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Darren: Good vid.

Mayhem: Glad to see that you are posting.

CDC'
Tuesday, April 1, 2008, at 02:28:21 (ZULU)

Now that's some very good hate agitprop....probably better than anything the other side has produced to date.

medicjim
Tuesday, April 1, 2008, at 03:03:06 (ZULU)

I know he'll get painted as racist for this, but I understand his feelings. The Muslim community seems to be instructing their people to breed like rats, colonise, and take over the world.

Now, don't get me wrong, I don't hate Muslims, or any other religious or ethnic group. Unfortunately, certain sets of people, who happen to be linked by their religion, are the ones doing this.

From what I understand, the Dutch have bent over backwards to welcome immigrants from all over the world, and the Muslim population there is making our Mexican insurgent problem look like a petty squabble. Their social services have been drained by these people, who then started electing their own representatives, and are bitching that they aren't being GIVEN enough.

Ungrateful sons of bitches! That's kinda like a coyote killing all the wild turkeys around my house, killing all my chickens, then demanding access to my fridge! Sounds as if their next step is to demand that the last few fatted calves not only be slaughtered, but also cooked and served on a silver platter.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Tuesday, April 1, 2008, at 10:09:33 (ZULU)

Travis, you are on the mark.

Darren
East Bay, CA, USA - Tuesday, April 1, 2008, at 15:13:33 (ZULU)

On contractors. I am by far no expert but I agree with everything Rick said. See the resume and dont believe any of it. Rick straightened my ass out on this once when I was burned.

Nothing like figuring out some guys have no tactical sense when your already there.

Back to my old retired fat cop life. LOL

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller
Ca, - Tuesday, April 1, 2008, at 15:14:56 (ZULU)

Mike, you can't judge all contracts by one experience. We have a couple of posers here, but they get found out pretty quick. Most of the men I work with are pretty squared away as far as the SKILL level goes. Now, the weird-assed personality quirks...well, that's another matter.

Pat, you RAWK. Package recieved. The Crystal Light is like gold around here. So is the Cope. I owe you one, amigo. When I'm back in Tejas on break, come on down and the beer is on me. Thanks again.

Culture break tonight. The Ghurkas threw a going away party. Amazing. It seems to be a point of honor to kill the goat with one stroke of the kukri. The goat knew damn well what was coming, too. They sure dance funny, but the Heineken makes it all very logical.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Tuesday, April 1, 2008, at 17:18:34 (ZULU)

Travis on that same note........

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344409,00.html

Jim Reifinger
Pearsall, TX, USA - Tuesday, April 1, 2008, at 20:26:05 (ZULU)

Charles: Glad it got thru and it helps. Enjoy.

Pat II
Wednesday, April 2, 2008, at 00:25:49 (ZULU)

Jim,

".....all muslims are innocent." Bullshit. Can you imagine the shitstorm if the rest of the world declared them all to be guilty? They'd be trying like hell to buy the ACLU and the U.N..

I'm about to the point where I agree with the "Let God sort 'em out" mentality.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, April 2, 2008, at 03:14:39 (ZULU)

Charles S.,

You oughta see 'em do that with a cow.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Wednesday, April 2, 2008, at 05:19:43 (ZULU)

"I'm about to the point where I agree with the "Let God sort 'em out" mentality."

Yup,Me too. It wasnt that long ago the muslim community was whining about how airport security was "profiling" them based on sex and age groups.What a big stink they made about that.

Also loved the comments the muslim lawyer made about hating anything non-muslim.

Yeah,Right...Sure,He hates it.He is hating it,all the way to the bank.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Wednesday, April 2, 2008, at 05:39:27 (ZULU)

Polar bear killed with .223. Click. I betcha someone shit his pants a little! I guess now I can throw that at the idiots around here that think they need a .300 Ultra to miss deer at 100 yards!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, April 2, 2008, at 06:09:39 (ZULU)

What happened to HD Rifles? Did they go away? I can't seem to find them on the web. This is probably old news, but it's been a long time since I've needed any rifle work done. I was primarily looking to get the Remington 700 bolt mod done. I also had a note to get thier DM stock mod, but honestly I don't remember what that mod was. If HD Rifles no longer exists, does anyone know of anyone that does this kind of work now? Thanks for the help and Semper Fi,

Paul

Paul
San Deigo, CA, USA - Wednesday, April 2, 2008, at 07:43:28 (ZULU)

Any of you logger types have any ideas about how long I'd need to dry cottonwood logs for building a cabin? Should I peel them before storing, or at all?

I'm also considering using Elm.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Wednesday, April 2, 2008, at 08:41:13 (ZULU)

HD rifles is gone with Jeff Hicks, who departed under a cloud, to be kind.

The remaining personnel have been reorganized under a new name, Cactus Weapons. Click on my name for their contact data.

Lindy
The Northern Occupied Territories of Mexico, Texas, U.S.A. - Wednesday, April 2, 2008, at 13:58:18 (ZULU)

Cactus Weapons,

I've had limited dealings with Bruce Hudgens in a fire / medical services capacity. He is apparently the service manager there. He's been top notch in my experiences.

medicjim
Wednesday, April 2, 2008, at 19:40:23 (ZULU)

I was flipping channels last night and ran across a program from South Africa about the elections in Zimbabwe. Excellent! They covered the issue without hype, speculation or hyperbole. In fact, they refused to speculate and made no snide comments-at least any I recognized.

Damn, could we get them to cover our news?

WR Moore
Thursday, April 3, 2008, at 04:31:28 (ZULU)

Re - Joke for the Day

Three men and a Genie

Three men - a Canadian farmer, Osama bin Laden and a Marine are all working together one day.

They come across a lantern ....

And a Genie pops out of it. "I will give each of you one wish, which is three wishes in total", says the Genie.

The Canadian says, "I am a farmer and my son will also farm. I want the land to be forever fertile in Canada."

POOF! With the blink of the Genie's eye, the land in Canada was forever fertile for farming.

Osama was amazed, so he said, "I want a wall around Afghanistan,Palestine, Iraq and Iran so that no infidels, Americans or Canadianscan come in our precious land."

POOF! Again, with the blink of the Genie's eye, there was a huge wall around those countries.

The Marine says, "I am very curious. Please tell me more about this wall."

The Genie explains, "Well, it's about 5,000 feet high, 500 feetthick and completely surrounds the country. Nothing can get in or out;it's virtually impenetrable."

The Marine sits down, cracks a beer, smiles, and says, "Fill it with water."

Darren
East Bay, CA, USA - Thursday, April 3, 2008, at 20:52:19 (ZULU)

re: Genie wall joke.

Hear a variant of it for Quebec, Canada's sometimes separatist-leaning province...

Google - quebec genie wall

This from 2005:

http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?name=jokes&op=ViewItems&vid=72

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, April 3, 2008, at 23:38:09 (ZULU)

There is nothing that Rod could not find "the rest of the story" on; he is our resident fact-checker/ back-story man. I commented on this a few years ago---he still amazes/ amuses with his ability to add both color and depth to our conversations.

Rod: You're either one heck of a researcher or a future "jeopardy!" star...probably both. But I'd consider the Marine's wish a better use of the asset over the candian version!!! Not even a close contest:))

I'll be in the DC area 11-16 april, with the weekend on the eastern shore. The whole clan will be along...and we'll tour my old stomping grounds of my youth. Oughta be a blast for the kids (first airplane ride too). If I'm crossing anyone's AO, hit me offline. I'll buy anyone a beer who supports this site!

Joe M
Friday, April 4, 2008, at 05:49:39 (ZULU)

Political Quip - very interesting yet true :-) ENJOY

545 People, by Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems

and then

campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans

are

against deficits, we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation

and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?a

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on

appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, The Federal Reserve Bank

does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president and nine Supreme

Court justices - 545 human beings out of the 300 million - are directly,

legally, morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems

that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that

problem

was created by the Congress.

In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound

currency to a federally chartered but private central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.

They have no legal authority.

They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman or a

president to

do one cotton-picking thing.

I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.

The

politician has the power to accept or reject it.No matter what the

lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine

how

he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you

that what

they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regard

less

of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive

amount of gall.

No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood

up and

criticized the President for creating deficits.

The president can only propose a budget.

He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole

responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and

approving appropriations and taxes.

Who is the speaker of the House?

She/He is the leader of the majority party.

She/He and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any

budget

they want.

If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they

agree

to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot

replace

545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts - of incompetence and

irresponsibility.

I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable

directly

to those 545 people.

When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the

power of

the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what

they

want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in IRAQ.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom

they hire

and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice

they

can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and

from whom they can take this power.

Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists

disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation" or

"politics"

that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are

their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own

employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper

Darren
East Bay, CA, USA - Friday, April 4, 2008, at 14:24:14 (ZULU)

Pablito, man I just re read your article on Parallex and scopes, on Sniper Country. It has been a long time since I read it. That is the best explanation of how scopes work I have ever heard

Thank you for that work and glad to hear the legal system limped in with correct verdict for you.

On HD rifles. I have done business with the new company Catcus Tactical and they are good to go.

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller
Ca, - Friday, April 4, 2008, at 16:11:48 (ZULU)

Mike

Can you point me to that article? I'd like to read it

Thanks

Doug sickels
Saturday, April 5, 2008, at 02:25:10 (ZULU)

'Lito article on parallax:

http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/Parallax.asp

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, April 5, 2008, at 07:24:10 (ZULU)

UnDudeski...

Thanks for the nice words - it was fun to write.

I finely beat the system, and in the end, the other side was tripping all over themselves to get the Rug Rat into my hands.

It has been nearly two months since he left, and he hasn't heard a word from her... no letters, no phone calls, no "nuttin".

It doesn't surprise me one little bit... she never cared, she just wanted to hurt the Rat and me.

I tell him that he has to leave the cell phone that she gave him plugged in, so in case she calls, she can leave a message... but I know nothing is coming.

He is in school now, and doing great - he is studying Shakespeare Romeo & Juliette now... and the he came home the other day and said:

"Daddy, I went to the lunchroom today, and there was no seats at tables with other kids, so I found a table that was empty and sat there.

Four girls came over and invited me to their table - they scooched over so I could sit with them - there were eleven girls and no other guys."

I think he is on his way to being a "Girl Magnet" ;))))

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, April 5, 2008, at 17:39:32 (ZULU)

Gents, long time no talk. In one way, fortune has smiled and I will have a lot more free time to actually shoot now. After 3+ years of no posting, I may actually have time to surf a certain rifle site a bit more again . . .

I will be heading to Oklahoma soon, and one of the fellows this trip is shooting a match M-14. He is looking to shoot some 175 smk's, and potentially switch to a new primary diet of 155 scenars. While I have a good bit of data on both of those for the bolt guns, I'm concerned about op rods, and port pressure, etc.

I've found my standard loads seem to be fine, generally speaking, in an AR-10 but as everyone knows that is not the same thing.

He plans to roll with Win brass, and would prefer to use Tac powder, but has some Varget left over too. If anyone can post M1-A / M-14 data with that in mind, it'd be appreciated. Factory data from Sierra (and others) seems very conservative these days, linked on my name below. Guess I'll blame the "Liability" thing.

Should be interesting to see how this works, as we'll be taking prediction data down, and coming back with some known data for a variety of .223 and .308 loads, 100 to 1k.

Thanks, John

John L
Mid, MO, U.S.A. - Saturday, April 5, 2008, at 18:23:40 (ZULU)

'Lito:

Congratulations on acheiving a happy ending to a tempestous saga. It's always nice to see the good guys win, especially against such a crooked "house". I applaud your persistence.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, April 5, 2008, at 19:55:42 (ZULU)

John: Hey! Welcome back. Bravo is the resident -14 fan; I'll give him a call and see what he can post up for ya...damn! He just called me!

Initially, he is saying ya can't push the scenars fast enough to match the performance potential of the 175s off the M14 platform. he'll elaborate more when he gets a minute...

Joe M
Saturday, April 5, 2008, at 20:08:08 (ZULU)

John L...

First, welcome back.

Second, FIX OUR SEARCH ENGINE - It no workie ;))))

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, April 5, 2008, at 21:11:48 (ZULU)

John L.,

Welcome back. Guess I'll have to start making the drive to Badlands more often now that my local school is kaput. I'll bet it's "delightful" down there in August!

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The sunny Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Saturday, April 5, 2008, at 22:08:26 (ZULU)

Sierra loading data- I had occasion to call Sierra awhile back and asked about the changes in load data. Their answer was "Different rifle in use." Guess that one has a tighter chamber/bore than the previous one.

WR Moore
Sunday, April 6, 2008, at 02:45:59 (ZULU)

"I think he is on his way to being a "Girl Magnet""

Or a hair dresser;-))

Just kiddin' 'lito.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Sunday, April 6, 2008, at 05:35:32 (ZULU)

On "Persistence" (a mini-thesis ;)

I would like to thank all of you guys that have supported me over the last 4 years in my battle for Ruggus Rattus.

It has meant a lot to me, especially in some of the dark days of the first and second year when I was broke, my lawyer took all there was, and I didn't understand what I was up against.

I would also like to toss in a special word of thanks to that rascally bum that called me and said...

... "Look, if it gets real bad, grab your son and take a bus out here, and I'll bury the two of you so deep that the USA will be a part of Mexico before they find you!"... it came close to that a few times.

On persistence. It doesn't take much to be persistent. My son wasn't an "accident", or something that the wife wanted. I wanted kidlets long before I ever met her.

She quit on him when he was 6 months old. I was his mom and dad at the same time. I fed him and changed him... and played with him, and watched a thousand hours of "Pokeman" with him (Yuck!)

He went everywhere with me. I'm self employed, and I turned down clients that wouldn't let me bring him with me... in his little "Oshkosh's", with his coloring books.

So persistence was not an issue - they stole a major part of me - there was no where else to go, and nothing else to do.

They steal your kidlet, wadda you gonna do - go off and start again, and send him birthday cards until he's 18.

Not in this lifetime. I would track my son in bare feet over broken glass.

Now, it's payback time...

Me and another father (who was victim of the same shitty crowd) spoke the a state detective (who's IQ was over room temperature), this past Friday, and we got his attention... he said, "I'm not suprised by a single word you have said", even about the judge being in on it.

I think the case is going somewhere. He's gonna try to get it referred to the State's Attorney General's Office for criminal investigation.

If that doesn't happen, I'll keep on knocking on doors 'til I put these bastards out of business.

Anyway... thanks for all your support - it DID help.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, April 6, 2008, at 10:56:45 (ZULU)

Give'm hell, 'lito...

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Sunday, April 6, 2008, at 14:24:49 (ZULU)

Rest in Peace Mr. Charlton Heston....an advocate for the rights of the common man....

cmoore
Dago, Kali, usa - Sunday, April 6, 2008, at 14:25:58 (ZULU)

Lito: Your words resonate. I knew that Blake's egg donor was not wired right immediately, too. No way she would raise him---the only reason she even tried was to "get back at me" for daring to have a life after she tried so hard to ruin it! FWIW, Blake tried to latch on to one of her meal stations that first week of his life, and her reaction was bizarre---she jumped up out of a slumber and freaked out. My instructions from her were to "keep it off me!" Christ. The battle should have been easy, but the system had no concept of father's rights in the life of a child beyond his wallet. It just was not done. In my case, spending money...lotsa money...was the answer. Even then, the gender-blind laws that would have started with 20% of my income simply became a non-factor in Mass; they pretended they did not exist. She never paid a penny in support for some 17 years. And nobody batted an eye.

I've thought about fixing this system (thru law school). But now I realize we are past the point of "do over." Can't fix this mess, so we gotta tear this one down and build a better one...

If self interest drives decisions of this generation of judges and shysters, imagine the near future when the "self esteem" generation starts taking over key positions in society.

Strike that; this current generation will drive our society into the ground before these kids get a shot at it.

Give them hell....and WY6.

Joe M
Sunday, April 6, 2008, at 18:41:20 (ZULU)

Re: Tribute to Charlton Heston

I stopped by the NRA Whittington Center several years ago on the way back from Red River, N.M. and snapped these photos of a recently built monument to Charlton Heston.

The location of this memorial is right on the Santa Fe Trail. It's called, "The Scout."

(click)

Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Sunday, April 6, 2008, at 23:58:28 (ZULU)

MK4,

Actually, he was the model for "The Scout.' It was not a tribute (well, sorta...) to him. Original intentions were to build an entire wagon train - with Indians - and he/it was the first piece. Small copies of the statue were sold to finance the operation, the copies were 2 grand per each. The were offered to the "Founders," NRA members and the Santa Fe Trail association, then the public.

I guess interest was not what was planned/hoped...

Sharon

(Wife & I are both Founders)

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Monday, April 7, 2008, at 02:49:37 (ZULU)

Larry,

Understood. Lets just call it my tribute ;)

Here's the plaque that explains the monument.

(click)

Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Monday, April 7, 2008, at 03:25:03 (ZULU)

Long week and another is about to begin. Screwed up my old back Friday and spent the weekend hobbling around with the wife upset that I wasn't "doing something". :)

Charles - Not using one experience on the warning but quite a few and the stories of others that have come back. As you have stated, you have had some as well. I help vett alot of the guys that claim Special Operations , Special Forces, and or sniper. You would not believe the number of guys that have claimed high speed backgrounds, and are now, or were, in high positions making decisions over which they had little or no experience. Add to that, they were getting guys fired that actually did have the experience and were trying to get the s**t straightened out. I realize not all are bad, not what I am saying, just watch and doubt until they prove them selves. If they are real, they will not mind proving themselves. The BS artists are the ones that will claim that they do not have to prove themselves to anyone and then storm off. That is a major red flag.

Lito - Keep on driving on brother, get them good before they screw someone else like that.

You guys and your flavor of the month bullets. :)

Darren - Good summary of what is actually wrong with the US today. It was never intended for the US to have professional politicians. Ben Franklin had seen what mischief they could bring while living in England as the representative of several of the colonies. Many of Tory felt that it was the politicians in the House of Lords that were causing the problems and if only the King knew it would be different. Him, were they the beginning of the liberal movement of blind leading the unseeing? :)

Oh well time to quit and head for bed, 0530 will come early in the morning to this old fart.

Hold hard guys and Stay Safe Charles!!

Rick

Rick B.
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Monday, April 7, 2008, at 03:48:48 (ZULU)

Rick, I agree wholeheartedly with you. We have a few of those, as well. I went through training with one, I think he's actually incapable of separating fact from fantasy. Fortunately, the guys on my team are the real deal. Cop-heavy, if you will. I developed a fairly good set of BS feelers about 5-6 years into my police career. They twitch a lot, lately. Mostly when I'm talking to the corpaorate weenies. Like, why do they have the money to send me to the range to "qualify" four times on the M240, 249 and M4, but not enough to get me an ACOG for nighttime. Or, why can't I just get my own sent over? Blah blah, blah blah blah blah. Or, why can't we use Bearcats to go to the range, instead of up-armored Suburbans that have the armored glass duct taped in? Yeah, that's right.

So, you can see, I'm not seeing things through the oft-named rose colored glasses. But, it still beats answering bullshit family-disturbance calls.....

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Monday, April 7, 2008, at 05:31:13 (ZULU)

155 Scenars. Not hard to beat 175SMK performance with these. BC is same between two and out of mag length weapon I get 2900 fps with no signs of high pressure. Use H4895 for this bullet in mag length. Varget is too slow for mag length. Rick I think this should be 7.62 sniper round for military use. I did some testing for Black Hills and they are considering loading it.

This is bullet I shoot in F TR Class past 600 yards.

Paul, I actually used that article in a class I taught this week on rpecision shooting. Never seen a better explanation than what you provided. I hope you dont mind?

Mike/Undude

Mike Milelr
Ca, - Monday, April 7, 2008, at 14:56:29 (ZULU)

One more voice suggesting the 155 scenar is worth a look. I load them up with RL15 based on a conversation some years back involving George Gardner and Lito. My partner shot his 24" .308 (1:11 twist)at last year's Allegheny match and was using my dope for wind and drop. I shoot a .260 and he was right with me.

medicjim
Monday, April 7, 2008, at 15:13:52 (ZULU)

The 155 scenar is no doubt a great choice--in a bolt or a tuned AR10-style platform...

But the question was whether it is a good choice for a M14/ M1A platform.

From what I've heard, it is not. Bravo would be able to tell us why, once he pops up from defilade.

Joe M
Monday, April 7, 2008, at 19:18:31 (ZULU)

Howdy Gents,

Charles: I hear you brother. I have been fighting with my Company for 7 Mo. now trying to get 3 ACOGs for my platoon. As of right now, I alone have more dismounted time than the other three platoons put together. However since my guys drive the heavy mnachinery, and always have an escourt, we are suppoed to just "Take Cover, and let the line Platoons do the shooting." Aint that a crock of $#!*!! Too bad that I went to the range with out "SDMs" shooting their M14s. Thier groups at 500 were were 15" at best. I will give it to them, they still have the cheap plastic stocks (I'm trying to talk my CO into buying Sage or Troy stocks for them).

Steve: Good God man!! Has it been 5 years? We'll deff have to get the old stcks out, poke holes in paper, and toss back some suds! I'll hit you up here when I have a more deff answer on leave times.

All: Anyone have suggestions on optics for me? I currently have a Trijicon Reflex sight on my M4. It will not hold a zero for more than 2 rounds. this is my personal optic. I need something with a zoom capability preferably 3x-4x and won't break the bank. ACOGs are ok, but after my Reflex sight, I'm leaning away from them. Please can anyone help? I need one at a decent price quickly. We are getting ready to move again, and this time again it is to a not so nice area, and I'll be dismounted 90% of the time I'm outside the wire. Thanks for yall info and support.

Mayhem

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends" John 15:13

Mayhem
Monday, April 7, 2008, at 19:32:57 (ZULU)

Mayhem: All kinds of possibilities; you could try a GG&G (ok) or Larue tact. mount for your reflex--that'll likely solve the wandering zero. Aimpoints in the stock mounts have the same issues. The aimpoint, OTOH, has a 3x optic that mounts behind it. The plus is it extends your ranges somewhat; the downside is it crowds out a buis on the rail (mounting forward of the receiver is unsatisfactory unless you have a solid free-float, which we did not with our two piece rails). I had the same problem mounting myPVS14 behind my eotech anyways; and I found it OK as long as i was diligent each morning in re-mounting my BUIS (usually using the irons and the dot to re-zero). As for a variable--I had no use for one on my carbine. I cheated, i carried a 20" upper that I slapped together in a spare parts bin with a acog on it. FWIW, I rid myself of my acog--it is a tank, and useful for short-cutting marksmanship from novices, but the lack of eye relief, and the paralax, made it a hated "cool looking" POS for me. try this: get behind an acog and orient on a distant target...then move your eye slightly around the center. You'll see the reticle jump around that target by huge swings; meaning if yer in ahurry and your cheekweld isn't wht you'd prefr, you'll likely miss a mid-range shot. Still, they are easy to come by over there if you know where to look. If I were to stick to a 14.5" upper alone, I'd probably go with a 2MOA aimpoint with the 3x magnifier on standby. And, ya know what, I'd try mounting my buis AHEAD of all that, and use that as a "scout style" emergency back up (never did need it, probably cuz i had it). If I could make that work half-assed, that sure would free up space for the PVS and the magnifier, eh?

I'm gonna try that after i get back from DC. Why in the hell am i wedded to an emergency sight sitting where other more useful things could go??? It is, after all, a last resort just ahead of inserting barrel into terrs' mouth...

If'n yer hellbent on a variable--try one of those muellers with the red dot center in the cross hairs. I say this because i mounted on on a 300 WM for someone, and it held up well so far---AND it is cheap. The bonus is that it does reflex stuff far better than that binder aiming concept crap of the acog. If yer out-of-pocket like i was, then beating this to death won't hurt your wallet. If you have money, might I recommend the S&B straight tube? Heheh.

WY6...retirement rocks only if you get there!

Joe M
Monday, April 7, 2008, at 21:11:40 (ZULU)

Life gets more interestinger and interestinger.

I picked up the forms and papers today to file a law suit against my first lawyer... I'm gonna ask for $1.3 Million dollars. (I'll take what I can get).

HA!

See what a little success in court does - it creates a monster :)))

Double HA!! (as Original Pat would say!!)

---

jc...

You got a thing for hair dressers???

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, April 7, 2008, at 23:08:31 (ZULU)

'lito,

"jc...

You got a thing for hair dressers???"

Sure, as long as they're FEMALE hair dressers.

Why? You lookin' for somebody to give you some pointers? ;-))

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Tuesday, April 8, 2008, at 05:53:13 (ZULU)

Naw...

It's just that most guys don't think of hairdressers when the conversation is about women.

Just wondered what Sigmund Freud would think about that?

Hmmmmmmmmmm?

Or maybe you have some issues with my Rat???

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, April 8, 2008, at 06:17:29 (ZULU)

Thanks Joe,

The problem with my reflex sight is not the mount. It is the finger that holds the notched knob for windage adjustment. For some reasoon all of a sudden it doesn't want to hold.

I have tried that moving your eye around in a ACOG, and know exactly what you are talking about.

I have purchased a VLTOR freefloat hadguard for my weapon, so I do have the one piece rail on top. I have looked at the Aimpoint, just never been fond of their dots. They always seem distorted, more oblong that true dots. I figured with magnification, they would be worse.

The reason that I'm looking for a variable or fixed power is being dismounted in the open like I am, buildings and LNs are usually 200-300m away. I want to be able to see what is going on, on roof tops. I know that is what they make Binos for, but Everyone knows that Binos and a radio = Target!! I don't like to stand out that much.

Was thinking about the Millett DMS, but don't know if it will hold up to the abuse that our weapons see. We don't get to carry them around in drag bags, and have to carry them everywhere. For some odd reason, Dump Trucks and dozers don't like to play nice with weapons.

Thanks again for the help! I will take any advice that yall have.

Thanks,

Mayhem

Mayhem
Tuesday, April 8, 2008, at 06:25:32 (ZULU)

On the Reflex, I messed with one about ten eyars ago and found when you got them wet (Rain fog etc) the aiming dot got weird. Even found I would sometimes get a double aiming image. Not sure if this is something to do with my eyes or the unit. I do know I dont get htis with an Aimpoint

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller
Ca, - Tuesday, April 8, 2008, at 15:27:38 (ZULU)

Oblong dots: Time to clean the CLP off the lenses:)) I had that too, at times. On the older aimpoints, our soldiers "etched" the glass by rubbing sand grit in circular patterns. That added weird distortions (subtle) to the dot as well. Ask a soldier what he has on him: Compressed air? or a rag? Yeah, taking care of something starts with knowing how. In 2003, most soldiers (remember, only our RDF-tagged units saw these before this war)---met up with reflex sights for the first time in the staging areas of Kuwait at the RFI stations. You can bet that training on many other things crowded out basic maintenance on the new gear. I would hope it got better over time, but i would not bet on that. Once a habit begins, it takes a conscious effort (like an army wide awareness program, which I have yet to see) to make changes.

FWIW, my aimpoint has a nice round dot that is too big at 4 MOA---unless i over-bright the setting--which also will distort it. As with my more favored eotech, it is a "settings game" of adjusting for the conditions to maintain the best all around sight picture. The new ones have DOT-size options--which is a good thing. a smaller one might be the ticket.

The Mueller unit is kind of a neat scope, and will set you back a c-note or less. On low mag (2x), with the dot illuminated--it does an adequate job of reflex targeting. On 7x, you can extend your range. The glass is 'adequate" and would be fine in a sunny environment. The one I played with sits on an old friend's BLR 300WM---and has held up to the recoil. As with anything precision--you still need to try to treat it good.

Last: That mentality of "you have security to protect you" is a typical REMF concept. There is nothing more dangerous a leader can say to his own troops, IMHO. When the shit hits the fan, that security force first thought is that of self preservation. If that helps the "secured troops" then all is well--but, you just never know. It isn't hard to imagine the security force on the left side of your dumps, and the bad guys on the right side--with you in the catbird seat in middle. Every soldier outside the wire is a rifleman first and foremost. It is wise to blow that idea right off and to train up your boys...too bad the headshed coffee wasters don't get it. But then, they are a only "theorizing' in the first place. You are expected to test their ideas. BS; and i am glad you ignore them:))

Joe M
Tuesday, April 8, 2008, at 18:19:18 (ZULU)

Gents: Myrants on the economy and the dire predictions i made may have sounded "tin hat" worthy; but I am amazed at how fast things are moving down this very path. I suggested that you all should read market news (try to stay awake) to verify my take on things.

The newest crisis: Food. Chow. Grub. It is getting tight on the market. As with everything else in economics, it isn't any one problem--it is a whole host of seemingly unrelated things that screw things up. |The dollar isn't being crushed by the fed's actions (the fed is helping, but slightly)--it is congress's spending of dollars on give-aways (no product to prop up the GDP is money wasted essentially--or, in this case, all US money made more worthless abroad). On the food side, it started with "green, renewable energy subsidies" that made cash crops out of maize. Here in dairyland, hay was plowed under for corn (hay prices are outta control, thankfully I grow my own). With less feed for cows, dairy operations dependant on outsourced haybales are making hamburger (a temporary drop in beef prices is underway due to the slaughter)--and once the cows are gone, they switched to--yep, corn. |Me, I'm buying feeder calfs. In a few years when I hit market, I shall clean house. Meantime, wheat suffers the same fate: Everyone wants a piece of the action (ethanol|) and will see those prices come down due to the flood of participants. Going the opposite way made sense to me. But--the shortage of grain on the worldwide market is causing a jump in prices that is already causing social unrest around the preiphery. Wow--hell in a handbasket and moving faster than imagined:))

Here's a thought: Lets form "F-PEC" to counter OPEC; a food producing nations' cartel that dictates to the oil countries: "eat crude, or take a bushel per barrel" Heheh. Barter, BTW, is where we are heading.

Flour in storage is not a bad idea. Unless you have a farm, heheh.

6bn people on this planet is sustainable ONLY thru modern tech and cheap energy. Take diesel off the farm for draft animals, and say bye-bye to at least 4 of every 6 people walking. Ya think this will be a fun transition? |Any volunteers to un-ass the planet? Line forms to the left...

This mortgage bailout in congress may slow the slide initially--but the near term downside will be like gas on fire (in the form of deficit spending that spirals out of control as performing, but tight, loans suddenly default too for a free handout). Hell, anyone care to make my next mortgage payment??? I thought not...but if nanny-fed would, how many will take them up on it??? exactly..

The food crash is starting in asia (where it hurts the most), and the credit crunch is seeded all over the developed markets. We have a set of circumstances unlike the models of the past--and we are using the past as a guide for each micro-economic issue--with no clear eye on the whole. Attempting to solve symptoms is useless; only reigning in government spending will fix it---but that is the last thing that we will do (and then only because no money will be available from us taxpayers). Instead, every proposal from the fed and congress involves printing money we do not have (and cannot sell as debt anymore, either).

As I see it, there are two kinds of people: Those who need, and those who can. I do not like that math at all. Needy fucks outnumber us. I'll go 19th century if i have to--and do just fine for me and mine alone--but others may want what i have right now with no regard for tomorrow at some point too.

Christ...i DO have a tin hat...

Joe M
Tuesday, April 8, 2008, at 19:31:07 (ZULU)

OK, so I popped up ;-)

On the Scenars, I started to say "it can't be done", but then rethought making such a statement. In a '14, I'm not sure if it can be done or not, just that I haven't been able to do so. At least not yet, and how I would prefer.

When it came to the M14, my favorite lightweight bullet powder was N135. That's not a good powder to use with the 155s if you're trying for 2900+ fps, but it's great for trying to mimic M80 and such essentially. I buy the 150 Hornady SST bullets, but I don't try to get 'em to 2900 fps. Likewise, Varget wasn't ideal either, keeping a 2.900 COAL (I run mine to 2.920" COAL, which is 'pushing it') gets to a packed condition QED. Same problem I had with the 178 AMAXes.

Did I try H4895? Nope. For a long time, H4895 was in my opinion tied for best lightweight bullet powder. I liked it every bit as much as N135. I tried N135 behind 175 SMKs, and the N135 was just too fast to give me the standard 2685 fps without problems. H4895, being just a TOUCH slower, was what I chose for last years BadLands course. My mistake, I won't do that again.

We were all discussing loads and such out there, I indicated that this year I decided to give a serious try to H4895 in a mimic of M118LR - and mentioned that in my experience H4895 was almost as temperature stable as Varget. Bobby just said "not out here it's not" - and he was right. I don't see myself changing from Varget to anything else, although I will admit thought has been given to trying Geoff Corn's load, using N140. As far as I'm concerned, the 'high energy' (a.k.a. higher nitroglycerine content powders) stuff is for the birds. For me, I want nothing to do with ball powders - and nothing to do with IMR powders either.

The thing is, the Scenars need more muzzle velocity than the 175SMK to stay competitive on wind calls at range. Sure, if you can bump the Scenars up 200 fps faster, then I can see it, the Scenar would be a better load - I just haven't been able to. At least not yet. The last time I went to get Lapua bullets, they were just 'gone'. None in stock, and questionable when they'd come in. That sated my thirst for comprehension.

For what it's worth, I got my big powder order in not long ago. I maxed out the UPS shipping weight limit with kegs of Varget. All the same lot number. That statement is worth something in my opinion - I'm not moving off of Varget any time soon.

As far as optics go, I stuck an Aimpoint M3 on the XCR-L, using a LaRue mount (Thanks Master Rick!). I personally prefer the 2 MOA dot to the 4 MOA dot. 400+ yard shots with that rig is cake, and I'm no slower with the 2MOA dot than I was the 4. That's just me though, and the way my eyes work. When I try to run an EoTech fast, the 1 MOA dot is a touch small for me, and I can't seem to focus on the circle instead of the dot - again, it's ME. For a carbine though, I'd have a difficult time not using one or the other.

Now for a rifle, whatever you do, don't listen to our resident money-maker BKS. He'll cost you money. Not that he's wrong, but being right costs dough.

Bravo
Tuesday, April 8, 2008, at 20:17:30 (ZULU)

Joe M.

I know that there are a few, myself included, whom would volunteer to man the perimeter security shifts. What would you like us to bring to the party? Dare I say this, in Wolverine'ish intent?

Things are getting interestinger, that's for sure.

Sean T.
Winnipeg,, Manitoba, Canada - Tuesday, April 8, 2008, at 21:27:23 (ZULU)

...and that last sound we heard was our Bravo ducking back under his rock for another month or so:))

I've had to inspect my M21 oprod after excellent (boltgun) handloads using light bullets ...no damage, but the recoil was different enough to make that first shot the last. I imagined the scenars would be along those lines in this platform. I have set factory loads--FGM 168s, BH's 168s, and winny white box 147s for plinking. I may try the 175 load w/ varget one day--but my twist rate is less than Bravos IIRC. The platform, IMHO, is engineered too narrowly for experimentation beyond the proven loads.

Joe M
Tuesday, April 8, 2008, at 21:33:20 (ZULU)

Sean, I can't speak for the lord of the manor, but you're good to relieve me about 2200 ;-)

Patron Joe and I talk about such things as the economic indicators. In all honesty, if we don't see some really major problems within 12 months I'd be surprised.

Yesterday I read a quick little quip in one of the news magazines about how the FDIC is wanting to hire more people. The article information, coming from the FDIC, indicated that with the recent large bank closures (failures) - and concerns over future bank runs - the FDIC felt it best to have staffing up to the upcoming task. Normally that wouldn't set off any real red flags, right? Wrong. Hiring a person or twelve isn't that big of a deal - hiring 75% more people? That's big. Yeah, as in for every 4 people working there, they want to hire 3 more. Now. I'd say that's big.

Now you folks know me, and you know that I've had tinfoil under my aluminum foil beanie for quite some time. No question. Part of the reason why is I like the pick-me-up the galvanic action gives my scalp when it rains, but mostly it's 'cause I've lived through what I have. Remember Y2K? I loaded up 20 or 40 more gallons of water and a few more mags - that was my entire 'preparation'. I saw it coming, did research, and found it to be a paper tiger. The only reason I did even that was 'cause I was more concerned with 'stupid people problems' than problems actually caused by Y2K.

What I see coming now isn't a paper tiger. As your friend, I emplore you - get your houses in order now. If nothing else, do your own research, and be completely objective in what you learn. Just because things are the way they are now - and have been for our short lives (anyone born post-WWII is 'short' lived in the grand scheme of things) - doesn't mean that they HAVE to be that way, or can't change RAPIDLY.

One last thing - I love this place. I don't know how to reset my password, so I have to look for it on the rare times I feel compelled to post. But I'm most always here. Not long ago I got to thinking about how long I've been on here....... it's a long time. I started lurking this site before I moved here, and I've been here just over 10 years now. Lots of good folk come, and unfortunately, go. This place is unique in more ways that one. Great folks here, and I'm proud to count myself among y'all.

Kittywhacker and Sarge - gonna go for General tomorrow evening. Should be entertaining.

Bravo
Tuesday, April 8, 2008, at 23:02:36 (ZULU)

Bravo...

>"Kittywhacker and Sarge - gonna go for General tomorrow evening. Should be entertaining."<

Good luck!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Tuesday, April 8, 2008, at 23:18:56 (ZULU)

44.0 grains H4895 in Military new brass

2900-2915 fps in M40A3 Groups sub .33 moa

2800-2825 in M14 groups sub .50 moa

2895-2910 in M24 groups sub .60 moa

These are my results and where max loads in my rifles. Its all about correct powder for the bullet you shoot.

All the loads will beat any factory 175 grain load on planet

The Scenars are a better bullet for long rnage than the 175 SMK. Dont beleive watch us shoot F TR with them. Winners are either 155 Scenars, 155 Bergers or 155 SMKs in every major event I have been at.

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller
Ca, - Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 00:57:15 (ZULU)

Ref: Extreme Long Range

I just finished up an Extreme Long Range Rifle course at Gunsite. It was a great three days! I used my .338LM and am very pleased with the performance of my system. If you've never been to Gunsite I'd recommend it. Cory Trap was our instructor and he did a great job. The weather was nearly perfect with clear skys and temperatures in the '70s.

I learned a bunch to include; I don't want a .50BMG (too loud, too heavy, too much dust and too much recoil)

Kevin R. Mussack (Andys' Dad)
Phoenix, AZ, USA - Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 01:17:05 (ZULU)

'lito,

"It's just that most guys don't think of hairdressers when the conversation is about women.

Just wondered what Sigmund Freud would think about that?

Hmmmmmmmmmm?

Or maybe you have some issues with my Rat???"

It was just a joke. I'd try and explain it to you, but I don't think it would do any good.

Get over yourself.

jc - Out

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 05:45:50 (ZULU)

jc: I have a good friend who liked to say "...as long as he doesn't turn out to be a poet or artist someday" about his godson; aka "my boy." That was kinda funny in that he was helping to steer him clear of that. Jokes are funnier when I am the punchline. I tend to wanna punch the perp when my kids are the punchline. Its just me, and about 99.9% of other fathers. This is not about me or any other father getting over himself at all---it is about that protective instinct we have for our children. And a man who fought the way Lito fought for his---well, expect that kind of response in spades. It is nowhere near about him in this.

My useless advice would be to man up and apologize. Your fueling the fire over an insulting attempt at humor is not what I would've expected from you. I really think you are better than that.

Joe M
Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 06:49:48 (ZULU)

Howdy,

Has anyone tried out a C-more sight? I was thinking of getting one and coupling it with an Aimpoint or Halo magnifyer. Don't know if the glass would line up. Is the sight stout enough to withstand normal grunt abuse?

my Co told one of my fellow PLs that he wanted him to come up with an Operational Need Statement for a night vision scope that would allow his "snipers" (read can hit a man sized target on a 500m range using an M14) to make 600-800m shots at night. Yall got any recomendations? LOL!

Thanks for the help guys

Mayhem

Mayhem
Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 07:59:24 (ZULU)

On economic projections:

In the book "The Wisdom of Crowds", James Surowiecki examines the surprising ability of markets to make predictions. (Click). In addition to the commodities markets, there are markets that deal with other types of predictions. I'll post links.

CDC'
Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 10:45:09 (ZULU)

Click for a link to "Intrade".

CDC'
Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 10:46:56 (ZULU)

This link is "Tradesports".

CDC'
Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 10:49:27 (ZULU)

The last one (click) is "Iowa Electronic Market".

There are two ways to use these markets: If you have knowledge about an upcoming event that is not generally available, use that knowledge to make a profit. Or you can use these markets to check the odds about an upcoming event.

If you have knowledge about a coming scarcity or surplus of a commodity, you can use that knowledge to make big $$ in the commodities markets.

Goddamn insomnia.

CDC'
Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 11:00:13 (ZULU)

Mayhem: An easy question! The Raptor 4x will get you there, the 6x will get you well past those ranges. This is a intensifier scope; there are a slew of thermals that are almost as good. I can't recall the name, but if you google "NVEC or Night Vision Equipment Company" you'll find a few websites as well as the fact that some new company now owns them--and their product line is state-of-the-art. They had two thermal scope units as well as the two raptors.

FWIW, the raptor was impressive as hell (both the 4x and the 6x models)---that from a guy who flew with ANVIS-9s!

The raptors have an integral ARMS rail mount too. The 6x power reticle is MILDOT (4x is duplex).

Joe M
Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 13:43:20 (ZULU)

Mayhem:

The M14 won't do well. But a good bolt gun, like the M24 or the Mark 13 Mod 0/2/5 with an AN/PVS-22 or AN/PVS-26 UNS mounted on a McCann rail in front of an 3.5-10X40 or better scope (a Schmidt and Bender 4-16X44 would be better), and a PEQ-2 using the narrow beam - not the flood - to illuminate the target will get you to 600-700 yards easily, and on smaller targets than man-size. That's based on experience, not a guess. Of course, that assumes proficiency and training.

Lindy
On The Road, U.S.A. - Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 13:54:39 (ZULU)

jc...

>"It was just a joke. I'd try and explain it to you, but I don't think it would do any good.

Get over yourself.

jc - Out"<

Jeez, jc, what I said "was just a joke" so get over your own Goddamned self, asshole.

But that's not what this is really about, and you fuckin well know it. You've been takin' cheap shots at me for a few years, and I didn't give a shit, but when you drag my son into it, you have crossed the friggin line - asshole.

So since you wanna get nasty in public, the public should know what this is really about.

Here's the truth of it.

About two years ago, I had a Remington "Police Folding Stock" w/pistol grip - it was the top folder where the stock came up and lied flat on top of the barrel - it was marked "For Police sale only", and they were pretty hard to get when they were made - and when Clinton's "assault" ban went into effect, Rem stopped making them, cuz it was easy to add one to a standard shotgun and make it a federal violation.

So I had this puppy for a long time, just collecting dust. I got it from a cop, and they were illegal in my state, so I decided to sell it.

"jc" wrote me and said how he had the hots for one "since forever", and I told him that it was in 98% condition (it WAS), I gave him a website where he could see a picture of it and know that it was the one he had the hots for, and I gave him the price - I think it was a buck thirty five, which was cheap for what it was.

So he bought it, and when he gets it, he send me this whimpy whiny e-mail, and says:

"... I got the stock today and it doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy all over, so here's what I want to do - I want to return it to you and get my money back."

What the fuck is "Warm and fuzzy" about a black folding police stock??? They kill people!

If I knew that he wanted "Warm and fuzzy all over", I would have suggested that he spend the money on a hooker!

So (biting my tongue, cuz I hate whimps, whiners, and slime balls), I tell him that I didn't sell it on an inspection basis - I sold it outright... it was what I said it was, and in the condition I described, so he "owned it", and was free to do what ever he wanted to do with it, including selling it to someone else, but I wasn't taking it back.

Well, he sent me some ugly e-mails, and made some nasty posts on the roster, and has taken cheap shots at me on the roster ever since.

I never said anything about it or called him on it, because it was penny baby shit, and I didn't much give a shit, cuz he's just a little whiner.

but taking shots at my son crosses the fucking line - big time.

So, jc, get over your own whimpy, whining useless scum sucking self.

And that's the way it is....

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 15:52:30 (ZULU)

Mayhem - You will have trouble with the M14 at those ranges day or night as the weapon can become fragile and it will not hold its zero well under alot of circumstances. It is also not the most accurate of weapon systems as you have it in your unit. Too make it more accurate is to make it even more fragile. One of the big issues hitting at long range at night is reading the wind. If you can't read the wind the scope will do you no good. Lindy has the right answer, I just don't like the McCAnn or the Remington base due to the rail acting as a torque bar and it will change the weapon's zero. This is due to the pressure on the front of the bar being transferred and magnified by the leverage onto the four itty bitty screws holding the base onto the weapon receiver. We have had that problem since day one. The students can engage targets to 800 meters with the 24 and our set up, with a simple transition from day to night. If they can hit it during the day they can hit it at night.

I am afraid that your commander is asking a bit much with what you have and what you can get. If you ar enot presently authorized the M24, then you should start getting some within the next couple of years as the weapons are traded out with the M110 debacle. I would look at the LaRue method of mounting the 22 or 26 as the mounting bar can be removed and it does not raise the head that high off the weapon. One word of advice, if you go the M14 with something like the Raptor, which is a fine scope you just have to remove your day optic which asking Murphy to be Murphy, then use your non shooting eye to aim instead of building up you stock so high it is useless during the day. This gives the added advantage of not having your dominate eye go night blind after looking through the NVD.

Joe M. - If anything is made by ARMs I stay away. :)

Kevin M. - I would take a .338 over a .50 anyday of the week. How goes life?

Mike M. - Dam that is a alot of Ms. :) You should know that the military is slow as molassas when it comes to changing bullets and going up in weight is prefered to going down in weight.

Dam 'Lito! Blood Pressure Bro!!! Watch your ticker, you got a youngen under wing now.

Hold Hard guys and stay safe.

Rick

Rick B.
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 16:26:48 (ZULU)

Dang, don't mess with Lito, if he can beat the government red tape bull crap he can beat you (you being anyone). I am in awe of the man as I tip my hat off to him.

Darrren
East Bay, CA, USA - Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 16:31:34 (ZULU)

re: night vision

local vendor handles recent thermal NV products by Elcan - Armament Technology.

http://www.armament.com/thermal_weapon_sights.htm

The ELCAN SpecterIR series is a revolutionary breakthrough in the world of affordable Thermal Weapon Sights for small arms, featuring significant reduction in size, weight and cost.

Utilizing uncooled microbolometer technology, the Specter series of thermal devices are completely passive infared weapon sighting systems which allow users to identify the heat signatures of individuals or objects; day or night and in rain, fog and smoke.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 16:44:31 (ZULU)

Thermal imagery country!

OK, so someone explain this to me.... and don't ask me how I know this.

If a fellow is sitting in his truck on a cold evening, watching out the window - then chooses to 'look at' a 'warm object' with his thermal, all he sees is the black (cold) of the glass. It wasn't just that one side either, black on all the glass all the way around.

(That part made sense to 'the fellow')

But then when it was mentioned that mirrors reflected heat signatures, said fellow had to go and try it himself. He put a candle beside the bath tub, and looked at it (behind him a few feet at about 160 degrees) with the thermal via the bathroom mirror - and saw the reflection of the flame big and bright!

So what is it about glass - does it always reflect but not transmit? If glass always reflected, wouldn't he have seen his own signature when trying to look through the truck window (which didn't happen)?

JC - I'd take Patron Joe's advice. I asked about what started your passive-agressive comments a LONG time ago. They were, and are, obvious. I've been told to "not take myself so seriously" and "get over myself" too - both times were from someone with a passive-agressive attitude towards expressing old animosity. I'd recommend - as Joe said - manning up. One way or the other. Passive-agressive is little girl games.

Andy's Dad, glad to know Cory is still doing well, and teaching that course still! Great guy there, and glad you had a blast.

Patron Mike, did the extra 100 to 140 fps with the Scenar versus the 175 SMK make enough difference "out there" to warrant a change-over? I don't have data on hand, but your 2800 fps sounded real close for my attempts too.... I figured since I was pushing the 175 at 2685 fps, that little bit of extra velocity wouldn't have made it worth changing. I'm more than willing to learn though. For someone pushing the Scenar at 2900+ fps, I could certainly see it being a real winner.

Master Rick insults both my beloved '14 and my 50 all in one post! You know what though, I'm just DANGED GLAD you're posting here again. Really. Just to fuel the fire, I've thought mighty hard about trading off the AR50 for an AR338, and believe it or not I've rigorously cleaned and heavily oiled the '14, to be put into deep storage awaiting the day my boy will be big enough to shoulder her. I found out the hard way that my eyes 'fuzz out' a camoflaged target past 300 to 400 too much. High contrast targets are still QED, but until I can talk the zombies into wearing prison jumpsuits, I'm making the equipment conform to the capabilities of my eyes instead of vice versa. Funny thing, same course of fire gives me high into the expert rating scores on high-contrast targets, but just below expert on camo'ed targets - 95% of the difference being past 300. BAH.

Patron Kittywhacker - got the news today that I had to provide 2 forms of ID for the test. For me, that's cake. How does one provide ID for an 11 year old kid? I'm gonna bring his birth certificate (no pic) and his membership card in The Nation (no pic) and see where it goes. Kids his age don't have picture IDs. Worse turns to worst, there's a fellow in the club willing to vouch he's my kid.....

Bravo
Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 19:35:13 (ZULU)

Bravo,

Does your kid have a Baptism Certificate? My sister used hers to get her drivers permit when we couldn't find a certified birth certificate. It was pretty ratty but it had the priests name and a seal. The little old lady in tennis shoes (who spent 23 years in the same office) said it was good to go an legal.

If it's and "official" thing, the issuing agency will have a list of accepted documents. Sometimes an affidavit will do.

Trajan

Trajan Aurelius
East Bay, Kalifornya, USA !!! - Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 19:55:37 (ZULU)

Bravo,

Fire Service thermal imagers don't have parings to image intensifiers...combat thermals do. Very interesting comparison.

also...

My daughter has had a valid passport since right after she was born. When we speak next, ask me why.

medicjim
Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 20:20:38 (ZULU)

'lito,

Name calling, distortion of facts, and outright lies, the sure sign of a ..., well, let's not even go there.

You've obviously forgotten the post I made congratulating you on winning your court battle.

And finally, I wonder how you would act if you weren't hiding behind a keyboard. Maybe one day we'll find out. I'm looking forward to that.

jc - finished with this exchange.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 21:34:40 (ZULU)

>"'lito,

Name calling, distortion of facts, and outright lies, the sure sign of a ..., well, let's not even go there.

You've obviously forgotten the post I made congratulating you on winning your court battle.

And finally, I wonder how you would act if you weren't hiding behind a keyboard. Maybe one day we'll find out. I'm looking forward to that.

jc - finished with this exchange."<

---

No distortions - just exactly as it happened.

Yeah, you congratulated me, then you said my son might be a hairdresser. A 16 year old kid is an easy target - especially when he can't defend himself - you're a real class act (behind "your keyboard")....

And I'm not hiding behind a keyboard or anything else - you wanna know where I live, it's Wethersfield Connecticut - come on up some time, and I'll say the same to your face - and more.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, April 9, 2008, at 23:16:41 (ZULU)

Bravo, the 155 Scenar and 175 SMK have same BC so any increase in velocity is an improvement.

Rick, Lapu actually has factory loads with this round but velocity is just over 2800fps. The H4895 is the powder for the mag length stuff and the results where five rounds across chrongrapgh. All loads where hand weighed grain by grain. The trick the 155 Scenar does is have long assed bullet with more open space in tip. It is longer than a 175SMK. It requires a 1x12 or faster twist to work right and thats a reason most Palma shooters dont use it. Now us 308 Tactical and 308 F TR guys love it.

Paul and Jerry, your both good guys, I know both well, and its time to shake hands and move on. This is a stupid net msiunderstanding and if you two where together face to face this would not have happened. Drop the problem and make up.

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller
Ca, - Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 00:41:40 (ZULU)

re: thermal and mirrors

Don't know if this is the detail you were looking for, but keep in mind a "real" mirror works because of a layer of aluminum or silver is reflecting the light, not because there is glass in it. Front-surface mirrors have the reflective layer unprotected by any intervening glass

Really old mirrors don't even have any glass at all, just a really well polished piece of metal.

purpose-fabricated mirrors are also not normally made using automobile glass formulations.

A cursory search suggests that automobile glass is designed to reduce passage of infrared frequencies. (That would reduce greenhouse effects in motor vehicles). If that is indeed the case it would make it difficult to use a thermal (infrared) sight

on the other side of intervening automobile glass due to IR attenuation.

http://www.igacertification.org/mod01/mod01.php

"Certain materials are added to the glass batch to give the glass absorbing properties to fight the harmful affects of ultraviolet and infrared light. Metallic coatings (similar to those mentioned under Heated Glass) can be applied to one of the surfaces that are laminated inside a windshield. This coating reflects the heat out of the vehicle."

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 00:56:12 (ZULU)

Bravo - Yeah, I kinda cringed when I made that post but since I shot the M14 and M21 rather extensively figured you would not take it as a cheap shot. Same with the .50, been shooting different sniper versions since 1985 and kinda got a little bit of background. My eyes are doing the same thing. I am getting to really hate getting old. Body aches, everything thins our but your belly, takes an extra 20 minutes in the morning to get things functioning after a long hot shower and stretching exercises. But heck, it is better than the alternative.

Mike - Some of the arguments are penetration and terminal ballistics at range. I don't have any data so can not support nor dissuade any of those concerns. Since I have been unable to dissuade any stupid decisions lately, I have been wondering about my ability to talk sense into military brass. Will plug on for a bit longer, am eligible to retire in 1 year and 8 months. Will see what happens between now and then. Maybe I will go into steady woodworking making fun yard crafts. :)

Have fun guys and play nice.

Hold Hard and Stay safe!!

Rick

Rick B.
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 01:53:17 (ZULU)

OK, now it's "eye" country...I have a question. I'm scheduled for cataract surgery (my "shooting" eye, of course). I understand that the artifical lense inserted in place of the clouded one is a "fixed focal length", normally "infinity", which I believe is from about 15' on out. Not a real problem with a scope sight, but.... I don't know about "electrodot" sights, and I'm pretty sure it won't work with normal irons...like rifle or handgun....without corrective lenses... I've been told I'll need a "reading" (farsighted" correction to see up close.

There's enough old f**** out there that've had this done or know someone who had this done, so here's the question....

I'm thinking that a corrective lens with "no correction" in the center, a "reading" correction in the lower part, and a "front sight" correction in the upper left corner (right eye) will be necessary.

Anyone out there had experience with this "aging process correction" and if so, can make any recommendations, including an optical lab that can to this sort of gyration with a corrective lense? (my left eye so far is "normal"... albiet a bit nearsighted so my glasses will be really weird.... which is OK so long as I can see the sights and the target?!)

Thanks from the "barely far side of 60".

SteveinButte
Butte, Montaaaana, USA - Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 02:46:32 (ZULU)

Steve-

You are correct that most lens replacement surgeries go with a single power lens that will give you best clarity at a single focus point.

There are some intra ocular lenses on the market right now that are multifocal (that gives some functional distance and near vision)- but I haven't had any patients with them who are shooters, so I can't give you any good data on how precise they are. Shooters tend to be much more picky about exact focus than the rest of the population.

While it may be possible to get glasses lenses like you described ('Lito??) they would most likely be somewhere north of Schmidt and Bender prices. One thought would be to get a "double d" bifocal that has a bifocal on the bottom and one on the top- they only make them with identical focal lengths on top and bottom, so you'd most likely have to pick something between reading length and front sight length. It wouldn't be perfect for either- but just might be good enough.

Another option might be fresnel lenses (they are plastic and stick-on) for either the shooting part or the reading part. These don't have the same optical clarity as a normal ground-in bifocal, but you can put them wherever you want on your glasses lens.

FYI- I'm a practicing eye doc and 'the most feared man in P-cola (TM)'. Just ask any prospective Student Naval Aviator.

Joe M. I finally put that aimpoint on an AR this week. It workee great. Thanks again.

Doc Mac
Cradle of Naval Aviation, FL, - Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 04:22:03 (ZULU)

Doc Mac,

What about a progressive lens with a bifocal section at the top of the lens? Anybody doing anything like that? Is that even possible?

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 05:06:11 (ZULU)

Well, Blue Cross SUCKS! They won't pay for total disc replacement surgery, but they will pay for spinal fusion.

Any of you had your spine fused? How long would I expect to be "down" before I can resume normal activities? (Shooting, messing with horses, etc.) My Dr. is telling me one thing, but I'm hearing other things from family members.

What kinda mobility limitations would I have from having my L1 fused?

I'm just wondering whether I should wait until I can barely walk to have it done, or go ahead and get it done. Any advise appreciated. Being crippled SUCKS!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 07:20:11 (ZULU)

Doc Mac: Huh? Ya know, I've forgotten about the aimpoint...but never mind that--you are home! i may have missed that little bit of news somewhere. Congrats! And, my eyes are sucking worserer these days...

IR reflection: First noted in my bay window while checking thermal leaks about the hacienda. The first cool night of the end of summer hit the high thirties, and the pool was vividly reflected in the pane of glass. No mirrors, and not too much additives in the glass---but a strong IR signature with detail was reflected. At that time, i realized that the sun, in fact, could be reflected off of broken glass in that Waco documentary (Canadian a/c was filming the assault with an IR camera). That one piece of evidence may not be as damning as the producers had stated--but the rest of it sure as hell was.

Bravo: I'm 6 of 8 over 11 days or about 20 hours of my time!

Joe M
Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 07:22:53 (ZULU)

Travis,

My Angel has been living with multible compound compression fractures in L3 and L4,herniated disks from a domestic type altercation for about 4 yrs now.She was thrown into a slide by patio door frame and got the center beam in the back.(No,it wasnt me.Aint the type.)It took the "Experts" 3 months for them to diagnose why she hurt.

She also found out too that she has Degenerative Disk Disease.Her spine is collasping.Last doc we talked to was such a total jackass,We walked out...

I was under the impression we were goin in for a consultation for sugery,He glanced her way and "Your clear to go to Work as soon as I sign your paper so hand it over"....Um,Doc? Dont you normally examine a patient or read their charts first ?...Oh yeah.(Red Flag here)

So he puts the x rays up...does a few grunts and Hmmms..Then has her do the bends and walk tiptoe/heels and as she walks by him,He just nails her in the Siatic(sp?)so hard she drops to her knees...(Big Red flag)

I came off my chair...His explanition was,Sometimes we need to put the patient in pain to find out whats wrong.He was informed if he did it again he was gonna feel real pain.

It was at that point he concluded she needed 4 point stabilization,front and rear of the spine as well as left and right sides.

And she needed to do it ASAP as he was droppin her insurance as he felt they didnt pay him what he felt he was worth.Plus in the same breath he also says "Contrary to what we may have heard he has never crippled,maimed or disfigured anyone"(Big Red Flag and Alarm bells)and her recovery time would be anywhere from 2-3 weeks to a month and a half...

It was at that point I informed him that it was my opinon whatever the insurance company paid him.... was too much.And there was NO WAY he was gonna be the Doc that cuts her. We grabbed her med records and left.

Wether its good or bad she still hasnt had the surgery.That doc visit was 3 years ago.She has her good and bad days.Some days she needs to chew on a Vike,most days a Tramadol and Cyclobenzaprine(Flexorall?)does the trick.

We have been having a hard time findin a doc that will do more than just push pills and talk about fusing her spine.Disc replacement is an option they dont want to talk about in her case.And she doesnt want rods in her body. So its watch what she does,and chew on a painkiller when she overdoes it.

Seriously...Good Luck

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 10:07:51 (ZULU)

UnDude...

The 155 Scenar has a BC that is higher than the 175 SMK, and approaches the 190 SMK, and it is almost as long as the 190 SMK.

It can be shot out of a 12" barrel, but it is marginal and sometimes fails at looong range - it really shines out of a 10" barrel.

SteveinButte...

By the time you have cats (assuming that they are not congenital or traumatic), your eye lenses are already ridged so having close/far focus is a long ago memory. If you are just on the far side of 60, then near/far focus was what - 15 or 20 years ago??

If the implants are done right, your irises will still work, so you will have increased depth of field on bright days... just like you always had.

Electro-dot sights project the dot at infinity, so you will have no problem using them, same with scope sights - the cross hairs are at infinity (if properly adjusted).

For normal iron sights, you will see the irons as a bit fuzzy, but that is the same as it is for everybody - no one can focus on iron sights and a far off target at the same time... but there are pin-hole glasses that even "normal" people use to make the sights and target sharp at the same time - and they will work for you.

As to "bifocal implants - doooon't do it. It is voodoo consumerism at it's worst.

Same with progressive glasses - they are "cute" for people that are vain and don't want to be seen in "yucky bifocals" but by their very design, introduce a LOT of astigmatism, and as Martha says, "... and that's a bad thing!!".

What you want (as a shooter) are bifocals with the top at infinity, and the "line" just below (about 5 to 8 degrees) the straight forward axis. This way, you can aim a pistol looking straight ahead, and slightly rock your head back and instantly see the iron sights. With this type of bifocals, you will be able to use irons better than regular guys without bifocals.

In the Cat eye, you want a "0" correction in the top, and a +1.25 diopter for the bottom, and for the non cat eye, you want the normal correction for the top, and add +1.25 for the bottom.

These will make good shooting glasses, but reading will be a bit of a chore. For "normal" street glasses, you want the upper corrections like above, and the lower to have a +2 diopter (give or take, as is comfortable for reading).

Eye problems... back and spine problems... I've been kicking around the medical world for some 35+ years and my thoughts on it are you take your life in your hands when you go to the doctors - like lawyers, most are just going through the motions these days.

There are some good ones, but the good ones will tell you that most of them are bums.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 12:34:36 (ZULU)

Catshooter wrote "There are some good ones, but the good ones will tell you that most of them are bums."

Ding...shooter on, center mass hit, send another.

medicjim
Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 13:46:55 (ZULU)

DocMac and 'Lito: Just want y'all to know how much I value your advice.... gettin' old sucks but the alternative sucketh moreso!

Don't know if my eye doc is a shooter or not (I suspect not, at least not at the level y'all are), so this'll give me some info to lay on him and/or the lab that does the glasses.

Thanks again,

SteveinButte

SteveinButte
Butte, Montana, USA - Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 14:06:37 (ZULU)

Catman, the BC for the 155 Scenars runs exactly equal to the 175SMK when shot at 1000 yards for me. I quit believing advertised BC's long ago/ LOL

I should have said 1x12 twist for 28-30" bbls but for shorter 20-24 I like a 1x11.27 or faster

Undude/Mike

Mike Miller
Ca, - Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 15:44:33 (ZULU)

Trajan, turns out I didn't need it after all - they took his birth certificate and enrollment card without problem. Not that it did any good, but at least he knows he has to study harder now (GRIN). Unfortunately, I know I need to study harder too. Got the technician with ease, but screwed the pooch by just a touch on the general. The on-line practice tests are NOT identical! Eh, there's always next month.

Jim, I ought to call here soon anyway - it appears there's a very good likelyhood I'm gonna start into your profession in August. What the heck, sleep is over-rated anyway. If I can't get a medic to join the group, guess I'm elected to become one. The down side is that I've got to run 48 hours per month or else they'll boot me off the bam-you-lance. I've got a feeling that's gonna suck.

Patron Mike, I didn't/don't see that any MV improvement would be better always, assuming equal BCs. After all, elevation is a function of MV and BC, but wind drift is a function of mass and time of flight. Or to put it another way, if a 150 and a 190 both have the same BC, and the same MV, the 190 will be blown off course less than the 150. I was just wondering where the 'no loss on wind calls' velocity came in with the Scenar, hanging in the air less time to be blown around less. I'll admit I'm impressed with the bullet - anything that hollow IS impressive! But I figured since I'm better at ranging than I am wind doping, I need all the help I can get in that category. If it weren't for my mag length restriction, I'd seat those puppies out and drive 'em as hard as the oprod would allow. As it is, I just run the 6.5 bullets in a boltgun instead (GRIN). I call the wind much better with them.

But really, I wonder if the FN SPR would be a stick to run those Scenars through - I know Joe's was a 1:12, but what are they now? At the velocities you're running them out of a boltgun, they wouldn't be very far at all behind my 6.5......

Master Rick, I guess the good side is that I could swap the AR50 off for an AR338, and hopefully get enough extra to pay for a big 'ol bunch of components...... but what would I do without APIT? HA! Since you wrote about the "M110 debacle", I can't really claim unjustness (LOL!) You know, the funny thing is, the longer I live and shoot, the more right you are HA! DOUBLE HA! You've been a tremendous help to me, and that's a fact!

Bravo
Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 16:01:12 (ZULU)

•SteveinButte: You can take what Catshooter said to the bank. I had cataract surgery on both eyes last year. I’m on the far side of 70. I use glasses called Progressive, No line multi-focal lens. Progressive lenses allow a greater range a vision from far away to close up and everything in between without the visible lines of bifocals or trifocals. Just a few dollars more than bifocals. I can shoot a scope with or without glasses and little or no difference in group size. I do wear glasses when shooting a pistol and don’t notice the glasses.

On another subject I got this in an email. If you have seen it disregard. http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/08/gingrich/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

HDR
OK, - Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 16:27:40 (ZULU)

Stan good luck I gave you my findings from firing a few bullets. 4500 155 Scenars alone last year. So far 3000 Scenars this year. I am happy. You be happy also. You making it to F TR Nationals this year? This year I have to shoot against Tubb. I will be there and maybe we can discuss this further over beers?

Undude/Mike

Mike Miller
Ca, - Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 18:07:31 (ZULU)

"I am happy. You be happy also."

Now that says it all. Obviously 100+ fps is more than enough! I guess that's what I get for not pushing further when I was playing with 'em. So where do you buy the Scenars at a decent price?

My last order of Lapua brass was what I consider a 'decent' deal - 1500 pieces for 600FRN delivered. My guess is that those days are now gone.

My guess is that I won't be able to get much of anywhere out of state, with the exception of the trip to BobbyWorld. The Appleseed folks hit me up to be an instructor for them, and at first I politely declined. Just can't spend that much time away from home. But they re-offered later, with a "just do what you can" ;-)

Man, I wish I could retire. But I'm good for the beer when we hook up next! Missed you at SHOT......

I gotta crawl back under some cover. I've posted more in the last couple of days than I have the previous year I think.

Bravo
Thursday, April 10, 2008, at 20:49:14 (ZULU)

Mike:

Who loads your ammunition? (That's a lot of time). Neck sizing or full-length?

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, April 11, 2008, at 00:21:04 (ZULU)

This is for Mr. Lito. seems he could us a laugh. Thanks for a great site folks. You have my Greatest respect, Cheers

Toilet Cleaning Instructions:

1. Put both lids of the toilet up and add 1/8 cup of pet shampoo to the water in the bowl.

2. Pick up the cat and soothe him while you carry him towards the bathroom.

3. In one smooth movement, put the cat in the toilet and close both lids. You may need to stand on the lid.

4. The cat will self agitate and make ample suds. Never mind the noises that come from the toilet, the cat is actually enjoying this.

5. Flush the toilet three or four times. This provides a 'power-wash' and rinse '.

6. Have someone open the front door of your home. Be sure that there are no people between the bathroom and the front door.

7. Stand behind the toilet as far as you can, and quickly lift both lids.

8. The cat will rocket out of the toilet, streak through the bathroom, and run outside where it will dry itself off.

9. Both the commode and the cat will be sparkling clean.

Sincerely, The Dog

George Daly
Dickson, Tn., USof A - Friday, April 11, 2008, at 02:14:17 (ZULU)

Mike, just wondering what your load receipt is for the 155 Scenars you shoot. Would you be willing to divulge it?

Darren
East Bay, CA, USA - Friday, April 11, 2008, at 03:21:07 (ZULU)

Unpat,

Yeah, I met a lot of total douchebags in my search for a good back Dr.. Most just want a copay. One asshole expected me to come in for an office visit every time I needed a refill for anti-inflammitories. What a dick.

My Dr. told me that the disc replacement, if I did it out of pocket, would cost me $10,000. I looked in my pocket, and there damn sure wasn't ten grand in there!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, April 11, 2008, at 04:46:23 (ZULU)

I received an email, yesterday, from an old acquaintance that is currently working for Blackwater. He's a doctor, and is the WPPS director in Baghdad. Asking me if there was an opening here in Kabul at Armorgroup. I passed on the request, and you'd have thought I'd announced the discovery of the Holy Grail. Got another one, this morning. AG was on him by the end of the day (that's unheard of in the corporate world), but he turned it down because they were offering a PA position, and he feels it is not "professionally a good idea". What I've learned, and the point I'm making, is that if you are, or know anyone that is a current PA, or a currently licensed EMT (IV, all that), we are woefully short. Just FYI.

Charles S. Hunt
San Antonio, Texas, USA - Friday, April 11, 2008, at 07:48:01 (ZULU)

"My Dr. told me that the disc replacement, if I did it out of pocket, would cost me $10,000. I looked in my pocket, and there damn sure wasn't ten grand in there!"

Here either. When the one doc(differant one) said it wasnt an option for her to have disk replacement...I knew better than to toss a number out there. If it wasnt laughed at...it would have been tripled.Just because they can and they got ya. And throwin out too big a number leaves ya wide open lookin desperate and playin right into their game of how much are ya willing to pay.

Doc also didnt clarify why it wasnt an option...bone deteriation,or skill level or insurance money.Seems like as soon as she gets the MRI's,X Rays,and EMG's done for one doc,he just writes a script for drugs and he passes her off to another...only go thru it all over again.

One good thing,since she lost her Social Security Eligibility hearing we dont need to see so many "Medical Experts" now.It was pretty crazy there for awhile.Crisscrossin town 35 times in 2weeks.Physical Therapy,Acupuncture,Chiropracters...You name it.They wanted her to do it.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Friday, April 11, 2008, at 08:21:51 (ZULU)

I went to one physical therapist that was about as dumb as possible. I weigh about 250, and have lower back and hip problems, as well as crunchy knees. One of my complaints is pain from climbing stairs. Her dumb ass tried to get me to do SQUATS to fix it!

Some women are absolutely worthless with their clothes on!

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Friday, April 11, 2008, at 09:20:39 (ZULU)

George...

Thanks - Ruggus Rattus and I cracked up this morning. He is into "Cat" stuff (I can't imagine where he gets it). He finds all the "Cat things" on Utube and keeps us in stitches.

Shooting Trap instructions...

1 - Load shotgun with appropriate shotshells.

2 - Take clay pigeon thrower and put tuna fish on the end of it.

3 - When Cat gets the tuna...

4 - ... Yell, "PULL!"

---

Trav...

>"Most just want a copay. One asshole expected me to come in for an office visit every time I needed a refill for anti-inflammatories. What a dick."<

I had a Dermatologist like that once - I had a rash on my skin, and he said it was from an allergy to a "normal" skin flora... so he would have me come in every month to "check it", and write me a script for a teeny tiny micro-sized tube of goop... $140 for the visit (not counting the goop)! I was self insured at the time :(.

After some four years of this shit, I started smelling a rat. I think the new Porsche outside the office was the first clue.

I did some research on it and found out that it was not a normal "flora" but a non-normal fungus that he was just keeping at bay with minimum medications to milk the shit out of... I mean, hell, the Porsche had to be paid for, right?

So I got someone at my eye clinic to write me a script for 800 pounds of "goop", and got rid if it in 6 months.

Bastards all!!

---

As to your comment... >"Some women are absolutely worthless with their clothes on!"<

There are a lot of women that are absolutely worthless with their clothes OFF, too!!! Take my word for it - I have married more than my share :(((((

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, April 11, 2008, at 12:01:49 (ZULU)

"While it may be possible to get glasses lenses like you described ('Lito??) they would most likely be somewhere north of Schmidt and Bender prices. One thought would be to get a "double d" bifocal that has a bifocal on the bottom and one on the top- they only make them with identical focal lengths on top and bottom, so you'd most likely have to pick something between reading length and front sight length. It wouldn't be perfect for either- but just might be good enough." Doc Mac

To the contrary, I've got a pair of specs by AO Safety with at +1.5 up top, distance vision in the middle and +2.25 on the bottom. They're called mechanics glasses and there is a limit to how far apart the two different prescriptions can be. I've been getting these for several years now, paid for the first sets myself-not bad at the prices AO charges. The company paid for the most recent set.

WR Moore
Friday, April 11, 2008, at 12:40:08 (ZULU)

WR...

>"with at +1.5 up top, distance vision in the middle and +2.25 on the bottom."<

That sounds like a great "working" combination.

Where did you get them.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, April 11, 2008, at 13:15:24 (ZULU)

WR... re. "mechanic's glasses" at AO Safety. I looked up their website and they don't list anything called "mechanic's glasses"... is there another name, or can you give me their "address" so's I can look it up? I'll have to wait until I "recover" from the procedure to know exactly what corrections will be needed, but the "front sight" and "reading" corrections shouldn't be very far apart.... sounds like what you have is right in the ballpark. (and I also do "mechanic" things...looking "up" at something close with regular bifocals no workee...have to look over the top of the lens.)

Thanks!

SteveinButte
Butte, MT, USA - Friday, April 11, 2008, at 13:53:05 (ZULU)

Charles Hunt wrote "What I've learned, and the point I'm making, is that if you are, or know anyone that is a current PA, or a currently licensed EMT (IV, all that), we are woefully short."

Err... would you email me the details on how to get more info, pay rate, commitment, job detail... I might be able to match the job with some serious hard core medics that know GSW and trauma. The kinda folks you'd want backing you up. Roster mail has been working for me lately. - Thanks.

medicjim
Friday, April 11, 2008, at 15:04:05 (ZULU)

www.aosafety.com is a large optical company specializing in prescription safety glasses for industry. They've got offices in most major (and some flyspeck) cities. My employer springs for new safety glasses each prescription change along with CFR required spares. They will make specs for anyone, finding their offices may take a bit of effort. Try searching "AO Safety", the website or the customer service number: 800-928-2828.

"Mechanics glasses" is the description of the lens grind, not a style of frame. It's what the optician that services our account terms the bifocal top & bottom, distance in the middle lens grind. If you look over the order forms, you'll see a wide variety of possible correction combinations. You will need a recent prescription. There are other safety glasses purveyors out there who can probably do the same thing.

'Lito, kinda wish I'd gone with +1.25 up top, the sights are crystal clear, the targets kinda blurry-more than "kinda" at longer ranges. Fired my last pistol qual without corrective lenses at all. Cleaned the course:)))

WR Moore
Friday, April 11, 2008, at 17:08:57 (ZULU)

Darren, loads are different depending on weapon.

For mag length I usually run around 44.0 H4895

For long throats and long single loaded 2.92-2.95" to just touch lands, I run around 46 grains of Varget

Catman, it was once said that no matter how good looking the single woman is there is always some dude damm glad to be rid of her.

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller
Ca, - Friday, April 11, 2008, at 21:40:46 (ZULU)

UnDudeski...

>"Catman, it was once said that no matter how good looking the single woman is, there is always some dude damn glad to be rid of her."<

You got that right.

I once had a poster to that effect - a real hottie in a "G string" bikini, with a line on the bottom that said something like:

"No matter how much you want her, there some poor guy that wants to get rid of her twice as much!

HA! - ain't that the truth!! Double HA!!

I tried to trade the last wifie for a shotgun and got no takers.

So I tried to sell her...

... started at $15,000, and worked my way down to .25 cents, and I still got no takers.

I can't imagine why. I mean any prospective buyer was getting a real deal by the pound, as she had a LOT more of them than when I first met her.

And she was hardly used at all - I mean she did nothing in the house, never went to work, and she had a headache for 15 years.

She had a good sense of direction... I tried to get rid of her by driving off from a gas station when she went to the little girls room, and she found her way home...

... from Ethiopia!!

I finely had to pay a lawyer to get rid of her - and she was still a pain in the ass for ten more years!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, April 11, 2008, at 21:46:34 (ZULU)

Damn I'm going to have to teach the neighbors 12 year old how to reload for me or something. I'm at the bench almost every week night it seems LOL. It must mean I'm sending alot of lead down range on the weekends so that's a good thing.

On the Kowa scopes that were mentioned recently- I'm getting back into high power again and I'll be forking out some money for one soon. I'm expecting it to be a Kowa anyway only because they are by far the most popular choice from what I see in that sport. I might take a look at that Pentax 'lito mentioned awhile back with the big eyepiece. The Kowa TSN 821M I'm looking at is $650 and the 27X fixed eyepiece is $180 from Creedmoor.

Are any of you guys looking to buy a new Nightforce scope right now? I can get you one for one hundred dollars off of regular internet selling prices. Any model they make shipped right to your door from the factory. One scope one time deal for a gift cert I won at last years Nor Cal match. You can contact me at- marc soulie at yahoo dot com

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Saturday, April 12, 2008, at 00:58:44 (ZULU)

MarcS,

Try Jim Owens at http://www.jarheadtop.com/

He usually has better pricing than most places, and he's a pretty nice guy as well.

jc
Cordova, TN, United States - Saturday, April 12, 2008, at 04:45:37 (ZULU)

'Lito-if it's the poster I remember, the caption is: "Somewhere in the world is some guy who's sick of her shit."

WR Moore
Saturday, April 12, 2008, at 11:44:16 (ZULU)

WR...

Yeah... I think that's the one!

She was one of God's best efforts (anatomically speaking)... but I found out early to avoid women like that.

Something I learned about trophys (women and critters)...

... trophies are expensive to find, and if you find one, they are even more expensive to mount!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, April 12, 2008, at 12:56:27 (ZULU)

Isn't this the way the godzilla movie started?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350870,00.html

Wes, got anything bigger than a .338? <g>

medicjim
Saturday, April 12, 2008, at 14:31:44 (ZULU)

'Lito and Unpat,

As if Dr. copay wasn't enough of a dick, just in general, the bastard was ALWAYS a minimum of one and a half hours late. First thing in the morning, or whenever, I could check in, run across the street to Wendy's, screw a nurse, read 2 magazinesw, shoe a horse, take a nap, ans STILL have to sit and wait!

'Lito,

You Bastard! Why did you turn the one that's useless with the clothes OFF loose again? I married her big ass! I bet you catch and release Gar and Carp, too, ya bastard!

I feel like a Yuppie with a Harley. She's got low miles, I just never feel like riding her.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Sunday, April 13, 2008, at 09:40:53 (ZULU)

Click my name. Someone needs an ass whoopin' over this!

Travis Morgan
Sunday, April 13, 2008, at 09:59:18 (ZULU)

Travis,

You an 'Lito didnt corner the market on the "Naked and Useless" ones...Think every guy has dated at least one.Seems to be as much a right of passage,as your first beer.

Orherwise how would we know when we found a good one.

"I could check in, run across the street to Wendy's, screw a nurse, read 2 magazinesw, shoe a horse, take a nap, ans STILL have to sit and wait!"

You sure do get alot accomplished in an hour and a half...Send the doc a bill for your time,or request a discount to make up the differance.

I would only have time enough for 2 of those things you listed...if one of them was a quick nap.....LOL,but then again I am a slow......reader.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Sunday, April 13, 2008, at 11:31:57 (ZULU)

Trijicon ACOG Sight System Are they worth the the money? I've got a DPMS 308 That i'm needing optics for.

Gary Kaney
N.W., ILL, - Sunday, April 13, 2008, at 12:27:01 (ZULU)

Trav...

I'm glad you have insomnia - I crack up each morning when I read your stuff.

---

UnPat...

What's this "... dating at least one" crap.

I've dated them ALL...

... and I was dumb enough to let the few that were real wind up toys (with their own fur lined handcuffs) get away :(((

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, April 13, 2008, at 15:31:18 (ZULU)

I wrote this on another website, but I thought I'd drag it oveer here for some of you new~ish loaders.

This guy was having problems understand why shoulder bump body dies are really FL size dies without necks.

---

>"OK... trying to sort all the things I know/have heard on the subject. Does mean there is no advantage to using fire formed brass, or does "die that is properly made to work with the chamber in question" mean dies which are tailored to the exact dimensions of a specific chamber? How do competition dies fit this scenario?"<

You are making this far more complicated then it has to be.

So I'm gonna start from the beginning.

Fire formed brass is better than new brass. It fits the chamber within a few thou all over.

It was once believed that brass MUST be fire formed to achieve maximum accuracy - there is still some truth to this, but it has been learned that maybe 95%+ of accuracy comes from the throat, barrel and case.

Absolutely outstanding groups have been shot with new (unfired) brass, so it is arguable that cases must be fire formed for best accuracy (though it does eliminate one more bit of slop).

Now, the fly in the ointment - cases expand when fired, and then contract a few thou, called "spring back". The actual amount depends on the state of anneal, the thickness of the section (body wall or neck).

Also, the action, bolt, and ring also stretch each time the gun is fired, so the case "springs back" a little less each time, until it is a tight fit in the chamber.

With some case designs, they never get tight, and never need bumping the shoulder... and some cases are more susceptible to it, especially when pressures are running in the mid 60's.

At one time in benchrest, this was the most desired state of a case... to keep it a "crush fit" because it meant there was no play at all, but that was back in the days of "The smallest group won".

These days, BR shooters don't stress the absolutely smallest group, it is the "Aggregate" that wins. So you can shoot one smallest group, and a bunch of dogs, and in the past you would have won the gold for the day, now you go home with doodley squat.

BR shooters will judge the wind and mirage conditions, and may fire the whole string in fairly rapid succession, when the condx meet their approval.

To be able to do this, the cases MUST be able to be chambered without any resistance that would break the string of shots, or (God forbid) cause the rifle to be moved in the bags - so an effort to open or close the bolt is not acceptable.

So it works like this - snug cases remove the last bit of slop, but may slow down loading and unloading.

Varmint shooters like snug cases, because when they are snug, case growth is at a minimum... BR shooters like their case to have a few thou around the case for ease of loading and unloading.

Each time you move the shoulder (and reduce the body diameter), by sizing with a FL or "body die", there will be an initial stage of stretch of the case until it gets back into it "happy fit stage"

Now, when/(if) the gets too tight a fit for your use, you have the choice of tossing it in the trash, or using a FL/Body die to start the cycle all over again.

Also keep in mind that NO sizing die will match your case/chamber exactly, so when you think you are just moving the shoulder back a few thou, you are actually moving some of the shoulder back many thou, and you may be reshaping the shoulder/body junction, or the neck/shoulder junction... and all of these parts of the case must go back into place on the next firing.

I have 7 high quality .223 rifles, and the fired cases from them are enough different that I can hold them in my hand and see differences in the shoulders and neck junctions. No die can just bump the shoulders on all of them - that's why a body die brings the case back to minimum dimensions to start all over again.

I hope that this clears some of this stuff up for you.

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, April 13, 2008, at 15:40:19 (ZULU)

on case sizing:

(This doesn't seem to contradict anything 'Lito is saying)

Bart Bobbitt, a very serious and successful past long-range competitor (multiple Palma team member) argues for full-length sizing. However, he does like lapping out the neck of the die to reduce the amount of neck sizing that occurs. This could also be acheived by using a neck-bushing die system and selecting the right bushing dimensions.

http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/308_loads.html

One concept I've seen mentioned occasionally is having a sizing die cut using the same reamer as was used for the chamber. It would have to be heat-treated afterwards. Seems like a neat idea.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, April 13, 2008, at 16:06:18 (ZULU)

rod...

>"One concept I've seen mentioned occasionally is having a sizing die cut using the same reamer as was used for the chamber. It would have to be heat-treated afterwards. Seems like a neat idea."<

The problem with this is that he sizing die MUST BE SMALLER ALL OVER than the chamber, or it won't reduce the case size so it will be smaller than the chamber and go in easily.

If the chamber is 0.5000" and the case is large enough that it won't go back in easily... then you need a die that is 0.4960" to reduce the case below 0.5000".

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, April 13, 2008, at 16:16:22 (ZULU)

Just finsihed up a few days ago teaching the first of several phase one precision rifle, out in California. Went really well and had a great bunch of students.

They club has already booked me for more training so if anyone is in California and wants training let me know.

It will be in three phases, with phase two classes starting late this year and phase three mid next year.

Ohase one will be in Bay Area, Phase Two will most likely be in Central Ca and Phase Three's location is not yet set (Several Possibilities)

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller
Ca, - Sunday, April 13, 2008, at 18:47:30 (ZULU)

Most of my .260 brass has about 4 firings right now and I full length resize (with a redding S bushing die) every time.

My chamber must be huge because it's a bitch of a push down on the press handle and it leaves the brass polished from the rubbing. The neck is only sized down to 2 thou below a loaded round, but there is still a large, expanded ring around the bottom of the neck near the shoulder where the S bushing doesn't reach. Then, obviously, after firing it's all straight and smooth and there are no marks or evidence of this.

I feel a little bit of pressure most of the time when I close the bolt handle. Do I need to worry about this? I assume it's from that short little fat section of the neck but I'm wondering if I should worry about shoulder bumping. I should say the rifle is spooky accurate.

My other rifles that I load for have GA Precision chambers and the dies just barely kiss the brass at the very bottom end of the stroke.

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Sunday, April 13, 2008, at 19:50:04 (ZULU)

Mike you might want to mention your classes on the new nor cal site

http://www.ncpprc.com/forum/phpBB3/index.php

You could probably pick up some guys from the Calguns site too.

Marc

MarcS
East S.F. Bay area, CA, - Sunday, April 13, 2008, at 19:53:17 (ZULU)

'Lito,

On dumping the cute fuck machines- They simply aren't worth the maintenance. The best ones don't act like a whore, and there's never that elephant in the room about whether you'll ever see each other again.

It's like leaving a slot machine after it pays out. You got what you wanted, you buy a round of drinks, then leave. Otherwise, you're gonna be sitting there, pulling your lever and crying.

Travis Morgan
Wichita, Ks., U.S.A. - Monday, April 14, 2008, at 04:54:40 (ZULU)

The other issue with those chambering reamer cut dies is that when you heat treat it, you're gonna see a change in dimensions as it stress relieves itself.

I FL size everything, it's more than accurate enough for what I shoot and I need it to always work without having neck sized ammo from the loose gun get jammed up in the tight guns chamber. S/F....Ken M

Ken M
Monday, April 14, 2008, at 07:41:35 (ZULU)

Trav...

>" On dumping the cute fuck machines- They simply aren't worth the maintenance. The best ones don't act like a whore, and there's never that elephant in the room about whether you'll ever see each other again."<

I wasn't talking about the one nighters, and the bar-room trash.

I was talking about the long term gals. It has been my experence that there are some women that just plain really like sex with the guy they have chosen, and some that don't and fake it until you have gotten committed.

Unfortunately, the latter outnumbers the former by about 10 to 1.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, April 14, 2008, at 13:55:28 (ZULU)

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