virus out there, as some have pointed out, running under the family name of "w32.klez.gen". While we are persecuted as a group (thinkers and gun owners) this is not the specific case here . . .
All it took was for -one- person (of the thousands per day) who has browsed the roster recently to get an infected file. Could have come from their Aunt Tilda . . .
Then, it begins it's damnable work. This one goes through your contact lists and known locations for internet cache files (most web browsers will keep a temporary copy of all pictures and web code/html sitting on your computer).
So via either method, it finds all of our email addresses so it can forward itself to us. And it uses other names that it just found to be the "From: " person . . . making it look like I just sent something to Lito, and Lito just sent something to 'Yote Bait, etc.
So while not really a "targeted" attack at all, it will waste everyone's time, and cause frustration ("Why the hell'd you send me this!!!!")
In reality, the supposed "sender" may be running a system that has not been compromised at all . . . so as was pointed out, no need to contact them (they didn't even send it)
Best bet is to keep current on your operating system patches, as well as your antivirus definitions, to weed out these newer attacks. Also, obviously, it's key to never open any attachments if possible, since these worms are much more likely to be from "someone you trust" (so to speak) than some stranger.
In my organizations (near 70k folks) we have seen tons of this across all of our corp. email servers. The email admins get to handle that part, thankfully. It strips off all known problems, and any attachment that can contain mailicious code (.zip files, .exe, et al.)
Geez, computers. But they do pay for my toys.
Best, John
John <john@leveron.com>
Mid-Missouri, U.S. of A. - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 20:43:14 (ZULU)
Choate stock, how good is it? It's good and heavy is what it is!
It probably works but so would a oak tree if it was as heavy as that stock is. The worlds first crew served stock system.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 21:09:43 (ZULU)
Just received a virus-infected attachment which my McAfee program caught.
Interesting thing was that this message came up as being sent from "bnrobins" (me).
As my PC is clean (did a sweep this morning), and as Mcafee detected this attachment, it's obvious it came from elsewhere, and that this latest virus is pretty good about disguising its source. Very sneaky.
Make sure you have a good anti-virus program, don't open any attachments if you don't, and update your AV programs at least twice a week.
God, would I like to see some of these vandals caught.
Best Regards,
Bruce N. Robinson <bnrobins@flash.net>
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 21:16:43 (ZULU)
>>Question. Who has the best deals on HS Precision stocks?>>
It will likely depend on how many you need at once. What's the price range in mind? shoot me an email if you know what you're lookin' for, eh..
later
JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
just another holiday in, sd, - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 21:24:34 (ZULU)
I noted that the first group of 3/4" was 1MOA left in 0 wind, as were all subsequent groups. Don't know why, but I gotta say it pays to check the torque on those action screws once in a while.....course, most of you do that regularly, right?
cj
Chuck <wildearp@hotmail.com>
Gettin' out soon, PRK, USA - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 21:37:46 (ZULU)
Todd <thkoehler@earthlink.net>
- Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 22:12:59 (ZULU)
Ranges vegitation, live or dead, to over 1000 yds, any direction in bright midafternoon sun. Bare dirt piles, sunlit side, 800 yards, maybe farther--would not read a dirt pile beside a green leafed-out hardwood tree at 1090.
Ranges buildings, grain bins, etc 1000-1300, perhaps farther, didn't have any readily available from 1300 to 1700 (1 mile sections). It won't range a house at one mile in bright sunlight, but wouldn't be surprised if it did at dusk.
At midnight, mild moonlight,I could identify and range silhouetted treelines--the optics are good.
I need a rest/support for reliable readings much past 5-600 yards, depending on heart rate/breathing, recent coffee, etc. The projected beam is tight, and the activation switch is a little "tough", creating a jump off target when it clicks to actuate.
My only suggestions at this point would be to add a tripod mount socket for prairie dog type shooting and perhaps a dual switch system where a "firm" on/off switch would prevent accidental activations but a "hair trigger" switch would activate while handheld.
I will somehow develope a plastic foam/velcro adapter for attaching to rifle/scope while in a shooting postition.
Paul <paul_f_mickey@ameren.com>
AlloverSouthern, Illinois, usa - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 22:16:08 (ZULU)
Switch to the Sierra Bullets...
Also are you chamfering (spelling?) the case necks ?
Dean Miller <ar15dcm@bellsouth.net>
Buford, GA, USA - Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 23:50:10 (ZULU)
action screws for the Savage 110 rifle?
Rod Regier <rsr@hfx.andara.com>
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 01:00:31 (ZULU)
Brian - Hope I did not come off curt on the phone, we were getting ready for the range and I had two other guys asking me silent questions while you were talking to me. Too dam old to have that many things going on at the same time. Wish I had more info for you but as I said, wrong AO for me. Best of luck with it though.
Chuck - Being out 3/4 moa is not big deal. That can happen within al the noise changes between today and tomorrow. How hard the eggs went down or the amount of coffee you drank or did not drink. Too many variables man.
Bruce - YOU are getting computer literate!
Pete - I wouldn't own one of the things. I do not like the way the stock fits my hand especially in the prone.
Gooch - Agree on the mil dots in the observer scope. Our new scopes are Leupold 12 - 45s with the Premier reticle. They Work like a champ. Also works so that when the observer spots a target that the shooter can't see, then the observer can give a reference to it in mils from a known spot. The observer can then include a reference point aim so that the sniper can engage without ever seeing the target. As Gooch said, you can't beat the rapid correction for follow on shots. Also the back up miling at higher power as the mils stay correct through out the power range.
Oh well, got the wife wanting me to pay more attention to her then the work I'm doing, so will have to sign off
Hold Hard guys and stay safe!
Rick
Rick <rbowcher@aol.com>
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 01:41:25 (ZULU)
Leica does make a tripod adaptor for the LRF series. Look on Leica's website. There is a good picture of it there. It is part number #42221
I do not think that SWFA carries it at the present.
I am glad you like your LRF1200, I love mine and have had similar results!
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 01:58:11 (ZULU)
Be glad we're not shooting today! Thunderstorms and 25-35mph winds predicted thru tonight..Sunny and in the 70s for Sat. & Sun...Thanks to whoever has connections with the weather gods.
Final tweeking of the course of fire today and tomorrow and hopefully we can get the mover up and running. We are right at 70 rounds if you get all first round hits
We have a full slate of shooters..There is no room for walk ons{you'd never find us anyway!!]
You all be careful driving; see you on Sat. at 8AM.
outa here
Markwell <markwell@hardynet.com>
The Alleghenies, WV, USA - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 12:55:29 (ZULU)
Just a thought on the rings that some of you guys are getting when seating the bullets. You might try a bushing type die and size the neck minimally. (less force to push the boolet in) I'm not speaking from experience here so take it with a grain of salt. I don't know how much most standard dies size the neck but it has to be more than the bushing type. Hope this made sense, I just got up.
John
John Hugdahl <jhugdahl@pressenter.com>
Hudson, WI, USA - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 13:41:19 (ZULU)
Damn, we're gettin' pretty kinky around here. I like mine still kickin' an thrashin'... and able to hand me the TV clicker and a beer afterwords.
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I have gotten quite a few e-mails from youz guys that are EMPTY... no words or attachments... nothing.
I have checked the addresses, and they don't match what I know, or what is on the roster.
I have sent REPLY to "ping" the address, but get back "Undeliverable because..."
So there's something funny going on. Watch your tails, I mean your mails.
-
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 14:49:56 (ZULU)
Leave it to you to twist that bit of marksmanship technique into something sexual!
I'm refering to doping the wind, shoot the shot and forget about it.
Out
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
- Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 15:14:16 (ZULU)
And do any shoot 5.56mm as well as .223? Many bolts are marked .223 Rem only. I know SAAMI says not to fire military 5.56mm in guns marked .223 Rem only. Anybody make a 5.56mm compatible bolt?
Thanks!
William M. <elmerfudd3000@yahoo.com>
Birmingham, AL, USA - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 16:12:29 (ZULU)
Nick
Nicholas Gebhardt <gebhardt02@yahoo.com>
Memphis, TN, US - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 16:55:12 (ZULU)
Rick: Glad to see your alive and well. De Oppresso Liber !
Hogs good luck at your Allegheny match this weekend. Stay dry.
Anyone interested in shooting in the Tac-Pro match in Tx in October drop me a line, I'm in need of a partner for this one.
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Woodbridge, NJ, USA - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 17:14:15 (ZULU)
Thanx for comeback. I wasn't clear in original post. I was aware of the Leica adapter for tripods, but consider that just another piece of "stuff" to pack. And a "rubber strap"??? Why couldn't they have added an imbedded 1/4-20 female thread into the body somewhere? I can LAY it on my tripod table and innertube strap the damned thing on with a lot less pocket bulge. Will probably do that for the tripod. Mounting alongside rifle/scope might have been simplified with a threaded socket, but will probably do a velcro trick for that.
BTW, the lack of a built-in mounting system is a LONG WAY from making this LRF anything but GREAT for the price!
Paul <paul_f_mickey@ameren.com>
AlloverSouthern, Illinois, usa - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 17:22:26 (ZULU)
Hercules' powder division was bought out a few years ago by a company called Alliant. No changes to the old powders that I know of so Re22 will use the same data etc. I get mine from Widener's, great service and prices. www.wideners.com (a lot of their stuff is Shipping paid, no hazmat)!
HTH, ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, CO, USA - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 17:25:39 (ZULU)
Just a quick post and then off to do errands and chores before work...
Crazy scheduling is not leaving a lot of time for range work. I do get to fondle/clean the rifles on occasion('Lito, note that I did not say "gun" so you could turn it into something sexual).
Sunday is Range Day! I've already told the wife. Am trying to find a couple fellow shooters to go with me...more the merrier.
Am on Swing Shift for the this week, then days for a week, and after that 11:00 AM to 8:00 PM for some time. At least week ends are off.
Got my slot for the Academy this upcoming August 19th. Great, ANOTHER boot camp...
All for now...will regale you with my shooting stories after Sunday. Remember, it's my story! I can have it any way I want...
My best to all.
Semper Fi,
Wes
Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 17:56:23 (ZULU)
Just talked to an IS guy at work about the new virus going around. Here's the scoop if anyones interested. This is what I got out of it. The new virus seeks out the infected computers email address folder and randomly selects a name from the list and sends out bogus infected emails from an address on the list to other people on the list. Reread previous sentence. So the emails do not necessarily origionate from the computer infected with the virus. Also, it seems like Norton picks up the virus OK (with current updates) but does not report that the document is infected. Somehow a blank character in there is making the system go TU and not reporting feedback of actions being performed. The IS guy here is talking with Norton about the problem and if I receive any additional info I will post it.
In short as previously discussed the email might not be originating from the origional party. So if you emailed someone a year ago asking about the price of some gear and they still have you on file and they are infected, they're spreading your email address around.
At this stage of the game it sounds like it's important to keep up with the updates from McAffee or Norton.
Again, if I find anything else out I will post it. Thanks for all the info in the past.
Hold Hard,
Fitz.
Fitz. <SFITZGERALD@ARPAC.COM>
Chicago, IL, - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 18:28:53 (ZULU)
Yesterday a civilian who turned criminal learned some valuable Marine training. It started when his vehicle broke down on Hwy 5 and his day spiraled downward from there. A tow truck driver was dispatched to clear his vehicle and when the driver arrived at the scene, our moron started an argument which ended up with said tough guy shooting the tow truck driver six times.
Lesson #1 a platoon of unarmed marines had been assembling near by and in the style of all Marines before rushed to save the downed man. Our tough guy starts shooting at the Marines who carried the victim to safety. Lessoned learned Marines are Brave.
Local law enforcement arrive at the scene our brain surgeon starts to fire at them. He then makes the worst deciscion of the day, he jumps the fence onto Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton.
Lesson # 2
Our hero encounters several units of the Military Police who had just been assigned after spending a tour in Afghanistan. They wiped away all trace of heroes ignorance. Lesson learned Marines are good Marksman.
Chief out
Chief <dwightc11@home.com>
San Dog, Ca, US By god A - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 19:17:13 (ZULU)
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Sir Wesley... what is the haps on your Mexican Mouser?? Que' Pasa?
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 21:58:45 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Friday, May 3, 2002, at 02:13:40 (ZULU)
I was joking about the ex's mr. whoever is monitoring this web site from the Federal LE community.
Joke! Hah hah! heh heh ....okay, Im sorry. It won't happen again. You would only understand if you had 2 ex's.
No sense of humor at all......
Out
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
- Friday, May 3, 2002, at 02:18:41 (ZULU)
Semper Fi,
Larry
Larry <lwebdell@gloryworks.com>
USA - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 03:01:24 (ZULU)
Well, tomorrow we converge on Seneca Rocks, WVa. I am wound up for this match. Going to try to get some rack time tonight, but.......
Boltster,
Thanks for the kind words. Going to get some good trigger time with the Savage this weekend. It's bolted into the McMillan stock so it'll be good to get some time with this stock too. Getting it bedded sometime around mid-May so it should be ready for Butner in June. Can't wait for that match as well.
This might be common knowledgeby now, but I e-mailed Nikon to ask about the elevation adjustment in their new scopes. Info is as follows:
2-10 85 minutes elevation
4-16 50 minutes elevation
Semper Fi
Paul <paulcockerham@att.net>
Reston, VA, USA - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 03:07:20 (ZULU)
Don't accept any "free" anti-virus software!!!!!
This is a ploy to introduce the virus into your PC.
For info, go to:
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99455.htm
The McAfee site specifically warns against this download.
Best Regards,
Bruce N. Robinson <bnrobins@flash.net>
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 03:10:35 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Friday, May 3, 2002, at 03:47:57 (ZULU)
Steve Clarke <Ebonflow@hotmail.com>
- Friday, May 3, 2002, at 04:35:22 (ZULU)
What I purchased was a Burris 10X50 Fullfield binocular and the Burris 8X22 Compact Mini-Binocs for a grand total (including shipping, with a coupon code) of $126, for both binoculars!
Well, I was going to go with Steiners or ???'s but I went for this deal. Burris is a good maker, aren't they?? Porro Prism BAkk 4 coating, I think. Everywhere I've looked the 10X50's are going for $279-$337 not counting the 8X22's which I found for around $80
Mark Tucker <tucma@prontomail.com>
Ca, USA - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 05:56:38 (ZULU)
out
Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 09:53:23 (ZULU)
>"You would only understand if you had 2 ex's."<
I got THREE Ex's, and I understaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand! ;) New IQ test for guys over 35 says your IQ is inverse to your number of Ex's... I'm in deep trouble :((
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Just heard on the news this morning, that a judge has upheld the suspension of 3 kindergarden kids for pointing their fingers at each other, and saying "bang bang"... Judge says the mere "mention" of guns in a school is unexceptable.
Really makes one wonder!... I've just been through hell on the PC crap on guns, with my son's school.
He mentioned that I bought him a .22 for his birthday, and I got raided late at night by DCS (claiming that I had a "Large arsenal of illegal weapons") accompanied by a local police (who was laughing at the whole thing). I prevailed, but it was a major pain in the ass, and I will have to go through more hell to have the open file distroyed.
I wish there was some place to send him that wasn't like this, but this PC anti-gun shit is throughout the entire public (and most private) school systems in the country.
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'yote Bate... Be ware of e-mails promising solutions... a trojan horsie in disguise.
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 12:23:02 (ZULU)
I'm shooting a Savage.223 tactical and I love it. Accurate adjustable/ replacable trigger and affordable.
Choate super sniper stock.............
I have both my bolt actions (.223 & 300wm) in them and again I like the feel and they provide a good platform for what I do. YES they are heavy...........so what! I'm not in the military any more and I do not hump my rig in addition to a large ruck and miscellaneous extras. On a hunt or the other uses I would have for the rifles the weight is not preclusive. YES there are better.............There is always something better, lighter, faster, hotter, lighter, sexier...........and costlier.
At the risk of seeming to blow sunshine up Gooch's wazoo: The thing doesn't make you good, the practice and familiarity with the thing does. I beleive more than once it has been said on here that, it is better to be skilled wih a cheap rifle than unskilled with an expensive one.
Of course with all the talk about reloading, rugby/soccer and the whining about computer virus problems lately it probably isn't as obvious as Gooch has tried to make it.
Semper primus!
Mark <beowulf4_hire@hotmail.com>
- Friday, May 3, 2002, at 12:39:38 (ZULU)
Lito; I feel your pain. My Grandson age 13 at the time responded to some girlfriend who said (after a class about it for a week) that all people who had guns were bad, by causually saying that HE had a gun at home. Some other kid overheard the conversation. He was promptly suspended for 5 days. (automatic just for mentioning something they didn't like...free speech doesn't apply to the school system by the way). The principal said he didn't subscribe to it but it was "the law". His dad (my son)told them he did have a gun but it was locked in a safe until such time as he went hunting with it accompanied by one of us so called adults. I wasn't raided but we sure expected it for several days since Clinton was in power at the time. Lucky for me that we have some good local Policemen and a Sheriff that does'nt play those games.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Friday, May 3, 2002, at 14:20:18 (ZULU)
Its really frustrating for me cause my boy Brandon wants to take things to school for show and tell about what his Papa does for a living. He took a trophy of mine from winning the Parris Island Intramural rifle championsips one day without me knowing about it. Of course it had a guy with a rifle on it and we got a nasty gram about it.
Its not as bad here in Alabama. Not so far anyway.
Out
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
- Friday, May 3, 2002, at 14:42:16 (ZULU)
That is a painful story to hear. It drives me up the wall to think that these folks enjoy the fruits of your labor (their freedom) yet you have to keep what you do "quiet" or else you are viewed as some nut job!
Unfortunately Lito's interaction with the school is not unusual especially out here in CA. Think about what types usually run the schools....their platform is VERY anti-gun!
Arghhhh! I have to move !!!
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 14:50:34 (ZULU)
I know we discussed neck sizing bushings a while back. But I didn't listen and thought most of you all were to anal about your reloading. After all I shot a 194-9X at a match just pumping ammo out on my Dillon. Then I thought crap maybe I would have shot a 200-20X if I had just taken some extra time reloading my ammo. I have a match coming up in June for 1K again and was wondering, What size bushing do I need in one of those 308 neck size bushing die set thingies?
I'm loading up some 155 gr Lapuas with 46.8 gr of Varget. I'm going to weigh each charge instead of just throwing and going. I upgraded from an RCBS seating die to a Redding Comp die. I'm gunna use this load to see if Lito is right about these bullets. I'm hoping he's wrong cuase they are more spendy than Sierra's.. :(
I'm not anal yet but I'm working on it. ;)
Any of you guys shoot at the Badlands match with Mike Carter?
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
Going for a perfect 200-20X..San Antonio, Texas, USA - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 15:21:03 (ZULU)
Foxnews : Operation Snipe Under Way - British troops go into action in eastern Afghanistan
On main page at the moment - full story is at
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,51808,00.html
John <john@leveron.com>
Mid-Missouri, U.S. of A. - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 16:58:41 (ZULU)
Thanks
Todd
Todd <moyer3@adelphia.net>
Western, NY, - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 17:54:28 (ZULU)
Ah, the Marines at Camp Pendleton. Good lads!
Reminds me of a landing we did there years ago. My platoon had been assigned a blocking position on the beach and we had laid in with an L-shaped ambush pattern. GREAT fields of fire...of course we were using blanks for the excercise. Unfortunately, the 20 plus illegal aliens that tripped the ambush didn't know that! When all was said and done we rounded up about twenty of the most docile creatures you'll ever see. At least half had shit their pants. Those that escaped are probably still running...ah, those where the days...;-)
'Lito, The Mex Mauser project has the metal work completed, scope and mounts, etc. The stock is a full figure claro walnut mannlicher style. Custom sights, forend tip, trapdoor grip cap and trapdoor steel buttplace are done. Looks like it will be done before deer season...except for the engraving. Whole thing will be about 7.5 lbs. "all up". Mounting a low mount Luppie 1.5 X 5 Vari-X III on it in talley mounts. Also, have a back up peep sight assembly in the buttplate...can hardly wait! Will send photo's when available.
Most of my compadres have taken a powder for the range time I have planned on Sunday. Screw it! Will go by myself if need be...still have several that haven't let me know yet...am hoping. Suppose I can get the wife to pull butts? Probably not...she don't do the Texas "beer fetch" either. Shoulda married a more talented lady...;-)
All for now. Hold Hard gents.
Semper Fi,
Wes
Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 19:11:33 (ZULU)
I still miss my ex-wife, but my marksmanship is improving.
Semper Fi,
Finger
jim reifinger <ironhawk308@ec.rr.com>
Jacksonville, NC, USA - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 19:14:29 (ZULU)
Rancho Bernardo Principle was checking the type of under garments on students attending a school dance with a "Blast from the Past" theme. This was last Friday and is now international news.
Shameful!
Chuck <wildearp@hotmail.com>
Thongchecker, Kalifornication, Almost out of the USA - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 19:14:55 (ZULU)
I think alotof people who had been stationed at Pendleton and trained down near the beach and highway has had that happen. We were out there and got 5 one night. I guess the roadblock on the 5 isn't stopping them like they hoped it would. LOL
Rob01 <customrem700@aol.com>
- Friday, May 3, 2002, at 19:54:10 (ZULU)
Speaking of shame in schools, another one :
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20851-2002May2.html
A friend from the "land of the FOID" wrote one up too :
John,
That was a very interesting piece of e-mail you sent out about the guy raided by DCS. I know of a person up here, who almost lost custody of his grandsprogs, because he was using BAGS OF LEAD SHOT as doorstops. The DCFS personnel who raided his house claimed that
the shot could "go off," and kill or injure the children. The kiddies were taken away, and it took forever to settle in kangaroo court. The "people of Illinois" got to tax him to fund the costs of his prosecution, and he paid for his legal defense out of his own pocket -- incidentally, he almost lost his house due to these costs, which were not reimbursed, after he "won!"
Really a sorry state of affairs, my fellow shooters.
John <john@leveron.com>
right next to the FOID, U.S. of A. ? - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 20:08:52 (ZULU)
From an old cop when I first started "Kid all wives are transients"
From a cartoon "Trust nothing that bleeds five days a month and does not die"
Jim/Finger, LMAO and spewed coffe on that one. Anything happens to my ex and no matter where I am or who I am with they will blame me. I prey for mine daily well sort of anyway.
The man who loves the Ultimate Sniper Stock, Quick get to the doctor before the virus spreads! But dont carry the stock with you the Ugly Useless Stock Police are out and about. LOL Please take that with the humor it was intended.
Kevin safe trip and dont forget to pick a great RON location.
Undude
Guys gone for a week to Pendeleton
Mike Miller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
CA, - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 20:35:47 (ZULU)
Thanks.
Bill Moore <lmalterna@aol.com>
Goodview, Va, USA !! - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 22:18:26 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Friday, May 3, 2002, at 22:20:01 (ZULU)
TonyM <tam308@aol.com>
FL, US of A!!!!!! - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 22:48:13 (ZULU)
Try Campmore's www.campmore.com
I think I saw some there.
Out
TonyM <tam308@aol.com>
FL, US of A!!!!!! - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 22:50:14 (ZULU)
I forgot to mention, I had been to Campmor & the only thing I could find was a premade pole for a dome tent at 13' in length... I would like ot buy 22" sections to build some 4 & 5 section poles. a little mesh, some surgical tubing, a rain poncho or two...
Bill Moore <lmalterna@aol.com>
Goodview, VA, USA !! - Friday, May 3, 2002, at 23:57:04 (ZULU)
While shopping for an open sighted target .22 (decided on an H&R M12), I was perusing some of the gun auction boards etc. and came across a slick lookin' riffle. Has anyone had any experiences with the CZ 527 (I think) varmint rifle? It looks pretty sweet with a H-S stock and heavy barrel in all the popular varmint flavors (.223, .22-250, .308). If it shoots anything like my CZ .22 varmint it should be a winner. BTW 'Lito how's your CZ .22 Hornet shoot?
Later,
Rich
Rich S. <RS1441@aol.com>
Bal'mer, - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 00:37:22 (ZULU)
Try this site; http://www.alcasoft.com/ta-enterprises/
Byron <byburnham@earthlink.net>
CA, USA - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 00:38:39 (ZULU)
Seriously, does anyone have the 3day pack by Eagle Industries?
Received my Mk4 M3 Gen 2 Mildot from Premier today. Awaiting tactical stock from HS. Been on order since January. I hate waiting.
Adam
SSG Adam G. Scott <adamgscott@msn.com>
Ft. Meade, Md, USA - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 01:03:36 (ZULU)
guns in schools was commonplace where I went to high school, just so happened that duck, pheasant, deer, coyote, rabbit, etc., seasons fell during the school year. You planned your schedule around hunting, hah.. We'd hunt over study hall hour(s). I cleaned my rifle for an industrial arts project, hahh, many speeches about the weekend hunt for english credit, and this was in the '90s. I don't think anyone can bring their rifles/guns into the school as of now, after Columbine, but otherwise I think it's pretty much the same as when I was in school. The joys of a small, rural school..
JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
just another holiday in, sd, - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 02:04:12 (ZULU)
Bill M.
I was at WalMart the other day and saw a fiberglass tent pole repair kit, it had six 24" poles and a couple of pieces of shock cord so you could replace a broken section. Maybe that would work. If you can't find it at your local Walmart let me know, I'll go back there and see if they still have it and get the part number, or we can work something out if it would work for you.
Lt. Rob Opp
Robert Opp <ropp@state.nd.us>
Jamestown, ND, USA - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 05:53:49 (ZULU)
Guns in school- When I was a wee lad attending Jr High in West "By God" Virginia, we were taught gun safety and the fundamentals of shooting in Pys Ed. The school had about a dozen 22 single shot rifles and we used them right out back. But them days are past I bet..
I am still sure that school is colsed on the friday before deer season opens.
Dirty Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
Going for a perfect 200-20X..San Antonio, Texas, USA - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 06:54:10 (ZULU)
Try:
Quest Outfitters
2590 17th Street Box B
Sarasota, FL 34234
800-359-6931
(no working URL)
Or:
Outdoor Wilderness Fabrics
16415 Midland Blvd
Nampa, Idaho 83687
FAX: (208) 463-4622 or (800) 333-6930
PHONE: (208) 466-1602
For Orders Only (800)
http://www.owfinc.com/
Both are good for all sorts of fabrics, threads, patterns, webbing and notions for constructing outdoor gear projects. Both are good to do business with.
HTH!
-Tom
Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Columbia, SC, USA - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 08:10:37 (ZULU)
"But I didn't listen and..." What, you mean you haven't memorized every glowing word that the collective bunch of rogues here have done writ?? ;))
For the Bushing size, measure the dia of the neck WITH a bullet seated in it. Redding recomends 2 to 3 thou under that for the bushing, but remember that that is for BR shooters that load their ammo at the range, and single load... for us tactical/sniper types that load at home, and use magazines, pick a bushing 5 to 6 thou under, so the case will have a grip... also consider the Redding "taper" crimp die, and set it to give just a teeny bite.
If you are spending that much more for the 155 Scenars, you are getting them in the wrong place... Midwayusa.usa has them for $22 a box, and one of the hogs posted a source for $95 for 500... so that puts them Scenars right in line with them Sierras. Remember that you will be shooting a bullet that is ballistically a little bit superior to the 175SMK, but flying at 300-ish fps faster... wind and drop will be a fair amount less. You might try a heavier load than 46 gr of Varget (work up!!), cuz you want to drive them as fast as accuracy will permit... they are longer than the 175's, and since the weight is all in the back, they need more stability. Some 12" riffles shoot 175's just great, and so you may able get by, but other 12" riffles shoot the 175's poorly, so you may not be able to use the Scenars.
"Tits and wheels"... Ju gottit mang!
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Rich S... The CZ Hornet shoots 1/2" groups all day (40V-Max/13.5/AA1680/205M seated to touch.
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 13:26:49 (ZULU)
Your story about the guys raiding your home looking for illegal weapons reminds me of the old WWII movies that had German SS troops doing late night raids. 20 years ago I would not have believed this is where we would be now.
I taught my son to shoot at an early age, and he shot NRA High Power with me for several years. He was a Cadet in his High School USMCJROTC too. He shot on the High School Rifle Team for 4 years. For his 10th B'day he got a Ruger 10/22. For his 15th he got a DCM AR15 to shoot on the State Junior Rifle Team.
I have a 13yr old daughter. She has been shooting since she was 9yrs old. We just started her out with the pistols last month. Some idiot school teacher gave her a form to fill out about guns in the home. She left it blank, and told them to call me if they wanted personal information. I went to see that teacher for a little chat. Told that fool that the literacy level would improve if they would teach class instead of worrying about what was in my house. Unfortunately, we have too many teachers that just want an easy job, and have no real desire to teach.
Mr. Gooch,
The schools should welcome stories from students about how their parents have served this country. Trophies from Military Shooting Competitions, and Military Awards should be welcomed for show-and-tell.
Our only hope is to teach as many kids to shoot as we can. The new principle at my daughter's old Elementary School is a former Collegiate Rifle Shooter. The guy she replaced was useless.
Best Regards,
Bill Bledsoe
Bill B <dc8plumber@aol.com>
outback, ky, USA - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 16:04:13 (ZULU)
This event has changed a lot for me... I now know (personally) how the jews in pre-war Germany felt. I know now that at anytime, someone can sic' the DCS/police on me at any time of the night, and there's no warrent needed, and nothing I can do to stop it. 10 years ago, I would have NEVER believed this could come about in this contry.
I have read the Constitution and Bill of Rights a lotta times, and never once did I see a disclaimer "These rights may be put aside, or ignored, by government agencies, without a vote, or review, if ' it's for the kids' ".
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 16:51:00 (ZULU)
There mere fact of a warrantless search could also lead to planting evidence to make the searches look like they are really accomplishing something. If it is a warrantless search, then they obviously don't have to specify what they are searching for which leads to an even worse opportunity to plant other felonious items.
None of the LEO's that I know around here would stoop to such a dastardly deed, but the political pressures here are nothing like up North. Also, none of the LEO's that I know here would consider unannounced door busting unless it is a felony warrant. It would be totally stupid to take a chance on getting yourself shot for anything less than a felony warrant on a dangerous bad guy.
Guess it's time for you folks up North to put a sign on the front door saying: "DON'T KNOCK MY FRIGGING DOOR DOWN, JUST PUSH THE DOOR BELL BUTTON". Maybe that would save the expense of replacing the door which I am sure the municipality would not consider doing. Might also be a good idee to put video cameras in each room to record what the folks are doing as they ransack your castle. I would also have a damn good lawyer on speed dial!
My old man was a cop here for 32 years, retired 4th in seniority as a captian, and would probably come out of his grave if this started happening here.
I live for the day when I come up on a robbery where a bad guy has a gun pointed at a liberal pointy headed anti gunner, and the bastard asks me to help him. You betcha!
Rant mode off, Bolt out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
FINALLY RAINING IN , NC, - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 18:48:16 (ZULU)
So sorry to hear about your "Incedent", with the NEW Politically Correct Police Force in your area......
My personal opinion, is whatever you have that you want to keep......get it OUT of your current Abode......they ( after seeing it) will be BACK.......when you least expect it....
Take it to the bank......
I/We, do not want to see or hear about you as "Collateral Damage".
Two Shoes
Dos Zapatos
NEW mantra,................. "It's for the children".
Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 19:59:37 (ZULU)
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 20:15:17 (ZULU)
This morning, i mounted with the help of a m8, Paul, my just accuired Nightforce on my new Sako TRG22.
Went to a 100 m range and zeroized the scope.
Shot with Lapua 167 scenars molycoated behind 48 grains of N550.
It took 2 bullets to get the rifle on the paper, and another 5 to center it.
Then shot 5 5-shot groups, all averaged around 3/4 moa, for a just out of the box rifle not bad.
The rifle is very well made, just a tad heavy, with the muzzlebreak, bipod, 10-shot magazine, uncle mike's sling and Nightforce it weighs 7 kilograms.
The trigger is very adjustable, both in length, width and pull.
Got it at 800 grams. (for competition purposes)
The stock is superb, kinda like the McMillan A4, with a fully adjustable cheekpiece and butt.
The muzzle break works great.
It totally reduces the recoil, actually there is no longer any recoil.
But it sure pisses of your neighbours lying next to you, for them the blast is horrific. But it will not blow up any dust, since the blast is directed sideways, like the one on the Norcal rifles.
And then the Nightforce, although the freekin piece of metal with glass is bloody expensive, (especially for us Dutchies) it is well worth the money.
Although i like the Leupolds very much, IMHO the Nighty leaves them in his magnificent shadow, way behind.
First off, lenses are a tad better, more restforgiving on your eyes, and way less hassle with any shadowedges as with the Leuppies.
I got the 5,5-22x56mm with mildot reticle (wanted the 12-42, but also intend to hunt with it, so needed the 5,5 for close distance and moving targets, also the 100 moa of elevation in contrast to the 45 of the 12-42 was a big plus).
I find it also a big plus to have the open dots with a little stip inside of them, more presize range estimating can be done with them. And the center of the reticle is very thin, a thinner intersection than on the Leupold, S&B or the B&L, but not to thin either.
And the illumination is really great, altho the one on the S&B was more easy to use, cause on the Nighty you have to remove the cap of the paralax/ focus knob to make the reticle brighter or duller.
All in all, i am very pleased, this rigg will make me very happy untill i got enough money to order the 6,5x.284 custom stick. (am even considering to just get a 6,5x.284 barrel in the Sako)
Tomorrow gonna take it to a 400 m competition, really looking forward to see how it (and i) will perform.
Take care,
Marco.
Marco <fwebel@wanadoo.nl>
NL - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 20:31:21 (ZULU)
I guess the combination of being in the "Wild West" and having a military base(though it be AF)has a fair amount to do with these numbers!
Probably what am saying is don't give up guys there is still some hope out here!!
Hell if you don't like your local "Politically Correct" city, county, state come on out we gots LOTS of room!!!
As others have said "rant mode" off!!
Sarge
Sarge <garryrn@zianet.com>
Southern Area 51, NM, - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 20:45:06 (ZULU)
The Officer was on what is called "A come along"... just to protect the DCS agent (the bitch needed it!!). The Osifer was a rightious dude, and came back on Saturday morning, and appologised for the whole incident and not being able to stop it... and he brought "Ruggus Rattus" some icecream... the dude was in the corps, and a top shooter on their team. He is a stand up guy, and can drink in my bar anytime (free DDR&LJ's).
It is DCS (or whatever they are called in your state) that is the problem... you have no rights with them. Now here's the interesting part of the deal. You CAN refuse to let them in, but if you do, they automatically find you guilty, and take away your kidlet... so you have to let them do what they want, and pray that you can get control of it later.
My winning hand is that I know how poorly trained most "civil servents" are, and I know a little about law.
So I first called the head of the local agency in my county and asked what I had done wrong, and they stated that I had broken a law by leaving the Rat alone in the howse, and leaving him alone with... Ta-ta, (Icky) GUNS!
When I pointed out that the officer confirmed that there were no... Ta-ta, L-O-A-D-E-D (icky) guns available to the Rat, she said I was breaking the law by leaving him home alone below the age of 12. I told her that I knew about that law, and it applied to leaving kids locked in cars while their mommies played the slot machines in casinos... she says "Well, we have decided to apply that law to homes as well...
BUSTICATED!!
I called the State's Attorney General's Office, and got a lawer that specializes in kid laws, and he said that they were way out of line and had no athority to "re-apply or re-interpret" the law... then I called the top official in DCS, and told him what had happened, and (I guess) he got on the horn and shut down the investigation... but if I was the typical nice schmoe that believed in "my" government, I would still be saying "Hail Mary's" for my kid.
Sorry for the long post... just wanted to clear up the osifer thing. It is DCS that is out of control.
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 23:39:37 (ZULU)
Is your Monarch one with target knobs? Reason I ask is the catalog showing the new tactical scopes shows them with Monarch knobs. Don't know if this will be changed before the first product run, but as it is now they have the monarchs' knobs.
Have you had a chance to stretch the legs on that scope yet, or have ya had time to do a box(tracking) test with it? As scrace as used MKIV M1's seem to be, I may wait on the Nikons. I'm not at all worried about the glass, but no bodies talking 'bout how repeatable the Nikons are historiclly or how they hold up to harsh treatment.
DCS isn't the only gobment agency out there running wild. Look at the DOE, allowing that principle to check all them highschool asses out for thongs,,, and got PAID for it.....
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 01:01:08 (ZULU)
When I was in high school, I was in a JRROTC class too. We had 5 Mosberg 44 (or 144's I don't remember) and a 50' range right upstairs in the high school. This was in a fairly large city in MI. I wonder if they can still shoot there.
Sarge, when I was in NM I was a 4-H shooting instructor and NM Hunter Ed instructor. We'd have 'em as young as 6 coming through the class sometimes (With the parents' of course being that young). I taught for 5 years there an only saw 2 kids that really didn't "get it" enough and had to fail. Glad to hear you're getting "warm fuzzies" on your efforts.
Got my Nikon 6.5-20. Gonna stick it on my Palmolive rifle and try it out tomorrow, as well as some load checks for the AR with 69 grainers. Haven't used them in years, but I was given a few thou for loading this year, and no 77's. To all you tax payers out there, THANK YOU, I'll put them to good use!
T
Caison <tjsarchett@ezol.com>
Dela-Where?, - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 01:17:23 (ZULU)
>>>>The Officer was on what is called "A come along"... just to protect the DCS agent (the bitch needed it!!).<<<<<<<
Let me guess....was she any kin to Ex-Surgeon General...under the Clinton Administration Surgeon General (who's solution to all (well mostly) sexual desires is masturbation...Surgeon General....Jocylyn Elders?
If not, did she look anything like her?
Sarge:
Be careful about who you start inviting out here in Gods Country...I mean the Wild West. If all the good guys start heading our way, who's going to fight their fight? Yep, we need to be scattered all over this country and fight the good fight of freedom...just like the liberals are trying to take it away. Yeah we gottem (liberals) in Texas too but our boy is in the White House now and while he was governor in Texas, he gave us the "Conceal Carry Law." Guess what? Crime went down almost overnight. Imagine that.
BTW, I've got a joke for you. After the U.S started dropping MREs in Afghanistan, one of his aides asked him, "Mr. President why are we feeding the enemy?" Bush responded by saying, "Son, haven't you ever heard of a Texas Deer Blind?"
Mark W (Jalapeno)
Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Hi Plains, Texas, - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 01:46:44 (ZULU)
In Appendix I of the U.S. Army SOTIC manual, it states: "it is imperative that the sniper adjust his focus/parallax when he zeros his system and never adjust it again until he re-zeros. If the focus/parallax is adjusted during shooting, the point of impact will change from the previously established zero."
Can anyone confirm this with practical experience.
Thanks all.
Dave
Dave <weldedwelk@twave.net>
- Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 01:55:03 (ZULU)
Sarge, great deal! Of course ALL children should have a proper education as such. After having spent a lovely time hiking the area, I've often thought longingly of retiring in the Reserve area. Just beautiful!
jaegerspotter <jaegerspotter@yahoo.com>
just about as close to area 51 as Sarge, - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 02:20:17 (ZULU)
Well, just a quicky tonight and I'm off for now. Have fun guys and I say ban the NEA and all the teacher's associations. They make more problems then teach and then they have excuses then Carter's got farter starters over why the kids can't read.
Hold Hard guys!
Rick
Rick <rbowcher@aol.com>
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 03:49:00 (ZULU)
This
Edited after I saw Rick's comments. I concur with what he said and was trying to say bout the same thing.
The school asking about home weapons is a product of an educational reform (done on the QT) by the Liberals in the past few years. A general overhaul called QPA in this area and other names in other sections set up a nationwide system for spying through children's eyes among other things. It was also responsible for this don't give a kid the grade he has cause it might affect his self esteem thing also. I discovered it by accident and my wife called a congressman on an educational committee. I wrote a letter to the local News paper asking what was going on with this QPA system and what was it all about.... I was immediately assaulted by local school officials as a right wing redneck religious zealot with Militant suspicions.
(not bad for someone who hasn't been in church except for funerals and weddings for 40 years and Don't belong to anything but a gun club. )You wouldn't believe the rest I assure you. My wife is still scared of anyone with a Government car tag because of the unsolicited phone calls (read threatening language) she got from the Belt Way.
Hunter's safety programs can be a very good opportunity to teach Children and their parents about the pitfalls being discussed here.
Lito's scenerio has occured many many times known to me. When an estranged ex spouse of one of your children decides to help you out with trumpted up charges involving children's welfare etc. things can get tense. As those here have indicated you are guilty until proven innocent by all these Social Welfare people who have attended about 90 days of training seminars before embarking on ruining your life. (as one testified as her educational qualificiations). Sorry guys I know it's Sniper country. But like I said you wouldn't believe the rest of it anyway.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 04:28:47 (ZULU)
Got what appears to be an infected email tonight. Norton caught it and wouldn't let the attachment through. Now this looked legit, it came from: Tactical, with the subject line of RE:ropp, meeting notice. If Norton hadn't caught it I would have opened it since I am on our states peace officer tactical operations committee and get messages like this sometimes.
The attachment was labeled, Mnyd:scr
Anyone know anything about this one.
Lt. Rob Opp
Robert Opp <ropp@state.nd.us>
Jamestown, ND, USA - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 04:41:45 (ZULU)
If they want to question you about disciplining your children I reccommend having a copy of the penal code handy. In Texas it's chapter 9 covering Special Relations. And hand it to them. Tell them, this should answer your questions have a nice day and close the door.
We are on a record pace here in Texas. We are thining out death row, but keep putting more on it. Oh well it's fun to watch the touchy feely folks squirm and whine...
Lito, Whats your 155 load?
Dirty Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
San Anonio, Tejas, US of A - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 04:59:25 (ZULU)
Bill - You mean I answered before you this time! Dam I can't believe it. Usually either you or Cat man answers before I get the chance to answer. :-)
Hold Hard man!
Rick
Rick <rbowcher@aol.com>
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 05:07:08 (ZULU)
The Subject Line was: Microsoft Update. The file was a scr thing.The return path was to saager@pipelineusa.com Can we frag these guys...?
Started to vent about the feds not actively hunting these guys down and slamming thier balls between two bricks but decided against it...
Thanks Norton...
Dirty Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
Going for a perfect 200-20X..San Antonio, Texas, USA - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 06:24:07 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 07:11:18 (ZULU)
If any of youz bums get an e-mail from "me" that doesn't have my playful word style, and signed by "you know who"... dumpit!
I don't send out tons of e-mail, and correspond with only a few of youz guys... the rest is answers to your questions (which you should recognize).
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Ginger... P-L-E-A-S-E don't give up the pumps, miniskirt, and matching handbag... who will I take to the match? ;))
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 11:21:26 (ZULU)
The riffle raffle WILL START THIS EVENING AT 22:00 Zulu
The details and rules for playing will be on the site when activated.
Just a few quick notes -
1. We are raffling one of George Gardner's rock riffles built on a sub minute solutions stock (http://sub-minute.com). More detailed specs on the rifle will be on the raffle site.
2. tickets are $25.00 each
3. We will keep the raffle open for a minimum of one week, plus we need to sell at least 200 tix. When both goals are hit - the raffle closes.
4. A percentage of the fund$ will be directed at Army Relief and Navy Relief.
Semper Fi Hawgs....
Ken ;)
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Wett and Sunny, Northern Va., USA - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 13:30:40 (ZULU)
ZULU challenged...
Time check.
Larry
Larry J. Porter <skporter@nts-online.net>
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, US of A - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 15:02:44 (ZULU)
The above was sent to me by DC8Plumber when I was zulu challenged!
Right now I think it is 14:10 zulu here in the Camel City.
Formerly zulu challenged, Bolt out!
Maybe still zulu time challenged. 15:11 instead of 14:11, what gives?
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
Back to dry, NC, - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 15:11:04 (ZULU)
On your Paralax question. My experience is that if you don't have the focus sharp as you can get it and the paralax problem gone, it is very easy not to have anything like a consistant shot to shot zero. The slightest movement of your cheek weld will change impact. If you adjust the focus/paralax knob correctly, you may now get an impact change to where it should be, but now at least you should be able to have some consistancy and be able to adjust accordingly.
Was I clear or should I go back to sleep?
Semper Fi,
Finger
jim reifinger <ironhawk308@ec.rr.com>
Jacksonville, NC, USA - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 15:54:45 (ZULU)
There are some really good deals on 6.5-20 scopes coming up lately. I don't know why people are selling them so cheap but the prices are getting interested. Wondering what the value of having the 6.5-20 would be for F class matches. Would the mirage negate the use of the higher powers, etc.? I have never had over a 4.5-14 but the idea of seeing a better target at a 1000 has been on my brain.
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
Back to dry, NC, - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 16:20:09 (ZULU)
Dave C. <cj7@dnaco.net>
- Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 16:24:34 (ZULU)
I'm gonna steal some of the Catshooters advice and give it to you - by the time you've wasted the time and money to get a $18 barrel set back and rechambered, you might as well start off with a worthwile barrel to begin with.
Now my little interjection - remember that this is primarily a sniper site, not one centered on target shooting. IMHO any loads that you can't run through the rifles' magazine might be OK on the range, but are worthless in the sniper role. Not to say that a longer OAL isn't beneficial for the .300WM round. Go to the SC index and find the article on the NSWC-Crane's development of this cartridge into the A191 Military Sniper Cartridge. (At least I hope it's still on SC, it's been a couple of years since I read it).
HTH,
ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, CO, USA - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 17:28:43 (ZULU)
Next month, I'm putting a 8x32 - 50mm on my "F" class gun (in time for the Joisey Carlos Hathcock match). You don't HAVE to use the high power if mirage is up, but on overcast days, or in rain, you can use all you want, plus I have less than zero use for 4.5, or even 6 power on this rifle.
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Dave C...
Where have you been for the last few years. We have discussed the V-E-R-Y long throats on the PSS's for ever. It's just a matter of fact.
If you are going to go through the trouble of rechambering it, then throw that $18 POS barrel in the garbage, and get a decent barrel, like a Douglas air guage, a Wilson, or better.
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I haven't seen a single cat this year... I think the fat lady has done caught on to sumfin' :(( ... or she's plum outta Cats! :((((
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 17:33:09 (ZULU)
Heck, being called a "Right wing, religious zealot, and Militant", could be a lot worse........
They could have called you a Liberal........;))))
Boltster, agree wid Litosan'.........I use a 6.5x20LRT, and at 1k it is SWEET....nice to be able to see WHERE you are hitting, much less ARE you hitting(on steels).Highly reccomend a scope that doesn't require a cheek weld change with different X settings.....you get the idea.
Two Shoes
DZ
Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 18:01:27 (ZULU)
But still had fun.
The TRG worked like a charm, shot 2 groupes of 15 shots each at 300m, got 140 points out of the possiblle 150, placed 7th, and better yet, finally beated my m8 Paul with his Win Stealth! Took me 2 rifles and 3 scopes, but finally got the rig to beat his sorry Winchester-ass, hehehe. (paul als je dit leest, heb thuis nog effe de horlepiep gedanst...)
Both 15 shot groupes were al within 8,5 cm's = 3.4 inches, and there was a 5mph wind blowing, which took 6 (1/4 moa) clicks of windage.
Ammo used was 167 grain Lapua scenars with 46 grains of N150.
Bolt, i myself finally got a 5,5-22x scope, and imho the 20 power magnification is a must, don't know how i ever managed without.
The other dutchie has the 8-32x nighty, but he hardly ever uses the 32 power, and also prefers the 20 x. But it sure is handy to be able to use your rifle scope as a spotting scope.
Back to the reloading table, cause next sunday i got another competition, this time a real 400 m match. And after that one, got another 28 competitions to attend this year. By the end of this year i will have my log-book full with multiple data from just about every distance, 3,4,5,6,7,8, and 900 meters and with a little luck also 1000m. Life is good when your shooting!
Cya around,
Marco.
Marco <fwebel@wanadoo.nl>
NL - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 20:30:36 (ZULU)
I had a 700P in 300WM and it had butt load of freebore too. But I like to have all my rounds fit in the mag so I just loaded them to the longest I could that would still fit in the mag and shot them. I used both 190 SMKs and 220 SMKs. Both shot great. Usually around .5-.75 MOA. Give it a chance. Remember there is alot of contact on those long bullets so the freebore might not be as pronounced a problem as it would with a lighter bullet. The bullet might just be clearing or still in the brass and already be in the rifling.
On setting back, I agree with the others. Just shoot it for a while and have fun and then when you need to rebarrel spend the money. That's what I just did. Good luck and try some Reloder 22. It works good.
Rob01 <customrem700@aol.com>
- Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 21:23:57 (ZULU)
Dennis Muldrew <dmuldrew@swbell.net>
USA - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 22:59:53 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 23:09:52 (ZULU)
Ken...
Grrrrrrrr yo' self ;))
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'yote Bate...
You keep crackin' me up. Home schoolin' your dog ;). But how'd you do wit printin' yo' own money? I did that, and even put a nice picture of torstens sister (with the black lace stockings, and the 12ga 870), but they wouldn't take it around here... must be a bunch of liberals, or maybe anti-gun... Ya' think?
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 23:13:37 (ZULU)
Dennis <dmuldrew@swbell.net>
KS, USA - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 23:13:40 (ZULU)
DO NOT SEND TICKET REQUESTS TO MY PERSONAL EMAIL....
GRRRRRRR. CATSHOOTER ......
CLICK ON MY NAME OR GO TO:
http://aspiringtech.net/raffle/april02/index.htm
HAVE FUN.... ;)
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Wett and Sunny, Northern Va., USA - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 23:15:46 (ZULU)
Dennis Muldrew <dmuldrew@swbell.net>
KS, US of A - Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 23:24:50 (ZULU)
M40A-1 (HTG)
A3
Baker Special
Winchester Marksman
Comments and suggestions?
Mr. Rogers: with the help of a bit of Classic American Cinema, deranged by myself, I offer for your amusement the following, chosen for obvious reasons:
Gene Wilder: oh, by the way, I got a note this morning.
Cleavon Little: from who?
Gene Wilder: well I'm not sure, it was addressed to "the deputy right wing redneck religious zealot with Militant suspicions".
Cleavon Little: well, once I establish myself in this here town, "deputy right wing redneck religious zealot with Militant suspicions" might turn out to be a groovy position. Here.
Gene Wilder: listen, Bart, I want you to do me a favor, I don't want you going out there this morning. You can't win these people over no matter what you do. They're just not going to accept you.
Let's both hope that the "film" ends the same way. You've got your deputy right here.
Jaegerspotter <jaegerspotter@yahoo.com>
- Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 23:51:00 (ZULU)
Lito' I had some of that money you made show up out here at the sale barn. Last I heard it was bringing twice the face value! I couldn't
get them IRS people up there to take my Confederate money either.......happens to the best of us. .
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Monday, May 6, 2002, at 00:21:52 (ZULU)
Winchester Marksman, and never look back. No strap-ons (you know which kind I mean ;), no nuttin!
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'yote Bate...
If you're upstaged by "Blazin' Saddles" you ain't doing half bad.
Cleavon Little: "Are we gonna make a possie, or are we just gonna stand here and... "
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 00:37:44 (ZULU)
"Where's all the white women at?"
Even Librials laugh at that movie, even if on the inside.
Tried the Lapua cases agian today. They seem to be working a bit better with a consistent neck tension ;)) Still not up to Winchester case standards, but better.
How many of youse guys shoot with a Nightforce?? What's your take for the $$ ?
A question to the masters about Parallax. Does it change at a given distance with atmospheric changes. This morning I set it at 100 in a medium fog. When the fog cleared and it warmed about 15 degrees, the parallax needed about a 1/4 turn adjustment. Did I just d**k the dog from the getgo, or will the relative weather effect the setting?
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 00:49:43 (ZULU)
Good luck to all you Hawgs. It's for a good cause, so come on everybody play.
Semper Fi,
Finger
jim reifinger <ironhawk308@ec.rr.com>
Jacksonville, NC, CSA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 01:04:38 (ZULU)
Hey Hogs...
I just got back from the Sacramento shoot today. I was able to test the Leica's limits, abilities and performances.
I ranged the Leica from 500, 600, 900 and 1000 yard line. I also, from the pit, ranged rocks from 200 to about 400 yards. I ranged hills small and large. I used the grass and small out cropping rocks as targets. All in all, I am very happy with this unit. I came back with a range consistantly. A few times I had to try it twice but this is due to the lack of reflection.
To range with this unit, you need only press one button and a box appear. Place the box on the target and hit the range button again and you will have your range. What I like about this is the fact that the readings are in red which is easier to read then having it in black.
I let a few of the other shooters examine and use it and they too were impressed with this unit. I can say with great satisfaction that Mike from San Jose was correct - this is a great range finder and I would add that you will not be disappointed.
Thought you guys might find this helpful if you are thinking of making a future purchase for a range finder.
Darren...
Semper Fi
Darren <usmc_dd214_1990@yahoo.com>
San Francisco, CA, USA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 02:03:55 (ZULU)
thank you much...
STEVE C <STEVE7H47@AOL.COM>
DALY CITY, CA, USA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 02:50:13 (ZULU)
Dang was I the first to register for the riffle raffle?
Went to the range with my boy today. He done right good shot a coulpe 1" groups at 200 yds. Gunna order him a winnie on Tuesday went that comes in gunna put badgers on it, and a loopie. I may get him mounts and a scope too.
By the way Lito no one complained about my blue dress being at the cleaners, they all liked the red one just fine.
Away to clean rifles now.
Dirty Steve, Out.
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
Going for a perfect 200-20X..San Antonio, Texas, USA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 02:59:20 (ZULU)
I originally wanted the 8-40X Tasco CU series but not enough information is on SWFAs' site about it. I really like the look of the SS but cant get a clear pic of the CU to compare. Does anyone know if the CU is built to the same specs as the SS? Did it come from the same factory?
I will be shooting anywhere from 200 yards to about a half a mile. Any info will be apreciated as I only want to do this once for this particular gun. I have to keep it around $1000 with the Bi-pod. Thanks.
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Monday, May 6, 2002, at 03:11:19 (ZULU)
Ron B <bladehand256@aol.com>
canon, co, U.S - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 03:28:14 (ZULU)
Ron B <bladehand256@aol.com>
canon, co, U.S - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 03:31:23 (ZULU)
re: tasco CU series.
they are built to seperate you and you money. Pretty to look at, nice to hold, look Kewl on the rifle....end of story.
I've owned seven, repeat, s.e.v.e.n. of these, bought the first one, rest were warranty replacements.
Average lifespan from zero to 100 rounds.
Just send your $299.00 directly to me and be done with it.
Mike in Texas <mcdonald@hcn.hcnews.com>
Texas, - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 04:03:33 (ZULU)
Ron B - You talking about the Leatherwood ART series of scopes, if so send your money to me and I'll waste it for you. The best thing that can be done with the ART series is to send them to the enemy so that you know your men will be safe from sniper fire. I used that POS Scope for too many years, in both ART I and II series, and then only after they made me use it by taking away the Unertl Targets and the Redfield Acutraks. We started SOTIC using them and well the students learned to hate them in day two.
Steve C. - Hmmmm, never mind. Don't want to get some of the guys dander up tonight. :-)
Hold Hard Guys!
Rick
Rick <rbowcher@aol.com>
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 05:10:31 (ZULU)
out
G.W
Gavan Willis <gwillis@simplex.net.au>
- Monday, May 6, 2002, at 05:36:32 (ZULU)
Steve C. That rifle is not a good investment. The quality of Springfields is pee poor right at this time. In the first place you can take the finish off that stock with your fingernail. At least get the wood stock so you'll like the feel of it and it will look nice while your gettin the bugs out of it. Buy yourself a welder so you can mount the scope where it won't move. Or you'll need a Armsport mount at the very least according to some of the guys who have the best luck with that system. The springfield mount/mounts just won't stay put. It's sad. Spend a couple of grand more and have it worked over by some of our gunsmiths that run around here and you might have something. I been there and done that and was sorely disappointed. It ain't a pretty sight when you get your cancelled check and you've discovered your error. Get yourself a good H-Bar Bushmaster if the range isn't over 800 and you'll be happier. There's got to be a better way to spend your money. I'd take a Fn-FAL for reliablity over one of em at this time.
Get a bolt gun if you want a Sniper Rifle!
INCOMING!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Monday, May 6, 2002, at 05:45:36 (ZULU)
Blackwolf <blackwolf819@yahoo.com>
- Monday, May 6, 2002, at 06:49:22 (ZULU)
The reason no one shows that Varget load is because it's a bit too fast for that family of cases; try H-1000 for all the same benefits of Varget, but in a slower burn rate . . .
Data online at http://hodgdon.com/ among others.
Best, John
John <john@leveron.com>
Mid MO, U.S.A - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 08:47:19 (ZULU)
Ex wives:
"if you have trouble with your wife - take OJ Simsons kitchen knife"
Virus? sounds like what my whole family have at the moment(including the ex) goddamn stinking flu, I feel like shit,
deer season has been open 6 days, The guys from the Garrison club went out and managed to shoot a Roe buck apiece, and where was I, up to my nuts in laying flooring and routing bloody electric cables, now ive time to hunt cos i'm back at work, I get the flu and should realy be in bed, but i hate it when guys have to give up their free days to cover for a sickie, maybe the doc will prescribe some fresh air and i can sit up a tree stand and shiver and hope that the deer don't notice the wheezing and coughing.
Marco glad to see you got yer new stick, you tried and game loads in it yet?
last word on rugby, barbarians? gentlemen? " Rugby is a game played by men with odd shaped balls" and the best part of the womens matches is the shirt swapping at the end of the match !
Pete L
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 11:49:55 (ZULU)
Pete L
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 11:56:20 (ZULU)
What have you replaced it with? Can you suggest something under $500? Dows anyone know if any of Tascos varmint scopes are made at decent factories?
Has anyone had good luck with the Super Sniper at different distances. I really am not hot on variable power scopes but am impressed with the reviews.
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Monday, May 6, 2002, at 12:46:22 (ZULU)
Thank you seems inadequate. You worked hard and invested your time and money to provide an opportunity for us to enjoy one of the finest matches I've ever been to. Even though I shot like Helen Keller I had a great time and enjoyed every minute of time spent this weekend. Know that your effort is gratefully appreciated.
out
Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 12:52:07 (ZULU)
Let me echo Kevin's comment. "Thank you" is inadequate. The finest match I have been to. I loved every second of it (especially the weather...we got all 4 seasons in 48 hours).
Thanks again...you guys really worked hard and put together an awesome course of fire.
Thanks also to MGM Targets, Eagle Industries (Jerry...you lucky dog!), and Blackhawk/HydraStorm for donated items.
Patrick
PJC <mywifeiscrazy2@yahoo.com>
upstate, sc, US of A - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 13:50:32 (ZULU)
steve c <STEVE7H47@AOL.COM>
DALY CITY, CALIFORNIA, USA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 14:19:53 (ZULU)
As of late last night - I had processed 79 tickets.
Before I left for work this a.m. there were about 20 more registration emails. I will process them later this evening....
Man - you hawgs must really like that one :)
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Wett and Sunny, Northern Va., USA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 14:22:26 (ZULU)
Watch your six,
Brian
brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Monday, May 6, 2002, at 15:41:52 (ZULU)
If under $500.00 is your budget, you're pretty much stuck with the SS series scope. Another poster on this board has killed 5 of these by merely touching them. I suspect he has a brown lawn also :)).
I have on that currently has about 17,000 rounds on it, mounted in MkIV rings, and keeps on ticking. Done everything I could to kill it and it's Mike proof. Your milage may vary.
Mine seems to hold up quite well to severe abuse, the F class palma guys shoot them, but they have some limitations;
The vernier on the turrets is mylar and needs to be superglued to the turret. They will come loose when you don't need them to.
The turrets slip to zero by way of three allen screws, and they come loose from time to time. Tighten these every 100 rounds.
You will have 15-30 minutes less shooting time at dusk, these just don't pass light like a Leupold or other scope of higher quality.
Over all they're ok........I'm just hangin on to mine to see what kills it.
Mike in Texas <mcdonald@hcn.hcnews.com>
Texas, - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 15:44:25 (ZULU)
Here's one.
I live and work in a shit hole of a town. A kid was dumpster diving last week, looking for cans for money to help support his family. He ran across a duffel bag full of cash that belonged to a local bar. He turned the money in and his father sent a thank you card to the PD, thanking the Patrol Sgt. for coming out and returning the money to it's rightful owner.
We originally called bullshit, thinking the kid was wrong and had an attack of conscience or his Dad busted him. Turns out the money was thrown away by a family member of the bar in retaliation for some family bs and the kid was on the level.
The kid actually found the money and just plain did the right thing.
Hmmm. Somebody said it, Sarge I think, maybe there is a little hope yet.
Watch your sixes,
Brian
brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Monday, May 6, 2002, at 16:08:22 (ZULU)
Thanks for the info Byron, Mike.
Has anyone anything to say about the Weaver Tacticial series. I really want a scope that fits the look of my Savage 110FP but I dont want to spend twice what the gun is worth. How about Nikkon? I just need a good scope to Varmint shoot for mostly dogs/coyotes but I want to keep the Tacticial look.
Lou....who wishes everyday to find a bag of money!!!
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Monday, May 6, 2002, at 16:41:30 (ZULU)
Rod Hansen and John Markwell put on the best damn shoot I have ever attended. I am still overwhelmed by the landscape and weather they ordered up for the shoot. I cannot fathom how they managed to get bright sun, rain, snow AND hail into one day of shooting...
Sniper golf from one mountain to the other, with ~400 ft differentials in elevation from firing position to target added a whole new dimension to this flat-Lander’s experience.
This event clearly involved a whole lot of time, effort and $$ to make happen and I cannot say THANK YOU enough for giving this Yankee the chance to shoot with GREAT PEOPLE, in some fantastic conditions...
I can sum it up in one word. WOW!
Jim Mitchell <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
NJ, - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 16:49:02 (ZULU)
You might want to give a Sightron scope a look.
They have changed there mil-dot scheme to the standard and there glass is supposedly very good.
Nick Anzano <nanzano@mindspring.com>
Milton, NJ, USA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 16:59:14 (ZULU)
Try www.swfa.com for the Nikons: #6603 6.5-20x44 Adjustable Objective, Matte Finish, Illuminated Mil-Dot Reticle, Target Knobs for 559.95 is one I am looking at REAL hard for my Winnie Stealth in .223. They also have the same thing in 3.5X10 for 499.95. The IOR's have great glass and are really tough but adjustments are in strange increments and resale value sucks...
Thanks to all for the replies on the poles, just something else to tinker with at home. Grooming my shooting partner(7 yrs old tomorrow) to learn to think/work together.
Sent in for my two tix, I encourage everyone to donate/ whoops, I mean BUY a ticket- I just hope your luck is better tham mine...
Later.
Bill Moore <lmalterna@aol.com>
Goodview, VA, USA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 17:01:48 (ZULU)
Many, many thanks go out to John and Rod. The course of fire was challenging and it showed that a lot of thought and time was placed into putting it together.
I have always told everyone that I didn't golf when asked, now I can tell them I play Sniper Golf.
Danny Mull will be selling genuine West Virginia Bovine Barrel Lube to anyone that is interested as soon as he can get someone lined up to bottle it for him. It must work since he got first place in the points standing. (I told you someone would mention this Danny);)
Many thanks to MGM Targets, Eagle Industries, Blackhawk/HydraStorm and anyone else I may have missed that donated prizes for the raffle. Also thanks go to Mr. Harper for the use of his farm.
Rod and John once again THANK YOU! I hope we do this again next year.
Keith
Keith <keith37f20@excite.com>
North Central, WV, USA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 17:32:49 (ZULU)
I heard one cow ask another, “Hey, didn’t that guy lay down where we just took a dump?”
One of the sheep kept repeating, “You shoot baaaaaaaaaad.”
Maybe I was just dehydrated.
Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 17:58:16 (ZULU)
As long as you don't hear, "That's my Daaaaaaad."
Semper Fi,
Finger
jim reifinger <ironhawk308@ec.rr.com>
Jacksonville, NC, CSA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 18:38:50 (ZULU)
The Allegheny Sniper Match was FIRST CLASS. This was by far the most fun, most interesting and most challenging rifle competition in which I have participated. It was nice to meet all you guys. You are one helluva bunch of nice people and it comforts me to know that our sport has such a fine group of representatives.
A big THANK YOU to:
Joe Harper for granting us use of his land (what a piece of land it is!!!!!!).
John Markwell and Rod Hansen for thinking of this and all the hard work, time and $$ that went into making it a reality.
Brock and Jeremy for all the hard work and time they put in to help set up this match and administer it
and
Many thanks to MGM Targets, Blackhawk, Eagle Industries, Bruce Robinson and anyone else that donated prizes (sorry if I missed you).
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I learned a great deal from this and the three things that stand out most (there are many many others) with regards to areas in which I need to work/improve upon are:
1. Holding for wind instead of dialing. Will dial no wind from this point forward.
2. Ranging targets. I had a heck of a time the further back we were.
3. Spotter abilities. I wasn't much help to my partner (sorry Patrick).
I will work on these areas, as well as others, diligently.
All in all it was a good time. I can't believe that Saturday it was so warm that I had to shed layers of clothing and 2-3 hours later it was snowing and cold. CRAZY!!! Great learning experience though.
Again, thanks to all involved in making this match happen. Your hard work is very much appreciated. Also, thanks to all for the tips and assistance you provided.
Semper Fi
Paul <paulcockerham@att.net>
VA, USA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 19:20:21 (ZULU)
I also want to let you all know I got another possible virus infected e-mail fron cat shooter. Norton did not go crazy when I recieved it!! But the letter lack the cat mans flair and I didn't open the attachment. I checked with Litosan who confirmed my suspicions that he didn't send it. I'm begining to suspect we are being targeted by some one or a group. I'm not just being paraniod, I'm thinking I'm not paraniod enough.. Has any one checked with the guys from the SP site and see if they are having similar problems..?
Dirty Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
I think Sometimes I'm not Paraniod Enough..San Antonio, Texas, USA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 19:55:20 (ZULU)
So when do we get a match report? I would love to hear the details and results. Also, does this mean that you'll be planning a repeat sometime? maybe an annual (as in the weekend before mothers day) or spring and fall match???? HMMMM????
Steve - Hockyref <s_uhall@riflemen.net>
sun and wind burned, SW PA, USA - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 21:17:34 (ZULU)
Arrived home a couple hours ago after five days away. Right now I feel like a woman that just gave birth to her first child and has a husband asking if "they" can do it again.
We hope you all made it home ok and managed to have some fun on Allegheny. During the match and on the way home I filled a legal size page with ways to improve the match and correct some of our mistakes. This does not mean that we will be making it an annual event. If anyone that shot the match is inclined to put a few words together for a match report you have our blessing.
I will be sending an email out to all participants in a day or so.
Thanks to all of you for making the match a success. Sorry for the weather on Saturday.
Rod
rod hansen <rghansen@sprynet.com>
- Monday, May 6, 2002, at 21:58:22 (ZULU)
I can pick a new one up for $1700 with the scope, water-tight case, and one ten round magazine. Thanks is advance.
AC Doctor <jbvince@earthlink.net>
Johnson County, KS, US of A - Monday, May 6, 2002, at 22:55:50 (ZULU)
The Super Sniper is a great deal for the money. Many of us 50 BMG shooters have been giving them a workout for about 3 years. There were some problems at first with loose reticles, but that's been corrected and the Super Sniper has proven itself to be a tuff reliable scope. The glass is a little fuzzy around the edges. The turrent water proof o-rings are a little tight and make it hard to feel each click. But you can remove them or replace them with smaller ones. Then the clicks are very positive. They also have 100 MOA of vertical adjustment. Again, a super tuff scope for the money. Dave C.
Dave C. <cj7@dnaco.net>
- Monday, May 6, 2002, at 22:59:39 (ZULU)
Thanks to everyone who responded to my post. I have learned that I can reach the lands with a 200gr bullet and still have full neck contact. I also found that the 300 WM mag has plenty of room. Even at .180 over spec. OAL, I still have more than .100 of room in the mag. Looks like I'm set. Dave C.
Dave C. <cj7@dnaco.net>
- Monday, May 6, 2002, at 23:10:27 (ZULU)
Thanks for the info Dave,
Maybe you could help me out a little more. Since you use the 50 BMG you probably are the most qualified to tell me about really long range. Do you use a 20X? IM shooting a 7MM Mag and want/need to pick off dogs/coyotes anywhere up to a mile. Granted I have never shot anywhere near as far as this but I need something that's up to it when I can. I could also have them in as close as 100 yards. Can I do this versatile of shooting with a fixed power scope? If so what power do you recommend? I have had both types of optics but not with the precision where talking about here. Thanks again.
Anyone?, Anyone? Ferris?
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Monday, May 6, 2002, at 23:42:58 (ZULU)
Thanks for the insight to the parallax issue. I found when I first settled in, the reticle would move about 1/2 the width of the target (1" circle @ 100 yards). After the sun burned off some of the fog, I rechecked and was able to bring that movement down to an un-noticable amount. I've recorded that setting in my book, and after reading your post a few days back, will record the settings for all the distances I have available.
Pete, you workin' ?
Green with envy over you guys gettin' to shoot in Gods Country. Sounds like you had Upstate New York weather.
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 00:00:55 (ZULU)
Steve the guys did get to see some of the mountains. The farm we were on was at Allegheny Mountain on the Continental Divide. The elevation was about 3300.
One of the fields was used for the shots out to approximately 1000 yds but all of these shots were slightly uphill. During the Sniper Golf we went down into a canyon off of the side of the mountain that had about a 1 to 1 slope.
Some of the shots across this canyon were very interesting because there was nothing to give any indication of what the wind was doing. You had to watch the guy in front to get some idea of the wind. Although alot of times it didn't help because the wind kept switching. Using a hold-off for the wind with your mildots was essential. I was using an M3LR with the Gen II reticle and it was great for this with the 1/2 mil hashmarks.
Time to go help get my little boy ready for bed.
I forgot to thank Bruce Robinson for the donation of the Mildot Masters and thanks to Danny Mull for arranging to have the t-shirts made up for the match. If you guys need any shirts his friend does great work and he is pro-gun. Two very good attributes for any business.
Keith
Keith <keith37f20@excite.com>
North Central , WV, - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 00:43:31 (ZULU)
If you are referring to me, and not "EURO-PETE" I spent the ENTIRE weekend in NJ & Thee Bronx - NYC (this with a Sniper Match two hours away from home no less!)
Talk about WTF??
I can tell you the Big Apple skyline looked awfull empty coming back across the George Washington Bridge outta the city at 0200.
Brought tears to my eyes......................
I won't forget- EVER!
peteR <PNGREIFF@AOL.COM>
Back in Big City, By-Gawd, USA - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 00:49:54 (ZULU)
You spend a weekend in Jersey and lived to speak of it?? You must have one hell of a spotter ;))
Kinda funny how stuff like the trade center dulls in the minds of the sheeple huh?? To busy worrying about whether or not Ross and Rachel will get back together, or who the next one voted offs gonna be.
Here's to all those out there that are silently gettin' the job done.
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 00:55:51 (ZULU)
WHHHOOOOOO DOGGY!!!.
I just got in and checked the riffle registry email. There are 50 registrations to process. The current ticket count is 79. I expect it to be near 150 when I'm done....
Gotta git my ass in gear and get to workin....
PeteR, Scott, Marius, and Sarge are invited to play - since they are not receiving a copy of the raffle registry.
Ken
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Wett and Sunny, Northern Va., USA - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 01:49:10 (ZULU)
I can't speak for Dave, but many guys on the 50BMG board have had poor luck with the tabasco SSS scopes. I shoot a 50BMG, and have a B&L 10x Tac on it, and I'll tell you that even with a good (military) laser rangefinder, you'll be lucky to hit a Volksvagon with a 7mm mag at a mile, even on the third shot! You don't need high power scopes at long range, and if anything, get a variable. A 20x scope on a sunny day, at 1000+ yards will send you home with your tail between your legs.
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PeteR...
You shoulda contacted me, and we could have hadda beer or two, I'm an hour away.
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 01:50:16 (ZULU)
You might want to check out the Burris scopes. I have one of their Black Dimonds (3-12x50,mildots,1/4 min target turrets)& have no complaints. Made in USA too. I doubt if you will find one for <$500 but <$600 should be possible.
danny mull <drm8194@hotmail.com>
akron, ohio, - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 01:57:06 (ZULU)
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
I also want to echo the thanks put out to those who donated raffle prizes for the match. The mil dot master was quickly put to good use Bruce, thanks.
While I'am thanking people I also want to thank Jerry Rice for building me such a fine rifle. This weekend was my first opportunity to put it through its paces beyond 300 yards. To say that I was not disapointed would be a bit of an understatement. If you want a custom Remington bolt gun that shoots better than you do I would recommend you contact Jerry Rice.
Paul Martoccia <pmartoc@sprynet.com>
NJ, USA - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 02:49:29 (ZULU)
What Kevin, Patrick, Jim, Keith, Paul said.
As the newest of the newbee I learned a whole lot from a great group! Special thanks to Jim for helping me mill those far off targets. Next year: better equipment, more practice, practice, and practice. Thanks again Rod and john, I had a blast.
Jerry
Jerry <gcm522@aol.com>
Baltimore, MD, USA - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 03:03:05 (ZULU)
Damn! Sorry I couldn't be there, sounds like everybody had as much fun as possible with their pants on......(we ain't gonna talk sheep again.) A match like that makes the driving, motel room (or worse) and road food worth it. And from what I've seen of West "By Gawd" Virginia, it's ALMOST as pretty as East Tennessee!
I was happy to contribute to the prize table, and will do so again. Thanks to all who have contacted me. I hope to join you at the next one. Had to get through some minor details (divorce) this time around, but I'll be there with bells on for the next one!
Best Regards,
Bruce N. Robinson <bnrobins@flash.net>
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 03:29:40 (ZULU)
Lou,
As you probably already know, the problem with exceeding 20X is the effect of scintillation or mirage. On cool or overcast days this is not a big deal. I did have a Tasco Costume 8x42x56 on one of my 50's but it broke on the first shot. I had Tasco swap it out even for a Super Sniper. Plus the scope is to long for most mounts. This makes the eye relief to short. I don't know about a 7mm, but you definitely don't want a short eye relief on a 50 BMG. I did order 8 of the Customs for the Laboratory I work for. I put all of them through a thorough test and found that the workmanship was week. 42X is very nice though. As far as variable vs. fixed, I believe that if you go with a less expensive scope (under $500) and want reliable accuracy, you should stick with a fixed power. Then you don't have to worry about loose tolerances causing a missed shot. But no matter what, you should always buy a scope with parallax adjustment. Otherwise the scope is set to a fix point, usually 150 yards. I've found that even when spending $1000 for a top quality variable scope, I end up leaving it on one power anyway. Remember that when you change powers, you'll also have to readjust your parallax. Hope this answered you question. I've just start reading the Sniper Country board because I bought the PSS in 300 WM. Normally I post on the biggerhammer board. They specialize in 50 BMGCheck out http://www.biggerhammer.net/barrett/wwwboard/ Dave C.
From: XNYCowboy@aol.com
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 04:10:04 (ZULU)
Okay hogs... day 2 and we're up to 177 tix....
Dang - that must be a real purdy riffle :))
Anyhow - for those that missed the opening announcement - click on my name and go to the raffle site for more info.
ALSO - THE FOLLOWING EMAILS ARE BOUNCING WHEN I ATTEMPT TO REPLY WITH TICKET NUMBERS:
scott.sandberg@altiris.com
jqurit@yahoo.com
thanks hogs.....
Semper Fi and good night ;)
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Wett and Sunny, Northern Va., USA - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 04:21:50 (ZULU)
I chatted with Mr. Undude earlier, he is down Camp Pendelton way, spending time with the guys that bought a bunch of his slings.....
I am looking forward to shooting more with him this summer in New Mexico at James Jarrett's place. I met Mike through the roster about four years ago. He is truly one of my trusted friends now. Quality standup guy.
James Jarrett is one of those few folks that you usually just read about in Tom Clancy books, I have had the good fortune to take two classes previously with him, this summer will be my third. If you have an opportunity to take a class under his supervision, do it! It is easy to understand how he sucessfully led men while in harms way.
George, are you back in town with your newly trained K9?
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 04:35:33 (ZULU)
I had to take a look at the pic of MY rifle, er, the rifle I'm going to win anyway. That stock looks really good too..... except it violates my desire of no adjustable cheek piece. I've been TOLD that the thumbwheel adjustments on the Mac stocks are SOLID, and don't move once set. Anyone want to back that statement up from personal experience?
Thanks guys!
Jaeger <jaegerspotter@yahoo.com>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 04:51:06 (ZULU)
PERIOD......
Otherwise, call me, and I'll sell you some of my past mistakes( after I remove them from my trotlines).
Optics........you ALWAYS get what you either PAID for or did NOT......
Awaiting INCOMING...................:))))
BTW, Mike, you have the Illegitamate scope that got past Trashco's QC dept.....it should have never gotten past the shipping dock....;))))
Two Shoes
DZ
Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 04:53:08 (ZULU)
I didnt mean I would be shooting a mile, I should have phrased it different. From my sniping spot I can see in all directions for miles. What I meant was I can start considering the shots when they start to move in within the one mile mark. I will have to wait for my targets to get in under 1000 yards. I probably should have used 1/2 mile instead.
I have mixed responses on the Tasco SS. More info from users would be helpfull. Seems like either everyone got a great scope or a lemon. Whats the deal? Are the lemons the older ones that havent been redesigned?
What the hell is a brown lawn? , seems like everyone knows but me.
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 05:12:48 (ZULU)
The Marksman Stock from H-S is about 2 3/4 pounds, from McMillan, about 4-ish, but you should call McMillan to get exact weight.
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Lou...
Even at 1/2 mile, hitting a coyote that's sittin' still, is a very iffy proposition, and them 7mm pills aren't going to open, leaving the coyote gut shot, or worse, with a tore up leg, or broke jaw, and you are too far away to guarentee a finishing shot. As sportsmen, I think we owe a clean death (as much as possible) to any critters, with maybe the exception of brown rats.
It would be different if you was a sheep rancher (I took the 12 step program, and I give them up ;)... in that case, take them any way you can... but as far as your post says, you ain't.
They are hard to drop, tenatious to life, and deserve a better, more terminal cartridge, like a .22-250, .220 Swift, 6mm Rem, .243 Win, or equivelent wildcats, etc... and shots out to 400 yards, maybe 600 if your're good enough.
Ask The 'yote Bate... he's rolled more 'yotes than three bus loads of sheep ranchers.
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Hey PAT (Mr. HA!), donde esta?
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 11:30:27 (ZULU)
Thanks for the advice on the 700 that goes "spwang" when you shoot it. The firing pin spring appears OK but I did find a very thin crack in the barrel channel I hadn't seen before so I'll resereve diagnosis until that gets fixed and it's already at H & S for the repair.
Alan, Thanks again, too.
Lou,
I have a Tabasco SS 16X I use as my emergency scope or to put on something until the regular glass arrives. I have had very good luck with it and I have abused it. I do however have several Tabasco scopes that just plain suck and I know of some SS's that have had problems. May the buyer beware !! Save up some extra $$$ and get a Loopy or something better.
H & S Srocks
My Sendero stock cracked and Todd at H&S was cool about it...and stratight to the point...send it back and we will fix it. I love seeing a company that stands behind their stuff. I even made it clear that it was worse than a working gun...it's a training gun. No difference and it's getting fixed right now.
Joe S.
Joe S. <spojoehpd@aol.com>
The real So Cal, Cali, USA - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 12:52:58 (ZULU)
I have been so busy in the last few month that I hardly have the time to read the roster, never mind post anything worth reading.
But I need some help from you people out there in contact with the US Steel Industry.
I am searching for some samples of D 2 tool steel in the annealed state with a manufacturers certificate.
I need these for a study on cryogenics and its effects on tool steel.
Anyone out there that can point me to a dealer were I could order some approx. 3 x 3 Inch 1/2 thick samples ???
Thanks a lot.
Please use torsten.erning@t-online.de for any responses.
t
Torsten <7.62@lasercon.de>
looking for US, D-2 steel in, Germany - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 13:22:05 (ZULU)
Dogs are particularly hard straight on at even 200. Their should bones are likly to deflect or break up light bullets. The 7 mag would eliminate that problem. I used a 7mm-08 for a couple of years and it was good. We were selling hides then though. It weren't good for that. Same with .308 a-max's will kill em but findin all the pieces is a problem if it makes a difference.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 13:35:06 (ZULU)
Here we go again. Excerpt from Jerusalem Post 7 May 2002
Saxton, a member of the Armed Services Committee, peered through one of the sniper scopes and recognized that part of it was made in his home state of New Jersey. Jack Kingston (R-GA) was keenly interested in the sniper rifles and shotguns.
“I am a sportsman. There are weapons here that I would use to shoot dove or quail. Some you might go deer hunting with, but 90 percent of these guns, which are in violation of the Oslo Accords, are used for the destruction of human beings,” Kingston said.
Entire article may be read at: http://www.jpost.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?agename=JPost/A/JPArticle/Full&cid=1020337092750
In fairness, I may be reading this out of context for in the next paragraph, they talk about finding Sten guns in the PA Territories.
However, my steel trap analytical mind detects a continuing, quiet program to once again attack our chosen ones. Is Kingston a RINO like McCain? From Georgia no less. Like Jimmy. Jimmy Carter.
Bill0294 <lhardin21@netscape.net>
Clearwater, FL, - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 13:39:25 (ZULU)
One hell of a great job....and believe me, the positioning of some of those targets must have been a tough job !!!!
It was the first opportunity for me and my rifle to shoot farther than 500 yards, an it was heaven !!!!
I learned a great deal from all the guys around me, I enjoyed the company of all I came in contact with and I especially appreciate the hard work that was done by Rod, John, Brock and Jeremy for putting together a great shoot !!!!
Hey Jerry...I hope you enjoy MY drag bag!!!! Man I wanted to win that one !!!!
Thanks to all the raffle prize contributors....and a big thanks to Mr. Harper for the use of his farm !!!!
Jim...glad we didn't need the Nitro's !!!!
To all......it was a great time !!!
JRMoore
JRMoore <utl@shentel.net>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 13:45:29 (ZULU)
Troj/Diablo is a backdoor Trojan horse. If the Trojan server is installed on a computer, it will monitor and log all keyboard keystrokes made by the user.
The keystrokes are logged into a file which can be sent via email or FTP to the potential attacker. The attacker can be notified by ICQ, when log files are uploaded onto an FTP server.
The filename and extension used by the Troj/Diablo server are configurable. Possible Troj/Diablo file extensions can be:
EXE, SCR, PIF, COM, CMD and BAT.
When the Trojan server is run, it copies itself into the Windows Startup folder so that it automatically runs every time Windows is started.
Just wanted to let everyone know. Hopefully this is a false positive but I ain't running the program to find out!
breakpointx <breakpointx@yahoo.com>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 13:52:37 (ZULU)
If you like the config of the Winchester Marksman (I do), you might also want to look at the McMillan McHale. Like the Marksman, it has a high straight comb and a wide forend. Additionally, it has a nice vertical grip with NO palm swell and the forend is a little deeper. I have one of these stocks and this weekend I had the first opportunity to really get some trigger time with it. I LIKE THIS STOCK A LOT!!!! It is a little heavier than the Marksman by a half pound or so, but very manageable.
Tasco SS
I have a couple of these scopes and have had then for 4+ years and have not had any problems with either of them. They have served me well enough. Your mileage may vary.
Thanks again to all involved with ASC. I am still wound up about this. I finally got all the water, crud and rust off my rifle last night. I'm ready to go again!!!
Semper Fi
Paul <paulcockerham@att.net>
VA, USA - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 14:17:28 (ZULU)
I still dont know what a brown lawn is.
All of you with the Tasco SS, what power are you using and at what range, I still am trying to get comfortable with buying a fixed power.
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 14:25:44 (ZULU)
I have to agree with catman and yotebait on the long range coyote shooting. They are a tough animal and take a lot of killing. I really respect them and I think I owe it to them to make a good clean kill on them.
I have taken them out to around 600yds with a good range finder and shooting prone and not much wind. One shot was through the chest straight on with a 22-250imp. and the other was with a 260 using 140AMAXs. Neither one knew what hit them. I love the long range shot as much as the next guy but I do hate to wound something its a tough way to die. I would try to keep it under 600yds that still one hell of a shot if you do it in one shot. Good luck with your project!!
Pat <mrbullet@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 14:38:01 (ZULU)
I can't believe I am telling this off on myself again, but I have no shame so here goes.
We had to set up on a gun collector that lost it, a few winters back. He had HUNDREDS (no exaggeration) of lever action Henry's, Winchesters and ammo in his home. All antiques but in perfectly good working condition. Nice neighborhood. It was early a.m and all the citizenry was getting ready for work and school.
My partner and I had no real place to set up and we got stuck out in the open. The sun was coming up and we were just waiting to get burned (by the bad guy) when the bottom fell out. It was damn cold for Texas (20 F). Since we were no good to anybody out there like that, we went to this lady's house and asked if we could use her house for a hide. We were soaking wet, muddy, boonie hats all wilted, dripping on her welcome mat, shivering our asses off, you get the picture.
The lady let us in, muddy boots and all. We set up our hide in her little boy's bedroom as he was getting ready for school. Coooool Mom !, SWAT guys !!!!
Ya gotta love kids.
The lady made us a pot of coffee and a plate of biscuits. She told us she appreciated us, tossed us her house key as she and her son left and asked us to please lock up when we were through.
"Officers, could you maybe just put the key under the mat when you're done ?" "Sure, ma'am".
Thank you officers, I hope your day gets better and I also hope you enjoy the biscuits" ???????????????????????????????????????? WTF
THAT shit don't happen often around here. She was June friggin Cleaver.
So, we're nice and warm, laughing at the entry element out in the rain for a change. My partner takes his turn and eats his biscuits and drinks a cup while I'm on the gun, resting over this kid's bed. Hey, life is good.
Max, (my partner) is just plain nasty and I have always believed that his guts are rotten. So he finishes his coffee and says "Dude, I gotta go". I say "Man, after all this lady did for us, you're not gonna go and stink up her bathroom too are you ?"
"Can't help it dude, gotta go" So he takes off to the back.
He's not gone long, comes back and guess what, now I gotta go. (Cajun coffee does it every time). This really sucks because I'm wearing three layers of wet clothing, long johns, am wired for sound with my push to talk switches, muddy Rocky 911s at the bottom of it all, ya'll know the deal. I unhook from all the electronics, peel all that mess down and have a seat. I look like the back of my old man's VCR what with wires running every damn where.
So, I take care of my business and hit the old handle.
Now fellas, I have cleared stoppages on pistols, rifles and shotguns on the range and in training. But never on a live commode in the middle of an operation ! The damn thing stove piped, choked up and was quickly in danger of running over ! Holy smoke !
So here I am with my wet BDUs and long johns down around my knees, hopping around like the damn Easter bunny, wires flopping every where, trying to find a plunger ! !@#$%^&**&^%$#@!!@#$%^&**&^%$#@!
Max is hollering from the front "What the hell are you doing back there, man " Meanwhile, my dirty butt cheeks are clenched up because I am still hopping around, leaving muddy bunny tracks all over this lady's bathroom.
Dudes, I panicked. All I could do was fire back "Hey just shut the hell up and mind your damn rifle !"
"Damn bro, sounds like you are remodeling the place"
I'm thinking to myself, "yeah, yeah, sniper my ass".
There surely is a God because the lady had a plunger in the far closet. I clear the malfunction, gather my wits and get back to my stick and my boy says "Dude, what the hell just happened back there ?"
Baaaad things dude, bad things . . .
Watch your sixes,
Brian
brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 14:53:31 (ZULU)
I have
my own dogs which range from Rotts to Shepard mix. They are all in a generously fenced part of my property. Since I fenced my place all the other dogs in the "neighborhod" have been coming closer and closer. I saw the pack that is running along my property. Out here there is no leash law and it is accepted by all that if your dog is messin with someones livestock its a dead dog, no explanations given. I would expectthem to do the same to my dogs. Although I believe in killing an animal with a clean shot my experience has made me not really give a shit weather they die instantly or an hour later, just as long as they dont come back.
Im not sure if any of you have ever seen a goat or sheep mauled by dogs but I have. They dont just break their necks right away. They usually tend to tear their legs, tails and ears off before getting board then they will break their necks.The sound is unforgettable. I love dogs and all animals for that matter and I dont hunt anymore. This is strickly pest control. When I set this gun up with a scope the dogs will roam no more.One way or the other.
I know they are just doing what comes natural to them and I feel somewhat bad but I guess it just sucks to be them.
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 15:02:40 (ZULU)
I am considering a powder thrower/measure and remember you had something to say about them a little while back. Can't find your comments on 'search', so would appreciate a quick recap.
All the Best
Jon
Jon Beardsley <jon@sgreadan.fsnet.co.uk>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 15:12:06 (ZULU)
Place: 3rd MarDiv Sniper School Camp Hansen Okinawa
Date: Circa July 1980
Event: Final Concealment ex.
Narrative. There we were.....ghillied to the gills and ready to go. Command to haul ass was given and I beat feet into the boonies and flopped my ass in the middle of a real comfy looking hole in the middle of a large bushy looking thingy. (Technical sniper terminology). I lay there for about an hour, finally get to get my shots off and pass. Woohoo! Stand up and there on my chest is a massive SMASHED c-ration fueled and c-ration paper wiped human turd.
DUdes, I aint got not sense of smell due to a concussion as a kid so it really didnt bother me that much so I go cruising up to the OP with this shit paper and nasty looking shit hanging off the front of my shittyghillie. I ease up next to my sniper buddy and say, "Dude, help me off with my Ghillie." He turns to help and about loses it. It was quite a Kodak momment. Lets just say that that ghillie suit top wasnt used again.
Then there was this time on a stalk in Quanitco where another fricking stud decided to leave a mine on the trail I was following...but thats enough shit stories for now.
Out
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 15:28:24 (ZULU)
I was given a recipe for a 300MW load using 190gr MK's, New Fed GM brass and (here's where it gets foggy) Re 22 of some unknown charge. Could anyone help me?
Grogan <svfcpud@rcabletv.com>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 16:54:59 (ZULU)
While we are talking 300WM, Reloader 25, yes or no???? Any help always appreciated.
Jon
Jon Beardsley <jon@sgreadan.fsnet.co.uk>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 17:14:58 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 17:42:47 (ZULU)
Sometimes we tend to over complicate our thinking. A brown lawn......dead, not growing......as in what Glockamolie touched.
He touches Tasco scopes and they die, for that reason I never let him shoot my rifle unless I do the e/w adjustments! :)))
To your other question, I use mine to 1000 yards and it's no big deal, you can eaasily see anything you need to shoot.
Stay low power or go variable, a fixed 20 will burn you on a high mirage day.......not to mention fried eye sockets after a day in the sun.
Mike in Texas <mcdonald@hcn.hcnews.com>
Texas, - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 18:07:55 (ZULU)
300WM - Fed GM case, Fed 215m primer, 190mk, 73.1 Re22 - 3050 fps +/-25fps. .4moa
25" Schnieder barrel w/vias brake.
I always knew you guys like to play in shit. Gooch just think if you could smell, that would make it even more pleasurable. Could you tell what the C-rat was?
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Woodbridge, NJ, USA - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 18:46:08 (ZULU)
Everyone knows the answer has to be "Beef In Spice Sauce".
out
Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 19:14:37 (ZULU)
I have had quite a variety of responses on the Tasco SS. Seems to me to be a lot like sushi....either you love it or you hate it. I guess I could try one and if I dont like it maybe SWFA swap it out for something else. Or Ill just be stuck with it. I guess for $300 thats the chance you take.
I was really interested in the CU series 8-40 but only got one response about it from dave and it wasnt to good. Anyone else have good/bad luck with these? I understand they come from the same factory as the SS.
My thoughts are: I buy guns to use for a specific purpose, for my own use guns need only to kill. My guns spend much time in the rack on my 4 wheeler, leaning against the barn, and even sitting out all night with the possibility of my dogs knocking it over or having a chew or two. I bought the Savage because it was accurate and cheap, period. I have a Rem 700 BDL 22-250 that was left to me and Im afraid of scratching it. I hate guns like this. I wanted something with a heavy barrel that could go farther. I am not a tacticial or even target shooter but I picked a sniper style rifle so I could beat the piss out of it as well as really liking the look. My favorite and most acurate gun is probably a 60 year old Stevens buckhorn without even a serial number. The gun looks like hell but I can knock a mini-marshmallow out of the center of a life saver with it at 100 yards. Even large sized targets have met their demise with this gun. In reality my shots will probably all be within 500 yards. I figured the high power variable could act as a spoting scope also as I will not have the time to sit and "hunt" for these critters, there will be no rangfinders either. It will be more like jumping from what I am doing to get to my spot, pick the gun off the ground or wherever and crack off a few rounds.I think the SS 10X42 might do the trick.
Thanks for clearing up the brown lawn thing.
Now can anyone tell me where that dumpster is with the bags of money?!?!?
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 19:58:16 (ZULU)
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Woodbridge, NJ, USA - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 19:58:50 (ZULU)
This is a nice gesture.
http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pub&dt=020507&cat=entertainment&st=entertainmentpeoplewillisdc.html
S/F
Paul <paulcockerham@att.net>
VA, USA - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 22:02:21 (ZULU)
The Taz Co. 10 x 42 was practically made for us budget shooters. I have three boys at home and they can ding anything. There's not enough I'm sorries in the world to fix a dinged schmidt and blender or drop checked loopy. But the tasco has survived a couple two/three good bounce checks as they learn how to handle a shootin' stick. Nothing major just bonking it getting it out of the case, or laying it down hard on the shooting bench. At least I can teach them with out worrying about what they did to a umpteen zillion dollar tent peg driver.
Savage 10FP $470.00
Tasco 10x42ss $299.00
Choate stock $176.00
teaching your kids how to shoot...
PRICELESS
Festus
PS still deployed...will post when I can
FESTUS <festus99506@yahoo.com>
118 in the sun 108 in the shade, 2.5 Liters of water an hour, dude my mellon's cooked - Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 22:03:21 (ZULU)
I'd like to hear the specifics of those who claim they've had a problem with the SS. We found on the biggerhammer board that there were a lot of people who were dogging the scope and later found out that they had no personal experience with the scope, they just didn't like Tascos. Let's be very clear here, the Tasco Super Sniper was deveoped due to a request from DOD. They were looking for new bidders because the Leupold contract was coming to an end. Tasco took on the challange and developed the SS to meet all the govenments specificaiton. I believe the Navy did award a contract to Tasco for the SS. The SS is covered by Tasco's Lifetime Warrenty. The one time I did have to send a scope back (a CU) they had a new one back to me within 7 days of sending the broken one out. I've never had a problem with the 5 Super Sniper that I've bought and they're all on 50 BMG rifle. Just my 2 cents worth. Dave C.
Dave C. <cj7@dnaco.net>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 22:08:44 (ZULU)
We were deer hunting in Northeastern Iowa. We sit in the mornings, meet back at the farmhouse for brunch at 10:30 and then drive deer the rest of the day. Well, one day we all met back for brunch. We just sat down at the table when we started smelling this awful odor. I had to ask, "Bruce, did you shit your pants?" Bruce says, "It ain't me, I took a dump in the woods this morning." All of a sudden the farmers wife says, "Bruce, what the hell is this in the hood of your coveralls?" Turns out Bruce didn't quiet have a clear shot to the ground when he took that dump. He shit right in his hood. Bruce says, "Damn, I thought I smelled something. I just couldn't figure out where the hell it was coming from." I think we all about pissed our pants. OK, back to gun stuff. Dave C.
Dave C. <cj7@dnaco.net>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 22:25:29 (ZULU)
out
G.W
Gavan Willis <gwillis@simplex.net.au>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 22:50:01 (ZULU)
I know EXACTLY where the dogs are coming from the problem is they wont admitt it. They purposly let them run without collars so they can deny the dogs are theirs. They do nothing to spay or neuter these animals and they are constantly reproducing and SHES gone as far as to dump puppies on my neighbors property. I brought the puppies back to her and with the IDENTICAL parents right there she still denied they were hers. Now I REALLY dont like to stereo type but she comes out of a broken down trailer (and I have nothing against trailers because Ive lived in them myself), her and her kids have no shoes on and are filthy, dog shit everywhere, you get the picture. The last thing you think of when seeing this bunch is sueing. I just think its time to clean house. Im sure this wild pack wont even be missed.
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 23:07:56 (ZULU)
The early Tabasco's were made to meet specs for a gov. contract. It didn't happen. The Navy bought a few, and it fizzled out. They were sold through retailers, SWFA being the most noteable... when they ran out, that was it, they were gone for almost a year.
SWFA got so many requests for them that they wanted more, but it was now 3 or 4 years after the fact, and Tabasco couldn't make them for the same price, but SWFA wanted a scope that they could sell for $299! So you know what happened.
There have been guys that have been happy with them, and guys that have been disappointed. You pays your money and takes your chances.
BUT... if all you do is plink at the range, or go to local matches like SacTo, and if it gets busticated, it's a minor pain, but no real big deal. But if you are the kind that will travel 1000 or more miles to a match, then consider the real cost of a scope failure... maybe 1 of your 2 weeks vacation, and $1000+ for expences?... at this point, who gives a crap if they have 1 week turn around, you're already out of the match, out the money, and out the time!
All scopes (even Lupita MK4's, B&L 10x tacs, and them pricy European jobies) have some failure rate. If the failure rate is 1 in 10, 1 in 100, 1 in 1000, or 1 in 10,000, these are the odds of your trip going in the trash bin.
So pick the scope that will meet your real needs. If you need super reliability, you will have to pay for it.
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Torsten...
Good to see you. Tell you're sister that I still love her, and I'll get a green card for her, if she'll move in with me. ;))
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Lou...
If you are talkin' "Feral Dogs", include them with Brown Rats. I lived in PA for 5 years, in Dingman's Ferry on the Delaware River... it was a hot tourest spot for the New Yawkers. They would rent a cabin for the summer, and get little Johnny a cute puppy for the summer.
Come mid September, they would go back to the city, leaving the dog on the side of the road... "Oh, someone will take it home and take care of it!".
Within two weeks, they would have packed up, and be raiding garbage cans, and the local park picknickers... by three weeks, they were really hungery, and not fearing people, they were a threat to little kids. The packs were posted in all the local stores, and the locals would hunt them on the weekends... it was SOS. I carried a .270 Win full stock Mauser with 90 grain hollow points... they would nearly cut a 25 pound dog in half.
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Jon Beardsley...
I have Redding measures for the manual station, and Hornady for the progressives. I was hot to get a "Harrels", but guys here said it was about the same accuracy as the Redding, so I stayed with the Reddings. The BR30 Redding is the pick of the litter.
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 00:03:19 (ZULU)
I would call them semi-feral. They seem to have a home base. I do have a feeling they are mixed with coyote because the sucker that I am I ended up with those dumped puppies I spoke about. When the coyotes run at night mine and Hers are all singing to eachother and the coyotes like they knew eachother. You'd swear they were coyotes by the sound.
I make sure mine dont run. They are also with larger domestic dominent dogs which keep them in line.
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 01:06:47 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 01:15:49 (ZULU)
Glad to be here.
Stan
Stan <snfcaniglia@msn.com>
ohio, - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 03:09:42 (ZULU)
Just got a M1 that is pretty slick. It has a Krieger bbl, and has had all the details worked on by a man named Bob Tussey. I got the rifle from a trade. Anyway here goes the questions. It is chambered for .308 and it shoots pretty good but I have some concerns.
I heard and read that the M1's chambered for .308 can explode. I am not sure what would cause this other than firing 7.62 NATO in it. I know there are dimentional differences between the cartridges. Also I know that the Garand has an impulse gas system that is rather sensitive to pressure which brings me back to the 7.62 stuff.
Most 7.62 is loaded with ball powder and if you have ever felt your barrel afet a few shots the barrel heats up from the muzzle back. I am curious if that can cause problems since ball powder is what gave the 7.62 the pep to push a 147gr slus as fast a .30 cal M2.
Well there is a upgrade (bolt-on) by McCann for the gas system with 5 inserts. And experience out there with these? I intend to shoot the Service Rifle Match with this as well as the Garand Match...if I can ever get to the range.
I have decided to use only extuded powders in my M1 till I get some definite feed back on this.
Sorry about the absence...got married last September, been buisy.
Semper Fi!!!!
Bad Karma
Bad Karma <jwhiteii56@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 03:22:50 (ZULU)
Keith
Keith <keith37f20@excite.com>
North Central, WV, USA - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 03:24:39 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 04:22:00 (ZULU)
Man - we're thru day 3 and sold 217 tix so far.
Also - the following emails are bouncing:
wilsondl@fmctc.com
scott.sandberg@altiris.com
kayoty@caprock_spur.com
If any of youn'z have contact with these folks... please let them know....
thanks for all the support hogs.
Semper Fi, God Bless.....
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice and cool, Northern Va., USA - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 04:33:42 (ZULU)
get a lil better deal than getting it direct from bushy, thanks
for any help, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm its warming up time ta go
find Mr Groundhog.........here hoggie hoggie hoggie.........here
hoggie hoggie hoggie :)
marc <onesonek@hotmail.com>
USA, - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 05:14:44 (ZULU)
JR
JR <jr_rcsd@hotmail.com>
sd, - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 08:15:38 (ZULU)
JR...
I can't imagin ANYONE considering a Basset Hound as a "feral dog"... they aren't fast enough to threaten game, domestics, or people, and when they run, they trip on their own ears ;)
... your neighbor is just a nasty son of a bitch. Go get 'em! Woof, woof!
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 12:15:52 (ZULU)
Lito & Alan- By the way I put this thing together with all the same parts and no springy sound yet. Me thinks I found the problem, the crack in the stock. Live fire on Thursday will tell for sure.
Hey when I am getting my new rifle...I mean it is a sure thing for me right?....so the rest of you should save yourselves the stress and just forfeit now... pretty please =)
Take care,
Joe S.
Joe S. <spojoehpd@aol.com>
Sunny.....not..... San Diego, CA, USA - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 12:34:40 (ZULU)
john <acehighbmg@mindspring.com>
B'town, IN, USA - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 12:57:49 (ZULU)
John
john <acehighbmg@mindspring.com>
B'town, IN, USA - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 13:11:14 (ZULU)
Barking is not the problem. Im not sure how much property you have or if you own livestock but when a dog gets "within a farmers sights" barking or not it is already way to close to his animals. Feral or not goats and sheep bring out a killer instinct in dogs EVEN IF THE DOGS HAVE NEVER SHOWN AGRESSION BEFORE. When it comes to cattle it is not the cattle themselves but the afterbirth when an adult drops a baby. This attracts ALL dogs, feral or not, I have seen "pets" circling round a newborn like they were a pack of trained wolves. Dosent matter the breed. Even the smallest lap dogs can be the instigators.Its not the individual dogs that are so much the problem but the "pack mentality" that developes when "pets" start to run together. They do what comes naturally to them.Farmers try to keep packs from forming before the trouble starts.
Hounds are especially threatining not because they are killers but because their wonderfull sense of smell and incessant barking they will alert and help other dogs locate the animal.Then they usually stand back and let the "thugs" do the work. I have witnessed this with my own dogs, that is why they do not run.
Personally I would not have shot a Bassett hound but thats the chance you took when you let your dog run loose. If your dog was on a chain or in your yard he (the farmer) is wrong.If your pets mean something to you keep them restrained.
By the way, anyone with property knows you are not spiteing anyone by picking off cats. You are actually helping him. Cleaning house once a year is about my average for kittys, wish my neighbors were as helpfull as you.
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 13:22:18 (ZULU)
Seuss <samiam@netrax.net>
PA, USA - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 14:13:20 (ZULU)
I'm a dog owner, keep a collar on my dog and she NEVER leaves the property, I think of her as part of my family...
My younger brother is the same... his dog was shot on HIS property in Vermont, while wearing a collar, by a hunter in a tree stand in the neighbor's yard. The hunter later explained to the police that the dog spoiled his shot on a buck.
<there is enough implied malice for you all to understand what would have happen if that was my four legged family member laying there in a puddle of blood>
bottom line, think about your actions and make damn sure before you pull that trigger…. Being "wrong and stupid” will get you euthanised in my neck of the woods.
Jim Mitchell <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 14:49:33 (ZULU)
Jerry Stordahl <jtmstor@rrv.net>
Halstad, MN, USA - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 14:55:36 (ZULU)
I also agree,
When we moved out here we just assumed it was ok to let dogs run because everybody else lets theirs run also. I had no Idea what havoc my animals causing.One day a very angry farmer pulled into my driveway and told me he had just run my dogs off his property because they were circleing a newborn and "trying to take it down". I apologized and Immediatly fenced my yard where this rotten bunch now resides.
When I sugessted that it was a one time thing he informed me that my dogs were quite a regular discussion up at the diner and everyone knew they were mine. I cant tell you how embarrassed and stupid I felt. I apologized again and told that man that he would never see my dogs again costing him money and if he did he was welcome/expected to shoot them and I would pay him for his loss. This was a case of nothing but ignorance on my part. I thought my dogs were only going down to the creek for a swim but it later became 8 hour jaunts of 700lbs of dogs covering god knows how many miles. Thank god for liabilities sake they never did anything serious or I would have heard because they were all collared, taged and up to date on everything.
PEOPLE--IF YOU LOVE YOUR PETS KEEP THEM HOME--I ALMOST LOST PART OF MY FAMILY.
I have since shot one of my own for attacking MY own livestock. Sometimes its just the lesser of evils.
We now have guard Llamas whos natural enemy is dogs. For anyone with livestock these animals will kick a dog to death if need be. The rest of the surviving bunch wont even make eye contact with these guys and now stear clear of their area of the property. We regularly find racoons that they have pulverized. More than one dog is the problem?, more Llamas. We have 3 and no losses yet.
Also we SHOULD think before we pull the trigger, In light of recent events in NY and out west (dog maulings) if we should decide to "euthanize" someone for harming an animal I dont think these days you would get much sympathy from the jury (wasnt that a Rolling Stones song?)on this subject. Especially if the one who shot the animal says "it was attacking them".And making your intentions known on a web site wont help your case either. The odds are just not stacked on the dog owners side. I know this sounds like a cool idea but think how much we would miss our families in a room without a view if we were to "euthanize" someone. Probably miss them more than the pet.
I think we have beat this subject to death. Sorry everyone to turn this into a discussion about animal rights, I just wanted advise on a scope! Lets change the subject please.
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 15:31:20 (ZULU)
dustin smart <dustinsmart@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 16:30:43 (ZULU)
http://photos.yahoo.com/medicjim86
maybe the attendees could help out with names and which photos are candidates for the photos section on snipercountry...
Jim Mitchell <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 16:53:14 (ZULU)
Scott Powers
Proprietor, SC PX.
Scott <powers1@voicenet.com>
PA, USofA - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 18:27:59 (ZULU)
Anyhow, the Doc prescribed tablets, 2 of one sort and 1 of another 3 times a day, that should sort the flu out, and i should get plenty of fresh air, Aright !! i thought, Fresh air, he didn't say i shouldn't carry a rifle and bino's whilst getting my fresh air !!!, so after the afternoon in bed, i got my sorry sniveling snot filled ass, into the woods, me and the dog did a little stalking, what appeared to the Mk 1 eyeball to be a bird turned out to be a deer ear, stalked withing 50m before i could see any more, it was a doe. Then we spotted another deer, this one was a buck, by then im feeling pretty groggy, and dizzy, maybe i should have stayed in bed, anyhow, i decided i wasn't going to shoot a buck within the first half hour and i was in no condition to be gralloching and dragging deer, so i didn't shoot him, spent 2.5 hours in the woods and saw 3 deer.
took the day of work yesterday, i was feeling a little better by the evening, so i decided me and the dog should get my prescribed fresh air, had a little stalk around and saw some deer, even drew a bead on one but due to the damn tablets or the flue or both i couldn't hold the damn rifle steady enough to take the shot, so i passed up on it, me and the dog stalked on a little further, all of a sudden the hairs stick up on the back of her kneck and she lets out a low growl, about 20 seconds later, the biggest blackest, tuskiest wild boar ive seen in ages crossed the path i was on, about 10-15 metres infront of us, hell that was an awe inspiring moment if i ever had one, what a beast, magnificent, i cant wait for big pig season to start on June 16th, that big hog has an appointment with my 450 marlin.
oh my shift relief just turned in early, time for some fresh air before it gets dark..
Pete.
oh, euro price for the Leica 1200 is 450 euro's..
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 18:49:01 (ZULU)
the shop owner is roughly 35/45% above what we pay for Win Stealth's, & Rem PSS, and Vs's........he is a crook.
Two Shoes
DZ
Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 19:23:39 (ZULU)
Does anyone have experience with this scope? How are the windage and elevation turrets marked? Thanks.
Dave <weldedwelk@twave.net>
- Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 19:28:12 (ZULU)
Photos are posted at
http://photos.yahoo.com/mywifeiscrazy2
Enjoy...
As Jim says...maybe a couple are worthy of the SC photo album.
Patrick
PJC <mywifeiscrazy2@yahoo.com>
Upstate, SC, US of A - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 20:26:18 (ZULU)
Peter L... them EC dollars ain't worth spit.
Stealth's here are $650 to $700-ish, same for VS's... PSS's are a little more, but who cares about them.
I'll give you some medical advice... take the pills and dump them in the trash. Take a riffle or a shotgun, some bins, and your puppy, and take a long walk in the country, even if it's not hunting season. Stop by a creek and have a tunafish sandwich and some hot chocklit, and lay back against a tree, and catch a nap while your puppy snaps at fish in the pond... you will feel like a new man!!
-
'lito (MD)
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 20:36:33 (ZULU)
Well I've sent in my saved allowance money to George to have him build my new stick. I'm getting a .300 Win Mag done and now I need wind drift formulas for it. Figure I can start memorizing it early or at least practicing in my head. Anybody have formulas worked up for a 190 SMK at 2900-3000? I know our beloved .308 has been hashed to death, how about the .300 now?
Nick
Nicholas Gebhardt <gebhardt02@yahoo.com>
Memphis, TN, US - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 20:54:22 (ZULU)
ATN scopes are, without doubt, and NO ONE will argue the point...
The shittest scopes made, anywhere in the world, by the worst fools to ever ship a POS to the USA... Have I been clear about the ATN??
-
'lito (MD. Still practicin' medicine)
(Licence?, what licence, I don' need no steeenkin' licence to practice medicine... that's why they call it practicing... when I get it right, I'll get a licence! ;)
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 21:39:20 (ZULU)
If not ATN, what would you suggest? Leupold 6x42?
Something other than a bushnel reddot sight (a current frustration at 200 yards) needed for M17S that I would like to keep useful for close quarters but also be able to snipe at 300 - 400 yards.
Thanks.
Dave <weldedwelk@twave.net>
- Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 23:40:49 (ZULU)
Thanks for the pix for those of us that could not be there. Looks like a good time was had by all. The country side looked beautiful.
Where are the snow pix?
TonyM <tam308@aol.com>
FL, US of A!!!!!! - Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 23:45:27 (ZULU)
I have one of the Lupita 6x42, and though it's "OK" I wouldn't do it again. It wound up on an AR-15 for a while, but wasn't enough scope so now it's sitting on the bench.
Go here.
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-op-scopes.shtml
They have one for the .223 ... 4x14 power, with 40mm obj. and 1" tube, with .223 Government Reticle.
The reticle matches the 69SMK bullet at 3000fps and it's very good. I have one and I like it. It comes with a built in bubble level that's great, and the rangefinding reticle is fast and accurate. The range finder will go to 700 yds. It's a first focal plane reticle, so it works at all magnifications... SWFA has them for $350.
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 01:10:55 (ZULU)
Do you know which company ATN purchased?
The link:
http://www.cfarr.com/atnilrifscop.html
Not to beat a dead horse, but sounds like this departs from the bad quality previously assoc with ATN ? Calibrated target knobs to be available in 2 months from ATN to go with the 1/8 MOA adjustable setup...called them today, scope has 50 MOA elevation range.
Dave <weldedwelk@twave.net>
- Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 02:01:24 (ZULU)
However - I have one item to add. I had misrepresented the other prizes. I short changed the runner up prize list.
Here's the correction:
Bruce Robinson of Mildot Enterprises has expanded the other prize list to: 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th! prizes.
EACH of those winners will get a package from Bruce that contains: One mildot master, One mildot license plate (these are really cool to have on your vehicle), and Two of the "Got Mildots..." bumper stickers.
Bruce - thanks so much for adding to the raffle drawing pot.
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice and cool, Northern Va., USA - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 02:48:37 (ZULU)
>"... but sounds like this departs from the bad quality previously assoc with ATN"<
You really think so? Let us know how you like it.
;))
-
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 03:46:38 (ZULU)
On the Stealths in Deutschland.. Remember that they're paying an import tarrif(probably about 12%) and a 16% tax on these puppies. Don't know if they tack on a firearms tax, but normal sales tax is 16%. That would bring the price up pretty high for one. The Leupold MKIV's are more expensive than the S&B PMII's over there. Free trade my ass....
'Lito,
I know you've got one of them 56mm, (nope sorry) 65mm obj monsters on the Rifle from hell. And you're holding out on us cause you wanna keep the price of the scope and the high quality 3?mm aluminum proprietary(sp??) rings low so you can put one on the winchester pre-64 target and the AR50.... Selfish I tell ya ;)))
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 04:03:48 (ZULU)
>>>>I shoot a 50BMG, and have a B&L 10x Tac on it,<<<<
Which 50BMG do you have? Were all the 10X B&L Tacticals good optics?
Saw one sell on Gunbroker not long ago for $700.
Mark W
Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Improvise, adapt and overcome., Texas, - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 04:08:32 (ZULU)
One of them ATN's came into the smith's when I was up there pickin' up the new barrel'd "Riffle from hell" (which is going to get a new name, cuz it's earned it)... and the whole shop laughed... it's not blued... it's not anodized... it's... it's... it's painted black!
Their Web page "C.Farr"... get it, "See Far" (Yuck yuck), says that they have taken over and bought one of the German companies so they could manufactue this optical wonder... I'm trying to figure out which one they bought... Zeiss, Leica, Swarovski, Optolyth?? Damn if I can figure it out.
God save us.
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Mark W. (I love this edit thingie)...
I have an AR-50, and the B&L 10x Tac is in Barrett adjustable mounts, so the whole 145 moa of up is available... should take it out to 2,700 meters. I'm taking it to the Ft. Drum match this July 4th... they have targets at 1,800 meters, and Tony White (of Barrett) says they aren't too hard to hit (HA!)
All... and I mean ALL of the B&L 10x tacs were excellent... the optics are much better (it's easy to see with your own eyes) than anything Leupold ever thought up in a wet dream! The elevation/windage adjustments are the very best in the business, knobs the size of golfballs, and you can read the dials from 4 feet away... at dusk! The best example of the scope makers art that I have ever owned, or seen, including "you know who!"
At no time were there any changes, or lowering of quality. I have 3, and another Rosterfairian has SIX!!! Sombitch, no wonder there ain't none around.
Ya' think I like 'em? ;))
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 04:19:10 (ZULU)
Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 04:25:16 (ZULU)
Quick post. Am undergoing new employee orientation for my job. I've been asked to present a short overview on professional demeanor, awareness, and officer safety, because of my background. Should be fun. We finish that Friday.
Good bunch, by and large. I'm impressed.
Have to go now. Hold hard and be safe.
Semper Fi,
Wes
P.S. Let's have a thread on the .300 Winchester Magnum, as mine is being built...
Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 04:29:46 (ZULU)
after doing some research, I've found that the company is the " U. lehrnin jacshitz" optic company. Suprised you haven't heard of them ;))
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 04:30:38 (ZULU)
"Precision Telescopes, Electronics and Kitchen Appliances"
Dave, do you really want to do this?
Moe Mensale <mjmensale@aol.com>
Boca Raton, FL, US of A - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 04:45:11 (ZULU)
Cool pics! Thanks for sharing with us all.
Kevin - Was Andy wearing a steel pot? Ya gotta get the boy a soft cover!
Moe
Moe Mensale <mjmensale@aol.com>
Boca Raton, FL, US of A - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 05:14:13 (ZULU)
No, NO, NO!!!!!!!!!!
Tell me it ain't so!!!!!........ATN, Trashcos, and then.......you own up to a Springfield???.......Some things ain't sacred no mo........:)
Hah!!!!!!!.......that one for the .223, is the ONLY one they make wurth havin'........IF you gotta.
Two Shoes
DZ
Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 05:35:25 (ZULU)
In June I will try these puppies out for real at 1K.
Did I win yet?
Dirty Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
You know my Crono was sitting there before that last shot. Wonder where it went.?.San Antonio, Texas, USA - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 06:36:41 (ZULU)
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
You my Crono was sitting there before that last shot. Wonder where it went.?.San Antonio, Texas, USA - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 06:36:47 (ZULU)
Scott Chapman <schapman@myrealbox.com>
- Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 07:18:30 (ZULU)
Folks - I receive a complaint - regarding clarity of the raffle rules. I have offered to de-register the individual if they wish - no names, no questions, etc. If they or anyone else here feels 'snookered' - then don't play - I'll happily de-register you.
I also tweeked the rules to make it clear that we want to sell at least 200 tix AND be open for a week.
If youn'z have a minute - please click on my name and read the section that starts with "The goal is to sell at least 200 tickets"
And let me know how clear they are.
(no you can't say you've been snookered after the drawing :))
thanks folks,
Ken
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice and cool, Northern Va., USA - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 11:42:46 (ZULU)
-
Sir Wesley...
I'm just starting to work with the 300WM, and I like it (had one years ago, and hated it). First run was with H-4350SC, and 67gr gives me 2950-ish (to match you know what) on the MK4-M3. I picked up a jug of H-4831SC yesterday to try... it will have lower pressures at the same velocity, and will us it if the groups are the same. I'm trying around 71-72 grains... all the above is with the 190SMK at 3.550"
This one is very stable... the groups are consistant regardless of the load, and don't wander all over the target... the string from 64 to 67 grains were all the same size, and all the groups were at the same POI... a very well behaved bbl. (bbl by Jolly Green)
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FatDude...
"Jacshitz"... that's a French company spelled "Jacquesheatz"... keep looking ;)
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Moe...
I knew that Leupold, B&L and the others were missing out, but I couldn't figure it out, but you have...
I'm gonna speak to Garth and have them come out with a line of portable radios for the range, and a small washer/dryer set to take to the range an' camping... Ya' think?
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Two Shoes...
Actually, I'm not much on "sacred" and I have TWO of them Springfields... the other is a 4x14 Gen 1 that's on my M21 SA... I took all the spotters matches at the West Point Academy with it. It's VERY fast.
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 12:00:22 (ZULU)
Lito, that was some sound medical advice, i binned the bloody tablets yesterday, haven't felt dizzy since, there seems to be a flu bug going around the fatherland at the mo, (its probably germ warfare from uncle saddam) its knocked me for six, aint been this shakey for years, I'll try the tuna sandwich later.(or maybe a chineese takeaway)
Glockamolie, the shop is one from a chain called Frankonia(like Cabellas I guess), they are renown for bieng over priced(and the one here is the most unfriendly service ive ever seen), but Chris is right, we pay VAT at 16% plus import duty, which varies depending on the value of the item,but you can work on paying about 30% tax in total at least. I never buy anything there, they stock a lot of kit, so if i want to look at something i pretend i'm interested, then i buy from my mates shop.The real crooks are the bloody governments who are cashing in on the bloody tax.Like Chris said, free trade my ass, most US stuff is 30%-40% at least more here than in the US,Levis jeans will cost you about $75 here, you guys pay what $32? but you guys pay high prices for European kit.
Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 13:47:08 (ZULU)
GOD BLESS ASHCROFT.
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 14:06:34 (ZULU)
What Nazi state you live in now?
I grew up in NYC, and carried a Browning HP (without permit) 'til I left... it saved my buns twice against knife carring (without permits) thugs.
-
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 14:19:19 (ZULU)
Nick
Nicholas Gebhardt <gebhardt02@yahoo.com>
Memphis, TN, US - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 14:34:17 (ZULU)
Hi Fellas,
Just started playing with my 300 after a L-O-N-G wait. Thought I would give Reloader 25 a bash with Nosler 180gr BTs. For the first time I took all my reloading gear to the range as I thought it would save time and money. Trouble was there was a slight breeze blowing which made my scales go up and down like a 'whore's draws' (hence my measure info question to Lito). I waited till the scales settled before loading the powder, so was reasonably sure the charges were near. Any way, ended up choosing 80grs which was giving me a velocity of between 3110 and 3150. The groups were around 0.75" and vertical, which I put down to a combination of the boiling mirage and wobbly powder measure. So off I went home to load up the rest of my bullets in my wind free house.
In the back of my mind I thought I had better try the finished items to see what they were really like. Well, the accuracy improved to under .5" and the velocity was recorded at 3200fps average over 5 rounds!!!! The bolt wasn't sticky, the primer has a VERY (very) slight rounding, and the pin mark is not cratered, BUT I am getting a mark left by the ejector and a slight galling on some of the case bases. Looks like the wind was having more of an effect than I thought.
Advice needed guys. Do I pull the bullets and back off or do they sound safe enough (I only have 53). Alliant data gives a max of 82.3gr and a velocity of 3112fps out of a 24" tube, while mine is a 26". So I figure 3200fps should not be too bad. Comments please.
My custom barrel is also well balanced (tuned and rebarrelled by Dave Tooley). When I got the thing back I recentred the scope. Mounted it in Badger rings on an inclined rail made and installed by Tooley. It only needed 1 click horizontal adjustment when I zeroed with factory Federal 180gr Classic. Now with the homeloads that are way longer than factory and doing over 200fps more the POI is exactly the same at 100yds.
I used to use H4831SC when I shot mostly 165gr bullets. Was very happy with the accuracy and velocity for a factory Rem barrel (slightly under .5 MOA and velocity around 3300fps with a charge of 79gr). Found the powder was very smokey, especially on damp days. Looked like I was using black powder sometimes.
Pete Lincoln,
Glad to see you are back in the land of the living. Did you get my last message with my request for more cheap continental goodies? I can understand to some degree the difference in price between Europe and US, BUT can't get my head around the difference between UK and mainland EU. We are supposed to be part of the same economic market with same prices, GGRRRRR!!!
All the Best
Jon
Jon Beardsley <jon@sgreadan.fsnet.co.uk>
- Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 14:35:21 (ZULU)
ANyone have any idea on who to contact for warrenty/repair work on Hakko scopes here in the US?
Painting rifles. Hit the SUper Sniper Super Store (WalMart) in your area and get the el-cheapo spray paint in the flat colors of your choice. If you're really creative use some of that flek shit first to really give the rifle a rounghed up look then paint it.
Cover your lenses (Tape them off as I've seen spray paint get around lens caps), and put a foam ear plug in the muzzle. Leave the bolt in to keep paint from getting into the trigger/magazine/chamber. Keep the pattern big. Experiment on an old broom handle or something.
Dope it, shoot it, forget it!
Out
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
- Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 14:36:36 (ZULU)
The difference is more with the exchange rate from GB to E, the strong pound makes the UK Very EEEEkxpensive, including the trips to Scotland ! I can remember when it was the other way round. Whats the Leica 1200 selling for in UK then?
Carrying handguns, you yanks need to defend your rights to protect your selves, we lost those rights years ago, the Police are supposed to do it, but the Gov't doesn't give them enough money to protect their selves never mind the rest of the population.
I can carry a hand gun to and from hunting (which is most of the time for me if you look at it in a broader sense, exactly what is on the right side of the law and what is on the wrong I don't know, and i frankly don't care, If im responsible enough to own a pistol Im responsible enough to know when and where to carry the piece IMHO) I called at a video shop once on the way home from the range one evening, i had the pistol in its case under a jacket on the front passanger seat. In the vid shop some Russian pimp decided to beat up on one of his girls, and he didn't like it when i told him to pick on some one his own size, the SOB was waiting for me in the car park when i went back to the jeep, he slammed the door on my back and when i turned to face him he was brandishing a knife, you should have seen the assholes face when I racked the slide on the Browning and pointed it at his head( me technicaly breaking the law I might add), my only words where, "Und Jetzt?" (and now?) his knees when to jelly and he ran for it, dropping the knife, he hadn't rekoned with an armed citizen. I am convinced that that asshole would have stuck me and robbed me. But to save my own life I broke the law, well, who was it that said." The law is an ass !"
Support the 2nd ammendment,do not become a society at the mercy of criminals with a police force almost powerless to protect you..
Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 15:10:51 (ZULU)
Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 15:13:27 (ZULU)
what is "Nics-insta-check" & is it tapped into the
"canadian firearms center" or "CPIC" so us americanadians can
play! it shore is a purdy piece o work!!!
macgregor
g macgregor <brownc@kos.net>
BATTERSEA, ONTARIO, CANADA - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 15:15:21 (ZULU)
Been REAL busy with many things, have been lurking though.
Trashco scopes: Now and for the foreseeable future my shooting is on a fixed budget, so I bought one of those $70 VAR 2.5-10X-42 Varmint Tactical mil dot scopes, figuring I can move it later to my HB .22 (the one that's still in my head and not in my gun cabinet). After living with it for a few months, here are my observations:
Sucker is way better in terms of clarity and easier to shoot with than my $100 Simmons POS was, has target turrets, and "true" mil dots. Adjustable objective actually focuses where it's marked. Although not quite as bright as a buddies Vari-X III, it's a 2 piece tube (yuck), and made in Red China (ick..didn't know it until it arrived) it does the job for non critical use, and it survived a 4 foot drop onto concrete with the only damage being a smooshed in windage cap and tweaked dovetail mount (now sporting a budgetarily expedient full circumference welded base/ring interface). I figured I would open the flip up and pour the glass out...nope!
I spent the rest of the budget developing a one hole load for my stick and shooting a bunch of them. But if there was any way I could afford a Loopie or USO I would opt for that. If I get too much more involved in this niche of the shooting (and I'm sure I will), the upgrade will happen.....but this place I am living at and my wife's desires (not a bad thing..yet!) have me close to tapped out for awhile yet.
YMMV!
Paint: Hunter Specialties camo paint works pretty good for me if you have it in your area. They have all the good colors, they dry VERY matte, and I believe you can get them at Wal Mart like Gooch said. Gander Mountain should carry it, they're about everywhere now aren't they? Stick don't rust, adapts to terrain very easy, and is easy to touch up! I also did too small a pattern my first try, at a distance it looked like, well, a painted rifle! Big pattern = good!
The wifie has me leveling some ground and pouring a new patio, the floor for my new shop will be poured at the same time..although at this rate with work, I may get to it the week after next. My reloading process has outgrown my space in the house, so I am remodeling one of my sheds and will wind up with approximately 15X18 feet of electrically supplied clean, heated, and bench/tools/presses/refrigerator/radio/tv equipped shed. I'm starting to feel like Tim "the tool man" Taylor with all the work around here the last couple months. Ugh Ugh!
'Lito I haven't forgotten about you, I ran out again and just got some more discs in last night!
All for now, take care guys, and thanks for the great discussions that have been popping up. I soak this shit up like a sponge even if I strayed from home with my Tasco and Sa...Sa...oh hell I can't say it! ;-)
Geoff M <kill@internetwis.com>
WI, USA - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 15:33:29 (ZULU)
There's nothing wrong with a Savage that a new stock and trigger won't fix.
I have a couple of them and they'll shoot (or outshoot) as good anything else.
I even have a Trashco 6-24X with mil-dot on my 22-250. Works fine.
Nick
Nick Anzano <nanzano@mindspring.com>
Milton, NJ, USA - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 15:55:09 (ZULU)
Hakko = Springfield? Was that one aimed at 'lito? ;-))
.300WM...... been experimenting for a few years. Thru one of JR's 26" great 10X barrels..... 74gr. RE22 avg. 2980 on my Oehler with fine accuracy,steady .4"'s 5-shot @ 100yds. No high pressure indications.
Tracks the M3 (I won't say it) like it's on rails. Chrono'd Fed. GMM on the same day.... avg. 2966fps.
Ken H..... When do we pay for the raffle tickets, or have I been comatose?
ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, CO, USA - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 17:09:04 (ZULU)
The Leica is £350 here (thats about €560 )
I just found out mine arrives tomorrow after being on order for a month. I was looking forward to getting it until you said its €470 in the Fatherland :-( Is that general retail or your mates special discount?
Mark D <dougie@mill.co.uk>
London, UK - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 17:55:34 (ZULU)
Thats retail from my mate,(plus or even minus, my, its for a mate of mine discount that he always gives me, which is usualy a lot less than retail else where. he works on 5% profit. if its for me he doesn't charge the 5%, but im honest (unless you are my Bank manager or work for the tax authorities or customs !!) and i tell him whats for me and what isn't.
He was trying to talk me out of buying a bunch of reloading gear the other day, with the arguament that by the time i buy all the kit and components i could have bought a load of ammo. I would like to know how the price compares, 20 rds factory to 20 rds hand loaded and how many rounds i'd have to load before i saw a profit after spending about $750 on gear and $300 on the bloody state required course and permit. any of you guys enlighten me?
Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 18:35:13 (ZULU)
this week my own nice little country, home of windmills and tullips, lost its innocence...
We used to be proud that our politicians did (in Lito's words) not "need no steenkin" spec-ops bodyguards, that they could go and stand everywhere as if they were normal citizens, that political murders only happened in country's like the US etc...
Well, no more.
We tullip boys got, unfortenatly, now our own Lee-Harvey Oswald kinda situation.
One of our most popular politicians, Pim Fortuyn, got killed last monday, he was leading this years elections race.
After a radio program he was ambushed by a crazy envirementolist, who shot him 5 times from up close, head, chest and neck.
And why?
Because the shooter did not like the fact that this politician did not mind people buying fur coats, so he decided the "evil" anti-animal politician had to die.
The smuck had calculated it al very well, except his escape route, he got arrested with in 15 minutes.
Tomorrow Pim Fortuyn will get burried, hundred of thousands will attend.
I would not have voted on him (to extreme), but he sure was what this country needs, a new breeze.
And from now on all politicians are protected by body-guards.
All i am worried about now, is how this is gonna affect the laws on owning guns, already people are screaming about banning guns...normally our Government wont react in panic, but then again, never did we have a politician killed before.
Guess i'll have to wait and see what happens.
Until then i'll be having fun with the TRG, sunday another match, 400 m this time, and i am going to try out the use of my just acuired Angle Cosine Indicator, mighty nice little piece of equipment.
(nightforce scope is getting pretty full, with the ACI and Pathfinder mounted on it)
Pete L,
do you still need one of them ACI's for one of your m8s, cause i still got one left if so.
Cya around,
Marco.
Marco <fwebel@wanadoo.nl>
NL - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 18:42:23 (ZULU)
I've shot about 600 rounds of 308 this year and about 1K 223. All was loaded myself. The brass was paid for, but if I took the lapua's price:
308
Brass: $33 per 100
Powder: $120 per 8# Varget
Primers: $25 per 1K
Bullets: $70 per 500
so that works out to about $153 for 500 or about $.32 a round for good stuff. So, instead of paying $380- per 500 rounds of BH you're loading for $153 and saving about $227 per 500. Now, include you're loading equipment at $700 and the fact that you're not gonna need brass for the next 10k you load. You're loads now become $.24 each so your loading 500 for $120, a $260 savings. So after loading 1K rounds you've paid half of your inital investment. Load another 1K and you're paid off. If you load more than one caliber it pays even quicker...
What you don't take into account when you start this is that you'll end up liking it and buying all kinds of crap to go along with it.
So, I say DO IT!! What happens when Herr Schtikuphizarse says you can't buy no more ammo??
(please don't spoil my illusions, if my calculations are incorrect just shoot me... ;))
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 18:54:49 (ZULU)
Hey Marco, last time I looked at a map, your AO only had two contour lines and one was "mean high tide". ;-)
Take care, when are you coming back to visit?
out
Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 19:15:31 (ZULU)
Do you really need to spend "$300 on the bloody state required course and permit" or are you just kidding? I can't imagine the "state" knowing more about reloading than I do. Then again, most regulations don't make much sense anyway.
I would recommend reloading for a number of reasons:
1. More ammo for the money. You won't save money, but you will shoot more with what you have.
2. Great excuse to buy all sorts of tools, powders, bullets, etc.
3. It's a lot of fun. That first round you make and shoot will have you hooked. It's a passion.
4. Inventory. You can build an inventory of components to experiment with, and you never need to worry about getting ammo from the store.
Hope this helps!
================================================
Marco,
My condolences to you and your countrymen. It's a sad day.
Regards,
Steve
Duman <steve_duey@hp.com>
- Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 19:25:12 (ZULU)
I hope that these save the whale/mink/cochroach eco-terrorists will be seen for the parasites they are. Ive nothing against saving the odd whale or two and cruelty to animals should be dealt with seriously, but we humans are top of the food chain, we have eaten animal flesh and used their skins and bones as clothing and tools for how many years now? and just because a bunch of out of work, hippie punk flower power assholes decide that we shouldn't eat or hunt animals or use their fur we all of a sudden have to rethink human nature?
Our forefathers in certain cases did not hunt ethicaly, and human habitation has created an imbalance in nature, that we, humans, the caretakers of mother nature have to help balance out. Hunting is Active Nature Protection and these damn wierdo eco terrorists are all crazy. where did the sucker get his gun? was it registered? or was it black market?
Finaly a European Politicion who was a right wing conservative(even if he was an arsebandit), who spoke his mind and dared not to be politicaly correct, and some green echohippy blows the guy away.
Hell we have to many polititians, but if they are to be shot, start with the Socialist/lying corrupt bunch first !!! Hell we could have had right wing/conservative Holland Austria France and hopefully UK, this may have stemmed the socialist tide for a while.
Keep me posted on the gun details that the hippy used, legal/illegal/registered etc.
damn did i start preaching again?
Is your Sako Black or Green?
Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 19:44:17 (ZULU)
Its all bollocks,because i can reload in the UK, and buy powder with my UK gun license, and i think i can still buy powder in Holland. The Germans are mad about paperwork and certificates, that they dont have a scheissenhausenschein( to go to the crapper) is about it.
Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 20:22:54 (ZULU)
I live in central Illinois. When I first moved here I immediatly called the State Police to Get an application for a carry permit. The cop literally laughed at me. You can imagine my anger when every day of my life I carried since '85 and now it was all over(or so they think). Im not sure if you know this but when you get a New York carry permitt many surrounding states will honor it or give you a non-resident permitt because NY's happens to be one of the hardest to get.I had NY, Penn, Ct and Mass. Vermont and NH honored NY's at the time, not sure anymore. I had a business carry which was good only when doing business or carrying large sums of money. Well needless to say I had a 24 hour business and always carried $1000 cash weather I needed to or not. You get the pic. ;)>. All the others were full carry. Ct. God bless their souls was CONCEALLED ONLY. I was probably more qualified to carry than the cop who laughed at me.
Im not sure if you all are aware of a person who has spoken for us and never gets the recognition he deserves.There are many interesting things on this site. Please support it any way you can. People like this are all we have.
keepandbeararms.com
A new day has dawned boys and girls, let freedom ring baby.
Lou
p.s The Browning HP was my carry weapon also, the Belgium model of course. I switched to a colt Detective spec. for the summer months. It fit into a fag bag so I could carry with shorts and a tee shirt.
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 22:01:57 (ZULU)
you will probably find this funny being familiar with NY.
When you apply for a NY carry permit it is done through local police then state, then federal in that order as you might expect. When approved by the feds it is sent to the state who then sends it to the county in which you reside.
The county I lived in (Westchester) then makes their own rules and stamps "restricted" across the front in big red letters with the "restrictions" listed on the rear (ie. target, hunting,business etc.)
Now this is the only county which does this and the rest of NY does not recognize restrictions on permitts and treats them as full carry only(except NYC) because they have never heard of this before. Everyone following this?
Now this means that I can LEGALLY carry my gun everywhere in NY EXCEPT where I live, then I am subject to restrictions. This also means that anyone else who lives ANYWHERE besides my county can carry a gun where I live but I cant.
I love this country dearly but it is so f*cked up.
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 23:30:06 (ZULU)
back to the scope.
wolfman
matt wolf <greenscove@hotmail.com>
Mascarene, NB, Canuckland - Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 23:58:11 (ZULU)
This is just too funny. We all know how those who would keep the world safe FOR criminals have basically taken over California. They whine and they cry when ever anything happens with a firearm, always choosing to blame the gun instead of the maggot using it…while also working at every means to “understand” and nurture the malcontent who used the gun in the crime. These wonderful “save-us-from-ourselves” types always jump to the front of the line when ever the word BAN is used and they pride themselves on how often they have abridged true American freedom in the name of some nebulous and impossible dream of public safety. So, here I am, looking at my latest Century Arms catalog when my eyes fall on the oddest of oddball rifles. Its an AK-47 variant that has been turned into a PUMP Action rifle.
Why would you bastardize a perfectly good semi-auto like this? At first I thought, "man, this is just as ignorant looking a thing as can be." Why would anyone buy it? Why of course! To slip it by the morons who call themselves your intellectual superiors in the Peoples Republic of California. It dawned on me that is was a perfect way to shove the freedom of choice right under the noses of the very people who pontificated so rabidly against the “evil” semi-auto rifle. While I hate that someone actually had to produce the thing, and while I would never buy one myself -- after all, you could not get me to move to CA short of killing me and dragging my rancid body there -- I simply had to laugh my slowly aging ass off at the thought of these high and mighty maggots gasping in shock when they see the very thing that caused them so many nightmares, coming back into their state. I mean, lets get real, anyone with any kind of skill at all can operate a pump action almost as fast as a semi-auto. So really, what’s the difference? I hope every gun owner in CA buys one. For no other reason than to make these people turn in their collective political graves…but of course, they will just ban the things as soon as they figure out it…but it will be a good laugh for a time.
That is all. I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
Scott <powers1@voicenet.com>
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 00:02:13 (ZULU)
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 00:08:50 (ZULU)
Wolfman,
Master Bowcher typed me into the straight behind the rifle position. I fought the hell out of it but now I see the value in it and try my best to do it all the time. It WILL get you back on target quicker, it shows less of you when someone is trying to peek-a-boo you during a stalk, and will help your neck from getting that cocked over look after shooting all afternoon. Like I say, I haven't quite got there yet but am on the way.
Raining, hot damn! Bolt out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
Garden plowed and ready to plant in, NC, - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 00:19:12 (ZULU)
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 00:22:06 (ZULU)
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Wolfman...
The advantage of "Sniper prone" is that when the rifle recoils off the bipod, it tends to drop back down where it was because you are in a straight line... "match prone" causes the rifle to hop over to the right, or if you don't have a good hold, the stock to slip off to the right... and then you have to horse it back over to the target. Sniper prone takes a little getting used to, but it workie real good.
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I think god invented "Ex wives" to torment men for their youthful indiscretions :((
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 01:41:11 (ZULU)
Also, had another US Optics scope with bad turrets. 20 minutes up gave 17" at 100, 12 minutes left got you 10.5". Comming back down got back to zero, but right 12 got you 5". I went 12 more right, then back to zero and was once again back to zero. Needless to say the owner was less than pleased. I've yet to see one of these monsters that actually works, although with a good polar or EQ mount it might make for a nice astronomical telescope.
The two 20" bbl Remmy's worked out OK in PR2, making consistent hits at 800 using 168gr Fed Match.
Cory Trapp
Cory Trapp <Cory_Trapp@email.msn.com>
Paulden, AZ, USA - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 02:03:09 (ZULU)
Any of you Hawgs here from Jefe lately. Last time he posted he was wanting to know about RPG's coming through the roof of a trailer. Hope all is well in the hell that he's workin' in. Gods speed man.
Cory,
Sounds like a damn good time out there. Did you take the 20"er's out past 800, and were they factory pipes or hand rolled? I'd love to see a list of what has failed, and worked at PR classes and comps over the last few years. Bet it would make damn interesting reading, and may change some of the preceptions guys like me(newbies) have concerning what we "NEED" and dont need.
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 02:11:21 (ZULU)
The Garand has a one piece rod. The load I am using is 42.0gr Varget and a 175 SMK to top it off. I am a leftie and so I want something like that McCann gas regulator to keep the brass from denting my skull so deep.lol
Semper Fi!
Bad Karma
Bad Karma <jwhiteii56@hotmail.com>
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 02:12:33 (ZULU)
Bob Tussey (the smith who worked the Garand) is out of Carson City.
Semper Fi!!
Bad Karma
Bad Karma <jwhiteii56@hotmail.com>
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 02:16:32 (ZULU)
Raffle Rules - Sounds like you want to run the raffle until you SELL AT LEAST 200 TICKETS AND ALSO KEEP IT OPEN FOR ONE WEEK (Sunday to Sunday).
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..................
Nope. I think I gots it figgered out.
Moe
Moe Mensale <mjmensale@aol.com>
Boca Raton, FL, US of A - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 02:33:15 (ZULU)
I dont know what has changed in NY but when I got my permit in '85 I waited 10 months to get mine after endless paperwork and over $100 in fees. I was REQUIRED to qualify at a pistol range and pass a safety course. On an ol' 6" .38. 3 sets of fingerprints. Conn.'s took me 2 weeks to get the town of Greenwich and 2 weeks more to get the state. Never had to qualify or anything, the fingerprinting was done between the hours 2-4 every other day. Just walk in. Came in the mail right on time.
After living here in Illinois NY was a walk in the park.
Wolfman,
back to what scope? Are we talking scopes again?
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 02:52:14 (ZULU)
Just a quick one...
Getting ready to rain. Darn. During lunch break from our LE class I took my Luppie 20X out of the trunk and was glassing the surrounding terrain for tragets, ranging, and doing a crude range card. Great opportunity, except I couldn't have my rifle on the property. We were in sight of Santiam and OSCI correctional institutions. Inmates providing great movers at 200 to 600 yards. Correctional Captain asked me what I was doing, so I told him. Seems there is an opening on TERT(Tactical Emergency Response Team). Have to be off my one year probation first, though. May be fun to go for it...
Great course, but will be glad to get back to real work. How is it that you can get ass draggin' tired sitting in class all day long?
Semper Fi,
Wes
Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 03:02:46 (ZULU)
The main problem you are probably having is that when you change over to the more inline style of prone your head/cheek move back a bunch on the stock. Sophomoric instructors often forget this point and you end up straining your neck to get eye relief.
Move the scope back or take out some stock spacers if you have them to reestablish your eye relief.
Another posible solution often ignored by inexperienced instructors is to try the cocked leg prone. SOmetimes the inline position creates a strain in the small of the back which can be avoided by cocking the strongside leg a little and turning the weakside foot inboard. You are still inline with the gun but its a little more comfortable. Dont over cock the leg just cock it enough to relax the back and get the diaphram and sternum off the deck a little.
Who can tell me why getting the sternum and diaphram off the deck is important? "Beuler, Beuler?"
Dope it, shoot it, whatever......
Out
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 03:13:59 (ZULU)
>>>>>>>>>I have an AR-50, and the B&L 10x Tac is in Barrett adjustable mounts, so the whole 145 moa of up is available... should take it out to 2,700 meters. I'm taking it to the Ft. Drum match this July 4th... they have targets at 1,800 meters, and Tony White (of Barrett) says they aren't too hard to hit (HA!)<<<<<<<<<<<<
Not one to start a 50BMG thread but I've been wanting one for some time now. From what I read, the AR-50 has the least felt recoil of most .50s but hell-for-heavy (no mystery there I suppose) but not something to go off for a long walk in the woods....but then again most aren't.
There's one out there now that sure has my attention and its called the Ferret50. It requires your AR15 lower, so you're not out quite the money like the other 50s and it doesn't have to be registered because all you're ordering is basically an upper. Barrel lengths come in 18, 29, and 36 and made by Lothar Walther in a 1:15 twist. If there's anyone out there with experience with the Ferret50 (ferret50.com), I'd like to hear about it.
While I'm on the subject, if you havent' seen TREMORS 3 (the movie) you've got to see it! ROTFLMAO Hilarious. Lots of interesting weapons in the movie. The best quote in the show is when Burt tells a couple of government guys to go do what they do best....find something simple and complicate the hell out of it.
>>>>>>>>>All... and I mean ALL of the B&L 10x tacs were excellent... the optics are much better (it's easy to see with your own eyes) than anything Leupold ever thought up in a wet dream! The elevation/windage adjustments are the very best in the business, knobs the size of golfballs, and you can read the dials from 4 feet away... at dusk! The best example of the scope makers art that I have ever owned, or seen, including "you know who!"<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gee Lito, tell me what you really think. LOL. And to think I let one of those slip through my hands not too very long ago. Just didn't know that much about the B&L Tactical (that's BTW no longer made)and the price seemed a bit steep for a used scope. I guess maybe not.
>>>>>>>>>At no time were there any changes, or lowering of quality. I have 3, and another Rosterfairian has SIX!!! Sombitch, no wonder there ain't none around.<<<<<<<<<
Anybody here want to sell theirs? Remember, I asked first :-)
>>>>>>>>Ya' think I like 'em? ;))<<<<<<<<
I think you like them :))
Mark W (Jalapeno)
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Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Anybody want to sell their 10X B&L Tactical?, Texas, - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 03:18:35 (ZULU)
As of this evening, we've registered 246 tickets. We have met the ticket sales number of at least 200 tickets.
Therefore - THE RAFFLE TICKET SALES WILL CLOSE AT 22:00 ZULU 12-MAY-2002 (THAT WOULD BE SUNDAY). You can still register for tickets until then.
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice and cool, Northern Va., USA - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 03:34:12 (ZULU)
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/showad.html?promo_code=WX2&item_id=50863&dc_id=74
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 03:36:22 (ZULU)
Miracle check,
Anybody heard of or personally recieved a rifle from TBA lately?
Christ man I could have had 3 Chandlers or countless GA Precision rifles by now.
Tim <Rokchukrslave@aol.com>
Portland, OR, Yes it's true, 39 months - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 03:41:33 (ZULU)
After careful deliberation I chose reloading!
So which press should I get. A starter set type of set up would be a welcome adition to the cool tips section!!
I seem to remember forster dies were recomended earlier this year?
Of course varget for the riffle (.308) but what powder for pistola?
Brass, boolets,powder, primers, and stuff have been done to death but whats the dope on hardware...presses, scales,dies etc.
Please help I don't want to buy this stuff but once ; )
Thanks guys,
4i's
4i's <mikelsam@cox-internet.com>
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 03:43:01 (ZULU)
I will be shooting a Ferret on Sunday. I'll let you know how it goes. If you want I'll give the guy your e-mail and he can answer some of your questions. Plus Dave from TeamFerret will also be happy to help.
Tomorrow I'm taking my PSS 300WM out to test some loads. I'm using Rem. brass, 200gr Sierra Match King HPBT, Winchester standard large rifle primers and H4831SC powder. I've seated the bullets .015 off the lands. Powder loads will be 66, 68, 70, 72, 74 and 76. Max load is supposed to be 73.5 but that was a compressed load. To get the bullet out to the lands I've left myself with .125 gap between bullet and powder at 73.5gr. However, I'll look for signs of overpressure as I built up to the 76gr. Maybe I won't even get to shoot the 76gr. I'm a newbie with the 300WM any suggestions? Dave C.
Dave C. <cj7@dnaco.net>
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 04:22:44 (ZULU)
That's easy:
Pressure against the sternum and diaphram =
reduced intercostal muscle activity
reduced tidal volume intake
reduced PAO2, increased PACO2
body becomes acidic, alkalosis reduced
PH level drops to below 7.35
Mark W (Jalapeno)
Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Anybody want to sell their 10X B&L Tactical?, Texas, - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 04:39:16 (ZULU)
Scott Chapman <schapman@myrealbox.com>
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 05:10:22 (ZULU)
Mark W: tremors 3 was a HOOT! Laughed all through it, and had to pause it several times to explain to my girlfriend WHY it was so humorous LOL! Having a Lady that doesn't count off for such things is great.
Mr. Wolf: listen to the good advice of Mr. Gooch, the Catshooter, and Bolt. It was rather difficult for me to transition my prone position myself, and I had what I consider to be a rather good instructor. Along the same lines as what you said, your NPOA goes away for a while. Later on, you catch up to it. As was already mentioned, your equipment sometimes has to change. In my case, the adjustable LOP stock helped. After things solidify for you in the new position, repeat shots come amazingly fast.
Mr. Gooch: may I take a stab at your question? How about "breathing".
Bad Karma: you've got a good-builder built Garand there. He's got a name in the industry, and from what I've seen, does a completely aestetically pleasing job as well. I have absolutely no experience with the McCann gas regulator, but can say that there is no way you will damage any Garand with anything approximating a proper load in 308 Winchester. Mr. Rogers is completely correct in my experience.
Mr. Trapp: interesting coordinates on that USO! Your post illustrates wonderfully what I've been saying for the last several years: Springfield Armory has decided that Remington could be overtaken in quality control. They've become no better than the Stren specials in my book.
Marco: my sincere condolences. It's an odd concept to me, having a worthy politician, so I have some comprehension of your feelings on the matter. May your fruitcake be fried.
I'll be taking the short trip to McMillan soon, to fondle the Winchester Marksman, Baker Special, and possibly even the A2. Nothing like hands-on experience, and the great people at McMillan not only invited me, but confirmed that they would have everything there for me to play with prior to ordering. Endorsement of product (not my first).
Jaeger <Jaegerspotter@yahoo.com>
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 05:11:17 (ZULU)
Those broken mounts and generally fallin apart stuff is pretty common among rifle get shot a lot. Closet guns don't show that up much but the bigger the round the more trouble you have with stuff that gets shot more than 12 times a sunday. This is one of the reasons the .308 endures so long. There's recoil there but it don't tear stuff up as a regular matter or course. Sure there's stuff that will stand it but when you get to big stuff use real tough equipment like fixed power Leupolds and Those B&L jobs. You got to have good screws and still you'll have lots of trouble.
Bigger the bang the more barrels you use, the more scopes you break and the more mounts you knock loose.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 05:59:19 (ZULU)
Wes, they bend the rules if you get to know the right folks. At least they do at San Antonio PD.
Gunna pick up my son's Winnie Stealth in the morning. My buddy ordered it and got it the next day. Dang gunna spend a butt load in this long range stuff.
Oh, on a side note. If any of you guys are putting off retirement. I have decided i'm going to retire as soon as humanly possible. I had a coworker in good shape retire two years ago die of a heart attack. He was lean and fit. He retired from the PD and went to work for a local county road department. He was sitting in church on Sunday and started felling bad and told his wife he had to go home. Several hours later told his wife you got to take me to the Hospital, he never made it. Take care Smitty, you will be missed.
Gunna up my retirement investments.
Dirty Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
You know my Crono was sitting there before that last shot. Wonder where it went.?.San Antonio, Texas, USA - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 06:45:24 (ZULU)
example of AR's check piece.
http://www.uws.com/CHEROKEE/HomePage.html
Thanks for the help.
Todd <thkoehler@earthlink.net>
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 08:03:22 (ZULU)
Sniff.
Sniff <akh805@actrix.co.nz>
a, New Zealand - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 10:55:12 (ZULU)
But you are wright, most of my beautifull country is as flat as a titless stripper.
But since i am gonna go hunting with that Brittish skippy-killer, (Pete L) in Scotland, and hopefully more than once, i'd figured it might be a usefull item!
Hopefully i'll be over your side of the pond again in 2003, this year is unfortenately not feasible, due to education.
Untill then i'll keep training, cause next Carlos shoot, i'll be bringing along my own stick, trying to beat Team Mussack aswell as Rob01, Lito and Jim!
(looked like you and Andy had lotsa fun on the A-match)
Duman, Jeager, Steve,
Thanks, it is indeed a sad day, although i am not in favour of deathpenalty's, in this case i would not mind seeing him hang.
Only thing i dispise now, is to see how those extreme rightwing basterds, (the skinheads nazi unintelligent asswipes) use this good politicians dead as an excuse to let our country hear of there stupid ignorant notions by marching in his name. This is not was he was about.
Pete L,
the gun the schmuck used was a 9 mm pistol, but still not sure if it was an illegal fire-arm or a licensed one.
O, and my Sako is black, did not think the green colour was worth the 300 extra Euro's it costs.
Got the excelent muzzle-break though, and the Sako quick-detach mount with Sako rings.
And about reloading, go get your license, it will be worht it!
Been doing it since 1994, and althoug it is not much cheaper than factory ammo (overhere), my handloads are surely alot more accurate, it will improve your accuracy by 50%.
Pim Fortuyn will be deerly missed.
Today, during the funeral of Pim, other politicians recieved a death-threat letter with 9mm bullets inside of them...guess the story ain't over yet.
Marco.
Marco <fwebel@wanadoo.nl>
NL - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 12:26:55 (ZULU)
Reloading is the only hobby I have that hasn't turned into a business, yet. It also has several others virtues, " honey I can't right now I've got powder open and the humidity is high" " In a minute - I can't leave this primered brass open." " Would you please call a girlfriend and discuss that, I need to concentrate while weighing this powder" Last night a friend, in need of comfort, came by. By the time he left, he had completely reloaded over 150 rds. of .223 and was relaxed. Much cheaper than a half hour on the couch and more productive.
John
john <acehighbmg@mindspring.com>
B'town, IN, USA - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 12:56:11 (ZULU)
john <acehighbmg@mindspring.com>
B'town, IN, USA - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 13:38:21 (ZULU)
Chase Temple <istu9946@selu.edu>
Hammond, LA, USA - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 14:19:57 (ZULU)
Sniper Detector:
http://www.llnl.gov/remoteTEST/01new.html
T. Mead <timmead@teleweb.net>
Up-North-Michigan, USAhttp://www.llnl.gov/remoteTEST/01new.html - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 14:52:05 (ZULU)
Actually there are a couple of reasons for getting the sternum off the deck.
If you've ever had to shoot under a little stress you've probably noticed a little pulse beat in the scope. Those litle reticle blips that coincide with your heartbeat. By getting the sternum off the deck you can reduce this.
Breathing is controled and the cocked leg doesnt really have much to do with it.
Also, if you tend to be a bit portly cocking the leg makes things a lot more comfortable.
Out here
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 14:56:42 (ZULU)
I can only offer insight on an old RCBS Rockchucker single stage press. It was my grandfathers press and works great to this day. Since I am anal about my powder weight and weigh each charge, I do not have much use for a progressive. Since you asked about handgun powder I am assuming you will be reloading for them as well. In that case I would recommend a progressive of some sort since one generally doesn't weigh each charge for handgun ammo. You'll also be able to single load with it if you want for rifle ammo. I'll say again what Jaeger said, get the best you can afford. I'm happy with my single stage but I am a humble man with it. ;) For progressives I understand that Dillon is up there in quality, but once again I have no experience with it. Keep searching and asking opinions and you'll find one that suits your needs. Hope that helps.
Nick
Nicholas Gebhardt <gebhardt02@yahoo.com>
Memphis, TN, US - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 14:58:52 (ZULU)
Keeping your gut off the ground allows your descending aorta to expand and contract without lifting your belly up and down on the ground, thus, less pulse translated into the scope...
breathing is also not transmitted to the scope as much...
a big gut can make this virtually impossible to avoid, as you don't want to shove your ass 2 feet in the air to draw your gut off the ground...the diaphram has to push your guts someplace.
Marco... 2003, Carlos match - practice hard - the .260 AR10 is running well these days.
Jim Mitchell <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 15:31:35 (ZULU)
Start out simple. Now that doesn't mean that it will necessarily cost less, your equipment decisions will determine the cost, but you will have less things to think about when starting. Reloading is really a simple process but mess up one of the steps and you could get yourself or others in dangerous trouble!
A good single stage press, a set of dies from one of the major companies (come to think of it are there any non-major companies?), a balance scale, powder measure, funnel, lube and neck brush, primer tray, loading block, and a loading manual. A single stage setup forces you to go through the process one step at a time and in the beginning will hopefully keep you from making a mistake. The mistake I am thinking of deals with double charges of powder. Not as likely with rifle cases but easy to do with pistol cartridges and fast burning powders like Bullseye. A double charge here could destroy your day in more ways than one.
I guess you have to have an exception so mine is that if you are going to be doing a lot of pistol or rifle shooting then progressive press is the way to go and Dillion 550B gets my vote.
From my experience you won't buy just one setup just like you probably own more than one gun!
Catch me with off-line e-mail to save space and stop from putting other to sleep with my ramblings.
Byron <byburnham@earthlink.net>
CA, USA - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 15:42:37 (ZULU)
Nick Anzano <nanzano@mindspring.com>
Milton, NJ, USA - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 15:59:44 (ZULU)
I would NOT recomend the Dillon 550 for a beginner... it is a semi-progressive, meaning that the cases aren't moved forward automatically... it is very easy to throw a double charge on a 550 (or a "NO" charge), and with pistol calibers, you won't know it until it's too late.
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Nick... I have two of the Hornady progressives, and they are very good.
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 16:15:25 (ZULU)
I would have to agree with you here. When I bought my Dillion it was one of if not the quickest caliber conversion presses around. Since Hornady came out with their Lock-N-Load design coupled with the automatic indexing they may have the edge.
Damn....now I have to consider buying another press...hurt me!
Byron <byburnham@earthlink.net>
CA, USA - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 16:41:50 (ZULU)
On the prone position. I primarily teach the old "body on line with the barrel" position. If a student has problems with that, we work around it. The cocked leg normally does the trick.
I also tell them in the real world you will seldom get to use it, cause the buttholes out there don't always cut the grass like they do on the range. You just modify and adapt as needed, trying to keep as much body allinement as possile.
My opinion,
Semper Fi,
Finger
jim reifinger <ironhawk308@ec.rr.com>
Jacksonville, NC, CSA - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 17:28:33 (ZULU)
That's why I bought the 550 at the time (plus it was from an estate sale, and came with a ton of other stuff, so the press was real cheap).
I'll probably sell it, along with the accessaries, cuz it only has four stations, and I need more, cuz I use a stepping die... and I have the hots for one of the new Dillon Super 1050's.
I thought it would be nice to take on a P-Dog shoot, and be able to reload out there... but I have decided that my vacation time (what vacation time??) is too valuable to reload on, so for the next trip, I'll take all loaded ammo, and drink beers an night.
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WD-40...
We have discussed this here before, but this is for the FNG's:
KEEP THAT SHIT OFF OF YOUR GUNS AND SHOOTING/RELOADING STUFF... OK?
When WD-40 first came out, it was touted as THE GREATEST gun oil, and preservative... and I bought the line, and used it on all my stuff.
HA!... Double HA! My first problem came with an auto pistol I carried, and I had soaked it in WD-40, so body sweat wouldn't eat it up. I went to shoot it at a range, and all I got was a faint "click" from my main self defence pistol... WTF?? I striped it down, and the insides were coated with a browm stuff that looked like dried maple syrup. The gun was usless. It took several days of soaking in paint thinner to loosen it up, and it still had to be scrubbed with a toothbrush to get the last of it.
This stuff is toxic. WD-40 is NOT a lubricant (and is no longer advertized that way)... it is a thick, sticky stuff that is desolved in a solvent, and when the solvent dries up, it oxidizes, and turns into a brown glue!
Reason this is coming up now... is that I unpacked a PD riffle today that I haven't shot in 22 years. A 40-XBBR in .222 Mag, with a Unertl 2" Ultra-Varmint, and 2 ounce trigger, in a stock that I did myself... a really beautiful rifle. Everything had to be soaked in mineral spirits, and then taken apart and scrubbed... the trigger was glued together, the bolt was gooked up solid, the spring on the scope was gooked, and the scope wouldn't return to battery, and the scope focusing rings were bound up tight... all because of WD-40.
It's all like new now, but it's taken 7 hours of cleaning with mineral spirits, toothbrushes, and tools to take the bolt down :((
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 17:30:16 (ZULU)
Question for those of you that have the TRGT Data book. Just got mine yesterday and am quite impressed with it. Tons of great info to go along with all the pages for entries. Now my questions. Regarding the cold bore info, should this be used for only that first round down range beginning a range session? Or could it be used also if you take an extended break of say an hour or more? (Clean/Fouled bore) Next, the Zero data. Should I just annotate say +1 or -1 for instance to indicate change in elevation or windage to get shots on zero? Or would this be to note change in elevation/windage from normal adjustments? Hopefully I'm clear enough on these questions. All help welcomed.
Nick
Nicholas Gebhardt <gebhardt02@yahoo.com>
Memphis, TN, US - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 17:41:31 (ZULU)
Damn Jim....
I knew if anybody was going to catch me it would be you. Actually no, there was someone else....a famous lurker. Caught me right in the middle of a brain fart. LOL. I was thinking of PACO2 which is normally 35-40 TORR.
Normal human PH is actually between 7.35-7.45...FWIW. <GRIN>
Gooch: You are right about planting soil. Human anatomy and soil PH values are very much the same. Which BTW, I need to get my garden planted along with lots of JALAPENOS, serranos, habaneras, chili piquings, etc...... The ASS BLASTERS in TREMORS 3 (the movie) have nothing going for them that the fuel from these little incendiaries will give you. LOL <OUCH> If any of you haven't seen this yet, go buy the movie. NUFF SAID.
Ken: When's the drawing? I need to get with my FFL dealer so I can get things lined up for shipping :-))
Mark W (I LOVE Jalapenos...my kids are even worse)
Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Anybody want to sell their 10X B&L Tactical?, Texas, - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 19:02:16 (ZULU)
FWIW I am more comfortable in a high prone position straight back from the rifle like Gooch taught me at my first school years ago.
I prefer this higher prone because it creates more of a pocket in my shoulder and gets the recoil off my collar bone. I've also discovered that the very low prone won't let you shoot over small knolls or weeds.
To help me I carry a "thermo-rest" style hunter's seat in my kit. I over inflate this seat and put it under my chest. I get so comfortable I can fall asleep on the gun. I can relax my neck and back using this method and there is very little fatigue.
out
Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 20:25:43 (ZULU)
Marco, i could have sworn the Sako's where same price black or green, but I guess you'll cammo it up any way, and you will definately use that ACI in SCotland, you got mildots in that NXS? and have you got the mildotmaster? Accuracy is exactly the reason I haven't started reloading, each and every rifle I own shoots better than I can with factory ammo, a ragged hole is a ragged hole, I was figuring on maybe shooting more for the same price, and that seems to be what happens, now you guys have gotten me all confused with this reloading stuff, maybe i should do this reloading course (or buy a good manual) Ive toyed with the idead for years but never realy shown more interest than that. I only want to reload rifle ammo.
And if you look into the politics of rightwing extreemists, like Torsten said, they ain't realy right wing, they are so far left it almost appears to be right, nazi is socialist, socialist is LEFT.
Chris, them boots look like German jump boots, maybe Torsten has a source.I binned the set I had because they let water in but they where 92 vintage, they have been improved since.and I'll see what I can find.
Leica 1200 for $400 is a bloody good price, whats every one else paying for one in the US?
Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 22:50:28 (ZULU)
It says right on the can "firearms"
When I have an auto jam up on the range, spray the shit out of it and good as new, cleans and everything.
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 23:25:22 (ZULU)
Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Friday, May 10, 2002, at 23:30:39 (ZULU)
out
G.W
Gavan Willis <gwillis@simplex.net.au>
- Friday, May 10, 2002, at 23:42:47 (ZULU)
I saw that the ad said Austrian, but I don't remember seeing any of those boots when I was in Germany, and I don't realy trust what they advertise here, as they'll say that those are Zimbabway Astronaut boots if they think they'll sell faster. I'm just covering my bases and hitting up you chaps around the globe to try and locate a pair.
Undude, you have mail.
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 00:14:39 (ZULU)
Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 01:40:00 (ZULU)
We're at 250 tix registered. The drawing will close promptly at
12-May-2002 22:00 ZULU. I won't call for payments until the date the drawing closes - however - you can go ahead and send your payment if you want. As soon as all the payments are in -we'll have the drawing.
thanks,
Ken :)
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice and cool, Northern Va., USA - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 02:14:09 (ZULU)
We've been going over employment of the M249, and M240G. When firing grazing fire, your rounds will hit the deck around 600 meters out. My question is, when you are firing in the danger zone how far will the rounds go before hitting the deck? Shoot a 7.62 so it doesn't get any higher than one meter, and it goes 600 meters. If you shot so that it can go no higher than 1.8 meters, how much farther will it fly?
Thanks for your help!
Semper Fi,
Lt Jarr, USMC
Lt Jarr <pdjarr@yahoo.com>
Quantico, VA, USA - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 02:30:09 (ZULU)
Mike <offroad_z71@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 02:30:12 (ZULU)
wolfgang7 <duncan_wolfgang7@yahoo.com>
- Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 03:04:15 (ZULU)
This ones a bit long
Has anyone seen this yet?
In a perfect world huh?
Congressman Too Truthful
by: Congressman Ron Paul - House of Representatives
203 Cannon - Washington D.C. 20515
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The other day, I made a huge "gaffe" on national TV: I told the truth about the crimes of the U.S. Government.
As you can imagine, the ceiling fell in, and a couple of walls too. Congressmen are supposed to support the government, I was told. Oh, it's okay to criticize around edges, but there are certain subjects a member of the House of Representatives is not supposed to bring up. But I touched the real "third rail" of American politics, and the sparks sure flew.
I was interviewed on C-SPAN's morning "Washington Journal," and I used the opportunity, as I do all such media appearances, to point out how many of our liberties have been stolen by the federal government. We must take them back. The Constitution, after all, has a very limited role for Washington, D.C.
If we stuck to the Constitution as written, we would have: no federal meddling in our schools; no Federal Reserve; no U. S. membership in the U.N.; no gun control; and no foreign aid. We would have no welfare for big corporations, or the "poor"; No American troops in 100 foreign countries; no Nafta, GATT, or "fast-track"; no arrogant federal judges usurping states rights; no attacks on private property; and no income tax. We can get rid of most of the cabinet departments, most of the agencies, and most of the budget. The government would be small, frugal, and limited.
That system is called Liberty. It's what the Founding Fathers gave us. Under liberty, we built the greatest, freest, most prosperous, most decent country on earth. It's no coincidence that the monstrous growth of the federal government has been accompanied by a sickening decline in living standards and moral standards. The feds want us to be hamsters on a tread mill working hard, all day long, to pay high taxes, but otherwise entirely docile and controlled. The huge, expensive, and out-of control leviathan that we call the federal government wants to run every single aspect of our lives.
Well, I'm sorry, but that's not America. It's not what the Founders gave us. It's not the country you believe in. It's not the country I believe in. So, on that TV interview, I emphasized not only the attacks on our property, but also the decline of our civil liberties, at the hands of the federal police. There's not supposed to be any federal police, according to the Constitution.
Then I really went over the line. I talked about the Waco massacre. Bill Clinton and Janet Reno claimed those 81 church members including 19 children, burned down thier own Church, killed themselves, and good riddance. So they put a few survivors on trial, and threw them in prison for 40 years.
We're not supposed to remember that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms--talk about an unconstitutional agency--rather than arrest David Koresh on his regular morning jog, called in the TV stations for a big publicity bonanza, and sent a swat team in black masks and black uniforms to break down his front door, guns blazing. They also sent in a helicopter gun ship, to shoot the roof of a church full of innocents.
The Branch Davidians resisted, and after a heartless siege of almost two months, and after cutting off food, water, electricity, and playing horrible rock and roll through huge speakers 24 hours a day, the Feds sent in tanks to crush the walls of the church, and inject poisonous CS gas.
Now, CS gas is banned and under the Paris Convention on Chemical Warfare. The U.S. could not use it in war. But it could and did use it against American civilians.
After the tanks did their work on the church, the place burst into flames, and all 81 people--men, women, children, and babies--were incinerated in a screaming horror. Did some feds set the fire? Did the flammable CS gas ignite, since without electricity, the parishioners were using lanterns? Did a tank knock over a lantern, striking one of the bales of hay being used against the thin walls as a defense against bullets? Or did the Davidians, as Clinton and Reno claim, kill themselves?
A new documentary- -Waco: Rules of Engagement--may show, throughout FLIR infrared photography, FBI snipers killing the Davidians by shooting through the back of the church, where no media cameras were allowed. This film won a prize at the Sundance Film Festival. It was made by people who took government's side, until they investigated.
Whatever the truth, there's no question that an irresponsible federal government has innocent blood on its hands, and not only from Waco. And the refusal of corrupt perverse liberals to admit it means nothing.
It my interview, in answer to a caller's question, I pointed out that Waco, in the federal murders at Ruby Ridge'--especially the FBI snipers shot that blast apart the head of the young mother holding her baby caused many Americans to live in fear of federal power. Then uttered the sentiment that caused the media hysteria: I said that a lot of Americans fear that they too might be attacked by federal swat teams for exercising their constitutional rights, or merely for wanting to be left alone.
Whoa! You've never seen anything like it. For days, in an all-out assault, I was attacked by Democrats, unions, big business, establishment Republicans, and of course the media, in Washington in my home state of Texas. Newspapers foamed at the mouth, calling me a "right-wing extremist". (Say, isn't that what George III called Thomas Jefferson?)
I was even blamed for the Oklahoma City bombing! And by the way, I don't believe we've gotten the full truth on that either. All my many opponents were outraged that a congressman would criticize big government. "If you don't like Washington, resign!" said a typical big-city newspaper editorial.
But the media, as usual, were all wet. (Do they ever get anything right?) The average Congressman may go to Washington to wallow in power, and line his pockets with a big lobbying job for a special interest (so he can get keep ripping-off the taxpayers). But that's not why I'm in Congress. It's not why I left my medical practice as a physician. It's not why I put up with all of the abuse. It's not why I refuse a plush Congressional pension.
I'm in this fight for reason. I want to hand on to my children and grandchildren, and to you in your family, a great and free America, an America true to her Constitution, an America worthy of her history. I'll not let the crooks and clowns and criminals have their way. I'm in Congress to represent the ideas of Liberty, the ideas that you and I share, for the people of my district, for the people of Texas, for the people of America. That's why I'm working to stop federal abuses, and to cut the government: its taxes, its bureaucrats, its paramilitary police, its spending, its meddling overseas, and every single unconstitutional action it takes. And not with a pair of nail scissors, but with a hammer and chisel. Won't you help me do this work?
Not much of the federal leviathan would be left, if I had my way. But you'd be able to keep the money you earn, your privacy would be secure, your dollar would be sound, your local school would be tops, and your kids wouldn't be sent off to some useless or vicious foreign war to fight for the U.N.. But Jefferson and the other Founders would recognize our government, and our descendants would bless us. By the way, when I say cut taxes, I don't mean fiddle with the code. I mean abolish the income tax and the IRS, and replace them with nothing.
Recently, I asked a famous Republican Committee Chairman--who's always talking about getting rid of the IRS--why engineered a secret $580 million raise for the tax collectors. "They need for their computers," this guy told me. So the IRS can't extract enough from us as it is! The National Taxpayers Unions says I have the highest pro-taxpayer rating in Congressional history, that I am the top "Taxpayer's Best Friend". You know I won't play the Capitol Hill games with the Capitol Hill gang, denouncing the IRS while giving the Gestapo more of your money. Or figuring out some other federal tax for them to squeeze out of you. I also want to abolish the Federal Reserve, and send Alan Greenspan out to get a job.
The value of our dollar in the level of our interest rates are not suppose to be manipulated by a few members of the power elite meeting secretly in a marble palace. The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional, pure and simple. The only constitutional money is gold and silver, not notes redeemable in them. Not fed funny money. Without the Federal Reserve, our money could not be inflated at the behest of big government or big banks. Your income in savings would not lose their value. Just as important, we wouldn't have this endless string of booms and busts, recessions and depressions, with each bust getting worse. They aren't natural to the free market; there caused by the schemers at the Fed. President Andrew Jackson called the 19th centuries Fed " The Monster" because it was a vehicle for inflation and all sorts of special-interest corruption. Let me tell you, things haven't changed a bit. I also work to save our schools from D.C. interference. Thanks to the feds, new curriculums not only smear the Founders as "racist, slave owning elitists," they seek to dumb down all our students so they will all be equal. "Look-say" reading and the abolition of phonics has the same purpose, and so does the new "fuzzy" math, in which there at no right and no wrong answers. That must be what they use in the U.S. Treasury! It's certainly what they use in the U.S. Congress.
But ever since the beginning of federal aid to education and accelerating with the establishment of the rotten Department of Education, SAT scores have been dropping. Schools, with few exceptions, are getting worse every year. To save our kids, we must get the sticky fingers of the feds off our local schools, and let parents rule. That's what the Constitution says, and the Bible too.
And then there's my least favorite topic, the U.N.. World government is obviously unconstitutional. It undermines our country sovereignty in the worst way possible. That's why I want us out of the U.N., and the U.N. itself taking a hike. After all, the U.N. is socialist and corrupt (many votes can be bought with a "blond and a case of Scotch" one U.N. ambassador once said). It costs many billions, and it puts our soldiers in U.N. uniforms under foreign commanders, and sends them off to unconstitutional, undeclared wars. When Michael New, one of the finest young men I've ever met, objected to wearing U.N. blue, he was kicked out of the American Army. What an outrage! Not one dime for the U.N., and not one American soldier! Not Haiti, not in Bosnia, not in Somalia, not in Rwanda. I know its radical, but how about devoting American military efforts to defending America, and only America?
Such ideas, said one newspaper reporter, make me a maverick, who will never go far because he won't go along to get along. Darn right! What does "go far" mean? Get a big government job? To heck with that. And I won't sell my vote for pork either. When I walked through the U.S. Capitol this morning, I got angry. The building is filled with statues and paintings of Jefferson, Madison, and the other Founders. Those great men sacrificed everything to give us a free country, and a Constitution to keep it that way. When I was first elected, I placed my hand on the Bible and swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. That's exactly what I'm fighting for. Such ideas drive the liberals crazy. That's why I badly need your help. I've been targeted nationally for defeat. The Democrats, the AFL-CIO, the teachers union, big business PACs, the trial lawyers, the big bankers, the foreign aid lobbyists, the big media, and the establishment Republicans want to dance on my political grave. The Fed, the Education Department, in the U.N. are anxious to join in. They can't stand even one person telling the truth. And they're terrified when that truth gains the people support.
Right now, four well funded Democrats are competing to try to beat me, and Republican is rumored to have been offered money at a secret meeting in Mexico(!) if he would try to knock me off in a primary. Won't you help me stay up here to fight? Frankly I'm in trouble if you don't. My Texas district has 22,000 square miles (not a misprint). I've got to travel all over it, set up small offices to be manned by volunteers, advertise, pay phone bills, and distribute video and audio tape to the people to get around the big media lies. As I know from my last election, which I won by the skin of my teeth, the media will carry any smear, repeat any libel, throw any piece of mud, no matter how untrue. In fact, the less true, the more they like it. They are determined to silence me. But you can help me overcome all this. Together, we can beat the bad guys arrayed against our country and our freedom. We can support the Constitution. We can win. Your generous contributions of $25 or $50 would be great. $100, $250 , or even $500 or $1000 would be magnificent. Of course, any amount would help, and in return, I will keep you up-to-date on this fight as a member of my "kitchen cabinet". What great men founded this country! What great people have carried on their fight! That fight is not lost, not if you will join in. Washington, D.C. is a loser, but among the people, our ideas are gaining every single day.
Keep the tide turning in our direction. Please make your most generous contribution. Join this fight for the Constitution, and stop those who want to rip it up, and throw it in the Potomac. Together, we can join the Founders fight. Together we can make this history.
Sincerely,
Ron Paul
U.S. Congressman
203 Canon,
Washington D.C. 20515
Committee to Re-elect Ron Paul 837 West Plantation, Clute, TX 77531
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Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 03:22:51 (ZULU)
About 740 yds
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 03:27:25 (ZULU)
You can start sending $$ if you want. The instructions for payments are here: http://aspiringtech.net/raffle/april02/rules.htm#pay
or just click on my name and you'll go to that page. Several payments have already come in. If youn'z want to get a jump on this - then go ahead. When all the tix are paid for - I'll head to the church for the drawing.
I'll announce nightly status from here on out.
thanks hogs....
Ken :)
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice and cool, Northern Va., USA - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 04:24:48 (ZULU)
Just one man's opinion.
ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, CO, USA - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 05:00:59 (ZULU)
Brass – Remington, Primers – Win. LR, Bullets – Sierra 200gr HTBT Match Kings, Power – H4831SC. AOL – 3.505, Bullets set .015 from the lands, Brass trimmed to 2.610.
Group Results Average; Groups were measured at the greatest outside distance minus .308.
66gr - .300
68gr - .625
70gr - .675
72gr - .950
74gr - .850
I shot 5 shot groups, cleaning the bore with Sweats 7.62 and Hoppes #9 after every 5 shots. I started with 66gr and worked up to 74gr. Then I worked from 74gr back to 66gr. I I did have 76gr loaded but the groups were getting bigger so I didn’t bother. It should be noted that even at 74gr there were no signs of over pressure. As you can see the 66gr worked great. Now the question is, where do I go from here? Should I try adjusting the powder in tenths of grains above and below 66gr. Or play with the distance to the lands? Any suggestions? Dave C.
Dave C. <cj7@dnaco.net>
- Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 05:52:03 (ZULU)
Dirty Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 06:27:56 (ZULU)
Dont get your balls in a knot. Just thought it would make for interesting reading.I dont think "shit stories" belong here either but I read three of them and they were funny so why not.
I wasnt looking for a response
Scroll past what you do not want to read.
Im outta' here, loosen up
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 12:00:33 (ZULU)
wolfman
matt wolf <greenscove@hotmail.com>
Mascarene, NB, Canuckland - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 12:47:29 (ZULU)
I would rather read that piece from Ron Paul (the BIGGEST friend gun owners, and free men, have in DC) than a post about someone rolling around in a pound of shit...
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 13:08:14 (ZULU)
You hawgs betta be scanning your machines with norton antivirus.... I received an infected email on the raffle registry email address... which is only been alive for a week.....
Heads up, asses down, stay alert...
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice and cool, Northern Va., USA - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 14:19:07 (ZULU)
Dave C. <cj7@dnaco.net>
- Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 14:45:14 (ZULU)
for prone the SBRM, notched is THE way to fly..........The notched CAN be broken due to material removed from the legs.IF you push into it hard when setting up for shots.....so don't OVER manhandle it.
Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 15:03:29 (ZULU)
The 6x9 swivel is the ONLY way to go... The swivel tension is adjustable so you can set it (on uneven ground) and let the rifle go, and it won't fall over... I have one 9x13 and it is too high, even set for 9"... you will find that you are shooting with your bipod set at 6" about 98% of the time (and sometimes wishing it was a 5"x8").
Get the spring loaded feet (notched) that jump out... they won't break, even if you fall off a cliff, and down 50 feet into a gully (I have the teeshirt!).
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 15:19:18 (ZULU)
Dave C,
If you're going to get a Harris Swivel style bipod, you might also consider the POD-LOC. This is an attachment that's made for the Harris "S" (swivel) style bipods and its name means just what it is...bipod-lock. This little device can lock/unlock the swivel in just seconds with about a 1/4 turn or less. I've got one and wouldn't take for it. I find my position with the swivel loose and once I do...lock it up. The locking lever is spring loaded and can be parked against the stock out of the way.
I got mine from Terry Cross, KMW-Long Range Solutions. Don't know if he has a web site but his email is kmw308@aol.com.
Mark W
Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Anybody want to sell their 10X B&L Tactical?, Texas, - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 17:42:14 (ZULU)
I thought you might like that one.
I guess its a nice thought but not quite possible anymore.
Ah the good ol' days.
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Thanks for the question (Dave) about bi-pods, I was going to ask it next.
Thanks for the answer 'lito, its good enough for me
Lou
Lou <xnycowboy@aol.com>
- Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 17:51:42 (ZULU)
5db <info@accu-shot.com>
Wichita, KS, USofA - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 18:06:44 (ZULU)
I won't try and answer for 'Lito, but my personal expierence with the 6-9 Harris lightweight, non swivel with non notched legs has proven to me that a leg sometimes retract under recoil, and often at an very inopportune time. I still use the bipod, and think it's fine for range work, but I wish it had the security that a notched leg will provide. The legs lock in much more positive and when combined with the ability to swivel and lock the rifle in a true un-canted position, provided the best of both worlds for us that prefer the pod over the pack.
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 18:26:48 (ZULU)
I admire Ron Paul and agree with just about all of the positions that he takes. I've been a fan of his since Sierra Echo turned me on to him a few years ago. It's just a fact that when politics rears its head on this forum it ain't long before the shitstorms start. Then it gets ugly and we lose the sense of purpose that we all came here for.
I don't think that this is a matter of "if you don't like it, just scroll past". I'm not particularly crazy about the shit stories, the sheep-fucking stories, ex old lady stories, and some others, but you'll never hear me complaining about them! I'm too old and been around way too much to be embarrassed, offended, or insulted by anything that shows up here. So let's hear about all of that bullshit if that's what ya want, guys.
Am I alone if feeling that ALL of the above subjects (including politics) are OK if certain people on this forum like or agree with what's being said, but woe be unto those that don't give them just a big ol' atta-boy every time they deign to make a pronouncement? If the climate of the DR has changed that's OK too, but I'd just like to see the header in the opening of the site adjusted to reflect that. Should I just say "Lou, if you don't like this post just scroll by it".
Ain't got nothin' tied in any knots,
ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, CO, USA - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 18:30:16 (ZULU)
Tony V. <longdistancereaper@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 19:01:18 (ZULU)
Great product - use it on all my swivel bipods.
Tony V. <longdistancereaper@hotmail.com>
Denver, - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 19:02:15 (ZULU)
"ULE"... HA!, I damn near had one of those the first time I danced with Suzzy Jenkins in high school ;))
OK... look, if you are hunting woodchucks or target shooting at the range, then the standard model is sorta alright. You have to PULL the leg out against a spring (cuz it want's to jump back in under spring pressure), then finger tighten down a thumb screw to lock it in place. If you are sitting on the ground while you are setting up your kit, it's no big deal, as long as the chuck (or crows) don't see you.
But if you are using your stick on a classical stalk (against an OB, or a watchful chuck/crow), and you creep into position, you will be extending the bipod from behind the rifle, with your left hand. So you drop the legs down, and lay the gun into position, looking through the scope, to see "what it is", and you are too low and need to extend the legs (this is NOT a good time to dig 3" hole into the hard ground, cuz you have the 9"x13"). From this position of being all set up, but too low, it is a real bitch to reach forward, lift the rifle up with your left hand, and then pull out one leg the right amount with your left hand, then tighten the screw with the same hand (without it jumping back in from the spring)... then do the same with the other leg, all while lying flat so you don't get seen. :((( Badd plan. And... if you don't tighten it enuff, it will slide back in (while you are on the scope!), or worse, the screw will loosen from recoil while you are shooting, and your stick will drop down (usually over to one side)... a Very Badd thing in a match... get's you busticated by the target every time, and get's you dead if you are doing it for real!
With the notched bipod... when you are all setup, and you are too low, just reach forward, role the rifle over to one side, and push the button, and the leg pops out THE EXACT RIGHT AMOUNT, and locks in 1 second, then role the rifle over to the other side, and do the same... takes about 4 seconds (with very little movement) to adjust the notched bipod, and it's locked HARD, and can't slip to drop the gun. Plus, when the legs are folded, the buttons are covered by the barrel, so they don't self release "ULR" ;))
Martha Stewart told me... "Notched Bipods are a very good thing!"
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 19:10:24 (ZULU)
I use the 9"-13" Harris Swivel for deer stalking in the UK. I find more often than not that I have the bi-pod fully extended to shoot over grass, tumps, brash etc. The BR version would be next to useless for what I do (I think anyway). May be we got longer grass over here. The swivel feature is a must though.
Jon
Jon Beardsley <jon@sgreadan.fsnet.co.uk>
- Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 19:18:39 (ZULU)
Have i got Mildots...but ofcourse!
And the Mildotmaster, and slope doper, Pathfinder and now even the ACI.
I even prefer the Nightforce mildot reticle over the B&L and the Leupie's, the dots are little open circles with a small dot insight, this helps me alot with more precise range estimation. And the dots are 1/4 mill wide.
About Bipods,
Today another m8 of mine, Marnix, also showed up on the range with a black Sako TRG22. Only without the muzzlebreak and with the Sako bipod.
This bipod, is imho, way better than the Parkerhale and versapod versions, i think i even prefer it over the Harris swivel.
It has notched legs, skids on the end of the legs, and the legs are standing in a very wide angle, which results in a far better sturdy position.
And the turning/ swivel point lays above the barrel.
Have to admit thoug, i have no field experience with them, and i have been using Harris and Parkerhales for years, even the versapods. But my first opinion is that this Sako pod is superb, with only one negative big iffy...i think it will only fit under the TRG's, since it has no universal adapter.
The schmuck, (Marnix) by the way, shot today his rifle for the first time, just out of the box, with a Leupold 6,5-20x50...and behold, he had the nerve to shoot smaller groups than i did!!!
I shot average 5-shot groups of 2 cm's, he shot 5 shot groups with an average of 1cm, no matter what he put in it.
He shot his own loads, 167 grain scenars, my loads of 167 molycoats and my 155 grain scenars, also moly-ed, and all of them were one ragged holes.
The dude can shoot.
But i got a 400 m competition tomorrow, maybe i can end again with the first 10 and shove that up his @SS... ;)
And Pete, i got all 3 europasses now, so i will be shipping them to your house, can you mail me your new adress again?
Cya around,
Marco.
Marco <fwebel@wanadoo.nl>
NL - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 20:13:06 (ZULU)
Pod lock review and Terry's email address!
Farmer Bolt, out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
NC, - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 20:50:35 (ZULU)
When you mention tightening the clamp on the standard bipod, that's what I do. Roll the rifle left/right with right hand while pulling the bipod leg out till close to desired length, then tighten the clamp to cause enough friction to hold. Then "roll" the rifle with slight pressure into the leg that needs less length, all the while keeping left hand on the bipod leg nut to tighten once set. I've never had to operate it under any pressure other than self imposed, and the notch version would have a time advantage. While I've never had a leg retract while shooting I could see where that could happen. Your point is well taken. Thank you.
5db <info@accu-shot.com>
Wichita, KS, USofA - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 21:05:00 (ZULU)
Did you get the email I sent you. Different address to the one on the roster as it is linked to the browser.
All the Best
Jon
Jon Beardsley <jon@sgreadan.fsnet.co.uk>
- Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 22:38:25 (ZULU)
LOL-------------good well thought out rebuttle.
I do not scroll past anything. I am open minded enough to give or TAKE any advise that comes my way. I am new here and
If the tone of this DR needs to be strickly sniping only then so be it.The first time I signed into the forum the talk was of shit stories.This is what I had to go by.
I will post only rifle questions and such.
If it wernt for the shit stories, sheep fucking, and EX ol' ladie stories this would have been a pretty dull forum for the last few days. I did not post that to agree or disagree but meerly to give some interesting reading while no subject in particular was being discussed.
If this is what EVERYONE wants then I guess the mob rules,
sorry guys.
Lou <------------who should probably start his own shit story,sheep fucking, ol' ladie, gun control,neighbor dog shooting, political forum
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 22:42:42 (ZULU)
I did get your e-mail. It's will require a longer responce than I have time for right now, plus I have just cooked up a second batch of 300WM loads, and would like to shoot them before I answer you... maybe this coming Friday (if it don't rain:((
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Lou...
Don't get upset... there's room for a lot of it. If all we talked about was bipods, tactical rifles, and prone positions, this site would dry up and die (we've tried it, and it has)... last year, we were down to 2 to 4 posts a day, even on weekends... but life has a way of rising out of it all... go have a beer (and a sheep) on me ;))
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 23:03:58 (ZULU)
Just replaced my Bushmaster stock trigger with the RRA two stage trigger and it woiks. Need a lot smaller fingers to work the hammer into place though. Went through all the pre-upper safety checks on the little yellow instruction sheet. All the safety checks came out fine. Slapped the new RRA match upper on it and those safety checks did fine also. Will have to go back and read the book on the Turner sling and I'm good to go!
Watch out Sinister, the day of reckoning is upon you! hehehehehe
Gunsmith Bolt, OUT!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
NC, - Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 23:29:23 (ZULU)
I really enjoy or find ammusing the posts on this site. Some are very informative and some you take with a grain of salt (or beer).
But...I like the insite that I get from "most" of the people that post here. There is a vast wealth of knowledge and expierence that you can't find anywhere else. These are my kind of people.
Most of us are adults that know good information from opinion from bull squat. Wheather is political or about ex's (I had one too) or a shit story...did I tell you about the time I sat down in elephant shit while in Nam? The story stinks.
But..........post anything you want, I will start reading it, and if I get bored or I am not interested in the topic, I will skim by....
That is the American way..
I am getting bored with my post.............
Rambosky - OUT
Larry Surretsky <rambovn@aol.com>
Kings Mtn., NC, Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave! - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 00:23:06 (ZULU)
You got bit pretty hard too huh? I thought you were gonna try and use the colt "as is" before you took the plunge into getting all the DCM stuff. Did you end up with 1/2 or 1/4 moa sights? I hear the RRA trigger is second only to the jewell. Was it hard to install? This is my first season also,,,, welcome to the dark side,,, I think you'll like it.
As far as the content of the DR goes. I have learned a great deal here. This site has an ass load of info to be had. That said, so do many others. What makes this site so great, is it's Pub atmosphere. It's friendly, pissy and learn-ed all at the same time. Are shit stories related,,, depends on whether or not your an active operator. Maybe one of the guys reading will look down before he flops and not smearin' shit accross his guille. This might keep him from gettin busted.. who know. You pretty much now by the signature what you're getting when you read the post, but sometimes we all get suprised. I was LMAO at Gooch's story, and still with all the BS managed to learn from it.
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 00:23:25 (ZULU)
Just met up with an obnoxious Cottonmouth on the back porch....fed him some #9 from the Redhawk.....easy on the pavers, hard on the vermin.....to everything there is a season.....milky poison all over the bricks where the bastard was striking at the leaf rake, stinking like hell and not wanting to leave......
Mark Smith <Windinmane@aol.com>
Lake Cormorant, MS, USA - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 00:58:54 (ZULU)
Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 01:34:08 (ZULU)
Actually I prefer GOATS, I leave their horns on to make it easier for someone to hold it still for me. ;)>
Oh-no --- I told a sheep/goat story and its too short to scroll by.
Lou
Dont ya just love a smart ass
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 01:50:26 (ZULU)
I couldnt agree more. I came to this site so I could build a effective sniper rifle on a budjet. Not because I needed one but just because I F'in wanted one.
After hearing everyones opinion I learned quite a lot. I found what I needed but I was strangely attracted to these military men and found I could not leave. Since then I have learned countless other tidbits by listening to the vast array of expertise here. Most of it was inbetween all the amusing stories. If it wern't for these stories I would not have come back and possibly lost out on some VERY valuable information.
I was taught a long time ago that there is something to be learned in every mans words no matter insignificant he may be. Just listen and take from it what you will but LISTEN. You may learn something without even realizing it right away.
I enjoy the shit stories especially guys so keep em comin as long as Im concerned.
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 02:02:46 (ZULU)
Got bit only half hard. Was going to buy one of George's uppers but I just couldn't go that far dollar wise in my advanced age and my lack of experience in these type of matches. If I start shooting better than the RRA can, George will get a call. The trigger wasn't that hard to install, 'IF' I have done it correctly. The biggest problem is keeping the damn hammer from flying out until you get the hammer pin in. I have fat fingers and they just fiddent dit in the slot very well. I got the 1/4 but my eyes are telling me I should have gotten the 1/2. Time will tell.
Never have broken in a stainless barrel, any suggestions?
Bolt out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
NC, - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 02:54:33 (ZULU)
Lito, I had several of the BxL Tacticals and Mike S. had one. First two I had wer very good production scopes the last one I had and the one Mike S. had were not very good. Optics were not very clear.
Saw something on the Tasco SS series. When they first came out I bought one with side parallex. That was a fantasic scope. Friend just had to have one so when he was moving away I gave him mine and bought a new one. It was junk and the five I have owned since have been junk. Quality has gone out the window.
On the Harris bipod. I like the swivel with friction leg locks, no notches because it is weaker on an already weak bipod. As Litto said you tend to use all the way up or all the way down 6-9". The swivel is nice but tighten it with some pliars.
Political views on here? Well it comes up but as long as it is not extreme I could care less. Any anti gov stuff and many of us will go bye bye. Clearences being what they are I stay away from the fringe and extreme. Cant we all talk shooting. Politics stink anyway.
MikeMIller <Tactical@tacticalintervention.com>
CA, - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 03:01:55 (ZULU)
Here's the conclusion I've come to over the past few months. The swivel, leg notch, pod-loc, 9-13" is THE ONE for general field use.
When shooting prone the 6-9" is more comfortable as the 9-13" forces you to raise your shoulder a little higher then normal. However...
The 9-13" bipod has 2 big advantages. First, as said before it gets you over the inevitable ground brush. Unless you're hunting in a dry environment without much brush choose the 9-13" model.
Second, it works great for shooting from the sitting position. Just extended it fully and place the bipod feet on your boots where the laces start. This is a very stable position and allows you to use your weak-hand to push the riflebutt into your shoulder.
florida <bohica999@hotmail.com>
Florida, - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 03:09:18 (ZULU)
We're at 258 tix. Raffle closes tomorrow (sunday) evening at 22:00 zulu. I was told today that the raffle riffle is in an article in the June edition of the Accurate Rifle.
We will be calling for payments tomorrow eveing - however - you can start sending them now if you want. Click on my name for details - or go to: http://aspiringtech.net/raffle/april02/rules.htm#pay
Semper Fi hawgs....
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice and cool, Northern Va., USA - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 03:16:14 (ZULU)
Larry <lwollner@pressenter.com>
- Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 03:33:17 (ZULU)
(Where are you hockeyref??)
Break in a stainless barrel for HP??? Just get a throat measurememnt and shoot it. Keep a good record book of all your shots, and a data book (http://www.centershot.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CSSS&Product_Code=307901 - email me and I'll get you a price and a phone number where you an get one)and get all the dope you can in weather. Check the throat evey 250 or 300 rounds for errosion and adjust your loads accordingly.
It's been working well for me, and though I'm not very good yet, my zero's are dead on at my range and I was looking at being top 5 at the last leg match before my disconnect went tits up and I went to "shit", so to speak.
Make sure you're trigger is 4.5 lbs (They'll weigh it and tape your guard) and have fun... As Two Shoes tells me when I'm stressing,,, "This is supposed to be fun." and 'Litosan says, " Stop being so damn anal!!" (Don't mean to imply you're being anal, but you should all ask him about the Lapua loading instructions ;))
Larry,
Unless Mr. B. Robinson made several extras, you could be SOL...
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 03:46:41 (ZULU)
What caliber rifles are commonly used in what type of competitions?
Dave C.
Dave C. <cj7@dnaco.net>
- Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 04:33:33 (ZULU)
I know the only real answer is to shoot some groups each way and find out, but I thought someone here might have done it before.
Sniff
Sniff <akh805@actrix.co.nz>
Auckland, New Zealand - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 04:41:40 (ZULU)
Marco how does it attach to the stock and i wonder if i can adapt it to fit the AICS.
Im of untill next saturday guys, catch you then, and many thanks for all the reloading tips ive had per email, most usefull.
keep safe. Pete
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
D - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 05:05:17 (ZULU)
The High Power Rifle Division of the Memphis Sport Shooting Association will be holding Egg Shoot matches (real eggs can get messy so we’re using paper targets instead) at 1:00 P.M. at the Norris Range on the dates listed below. The target is a 1 1/2" circle and the range is 600 yards.The entry fee is $5 per cold bore shot with the winner taking the pot. If no one hits the ‘egg’, the money (currently at $65) will be carried over to the next scheduled match. If more than one person hits in the white portion, the person closest to dead center will be declared the winner.
The rules are simple.
1. You must be a current NRA member.
2. You must be club qualified to shoot at 600 yards.
3. Rifle rests, rest bags, bipods, etc., may be used. (No gun vises or portable benches)
4. Barrel temperature must be within two degrees of ambient temperature.
5. Shooting order will be determined by random drawing.
6. All MSSA safety rules must be observed at all times.
Matches are scheduled for 1:00 P.M. on the following dates:
Saturday, May 18 & Saturday, May 25
Sunday, June 9 & Saturday, June 22
Sunday, July 14 & Sunday, July 21
Saturday, August 10 & Saturday, August 24
Saturday, September 14 & Saturday, September 28
The rules may change slightly as we refine the matches.
For details or directions to the club contact:
MEMPHIS SPORT SHOOTING ASSOCIATION, INC.
9428 Old Brownsville Rd., Arlington, Tn 38002
901-867-8277 • (Fax) 901-867-7122
http://memphis-ssa.com
I hope some of you can make it.
jc
jc <jcopelan@midsouth.rr.com>
Cordova, TN, USA - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 05:25:07 (ZULU)
Shit? The biggest Shit story we get into around here is when we start argueing over what should be our proper content.
The only danger I see with Lou's post is that the damn democrats will want equal time to tell us the constitution isn't talking about individual rights and only refers to the three Networks REPORTERS and the National Guard. I know! I know.....right wing%($%&*$&$&BLANKTY BLANK UN HATING%$#@*& BLINKITY DAMN REDNECK!!
EVEN IF YOU HATE YOUR UNCLE YOU CAN'T SAY SO HERE ON SHOOTING SNIPING SHEEP SCOPIN COUNTRY! WE GOT GUYS .... WELL YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT THAT'S ALL! BUT IF A U.S. CONGRESSMAN SAYS SOMETHING.... MAYBE YOU CAN QUOTE HIM! THE PROBLEM SEEMS TO ME IS THAT THE WORLD DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETHING THEY READ HERE DON'T MEAN THAT EVERYONE ON HERE SUBSCRIBES TO IT. WE LIKE LEUPOLD'S VARGET .308'S AND TORSTEN'S SISTER AND BEYOND THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE DISAGREEMENT.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 06:34:22 (ZULU)
I have met Mr. Miller (Undude), Jerry Rice, George Gardner, James Jarrett, Marty Bordson, Bruce Robinson and read about Gooch, Mr. Boucher, Pablito, Jefe, and countless others through this site.
This web site has had great contributory value to my shooting awareness and skill (hopefully). I truly appreciate Bolt's posts about "meat-woman" and "burlap-dog." The anecdotal stories add a level of humanity and "real-worldness" to the subject matter that keeps the interest going.
This site is unique and through the ever-present ups and down has great value for the skilled (and lurking novice) long-range tactical shooters. Please continue the posting, for every post I am certain that there are many silent readers gleaning wisdom from the posts, (even the sheepie ones!)
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 07:26:01 (ZULU)
Sounds to me like everything is running about normal on the "S.C." Country Farm. Reckon we could get a subsidy? :-)
Mark W (Jalapeno)
(BTW, its Jalapeno planting time too)
Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Anybody want to sell their 10X B&L Tactical?, Texas, - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 15:39:44 (ZULU)
http://www.gunnery.net/glossary/
This is REALLY a good one especially for the newbies and lurkers. I have had great fun with this. It has terms, graphics, and some gun history. Definetly worth bookmarking.
Lots of military terms here.
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Also I know Magnum Industries was planning on making a 7MM Mag. Sabot round available in the U.S. Does anyone know if this has happened or if another company has one out ?
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 15:45:47 (ZULU)
Rich S. <RS1441@aol.com>
- Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 18:43:56 (ZULU)
I gots a question on "highpower" (you know, in keeping with shitcountry, ex-country, sheepiecountry and Bolt's Bushmaster country). In my ignorant youth (okay, okay...last year), I sold my Bushmaster. Well, I got the itch again and I "need" one. Now when I got my first one I was living in a gun friendly state and I had access to a plinking range, so naturally I got the 16" version. Well, I'm now living in Eastern California (MD)and I won't be able to plink. I've been curious about getting into highpower as well. Is it best to get a plain "vanilla" Bushie and practice? I'm also thinking about a factory DCM package rifle. How would you guys rate the various factory offerings (BM, ARmalite, Rock River, Olympic)? I don't know for sure if I'm going to officially compete, but if I decide to, it'd be nice to have a riffle that would be up to it. I figger I have about a grand to spend (that complicates the decision that much more), I'm also using the excuse "...honey if I get one of these service band gigs, I'll have to go to basic so I'd like to go in with some experience on the M16..." ;) Whaddaya guys think....vanilla Bushie 20" (and alot of practice), Bushie DCM, Rock River DCM, Armalite DCM? I'm assuming those are all more cost effective than Compass Lake or Arrington? Any ideas would be helpful.
Later guys,
Rich
Rich S. <RS1441@aol.com>
Bal'mer, - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 18:57:12 (ZULU)
"Paper Eggs!"... Aw man, that's like going on a date with a blow up dolly. Use real eggs, the local critters and crows will clean up for youz guys. Paper eggs, jeez! The P.E.T.C * must be on the loose down there
* (People for the Ethical Treatment of Chickens;)
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 19:27:29 (ZULU)
Get in contact with your local Highpower clubs and see who's giving a DCM/CMP clinic and go. That will make you eligable for the CMP programs service rifle discount. You can get that DCM Bushie for $899. If ya don't feel like going through that, you can often find DCM rifles in the $900 thru $1200 range from DPMS, Bushmaster and RRA on sale from distributors/resellers. I'd say all are very good rifle, but RRA probably has the best factory trigger right now.(until you go to compass lake built rifles) You should be able to buy your rifle, sling and a couple 20 round mags for about $1000.
http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Programs/AR15.htm
Marius,
You ever seen one of these? What's your take?
http://www.lynx.co.za/speciality%20scopes.htm
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 19:37:51 (ZULU)
Anyone been to any of the HSS schools?
Got word today of a class they are holding in Vemont(Camp Ethan Allen). Only a one day course but from what the command says it should be high speed. 76 bucks for a counter sniper course.Its the GSG9 Sniper . Anyone with any info drop me a line.
SGT jake
Jake P <para13bp@gsinet.net>
New Hampsha, USA - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 20:25:46 (ZULU)
I received an email from Michael (Mike1000@pacbell.net) today that was just blank, didn't even have an attachment. I know I'm not on his email address book, most likely not in anybodies address book from here. I guess we can add viruscountry to the list along with sheepcountry and goatcountry. Need to do a double check on my puter and make sure it isn't infected. ya'll be safe.
Nick
Nicholas Gebhardt <gebhardt02@yahoo.com>
Memphis, TN, US - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 20:48:47 (ZULU)
Steve
Steve jensen <bonniejrussell@cox.net>
Ramona, California, - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 21:18:08 (ZULU)
Here in Alabama,Mobile County anyway, the only permits they issue are "concealed". You don't need a permit to carry if you're hunting, going to and from a range, etc.
It took me about 25 minutes to get it. I went to the Sheriff's office and filled out an application. They ran a background check through a computer, took a picture, and made the card on the spot.
It cost around $20 and I renew it annually by mail,again around$20. It's good throughout Alabama, but I don't know about anywhere else.
There used to be a long form to fill out and you had to get several references from "upstanding members of your community". Now the Mobile County Sheriff's Office is using technology to do the permits.
I think Sheriff Jack Tillman is probably responsible for the new system. I normally don't speak of politcians, but when one does something to help people rather than hinder them, I will give a good "atta boy".
Also, does anyone know where I can get some info on corporate stands on gun ownership. I would like to buy from companies that don't support "gun control" unlike Hallmark, Levis, etc.
Jody Calhoun <gotrektheslayer@comcast.net>
Saraland, Alabama, USA - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 21:53:38 (ZULU)
I did months of study and worried the hell out of several Rosterferians on the issue of match service riffles. If I hadn't already had 3 AR's (none of which were legal for matches) I would have bought a complete Compass Lake Match first, a RRA match second, a DCM third and finally a Bushmaster. These were my choices in order for an entry level match gun. I would even mess with a standard AR for plinking again, waste of money. A bottom line Bushy costs about $700 so why not put another $300-400 in it and have a good riffle to start with that you won't ever have to mess with or upgrade. If a riffle is good enough to shoot matches, it's also good enough to plink and to use when the aliens invade.
Like I said, if I can ever out shoot this gun, I will invest in a truly custom match gun from one of our fine Rosterferian gun builders. To get one of those, you are looking at between $1500 and up. Like a guy at the last match told me, an X is an X no matter where it lands in the X circle. I just hate putting all the rounds in the same whole anyway, wastes a lot of good target area :)))))
SHEEPIES vs. Goats..........
Get outa here! Once you've had the feel of wool and the sweet baaaaaaaaa's whispered in your ear, you won't ever go back!!!!!!!!!
Farming is a bitch, didn't think that I was ever going to get enough water in this nasty dirt. Sniper mutt is pissed cause I fenced off her favorite corner of the yard also. Bountiful harvest is questionable but the water company is going to start sending me flowers.
Got my new/used Barnet Wildcat III crossbow put together. hehehehehe
Robinhood Bolt out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
NC, - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 21:55:44 (ZULU)
An interesting article on current sniping operations in Israel . . .
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/12/magazine/12IDF.html?pagewanted=all&position=top
John <john@leveron.com>
Mid MO, U.S.A - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 22:40:46 (ZULU)
CEASE FIRE - CEASE FIRE...... THE RIFFLE RAFFLE REGISTRY PHASE IS CLOSED.....
WE ENDED UP WITH 261 TIX SOLD. Dang - George Gardner's gonna get a big head over this one :))
WE ARE NOW IN THE 'SEND YO MONEY PHASE'. I willl be transmitting an email announcment to all those that registered for tickets.
PLEASE TAKE A MINUTE AND DO THE PAYPAL THING - OR CUT THAT CHECK OR MONEY ORDER AND GET IT INTO SNAIL MAIL. AS SOON AS ALL PAYMENTS ARE RECEIVED - WE'LL HAVE THE DRAWING...
PLEASE CLICK ON MY NAME FOR PAYMENT DETAILS OR GO TO:
http://aspiringtech.net/raffle/april02/rules.htm#pay
Thanks hawgs!!!! - and good luck..... :)
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice and cool, Northern Va., USA - Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 23:02:24 (ZULU)
GOD BLESS SHERIFF JACK TILLMAN!!!!!!!
Bolt,
How the hell do you sight in a crossbow without losing all the bolts, so far I have lost every F*$king bolt I shot. Either they go through what ever I shoot at and disappear or they are permenantly imbedded in things beyond my backstop. Haybales to light, wood to dense. What the F%#K!
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 23:11:55 (ZULU)
Never did find that arrow, and it wasn't even tipped with a 155 Scenar!
Good luck, Mike...
Mike <offroad_z71@hotmail.com>
- Monday, May 13, 2002, at 00:30:43 (ZULU)
Thanks Guys for the ideas on the backstop for bolts. Its been raining here for about 2 weeks now and theres not even much high ground that dosent have a puddle. I will try these things when I can
Now back to the scopes,
Like I have said before I have had mixed reviews on the Tasco;
Two questions,
1. Has anyone here ever used a 16X SS?, if so what do you think?
2. Jeff Quinn of gunblast.com did a review on the Tasco 6-24X Varmint/Tacticial. He gave it a very good review. I contacted him personally and he told me it would take the pounding of a 7MM Mag.and stay on target. Has anyone had any experience with this scope?
Now I can just hear everyones comments about the price. Its about $100
I am finding it hard to believe that a scope at this cost could be good, but I have heard several reviews on this scope and they are all good. Any bad ones out there?
Now remember guys---This is not for competition and my life/job does not depend on it but I still want an accurate scope. Jeff has the grouping pictured on his site. gunblast.com
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Monday, May 13, 2002, at 01:18:43 (ZULU)
I have a Sako Bi-pod on my TRG-41. It is a great pod, but as you indicated only fits on a slotted Sako stock as far as I can tell. One other drawback; cost is $300 US.
KROWBAR
KROWBAR <KROWBAR@SCSSSINC.COM>
Orange County, NC, CSA - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 02:33:04 (ZULU)
Ken should I contact my local dealer now for the shipping of my rifle? Or wait til after the drawing? ;)
Bolt, let us know how that RRA shoots. I'll be needing one soon.(Oh crap, I just want a new one)
Dirty Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 02:55:07 (ZULU)
Ref. Tabasco 6X24 Var/Tact. my shooting partner had one on a 270. it held zero fine until he started cranking on the elevation knob to adjust for distance. Then it got real unpredictable about returning to zero, sometimes it would, sometimes it would be high or low and you could not predict which would happen. Also, you could not predict how far off it would be sometimes within an inch of the previous zero, sometimes as much as six inches off. I think Lito said once, "ya gets whats ya pays for" and with optics that goes double. Based on his problems I won't even try a Tabasco. He ordered a Lupie tactical, ended his problem. I have four Lupies and a Burris Signature and I plan on ordering another Lupie as soon as Ken sends me that riffle I'm going to win. ;) ;)
Bottom line: save your pesos and buy a good scope.
Take care!
Rob Opp
Robert Opp <ropp@state.nd.us>
Jamestown, ND, USA - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 03:19:21 (ZULU)
Nope. They're too tall and always on to me.
Hank <robahenry@hotmail.com>
- Monday, May 13, 2002, at 03:20:40 (ZULU)
Just traded into a 1994 produced PSS in .223. Like new. Pulled the scope off it as I didn't want it. Whoever had mounted the bases had used some type of industrial fastening agent. Super Glue? Finally got the old mounts off.
Installed Badger Ordnance Bases and Rings/ Luppie 3.5 X 10X VAR-X III M1. Looks very business like. Need to eventually tap the action for 8 X 40's. On a .223 it shouldn't be a problem, but call me thorough(OK, ANAL).
At the range it became obvious that it doesn't like 69 grain Sierras. Best group was about 1.5 to 2". Bullets appeared to be tipping very slightly. Any idea what the twist is on the PSS? I thought 1:9", but it appears that it may be 1:12" based on these results.
My load of a 55 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip, 26.0 gr of N140, a match prep'd Winchester case, and a Winch Small Rifle primer shot well under 1 MOA with the last four round group having three in one ragged hole and the fourth opening it up to 1/2". Seems to be settling in and wanting to shoot 55 grainers.
Problems...rifle feeds poorly. Fixable, but I thought it should not have have this problem. The follower has little tension on the front. Most on the rear.
Trigger sucks. VERY creepy. Again, Fixable, but makes shooting a bit of a chore.
May want to recrown. I don't like the stock Remington crown.
Other than that it looks to be a keeper
Finally got to the range today, at least. Back to work tomorrow. Finished class last week. Am being sent to the academy August 19th thru September 28th. Looking forward to it.
My best to all...
Semper Fi,
Wes
Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 03:43:56 (ZULU)
The twist on them old PSS's IS 1:12". I had one that was pretty nice (for a PSS ;), but got rid of it because I wanted a 9" twist. But the 90 through 94 guns are better than the ones made now.
The PSS's with a 9" twist, are marked -"1:9" twist"- on the top of barrel, up by the muzzle... some of them may not be marked.
You might want to try the Hornady 60gr V-Max... long suckas that will shoot in a 1:12" barrel... I shoot 27 to 27.5 Varget with them (very compressed load), and they skip out of the barrel at around 3300fps (YVMV ;)... no signs of pressure. Woodchucks go "Splat"!
-
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 04:05:24 (ZULU)
ALL Tasco's, SUCK.......bottom line.......if you love your rifle/s, do NOT spend good $$$ on a Tasco,,,,,,,ever.
Steve J, the possibility of you running onto a 5R 700 PSS is slim to nada......IF you did luck onto a deal, BUY it.It was (I believe) only made with a 24" barrel.( and would have a Parkerized finish).
Sniff, WHY on earth would you turn a Bi-pod around??.....forget about groups, just trying to keep the thing from FOLDING up on you would screw the pooch....
Two Shoes
DZ
Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Monday, May 13, 2002, at 04:26:35 (ZULU)
Thanks for the info on the .223 PSS. I thought there had been a change in twist for the .223. I'm happy, as I planned to use it for critters anyway. Have bigger stuff for serious social purposes...
Will probably give it the M40A1 treatment in the future, but for now it seems to do what I want a .223 to do...besides I can always shoot the heavies in my M4 Carbine...;-)
Nice to get to the range and actually shoot today. Even if it was only sighting in and testing. Now I can shoot my .223 against my 6.5 and .308. The .300 mag is on it's way, as well. Man can't have enough guns...
Semper Fi,
Wes
Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 04:39:46 (ZULU)
I didn't send you a message, I think that the virus thingy might have hit on somebody els's computer and sent it out to you. I have an up to date version of Norton Antivirus running. I am catching infected emails that get sent to me. Sorry for any confusion of hassle, but it was not from me!
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 05:18:36 (ZULU)
We're trying to hold down expenses by using paper rather than eggs. Yeah, that's it. Paper is cheaper. ;-)
P.E.T.C. LOL
jc
jc <jcopelan@midsouth.rr.com>
Cordova, TN, USA - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 05:45:19 (ZULU)
I also live in Ca. and thought there were no more sales/transfers/trades of these types of rifles (M-16 (pistol grip, semi-auto, clip feed, flash suppressors). If I am wrong please tell me and let me know how and where I am able to purchase one.
Todd
Todd <thkoehler@earthlink.net>
- Monday, May 13, 2002, at 06:01:17 (ZULU)
WES- My .223 PSS hates the 69gr rounds too and it's a 1-9. My barrel is not marked at all regarding the twist but I double checked it and it is a 1-9 for sure. I have a good load using the 55gr Balistic Tip that really works in my rifle. I'll send it to you soon. I just don't have the data handy right here. It also likes the Balck Hills 68gr and 77gr factory stuff.
Good Shooting,
Joe S.
Joe Sharp <spojoehpd@aol.com>
Sunny S. Diego, PRC, USA - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 07:44:38 (ZULU)
Roger that, didn't mean for it to sound like I thought it came from you. I knew it didn't. This virus deal is messing with lots of people. Checked out my system today, luckily I don't have anything infected either. At least not that Norton has identified so far. Sorry for the confusion. Happy shooting ya'll.
Nick
Nicholas Gebhardt <gebhardt02@yahoo.com>
Memphis, TN, US - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 08:39:16 (ZULU)
Remington made a run of rifles for AccuSport that had a R5 profile barrel of unknown origin. It is like you said, stainless bead blasted barrel with a black CM receiver in a VS grey stock. I've seen them at the gunshows both here in Nashville and in Georgia for $700. If I remember correctly, only 500 of these riflers were produced, and ONLY for AccuSport upon their request. Don't know how they perform.
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 12:07:42 (ZULU)
These companies that build cheap stuff mix it right in there with what little good stuff they do produce to the point that there's no way to tell the difference. You can can't even tell on the same model cause last year it may have been good but has gone to hell on the production line. IT does cost money to make good optics and your not going to beat it. If your a beginner, buy the best Leupold you can afford. Spend the same money on other scopes and you'll probably lose eventually when you resell it. IF it's better than a Leupold it probably is heavier and larger. Their alloy is about optimum for weight and their Lens can be beat but it's damn hard to pick one up in a store and know if it's better or not. There are a few good scopes. IOR, Nighforce, Burris, Nikon, B&L all make good stuff but resale just won't match Leupold. If you have to have a cheap scope get a Bushnell fixed power. The only specialty scopes that are worth a flip are Springfield and Sheperd and both have manufactured junk in the past. When in doubt Leupold.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Monday, May 13, 2002, at 14:23:49 (ZULU)
Thanks in advance,
drmarc
drmarc <drmarc@se-tel.com>
Hillbilly, Kentucky, USA - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 17:20:23 (ZULU)
About the Sako bipod, like Krowbar says, i don't think it is possible to attache it to any other rifle, cause the attachement is some sort of square locking thingy that slides into a square wide opening on the front of the fore-end of the Stock.
But i seem to recall that on your AI stock, the barrel was floating quite high, so maybe you could make the opening yourself in the fore-end, all you need is about 5 cm's of space.
I'll show you when we meet.
Drmarc,
i think they are safe to use, cause they are selling quite well overhere, better than the old red plastic ones.
But imho, i don't think you need them, i have never used any of them and i dryfire alot. And none of my rifles ever broke anything or lost accuracy from it. (or maybe i have never noticed it!)
Besides, 2 of the 3 custom rifle builders i met on this side of the pond, said that it was not necesary, if the firing pin can't stand that kind of "abuse" than it is no good to begin with. According to them it was all money making BS, those snap caps.
But maybe some of the other Rosterfarians got different experiences.
Marco.
Marco <fwebel@wanadoo.nl>
NL - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 19:01:30 (ZULU)
Yesterday i shot the 400 m comp, did not do to good, scored 66 points out of a total from 75, 15 rounds divided in 1 group of 8 and 1 group of 7 rounds. But gladly neither did the other 40 or so shooters due to wind from different directions, so maybe i still ended with the first 10, (will know by the end of the week).
I shot the 8 shot group within 11cm's and the 7 shots within 11,5 cm.
The ammo was 167 grain scenars, lapua case, federal 210 primers and 46 grain of N150.
According to the Chrono they fly at a speed of 830 mps= 2723 fps.
I needed 9 MOA=36 clicks to reach 400 meter and 5 Moa= 20 clicks to reach 300 meter.
My question is this, will this load be sufficient enough to reach 800 meters?
So, will the bullits stay stable and fast enough to still be accurate at 800?
Otherwise i will have to go back and give the 155 scenars another try, cause they might perform better in the Sako's 1-11 twist, cause in my Winnie with its 1-12 twist they shot lousy at 300meters, althoug they flew as fast as little rockets.
Thnx to any and all info,
Marco.
Marco <fwebel@wanadoo.nl>
NL - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 19:19:17 (ZULU)
I checked Midway, Widners, Lock / stock.... any other suggestions?
Jim Mitchell <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Monday, May 13, 2002, at 19:19:41 (ZULU)
Check out armsandammo.com for reloading components. I've found them to have the cheapest prices on about everything. I haven't ordered anything from them yet so I don't know about customer service. Maybe somebody else here has the scoop on that.
Nick
Nicholas Gebhardt <gebhardt02@yahoo.com>
Memphis, TN, US - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 20:05:50 (ZULU)
.22 RIMFIRE - Bought a cheapie Marlin bolt gun Friday. With RWS it shoots 2.125"w x 1.25"h outside to outside at 100 yards with about a 5mph 1/3 value gusting breeze. With Remington high velocity hollow points it strung vertical 2.125"w x2.5"h (8 shots into 1.5"h x 1.125"w with two shots pushing opening the group up). Is it a keeper? I have thought about opening up the barrel channel for clearance and pillar bedding it for shits 'n giggles.
'lito - what kinda ammo you use in that .22 40x you gots?
edited 'cuz youz guys wouldn't know who I was if'n I didn't add the "hockyref"!
Steve - hockyref <s_uhall@riflemen.net>
Getting Really F****** WET in, South West PA, USA - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 20:53:50 (ZULU)
I shoot Eley "Subsonic Hollow points"... 3/4" at 100yds. Good stuff. Also found CCI Minimags to be pretty good for cheap stuff.
-
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 21:28:40 (ZULU)
Regarding the Lynx scopes.
First of all, take this answer for what its worth coming from somebody who knows nothing. (Hell, the way I shot the weekend on the farm you guys shoot better at 1,000 yards than I do at 100!!!! 44 shots, and the best was the first group of four shots - about 1.2 MOA. After that? I'll rather not say. I think something serious is wrong with my rifle!!! Honest!! I shot better in the army with a standard battle rifle (R4 - 5.56mm) with peep sight than I do now with my *hunting* rifle with scope! Think I must take up painting.)
I've not really handled the sniperscopes, but have their hunting scopes a bit. Not up to Loopy probably, but not bad either. Just remember that with our bad rand/$ exchange rate and what not a Loopy is more than most people's monthly paycheck. If I buy one I'll sleep out in the cold. And the supposed quote of some Texas Republican Senator or some such about his wife standing over him lying in a pool of his own blood comes to mind...
That said, take a look at the following add, also from the same site.
http://www.lynx.co.za/ads/m0105b.htm
And this is real - I've seen it. Take a look at the rifle it is mounted on, and compare that to your own. Think of the recoil it must withstand, and how it compares to that of your own rifle. And decide for yourself whether it'll be able to withstand the recoil.
Now also keep in mind that this weapon system is not built for the minute precision visitors to Sniper Country is used to and looking for, but it is still not too bad out to 1500-1700 yards.
FWIW.
Marius
Marius <webmaster@snipercountry.com>
- Monday, May 13, 2002, at 21:30:25 (ZULU)
I received and email from a bud about a virus that has been going through emails and has not been caught be any of the bug programs. It is supposed to hide for 14 days and then zap yo shit. I checked and I did have it so I probably passed it to others.
Check your C drives for the following file 'jdbgmgr.exe'. It will have a teddy bear icon beside it. I was told to delete it and did.
You computer savy gurus may want to check this out.
Hating computers more and more, Bolt out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
NC, - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 21:42:23 (ZULU)
Which Marlin did you get? I have a 25N and it loves Federal American Eagle. I routinely shoot a 1.25" to 1.75" group at 100 yds. all day long.
By the way, you can do a real nice job with their trigger and get it down to about 3-4 lbs. It really helps the accuracy.
Nick
Nick Anzano <nanzano@mindspring.com>
Milton, NJ, USA - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 21:43:58 (ZULU)
jdbgmgr.exe is a Java debugger and is a valid part of the operating system. jdbgmgr.exe should not be deleted.
Anyone interested in more information on this specific hoax should check this link http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoax.html
Jim Mitchell <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Monday, May 13, 2002, at 21:48:12 (ZULU)
For boolets and all related items, I've had good luck w/ Graf & Sons in Mexico, MO. Good folks to deal with, and they do offer dealer prices [for our FFL holders on the DR].
http://grafs.com/
Will probably eventually try some of the Lapua bullets from them; so far all I've bought there Lapua wise is brass . . .
Later, John
John <john@leveron.com>
near Graf & Sons, Mid-MO, U.S. of A. - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 22:17:23 (ZULU)
That file is a Windows OS file, NOT a virus, and should *NOT* be deleted. That email is a hoax - same as the one about the sulfanbk.exe file.
Whenever you receive a message along the lines of "... very destructive virus, as indicated in this note released by Microsoft/CNN/McAfee/Symantec/add-your-favourite-name-in-here, no cure has been found yet, delete immediately..." - just delete the damn message. It will be a hoax. Seen many variations - will see many more.
Go to Symantec's site, and check their lists - both of virii and of hoaxes:
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html
Ditto with McAfee:
http://vil.mcafee.com/hoax.asp?
I've also got other URLs at work, but not here at home.
Marius
Marius <webmaster@snipercountry.com>
- Monday, May 13, 2002, at 22:28:59 (ZULU)
Dumb, dumb, dumb!, Bolt Out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
NC, - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 22:29:53 (ZULU)
That's a decent looking scope, wonder what the glass looks like. The eye relief is more than I've seen on anything but a pistol scope. Seems like they'd try and market here, wonder why they're waiting? That's some ad too ;)) Can you say, "Advil?"
Hawgs,
How many of ya'll use a scope cover (like eagles) or muzzle cover when you're in the sticks? I've heard of using laytex finger protectors for muzzle covers, but I'm hesitant to try it. Seems like it would keep the crud and water out while your walking/stalking, but can you really shoot through one of these laytex "mini condoms" accuratly and safely?
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Monday, May 13, 2002, at 23:03:02 (ZULU)
Did they discontinue the magazine Tactical Shooter. I havn't
bought it in a couple of year's, but I used to all the time.
The publisher is Precision Shooting Inc. I know they produce
2 other's(included is Precision Shooter) and another one, but
do they produce Tactical anymore? Let me know please.
Any help would be appriciated.
Thanks,
Charlie
Charlie Marshall <redrider555@hotmail.com>
Tulsa, OK, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 00:36:58 (ZULU)
I heard about that from another source and lept before thinking as well. You are not alone...
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 00:52:04 (ZULU)
Tactical Shooter became "the other one", and is now called "The Accurate Rifle". Tactical Shooter died for lack of articles (the last year and a half really sucked), and lack of advertisers revenue.
-
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 01:13:51 (ZULU)
The air pressure a head of the bullet will blow the finger condom off prior to the bullet getting there. It is safe to use them, a friend of mine recently fired his AR with the muzzle protector in plce. Just blew it off. No biggie..
Dirty Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 01:19:13 (ZULU)
On the Sierra 175s, Natchez Shooters Supply is worth checking out. Go to www.natchezss.com
Jerry Stordahl <jtmstor@rrv.net>
Halstad, MN, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 01:19:51 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 02:14:59 (ZULU)
Used to tape over our muzzles when hunting wild "pig" (boar) in Hawaii. Bowie-style blades (even my Randall #1) and bayonets accounted for most of 'em though. (Good dogs!)
I tape my muzzle on my Jerry Rice rifle before every match, since we have to carry muzzle-down at Sacto. First three shots are at 200 yds from a cold-bore. No deviation. Always works.
Tape blows off ahead of bullet d/t what the other gent said. Electrical or 100 mph tape works well.
Sold my SS 10X42. Never disappointed me, but didn't want to take a chance. I "graduated" (extra job) up to a M3 LR and now a Mk4 10XM3.
They are BOTH nice pieces of glass and NO, neither is for sale!
Spud
dennis <usmcspud@mindspring.com>
merced, kalifornicateya, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 03:14:59 (ZULU)
Enemy scouts go through the area after an attack and find little condoms laying around in the area of a herd of sheep and goats! They also KNOW that WE have been there because they are short a few friends.
This could be very demoralizing to the ENEMY! They might believe that besides killing their buddies that we also....I'll leave that to your imaginations!!!
Back to business...range time planned for the 24th, pick up new/used 40X from my local FFL on the 23rd...only 9 days left to load...have to make room in the safe, hope the PSS's don't get jealous!
Byron <byburnham@earthlink.net>
CA, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 04:08:55 (ZULU)
Got my new chrono, any bets on how long it will take me to shoot this one..?
Dirty Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 04:14:28 (ZULU)
I have one of the 15x45x60's. Nice n bright optics. Like most other variable power optics i have seen so far - the light will diminish as you crank up the magnification knob. I use mine most of the time on 15x - which is the lowest setting, nice and bright, and pretty much allows me to see in pretty good detail.
Semper Fi,
Ken :)
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice and cool, Northern Va., USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 04:35:23 (ZULU)
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 04:51:11 (ZULU)
Two Shoes
DZ
Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 05:20:13 (ZULU)
If anyone is interested there is a B&L 10x Tactical on e-bay. Item number is 2102963005. I realize these scopes are very respected in many hawgs opinions, but for the price this guy is asking it should come with a few hookers. It also appears to include a base and rings.
On sheepies, a friend from Wales says to tuck the back legs into your boots. He gets too excited to explain why.
As far as demoralizing the enemy goes I've always thought B-52s plumbed like cropdusters and spraying heated, liquefied pork fat at high speeds and low altitudes would work well in the Middle East. We could write it up as some kind of weird "Food not Bombs" campaign.
Finally got some range time in this week-end. The new Loopy MK 4 performed as well as I had hoped. The LTR performed very nicely. It can shoot MUCH better than I can. I guess I got one made on a Wednesday! The real trick here is going to be finding a place to shoot that exceeds 200 yards so I can utilize those marvelous mildots a bit more. If anybody near me can help with this problem I am very open to suggestions and roadtrips.
Well, since the English building did not explode last Friday, I still have a final at 8:00am. It turns out some workers left an Acetylene tank cracked open all night and when the shift came in the next morning and turned on the lights... 2 confirmed dead. One in very little pieces. Off to my rack...
Chase
Chase Temple <istu9946@selu.edu>
Hammond, LA, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 05:56:34 (ZULU)
"On sheepies, a friend from Wales says to tuck the back legs into your boots. He gets too excited to explain why."
A friend once told me that if you take 'em to the edge of a cliff they'll push back. He got kinda excited too.
jc
jc <jcopelan@midsouth.rr.com>
Cordova, TN, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 06:20:15 (ZULU)
Oh, and I don't think the enemy finding a bunch of tiny little rubbers, that are tight one your finger, would demorilize them. I'd think it would be just the opposite. Think of the faces on the guys at the base when the scouts bring back condoms that are 1/2" wide and 3" long.. ;)))
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 12:14:37 (ZULU)
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020514-15769826.htm
TonyY <ayackowski@pershing.com>
Woodbridge, NJ, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 12:29:27 (ZULU)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tony,
Interesting yes but where are the PICTURES!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
- Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 13:09:44 (ZULU)
Sarge, I read the review on spotting scopes. Good work, guess I should have looked there before posting the question.
Dirty (real dirty) Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 14:01:41 (ZULU)
The USMC figures 1 mil = 3.438 moa
The Army figures 1 mil = 3.375 moa
With an Army reticle 1 mil subtends 4" @ 113 yards
With a USMC reticle 1 mil subtends 4" @ 111 yards
The inch coeficient for USMC is 27.777
The inch coeficient for Army is 28.294?????????????????
Help me out here guys.
out
Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 14:12:26 (ZULU)
Haven't had much time to post or even much to talk about as a matter of fact. I did get out last night to help a buddy break in his new Winchester Stealth in a 308. Thought you new buyers might be interested in the results.
After the first 10rds of cleaning and shooting we started on some 3 shot groups and then went to a couple of 5 shot groups. I must say it shoots "VERY" well. I was imperssed with the Black Hills Ammo he had. It was 168 Match and I had never shot any of it before.
It shot the first 5 shot group into a .5 with 4 of them into a .3 not bad for a factory rifle with less than 30 rounds through it. I think it likes Black Hills Ammo.(HA)
I have to say Cat Man your right on with the Stelth!! They are a nice rifle. He put a Timmney trigger in it and it breaks at a clean 3lbs. Not to bad for a cheap trigger. The factory one had some creep to it and the smith could not get it out so he went to an aftermarket one.
By the way whats wrong with 1/2"x 3" condoms, and why would someone laugh at us??? Aren't they all that size???
Pat <mrbullet@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 14:27:30 (ZULU)
Those numbers confuse me too. I have always called 1 mil to be 3.6 MOA.
I've used the 27.777 for a long time and also compared it to the yard formula and always came out real close. Then again, I believe 28 even will work real fine for most targets.
Are you screwing with my infantry/enlisted mind again Kevin?
Semper Fi,
Finger
jim reifinger <ironhawk308@ec.rr.com>
Jacksonvillenc, NC, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 15:08:51 (ZULU)
Those numbers confuse me too. I have always called 1 mil to be 3.6 MOA.
I've used the 27.777 for a long time and also compared it to the yard formula and always came out real close. Then again, I believe 28 even will work real fine for most targets.
Are you screwing with my infantry/enlisted mind again Kevin?
Semper Fi,
Finger
jim reifinger <ironhawk308@ec.rr.com>
Jacksonvillenc, NC, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 15:08:51 (ZULU)
Curiosity in me has to ask, does anyone know what they are getting for this?
http://www.remingtonle.com/rifle/m24a.htm
Inquiring minds what to know!
Byron <byburnham@earthlink.net>
CA, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 15:15:07 (ZULU)
I don’t mean to be anal about this guys but….
Army Circle = 6,400 milliradians
Army mil = 3.375 moa
3.375 / 60 = .05625 degrees
(1/Tan .05625) / 36 = 28.294 coefficient
USMC Circle = 6,283 milliradians
USMC mil = 3.438 moa
3.438 / 60 = .0573 degrees
(1/Tan .0573) / 36 = 27.776 coefficient
I’m guessing if you’ve got “football” dots use 27.77 and if you’ve got round dots use 28.29.
I’ve got to go straighten up my underwear drawer now.
Finger,
I was "infantry/enlisted" once but then I learned to eat with a knife and fork and they made me a osifer.
out
Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 15:55:04 (ZULU)
The 27.77 works for distances in meters. Target height in inches x 27.77/mils equals distance in METERS.
28.29 works for distance in YARDS.
Remember grasshoppers, USMC sniper still worky worky in YARD,Army sniper go METRIC.
Some of this cornfusion comes from some folks mess with mils assuming there are 6400 mils in a circle as on a lensatic compass. Those are "infantry" mils on a compass. THere are actually 6283 mils in a circle. Army and Marines both use the same system its just the Meters v Yard thing that is different.
Remember, Grunts and math are a DANGEROUS combination!!! MILDOT MASTER to the rescue.
Out
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 15:57:46 (ZULU)
#1 - Midway (estimated shipping)
(delta of .17 cents)
#2 - OK weber
(delta of .91 cents)
#3 - Wideners
(delta of $4.28)
#4 - Graf & Sons
#5 - Arms & ammo
#6 - Natchezss
Jim Mitchell <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 16:51:03 (ZULU)
S/F
Paul <paulcockerham@att.net>
VA, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 18:38:59 (ZULU)
Now for the question de-jour
Does anyone have any experience with the Leupold M8 series of fixed power scopes? I've seen some really good shooting with their variables, so don't think I'm anti-variable, but I just prefer their fixed scopes. They haven't let me down yet. Specifically, I was looking at their 6X 42mm adjustable objective. Anyone tried one of these? I'm hoping that it's a suitable replacement for one of the out of production M3 6X's.
And to the gentleman who stated something to the effect that progressive presses weren't to be used for accurate rifle rounds, I, sir, would disagree. It has been my experience, and been told by others on this site of their experiences with them also, that the progressive is extrordinarily viable in this role.
Jaeger <Jaegerspotter@yahoo.com>
- Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 18:57:15 (ZULU)
I am a recent (within the year) lurker who has taken much from S.C. I am indebted to the vast knowledge freely offered.
I have decided to complement my gas-gun (M1A/M21) with a FN-SPR. Searched all over, and came up with $820 shipped to my FFL. Is this reasonable?
BTW, I am an active "osifer" (OCS) currently. I fly the OH-58D heli because I bought into the Commanche program back in '94. Can't complain about the Hellfire accuracy though, after all-the Pk at 10 km ain't too bad...but now, I sit around on recruiting detail. Along time ago, I served in 10th SFG(A), 1988-1992. I learned to spot, and marginally how to shoot under Tom (Rick knows him, might know me too but I was a true rookie). And I have the obligatory "sh!t story" to share:
As a really young squad leader in the 82d, I was leading a patrol on snow-shoes out to an ambush site. At the ORP, my Beatle Baily Specialist (E4) named Liley asked to go "take one." Since terrain had us constricted, I directed him down our back trail 50 meters (I also wanted to know if we had been compromised from that direction and I was short handed...) So off he goes. A bit later both he and this horrible stench comes back up. There in all all it's glory was the biggest pile of C-Rat crap piled neatly on the trail edge of his snow shoe! I have many Liley stories, but that one is my favorite...
I am still the rookie I was in LR shooting, but I am certain I have found the proverbial goldmine in information--Thanks to every member posting at S.C!
Joe M.
Joe B. Mahon <joseph.mahon@usarec.army.mil>
Eau Claire, WI, US of A - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 19:38:02 (ZULU)
I have a Loopy M8 6x on a custom 10/.22; works well on this riffle, for this range. I wouldn't want it for anything past 200 yards for precision (mine doesn't have an AO), but then my eyes aren't what they once were. For my .223 stealth, I went with the 4-12 VXII AO loopy--it covers the cartridge nicely and it gives my tired eyes a fighting chance. If you have the eyes of an eagle--I'd bet the 6x would work for most applications, and my 6x has been around my safe longer than any other scope--it has held up nicely over the years (it began life on a TRG-S .300WM for 'Bou in Alaska). It is still going strong, knocking off crows on the farm, with repeatable adjustments--though unfortunately, no clicks (you gotta see, not feel those adjustments)!
Joe M, another FNG
Joe B. Mahon <joseph.mahon@usarec.army.mil>
Eau Claire, WI, US of A - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 20:17:46 (ZULU)
I had the .223 Stealth out today, testing loads. It does quite well with Varget and 69 gr. SMKs with Win. brass and CCI 400 primers. 26 grs of Varget gives 3017 av. velocity with a 0015 ex. spread and 0005 s.d. That's the lowest I've ever gotten with most loads in the teens for s.d. That one grouped .401 for 3 shots, .526 for 4 shots, and a single hole opened the group to .901 so it was likely me getting too excited watching the numbers. 25.5 grs Varget had all 5 in .651 with 3 in .276 and 2967 av. velocity. I'll likely settle on 25.5 or just 25 grs Varget and try the BR primers. The Stealth is tops for the money.
Jerry Stordahl <jtmstor@rrv.net>
Halstad, MN, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 20:36:24 (ZULU)
I have the 6x42 AO you are talking about, with target turrets, and mildots. It's a good scope, but not enough power for what I want. I used it on a tac rifle for a few months, and now it's on the bench.
-
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 20:58:45 (ZULU)
Craig Clark <stresssedout@hotmail.com>
Eureka, Ks, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 21:44:05 (ZULU)
Someone show Craig how to use the search feature on this thing and lets avoid the last barrel twist bruhaha!
Craig, we forgive you for you know not what you do!:-)
Out here
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 22:02:06 (ZULU)
I would go for RCBS or C-H presses,both are good .
On dies its really your own preference, I like C-H ,seem to be cheaper on the wallet espicially in older sharps calibers, But this is just my opinion.
The powder measure I use is a Belding and Mull it is slow but accurate for throwing charges as i can see the powder while filling the case . If this measure is still made it is worth looking into, I hope i ain't reccomending something you cant find ,but I havnt looked for another powder measure since i bought it.
On powder scale get a good one I have a RCBS 1000gr scale , I weigh a lot of heavy lead slugs for the sharps, so it is handy, But I also have a 500gr scale that i use as often For the 308 .
Every one has thier own preferences on equipment, just like cars what I like you may not. But reloading is a lot of fun.
The web page for C-h is www.ch4d.com/ Ron.B
Ron B <Bladehand256@aol.com>
Canon, Co, USA - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 22:19:36 (ZULU)
Lets run down what's in the pic. All prices are approx. from civilan sourses, not gov. procurement:
M24 rifle with adj LOP HS Stock, R5 barrel and dovetails/base. - $2700
Leupold MKIV M3 - $1200
Scope rings - $135
Harris Bipod - $80
Turner Sling - $54
Redfield Palma Sights - $190
Cleaning Kit w/ lube - $60
Allen Key set - $12
Seekong Torque Wrench - $65
Firing Pin Assemble - $49.78
Starlight cases - $214 (+159 for small ones)
So, were looking at roughtly $4920 for a civie to build this kit. With that in mind, and knowing how the government pays for items, I'd say we the taxpayers give $67,876.23 per rifle. ;))
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 22:40:59 (ZULU)
That's just a figure that comes to mind. I think I saw it priced somewhere.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 22:51:25 (ZULU)
Don't get a starter setup, they are filled with junk. Get the best press you can get (the cheap ones are inposible to get rid of when you want to upgrade). I had a RCBS, and gave it a friend cuz it couldn't do real heavy stuff without giving me a hernia... I got "C-H Champion", and never thought twice about the cost. That was 25 years ago, and at 29-ish pounds, it will still crush any other press made.
Get good dies, Forster match, or Redding BR... none other.
-
Craig...
Go here:
http://www.snipercountry.com/roster/AllArchives/duty042002.htm
Then use your word search function, and search "Twist"... we had a hot thread on twists for about 3 weeks... if all you're going to shoot is 168's (why would you use 168's for "longrange"... 175's are literally twice more betterer)... then you can be happy with a 12"... but read all the stuff before you spend yo' money. I wouldn't get a 12" 308 ever again.
-
Ron... B&M measures aren't made anymore... not for about 20 years. I gold plated mine so the brass wouldn't tarnish.
-
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 23:24:44 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 03:38:53 (ZULU)
'Evening folks.... we are at: 97 tix paid, 164 tix to go. Thanks to all that have sent in their $$ either via paypal or snail mail. Thanks to all others that have dropped their $$ into snail mail.
YOU SHOULD GET A RESPONSE FROM ME WHEN I RECEIVE YER PAYMENT.
Also - winchester stealth .308 - saw one for sale, new in box, on the emporium.
I saw that B&L tactical on Ebay ... man that thing must be gold plated. I know mine aren't.
Semper Fi hawgs,
Ken :)
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice and cool, Northern Va., USA - Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 04:02:15 (ZULU)
Since my dogs have had a designated area to themselves of course I have a new job to do, cleaning up after them. With a 140lb Rottie(still a pup) and several others ranging from 40-120lbs you can imagine how fast it piles up.Being a commercial painting contractor I usually have plenty of empty 5 gal buckets to "store" the material until I can dump it. I ran out of buckets which by the way weighed in at 45lbs full with the lid, so I used an old dog food bag(which I have done in the past) because they have a plastic lining which is pretty impervious to moisture.
I started filling the bag about a week ago and it was just about full when I was taking the last load out of the pen. It probably was close to 50 lbs of pure dog doo from 5 different dogs. I had not realized that the bag was a cheaper dog food that we bought in an emergency without a plastic lining. Just as I was carrying it out of the pen and across my doorstep the bag bottom gave way and all that shit came crashing out on my shoes and porch. It wasnt bad enough that it was shit but it has been raining here for 2 weeks straight and it was more like soup. I dont have to tell you that shoveling it only made matters worse. My wife IMMEDIATLY ran through the house and hid my guns.
Moral of the story..........make sure I have a good supply of buckets.
I do not find this funny but felt I should share it with you all since there has been no posts in a few hours. Maybe some of you can see some humor in it.
Lou
Lou <XNYCowboy@aol.com>
The ZOO, - Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 04:15:24 (ZULU)
Ballistic Mil Dot..... I seem to remember it being one of Burris' reticles. They replaced the dots in the lower half of the vertical wire with hash marks. I think that the idea is for the shooter to use the different hash marks to hold on for different distances. I suppose they don't intend to crank on the elevation dial.
ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, CO, USA - Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 04:57:01 (ZULU)
~Luke~
Luke <lukeaurich@hotmail.com>
Lakewood, Colorado, USA - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 03:36:06 (ZULU)
I have the A4 stock on a 700 that Tac-Ord built for me, I love it. Has the nice vert foregrip, and the cut in the bottom of the stock for my little sand sock to fit in. It's a heavy stock, but with my 24" of water main that I use as a barrel, the rifle was damn heavy to start with.
Dudes, and Undudes, with the price of ammo depleating my bank account, I'm going to be getting into realoding, anyone who wants to yak a bit about reloading, do's and dont's, equip and that sort of rot, drop me a line and we'll yammer a bit
Later Hogs
Kush out
Gooch, can people come to visit your little slice O' heaven to do some shootin?
Kush <matchking175@hotmail.com>
Pensacola, Lower Alabama, - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 04:07:55 (ZULU)
Who has the best price on Lapua brass? Best I've found is Champion Shooters @$32/100 but a company Eabco.com has 500/$171.33 shipped. Does anyone know of better pricing? .308 of course.
Sarge
Sarge <sarge@snipercountry.com>
Southern Area 51, NM, - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 04:11:35 (ZULU)
I don't think by "starter set" that MiliPeter and I ment a "rockchucker Bass Pro Shop Special".
What we wanted was a complete list of hardware required to make ACCURATE rounds. Without all the hype, bullshit, and trial and error involved in dealing with salesmen.
I just want to buy the right stuff the first time, and not worry about getting half way through loading a batch of rounds, and find out I need a left-handed metric jizmawhicker ; )
I don't want to buy cheep junk, and have to buy over.
Thats why I'm asking yous guys!
I figured to buy a single stage first, so I could learn the ropes, before going to a multi-stage.
I had heard good things about Dillon's, but I may have to check out the Whorenady ; )
So... a C-H press, a Lyman 55 powder thrower, forester dies and ???
Come on guys I know you have an opinion.
And I'm shure Pete and I are not the only guys thinking of getting started reloading. Who knows how available ammo will be in the future.
Thanks again,
4i's
4i's <mikelsam@cox-internet.com>
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 04:28:04 (ZULU)
And last but not least...DIES! Now everyone here has an opinion on dies! I have never used any of the Redding or other higher dollar dies so I can't speak to them. I use...and have for YEARS a LEE Full - length die set and once the round has been fired through MY weapon I use LEE Collet dies for neck sizing only. I use these dies with my Rock Jr, my M1A and my Remmy 700ADL hunting rifle and have NEVER had any problems with a round not chambering properly. My seating dies are the ones that come with the LEE sets and my depth runs 2.800 no matter how many rounds I've loaded in all three rifles! Well you wanted Info so how's this!! DAMN longest post I've made in a year or more!!
OK guys what'd I forget!
Sarge
Sarge <sarge@snipercountry.com>
Southern Area 51, NM, - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 05:14:25 (ZULU)
Winch Stealth vs Rem PSS. Pay your money and take your chances. I don't care for the PSS stock. The Winch is a better copy of the Marksman style. All my Rem 700 have shot well. Including the '94 produced PSS I just got after selling my .223 Stealth. Decided to keep all my rifles the same pattern
As to Bruce's neck of the woods and sheep...I'd not get concerned until you see someone donning velcro chaps...;-)
Range training slated for me at the end of the month. Get to shoot/qualify with Mini-14, Rem 870, and S&W M10. Got way better shit in my inventory, but have to use department sanctioned stuff on duty. Luckily, I have my own options off duty.
All for now...
Wes
Wes Howe <wsaa@proaxis.com>
Blodgett, OR, USA - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 05:46:06 (ZULU)
For .308 ammo I have stuck with the Federal 175 gr GM match. It is hard for me to think that I could improve the results that I get with that ammo from handloading. With two young kids, demanding job and bi#chy wife, my time is squeezed pretty tight.
Great threads recently!
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 06:34:42 (ZULU)
Unless you can find it cheaper go to Natchez at http://www.natchezss.com/index.html or call 1-800-251-7839 and order:
RC09367
In Stock
RCBS Rock Chucker Master Reloading Kit
Includes: Rock Chucker Press, 5-0-5 reloading scale, Uniflow Powder measure, Speer Reloading Manual, Trim Pro Manual Case Trimmer kit, Hex Key set, case loading block, case lube kit, automatic primer feed, Primer Tray 2 (square design), powder funnel and deburring tool
Brand: RCBS
RC ROCK CHUCKER MAST RELOAD KIT
Sale! $224
Reg. Price: 244.94
you can view it directly at:
http://search.cartserver.com/search/search.cgi?cartid=a-7002&category=Reloading&maxhits=20&keywords=RC09367
Select either RCBS or Redding dies for the caliber of your choice and you will be on your way. Don't forget the shell holders!
With the addition of:
LY7631686
In Stock
Lyman 1200 Pro Turbo Tumbler with Sifter and Media
Lyman's 1200 Pro Turbo features the same capacity and high endurance motor as our classic 1200 Turbo. The base designed has a beefed up suspension with an upgraded motor. With built in Case Sifter.
Brand: Lyman
1200 PRO TUMBLER W/ SIFTER&MEDIA
Sale! $44.94
Reg. Price: 46.97
and
LY7777796
In Stock
Lyman Case Preparation Kit
The perfect accessory to your tumbler or case trimmer. Contains everything you need to complete case preparation properly - large and small primer pocket reamers, large and small primer pocket cleaners, 2 hardwood handles, 3 case neck brushes and deburring tool, in holder.
Brand: Lyman
CASE PREPARATION KIT
Sale! $19.99
Reg. Price: 22.86
You will have it all!
I have no connection what so ever with Natchez, but these are all the tools you should need. I almost forgot don't forget the brass, bullets, primers and powder!
Just so you know I do use the RCBS Rock Chucker and JR presses as well as Dillon 550B, a RCBS 10-10 or Lyman M5 scale (both Ohaus mfg.), Speer, Sierra and Lyman manuals (several editions each), I don't have the RCBS Trim Pro but believe it is a good trimmer I have the Forster, I don't use the press primer seaters (except 550B) but use Hornady’s Hand-Held Priming Tool, I have the RCBS Lube Pad and Lube but more recently have switched to Imperial Sizing Wax and haven't had any dented cases using it, have RCBS manual powder trickler but again recently upgraded to Midway battery powered tricler and modified it to use Radio Shack power adapter to save on battery costs but can still run on batteries if I take it to the range, my tumbler is an Olsens Vibratory Tumbler 3 Qt. model that has been great for years but for the money the Lyman should also be good, my case prep tools are K&M but again for the money the Lyman set should be fine and the set cost is only slightly more then I have paid for 1 K&M pocket reamer, I opted for a Redding 3BR powder measure with pistol 0-5 and rifle 5-100 metering chambers but again the RCBS is also a good choice.
O.K. I'll stop before I get to the 6 cents worth...
Byron <byburnham@earthlink.net>
CA, USA - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 06:50:13 (ZULU)
Dies- If you set them up correctly, many dies will give acceptable results. If you're using full length size dies, make sure you get a carbide expander ball. You will save yourself much work, get smoother neck finish and less case stretch. I'm currently using Dillon dies in .308 and am quite happy with them-but you should have one of the cartridge headspace gauges to use them properly. Redding dies have a good rep, the carbide expander is extra- standard with the Dillon.
Press- yep-RockChucker. I prime in the press with a prime feeder. (Still using an old Lyman Spartan).
Scale-take your pick, remember you get what you pay for, and buy check weights. The face you save may be your own.
WR Moore <wrmoore2001@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 13:14:38 (ZULU)
Hogs - we're processing them ticket payments.
We are at: 119 paid / 144 unpaid. Keep 'em coming folks... we wanna get this drawing done.
Gotta get that lucky riffle to someone out there...
Magnifications and Mildots:
One of my shooting exercises showed - that to range accurately with the Leupold 4.5 x 14 x 50 LR tactical scope that I had at the time - I had to align the dot on the power ring with the X underneath the 14 on the magnification scale.
The power ring would go a bit beyond the X under the 14 - and cause me to produce inaccurate mil readings....
I'd suggest you do the 'Gooch check' referenced several posts back (111 yards, 4 inch bands, etc....)
Semper Fi Hawgs,
Ken
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice and cool, Northern Va., USA - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 13:19:29 (ZULU)
Unless your gonna measure your dope with it too....Some scales although quite accurate are prone to error by the way they read out. Provided the balance can be struck to zero and the cup is calibrated correctly to read zero to start with there's little chance for error unless the uranium mines are warpin the gravity in your county.. Now me, with a 8th grade education and having been engaged to all my cousins at one time or another, I find it quite a mental challenge to operate one of these so call progressive (depressive) presses. Although it can be done in a NASA lab it is beyond my basement ability to concentrate since I have to be watching for revenuers and black widow spiders, water mocasins and the like, to be able to keep one going. I usually spend twice the time, if you don't count knockin out the bullets in the uncharged cartridges, with the degressives as opposed to the single loaders. Ya'll might consider that, if the your doctor, cook and your cousin have all been on the 6oclock news witnessin the tornado and it's the same person, ya'll might be a candidate for a single stage just to keep all your fingers.
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 15:06:27 (ZULU)
I now have in hand my rifle from George Gardner; I can't wait to put this one on paper this weekend!
Will only be able to go out to 600 this weekend, but it's a start . . .
Am going to be loading up some rounds (10 each, 1.5 grain increments) tonight. Talk about a "handload-only" caliber. Not much in the way of factory ammo for target shooting in the .300 RUM
Rifle turned out really nice, and fit and finish are at least the equal of another stick I own that is more than twice the cost. Now am anticipating good things in the accuracy dept. as well.
John <john@leveron.com>
Turning a new rifle into a used one this weekend, Mid-MO, U.S. of A. - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 15:41:57 (ZULU)
Thanks to Paul Cockerham, I found out about Champion's Choice in TN. They had the best price for 500 ct shipped, but were out of stock...
I will be calling them back for future purchases of reloading components. I suggest you hogs that need to keep costs down do the same.
Jim Mitchell <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 16:16:51 (ZULU)
Anybody play with these much yet? I am curious, and running low on 168 SMKs
-Tom
Tom Simpson <bullet@sc.rr.com>
Columbia, SC, US of A! - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 17:03:14 (ZULU)
With regard to the many post that are bashing the Rem700 PSS. I bought mine around a year ago.."Brand New with a H&S PST26 stalk"...I glass bedded it, and used Lito's instructions on the trigger...
I hate the PSS stalk...It is not designed for people with large hands...I really like the PST26...which came with my riffle. I have been shooting sub MOA once I worked up a load...I am very happy with my riffle...Rem did a good job on mine.
As far as the Model 70 goes...I hate the safety...They are extremely loud....While hunting wild hog's, I spooked them when I clicked the safety at over 100 yds away......So unless you want to walk around with the weapon on fire...I do not recomend them at all for hunting...
Reloading equipment....I agree with the above posters...I bought a RCBS Master Reloading Set from Natchezz about a year ago. They were on sale for $175...I think...Works great...I have added the Powder trickler to it and thats about it...
Bryan <Bherman699@aol.com>
CA, - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 17:06:47 (ZULU)
Sorry I didn't get back to you on this sooner, been changing residences with the associated painting and box lugging. Furniture and appliances are set for tomorrow.
I "think" it was a 25N...didn't exactly care what modle it was as the price was right - target of opportunity so to speak. I wanted abolt .22rf to play with, harass groundhogs and kitties, train the wife and kids, and get some cheap practice in. It fit the bill quite well. I figure to try some other brands of ammo to see what it likes, maybe even use one of those "rimfire case guage" sorter thingies. Right now. I have two differend brands of ammo that will allow a cranial ventilation of a hog or kitty out to 100 yards....
Steve - hockyref <s_uhall@riflemen.net>
moving about a thousand yards down the road, exhaustion, USA - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 18:23:48 (ZULU)
Giving you a heads up.....I'm sending you an email with a picture attatched. Figured that you might appreciate it, results of open sight AR vs 10x scoped .308 at 600 yards.
Steve - hockyref <s_uhall@riflemen.net>
moving in , South West , PA - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 18:43:38 (ZULU)
I was not bashing the PSS. I have a friend who is in LE and was able to easily get one. Around here, the local dealers are afraid to get off their butts to contact a LE dealer so those of us who are not LE (not yet anyway) can get a PSS. It was easier to get a Stealth through my dealer because several wholesale people had a backorder of 700VS that had not arrived. I have shot the PSS and I like it. My hands fit around the palm swells without any problems. I even own a Remington Sendero in .300 WinMag that I love to shoot. I do like the Stealth that I was able to get much easier and with less hassle. In a few months when I graduate from college and go through the academy, I will eventually pick up a PSS, but for right now, my Stealth will do just fine. Also, the one I picked up doesn't seem to have a loud safety, or maybe I'm just losing my hearing ;)
Marc
Marc Ingram <snarl@coastalnow.net>
Hinesville, GA, USA - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 18:56:04 (ZULU)
WHere did you get the PSS with the HS PST stock?
Out
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 18:59:17 (ZULU)
.
For any L.E. bro's, if you didnt get to DC yesterday ya missed a really nice Memorial service, and GW even gave a nice speech. Planning on heading back that way next year but taking more time. Just got the morning and lil of the afternoon there, but judging from the size of the crowd i'd be willing to bet it'd be a great time. Well take care all stay safe and as brian sayz "watch your sixes"!
Marc <onesonek@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 19:39:57 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 21:02:46 (ZULU)
>"All the while the rudder is to the shooters right where it was intended to reside."<
That's called "Starboard" HA!... Double HA! ;))
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 22:22:40 (ZULU)
Have seen posts on related boards that Tasco is going out of business. Dunno if true.
WR Moore <wrmoore2001@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 22:27:19 (ZULU)
This is what I got from a Tabasco distributer...
---------------------------------------------------
Tasco Going-Out-Of-Business Sale
Last Chance to Buy Tasco Scopes... No More to Be Made.
Written by Eben Brown, EABCO Inc.
We received sad news in early may that Tasco Sales, Inc. is closing up shop. It's unclear exactly whether it is bankruptcy or what. I called 5/14 to confirm the news and was told it was more like they were liquidating assets and quitting business.
Whatever the technical/legal term might be, we're sure sorry to see it happen. What will happen to the Tasco name is not yet known. When I spoke with them 5/14 it was not yet clear how or if Tasco warranty service would be available. So, we're selling out our remaining Tasco inventory with the understanding that all sales are final and most likely there is no warranty. The following list includes Tasco scopes we have on hand as well as some models we can still get from various warehouse sources around the country. Once they're gone, there will be no more Tasco scopes, so if you want any of these, click in your order as soon as possible. Thank you.
EABCO Inc
--------------------------------------------------------------------
So I guess that's the end of arguments about the quality of Tabasco scopes... It lookie like they are No mas!
-
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 22:34:28 (ZULU)
heard of a 2.2 kilo.confirmed kill!!! don't know which force.
(.50 cal.was weapon) has ,can anyone confirmed this?
is this not a record? man thats a long waaaaay off.
macgregor
MACGREGOR <brownc@kos.net>
BATTERSEA, ONTARIO, CANADA - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 23:47:31 (ZULU)
Sometime back you said you had some new drag bags to test. How did they work? What brand?
Bill
Bill Byford <byfords@otbnet.com>
IL, USA - Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 23:56:52 (ZULU)
2.2 kliks (2,500 yds) in VN by Carlos Hathcock... he shot at a group of VC that went to get water every morning. HE shot at them every morning for a few weeks, and finely rolled one. He later admittted it was luck. It was with a 50BMG.
-
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 00:25:13 (ZULU)
Helmut Kohl of Germany was in Israel, and the Israelis brought out a huge tray of locally-grown produce to demonstrate how they had made the desert bloom. Tomatoes, cauliflower, asparagus, etc. Beautiful stuff.
What did H. Kohl select from the tray to sample?
A fresh red chile the size of his index finger, and proceeded to bite off half of it and start chewing.
I missed about half of the subsequent close-ups and commentary, haven't laughed so hard in years.
Sorry, guys, I know this ain't Chile Country, but too many of you would appreciate that to let it go. Watch for a re-run tonight, maybe.
Wiping away more tears than Helmut Kohl,
Bruce N. Robinson <bnrobins@flash.net>
Los Lunas, Chihuahua Norte, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 00:33:24 (ZULU)
I know this isn't "Chili Country" but I know that where you live you're definitely in chili country. I've bought more chilis in N.M (that had just been roasted) than I care to try to remember. They're great for making chili rellenos.
I didn't get in until late, so I didn't get to see Fox Report. I'm wondering what the BTU rating is on those Israeli peppers :D
Seriously, from a medical point of view, if a person, say a child, bit into a blazing hot pepper, the first thing that becomes compromised is his ability to breathe. Immediately, cut a raw potato into a scallop the size of his mouth (roughly) and about a 1/4-1/2" thick and make him suck on it and it'll remove the sting from the pepper. Learned that one from an elderly Hispanic gentleman here.
Jim:
Betcha didn't know that one ;)
Mark W (Jalapeno)
Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Jalapeno Country, Texas, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 01:16:02 (ZULU)
When neck sizing brass, how much of the neck needs to be sized? All of it to the shoulder, half, one third???
How much jump from the case to the lands when loading 175 SMKs, if magazine length is no concern? I have a load that preforms well with an OAL of 2.80, and obviously no magazine issues, just wondering. Thanks guys
Dennis Muldrew <dmuldrew@swbell.net>
OP, KS, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 01:28:42 (ZULU)
Yo's in BIG trouble Dudeski.
Spellin' chille as chilli will get you a dozen 175SMK's by airmail, from Bruce Robinson, our o-fish-ull keeper of the light (in all matters regarding chille)!.
I know of what I speak!
-
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 02:12:17 (ZULU)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Subject: HERE'S TO ANN MARGARET
Neat story which is just a bit different from those of Jane Fonda.
Richard, (my husband), never really talked a lot about his time in
Vietnam other than he had been shot by a sniper. However, he had a rather grainy, 8x10 black & white photo he had taken at a USO show of Ann Margaret with Bob Hope in the background that was one of his treasures.
A few years ago, Ann Margaret was doing a book signing at a local
bookstore. Richard wanted to see if he could get her to sign the
treasured photo so he arrived at the bookstore at 12 o'clock for the 7:30 signing.
When I got there after work, the line went all the way around the
bookstore,circled the parking lot,and disappeared behind a parking
garage.. Before her appearance, bookstore employees announced that she would sign only her book and no memorabilia would be permitted. Richard was disappointed, but wanted to show her the photo and let her know how much those shows meant to lonely GI's so far from home.
Ann Margaret came out looking as beautiful as ever and, as 2nd in
line,it was soon Richard's turn. He presented the book for her signature and then took out the photo. When he did, there were many shouts from the employees that she would not sign it.
Richard said, "I understand. I just wanted her to see it."She took
one look at the photo, tears welled up in her eyes and she said, "This is one of my gentlemen from Viet Nam and I most certainly will sign his photo. I know what these men did for their country and I always have time for "my gentlemen". With that, she pulled Richard across the table and planted a big kiss on him. She then made quite a to do about the bravery of the young men she met over the years, how much she admired them,and how much she appreciated them. There weren't too many dry eyes among those close enough to hear. She then posed for pictures and acted as if he was the only one there.
Later at dinner, Richard was very quiet. When I asked if he'd like
to talk about it, my big strong husband broke down in tears. "That's the first time anyone ever thanked me for my time in the Army," he said.
Richard, like many others, came home to people who spit on him and
shouted ugly things at him. That night was a turning point for him. He walked a little straighter and, for the first time in years, was proud to have been a Vet.
I'll never forget Ann Margaret for her graciousness and how much
that small act of kindness meant to my husband. I now make it a point to say Thank You to every person I come across who served in our Armed Forces. Freedom does not come cheap and I am grateful for all those who have served their country.
AUTHOR UNKNOWN
Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Jalapeno Country, Texas, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 02:18:35 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 02:22:10 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 02:24:50 (ZULU)
LITO ;
APPARENTLY OUR MR HATHCOCK HAS A PROTEGE!!!
THERE A LOT OF FOCUSED YOUNG LADS OUT THERE.
I'II HAVE TO DIG ALITTLE MORE FOR "W5"
macgregor
MACGREGOR <brownc@kos.net>
BATTERSEA, ONTARIO, CANADA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 02:43:47 (ZULU)
I think I just heard them whistle by. HE missed! Well, what can you expect from New Mexico to Texas.
Where's the *^@#$%^$%^spell$#%&%$#$checker*%^$&%*%$when you need it. Oh well, chilli, chille...tomatoe, tom ah toe. Chilles will get your attention no matter how you spell them :-)
Surely someone out there has a B&L Tactical they want to get rid of...maybe a MkIV M3 6X?
Sarge:
Are you going to make the "F" class match at Raton come Sept.? Contact me offline if you are. I LOVE the Whittington Center and Raton. Home away from home........
Mark W
Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Jalapeno Country, Texas, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 02:59:32 (ZULU)
Robert French <rdftdf@inetone.net>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 03:05:40 (ZULU)
La-POO-ah
-
MacGregor...
>"THERE A LOT OF FOCUSED YOUNG LADS OUT THERE"<
From Canadia??? Yo' gotta be kiddin!
-
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 03:29:16 (ZULU)
Sarge - the "Other New Mexican"
Sarge <sarge@snipercountry.com>
Southern Area 51, NM, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 03:38:44 (ZULU)
No Prob....exchanged some nice emails with Mark. Got a great story from him.
He is, after all, in Baja Oklahoma, so his spelling is to be forgiven.
Only reason I got lito's attention was sending him Dixon Red!
Hell, most of the people in the US can't even find NM on a map, much less spell chile.
175's missed due to fierce NM springtime wind, NOT (as Ken would have you believe) due to the 20" bbl.
Y'all take care, and hurry up and pay for those raffle tickets so George can send me my new stick!
Bruce N. Robinson <bnrobins@flash.net>
Los Lunas, NM, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 04:01:45 (ZULU)
whoooooo dawgy... picked up and processed a butt load of mail and payments today. We're at: 171 tix paid, 92 unpaid...
We're heading there fast folks...
thanks for getting on top of this hawgs,
Ken :)
Ken Hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
Nice and cool, Northern Va., USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 04:02:03 (ZULU)
Of course, I expect to win the raffle ...
William M. <elmerfudd3000@yahoo.com>
Birmingham, AL, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 04:10:57 (ZULU)
If'n ya win, maybe George can cut it down to 20", and then thread the barrel and the "Bobbet" section, that you'll have lopped off, so when you come to your senses you can screw it back on. Just keep it in a glass out back till ya need it.... ;)) (away from the chili plants)
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 04:12:01 (ZULU)
Sarge - the "Other New Mexican"<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ahh, you did it too Sarge...it's CHILES. LOL.I've had some four alarm chili/w jalapenos that sure was (burp) 100% effective. OUT-GOING!!!
That's a nasty thought though....being carpet-bombed by chili (the meat stuff). A few Pork-Fuel Air bombs over Afghanistan would make the whole country unholy...right?
Mark W
Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Chili and Jalapenos (but no beans please...makes for a DEADLY GAS), Texas, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 04:24:03 (ZULU)
Litosan'........Tabasco, they have been out of business for a long time, they just didn't know it.....;)
Tom S, I found the Nosler J4's to not be as good as quality in mfgr as Sierra's( IMHO).....I was truly surprised.....the jacket is VERY soft, and the heels seemed to be knicked, or dented even packaged in 250 count boxes.Dented heels are a NO NO......:(
Two Shoes
Dos Zap
Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 04:43:23 (ZULU)
Where in the Hell can I get some G96 gun oil. My stash is running low, none of the local stores carry it anymore, and it doesn't seem to appear in any of the catalogs I keep around.
Also - Any idea where I can get gen-u-whine .303 British Mk7 ammo. I just finished cleaning up an original Enfield No.4 Mk1(T) sniper rifle that was built at BSA and made into a sniper at Holland & Holland. The range drum (elevation turret to us Yanks) is calibrated for this ammo, 0-1000yds in less than one turn. Leupold sure wasn't first;-) . I'd sure appreciate it if any of youse guys could help me out.
TIA, ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, CO, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 05:10:06 (ZULU)
Alan and other, you can get it directly from the source at:
http://www.g96.com/
Byron <byburnham@earthlink.net>
CA, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 06:15:55 (ZULU)
You guys going to the F Class match in Raton. Be on the look out for a 75 yr old guy named JJ Conway. If you can get squaded with him jump at it. I don't know how they squad there, but this guy is the gedi master. Even with cateracts in his eyes. Talked to him the other night and he will be there. Not sure what he is going to shoot, other than a perfect score.
On Lapua, I just like saying the name, Laa-poooo-ahhhh.
Got my son's scope in today and should get the rings and base on Monday and will test the 155 Secnars in it. I will be limited to 300 yrds but should be a valid test any way. Yes not talk about twists. I just wanna see what will happen. I will shoot some 175's for comparison.
And Ken my dealer is waiting on stand by so you guys hurry up so Ken can send my gun.
Dirty Steve, Out
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 06:23:50 (ZULU)
Lapua Brass 308 Winchester Box of 100 available for $31.99
Byron <byburnham@earthlink.net>
CA, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 06:46:32 (ZULU)
Durand Wilson <wilsondl@fmctc.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 07:28:32 (ZULU)
The duty roster has been designated (by me) as an area of observation.
Recommend you team up and notify each other as activity of interest appears. Targets of various value may appear ;)
Engage as you see fit.
Out.
ken hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
XXXXXXX, XXXXXX, U.S.A - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 12:43:10 (ZULU)
What do you mean?
Sorry if I seem ignorant.
Durand,
Go to ebay. You can get the Kevlars there for about $60.
Semper Primus!
Mark <beowulf4_hire@hotmail.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 13:14:17 (ZULU)
http://www.horusvision.com/index.cfm
I ran across this on Snipers Paradise website. Some sort of new super duper ranging reticle which can be retrofit to your existing scope or just buy their scope with it.
Anybody have any intel on it?
Moe
Moe Mensale <mjmensale@aol.com>
Boca Raton, FL, US of A - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 13:55:27 (ZULU)
I would imagine that unless the underlying scope is solid (Loopie, etc.) that the ranging system is moot.
Interesting thread. Let's see what Cat-whacker haz to say.
Duman <steve_duey@hp.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 14:32:00 (ZULU)
We've talked about the Horus reticle a few times... a lot about a year ago (search the archives for "Horus"... HA! ;))
It's not "NEW"... it's been around for quite a while, but it has NEVER caught on. It's is considered a cluttered mess, and you need their program to play it, it's a LOTTA WORKIE to set it up for your stick, and it is iffy in usefulness.
-
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 14:34:17 (ZULU)
We use propylene glycol for those so unwise as to warrant the liberal application of pepper spray from the local constabulary...that is of course, if the unfortunate individual has the foresight to realize that medics are to be treated with respect if you want LESS pain ; )
Jim Mitchell <medicjim86@hotmail.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 15:22:34 (ZULU)
Those of you that are use to getting periodic e-mails from me, I sent one yesterday. It has/had an attachment and is completely safe. It is FUNNY and you should take a look. Just wanted to give you the heads up.
Dropped the Savage off last night to be bedded. This will be the final step for this rifle (I hope).
'lito,
When are you going to test the M118LR and post your findings?
S/F
Paul <paulcockerham@att.net>
VA, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 15:49:40 (ZULU)
Its been going on for about six months. Tasco has been in financial trouble and looking for a buyer. They had three "for sure" deals fall through and now the bank has them. The last buyer was Meade telescopes and it looked like it was going to work but it did not, they are definitely out of business for sure. Here's what will happen. A liquidation company that the bank hires along with the current tasco employs will liquidate the assets, but there's not anything exciting in their inventory. Then the rights to the registered trade mark Tasco will be sold and someone like Bushnell or ATK will buy it because it is an established name. Production and exclusivity on the SS will not change as our deal has been with the manufacturer all the time. Most people will never know anything happened, it will be like when Redfield or Weaver went under. The name will be back so fast with different products behind it that your average Joe won't know a thang.
So as Chris has said the SS series WILL still be available - so guys the debate comtinues!
Sarge
Sarge <sarge@snipercountry.com>
Southern Area 51, NM, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 16:06:41 (ZULU)
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 17:19:20 (ZULU)
In the past three or four weeks I've gotten e-mails from Dave Lawang, Gooch, and Tactical Intervention Specialists (Mike Miller). They had the correct names and the correct e-mail addresses, but all three contained viruses! Now I know these guys didn't send them so some asshole without a life, is gettin all "stiffy" off of this.
Just wanted to warn you guys in case you get something hinky from someone who stole one of our names and addresses.
danny reever <dreever@supernet.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 17:47:39 (ZULU)
HORUS: Cluttered mess as 'lito says. Can't imagine being able to use that reticle at night. Especially for quick, close, police stuff. Hard to beat a duplex or duplex with dots for our simple gigs.
Word I got was, the Canadians made the 2400 + shot. Also a 1700 yarder. Using a McMillan Fifty. They were Princess Patricia's Light Inf. and were backing up the US 101st ABN. 101st wants to give them all Bronze Stars. Anti-gun Canada ain't too cool on the idea though.
Hope you guys are all okay.
Brian
brian k. sain <brianksain@yahoo.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 18:56:11 (ZULU)
1.B. Chile is best used to prepare chili, see 1.A.
1.C. Dixons Red is the best red on the market, see 1.B.
2.A. Bill Rogers, however humorous he can be (and for that I am thankful), has an IQ of significantly higher than average.
2.B. Mr. Rogers has vast experience, a wealth to be learned from!
3.A. Tascos are trash. If I hadn't been able to get a return-for-refund on mine, I would have thrown it in the garbage. Once bitten, twice shy.
4.A. RCBS and Hornady powder throwers can be problematic, and require fitting.
4.B. RCBS stands behind their products well, and will fix what isn't right.
4.C. When RCBS or Hornady powder throwers are correctly fitted, they can be wonderful to work with.
5.A. Progressive presses are worth-while instruments for the high volume shooter.
5.B. As said before, a quality progressive press will produce quality rounds, rifle or pistol.
6.A. In the archives, I came across something from Mr. Gooch about rotating about a fixed point (forehead on a baseball bat), after consuming adult beverages. Humor is still alive!
7.A. I'm looking forward to seeing who wins that lovely rifle!
Jaeger <Jaegerspotter@yahoo.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 19:02:44 (ZULU)
Okay so I gots another highpower question to "axe". I decided to go with the Rock River National Match lower (have John Holliger tune it), and the Holliger RRA "upgraded" upper. Should shoot more betterer than I could (not that hard to do), and last a long time and be under a grand. Now the question that'll really frost many a posterior....What about moly (yes I said it....MOLY) for highpower? I know, I know don't worry. That stuff never has or will touch my "tactical" riffles. But, in highpower where you get spotter rounds etc. doesn't it have a little more merit? At least that's what I've heard (and I know you can't believe everything you hear..."Elvis is dead"...yeah whatever buddy....;)) ). I don't handload yet, but I was probably going to lean towards the Black-Hills molyed (not sure though) 75 or 77 grainers. So any of youse Hogs that do any highpower shootin', please help me out. I'm new to it and I'd like to "do it right" the first time.
Thanks again,
Rich S
Rich S. <RS1441@aol.com>
MD, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 19:12:52 (ZULU)
The weather (tempreture wise) is nice, but we're getting rain almost every day (except the time I'm at work :((
I have 7 riffles stacked at the door with a crate of ammo (come on back, DCS HA!, yo' Momma!), just waiting to go to the range. Probably next week. As soon as I shoot it, I WILL post the results.
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Sarge...
>"so guys the debate continues!"<
OK... Tabasco's SUCK, There ya' go! ;))
For those that keep defending Tabasco, cuz "one of them" works, just keep in mind this... Tasco has been around for 40+ years, and has gone broke, IN SPITE of next to nuthin' labor ($1 a day) and manufacturing costs in China... Is Lupita, or Burris going broke (while paying US labor rates, manufacturing costs, and US taxes, and following EPA laws)... not hardly.
So you think there's somfin' OK with Tabascos... not me. If you can make a product with $1 a day labor, and cheap factorys, and no US taxes, and still can't make it, you have a assed sorry product.
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Brian... I heard that too... I think we talked about here about two or three months ago. They (the guys from Canadia) ain't all that bad ;))
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 20:05:34 (ZULU)
I bought a dual dove tail unertl base and rings combo from this company for 100.00$
They come with the rings installed on the base and are trued and don ot need to be lapped.
I mounted on my stick, centered scope before mounting to rifle, then bore sighted. It was 1.5 moa low and 2moa right pretty damn close if you ask me. The fit and finish are great.
I did not have enough clearance between objective lens and #7 contour barrel I just got. John told me what I needed and is gonna send me another one.
Easy guy to work with who stands behind his product. Not to mention a lot less money that badgers or lupy mk4s. The marine corps uses this mounting system ,if I am not mistaken and if I am I am shure someone will let me know, It is very heavy duty and has few parts to fail like bolts or nuts. I am happy with mine.
JIM ANDERSON <OCSO245@HOTMAIL.COM>
OKC, OK, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 21:43:08 (ZULU)
This is the only place I post, and I've been getting some weird e-mails. Besides every one in Nigeria wanting to make me a billionaire, and cuties by the score love-me-no-shit and want me to visit their very personal websites, I've been getting some very suspicious e-mails that contain no text at all. They take a long time to load and there's nothing in them. Can't say I care for the looks of that.
Another contains the following:
Hello,This is a very new game
This game is my first work.
You're the first player.
I hope you would like it.
Has anyone else around here been getting any of this?
CDC' <criscurt@isu.edu>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 21:53:54 (ZULU)
Welcome back. Have missed your postings. My Norton anti-virus program has been working overtime lately. Lots of goo-goo birds loose out there!!!
Doc Holloway <docs@fidnet.com>
The soggy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 22:09:40 (ZULU)
I have one of John's steel floorplates and it's very nice. He is a good guy to do business with.
Rob01 <customrem700@aol.com>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 22:12:21 (ZULU)
CDC...
Welcome back too (this IS a roach motel... nobody ever REALLY leaves) ;))
It's too late for the Billions. Me and Bruce Robinson already took the money, and now were trying to find a place to wash it. Bruce gave me a few million to wash, and I threw it in the washing machine with a cup of Tide, and all the ink came off (I mean how was I to know????).
Now I'm thinkin' "Dry Cleaners"... ya' think ;))
I also get the empty emails (about 8 a day, and got that thing about the new game, with nothin' in it.
It gets old real fast.
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'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Friday, May 17, 2002, at 23:00:34 (ZULU)
out
G.W
Gavan Willis <gwillis@simplex.net.au>
- Friday, May 17, 2002, at 23:50:07 (ZULU)
I have been getting the Nigerian / Congo / South African "We want to put $25 Million in you bank account" type emails about once a week now.
I don't even open them.
Sniff
Sniff <akh805@actrix.co.nz>
Auckland, New Zealand - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 00:04:06 (ZULU)
US Tactical Supply. GOt 5 in for some test systems. GOOD TO GO! $225.00
http://www.ustacticalsupply.com/cases.shtml
Out
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 00:23:29 (ZULU)
Well, hawgs, I have accomplished one of my long-term goals. Last week I shot my AR in the Navy East Coast Rifle and Pistol Championships and won 1st Gold in the Atlantic Fleet Excellence-in-Competition service rifle leg match for 10 more points to Distinguished Rifleman. Tuesday I shot in the All-Navy EIC and won 3rd Gold. Total of 34 points and I have "Legged out" for the US Army Distinguished Rifleman's Gold Badge.
I started in February of 1999, and it's taken:
15 leg matches (three at Camp Perry);
4,191 rounds of 5.56mm Match (moly handloads and raw Navy 77 grain Mark 262);
four triggers (Armalite to Bushmaster, Bushmaster to Stoner, and finally a Jewell);
two barrels (a stainless Douglas 1-8 that burned out in 2400 rounds, resulting in a wasted 2001 season. Currently shooting an outstanding Krieger chro-mo 1-8 four-groove);
two sights (Armalite 1/4 to 1/2 MOA, and finally an Accuracy Speaks 1/2).
All my points are military (All-Navy Silver 2000; LANTFLEET Bronze 2001; LANTFLEET Gold 2002; All-Navy Gold 2002).
Next goal: President's Hundred!
Am setting up an AR-10T (24-inch Walther barrel) for use as a 1,000 yard scoped rifle. Haven't decided whether or not to use my B&L 10X Tac or a new M3LR. Has a GG&G 20 degree sloped rail. Currently has a Bushmaster trigger (yech) with a Jewell coming.
Sinister Dave <mliwanag@nc.rr.com>
Fayetteville, NC, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 01:39:59 (ZULU)
Well..., it breaks my heart to leave you guys, but my bride & I depart for the Whittington Center for 9 days in the morning. No match, just goin' ta play. When is the match in Aug/Sept?
Save my new Riffle fer me and I'll claim it when I get back.
Larry
Larry J. Porter <skporter@nts-online.net>
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, US of A - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 01:50:07 (ZULU)
Now that you have whooped up on those rookies, you get to take the Boltster on at Butner in June and July. Quake in your boots son! This blind, balding, old fart is after your title!
Early to bed tonight. Have a DMAT camporee tomorrow.
Bolt out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
NC, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 01:57:15 (ZULU)
Good Luck on the President's Hundred. I hope to start again for the President's Hundred later this summer. Started once back in the early 90's but marriage, going back to college, and work gave me enough excuses to stop shooting in the local Service Rifle matches. I hope to shoot in July. I have already missed the April and May matches and I will out of town on business in June. Sounds like a familiar scenario, hope I change it this time.
How many rounds do you have through the Krieger barrel. I am looking at their barrels as a replacement for my current barrel next winter. I had one of their barrels back in the early 90's but it went with my rifle when I sold it. I had about 1000 rounds through it and it shot great from beginning to end.
Congrats again.
Keith
Keith <keith37f20@excite.com>
North Central, WV, USA - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 02:46:37 (ZULU)
Good job!!
One question. Moly in a 223? What is the advantage you get at comps? Thanks.
Hank <robahenry@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 02:48:30 (ZULU)
Dozen Easton aluminum arrows: $60
Dozen broad heads: $35
Getting an arrow in the back of your skull: PRICELESS!!!!!!!!
Check this out!!!
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=6f4bd57a1fa261262e2070e0e0f2a9b5&threadid=1493&highlight=broadhead
Time for bed, Bolt out!
Bolt <reeldoctor@mindspring.com>
NC, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 04:00:53 (ZULU)
I will offer that B&L a good home if you decide to not use it - LOL. Be quiet Cat Shooter ;))
ken hunter <hunterkr@riflemen.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 04:37:25 (ZULU)
CDC; I got 42 messages Thursday that fit the description you mentioned. These viruses now steal your adr and send messages to other people with your name on it. That Bogus Game deal must be doing something sinister but I don't know what. The African schemes are the only legitimate ones. I haven't written a check on them yet but I'm sure the money is there. Would a African Prince lie to you?
I know you... you're just a old fraidie cat!
You will get a message that will say it will eliminate your getting those Virus messages if you will disable your Antivirus and let it come in because you're anti virus "mistakes it for a Virus"..ad it may look like it comes from someone you know. This stuff must be coming direct from Ben Laudin himself....All this stuff is choking the net with junk messages and it spreads like a chain letter that you can't stop eventually it should bring the net down or make it too slow to use due to the traffic. The virus won't show up as being on your computer and it's not but people you know get bogus stuff from you as it also steals your files and sends them all over.
Welcome to paradise lost!
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 05:39:29 (ZULU)
Nine days at Whittington? Wished I was there right now. NRA heaven as far as I'm concerned. Here's the link for the upcoming "F" class match at the Center:
http://arizona.rifleshooting.com/spirit02.html
Sinister Dave,
Congratulations MR....SINISTER DAVE. PSSST, disregard Kens offer. I've got a better one for your B&L Tactical. No......wait...disregard that. He might throw my riffle raffle winning numbers out the door. We'll talk later....
Bolt,
DAMN, that's got to hurt. I can only imagine what kind of broadhead was on the end of that shaft. Used to bow hunt myself. I've seen what those things can do. Maybe MedicJim can fill us in on the dialogue that probably took place between the medic and the patient. I'm more curious as to who took the picture, the bow hunters friend (that shot him) or the medics partner? I would've loved to have heard the report to the receiving hospital from the ambulance.
Lito,
I'm growing some CHILLES just for YOU. They're crossed between a habanero, jalapeno, serrano and chille piquing. I'm gonna call it "pluto" (short for plutonium). BTUs will be measured in "mega"..tons.
Dirty Steve,
>>>>>>>>>You guys going to the F Class match in Raton. Be on the look out for a 75 yr old guy named JJ Conway. If you can get squaded with him jump at it. I don't know how they squad there, but this guy is the gedi master.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
It will be good to finally meet the Gedi Master. May the (.308) force be with us. (thanks Steve I will)
Mark Vader Skywalker
Mark W <sharps45@msn.com>
Chili and Jalapenos (but no beans please...makes for a DEADLY GAS), Texas, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 06:03:37 (ZULU)
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/17/ret.seal.death/index.html
Michael <mike1000@pacbell.net>
SJ, CA, USA - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 09:26:11 (ZULU)
The horus reticle was invented in 1728, by Chief Erik Poophawk,a Viking / Indian . who decided that if he left the branches on the christmas tree he was making a bow out of, he would have lots of aiming points which would enable him to better aim off for wind/range deflection when trying to shoot animals with his bow, the branches also provided camoflage to help confuse his prey. Great theory.The name Horus comes from the Viking name for wallruss, which is what Erik's brother was shouting trying to warn Erik of the wallruss that was about to flatten Erik, who was busy checking his xmastree-master to verify exactly which twig on which branch he needed as an aiming point for a range of 25 yards in a 30mph wind on a 1 ton Bull Wallruss with a kill zone of 2 feet. It was Poor Eriks last hunt, the Wallruss flattened him. From that day on, the rest of the tribe decided to follow the KISS principle and abandoned the Christmas tree bow for hunting purposes. Since then to commemorate Erik's untimely death, once a year, on the aniversary of that fatefull day, the braves of the tribe get together for some target practice and on this day only do they shoot with christmas tree bows, at life size wallruss targets made out of straw, they take their time, selecting the right twig on the right branch, and they can achieve some amaizing hits and range estimation using the system.The tribal chant when any one misses a target on this day is " Horus"! "Horus"!
A descendant of that tribe with a flaire for modern technology, has apparently come up with a way of fitting the christmas tree bow into a telescopic sight.
Now all we have to do is find some one called Erik who is willing to hunt wallruss with a rifle and scope fitted with this reticle. Will he make the shot in time? or will he be flattened by a Bull Wallruss? "Horus"! "Horus"!
ok I'm full of crap, but in a comedy mood,
Chris, you need to ask Jon Beardsley about them sheep, he's Welsh, could the right word be Beardsleyality?? come on Jon, tell us about them sheep and wellie's !! and then i'll tell you all about your new Swarovski spotting scope thats sat in my car awaiting the post-office to open, niiiccceee nice..
Marco, try some Balistic tip bullets in that Sako of yours for hunting Roe Deer, they are great and are usualy accurate, and i will make one of them sako bipods fit my AICS, square peg- round hole.. no problem.
No news from S&B on delivery dates and prices for new PMII scopes yet.
I'll reply to all emails tommorow, Im busy at work with shift plans and training.
Pete L
Peter Lincoln <Peter.Lincoln@esa.int>
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 11:50:20 (ZULU)
Welcome to the fold... you're as crazy as some of the rest of us. I loved the Horus history.
;)))))))))
'lito
CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 12:12:41 (ZULU)
Your killing me with your Horus/xmastree Master story. Glad to see your back.
TonyM
tam308 <tam308@aol.com>
US of A!!!!!!!! - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 12:16:42 (ZULU)
Bill Rogers <brogers@elkhart.com >
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 12:57:10 (ZULU)
Lito,
Some additional info to my earlier plea for help. I have now shot 11 of those 'hot' 180gr rounds. The last 4 are now not showing any sign of ejector marks, any galling of the base and the primers have more rounded edges. All the ammo was loaded at the same time with the same batch of powder, same batch of Fed. large rifle magnum match primers and all the cases are weighed to +/- 1 grain. The ambient air temperature was higher for at least 2 of the last 4 rounds than when I initially tested the batch and got the readings of 3200fps and the pressure signs. I haven't chronoed the ammo again to see if velocity has dropped as well. The barrel has now had about 100 rounds through it, could the reduction in pressure be something to do with break-in? Cleaning has also become incredibly easy. I would still appreciate any comments or suggestions (I know you are still waiting to get to the range first).
Cheers
Jon
Jon Beardsley <jon@sgreadan.fsnet.co.uk>
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 13:40:36 (ZULU)
I am back in Europe and have been reading Duty Roster's last 5 months during the last few days.
Lapua 155 Scenar's seem to be getting more popular. A year ago nobody believed what I wrote about 2900-3000 fps out of regular 24" barrels with a BC higher than SMK 175's. Anyway quite an itneresting bullet. I have heard reports about the jacket thickness. On compressed loads the bullet jacket may become deformed if the load powder is packed too tightly. The bullet is at its best when used with moly (hgihest speed etc.) but can be used also without moly. I would prefer no moly.
The "almost 300 Win Mag" 308 Win load from Lapua was developed for originally for UK military snipers. The load has a 170 grain Lock Base FMJ bullet (BC .525 according to Lapua) that is pushed around 2800 fps out of the long barrel of AI sniper rifle. The powder is according to rumours a hefty dose of VV N-150 but this is justa rumour. The charge is higher than what Vihtavuori or Lapua reloading manuals give as max for 308 Win so I will not mention it as it is anyway third hand information.
IOR vs Badger.
My understanding is that Badger refined Leupold Mark4 rings and IOR then copied the general style. Might be wrong, though. Badgers rule in this style.
Sako TRG-21 vs TRG-22 and TRG-41 and TRG-42.
TRG-21/41 rifles were developed by Sako in early nineties. These rifles were extremly accurate target rifles are were offered for sale to several European and Middle-East militaries. Unfortunately the design was not fully developed for harsh military use.
The TRG-21 was offered only in 308 and it could be ordered with either stainless or cromy moly barrel. Stainless cost 80 USD more in Finland. Early TRG-41 in caliber 338 Lapua Magnum used only stainless barrels but later on cromy moly become available. TRG41 has been offered also in 300 Win Mag and in very limited amounts in 6.5X55 Swedish for some military shooting competitors.
After several defeats, some in put from Finnish reservists and a new requirement list from Finnish Defense Forces Sako developed a rifle called TRG-42 in 338 Lapua Magnum. That rifle is deployed by FDF as we speak. Differences compared to the old model are at least the following:
The firing pin and firing pin assembly can be maintained better. In the old model the assembly was a closed unit that could not be disassembled on the field without extra tools. Now it is better in the field.
The muzzle brake is now threaded to the barrel. On TRG-41 it was just slipped over the barrel with a special pressure band torqued tight to keep it in place. The new muzzle brake is also more effective than the earlier one.
The stock on TRG-42 is modified to fit the shooter better and now a jammed magazine can be ripped out of the rifle with force if needed and it can be done with gloves on. In earlier models a jammed magazine had to be pried out with a screwdriver or similar tool.
The stock is now green in military version but can be ordered also in black.
New bipod was developed. In my humble opinion it is better than Harris, P-H. Versa-Pod or any other bipod I have seen. It is made of steel and it can take any abuse.
The magazine catch has now extra "dirt space" machined behind it so that the lever is not easily jammed in the closed position. In earlier models it is possible that dirt jams the release lever so that the magazibne can not be taken out of the rifle.
The external finish is parkerizing. Earlier it was a shiny bluing.
There are probably more smaller refinements but these cover most of it. All TRG-42 modifications can be found also on TRG-22. The barrel on the military model is cormy moly because FDF specified a cromy moly barrel. TRG-42 can be bought also with shiny bluing, stainless barrel and with either green or black stock furniture.
The FDF version has also a special Sako-made sloped scope attachment system that is developed for a dedicated Zeiss 3-12X50 Mil scope that was manufactured in a limited production run for FDF. For example the tube is 30 mm except on the area close to the adjustment towers were it is widened to apprx. 34-36mm. It is NOT a version of the civilian 3-12X50 Zeiss. It has a lighted reticle and the BDC has both meters on it and it can be used with 0.2 mil-radian adjustments. These are in MOA world 2/3 MOA. Confusing for people licing in inch/yard system but not so for people used to live in metric system.
BTW Beretta owned Sako is now charging the exactly same outrageous prices for Sako rifles in Finland as in the USA. Custom gun smiths have been having a field day for the last year or so as Sako can not really compete with custom smiths quality but the cost is the same. For example a TRG-42 list price is 3000 Euros which is 2700 USD. I can order almost TWO custom rifles with that price where everything including action, trigger and barrel has been made from scracth.
Looks like Sako/Beretta does not want to sell to Finns anymore. Keep in mind that the high cost of European rifles in the USA are caused also by the high import duties. We do not have import duties on stuff we make here in Filnad but still Beretta charges these outrageous prices locally.
Take care !
Hexa
Hexa <juhola@luukku.com>
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 14:39:14 (ZULU)
A chance at a Brownells Glass Bedding kit has appeared. Engage as you wish. Not sure when it will go away....
1. Send an email to: scfreebee@aspiringtech.net
(you can click on the email below to get there as well).
2. I will have the Major pick a number from 1 to the number of emails I receive. The winner will be the person's email that matches the number she picks.
ken hunter <scfreebee@aspiringtech.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 15:42:55 (ZULU)
Gooch and others have you ever actually used a drag bag during training or on a mission?
I have the eagle drage bag with backpack straps. It seems like it would be useful at times and could double as a ground mat in cold/wet environments. Also Eagle has external pouches that can be attached to the case to hold spotting scope and binoculars.
Nicholas Young <ynicholas1@qwest.net>
SLC, UT, USA - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 17:17:02 (ZULU)
Nicholas - Would not ever use a drag bag. Too much crap to carry now. Drag bags give people away by its snagging and catching and since it is another large pice of equipment to be seen by the enemy.
Horus Vision aka Horrid Vision - Would not even attempt that scope. We have the CD on it and even that is a pain to look at. Add that you must shoot the longer ranges at the bottom of the scope, that the leads and wind holds will too short to give enough at the longer ranges. Lions and Tigers, and Bears O' MY!
Well enough stirring for now, Will go throught he article more minutely and will post anything that I disagree with, if there is interest.
Hold Hard Guys and HAVE FUN!!!
Rick <rbowcher@aol.com>
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 19:19:47 (ZULU)
There is an interest...
FatBoy...
Chris <sweepman@tds.net>
What's in a name? That which we call VarGet by any other name would smell as sweet !!!!, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 19:42:33 (ZULU)
Hey guys. I'm giving a 2 for 1 deal on my courses till the end of the year. You pay for 1 tuition and bring a buddy for free.
Out here.
Gooch <goochkw@riflemen.net>
Click on my name to visit www.goochtraining.com - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 21:37:03 (ZULU)
A Leupold Wind River spotting scope has appeared as a target of opportunity in the current freebee giveaway
That means - that two picks will be made - one for the glass bedding kit, one for the Leupold Spotting scope.
Out.
ken hunter <scfreebee@aspiringtech.net>
nokesville, va, U.S.A - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 21:57:48 (ZULU)
Rob01 <customrem700@aol.com>
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 22:35:40 (ZULU)
I'm really interested in the field of sniping and am looking into becoming one. Now, I'm not inlisted, nor have any experience with hunting, or even firing a gun(Sad, yes.). But the mental and tactical parts of the field really appeal to me.
I think I understand the role, and difficulty of becoming a sniper, and surviving as one. But it seems like the right place for me, if I can make it that far.
So anyway I've been studying the field, reading up, so on. But that can only take me so far. Like I said, I've never been hunting, fired any form of rifle, let alone a gun. I have no fear of guns or anything like that, just never got any contact. So I'm here to talk to you gentlemen and ask for something in the ways of mentoring as I get into shooting and the field in general.
I just have a lot of questions that can't all be answered by books basicly. Say, What would be a good starter rifle to learn on? What kind of places can I learn to fire it on/at?(Totally clueless when it comes to guns and the rules.). Made some friends to go hunting with, how can I gain some skills as a shooter and sniper doing that?
I'm sure an ungodly amount of questions will come in time. Just need some people to talk to who know the field =]. So if you can spare some time, help a wannabe out.
Thanks in advance for all your help.
Sil.
P.S. Forgot, I do plan to inlist in the marines when the time comes. And sorry for rambling on.
Percival <reddyman68@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 22:44:31 (ZULU)
As far as drag bags on missions,
We had the eagle bags, we'd use the eagle to move weapon ans gear to a staging area, once there, we'd strip down to our "fighting load", and use a scabbard style drag bag for the stalk. The big mamma-jamma drag bags aren't practical for a long stalk, too bulky. Tony M found that Desert Specialties makes a great scabbard style bag for about $50.
Later Hogs, have a Radio Instrument simulator on Monday, they suck, but flying for the Corps is better than beating brush in NTA any day
Semper Fi
Kush out
Kush <matchking175@hotmail.com>
Pensacola, Lower Alabama, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 22:44:49 (ZULU)
Glockamolie <Glockamolie@cs.com>
- Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 23:40:01 (ZULU)
Rickster... find the errors, and send them to Marius, so the orignal copy can be corrected, otherwise the bad data will go down in history, and get passed on AGAIN to others.
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Jon Beardsley...
You'll have to remind me on the loads you are refering to (cronic CRS).
I think you probably pulled the trigger harder on the first loads ;).
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Hexa...
I didn't believe you then, I'm a true believer now.
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"Sil"... how old are you?
And if you have never shot a gun, why are thinking of becoming a "Sniper". That's like saying you have never driven a car, but next year you want to be an indy driver???
There are much better ways of making a living... as a sniper, you will probably never own a NEW car or any kind of house, and it ain't gonna impress the chickies very much.
I would suggest you talk to a Marine recruter, he will answer all your questions.
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Ken... can I get in on the Glassing kit deal ;))
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CatShooter <condor@mags.net>
Spring has sprung, the creek has riz... I wonder where dem kitties is?, - Saturday, May 18, 2002, at 23:55:42 (ZULU)
Not having fired a gun does hinder me, but I don't believe too greatly. I can learn. If I can't, I forget about it, it wasn't ment to be. But it seems the field only starts with a great shot.
And I relise "success" won't come from that lifestyle. But that's fine with me, I always liked things simpler.
Looking for more of someone to chit-chat with here and there rather than a recruiter.
It just seems like the career for me. I don't know, I'm not very good at describing things, maybe if you asked different questions.
Percival <reddyman68@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 01:39:18 (ZULU)
Thanks!
William M. <elmerfudd3000@yahoo.com>
Birmingham, AL, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 01:46:16 (ZULU)
Today I completed the first portion of my reconnaissance of new training areas here on the Island of Maui.
Dressed in a Hawaiian shirt, shorts and Wayfarers to blend in with the locals I rode north along route 30 from my base camp in Wailea. I kept my speed below the local limits so that I wouldn’t draw the attention of the local Gendarmes. Using a Blue Harley Davidson Fatboy for transportation I was able to slip through unnoticed.
The village of Lahaina is strategically located on the Northwest portion of the island along the straits of Molokai. I noticed that many of the village women to be fit and dressed for the hot weather. I don’t think they noticed me.
Pressing on I reconnoitered the extreme Northern reaches of the island and found many suitable training locations. The terrain is rugged to say the least but fresh water is available from many of the waterfalls and local streams. The vegetation is tropical in places but becomes sparse at higher elevations.
To protect my cover as a tourist I’ve been forced to eat and drink with the locals and pretend to be having fun. I hope I can hold up.
I will continue this dangerous mission tomorrow and report back.
out
Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad) <kmussack@aol.com>
Clifton Springs, New York, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 02:53:25 (ZULU)
What are you going to use the .22 for? Savage and Marlin both have very nice .22s. If you want a bit more punch you could look at getting a .22WMR. I can't comment much on the terminal balistics between the HP and solid. Although, Rem came out with a .22WMR that uses a a polymer tipped bullet that is supposed to give excellent terminal ballistics.
Nick
Nick Anzano <nanzano@mindspring.com>
- Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 02:55:42 (ZULU)
You're taking WAY to many dangerous assignments. Listen, the next time you have something like this come up, I'll volunteer to take your place.
Or maybe you need an assistant?
Watch your back dude -- who knows what they have hidden under those grass skirts :)))).
Nick
Nick Anzano <nanzano@mindspring.com>
- Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 03:01:25 (ZULU)
Kevin On The Blue Harley Fatboy - you really know how to torque us stay-at-homes, don't ya? :-)) Geez, first you go get a new office down here in The Land of Hurricanes and now you're playing around in The Land of Volcanoes! Say "Hi" to Magnum for us!
Moe
Moe Mensale <mjmensale@aol.com>
Boca Raton, FL, US of A - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 04:03:00 (ZULU)
19MAY02
0330 ZULU
Intel Report:
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The neighboring island of Lanai is inhabited by scantily clad women that partake of intoxicating local bevarages. Due to the potential threat level that may be encountered in this sector it should be entered only if absolutely necessary.
If infil into this sector is necessay ensure covert alias identity is maintained at all cost. Protection will have to be acquired locally if not part of mobilization gear. Suggested local source: convience store.
All sit reps provided to the DR will be given highest possible security classification and all persons viewing sit reps will disavow all knowledge of any operations in this sector.
During last recon of that area, no sheepies identified. A few goats were sighted.
End
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Seriously, I hope you enjoy yourself. If you get a chance go to the top of the volcano and watch the sunrise. An unforgetable experience.
It was good to shot with you and Andy again.
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Sil
I am not a sniper but after lurking here for a few years I think you will find that not very many of the folks on the roster are going to want to "chit-chat" with you unless you answer them when they ask you a straight-foward question. Lito (aka Catshooter) asked you how old you were and you didn't answer him. You must be at least 18 years old to be on the roster. If you are 18 you should make sure you have read the "Warning to Minors and Militants" and "Good Reading for Newbies and Old Salts" then read the Archives. After you have done that, then decide if you want to ask the types of questions you are asking of the snipers on this page. If you are not 18 or older you should leave this site.
Keith
Keith <keith37f20@excite.com>
North Central, WV, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 04:03:48 (ZULU)
I forgot to say that my eagle drag bag is the new one that folds out into a shooting mat.
How exactly is a drag bag properly imployed? In my mind there are a few senerios that stick out, like it would be useful if you also had a short range rifle like an M16 while stalking, especially if you are heavy rifle sniping with a 50 cal (windrunner comes to mind).
It also makes a lot of sense to hide the bag when you enter enemy territory as you wouldn't want to be caught with your rifle in your bag.
Police snipers likely have the most use for a drag bag/shooting mat.
Using a drag bag will interfear with your ruck.
I don't know what to think about drag bags, but I really like mine, very comfortable to shoot off of. :D
Nicholas Young <ynicholas1@qwest.net>
SLC, UT, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 05:02:10 (ZULU)
Bolt, lever, semi-auto or pump?
Maybe single shot? Break action?
How much accuracy do you desire?
Quality level - from excellent to real poor.
How many bucks are you ready to part with? Determines most of the above. What can you get away with ;-)
Full size, kids size, or what?
HP or solid bullet? Depends on what you're shooting, pests, small game or targets? Determine that, then buy a box of each of the decent ammo that is available to you and sort out the most accurate.Most .22 rimfires will let you know what they like real quick. Speaking in broad terms, soilds for edible game, HP's for vermin.
Just a hint - a broad generalization at that - Winchester PowerPoints have always shot consistantly for me, but you don't wanna use 'em for edible stuff unless you can consistantly pull off the head-shot!
HTH, ALAN
ALAN <asimon@gj.net>
Palisade, CO, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 05:51:44 (ZULU)
Shot 500 and 1000 yards, and can honestly say that the Gardner rifle did not outshoot my Shilen built rig. However, the Gardner rigs operator consistantly outshot the Shilen rigs operator at both ranges.
I hate when equipemnt failures can't be blamed. Good seeing ya again Roger.
Mike in Texas <mcdonald@hcn.hcnews.com>
Texas, - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 05:53:04 (ZULU)
The concept for the .22 rifle is cheap, accurate adult sized small game rifle with weather resistant fixed power scope. Really a SHTF rifle, since the only small game I now hunt usually comes in paper boxes with fries. It would also be a way to get my wife into rifle marksmanship, since I have not been able to convince her to try the AR15 yet, not to mention get me shooting more for less $.
William M. <elmerfudd3000@yahoo.com>
Birmingham, AL, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 06:19:48 (ZULU)
Kevin, If you get to Honolulu. Stay a way from the Alamowanna park on Sunday afternoon. The bike riders there are a bad influance trust me. All though you are on the wrong type of bike for them.
Sinister congrats dude. My hat is off to you. Not that I wear one often.
Steve Dickerson <ginger@devtex.net>
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 06:54:08 (ZULU)